00:05 <@FrightBox> Mjollnir + chih sung-tzu...mjollnir's a hammer....Chih starts with C....M.C. Hammer 00:05 <@FrightBox> we've cracked it 00:17 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 00:18 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:30238 00:22 FrightBox ^^^ 00:29 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 00:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 00:33 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 00:36 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:53 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 00:56 <@FrightBox> Adopting the way of the hammer a lesser known monk style 00:59 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:21 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 01:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 01:25 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:48 -!- LanternTrickya has joined #hardfought 01:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LanternTrickya] by ChanServ 02:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:05 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 02:07 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:20 -!- ProzacElf_ has left #hardfought 02:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 02:34 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:57 YANI (I'm surprised no one suggested this yet): new monster "paci-fist", who rapidly strikes the player with martial arts. 03:32 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:18724 04:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:17 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 04:18 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 04:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:19 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 04:30 -!- stenno_ has quit [Changing host] 04:30 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 04:30 -!- stenno_ is now known as stennowork 04:35 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 04:39 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:25886 05:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25887 06:05 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 06:10 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:18 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 06:19 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:27122 06:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 274 points, T:1087, killed by a boulder 06:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:28196 06:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:28437 07:07 -!- stennowork has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:14 -!- LanternTrickya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:16 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 07:16 -!- stennowork is now known as Guest68373 07:17 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 07:18 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 07:21 -!- Guest68373 has quit [Changing host] 07:21 -!- Guest68373 has joined #hardfought 07:23 -!- Guest68373 is now known as stennowork 07:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] zor (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 148 points, T:404, killed by a small mimic 07:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] zor (Val Hum Fem Neu), 128 points, T:331, killed by a dwarf 07:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] zor (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1687 points, T:1402, killed by a small mimic 08:06 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 08:11 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:27 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:32507 09:02 <[Demo]> why cant a student of stone punch through stone? 09:05 heh 09:05 good question 09:06 You mean like, showing-off-martial-arts breaking stone, or like punch-through-wall-of-solid-rock breaking stone? 09:10 like ryoga's one finger attack 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:34340 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34343 09:12 Bakusai Tenketsu (ηˆ†η •η‚Ήη©΄) 09:13 i was actually just thinking yesterday, the annoyance of a monk having to use a pick axe, and therefore constantly having to remember to unwield if they want to keep no-weap 09:14 and how it would be cooler if they could just punch statues and punch walls to crumble them 09:14 sounds a bit op 09:14 not if you implement it correctly 09:14 say if you had a high level monk that could punch through stone, make it take a long time vs using a pick axe 09:14 it could take longer, right 09:15 it still could be a tradeoff that's worth it. Monks have so many limitations 09:15 one of my to-do's in evilhack is to re-examine the monk 09:16 then again, so, the change that made it so that certain monsters like WoY can steal *other* roles' artifacts from you has far-reaching effects that i don't know if the vanilla devs meant 09:16 i like the monks limitations, it creates a strong class identity 09:16 yes, limitations can be good 09:16 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 09:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 09:17 so before, it was possible to get magic resistance from a source other than armor, and feel reasonably safe with that. After I lost a character on the way up with the amulet, got double teamed and my PYEC stolen and then touch of death, all in one turn -- before I knew the WoY could steal PYEC when I wasn't a tourist -- I just don't want that to happen to me again 09:18 now I don't do the run without magic resistance from cloak or gray dragon scale mail, so there are just two options to be safe. BUT -- cloak of magic resistance got nerfed too, lowered its MC 09:18 and monk can't use mail without a huge penalty, so..... monks got screwed 09:18 <@Tone> The only limitation they really have is the body armor penalty, right? 09:18 touch of death is just too great a risk, and can happen pretty much any time 09:19 the body armor penalty is *serious* 09:19 <@Tone> Alignment for eating meat isn't a big deal 09:19 <@Tone> Is it? I usually wear armor with them 09:19 <@Tone> I mean, I know it's - 20 09:19 even without the -20 i can barely hit the endgame player monsters sometimes 09:20 <@Tone> Yes that's the one area it becomes very noticeable 09:20 i just think there were a number of nerfs that synergize very poorly 09:21 imo they should either make touch of death less dangerous, or make there be another source of MR for monks 09:21 besides, is it really a great game when you pretty much need to have a certain item all the time now? it used to be that i would sometimes with for silver dragon scale mail, but virtually never anymore 09:21 wish* 09:22 ok, it is a great game, i play it constantly, this is just a minor annoyance :p 09:22 it could be worse, we could be ADOM where if you stand on an altar you get insta-killed by a monster sacrificing you 09:22 <@Tone> I had a cockatrice corpse on Astral recently as a monk with body armor and I'm pretty sure it was impossible to hit one of the player monsters 09:22 <@Tone> Too bad I didn't have probing or something to check 09:23 Tone, yes, that has happened to me too. 09:24 but, bottom line, MR is *crucial* if you don't want to risk losing high level characters to instadeaths, and there just aren't many ways to safely have MR... but why is that? Why make that game design choice 09:28 <@Tone> It is kind of a weird mechanic how MR makes the difference between so many things being either potentially fatal or virtually harmless 09:29 <@Tone> but in nethack I think it's reasonably well balanced by the guaranteed wand of wishing 09:29 <@Tone> Whether or not that is good design is up for debate 09:30 i think variety of viable strategies is a good thing, and increases replayability and novelty... and the game would have more variety of viable strategies if the situation vis-a-vis MR were improved 09:31 maybe just remove the ability of monsters to steal quest artifacts, and then add a chaotic artifact that gives MR 09:34 for example of variety of viable strategies, one thing nethack is great with is how many viable ways there are to do melee... so many artifacts, and two-weapon combos, and many of them are just fine, which lets you be creative and stylish 09:36 nooodle: [backscroll] I would be against adding another source of MR for monks because it'd be incredibly hard to accomplish in a way that only monks can use and that won't make all the other roles complain. Nerfing instadeath effects, on the other hand... 09:36 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:36 I think I like the idea of removing all one-hit KO effects except for direct HP damage. 09:37 But then you have to make players stomach removing *their* one-hit KO effects like wand/finger of death. 09:38 the sergeant i'm one-hit-killing hasn't spent 3 hours on its character, standing there in the barracks pressing '.' over and over :D 09:38 For instance, Rodney then becomes a very nontrivial confrontation. This is good in *my* opinion, but it would make a lot of players complain. 09:38 there is already precedent for the difference between player and monster use of the same item. When I use a cockatrice corpse I instantly kill a sergeant, but when it uses it on me it's a delayed instadeath 09:39 nooodle: Player and monster uses of the same item should cause the same symmetric effect. I intend to fix these asymmetries like you mention as well. 09:39 (also, doesn't a sergeant using a c corpse on you cause instadeath...? I thought it did) 09:40 oh.... I may be wrong, lemme check 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] zor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 257 points, T:860, killed by a small mimic 09:41 yes, it's a delayed death. Asymmetry. But asymmetry isn't bad *game design*. Game design doesn't always have to have perfectly equal physics between monster and player. Our situations are very different, I am a player and it's not. 09:41 Symmetric effects on players and monsters also are a big step towards making the game more learnable. You don't need to tell players "well when you do this, this happens, but watch out for when something does it against you..." 09:43 Anyway, the general argument of symmetry/asymmetry aside, I would consider it bad game design for a *wand* to do different things to players and monsters (killing the monsters, but not the player). 09:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44 Fair... but WoD is less of an issue for me, in any case, because it can be blocked by both reflection and MR, and there are at least 2 somewhat viable sources of reflection. There would be one more if it weren't for MR limitations. 09:45 also, a monster using WoD often misses, and/or points the wand at a place where you aren't 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:35260 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4071 09:58 <@Tone> MR should be difficult to attain though, shouldn't it? If you were to allow it in more slots then it would making building an ascension kit that much easier 09:59 <@Tone> Due do the 3.6 MC nerfs, players now actually have to make strategic decisions, which is a good thing in my eyes 10:00 i don't feel like i am able to make decisions. I feel like I need to wear gray dragon scale mail, period. I see no other viable option 10:00 i guess my option is to either get it via wish or reverse genocide 10:00 <@Tone> As a monk fighting Rodney? 10:00 <@Tone> Or for every role? 10:01 <@Tone> You can have gdsm, comr, or magicbane 10:01 GDSM for every single role except monk, where I use a cloak of magic resistance and accept having terrible MC, and spend the whole time thinking the devs made a huge mistake 10:01 <@Tone> Then there are the quest artis but those leave you somewhat vulnerable to the Wizard of Yendor 10:01 s/somewhat/extremely/ 10:01 that's more because a) the lack of MRtifacts b) the rodney arti stealing buff 10:01 <@Tone> Although I think the vast majority of players don't have to worry about that so much 10:02 arti stealing buff made the opposite what was actually intended by tungtn 10:02 cloak of magic resistance is too much of a liability because of its low MC, and you can't just wield magicbane all the time. 10:02 related https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1867 10:02 <@Tone> I think you are overvaluing MC a bit 10:03 ok, maybe a bit but only because they made ring of protection +1 MC 10:03 lol stenno 10:04 MC keeps your day from being ruined in so many ways... I really, really don't like to give it up. But I do sometimes, like with the present monk. I have only MC1 in gehennom 10:04 MC2 is good enough (disclaimer: only played with Exca so far, maybe it's worse without drain res) 10:05 <@Tone> Honestly my philosophy since the 3.6 MC3 nerf is that if there's an effect that I want to avoid, even MC3 doesn't keep me safe enough so I'll deal with it at range or whatever 10:05 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:67989 10:06 i agree that MC isn't as big of a deal as MR 10:06 it is imperfect protection even at MC3, and the effects it prevents against aren't instadeaths 10:06 <@Tone> Yeah Excal definitely helps a lot with not having MC 10:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:06 i am mostly worried about c / green P / blue R 10:07 whew! wrested my last wish and probably saved my game. 10:07 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 10:07 * stennowork kicks stennoootc 10:08 my laptop wakes up every hour to check for mails 10:08 and the like 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:35863 10:08 <@Tone> I don't worry much about c but I usually deal with slimes and disenchanters at range 10:08 but both slimes and disenchanters can be summoned right next to you :( 10:09 imo Disenchanters are overrated in non-conduct games 10:09 it's similar to rodneys curse attack 10:09 <@Tone> Yeah I agree with that 10:09 a minor nuisance but easily fixed again assuming lategame resources 10:09 they are my second genocide after master mind flayers 10:10 not L? 10:10 definitely not L 10:10 arch-lich is my first one 10:10 (pre-castle) 10:10 i like having +7 and +8 weapons, and +5 helms of brilliance and gauntlets of dexterity, and it's hard to regain that level of enchantment if you lose it 10:10 which is unacceptable to me 10:11 especially with blunt artifact weapons 10:11 also, L shows me where the stairs are. They're buddies 10:12 my solution for c's is to pick them up and bag them before a soldier grabs it and whacks me with it. I also never travel with one in open inventory. 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28808 10:12 <@Tone> genocide L and you'll have less green slimes and disenchanters appearing next to you :P 10:12 not much less though -- in the endgame you just have them appearing next to you all the time no matter what 10:13 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:14 well, anyway... i just hate disenchanters. And I like having nice weapons and armor 10:14 for me it doesn't make a difference if my weapon is +6 or +7 tbh... same with armor 10:14 hehe fair enough 10:14 +5 helm of brilliance is one tier above +4 for humans 10:14 so it matters 10:14 L and h are my first genocides. I keep scrolls of fire handy in case I get slimed. Onset is slow enough that it doesn't instakill 10:14 and +8 or +9 excalibur takes a lot of work, and it's sad to lose it 10:15 i don't like to be sad 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:28942 10:17 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:68013 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 7734 points, T:7277, killed by a giant mimic 10:22 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 10:23 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 10:29 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:12452 10:33 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:39026 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:39111 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:39148 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:39150 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "the blessed greased fixed +2 T-shirt named Gray Dragon Scale Mall", on T:39292 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger named [+0] on an altar, on T:4432 11:22 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 11:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 11:28 "Thou shalt be my Envoy of Balance!" A sword appears at your feet! 11:29 not that I'm complaining, but, uh, I'm a monk or something - shouldn't I get that crappy awful spellbook of restore ability 11:34 not if you already have it i think? 11:35 or if you're wielding an artifact weapon i think 11:35 the rules are kinda hard to understand 11:36 you can also use crowning to unrestrict any weapon skill you want, say, boomerangs 11:46 oh right 11:49 kind of glad I didn't know that - I just ended up getting gifted Magicbane because I didn't want to wish for it since I figured there'd be no way to get dagger unrestricted 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] bigbert (Val Dwa Fem Law), 251 points, T:609, killed by a werejackal 11:54 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:08 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 12:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law), 329 points, T:1344, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:13 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17 whoa, blessed +5 shield 12:17 "we're done here. the rest of you can go home" 12:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43099 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:43103 12:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:43110 12:25 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 12:34 I might've fixed the inventory weight thing. 12:34 Or I might've made it so that the player will be randomly crushed by MAX_INT-weights of nothing. 12:51 YANI: In addition to his regular weapon punching attacks, give Croesus an AD_SGLD attack to steal the player's gold. 12:55 No, on reflection it's still broken. 12:58 Huh, for some reason dnh Croesus is NOT blinged out with solid gold weapons and armor. 12:58 Oh man. xnethack needs to have that too. And K2 would probably want to put it in grunthack. 12:59 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 12:59 * K2 wants solid gold armor 13:00 actually in grunthack, gold armor spawns randomly 13:00 also platnium 13:01 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 13:01 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 13:02 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 13:03 Croesus' possessions: a - 4 tiny gold pieces. 13:03 Huh 13:03 -_- 13:05 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 13:05 hello 13:05 Hello jonathanhanes, Welcome to #hardfought 13:05 thanks beholderbot 13:05 <@FrightBox> Hi 13:05 Hello @FrightBox, Welcome to #hardfought 13:05 <@FrightBox> Nice 13:07 <@FrightBox> !8ball does the croseus fork of yourself make you feel insecure beholderbot? 13:07 @FrightBox: As I see it, yes 13:07 <@FrightBox> K2 ^ 13:08 aww it's ok beholder. after november we're gonna toss croesus in the garbage like the gaudy trash he is 13:08 you said beholderbot 13:08 not 'beholder' 13:08 :D 13:09 <@FrightBox> !8ball what pronouns do you prefer? 13:09 @FrightBox: Signs point to yes 13:09 hi K2 13:09 * Chris_ANG hasn't implemented material-based value, so a gold plate mail is no more valuable than regular plate mail :( 13:09 <@spookidream> hey jonathanhanes 13:09 !beer everyone 13:09 jonathanhanes: Burrrrp! 13:09 <@spookidream> long time no see 13:09 It's been a minute 13:10 <@spookidream> back for November? :p 13:10 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 13:10 heya 13:10 Yah going to try and compete since I missed junethack due to real life obligations 13:10 :( 13:10 * stenno\ootc kicks stennowork 13:11 K2: could you kick stennowork from #hardfought ? 13:11 forgot to close the client at work 13:12 actually never mind, it's not that important, sorry 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:43478 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:43479 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43515 13:17 Who' 13:17 !who 13:17 aosdict: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh362] | [hdf-eu] oh6 [tnnt] spontiff [nh362] puck [fh] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:56216 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44277 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44719 13:29 aw man, forgot ludios 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45168 13:33 <@spookidream> jonathanhanes: you in ootc chat? 13:35 no 13:35 send link? 13:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1999 13:43 -!- Luxidwarf has joined #hardfought 13:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:44 $10 for the windows 10 hexchat app 13:44 >.> 13:45 who does that? 13:45 * stenno\ootc didn't pay for hexchat 13:45 i thought it was a OSS clone of xchat 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll of enchant weapon on an altar, on T:3585 13:46 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 13:46 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:45339 13:46 https://github.com/HexChat/hexchat 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45340 13:47 -!- Luxidwarf has quit [Client Quit] 13:47 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Quit: *poof*] 13:49 poof 13:49 who you callin a poof 13:49 rule 3: no pooftahs 13:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:54 <@Tone> Hey jonathanhanes πŸ˜„ 13:55 howdy 13:55 why does it say @tone next to your name? 13:55 <@Tone> rld is just the discord relay bot 13:56 <@Tone> Sending messages from me, Tone 13:56 got it 13:56 I thought so 13:56 <@Tone> You've seen this from the discord side plenty of times before, haven't you? πŸ˜„ 13:57 yah but not from this end I think, at least not for a while. memory cells are going left and right XD 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:45713 14:00 -!- Ashpool has quit [Quit: cya] 14:00 -!- Ashpool has joined #hardfought 14:00 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6932 points, T:4310, killed by a fire elemental, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1551400 points, T:45734, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hypnotist/nh361/dumplog/1540356746.nh361.txt 14:03 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Quit: stealing from shopkeepers] 14:03 that is the first time i have permanently changed alignment, and it worked pretty well. I guess if I had known I would get so shafted in the main dungeon, i would just have started neutral. 14:03 "You were neutral, belatedly on a mission for Chih Sung-tzu" haha 14:04 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 14:04 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 14:05 -!- stennowork was kicked from #hardfought by K2 [cuz stenno told me to] 14:05 oh i see 14:06 *pic of two spidermans* 14:06 It says I need to register with freenode before I can join 14:06 yeah you should register 14:07 how are you even talking here without being registered? 14:07 oh, well I guess the spam wave has long passed 14:07 well it says my name is already registered 14:08 err 14:10 did you register it before? 14:10 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 14:10 -!- jonathanhanes has left #hardfought 14:10 think I've got it 14:11 hmm maybe not 14:11 I don't remember setting up a password or registering 14:11 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 14:16 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 14:17 -!- jonathanhanes_ has quit [Quit: stealing from shopkeepers] 14:19 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 14:21 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:21 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Client Quit] 14:21 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 14:26 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 14:27 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 14:28 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 14:32 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 14:36 lol thx K2 14:36 -!- ShivanHunter has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:38 -!- ShivanHunter has joined #hardfought 14:39 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 14:40 -!- introsp3ctive-m has joined #hardfought 14:48 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 14:48 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 14:48 -!- introsp3ctive-m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48 -!- introsp3ctive-m has joined #hardfought 14:49 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 14:49 -!- introsp3ctive-m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 14:52 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Hea Gno Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:17999 14:55 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 14:58 ;) 15:04 -!- Luxidream has quit [Quit: *poof*] 15:05 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:11 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1030 points, T:1729, killed by a giant spider 15:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2801 15:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:32 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:38 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:68389 15:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1770 points, T:1873, killed by something while blind 15:47 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:53 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:69183 15:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:02 what's the trick to finding the portal on the plane of earth (in Un)? 16:02 I've carved out a pretty sizeable chunk here and still haven't found it. 16:03 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:69784 16:03 it's not in the rocks, it's in one of the different pockets 16:08 I'm not sure there's room for any more pockets considering how much I've carved out. 16:13 finally... 16:18 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:70641 16:33 this game is toast. Lost my primary weapon on plane of fire under an archon storm 16:34 !!! bouquet: no way to just make a run for it? 16:35 can't find the portal and I'm totally surrounded. 16:35 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Quit: stealing from shopkeepers] 16:36 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 16:36 omg that sucks :( 16:37 <@spookidream> any wishes left 16:38 or a wand of teleport with 1 or more charges 16:38 ... or casting cause fear / charm monster ... i'm guessing you've thought of all this stuff 16:38 to make a bit of space at least 16:39 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 16:39 -!- Bugpowder_ has joined #hardfought 16:39 can you at least detect the portal so you know which way to try to move? 16:39 I'm charming as much as I can ;) 16:40 ah right 16:40 this is Un... no conf gold detect :( 16:40 argh 16:40 <@spookidream> bring a crystal ball next time 16:40 no crystal ball either? 16:40 not a single one all game 16:40 gah, just now you really need one 16:40 i'm assuming you would wear the "oY if you could 16:42 YANI: underwear 16:42 or at least pants, jeez 16:43 thong gives +1 dox 16:43 dex 16:43 finally, managed to charm some archons 16:43 boxers give fire resistance 16:43 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 16:44 charmed archons??? i didn't know that was possible 16:45 <@spookidream> They don’t have 100% mr 16:45 <@spookidream> takes a few tries though 16:46 omg 16:46 stumbled upon it finally 16:46 yay! 16:48 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:70967 16:50 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 16:50 -!- Bugpowder_ is now known as Bugpowder 16:50 I can't believe this. 16:52 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1669410 points, T:71005, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/un531/dumplog/1539832313.un531.txt.html 16:52 my proudest moment! 16:52 It's time to consume an alcoholic beverage to celebrate! 16:53 congratulations! 16:53 grats!!! 16:53 yes, consume an alcoholic beverage by all means if you're so inclined! 16:53 Go team @! 16:53 im gunna go to good will today and find a cheap thinkpad or the like to make into a dedinethack machine 16:53 * raisse gives bouquet a potion of booze 16:54 winny: around here the computer recycling places will sell used gear for <$100. 16:55 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:56 never came across GoP in that run. 16:56 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 16:57 ugh, that was a loooooong week of play time: PT07:01:03 16:58 I managed to kill 37 master mindflayers. That's a personal record for me :) 17:00 most plentiful monster in the entire game by a lot were human zombies. 17:03 human zombies are so trendy 17:04 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:04 <[Demo]1> winny go find a good 90s one 17:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:6416 17:10 bhaak: that was the hardest and most rewarding ascension I've ever completed. Thanks! 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3759 17:16 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 17:17 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:18 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 17:19 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 17:20 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:7115 17:28 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 17:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:40 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 17:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] zor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1311 points, T:756, killed by a watch captain, while sleeping off a magical draught 17:47 <@Tone> 'grats bouquet πŸ˜„ 17:50 <@FrightBox> Grats 17:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3962 points, T:5626, killed by a white unicorn 17:51 the one thing I remember about playing unnethack is getting the Plane of Fire packed to the brim with monsters due to rodney summonstorming archons 18:07 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 18:08 -!- introsp3ctive-m has joined #hardfought 18:11 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:12 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 18:14 bouquet wwwoooo! 18:24 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:27 -!- introsp3ctive-m has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:28 is summonstorming a Good Thing(tm) or is it just ultra-difficulty level stuff for the endgame because there's no alternate mechanic for difficulty at that level? 18:28 just summon more and more until the player can't even move. 18:28 bouquet: it was tedious and awful. I hated it. 18:29 The only way I could get across the level was by taming the monsters around me, displacing them to move forward one step, rinse and repeat 18:29 indeed. I suffered similar challenges on the plane of fire. At least on earth there are limits to where baddies can spawn 18:29 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 18:30 Is that an Un thing? I've never hung around the planes long enough in vanilla to find out. I can always cursed/gold-detect find the portal pretty quick 18:31 Dunno. That was the only game of Un where I got that far. 18:31 I've completed triathlons that were less tedius! 18:32 the biggest challenge in getting through those mega-summons situations is managing the information flow. The ncurses interface makes that MUCH more bearable. 18:32 I never did a triathlon, except once and then only the bicycle part as part of a relay team. Maybe I should sign up for one. 18:33 don't start calling it the "ncurses interface", it will just confuse people 18:33 perm_inventory is nice, but having 10 lines of message output at the top is life changing 18:33 <[Demo]1> a triathlon but instead of running, hang gliding 18:34 my favorite triathlon is Beer, Pizza, and Billiards. 18:34 There's no particular reason why tty couldn't just use spare lines at the top for multiline messages. 18:34 Except it would look kind of bad. 18:35 If messages could be categorized into a couple different blobs and output in their own little corners it might help clean up some of the info-splatter. 18:39 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:43 <[Demo]1> thats a good triathlon 18:54 [hdf-us] [fh] MetaMauz (metamauz) (Val Hum Fem Law), 53284 points, T:5792, killed by a troll 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1535 points, T:3580, quit 19:11 YANI: Artifact grappling hook "The Captain's Hook". The main thing it does is work as a grappling hook that never fails to do what you ask it to do, regardless of skill. Double damage versus crocodiles. 19:19 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 19:21 +1 19:22 what are grappling hooks good for? They weigh more than they're useful for. I've never heard of someone effectively employing a hook in a real game. 19:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:29340 19:24 play some xnh arcs. IMO the only reason they're never used is because they're so rare. 19:24 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has joined #hardfought 19:24 Nobody ever even finds one. 19:26 their utility is minimal. At best you can grab something out of a pit. Pits are minimally dangerous once you have poison resistance so I'd rather climb down and see a list than grab one item at a time. 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 T-shirt", on T:29353 19:27 you can also use them to cross water and other hazards 19:27 I'd rather levitate :) 19:27 and sources of levitation are plentiful compared to grappling hooks. 19:28 ...but an artifact grappling hook would be cool, nonetheless 19:28 Maybe the 2-square radius of them should be increased. 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:29376 19:31 if there was some cool trick that they could be used for, like stealing from a shop (requires a stealth check), or acting as an improvised bridal for a rideable steed? 19:31 if there's no saddle 19:32 if monsters used them to drag you to their location that would be cool. 19:33 How would you use a grappling hook to ride a monster? 19:34 "improvised" - it's got a rope attached to it. Slide the rope through the steed's mouth and secure with grapple. 19:34 I'm just trying to save the grappling hook from the bitbucket. 19:35 so then for maximum TDTTOE it wouldn't work on mouthless steeds 19:35 it's one of those things that the ranger always put on his character sheet in the AD&D days but I don't think it was ever used. 19:35 Clearly archaeologist should be able to cross water etc with the bullwhip (making grappling hooks marginally less useful, sorry) 19:35 what steed is mouthless? I can't think of any off the top of my head. 19:35 bouquet: Well, considering that grappling hooks are _mainly_ used for improvised climbing, I don't expect a 2D game would use it much. 19:36 indeed 19:36 I like ais523's idea that you can drop a hook down a hole to give you a ladder down to the next level, but this would require... several overhauls. 19:37 it'd be nice to be able to gently climb into pits to retrieve stuff without having to "fall" into them. 19:37 Stuff like that shouldn't be limited to grappling hooks, you should just be able to m-move into pits safely (maybe not spiked pits though). 19:37 right now I just walk over a pit an and fall into it to retrieve the goodies. A grapple would make that a more elegant maneuver. 19:38 I'll have to try that. 19:40 naw, m-move towards a pit says "You fall into your pit!" and I still take damage 19:40 bouquet: this is how it should be. 19:40 not how it is. 19:40 got it. 19:40 I misunderstood you. 19:42 poor grappling hook. 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:29726 19:50 another strike against grappling hooks is they can't be turned into useful items (?ofAmnesia can be blanked at least) 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:29943 19:51 How is it possible to cast spells as valk? 19:52 read spellbooks and cast them with Z, same as anyone else? 19:52 There are some extremely useful spells I have in my repretoire, but I just keep failing to csat them. 19:52 *cast 19:52 NewbProgrammer10: What's the displayed failure chance? 19:52 I can't move in zapm 19:52 Pinkbeast: 100% 19:52 How do I lower that? 19:52 standard spellcasting techniques: get rid of metal armor, wear robe and helm of brilliance. 19:53 increase level and int/wis if possible. 19:53 Hm, that's tough when I want to maintain a -6 AC. 19:53 NewbProgrammer10: Then I'm not sure why you're surprised you keep failing, but as aosdict says. For Valks, spellcasting is strictly out of combat utility 19:53 That's unfortunate :/ 19:53 oh vikeys were off >_> 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:30052 19:55 Is it possible to maintain 3 pets (two horses, one dog) without any complications? 19:56 Horses tend to starve. 20:00 Hm. 20:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5532 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a fire elemental, on T:5742 20:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5743 20:12 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:14 Ok, now I have three horses. 20:14 * NewbProgrammer10 shrugs 20:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:31216 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:31226 20:35 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 20:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:31843 20:44 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31903 20:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31904 20:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] zor (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3662 points, T:1923, killed by a fire ant 20:53 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 3 points, T:32, killed by a sewer rat 20:59 pretty sure i just got this +6 long sword off a hill orc 20:59 that's an all right weapon my pal 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 21991 points, T:10874, killed by an air elemental 21:06 Ah well, better luck next time. 21:06 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 729477 points, T:57013, quit 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Kni Hum Mal Law), 258 points, T:1014, killed by a brown mold 21:21 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 4551 points, T:2657, killed by bumping into a wall, while moving through the air 21:21 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 21:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (arch-lich), on T:8364 22:15 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 22:23 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:31 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 22:38 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 22:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 22:45 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 22:47 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 22:48 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 490 points, T:1705, killed by a wand 22:55 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 23:02 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12539 23:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9483 23:47 is there a spoiler for ZAPM somewhere that gives weapon damages? 23:49 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 23:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 23:50 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 23:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:3275