00:01 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 8589 points, T:4223, killed by a white unicorn 00:12 -!- machinespray has joined #hardfought 00:13 -!- machinespray has quit [Client Quit] 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] fireinc (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 1039 points, T:3224, killed by a rothe 00:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 833 points, T:908, killed by a gnome 00:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 709 points, T:1027, killed by a giant bat 00:44 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 328 points, T:704, killed by a falling rock 00:57 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 01:07 [hdf-us] [slshm] Maulkrumb (Val Dop Fem Neu), 470 points, T:1454, killed by a little dog 01:10 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 511 points, T:1069, killed by a dwarf zombie 01:29 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3138 points, T:1726, killed by a killer bee 01:30 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 300 points, T:192, killed by a little dog 01:31 -!- Camwin has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:31 -!- Camwin has joined #hardfought 01:34 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 01:34 -!- nooodle_ has joined #hardfought 01:42 -!- nooodle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:42 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:47 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 848 points, T:1576, killed by a jackal 01:49 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 36 points, T:129, killed by a jackal 02:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:06 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 397 points, T:890, killed by a kitten 02:24 -!- nooodle_ has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 02:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:48 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:49228 02:48 Will that ever get you a cursed marker? 02:50 only if you're very unlucky I think 02:50 if you *want* a cursed marker you can wish for it 02:50 (I usually wish explicitly for uncursed markers) 02:57 !pom 02:57 raisse: The moon is new for 1 more day. 03:08 mm 03:12 -!- remirol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:12 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 03:14 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] Deftinw0lf (Val Hum Fem Law), 133 points, T:728, killed by a small mimic 03:28 K2: I don't see the save.c/restore.c code for the shambling horror... what happens if you spawn one in wizmode and then save and load, will it retain its stats? 03:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] Deftinw0lf (Val Hum Fem Law), 989 points, T:1462, killed by a gnome 03:44 LarienTelrunya: What, you mean its stats aren't re-randomized every turn? 03:45 YASI: ^ 03:45 err... no? 03:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] Deftinw0lf (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1938 03:46 however, I might eventually add a monster that is like a chameleon, except it always polymorphs into shambling horror types :P 03:47 I mean, what is even the point of having a random number generator if you don't let it reroll monsters every turn? 03:48 make them get rerolled evey turn in fourk! :D 03:48 Hmm, perhaps should not make that decision at 3am while I am slaphappy. 03:49 also, whatever happened to the fluctuating speed feature? 03:49 There was this thing. Hmm, what is it called? Oh, yeah, "bugfix". 03:51 yeah but where is it? I couldn't find it in the fourk repo, even though I'm interested in the code from before that bugfix. As it is, I could only implement an approximation of fourk's fluctuating speed in slex. 03:54 LarienTelrunya: Looks like the bugfix is commit 3cc4abb149 03:55 what, it's just that one line of code?! wow 03:55 See also commit 8cde086097 03:56 ah I see 03:58 Don't tell me slex is going to have a role where speed does that? 03:58 SLEX has a nasty trap that does that. 03:58 Faster... faster... faster... faster... ok, stop, paralyzed for 20 turns. 04:01 there's even an artifact in slex named "Jonadab's Bug Mastery" that gives a higher top speed for this effect before it paralyzes you. 04:04 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:12 -!- eady has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:14 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 04:15 -!- raisse is now known as Guest21763 04:15 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 04:20 -!- Guest21763 is now known as raisse\splat 04:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] Deftinw0lf (Val Hum Fem Law), 2240 points, T:3647, killed by a giant spider 04:53 -!- imasimpleman has joined #hardfought 04:53 hey guys im in curses mode. what's that window to the right of my screen which is empty? 05:03 also is there a command to show item info for items ive never seen? like a small description or smth? or a guide 05:03 (guide as in npc) 05:04 you can use / to get the encyclopedia entries for some items 05:05 (and many monsters) 05:05 There's the wiki; the ingame encyclopaedia is more whimsical than game mechanically useful 05:05 true 05:11 Muad nice! that's what i was looking for! and if i want to compare weapon strength do i need to use the wiki? 05:12 Pinkbeast: ah so the ingame encyclopedia does not tell me about magical properties or effects? 05:13 really enjoying the curses ui btw. a few little things feel much easier now, just not having to remember keybindings that much is rly nice 05:14 i just have a little issue that whenever i save the game crashes and i have to relogin twice :\ 05:18 (i also have issue with perm_invent not working at the start of the game...) 05:19 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:21 (it only works after i pickup smth) 05:28 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:39 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 05:57 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:57 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 05:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 06:13 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:16 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 06:27 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:52242 06:33 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:52814 06:43 -!- lel has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:44 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:45 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:53846 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:53866 06:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:54571 06:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:54573 07:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:14 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:16 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 07:27 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 07:34 -!- lel has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] pakhomov (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 89 points, T:379, fell into a pit 07:41 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 07:41 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 07:41 -!- Camwin_ has joined #hardfought 07:43 -!- Camwin has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:43 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:45 "You see a tripe ration appear where the kitten was! You stop. Your kitten is in the way!" 07:46 this should be "Your tripe ration is in the way", right? 07:46 lol 07:46 tripe rations usually aren't 07:46 "You step on your kitten. The kitten hisses!" 07:46 You see here a mysterious sentient tripe ration. 08:03 -!- imasimpleman has quit [Quit: *poof*] 08:04 -!- imasimpleman has joined #hardfought 08:14 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:23 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 08:29 -!- imasimpleman has quit [Quit: *poof*] 08:29 -!- imasimpleman has joined #hardfought 08:49 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 08:52 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:06 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 09:08 -!- imasimpleman has quit [Quit: *poof*] 09:08 -!- imasimpleman has joined #hardfought 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] pakhomov (Val Dwa Fem Law), 158 points, T:621, killed by a wand 09:20 -!- Vivit has joined #hardfought 09:20 -!- Vivit has quit [Changing host] 09:20 -!- Vivit has joined #hardfought 09:22 LarienTelrunya unnethack didnt have the save/restore code, or if it did, it was very different than sporkhack's version 09:22 ah you got it from unnethack, I see 09:22 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 09:22 no 09:23 got it from sporkhack but looked at some of the settings from unnethack also 09:23 hmm 09:23 and then changed it further 09:23 minor 09:24 well, the only thing I know is that without the sporkhack save/restore code, the shamblers lost all their stats in slex, but if they work in evilhack then yay :) 09:24 lost its stats 09:24 heh 09:25 anyway you're catching me on my way out, I'm going to a pizzeria now :D will be back in a couple hours probably 09:25 just tested it 09:25 that makes me wonder whether they lose their stats in un too 09:25 well, see you! :) 09:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:26 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 09:32 -!- Xaleth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:33 yeah unnethack does have the save/restore code 09:33 just different way of doing it 09:34 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 09:42 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 09:44 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 09:52 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 10:01 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 10:05 -!- lel has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:06 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 10:22 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 10:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 10:22 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:55902 10:25 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:27 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] gnuvince (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3207 10:37 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46 -!- ShivanHunter has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:53 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:56619 10:55 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 10:55 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 11:05 -!- imasimpleman has quit [Quit: *poof*] 11:10 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 11:16 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 11:17 -!- nooodle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:17 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] pakhomov (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1850 points, T:3921, killed by a Woodland-elf, while praying 11:24 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 11:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] OrtonMC (Sam Hum Fem Law), 713 points, T:1786, killed by a gnome lord 11:24 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:25 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 11:33 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:34 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:36 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 11:39 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 11:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:56 -!- nooodle_ has joined #hardfought 12:02 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] pakhomov (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2183 points, T:3145, killed by a dwarf king 12:22 <@fireinc> good afternoon 12:25 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:27 -!- barcabuona has joined #hardfought 12:42 <@Tone> Hi #hardfought, I'm continuing livestreaming what is now a Vegan Weaponless Monk. Just wrapped up the quest and headed to Vlad's and hopefully a good ascension here 😄 12:42 <@Tone> Link: https://www.twitch.tv/tonelive 12:44 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 12:48 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 13:03 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 13:18 hi 13:18 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 13:18 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:24 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:49 -!- emerson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12 -!- evilem has joined #hardfought 14:24 -!- lel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:27 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 14:28 -!- ShivanHunter has joined #hardfought 14:30 -!- nooodle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:30 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:58 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] OrtonMC (Val Hum Fem Neu), 443 points, T:1335, killed by a dwarf 15:24 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 15:24 -!- nooodle_ has joined #hardfought 15:27 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 15:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:39 I'm never clear on this... if I'm a gnome is it safe to sacrifice a werefoo corpse? 15:40 Probably? I think? 15:40 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 15:41 But don't eat it. 15:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:49 bouquet: it's good 15:49 the non-animal part of the were is human 15:50 YANI: rogues gloves update: you can steal things from a peaceful monster with them, by passing both Dex and Cha checks. If one fails, they notice and get mad. 15:51 (this should work 100% on pets... but ideally you should be able to get things from pets without actually stealing.) 15:52 Caveat to the above: if the item you steal is being worn by the monster, they are always angered, and it's a Dex check whether your theft even succeeds at all. 15:58 Also, rogues wearing the gloves get to choose which item to steal. 16:01 aosdict: Have you ever tried stealing a favorite toy from a pet dog? I'm not sure 100% success is possible. 16:02 aosdict: Doesn't spl have a #take to get stuff from pets or something like that? 16:02 Or was it #give 16:03 I don't rememver 16:04 -!- ShivanHunter has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05 but that's a cool YANI 16:11 bouquet: Having a fully fleshed out system in which players can control their intelligent pets' equipment is one thing where gameplay > realism. 16:11 There are gameplay implications for super easy stealing from shops, though. 16:22 is there a plan to make pet's gear management a thing? 16:23 It's not really on my radar yet. 16:24 IMHO the biggest problem with pets is that they're so short-lived, i.e. so many ways in which you can lose them, and unlike some other RPGs there's no easy way to revive them. 16:28 <@rikersan> aosdcit: just steal dnh's equip/loot 16:28 shoplifting made easy :P 16:28 <@rikersan> it works fine other than you can't steal gold (only items) 16:29 <@rikersan> you can also use spl's give I guess, but idk if that has them put it on 16:30 @rikersan How does this address the problem of the hero standing in the door of a shop while their pet bounces around the shop picking stuff up and then looting them when they come by the door to steal everything easily? 16:30 s/this/dnh 16:30 <@rikersan> it doesn't really :/ it just blocks gold, but leaves that open 16:30 <@rikersan> I believe chris said he wanted to fix it 16:31 <@rikersan> via making items not become "unpaid" 16:31 <@rikersan> but hasn't gotten around ot it 16:31 <@rikersan> er, become paid 16:31 what if the pet carries the item out of the shop then, would it still count as unpaid? 16:32 Anyway, stealing stuff from dnh is a non-trivial task. 16:34 stealing from shops is one of my favorite tactics, but I can see how it could use a fix 16:35 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:37 <@rikersan> yeah I mean dnh buffs the kops to hell 16:37 I meant stealing code :P 16:38 aosdict: Oh, just put all the code in a bag and drop a cursed comment on the stuff you don't want 16:38 aosdict: You could disable pets stealing from shops entirely, have shks treat items on your pet like items on you. I'd be fine with that if it meant a better interface for equipping/unequipping pets. 16:39 I can't imagine the machine is intended behaviour 16:39 *mechanic 16:39 YOU might be fine with it, but that would kill everyone else's interest in xnethack. 16:39 Would it? 16:40 Pets have stolen from shops since at least Hack 1.0.3, it is hard to say it's not intended by now 16:41 Still super weird though 16:42 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 16:42 Inasmuch as NetHack can be said to be designed, if you were meant to pay for stuff in shops, wouldn't they have become Angband/DCSS style vending machines by now? 16:43 Why do we even have shks 16:43 Just leave a bunch of loot on the ground 16:44 Oh right, for price ID 16:44 And to make you have to have the right resources to be able to steal / memorise some arbitary spoilery technique that gives a huge advantage for little effort. (Which, however you spin it, is very NetHack) 16:45 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:46 If they wanted to discourage theft they'd also make kops be not horrible 16:47 Gah, #perl has someone in it named Pinkmist and my client colors both of you green 16:47 I think my nickcolor script just uses some hash. 16:47 If someone comes in as themselves_ they are a totally different color. 16:48 PavelB: slashem shopkeepers offer Identification services. Priests offer remove curse service. 16:48 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 16:48 * Pinkbeast doesn't have any angry fruit salad in IRC, you're all plain #000000 :-) 16:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:51 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:52 <@rikersan> hey what color am I? 16:52 <@rikersan> or rld I guess 16:52 orange 16:52 rld is red in my irssi 16:52 <@rikersan> pinkbeast: what, you use a black on white terminal? eugh 16:53 rld seems to do its own coloring? So I see `rld` in blue and `@rikersan` in red 16:53 <@rikersan> huh 16:53 <@rikersan> so I'm red? 16:53 The coloring of rld depends on your own client. 16:54 The coloring of rikersan should be the same, I think PavelB's client is just rendering it as "bright red" (which it is). 16:54 rld is white, aosdict is orange, Pinkbeast is yellow 16:54 My terminal renders bright red as orange. 16:54 <@rikersan> oh cool I get to be red that's cool 16:54 bhaak is white, but only when hilighting me 16:55 fun fact, that's also the color of my skin, bright white 16:55 White is only used for myself 16:55 <@rikersan> my irc makes everybody white but teal if they highlight me I believe 16:55 highlight of me is light blue 16:56 @rikersan I think it's more likely Pinkbeast uses a GUI irc client than a black on white client 16:56 <@rikersan> oh true 16:56 *terminal 16:57 bhaak: question, since this is a current thing in politics and you have the same name: would an English speaker pronounce your name like "myooler" or "muller"? 16:58 <@rikersan> bhaak is german, correct? 16:58 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 16:58 I've also heard it pronounced "Mweler" 16:58 aosdict: well, there's an Umlaut in there, so an English speaker would usually pronounce it wrong :-) 16:59 Your whois doesn't show the Umlaut 17:00 bhaak: does the correct pronunciation rhyme with Euler? (Which non-mathematician English speakers also typically get wrong.) 17:00 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/De-M%C3%BCller.ogg 17:00 PavelB: You'd be wrong 17:01 aosdict: no, eu and ü are completely different 17:01 rikersan: Yes, I use a black on white terminal. White on black hurts my eyes with smaller font sizes. 17:01 * aosdict opens a spellbook named Introduction to German Pronunciation 17:02 Umlauts are just there to say "haha this one's pronounced funny and we're not telling you why". A similar purpose is served in English by all the words. 17:02 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 17:02 EPI: language that doesn't use diacritics to signal nonstandard phonemes -- oh wait 17:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] OrtonMC (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1368 points, T:2879, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:08 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08 Pinkbeast, actually, there are many derived words where the original word doesn't have umlaut and the derived word does 17:08 that's much of the point of writing umlauts at all 17:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:10 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] CropperS (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:37347 17:10 particularly � which sounds the same as e 17:12 well, yeah, many words have for example a singular form with a non-umlauted form but the plural is umlauted 17:13 that's "easily" explained historically where in the older forms of German many cases fell together 17:15 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:15 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:16 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 17:20 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 17:22 . 17:23 * Chris__ANG coughs 17:23 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 17:23 . 17:23 Chris_ANG: Messages from @rikersan have been forwarded to you privately. 17:23 <@rikersan> :/ I should stop leaivng you so many msgs 17:24 Chris_ANG: "Hmm, there's *no way* @rikersan hasn't left me anything in the time I've been gone" 17:24 <@rikersan> i feel personally attacked pavel 17:24 It's a bet I think I've only seen not pan out once. 17:24 <@rikersan> in my defense dnh is fun 17:26 Also, I can sometimes see the messages get left ;) 17:26 Thriae are in for the law quest. 17:26 <@rikersan> oh cool 17:26 They sell stat points in the form of X Jelly 17:26 <@rikersan> ohhh I remember htem now 17:26 <@rikersan> cool 17:27 <@rikersan> I was looking for undead anything for my necromancer role draft thing 17:27 <@rikersan> they were next to swamp nymphs iirc and I didn't recognize them 17:27 No plans for the pharoah. They are part of the "lets add high-difficulty monsters that will mostly spawn during the Asc run" initiative. 17:28 And *sigh* re: nymph collapse bug. 17:29 <@mtf> uhhh what's Amy's IRC name again? I just tried to log into my old Slex game, and it's gone T.T 17:29 <@rikersan> that's known I believe, no? 17:29 <@rikersan> larientelrunya 17:29 <@mtf> ah 17:29 <@mtf> thanks riker 😛 17:29 <@mtf> Larientelrunya: Just tried to log into my old slex game, and it's gone... 😦 Was there an update or something that broke save compatibility recently? 17:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] OrtonMC (Bar Orc Fem Cha) murdered Noodles, her faithful little dog, on T:1505 17:30 need to !tell her, she's not here 17:32 rikersan: what's fun about it? I haven't played it yet so I'm interested. 17:32 dnh, that is 17:33 <@rikersan> dnethack? 17:33 <@rikersan> I just like the variety 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] OrtonMC (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1464 points, T:1634, killed by a human zombie, while fainted from lack of food 17:33 <@rikersan> it's a long more complex than basically every other variant but slex 17:33 is it kitchensinky or something else? 17:33 more branches than Un? 17:33 I've heard it's like if slex was made by a sane person 17:34 <@rikersan> bouquet: yes I believe so 17:34 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2265 17:34 <@rikersan> it's got 3 main alignment quest and 5 other single-level branches I beliee 17:34 <@mtf> oh thanks aos 17:34 <@rikersan> illurien, lost tomb, sunless sea, moloch's temple 17:34 <@rikersan> only 4 17:34 <@mtf> !tell Larientelrunya Just tried to log into my old slex game, and it's gone... 😦 Was there an update or something that broke save compatibility recently? 17:34 Larientelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @mtf. 17:35 <@rikersan> but the multi-level branches are very long 17:35 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya I don't know if beholder is case sensitive, mtf left a msg for Larientelrunya 17:35 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @rikersan. 17:35 sounds like a good distraction from vanilla 17:37 where's that family tree of *hack? 17:37 <@rikersan> not sure, dnh is 3.4.3. based tho 17:38 PavelB: you made a family tree of all the *hacks a while ago? Where's it stashed? 17:38 <@rikersan> bouqet: do note that artifact wishing is pretty formulaic in dnh 17:39 bouquet: I gave it to aosdict and he made improvments, ask him 17:44 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 400 points, T:949, killed by a kitten 17:45 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 17:47 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 377 points, T:515, killed by a hobbit 17:56 -!- ShivanHunter has joined #hardfought 17:58 <@mtf> Continuing my Dragon-riding Knight run in 5m! Will we ride to victory? Come find out 😄 https://www.twitch.tv/mtf39 17:59 PavelB: I eventually turned it into an update of bhaak's variant history graph, which is year by year. I think I posted it on imgur? Let me check. 18:00 https://i.imgur.com/u4A5KDt.png 18:00 (dashed arrows continue to be missing) 18:01 -!- Vivit has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:03 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 18:06 Is this on the wiki yet? 18:07 Where would it belong? 18:08 If you still have the GraphViz data we can add 3.4.3-hdf, tnnt, ndnh 18:08 I mean, the image can be uploaded to the wiki and just float around unattached to a page 18:09 PavelB: Oh great, more sideways arrows for 2018. 18:10 ndnh needs to be actually playable on a server before I'd put it on the chart though 18:10 It hasn't actually had a "release". 18:11 variants page: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Variant 18:11 So we just need [Demo] not to release it until 2019 :P 18:13 I'm *really* sure there are more missing dashed arrows... unnethack looks like a huge hub because this graph was originally the history of unnethack. 18:13 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 18:14 Chris_ANG: any comment on incoming or outgoing dashed arrows from the dnethack portion? 18:15 -!- Pavel has quit [Client Quit] 18:15 Right now, it's just "dnethack came from 3.4.3-nao and has been doing its own thing ever since." 18:15 dnhslex is Amy's right? If so it descends directly from dnh, I believe. 18:16 It doesn't descend from SLEX. 18:17 dnh has incoming arrows from... lets see. Definitely from SLASH'EM and the Lethe Patch. 18:17 Is that original dnethack, or any specific version? 18:19 Lethe patch is original dnethack (half the neutral quest is just the various parts of the Lethe glued end-to-end). 18:19 SLASH'EM had the strongest direct influence when I ported it's firearm and lightsaber code, I think... 18:20 yeah if you know the specific slash'em version that would be helpful since there are 9 of them, but if not I'll just put it on 0.0.7E7 18:21 "The last one" 18:21 7E7 is the last actual version, but there was an incomplete 8E0F1 after that. 18:21 incomplete = became slex 18:23 Hm. Can't really say. I think I had both of them, but that set of repos isn't on this computer, actually. 18:23 I suspect 7E7 18:23 pull anything from grunt or spork? 18:23 or un? 18:23 There's also some arrows coming from earlier versions of SLASH'EM and vanilla nethack. 18:23 Oh, right. 18:23 The Horror code 18:24 Which variant originated randomized Horrors? 18:24 sporkhack 18:24 sept 2009 18:24 unnethack pulled it in later in aug 2013 18:25 funny you're discussing it... 18:25 trouble shooting my implementation of it to evilhack right this second 18:25 heh I should draw an arrow from spork to 3.6.0 for orctown 18:26 except I guess it was via unnethack. THAT's a big missing arrow. 18:26 Create what kind of monster? [type the name or symbol] shambling horror 18:26 The shambling horror butts! 18:26 The shambling horror's tentacles suck you! 18:26 You're on fire! 18:26 unnethack -> 3.6.0 18:26 Status of the shambling horror (lawful): Level 16 HP 134(134) AC 1. 18:26 wooo thats a tough one 18:27 Can't imagine something called a "shambling horror" would be lawful 18:27 A dotted slash'em line should go to dnh version 3.11 (introduction of Anachrononauts, which ported the firearm/lightsaber code) 18:27 almost all of its stats are randomized 18:27 every game its something different 18:27 could be weak 18:27 could be something that makes demogorgon look tame 18:28 or anything inbetween 18:28 Is that the only slash'em line? 18:28 sporkhack and unnethack have their own restrictions to what it can use for settings 18:28 sporkhack shambling horror tends to be a bit more nasty 18:28 I feel like I ported some monsters from SLASH'EM into the original version. I'm not sure which ones, though. 18:29 oh great... this graph just got way more convoluted... 18:29 right now i am fighting '"bad attack type in spitmu" 18:29 when it spawns with a spit attack 18:29 dunno why its happening 18:29 doesnt crash tho 18:29 Hm. Also, I think Dispater's level at least is based on the SLASH'EM Dispater level? 18:29 graphviz why 18:30 Chris_ANG: I think we're not getting too granular, so minor changes like that are probably not worth an arrow. 18:31 Bard patch? 18:31 didn't that come via slash'em as well? 18:32 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32 No, that's it's own thing, I think. 18:32 bad attack type in spitmu Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.) 18:32 You are almost hit by a splash of venom. 18:32 damn 18:32 https://andreba.wordpress.com/projects/nethack-bard-patch/ 18:32 game still goes 18:33 attack type is correct... 18:33 someone should tell paxed to update that link on bilious 18:35 The earlier SLASH'EM and vanilla lines would be for the racial quests. Which might be of historical interest. 18:35 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 18:36 GRAPHVIZ WHY 18:36 it exiled splicehack to the bottom right corner where it gets in the way of everything 18:37 meanwhile, dnethack moves from its fairly neutral position in the bottom right smack in the middle of everything 18:37 the grunt -> xnh arrow swoops through the middle of dnethack 18:38 snow is setting off the motion sensor on my front yard camera. hah 18:38 lol 18:39 give me your snow K2 18:39 * K2 gives aosdict a snowflake 18:40 oh I see. adding that slash'em to splicehack arrow broke splicehack 18:41 you're meddling with forces you dont understand 18:42 the universe could wink out of existience with what you're doing 18:42 wrong arrow? *poof* 18:44 huh now I can't log in to the clan management web page 18:45 <@rikersan> damnit aosdict 18:45 <@rikersan> the wrong arrow was poked ^^ 18:45 used kerio's suggestion that dgamelaunch will actually use proper hashing if you prefix your password with "$6$16$" 18:46 does dgamelaunch truncate the hash or something 18:46 why are you listening to kerio's suggestions 18:50 Chris_ANG: OK, the dnethack part of the graph now looks convoluted and not boring any more. Mission successful? 18:50 aosdict: because kerio actually knows his shit 18:50 <@rikersan> post the new one? 18:51 <@rikersan> menche: how does that prefixing work? 18:51 bhaak: Should there be a dashed arrow between 3.4.3-nao and some version of unnethack? 18:51 may not be the easiest person to get along with, but he has skills 18:51 rikersan: that's a code that tells crypt() to use sha512 hashing 18:51 which does not truncate your password to 8 chars 18:51 btw, if your password has more than 8 chars, try logging in with the first 8, it should work 18:52 we'll need to fix dgl at some point 18:52 kerio fixed his copy if i recall 18:52 and we need to do it without scewing up existing accounts 18:53 https://bitbucket.org/kerio92/dgamelaunch.git 18:53 backwards compatible with old style crypt 18:53 sweet 18:53 thx 19:09 aosdict: I *think* Un took curses from nao 19:10 -!- Vivit has joined #hardfought 19:10 -!- Vivit has quit [Changing host] 19:10 -!- Vivit has joined #hardfought 19:13 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 19:30 aosdict: yeah, unnethack and nao exchanged codes basically constantly. nao couldn't take everything because save file compatibility and I think the only big piece missing from unnenthack was the key bindings 19:30 Also, nao wasn't really versioned, so it's hard to pin down multiple locations for it on the graph. 19:31 Menche no need to prefix your password anymore 19:31 i just updated dgl here with kerio's password salting/hashing commits 19:31 true 20 character passwords with special characters - go 19:32 in before "K2! My password doesn't work anymore!" 19:33 <@rikersan> mine works fine /shrug 19:34 heh 19:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] OrtonMC (Sam Hum Fem Law), 506 points, T:629, killed by a dwarf 19:34 i tested it first before taking it live 19:34 and backed up the user db 19:35 (that gets backed up regularly anyways) 19:38 K2: Should we change our passwords to make use of this? 19:39 you can if you feel you need to 19:39 no more worrying about submitting over plaintext 19:41 Wasn't that the point of ssh over telnet that nothing gets sent over plaintext 19:45 <[Demo]2> thats a really poorly worded sentence 19:45 <[Demo]2> sounds like ur tunneling ssh over telnet when u say that lol 19:46 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 21946 points, T:6538, killed by a bolt of fire 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] OrtonMC (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 225 points, T:838, killed by a fox 19:52 <@rikersan> demo: isn't that how your discord bot works? 19:52 <@rikersan> :p 19:52 <[Demo]2> what 19:52 <[Demo]2> it uses neither of those protocols 19:52 <[Demo]2> when it works 19:53 <@rikersan> i'm joking, you're fine lol 19:53 <@rikersan> how does it work again? 19:54 <[Demo]2> has a connection to discord, has a connection to freenode, facilitates the communication between the two on message send/receives 19:56 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 1694 points, T:2189, killed by something while blind 20:01 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:01 Did you implement your own version of the irc protocol or is there a node library 20:01 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 20:02 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 20:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 20:02 There must be a million IRC libraries some of which might even be reasonably good 20:05 <[Demo]2> there's an node module for literally anything reasonable u can think of 20:12 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 2459 points, T:1928, killed by a dwarf 20:15 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:19 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 578 points, T:680, killed by a dwarf 20:25 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 20:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 20:37 -!- Vivit has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 20:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 3839 points, T:2645, killed by a baby gray dragon 20:46 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 491 points, T:899, killed by a rock 20:52 PavelB yeah 20:52 rofl 20:52 so it wasnt a concern in that regard anyways 20:52 and yeah [Demo]2 20:52 but 20:52 being able to use a pw greater than 8 char is a good thing 20:57 -!- lunatunez has joined #hardfought 21:07 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] lunatunez (Val Hum Fem Law), 675 points, T:1436, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 21:27 That was rough 21:34 <@Tone> :/ 21:37 lunatunez: Are you Luna on nethackwiki? 21:37 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Val Dop Fem Neu), 12606 points, T:4676, killed by a warg 21:38 hmm, dunno 21:38