00:03 <NewbProgrammer10> Yes I fought this nymph naked so it wouldn't put me to sleep, giving me more control of the situation.
00:03 <NewbProgrammer10> However, that rendered me vulnerable to other lurking monsters.
00:03 * NewbProgrammer10 shrugs
00:04 <rld> <@spookidream> unless it has a wand of sleep it can't put you to sleep
00:04 <NewbProgrammer10> The nymph I fought had one.
00:05 <bouquet> YANI: (a)pply 2 candles, 1 bottle of booze in the same room as a nymph to make her peaceful.
00:05 <NewbProgrammer10> TIL
00:05 <NewbProgrammer10> Do I throw the bottle of booze to the nymph?
00:06 <bouquet> maybe if she picks one up.
00:06 <NewbProgrammer10> Ok.
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00:13 <NewbProgrammer10> DynaHack blows my mind.
00:13 <rld> <@spookidream> why
00:13 <rld> <@spookidream> ?
00:14 <NewbProgrammer10> Different layout.
00:14 <rld> <@spookidream> nitrohack based variants look like that
00:14 <NewbProgrammer10> You don't have to constantly press i for inventory since you already have it available there.
00:14 <NewbProgrammer10> nitrohack?
00:14 <rld> <@spookidream> you can get that in vanilla too
00:14 <rld> <@spookidream> the inventory sidebar
00:14 <NewbProgrammer10> You can?
00:15 <rld> <@spookidream> yeah
00:15 <NewbProgrammer10> how?
00:15 <rld> <@spookidream> enable curses interface
00:16 <rld> <@spookidream> OPTIONS=windowtype:curses
00:16 <NewbProgrammer10> Ok.
00:17 <rld> <@spookidream> OPTIONS=perm_invent
00:17 <rld> <@spookidream> that too
00:17 <NewbProgrammer10> Wow.
00:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4 points, T:107, killed by a kobold zombie
00:20 <NewbProgrammer10> Anyways, I'm off to venture to the unknown realms in which my head has to offer for me (sleep)
00:21 <NewbProgrammer10> cya guys later.
00:21 <rld> <@reapersan> cya
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00:25 <winny> help
00:25 <winny> i need a cheap and small personal nethack machine
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00:29 <bouquet> used android + gurrhack!
00:30 <bouquet> or spin up a cheap AWS machine, git clone the repo, build, play, profit!
00:31 <winny> the trick is good human computer interface
00:32 <winny> like i've played over ssh with a regular ssh client on my iphone but the keyboard doesn't facilitate much easily
00:32 <bouquet> ya, that's nearly impossible.
00:33 <bouquet> Gurr made pretty much the best nethack phone ui I can imagine. 
00:33 <bouquet> but it's only local play.
00:33 <winny> i remember an early version of rogue for ios had a really good input scheme
00:33 <bouquet> but it's 3.6.1
00:33 <bouquet> so it's got that going for which is nice
00:34 <winny> tbh i think it might be better to get something with a physical keyboard
00:34 <winny> then i'd have something a bit more managable
00:34 <bouquet> I tried that. Got a bt keyboard for my android and it arrived broken. Got a replacement... arrived broken. Gave up.
00:35 <winny> oh, i was thinking proper all in one tablet pc, internet tablet, umpc, or tiny laptop
00:35 <bouquet> I planned to chromecast my screen to a 60" LCD and play.
00:35 <winny> like the nokia n810 could do if it weren't for the rather undersupported hardware by modern linux (afaict)
00:35 <bouquet> well, a chromebook is cheap
00:35 <winny> hmm, that is an option
00:35 <bouquet> raspi?
00:36 <winny> i think im gunna get a machine, install nothing on it except for openssh and networking
00:36 <winny> and just nethack 24/7 on it
00:36 <bouquet> definitely sounds like a job for a rasberry pi
00:36 <winny> 'the dedihack machine'
00:36 <winny> mmm, raspi could work with a good enclosure and battery
00:36 <bouquet> oh, needs to travel?
00:36 <winny> i do have a pi zero w somewhere
00:36 <winny> ideally
00:36 <winny> for in bed and in lectures
00:37 <bouquet> I'm thinking a cheap laptop or chromebook.
00:37 <bouquet> how about a dedicated processor solely to run nethack. Optimized for ascii gaming at 60Hz!
00:38 <bouquet> get the EE team on it!
00:38 <winny> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC2.A0.H0.Xnokia+n810.TRS0&_nkw=nokia+n810&_sacat=0
00:38 <winny> yes!
00:39 <winny> there was a thread on nethackwiki awhile back and nothing really came to fruition
00:39 <bouquet> nite!
00:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8101
01:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:48700
01:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:48802
01:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:48935
01:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:48936
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02:03 <attie> lol, bouquet, that's a terrible idea. I haven't done actual profiling but my hunch is that nethack is square in what general purpose processors are great at!
02:04 <attie> lots of function calls, mountains of ifs, special cases everywhere. it would be a nightmare to try to make hardware for!
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02:38 <oh6> if you fed Nethack into an FPGA compiler, the compiler would just burst into tears
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02:41 <attie> I haven't done any high-level synthesis but I am fairly sure it would be absolutely impossible to synthesize...
02:43 <oh6> well, not *impossible*, but you'd just end up synthesizing a processor and a bunch of memory
02:45 <attie> the synthesizable subset of C is really restricted though, afaik
02:45 <attie> if, as a human, you wanted to do it, yes you'd just build a processor
02:45 <attie> but automatically? don't think we're at a level where we can deal with that thorny code
02:46 <oh6> yeah, I don't imagine it could be done automatically
02:47 <attie> I've done a little bit of softcore ASIP before, but I can't even particularly think of hotspots that would make a good custom instruction.
02:47 <attie> rnz maybe?
02:50 <attie> you need large amounts of calculation, preferably with just the standard 2 arguments
02:50 <oh6> redesign it as a massively parallel system - every monster has its own mini-core!
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02:52 <attie> get better monster AI
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03:30 <winny> machine learning mosters
03:56 <rld> <@IDF> That when you chat with them you can make intelectual conversasions
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05:17 <ShivanHunter> lol. 4x8 beehive and only 4 lumps of royal jelly
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06:56 <raisse> ... and now, of course, I don't meet any spiders.
06:57 <raisse> before being killed by a dwarf
06:57 <raisse> never mind, I'll just assume the bug is in 3.6.2 generally and report it on the website
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07:08 <K2> TNNT updated (all servers)
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08:08 <[Demo]> whats a good name for a group of branches where you choose which one you want?
08:10 <rld> <@Tone> Do the branches themselves have any theme?
08:10 <[Demo]> yes but each branch has a different theme
08:11 <[Demo]> and im trying to establish a name for the whole group of options
08:11 <[Demo]> maybe i could call them the adventure branches :P
08:11 <rld> <@Tone> that's not bad
08:11 <rld> <@Tone> What's the flavor behind getting to choose them?
08:12 <[Demo]> the village wizard opens a portal to the one you select
08:13 <[Demo]> calling them village branches just confuses people and makes them misunderstand what the village is :P
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08:17 <aosdict> Since they all seem to be wilderness, not really permanently inhabited or built up, you could call them the Wilds.
08:17 <[Demo]> are gnomish mines really that wild?
08:18 <[Demo]> I do like the idea of the wilds cause that sounds cool
08:19 <aosdict> oh, the gnomish mines are not a wild
08:19 <aosdict> I thought they weren't one of the options
08:19 <[Demo]> eh but theres also a kobold establishment in the swamps
08:19 <[Demo]> and an ice town in the ice caves
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08:26 <Chris_ANG> .
08:26 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Messages from @reapersan have been forwarded to you privately.
08:27 <Chris_ANG> Fixed the flood issues with Beholder, I see :)
08:29 <Tangles> Chris_ANG: maybe...
08:30 <Tangles> I remember looking at it and thinking it should not have been an issue in the first place.  Can't remember whether I actually changed anything.
08:31 <Chris_ANG> [Demo]: "Surface" seems wrong, but perhaps close.
08:32 <Chris_ANG> Since it's dnh-based, possibly "ravine"
08:32 <Chris_ANG> Tangles: I think last time it got to only 2 messages before dying, so something seems to have improved.
08:32 <Chris_ANG> Though, maybe it was on freenode's end.
08:35 <Tangles> possible.  The framework has rate-limiting built in, and istr this was set to a sane value, but I may have tuned it back some more. Good to know it's working better now anyway.
08:35 <Chris_ANG> [Demo]: I think I know how I would flavor such a thing: the wizard ("lost wizard?" "traveling wizard") asks where the Dungeons of Doom are located (resulting in a prompt), and whatever you tell him becomes true.
08:36 <aosdict> Tangles: I think one time beholder crashed while PMing Chris_ANG
08:36 <[Demo]> not a bad idea
08:39 <aosdict> the traveling wizard, who will debug-mode stuff for you if you ask nicely
08:39 <Tangles> aosdict: yeah it did. excess flood will trigger regardless of where the messages are going.
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09:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4340 points, T:4789, killed by a giant spider
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10:21 <bug_sniper> !who
10:21 <Beholder> bug_sniper: [hdf-us] oh6 [tnnt] Karnac [tnnt] Luxidream [tnnt] zoya [nh362] k2 [xnh] | [hdf-eu] HalNovek [tnnt] | [hdf-au] No current players
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10:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 2194 points, T:2974, killed by a gnome lord
10:40 <PavelB> !lastgame k2
10:40 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1535944141.xnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/nhfourk/dumps/2018-10-07%2003%3A07%3A15%2C%20k2-Wiz-Syl-Fem-Neu%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/splicehack/dumplog/1532712486.splice.txt
10:46 <aosdict> !lastgame
10:46 <Beholder> aosdict: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1535944141.xnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nh361/dumplog/1540291974.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/a/attie/nh361/dumplog/1537865618.nh361.txt
10:46 <aosdict> !lastgame xnh
10:46 <Beholder> aosdict: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1535944141.xnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/w/wvc/xnethack/dumplog/1537788410.xnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1532060298.xnh.txt
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11:28 <bouquet> howdy
11:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "greased holy fireproof +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:25759
11:29 <bouquet> in UnNethack am I safe from the monster spell "destroy armor" if I have a cloak of MR?
11:30 <bouquet> I hate that attack so much.
11:31 <LanternTrickya> I think it protects you; in spork it doesn't
11:31 <bouquet> Just want to make double plus sure that Un doesn't have some special case where I confidently go into gehennom and learn that MR doesn't 100% protect against it.
11:32 <bouquet> I even loaded up on spare MR cloaks and speedboots just in case.
11:32 <bouquet> Thanks, LanternTrickya. Good enough for me!
11:34 <LanternTrickya> the real problem is that erosion can destroy stuff in un, so you'll want to fireproof your cloak
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11:35 <bouquet> all fooproofed. I've been lucky with magic markers so I had an abundance of enchant armor scrolls.
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11:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:4, killed by a falling rock
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11:49 <rld> <@FrightBox> lucky with magic markers, you say?
11:49 <rld> <FrightBox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/504320551712587788/unknown.png
11:50 <rld> <@FrightBox> for the record all of those started above 80 charge
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11:55 <K2> heh
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12:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10563
12:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 26618 points, T:11235, killed by a priestess of The Lady, while paralyzed by a monster
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13:31 <Chris_ANG> Oh hey, that orc town change sounds kind of neat.
13:31 <Chris_ANG> (re: that discussion on the wiki's forum section <_<)
13:32 <aosdict> if you want to reimplement it, make sure you get stenno to tell you exactly how it could be really cool if generalized but isn't generalized at all
13:42 <Chris_ANG> YANI: Alchemic golem. Killing it drops random potions, and its melee attacks expose you to random potions or potion vapors.
13:45 <aosdict> And sometimes it blows up by itself.
13:47 <Chris_ANG> Lol, yeah.  Perhaps a low chance per hit, and a higher chance each time you hit it.
13:47 <Chris_ANG> It blowing up scatters potions around, which shatter from the impact unless they hit something "soft"
13:48 <aosdict> does the existing scatter code have anything soft?
13:48 <Chris_ANG> (How robust is the drop-potion code?  Do potions shatter if they hit water?)
13:48 <aosdict> dunno but 
13:49 <aosdict> I'm inclined to say that would not smash it
13:49 <Chris_ANG> Hum.  Under what conditions do objects scatter right now?
13:50 <aosdict> drawbridge explosion scatters iron chains in 3.6, and some variants scatter boh contents when one blows up
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13:52 <[Demo]1> this might work well with ndnh gnome vaping patch
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14:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3909
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14:29 <nooodle> whatttt... worm teeth fuse when you enchant them? that's annoying
14:29 <aosdict> nooodle: what would you think of a change in which each extra worm tooth fused in gives +1 to the resulting crysknife
14:30 <nooodle> i think I would rather just split the stack, have one of the worm teeth become a +0 crysknife and the other stack remain as teeth
14:30 <nooodle> and if the split results in too many items, the teeth are dropped on the floor
14:30 <LanternTrickya> having a +20 crysknife would probably outdamage most every other weapon :D
14:31 <aosdict> LanternTrickya: Well it would be capped somewhere like +9
14:32 <nooodle> i don't think i want a mechanic that incentivizes yet more reverse genocide
14:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2996 points, T:3271, killed by a straw golem
14:37 <[Demo]> uh hmmm
14:37 <[Demo]> dynamically generating enterance to vlads on the first level of the adventure branch the user picks is a pretty funny mess
14:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] zor (Und Dop Mal Neu), 237 points, T:688, killed by a small mimic
14:46 <Chris_ANG> [Demo]: It might enough to hook into the place_branch() function in mklev and re-directing it to the appropriate level.
14:49 <Chris_ANG> I'm not sure what happens if you try to have the same BRANCH: specified multiple times in dungeon.def
14:55 <PavelB> [Demo]: what is this "gnome vaping"
14:56 <aosdict> YASI: As an xkcd reference, very rarely christen a female gnome "Gnome Ann"
14:58 <Muad> nice
14:59 <LanternTrickya> more slex monster ideas, yay! keep 'em coming :)
15:00 <aosdict> LanternTrickya: hyperactive desk lamp. Emits light in a radius of 2. High speed, comparable to air elementals. Attacks by butting, since it doesn't have claws or teeth.
15:00 <aosdict> Oh, and can flash you in the eyes to blind you.
15:00 <aosdict> y-class, obviously.
15:01 <LanternTrickya> haha cool :) team y is also one of the teams that needs more members, thanks! will implement!
15:04 <jonadab> I still think the Plane of Air needs a unique monster called "the pilot", which should be a y.
15:05 <jonadab> Because double pun -- "airplane pilot" / "pilot light".
15:05 <LanternTrickya> jonadab: it's on the to-do list but not implemented yet
15:13 <Chris_ANG> [Demo]: After some experimenting with the Gnome ranger quest, it looks like you can safely edit the sstairs global to create the branch stairs without going through the usual process.
15:13 <Chris_ANG> I plan to add a clause to the post-level-gen modifications section in mkmaze.c, I'll let you know how it goes.
15:13 <[Demo]1> I got the floating stair branch working
15:14 <[Demo]1> didn't realize that ends were stored on the branch struct
15:14 <LanternTrickya> lol my victorian underwear reads "Serial Ascender" (thanks Chris_ANG for making such a wonderfully fleecy base item ♥)
15:14 <[Demo]1> and not some overarching dungeon topology struct
15:14 <Chris_ANG> :)
15:16 <[Demo]1> and now instead of making unique ravines for each adventure branch I'll just do a little bit of adjustment based on u.ubranch
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15:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:38570
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15:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Sam Hum NB Law), 563 points, T:432, killed by a gnome
16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Val Hum Fem Law), 174 points, T:709, killed by a jackal
16:15 <[Demo]1> https://i.imgur.com/xMfkBFX.png wow, dismal swamp ravine is actually ok
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16:15 <LanternTrickya> [Demo]1: that level looks familiar ;)
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16:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Rog Hum NB Cha), 232 points, T:791, killed by a dwarf
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16:27 <[Demo]1> hmm what would the fill levels for a mountain branch be like?
16:30 <nooodle> snowwww
16:30 <nooodle> the roaring of angry bears
16:30 <aosdict> stone first, then snow later
16:30 <[Demo]1> how am i exhausting my options of highly different branches with only 4?
16:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pir Hum Fem Cha), 164 points, T:565, killed by a magic missile
16:32 <nooodle> And when you look at this branch / tell me please, what do you see -- it's just a boring old branch! -- maybe to you, but not to me
16:33 <[Demo]1> i already have an ice cave branch
16:33 <[Demo]1> I really dont want to do a lava one
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16:37 <[Demo]1> cause it would just be too much like the ice branch but fire instead
16:38 <aosdict> Gehennom special room YANI: ice cavern, spotty iced floor (and unnethack style iced walls lending an irregular shape, too, maybe) and populated with ice devils.
16:41 <nooodle> don't think real-world environments, think like... environments that go with the monsters and items of the game
16:41 <nooodle> like a hospital for nurses, or a nymphy glade
16:41 <aosdict> other YANI: ice theme up Asmodeus' lair some, indicate to the player that he has nasty cold magic
16:41 <nooodle> or a woodchuck tunnel
16:42 <[Demo]1> already have black forest
16:42 <[Demo]1> woodchuck tunnel wouldnt really be too different from mines
16:43 <bouquet> @FrightBox: pfft... only 3?  I have *4* magic markers!
16:44 <nooodle> no, it could be quite different from the mines
16:44 <nooodle> what about a K precinct
16:44 <nooodle> or like a lich mausoleum
16:45 <[Demo]1> dnh replace K with some weird shit i dont understand the lore behind and frankly nobody does
16:45 <nooodle> lol
16:45 <[Demo]1> oh yes a lich mausoleum as a branch from dlvl 4
16:45 <[Demo]1> great idea
16:45 <[Demo]1> players will love that :P
16:45 <aosdict> haha
16:50 <nooodle> well... yeah, level 4 is a little too early, although i would argue that it wouldn't hurt to have the run-of-the-mill lich appear a little earlier
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17:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 351 points, T:371, killed by a magic missile
17:46 <NewbProgrammer10> The usual.
17:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 610 points, T:1207, killed by a rabid rat
17:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 372 points, T:650, killed by a werejackal
18:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 41 points, T:79, killed by a jackal
18:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 91 points, T:505, killed by a bolt of lightning
18:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] yyy (Luxidream) (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "slime mold", on T:1
18:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] yyy (Luxidream) (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "Deck of Many Things", on T:2
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18:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] jasdjkablsjsdb (Luxidream) (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "cereal box named Fire Bran", on T:1
18:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] jasdjkablsjsdb (Luxidream) (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "", on T:2
18:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] y (Luxidream) (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "world peace", on T:1
18:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] saldbjksab (Luxidream) (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "", on T:1
18:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] saldbjksab (Luxidream) (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "candied blessed doggo named snoppy", on T:2
18:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 585 points, T:1029, killed by a gnome lord
18:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] jsadbjklakdb (Luxidream) (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "dead meme", on T:1
18:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] jsadbjklakdb (Luxidream) (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "3 dead memes", on T:2
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] jsadbjklakdb (Luxidream) (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "3 dead memes", on T:3
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] jsadbjklakdb (Luxidream) (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "DEATH", on T:12
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] jsadbjklakdb (Luxidream) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:13, killed by a death ray, in explore mode
18:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] askdjsdbk (Luxidream) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "orb of fate", on T:1
18:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] askdjsdbk (Luxidream) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "orb of fate", on T:2
18:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] askdjsdbk (Luxidream) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "sweet release of death", on T:3
18:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] askdjsdbk (Luxidream) (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:9, killed by touching The Orb of Fate, in explore mode
18:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] dfasflasjdfwejfiowjeifjweiof (Luxidream) (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "wand of washing cars", on T:1
18:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] dfasflasjdfwejfiowjeifjweiof (Luxidream) (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "Bulborb of Fate", on T:2
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18:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 736 points, T:1469, killed by a hobbit
18:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "the greased fixed holy +3 grayswandir", on T:41216
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18:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2088
18:29 <bouquet> lawl... can I get a wand of doing laundry?
18:30 <rld> <@FrightBox> sure can
18:30 <rld> <FrightBox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/504421480252178451/unknown.png
18:32 <rld> <@hairmachine> supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony!
18:38 <nooodle> so an electric eel has swung itself around me, I don't think I am likely to be able to kill it in one melee hit, and I have no other escape items on hand. I am also not sure if I can pray. Does praying even cause it to release me? Or should I just whack it with Grayswandir
18:39 <bouquet> whack it
18:39 <bouquet> I don't think they pull you under in 1 turn.  It takes a few.
18:40 <nooodle> the wiki says it's the second time its attack succeeds
18:40 <nooodle> i have -20 AC but i'm not sure if it goes through AC
18:40 <nooodle> whew i killed it in two whacks.
18:42 <bouquet> I'll be honest, I've never feared eels' drowning attack too much.  The electric eel's ring/wand blasting attack is bad news though.
18:42 <bouquet> especially if you're using a ring of levitation
18:43 <nooodle> i was using lev boots, and somehow i didn't think about their drowning attack, just their shock one. super stupid brain moment
18:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3732
18:48 <bouquet> I quit using my brain years ago. It's totally useless.
18:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:4777
18:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4777
18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] metamauz (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1077 points, T:2923, killed by a paper golem
18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 122 points, T:584, killed by a small mimic
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19:04 <NewbProgrammer10> !whereis Xaleth
19:04 <Beholder> NewbProgrammer10: [hdf-us] Xaleth [nh362]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:6059 Sokoban level: 7
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19:20 <jilles> nooodle, my favourite counter to drowning attacks is freezing the water they're in
19:21 <jilles> and especially for electric eels, boringly killing them at range
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19:22 <jilles> even thrown rocks or unskilled polearms do the job with enough hits
19:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Master Assassin, on T:44722
19:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44723
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19:59 <rld> <@Tone> Is it possible to filter tables by version on scoreboard.xd.cm?
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19:59 <rld> <@Tone> Like if I only wanted to see most conducts for 361 or something?
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20:10 <bouquet> jilles: I just tested this at the castle... the eels jumped out of the water and moved to an adjacent water square.
20:13 <bouquet> though, when you end up killing them their bodies are on top of the ice so you can eat them.
20:13 <rld> <@Tone> if you are grabbed they will let go of you though, which is the important part
20:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:46660
20:15 <bouquet> but what if they just want to cuddle
20:19 <nooodle> i do use the freezing thing sometimes, but in this case i had dropped all wands because I wasn't thinking. And didn't have a frost horn or cone of cold memorized, etc
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20:21 <rld> <@FrightBox> well eels DO just want to cuddle
20:21 <rld> <@FrightBox> but as it turns out their cuddling is just lethal to humans/dwarves/gnomes/elves/orcs
20:21 <nooodle> an entirely-underwater branch would be cool 
20:21 <nooodle> or just level
20:21 <rld> <@FrightBox> ToME 4 has one of those and it's pretty neat
20:21 <rld> <@Tone> or even a plane  :P
20:21 <rld> <@FrightBox> obviously need magical breathing for it
20:22 <rld> <@FrightBox> gross, please nothing else like plane of water
20:22 <nooodle> or be polymorphed into a creature that can be underwater
20:22 <rld> <@FrightBox> the past couple times i've been in plane of water i've walked onto the portal without realizing it despite reading confused gold detection
20:22 <rld> <@FrightBox> i cant figure it out
20:22 <rld> <@FrightBox> i've even tried to be better about using fast-travel to see if it's within sight
20:23 <nooodle> well, it's kind of annoying, but there's no way that I know of to determine if an object within sight has the magic portal under it
20:23 <rld> <@FrightBox> confused gold detect should make it visible to you once you're in it's bubble, right?
20:23 <nooodle> unless i'm missing something
20:23 <nooodle> if it's next to you then you can use '^'
20:23 <rld> <@FrightBox> oh really? so fast travel wouldn't do it?
20:23 <rld> <@Tone> You can use #terrain
20:23 <nooodle> when the trap is covered fast travel can't find it. 
20:23 <rld> <@FrightBox> fast travel works for finding stairs with items on them
20:23 <nooodle> omgg...... i didn't know about #terrain
20:23 <rld> <@FrightBox> oh cuz it's a trap!?
20:24 <rld> <@FrightBox> well that helps, i knew about #terrain but thought fast travel would work
20:24 <nooodle> but really not sure why fast travel can't do it. It works for fountains that have items on them too
20:24 <rld> <@FrightBox> so i'll be using terrain from now on
20:24 <rld> <@FrightBox> portals are just weird af
20:24 <nooodle> oh my gosh that's such a useful command. I can't believe i never saw that
20:25 <rld> <@Tone> yeah #terrain is great
20:25 <rld> <@Tone> was added in 360
20:28 <aosdict> @FrightBox I mean, a water level probably wouldn't have magical moving bubbles or a portal, so it'd be all right, wouldn't it?
20:29 <nooodle> lol @ dipping in a fountain causing a water nymph to appear, but it appears in the web next to the fountain, and immediately gets caught in it
20:29 <rld> <@reapersan> !tell Chris_ANG also you should really add #terrain to dnh please thanks
20:29 <Beholder> Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @reapersan.
20:30 <aosdict> That might be difficult; if I remember correctly it relies on 3.6.0 specific code.
20:30 <rld> <@reapersan> oh really?
20:30 <rld> <@reapersan> damn
20:30 <rld> <@reapersan> heh I really like the variety in msgs, nj tangles
20:30 <[Demo]1> what even
20:30 <rld> <@reapersan> ?
20:31 <rld> <@FrightBox> yeah as long as it's not like the plane of water aosdict 😃
20:31 <rld> <@FrightBox> i'm imagining kinda like the valk quest level how lava's all over the place but water instead
20:32 <rld> <@Tone> Medusa's Island and Juiblex's Swamp are like that
20:32 <rld> <@reapersan> some variants add the sunless sea as well
20:34 <aosdict> I think the all-water level would be reached by finding a > *in the sunless sea*.
20:35 <aosdict> it would require implementation of stairs being allowed to be underwater, somehow
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20:47 <bouquet> aosdict: I got stairs in a water room in gehennom in xnh once.  Couldn't find them for the longest time!
20:51 <aosdict> Yeah, but at least the stairs were above water.
20:55 <bouquet> were they?  I had to get into the water to get across the room to climb them.
20:55 <nooodle> is there a reason why they decided to make it so you can't control+T on level teleporters to use the trap even when you have MR?
20:56 <nooodle> actually i don't know if it works if you don't have MR either, like, if you escaped the trap and are standing on its square
20:57 <[Demo]1> yes the reason is because the code is fucking garbage
20:57 <[Demo]1> and goodpos is used for too much shit
20:58 <nooodle> that's sad :(
20:59 <bouquet> nooodle: you can #sit on a teletrap to activate it, but MR will probably resist it.
21:00 <nooodle> right, that's the thing. I want to use it to teleport to (e.g.) the valley, but often when you go to valley, you get a master/arch lich teleporting to you right right away, so removing MR is a bad idea
21:00 <bouquet> good thinking
21:00 <[Demo]1> oh i misread
21:01 <[Demo]1> disregard what i said im still salty about that though
21:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:48110
21:04 <rld> <@reapersan> demo: eli5?
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21:29 <NewbProgrammer10> tfw you just plain messed up on sokoban and can't advance to the next level.
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21:37 <NewbProgrammer10> I hate that feeling...
21:38 <[Demo]1> ndnh made that pretty much impossible unless u try realllly hard because ndnh is cool
21:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:51049
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21:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 30962 points, T:9528, killed by an invisible stalker
21:53 <NewbProgrammer10> I came the farthest I've ever gone in NetHack.
21:53 <NewbProgrammer10> Ole, ole ole ole, Ole ole ole ole, viva, my progress after three years.
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22:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1555 points, T:1982, killed by a watchman
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22:19 <rld> <@FrightBox> congrats NewbProgrammer10!
22:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:55095
22:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:55127
22:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:55151
22:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:55247
22:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:55249
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23:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "a holy greased fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:57476
23:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] coleslaw2005 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 20 points, T:213, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse
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23:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] arnibald (Fem Yee Fem Neu), 1898 points, T:836, quit
23:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] coleslaw2005 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 49 points, T:576, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse
23:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Pri Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:51120
23:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] coleslaw2005 (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:72, killed by kicking a wall
23:45 <nooodle> caveman roleplaying
23:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58158
23:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:58161
23:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:58224
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23:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11896
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23:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4347
23:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4420
23:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:58561
23:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:58569