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01:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11682
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06:17 <stenno\ootc> !seen spontiff
06:23 <stenno\ootc> it's laggy somehow on EU..
06:25 <stenno\ootc> stupid lag spikes https://hastebin.com/raw/iyozeluhak
06:35 <LarienTelrunya> stenno\ootc: https://pastebin.com/raw/TjXgibQF
06:35 <stenno\ootc> hrmmm
06:35 <stenno\ootc> strange
06:35 <stenno\ootc> so it's my end
06:36 <stenno\ootc> LarienTelrunya: you are in germany too right?
06:36 <LarienTelrunya> it was laggy for me yesterday too, but esm was laggy at the same time
06:36 <LarienTelrunya> yes
06:36 <stenno\ootc> oki, thanks
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08:00 <ais523> Beholder: messages?
08:01 <ais523> good
08:07 <LarienTelrunya> !who
08:07 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Bugpowder [tnnt] rebatela [tnnt] ShivanHunter [tnnt] Sakusen [tnnt] Hill [tnnt] Qwesti [tnnt] BEHiker91W [tnnt] Nobbs [nh343] krm26 [fh] | [hdf-eu] jt [tnnt] Luna [tnnt] elenmirie [tnnt] swegen [tnnt] Dins [tnnt] spontiff [tnnt] khamul [tnnt] | [hdf-au] Tangles [tnnt]
08:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2880
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08:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:16459
08:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:16477
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09:43 <aosdict> !whereis AntiGulp
09:43 <Beholder> aosdict: [hdf-us] antigulp [tnnt]: (Mon Hum Fem Cha) T:1928 The Dungeons of Doom level: 4
09:44 <aosdict> Oh ok you're a monk. good
09:44 <AntiGulp> ?
09:44 <[Demo]2> you dont wanna roll around these parts with weapons
09:44 <aosdict> We don't want to conflict with character combinations.
09:44 <AntiGulp> Gotcha gotcha
09:45 <aosdict> We have a neutral monk asc courtesy of rebatela, so cha monk is cool
10:09 <bug_sniper> @luxidream it comes from me fixing people's bugs in a college coding project
10:10 <ais523> meh, you should be taking out xans at extreme range with a crossbow
10:10 <[Demo]2> popping xans
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10:22 <AntiGulp> YANI: Boulders should tear through spider webs
10:22 <AntiGulp> (this yani brought to you by obnoxious spiders in sokoban)
10:24 <aosdict> Please, someone on the devteam, incorporate the web cutting patch already
10:24 <AntiGulp> Please, I’m dying out here
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10:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] chlorine (Ran Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:5852
10:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] chlorine (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 6489 points, T:5968, killed by a lynx
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10:57 <raisse\splat> at least sting doesn't leave you stuck now
10:58 <bhaak>  I though tnnt had this applied?
10:59 <raisse\splat> yes
10:59 <raisse\splat> that's why I'm naming Sting at every opportunity
11:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NonWonderDog (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 35264 points, T:4176, killed by a vampire bat
11:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:9343
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11:06 <aosdict> bhaak: If you're in the reasonable Strength range of being able to disentangle yourself in 1 turn, Sting is worse than non-Sting (because it takes up your weapon slot).
11:07 <aosdict> That is, it takes just as long to disentangle yourself as it does to have Sting "cut through the web!"
11:08 <raisse\splat> *shrug* I'm playing wizards now until I complete the Great Wizard or get tired of it, and then I'm not strong and want to wield a dagger anyway, so having it in my weapon slot is not a problem
11:08 <raisse\splat> until I have magicbane
11:08 <aosdict> sting should either: a) destroy the web in the process b) cut through the web and let you move out of it in the same turn, or c) both.
11:08 <raisse\splat> yes, agree
11:09 <aosdict> xnethack already has c) implemented
11:09 <raisse\splat> also F with any sharp weapon should destroy the web
11:09 <aosdict> xnh has that too.
11:10 <aosdict> YANI: bumblebee. Like a killer bee, but the poison from its sting is worse; but when it stings something, it becomes canceled; a canceled bumblebee loses 1 HP per turn.
11:11 <raisse\splat> isn't the poison from killer bee stings bad enough?
11:11 <realinari> aosdict: as long as bumble bees spawn alone..
11:12 <realinari> YANI: balancing to actually make the whip useful
11:14 <bug_sniper> !tell LarienTelruna did you already balance the whip skill in your variant?
11:14 <Beholder> No worries, bug_sniper, I've got this!
11:15 <realinari> which variant would that be?
11:15 * raisse\splat is wary of the word "balance" because it means "nerf something" more often than not
11:15 <bug_sniper> slashem extended
11:16 <bhaak> I see raisse\splat has a sporkhack trauma
11:16 <raisse\splat> I've never even played sporkhack
11:22 <realinari> nerfing the whip isn’t gonna do anyone any good
11:23 <rld> <@reapersan> I mean afaict the whip is more of a tool than a weapon right now soo
11:24 <rld> <@reapersan> it doesn't really do great damage (like, at all) but it's useful in specific situations
11:24 <raisse\splat> yes
11:25 <raisse\splat> I tend to stuff one in my bag just in case
11:25 <rld> <@reapersan> tbh I think I'd be 100% ok with removing it from weapons entirely, and just making it a tool
11:25 <raisse\splat> like the pickaxe
11:25 <rld> <@reapersan> yea
11:25 <raisse\splat> that's a tool but you can hit monsters with it just fine
11:25 <rld> <@reapersan> weapon-tool or just tool
11:25 <rld> <@reapersan> aosdict: slex adds iron whips and chain whips I believe
11:26 <rld> <@reapersan> it could probably use the flail skill?
11:26 <raisse\splat> but the flail skill is a weapon skill
11:27 <rld> <@reapersan> I mean teh pick-axe skill is a weapon skill too, but the pick-axe is a tool that uses it
11:27 <raisse\splat> as well as the mattock
11:28 <raisse\splat> (which is in the weapons class in inventory, but it's still a tool as well)
11:28 <rld> <@reapersan> mattocks are just weapons aren't they?
11:28 <rld> <@reapersan> ah ok
11:28 <rld> <@reapersan> yah I guess leaving the whip skill would be fine
11:28 <realinari> more options for greater damage dealing in the whip class would be nice
11:28 <rld> <@reapersan> I just felt odd about having a skill for a single tool /shrug
11:29 <realinari> «barbed steel wire whip»
11:29 <rld> <@reapersan> slex adds iron whips, chain whips, flame whips I believe
11:29 <rld> <@reapersan> iron is much better, chain is meh, and flame whips don't actually deal fire damage that I know of but that could be changed
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11:31 <rld> <@reapersan> er, s/iron/steel/, looks like they deal d10 and d6 to small/large
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11:35 <raisse\splat> flame whip sounds like you should give them to balrogs
11:35 <rld> <@reapersan> yeah I was thinking that
11:35 <rld> <@reapersan> I don't think there's any non-arti items in vanilla that deal elemental damage though
11:35 <rld> <@reapersan> *weapons
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11:58 <rld> <@reapersan> hey @Demo you here right now?
11:59 <rld> <@reapersan> any advice for a fem drow wiz? lvl 13, just found a 0:2 wishing wand in neu branch shop (no prem charging though)
11:59 <rld> <@reapersan> I've got +5 lance of long and +5 magicbane right now, along with fire brand and houchou. armor is just +1 CPM and displacement cloak really
11:59 <rld> <@Demo> uhh gauntlets of spellpower maybe?
12:00 <rld> <@reapersan> those are iron no
12:00 <rld> <@Demo> those are silver
12:00 <rld> <@Demo> im pretty sure
12:00 <rld> <@reapersan> silvered
12:00 <rld> <@reapersan> not silver
12:00 <rld> <@reapersan> I've tried that before :(
12:00 <rld> <@Demo> really?
12:01 <rld> <@reapersan> yea
12:01 <rld> <@Demo> damn
12:01 <rld> <@reapersan> and I thought abotu stormhelm, but I think the gold helm is opposite align this game
12:01 <rld> <@reapersan> (i'ts not helmet, brilliance, or drain res at least)
12:01 <rld> <@Demo> still though, talk to chris about that
12:01 <rld> <@reapersan> it's intentional I believe
12:01 <rld> <@Demo> cause if they are silvered they shouldnt be iron to touch
12:01 <rld> <@reapersan> oh really?
12:01 <rld> <@Demo> that doesnt make sense though
12:01 <rld> <@reapersan> i don't think that's how that works
12:01 <rld> <@Demo> think like a penny
12:01 <rld> <@Demo> its coppered
12:02 <rld> <@Demo> silvered means gilded in silver
12:02 <rld> <@reapersan> yea
12:02 <rld> <@Demo> which would mean you skin shouldnt touch any iron
12:02 <rld> <@reapersan> but they're iron as a base time
12:02 <rld> <@reapersan> *type
12:02 <rld> <@Demo> and thats what causes the issue
12:02 <rld> <@reapersan> no tha'ts not what chris means
12:02 <rld> <@reapersan> he says it's like silver etchings on the surface
12:02 <rld> <@Demo> hmmm
12:02 <rld> <@Demo> ok
12:02 <rld> <@reapersan> think artistic designs
12:02 <rld> <@reapersan> (I asked him about nodensfork a bit ago)
12:03 <rld> <@Demo> yeah like runes on it
12:03 <rld> <@reapersan> silvered things deal both iron and silver damage
12:03 <rld> <@reapersan> yea
12:03 <rld> <@reapersan> that was what he said, runes
12:03 <rld> <@Demo> I guess that makes sense
12:03 <rld> <@reapersan> anyway yeah I just wiztested gosp are still iron enough to count for itchiness
12:03 <rld> <@reapersan> I'll probably just wish for gm roobe
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12:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NonWonderDog (Ran Elf Fem Cha) let a gnome lord genocide class 'd', on T:1184
12:32 <bouquet> hi
12:32 <Beholder> Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought
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12:45 <aosdict> @reapersan Also, whips with a barbed poison tip attached exist, don't they?
12:45 <aosdict> Not in nethack, but historically IRL.
12:45 <[Demo]2> in dnh they do
12:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] captainkale (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 561 points, T:2033, killed by a rothe, while praying
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12:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NonWonderDog (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 46384 points, T:3089, killed by a large cat
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13:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:39698
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13:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] gunnervi (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9161
13:16 <bouquet> if I don't steal anything from a shop, but dig a hole will Izchak or the guards get angry?
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13:39 <raisse\splat> nope
13:39 <raisse\splat> as long as you're nto standing next to any merchandise that can fall down with you
13:39 <raisse\splat> keep all adjacent squares clear
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13:49 <eadyna> I don't know why I like Milk Duds so much.  Objectively, they appear to be some odd blend of corn syrup and some kind of plasticizer that allows them to hold their shape.  They don't even taste like chocolate really.  Why do I eat them?
13:51 <[Demo]2> they taste good
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13:55 <bug_sniper> you eat them because you don't eat whoppers
13:59 <eadyna> bug_sniper: Maybe that's it.
14:00 <eadyna> Oh, wait:  I eat those too.  Hmm.  Back to the drawing board.
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14:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had broadsword named Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:19488
14:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:20075
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14:15 <bug_sniper> you eat them because you don't want to trip on them when they sit on the floor like marbles
14:19 <bug_sniper> you eat them because your mouth is spherical and they fit its shape perfectly
14:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:41512
14:20 <eadyna> Actually, Whoppers are closer to spherical marbles in shape, so those explanations work better for them.
14:20 <eadyna> Also, they at least have a texture.
14:21 <eadyna> I mean, most candy is spherical, topologically speaking.
14:21 <eadyna> Though I've seen some that's torroidal.
14:22 <eadyna> Darn it, now I'm wondering if anybody's ever manufactured mobius strip candy.
14:22 <bug_sniper> there's also licorice that has an unknown number of holes
14:22 <[Demo]2> klien bottle licorice :P
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14:24 <bug_sniper> you can tie it in a knot or stab licorice so that it has more holes
14:25 <bug_sniper> and there's candy-coated pretzels with 3 holes each
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14:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:22010
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14:32 <eadyna> bug_sniper: Oh, good point about the pretzels.
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14:34 <eadyna> How do you topologically characterize pixie sticks?
14:34 <eadyna> I mean, the paper is basically just wrapper and so shouldn't count as part of the candy itself, but...\
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14:35 <bug_sniper> by putting a needle through the middle?
14:38 <bug_sniper> or transferring the powder to a miniature tube through a valve
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14:46 <eadyna> What if the powder gets blown around?
14:46 <eadyna> You could end up with...  a bunch of spheres, and possibly some other shapes.
14:47 <bug_sniper> then you don't know what the topologies are
14:48 <eadyna> Ah, "undefined".  Works for me.
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15:11 <rld> <@reapersan> !tell Chris_ANG I broke a potion of starlight with force bolt but the light source stayed. not sure what happened there
15:11 <Beholder> Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @reapersan.
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15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NonWonderDog (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 43768 points, T:6924, killed by an ettin mummy
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15:18 <[Demo]2> yikes
15:19 <rld> <@reapersan> hm
15:19 <rld> <@reapersan> should telepathy trigger when you're blind but not like actually blind?
15:19 <rld> <@reapersan> cuz when drow are in light they don't even get the 2 square vision
15:20 <rld> <@reapersan> I was effectively blind but I didn't get telepathy
15:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 155266 points, T:27354, poisoned by a water moccasin
15:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] shadowsapex (Brd Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 gauntlets of power", on T:59445
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15:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] captainkale (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1081 points, T:2541, killed by a rope golem
15:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:20752
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16:07 <ShivanHunter> ooh I wonder what happens to the scrolls of missing code from bones
16:07 <ShivanHunter> do they just turn into spam mail?
16:07 <[Demo]2> yes
16:07 <[Demo]2> they dont persist
16:08 <ShivanHunter> ah
16:09 <aosdict> they would break the game rather severely if they persisted
16:19 <rld> <@reapersan> what do scrolls of missing code do?
16:20 <ShivanHunter> instantly win the game
16:20 <ShivanHunter> ;)
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16:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) averted death, on T:26001
16:29 <rld> <@mtf> Continuing our knight run and our quest to ride a dragon in 5m! https://www.twitch.tv/mtf39
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17:11 <K2> !who
17:11 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] ShivanHunter [tnnt] Entitas [tnnt] Karnac [tnnt] toneLive [tnnt] Athor [tnnt] eitwinston [tnnt] Kame [tnnt] mtf [tnnt] Rehab [tnnt] vivit [tnnt] Bugpowder [tnnt] Graydot [tnnt] Pryon [tnnt] krm26 [fh] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [tnnt] swegen [tnnt] Raisse [tnnt] noims [tnnt] KrisuX [tnnt] jt [tnnt] Luna [tnnt] thorsb [tnnt] | [hdf-au] No current players
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18:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NonWonderDog (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 35872 points, T:2600, killed by a gnome queen
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19:05 <bug_sniper> !booze LarienTelrunya 
19:05 * Beholder hands LarienTelrunya a tall glass of liquid courage, fermented by Izchak at 244 Kelvin.
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19:14 <bouquet> Is tnnt compiled with paranoid_hit available? This is twice I've y'd into a peaceful.
19:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3448 points, T:3464, quit
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19:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NonWonderDog (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 35595 points, T:3439, killed by a werejackal
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19:51 <K2> bouquet: no there's no special defines for paranoid anything. its whatever default settings are
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19:51 <K2> same as 362-hdf
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19:52 <bouquet> kewl. I'll just keep murdering guards and shopkeepers. When I'm in front of the judge I'll tell them "It's K2's fault, yer honor... he didn't enable paranoid_hit!"
19:53 <K2> the judge will laugh
19:53 <K2> you'll laugh
19:53 <K2> and then you'll go to prison
19:53 <K2> :P
19:56 <bouquet> Typical anti-elf judges.
19:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] NonWonderDog (Cav Hum Mal Law), 35173 points, T:2819, killed by a monk called "NonWonderDog"'s wand, while frozen by potion vapours
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20:09 <stenno\ootc> there is paranoid hit in 3.6
20:10 <stenno\ootc> bouquet: this should work https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options#paranoid_confirmation
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20:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:30498
20:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30499
20:42 <bouquet> stenno\ootc: sorry, didn't work :(
20:44 <stenno\ootc> works for me..
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21:03 <bouquet> this is what I put in:
21:03 <bouquet> OPTIONS=paranoid_confirmation:pray attack wand-break
21:06 <stenno\ootc> maybe it's only working for the following game
21:14 <oh6> yeah, I think it gets saved, so you need to change it in the options menu if you want to change for your current game
21:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a blue dragon, on T:31843
21:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 18 daggers named (+7) on an altar, on T:32029
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21:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 117604 points, T:32736, quit
22:06 <[Demo]2> man dutch accents are weird some words sound more american and some sound more almost sort of british
22:07 <jonadab> They probably get British English in school and American English from television and internet.
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22:58 <[Demo]2> makes sense
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23:26 <bouquet> oh6: thanks, that was it.
23:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] abzde (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3036
23:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] abzde (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 978 points, T:3188, killed by a dwarf zombie
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23:56 <Chris_ANG> .
23:56 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Messages from @reapersan have been forwarded to you privately.