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01:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 289 points, T:614, killed by a water moccasin
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01:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of an archon", on T:2464
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07:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:44722
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07:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "the platinum yendorian express card", on T:44771
07:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "the platinum yendorian express card", on T:44774
07:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "the platinum yendorian express card", on T:44777
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07:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed tins of tengu meat", on T:44814
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07:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed tins of tengu meat", on T:44884
07:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed tins of tengu meat", on T:44886
07:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:44889
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08:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] atorox (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 452 points, T:1167, killed by a giant bat
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09:46 <aosdict> Minor artifact YANI: the Silver Shoes - silver low boots that can be invoked for levelport.
09:47 <aosdict> Minor artifact YANI: brass lantern that gives light in a radius of 4, and can be invoked to recharge it.
09:48 <bhaak> make them red and let them only teleport to the quest home level :-)
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09:50 <Chris_ANG> I think they were silver in the book, right?
09:53 <bhaak> yeah, but red in the movie. because new fangled color technology
09:54 <[Demo]2> that lantern doesn't sound very minor
09:58 <aosdict> books > movie
09:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 12058 points, T:3581, quit
09:58 <aosdict> also making them out of GEMSTONE would be... expensive
09:59 <aosdict> I reread the book recently, the shoes don't just take you home, it's just that that was the one thing they were used for
09:59 <aosdict> other ozian artifacts would be... too powerful. :)
09:59 <bhaak> ah, so the movie actually balanced them as they were OP
10:00 <[Demo]2> haha
10:00 <aosdict> YASI: The Ozian Magic Belt. Apply it for a wish.
10:06 <Chris_ANG> Today in dumb realizations: "Neuter" is it's own flag, not the absence of the Male and Female flags >_<
10:10 <[Demo]2> yikes
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10:11 <aosdict> Chris_ANG: maybe you should create an archive of dumb realizations so that other nethack developers can learn from it and not make the same mistakes :)
10:12 <Chris_ANG> lol
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10:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Pri Elf Mal Cha) averted death, on T:1845
10:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1068 points, T:1849, killed by a plains centaur
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11:06 <realinari> !ping
11:06 <Beholder> realinari: Pong! 
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11:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] quervo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 188 points, T:224, killed by a jackal
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11:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] quervo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 201 points, T:216, killed by a jackal
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11:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class S), on T:827
12:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1728
12:14 <rld> <@Possessed Toy Reaver> I wonder if I can blindfold a shopkeeper
12:16 <rld> <@luxidream> you can blindfold yourself
12:16 <rld> <@luxidream> this is a good thing because apparently your character doesn't have eyelids
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12:17 <rld> <@Possessed Toy Reaver> that's the only use for blindfold? :/
12:18 <rld> <@luxidream> it's more useful than you think it is, trust me
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12:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", on T:4873
12:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed blindfold", on T:42457
12:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:42467
12:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:42486
12:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:42487
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13:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6931
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13:55 <realinari> oh, acid in water is bad
13:55 <realinari> i should have remembered that from chemestry class
13:55 <realinari> actually, it’s not though
13:55 <realinari> water in acid is bad
13:55 <realinari> acid in water dilutes the acid
13:58 <jonadab> "Here lies Vera, calm and placid..."
14:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:12352
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14:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided disenchanter, on T:13235
14:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided master mind flayer, on T:13237
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14:21 <stenno\ootc> little timmy was a chemist, little timmy is not more, cause what timmy thought was H2O was really H2SO4
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14:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] chlorine (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 180 points, T:1656, killed by a dwarf
14:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:13528
14:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 cloak of protection", on T:13528
14:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:13533
14:39 <K2> TNNT updated (all servers)
14:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ynk (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 2338 points, T:2411, killed by a black unicorn
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14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:13742
14:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain level", on T:13799
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14:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:14682
14:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:14685
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14:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:14722
14:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:14879
15:00 <LarienTelrunya> !who
15:00 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] oh6 [tnnt] hypnotist [tnnt] ShivanHunter [tnnt] eitwinston [tnnt] telegarn [tnnt] Sakusen [tnnt] Dx34 [tnnt] Bartlem [tnnt] Xaleth [tnnt] larry [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] aosdict [tnnt] mightyquinn [sp] Cropper [nh362] | [hdf-eu] KrisuX [tnnt] Dins [tnnt] Luna [tnnt] inari [tnnt] noims [tnnt] spontiff [tnnt] tacco [tnnt] HalNovek [tnnt] | [hdf-au] No current players
15:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1426 points, T:2057, killed by a bolt of lightning
15:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 642 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:15210
15:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:15328
15:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:15399
15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:15401
15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 500 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:15433
15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:15860
15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:15861
15:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:16155
15:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed drum of earthquake", on T:16254
15:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:16258
15:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:16258
15:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:16548
15:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:16554
15:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:16695
15:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:16706
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15:34 <aosdict> YANI: Vampires, when they are killed as a fog cloud/bat/wolf, come back in their original form at half health. Due to this, some of them elect to remain in their vampire form.
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15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anhur, on T:18824
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15:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:20001
15:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:20002
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15:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:20183
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15:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:20219
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:20231
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:20233
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15:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1140500 points, T:20249, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cropper/nh361/dumplog/1541436758.nh361.txt
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16:10 <rld> <@IceBox> grats!
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16:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5391 points, T:5396, killed by a bolt of cold
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16:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] abzde (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4241
16:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] WillRobinson (Arc Mal), 53 points, T:111, homunculus
16:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 717 points, T:2701, burned by a fireball
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16:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] abzde (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5616 points, T:6080, killed by a kitten, while fainted from lack of food
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17:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a crude chain mail bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:3927
17:28 <K2> TNNT updated (all servers)
17:33 <LarienTelrunya> yo K2! I'm planning to push slex 2.39 (savebreak) tomorrow, and I guess since everyone is playing tnnt right now it's not so important to update hdf-slex; how about we just leave hdf-slex alone until after the tournament and then I (hopefully) have a new release ready? ;)
17:33 <K2> ok
17:33 <LarienTelrunya> cool :) it's gonna be a naslmodmo (national slex modding month) for me!
17:34 <[Demo]2> wow
17:34 <LarienTelrunya> and there's also bigslex, a new "variant" of slex that makes the dungeon levels bigger, but it needs to be beta tested, which I'll do on the esm server
17:35 <LarienTelrunya> in fact, it can be done with all other variants too I guess, or at least it should work for most, if not all for them, by increasing ROWNO and COLNO :D
17:36 <LarienTelrunya> someone on 4chan said "Oh god, gehennom will just be endless with that big of a map wont it. I think it would be kind of cool though I guess. Would be interesting to play vanilla nethack with such a large map."
17:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law), 34466 points, T:15496, killed by an owlbear
17:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a elven mithril-coat bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:6041
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17:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 8101 points, T:6922, killed by a jaguar
17:44 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: How are you solving the problem of special levels?
17:45 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: If you mod the level compiler to add SIZE= spec to the .des format and record the level size in the .lvl file, I would appreciate a pointer to the commit, so I can look at how it is done.
17:45 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: by not considering it a problem :P if the game feels like making a maze around a level, oh well, then that means there's a maze
17:45 <jonadab> Oh.
17:45 <LarienTelrunya> nah I'm not planning to do that
17:45 <jonadab> Because it's slex and bugs are features, right.
17:46 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: Still think you should do a variant of slex with tiles.  Even if some of the tiles are randomly generated.
17:46 <aosdict> so, random minotaurs around each special level? sign me up
17:47 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: yeah sure, because I have endless amounts of free time to spare :P
17:47 <jonadab> There was an article not long ago about randomly generating tiles images.
17:47 <jonadab> Don't recall if it was /r/roguelikedev or somewhere else.
17:47 <jonadab> Might've been a talk at the Roguelike Celebration?  Not certain.
17:48 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: If you didn't have way too much free time on your hands, slex would not exist.
17:48 <LarienTelrunya> no public server supports tiles and there's no way to prove that offline players aren't cheating, so...
17:48 <jonadab> Public servers can and do support tiles via hterm.
17:49 <jonadab> Granted, most players don't use hterm.
17:49 <jonadab> But it exists.
17:49 <jonadab> Granted, I think currently they only have that set up for vanilla?
17:49 <jonadab> But you know, there's a first time for everything.
17:49 <jonadab> You could totally set it up for slex-tiles on esm.
17:50 <LarienTelrunya> well that's really not a priority for slex right now, sorry
17:50 <LarienTelrunya> anyway, need to get some sleep now; see you tomorrow!
17:50 <jonadab> Or, you could rebase onto FIQHack, do the security audit and revamp for the client/server protocol, and then let players use a local tiles-enabled client to play on the public server :-)
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17:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 90 points, T:269, killed by a fox, while reading a book
18:02 <ShivanHunter> lmao I think the DIY Dudley's Dungeon thing will error out if you have a yellow ':' in any panel
18:04 <aosdict> the dudley code gained sentience, and having no other data to work with, developed an intense fear of newts
18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:1291
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1555 points, T:1621, killed by a rabid rat
18:12 <Menche> YANI: when polymorphed into a paper golem you can't write on the floor with your finger, because your finger would get too dirty.
18:12 <Menche> since you're made out of scrolls and you can't write with those either
18:13 <Menche> also, quaffing anything should cause damage
18:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1422 points, T:3601, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze
18:15 <Muad> Wizard is about to die. --More--  You die.
18:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 62 points, T:216, killed by a jackal
18:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) murdered Yolanda, his faithful kitten, on T:1
18:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 20 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire
18:16 <aosdict> Muad: at least it's honest
18:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 100 points, T:444, killed by a goblin
18:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 8 points, T:24, killed by a boiling potion
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18:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1343 points, T:2726, killed by a plains centaur, while sleeping off a magical draught
18:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 227 points, T:492, killed by a water demon
19:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 915 points, T:1708, killed by a rothe
19:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 147 points, T:349, killed by a bolt of cold
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19:59 <Chris_ANG> I find myself wanting furniture for the dungeon again :/
20:00 <[Demo]2> slex does that
20:00 <Chris_ANG> I'm not sure what use chairs would have, though.
20:00 <[Demo]2> and slex is tasteless
20:00 <[Demo]2> be careful
20:02 <aosdict> could steal the idea of fourk benches
20:04 <Chris_ANG> You rest on those, right?
20:07 <aosdict> yes, and they're slightly more flavorful than chairs as furniture, because they're ostensibly fixed to the ground
20:08 <aosdict> if you have chairs, you'll have jokers trying to pick them up and throw them at monsters
20:13 <Chris_ANG> That seems entirely reasonable to me ;)
20:20 <Chris_ANG> I like the wooden tables in slex.  Is that original to slex?
20:20 <aosdict> Probably. What do they do?
20:21 <Chris_ANG> You can still reach them while levitating.  Which is not *that* interesting, I know.
20:21 <aosdict> Do you have beds yet?
20:23 <Chris_ANG> Nope
20:24 <Chris_ANG> Hm, also you can't walk over them if you're burdened at all.
20:25 <Chris_ANG> Well, at one point I added objects for beds, bedrolls, and gurneys.
20:25 <Chris_ANG> That last one being there bc "cured of sanity, while strapped to a gurney" should be a death cause.
20:29 <Chris_ANG> And bedrolls being something you can get from soldiers, and would have the limited utility of being a portable source of fast-healing.
20:29 <Chris_ANG> "Limited" because you have to go to sleep to use it, of course, which is probably bad.
20:30 <aosdict> is the sleep controlled? can you say I want to sleep for 10 turns?
20:31 <aosdict> it seems like quick resting during lulls between combat would exacerbate the problem of "the hero generally fights each and every monster at full health".
20:32 <Chris_ANG> No, I think you'd #sit to go to sleep for some random period of time.
20:34 <realinari> would be nice to have another use for #sit than thrones and laying eggs
20:35 <realinari> also, what is this #sit channel?
20:35 <Chris_ANG> Don't forget deliberately triggering traps.
20:36 <Chris_ANG> And I guess demonstrating that the adventurer is always wearing pants.
20:36 <aosdict> heh
20:37 <Chris_ANG> I was thinking maybe the adventurer could #sit on a chair to heal their legs.
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20:37 <Chris_ANG> Which is a *very* corner-case use :/
20:37 <realinari> how does sitting demonstrate pants?
20:38 <realinari> i often sit naked..
20:38 <isha> sit on a c corpse, you don't die
20:38 <realinari> i thought that was normal
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20:38 <Chris_ANG> It's about the only way to *NOT* kill yourself accidently with a cockatrice corpse.
20:39 <realinari> YANI: take into account adventurer inventory when deciding if to apply stoning when sitting on c corpse..
20:39 <realinari> Chris_ANG: it shouldn’t be
20:39 <realinari> imo
20:39 <realinari> «this guy has a leather jacket, he is likely wearing pants»
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20:40 <realinari> or
20:40 <realinari> «this guy has a leather jacket, he is likely not wearing pants» is probably more appropriate
20:40 <Chris_ANG> Yeah... that's why dnh adjusted matters so that more roles start with body armor.  At some point I may change the c/#sit interaction to match. 
20:41 <Chris_ANG> However, as it currently stands doing so would amount to "Tourists/Convicts aren't wearing pants!", so....
20:42 <realinari> who’s to say that our hero isn’t running around the dungeon naked from the waist down..
20:44 <aosdict> There's a shirt that says 
20:44 <aosdict> "I'm not wearing any pants"
20:46 <Chris_ANG> YANI, belt armor:
20:47 <Chris_ANG> garish shorts: tourist starting equipment.  Occupies the belt slot.  Same effect as being seen wearing the shirt.
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20:48 <Chris_ANG> and I guess "striped slacks: convict starting equipment.  Occupies the belt slot.  Same effect as being seen wearing the shirt."
20:48 <Chris_ANG> I think those might count as YASIs, seeing as they are literally the same as the shirts.
20:48 <aosdict> Assuming belt stuff isn't "armor" that can be enchanted, what's the point of keeping on the garish shorts?
20:49 <aosdict> Or are they enchantable armor since dnh has dealt with the problem of stacking AC bonuses?
20:50 <Chris_ANG> dnh has made that problem less-bad.  It would let you put some extra DR in the "lower body" slot, which is currently only protected by torso armor.
20:50 <Chris_ANG> At the price of a few more points of AC after enchantment.
20:51 <Chris_ANG> (AC stacks, you just get less of it since I directed half of all the old AC bonuses to DR, which mostly doesn't stack)
20:52 <Chris_ANG> IDK, this collapses really quickly into "shirts, but for your legs"
20:52 <Chris_ANG> "but for your butt?"
20:55 <Chris_ANG> The Belt of Giant Strength is the ONLY belt item in 5e D&D :/
20:56 <aosdict> Well, as you may know, there have been several suggestions for various nethack belts, which I've kept track of.
20:56 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, I was thinking I should check that page.
20:57 <Chris_ANG> I have it open from checking for "chair" YANIs earlier XD
20:58 <aosdict> Sorry, 
20:58 <aosdict> erm
20:58 <aosdict> sorry I don't recall chairs ever coming up before
20:59 <rld> <@reapersan> there's exactly 1 and it's for #sitting on the VS (vibrating chair)
20:59 <Chris_ANG> Beds had come up before, though
20:59 <aosdict> which is not actually about chairs.
20:59 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, I know :P
21:00 <aosdict> no was replying to riker
21:00 <Chris_ANG> Ah XD
21:00 <aosdict> yes the beds one is there
21:01 <aosdict> also, I think tables have never come up
21:01 <Chris_ANG> I was also wanting a desk.
21:01 <Chris_ANG> All I got for that is some kind of container.
21:02 <Chris_ANG> Combining the functionality of a container and a slex table would actually not be bad.
21:02 <aosdict> Hmm... any interaction between scrolls/books, writing/reading, and lenses?
21:03 <rld> <@reapersan> isn't the point of lenses that they make you read faster/better?
21:03 <Chris_ANG> Hm.  Not sure.  I was going to suggest that desks could have a chance at a magic marker.
21:03 <aosdict> Sorry, I mean between those things and desks.
21:04 <Chris_ANG> Magic markers + Lenses perhaps.
21:05 <Chris_ANG> Also, it does seem like sitting in a chair next to a desk should maybe give a bonus to writing spellbooks, or something.
21:05 <aosdict> Like maybe the ink cost is slightly reduced, or capped at a value close to the max, if you write something at a desk. <  YANI ^^
21:05 <Chris_ANG> Not sure who would be able to take advantage of this.
21:05 <aosdict> Oh, increasing the success rate for unknown writing could be a good one.
21:06 <Chris_ANG> Archeologists, probably, their quest home is a college.
21:07 <aosdict> Ostensibly.
21:08 <aosdict> The quest home looks like a wannabe moated keep in a large desert.
21:08 <Chris_ANG> The reason I thought of desks is for the Warden's office in the Convict quest.
21:08 <Chris_ANG> Oh, right.
21:08 <rld> <@reapersan> now she sounds like an angry old lady substitute teacher
21:08 <Chris_ANG> That doesn't look like how I remember it.
21:09 <Chris_ANG> I think I'm thinking of the quest overhaul proposal's Arch home.
21:09 <aosdict> Hah, now *that* looks like a college
21:10 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, looking at that I always thought it was supposed to be a camp in Egypt or something (like, Indiana Jones inspired or something).
21:10 <Chris_ANG> But the dialog claims it's a college.
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21:10 <aosdict> Chris_ANG: as an employee of a college, how does the proposed Arc-home do in conveying collegeness?
21:12 <Chris_ANG> Um.  Looks fine?  I'm going off memory at the moment.
21:14 <aosdict> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Phol_ende_wodan/LevelsScratchpad for reference
21:15 <Chris_ANG> Ah, there we go :)
21:16 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, looks rather more like Oxford or something...
21:16 <Chris_ANG> Or Byrgenwerth.
21:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] semico (Val Hum Fem Law), 7 points, T:28, killed by a jackal
21:19 <rld> <@reapersan> oh jeez that priest locate looks so much better than the normal one
21:19 <rld> <@reapersan> the only redeeming feature of the current one is it's teleable
21:22 <Chris_ANG> I think the only reason I haven't adopted the Arch one is the lack of a real grass terrain.
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21:23 <aosdict> Real grass terrain isn't hard to add, it's hard to come up with effects for. But, for Arch, the effect of hiding snakes (and other hiders) in it will work very well!
21:23 <aosdict> I want to add herbivore pet grazing on grass, but that code is too complicated for me to read right now.
21:26 <rld> <@fireinc> how do i change my configs?
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21:28 <rld> <@fireinc> found how
21:30 <Chris_ANG> Heh.  Also, I just realized that the narrow places in the Caveman map are plot-relevant.
21:31 <aosdict> narrow places?
21:31 <aosdict> I did make sure to get rid of those very annoying choke points
21:34 <Chris_ANG> All the ones over on the left-hand side, right before the staircase:
21:35 <Chris_ANG> "She, herself, could not attack us due to her great size"
21:35 <Chris_ANG> Large creatures can't move diagonally.
21:35 <aosdict> Oh, you mean the vanilla quest.
21:35 <Chris_ANG> To bad Tiamat can teleport....
21:35 <Chris_ANG> Yeah
21:36 * Chris_ANG confusingly refers to the Chromatic Dragon as "Tiamat", despite dnh inheriting a totally *different* Tiamat from FFI
21:36 <rld> <@reapersan> yea I was just wondering what you meant
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21:43 <Chris_ANG> Well, afk for a while
21:43 <rld> <@fireinc> what should i be looking at the tournament? just try the usual not dying?
21:43 <rld> <@reapersan> have fun
21:43 <rld> <@reapersan> fireinc: not dying, if you want you can check out the list of achivements and try to get them
21:43 <rld> <@reapersan> (I don't have the link maybe somebody else does)
21:46 <rld> <@fireinc> Found on Rules
21:46 <rld> <@reapersan> cool cool
21:46 <rld> <@reapersan> good luck!
21:47 <rld> <@fireinc> I can get Some Watery Tart before dying 😛
21:47 <rld> <@Tone> There's also a trophy for dying a lot
21:48 <rld> <@Tone> and another for not dying right away
21:48 <aosdict> if you not die long enough, you get points for ascending!
21:48 <rld> <@Tone> ^
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21:52 <rld> <@fireinc> st 18/03 good. last time i had 16 got pretty far
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22:05 <rld> <@fireinc> cassiopeiastar's ghost, the one that died to rats
22:10 <rld> <@fireinc> worst death ever
22:11 <ShivanHunter> rats actually hit pretty hard for level 1
22:11 <ShivanHunter> now, newts and grid bugs, that's embarassing
22:12 <ShivanHunter> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7 points, T:28, killed by a lichen
22:12 <rld> <@fireinc> Then I tried to kill a floating eye. cassiopeiastar's ghost poked me to death
22:12 <ShivanHunter> lmao
22:12 <rld> <@fireinc> lol
22:12 <rld> <@fireinc> even better than mine <@Croesus> US: fireinc (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 761 points, 1914 turns, killed by the ghost of cassiopeiastar, while frozen by a monster's gaze
22:13 <rld> <@reapersan> .... how did you get killed by a lichen?
22:13 <rld> <@reapersan> was it also a floating eye?
22:13 <rld> <@reapersan> I've never even taken damage from one I'm fascinated
22:13 <ShivanHunter> ;)
22:14 <ShivanHunter> (It's a fake message)
22:14 <rld> <@fireinc> I managed to miss the floating eye several times and got stoned between the eye and the ghost
22:14 <rld> <@luxidream> you can get killed by a lichen by having one touch you at 0 hp after overflowing hp
22:16 <rld> <@fireinc> good night
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22:24 <realinari> whoa, lichen can kill?
22:25 <aosdict> "after overflowing hp"
22:25 <rld> <@reapersan> I honestly would have assumed that they dealt dmg slower than regen, lol
22:25 <aosdict> this only happens if you're trying really really hard
22:26 <aosdict> and have an infinite amount of full healing
22:26 <aosdict> Normally, lichens can only give assists.
22:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Lasci (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7800
22:36 <realinari> I can’t saccrifice black puddings?
22:37 <realinari> is that an anti altar scumming thing?
22:37 <realinari> pudding farming, i mean
22:37 <ShivanHunter> yep
22:37 <ShivanHunter> there's basically no farming in 3.6.0
22:39 <ShivanHunter> the "globs" are guaranteed drops, like unihorns, but are not corpses - so no saccing, no random death drops
22:40 <realinari> heeeey, there’s no upstairs in the rogue level…
22:40 <ShivanHunter> also cloned monsters in general were badly nerfed in terms of what you can get from them. They give diminishing XP now too
22:40 <ShivanHunter> there should be
22:40 <ShivanHunter> !who
22:40 <Beholder> ShivanHunter: [hdf-us] Bartlem [tnnt] sal [tnnt] bouquet [tnnt] eitwinston [tnnt] ShivanHunter [tnnt] scorchgeek [tnnt] Menche [tnnt] Graydot [tnnt] shadowcat [tnnt] dreadpirateA [tnnt] fcloud [nh362] Lasci [nh362] | [hdf-eu] Kontroller [tnnt] inari [tnnt] | [hdf-au] attie [tnnt]
22:40 <realinari> no, as in, theres no upstairs in the rogue level..
22:40 <realinari> usually
22:41 <ShivanHunter> ohhh yeah
22:41 <realinari> no second one anyway
22:41 <ShivanHunter> it's a TNNT thing ;)
22:41 <realinari> i get it by now
22:41 <realinari> been wondering where the dev team was hiding
22:41 <ShivanHunter> Don't kill them. The dungeon will collapse
22:41 <ShivanHunter> found that out firsthand
22:41 <ShivanHunter> (You couldn't kill then at your level anyway)
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22:44 <Menche> oracle bones
22:45 <ShivanHunter> that level seems to produce more bones than most
22:45 <Menche> is it just me or do higher level monsters suddenly become more common on the oracle level
22:45 <ShivanHunter> it definitely seems like it generates _more_ stuff at least, for me
22:45 <ShivanHunter> I think the level difficulty when people tend to reach that level coincides with a difficulty spike
22:46 <Menche> long sword, shield, and dagger suggest shadowcat was a valk
22:46 <Menche> but there's also Sting
22:46 <ShivanHunter> ew
22:46 <ShivanHunter> Sting aka Hope You Weren't Planning On Artiwishing LOL
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22:51 <realinari> ohh, apples, bananas and candy!
22:51 <realinari> yummy
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22:56 <Menche> huh, I have a cursed stamped scroll
22:56 <Menche> did shadowcat get mail right before croaking?
22:57 <Menche> "As you read the scroll, it disappears.  This seems to be junk mail addressed to the finder of the Eye of Larn."
22:57 <Menche> aw you can't get the other player's mail
22:57 <realinari> what monster race is the devteam?
22:57 <realinari> humans?
22:58 <realinari> i just gon a geno from the throne..
22:58 <realinari> *got
22:58 <realinari> «There is no such moster as paxed.»
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23:03 <Menche> alright sokoban time
23:04 <realinari> nice warning shirt!
23:04 <Menche> ?
23:05 <Menche> DARNIT black light
23:05 <Menche> yay I got the easier soko 2 variant
23:06 <Menche> but everything is random colors and symbols
23:06 <rld> <@reapersan> is this slex?
23:06 <rld> <@reapersan> :p
23:06 <Menche> looks like it
23:06 <Menche> actually no, in slex all the walls would be different colors
23:09 <Menche> lol, I can't distinguish boulders from items on the ground
23:09 <Menche> I guess trying to move into it diagonally
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23:15 <rld> <@reapersan> farlook doesn't work?
23:17 <Menche> oh, didn't try that
23:17 <Menche> this is faster
23:17 <Menche> it wore off anyway
23:21 <Menche> I haaaaate eroded equipment, a red naga burned my shield up  :<
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23:50 <aosdict> Menche: if someone happens to find a PLZ RETURN TO DEVTEAM scroll and then die and leave bones, it turns into mail.
23:53 <Menche> ah
23:55 <rld> <@luxidream> !rng nethack before bed | study more
23:55 <Beholder> @luxidream: nethack before bed
23:55 <Menche> :D
23:56 <rld> <@luxidream> !rng no really | just kidding
23:56 <Beholder> @luxidream: just kidding
23:56 <Menche> :/