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01:48 <bouquet> happybirthday hardfought! I got you some internet points and a smiley face. :^)
01:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:43086
02:21 <ShivanHunter> goddamn orctown
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03:43 <rld> <@IDF> Lmao
03:43 <rld> <@IDF> So like
03:43 <rld> <@IDF> I got randomly teleported
03:43 <rld> <@IDF> To a place with money
03:43 <rld> <@IDF> And
03:43 <rld> <@IDF> Then a guard came
03:43 <rld> <@IDF> And told me
03:43 <rld> <@IDF> To drop all money
03:43 <rld> <@IDF> And follow him
03:43 <rld> <@IDF> And then he helpwd me get out of then
03:43 <attie> yep, that's a vault
03:44 <rld> <@IDF> Interesting, I never got in one before
03:45 <rld> <@IDF> But I stumbled upon "you hear steps of a guard" a lot of times
03:45 <attie> if you find a teleporter (not a level teleporter) behind a door in front of which is written "ad aerarium", it'll take you into a vault
03:45 <attie> sometimes you can even find a magic portal in there
03:45 <rld> <@IDF> O
03:45 <attie> which will take you to a secret level with lots of gold
03:46 <attie> and a lot of soldiers and dragons and landmines
03:46 <rld> <@IDF> This game is so interesting
03:47 <attie> bring a pick-axe and you can take all the gold with you and dig your way out
03:47 <rld> <@IDF> There was something written in the front  of a door but it was covered in dust
03:48 <attie> there's a small chance it was a random engraving, but there are two non-random ones in front of doors to one-square closets that hold a trap
03:48 <attie> "ad aerarium" means there's either a teleporter or a levelteleporter behind the door
03:48 <attie> "Vlad was here" means there's a trap door
03:49 <rld> <@IDF> I think I stumbled upon "Vlad was here"
03:49 <attie> even if the engraving is all smudged, you can usually tell from the length which one it was
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05:14 <rld> <@IDF> do you guys use the curses interface?
05:14 <rld> <@IDF> I find it very helpful
05:15 <rld> <@IDF> especialy with perm_invetory on
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07:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Kos, on T:7438
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08:03 <jonadab> aosdict: Oh, good.  The old monstr difficulty calculation formula was fundamentally broken, and having it tucked away out of sight in makedefs like that was unlikely to encourage corrections.
08:03 <jonadab> Having the number in monst.c makes it more obvious that it's a property of the monster and can be adjusted up or down if needed for balance.
08:04 <jonadab> BTW, making that change in Fourk was actually ais523's suggestion, but as soon as he said it, I knew it was the right thing to do.
08:10 <K2> [backscroll] thanks bouquet!
08:24 <bug_sniper> yasi: an antisocial conduct in which you don't chat to anyone
08:27 <K2> rofl
08:30 <winny> greetings
08:30 <winny> i have been far below my nh quota
08:32 <ShivanHunter> evil patch idea: sokoban but it's not magic-mapped for you
08:32 <winny> hm in nh 1.3 how do u open boxes
08:34 <winny> nm i should use the wiki
08:34 <winny> silly me
08:34 <aosdict> jonadab: I haven't gone through to figure out if they actually tweaked any difficulty values yet, that would be easy to make fly under the radar on a change like this
08:39 <bug_sniper> ShivanHunter, that's already in slex
08:39 <ShivanHunter> lmao
08:40 <K2> hiya winny
08:40 <bug_sniper> you basically have to accept the loss of luck because you're almost guaranteed to get a boulder stuck
08:42 <raisse> argh I had a wand of digging and it didn't occur to me to use it
08:43 <bug_sniper> and in slex sokoban, monster can read their scrolls of earth
08:44 <bug_sniper> so have fun how much the game hates you
08:44 <bug_sniper> *seeing
08:44 <ShivanHunter> kek
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08:50 <bug_sniper> yasi: python speech is like this: attack(min(targets, key=distance))
08:51 <aosdict> I always thought pythons could use some Python YAFMs
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08:52 <bug_sniper> yeah, all areas could use some
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08:55 <bug_sniper> yasi: pet pythons say attack(nearest_enemy if not hungry else player)
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09:03 <K2> TNNT updated (all servers)
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11:04 <LarienTelrunya> Public Service Announcement: SLEX 2.38 has gone live on the em.slashem.me server; beta testers welcome so I can iron out bugs before it becomes playable on hardfought. @Luxidream: you can now use the OPTIONS=askforalias option to give funny names to your characters! ♥
11:04 <rld> <@spookidream> excellent
11:04 <rld> <@spookidream> I will check this out
11:05 <LarienTelrunya> oh cool you also have a halloween name!
11:05 <LarienTelrunya> I wish I could come up with a halloween name for myself, but the only one I got would be "LarienFearunya" and that sounds kinda lame I think
11:05 <LarienTelrunya> @spookidream: to connect to the server, ssh to slashem@slashem.me
11:06 <rld> <@spookidream> yeah I have an esm account
11:06 <LarienTelrunya> ah cool :)
11:06 <aosdict> You could be AmyBluescreenOfDOOM
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11:07 <LanternTrickya> does that sound halloweeny enough :D
11:12 <rld> <@spookidream> 👍
11:13 <LanternTrickya> maybe I'll dress up as a witch on halloween again ;)
11:16 <rebatela> amy, any recommendations for starting role for a total newb slex player ? I ascend monks and priests regularly in vanilla. Is monk fun ? It just seems so overwhelming with all the choices! 
11:16 <rld> <@FrightBox> if i'm pronouncing larien in my head correctly you could've also been "Scary-n-Telrunya" or something
11:17 <LanternTrickya> @FrightBox: hey cool idea :)
11:17 <rebatela> amy, any recommendations for starting role for a total newb slex player ? I ascend monks and priests regularly in vanilla. Is monk fun ? It just seems so overwhelming with all the choices! 
11:17 <LanternTrickya> rebatela: sorry I was posting on a forum but now I'm here :) monk is a powerful role in slex
11:17 <rld> <@FrightBox> LanternTrickya's much more full of flavor though, kinda like slex
11:17 <rld> <@FrightBox> so really much more philosophically appropriate
11:18 <LanternTrickya> and as for race, well, angel is widely considered slex easy mode, although you'll have to be a bit careful with the monk conduct in that case
11:20 <rebatela> ok. so maybe i'll try angel and a different class
11:22 <LanternTrickya> what are your preferences? melee, ranged or spellcasting?
11:22 <[Demo]1> in slex you probably want ranged
11:23 <[Demo]1> cause then you don't have to check everything for op melee or passive attacks
11:23 <LanternTrickya> for melee you could go barbarian or warrior, or if you want a glass cannon, ordinator; ranged is usually ranger or elph, or maybe rocker or gunner if you want an unconventional one; spellcasters are wizard and the different elemental mages (flame, ice, electric, acid and poison mage)
11:24 <LanternTrickya> those are just suggestions that I'd give to a beginner though; there are of course many more roles that could fit into one of those three categories
11:24 <rld> <@spookidream> glass cannon in nethack?
11:24 <rld> <@spookidream> sounds painful
11:24 <LanternTrickya> well the ordinator has very bad AC and poor HP growth, but potentially extremely high damage output in melee and also good ranged options
11:25 <[Demo]1> aren't valk speedruns kinda glass cannony?
11:25 <rld> <@spookidream> no, valks tank everything with orb
11:25 <[Demo]1> ah yeah forgot about orb
11:25 <[Demo]1> but their early game though?
11:26 <[Demo]1> prequest
11:26 <LanternTrickya> not nearly as glasscannoney as tourists I guess :P
11:26 <rld> <@spookidream> you go negative after putting on any decent armor
11:26 <rld> <@spookidream> so not really there either
11:28 <[Demo]1> early cleaver tourist
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13:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4703 points, T:3473, killed by a giant bat
13:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 69 points, T:205, killed by a fox
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13:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:8896
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13:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2260 points, T:3353, killed by a little dog
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13:44 <aosdict> YANI: small little one-off "crypt" branches that contain undead. Fairly small, and they exist as floating levels. They can only be found by digging up gravestones not in graveyards, which will reveal the branch staircase to them.
13:44 <aosdict> If it's too complicated to allow this to be repeatable, just make it only appear once.
13:45 <PavelB> aosdict: Tying that into a previously discussed idea, perhaps you can ring a bell rather than digging it up
13:45 <aosdict> Yeah, that was my thought too, after writing it.
13:45 <aosdict> allows lawfuls to gain access
13:49 <LanternTrickya> !tell jonadab remember how you suggested a mojibake trap? slex now has one, screenshot of the effect: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1540230498066.png (most all of those various glyphs are things that aren't really there)
13:49 <Beholder> jonadab shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, LanternTrickya.
13:51 <raisse> !pom
13:51 <Beholder> raisse: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 1 day.
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13:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1844 points, T:3199, killed by a rothe
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13:55 <Beholder> jonadab: Message from LanternTrickya at 2018-10-22 13:49 EDT: remember how you suggested a mojibake trap? slex now has one, screenshot of the effect: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1540230498066.png (most all of those various glyphs are things that aren't really there)
13:56 <LanternTrickya> oh damn I had "beep on activity" off, no wonder I'm not hearing the ping
13:56 <jonadab> LanternTrickya: Those symbols all take up just a single space, though, so they don't distort the shape of the map, or make things not fit in the 80x24 terminal window.
13:57 <LanternTrickya> wtf that didn't ping me either
13:57 <jonadab> Mojibake often results in two or three characters for what was originally one character.
13:57 <LanternTrickya> jonadab: yeah but doing that might break people's terminals, which would be an assholey thing to do, so I won't
13:57 <jonadab> Ah.
13:57 <LanternTrickya> I can guarantee you that in its current incarnation the trap is plenty nasty enough :D
13:58 <jonadab> Oh, I'm sure.
13:58 <LanternTrickya> after all, the symbols appear randomly and redrawing the screen will also re-randomize where they appear ;)
13:58 <jonadab> Does the trap also summon disenchanters and arch-liches?
13:58 <jonadab> And disintegrators?
13:59 <LanternTrickya> nah, the monsters it draws on the screen are all faux monsters and display nothing when farlooked
13:59 <jonadab> And island nymphs?
13:59 <LanternTrickya> haha
13:59 <LanternTrickya> umber xorns or whatever that spellcasting thing was!
13:59 <jonadab> deep ettins?
13:59 <LanternTrickya> yeah
13:59 <jonadab> Deep ettins aren't as nasty as arch-liches.
14:00 <PavelB> > which would be an assholey thing to do, so I won't
14:00 <PavelB> What part of slex isn't assholey in the first place
14:00 <LanternTrickya> PavelB: did you even play it?
14:00 <PavelB> Yes
14:00 <jonadab> EPI: a type of nymph that can phase through solid rock, is visually indistinguishable from solid rock, and likes to hide in solid rock and steal things from anyone who passes by.
14:00 <PavelB> I haven't made it past dlvl 1 yet
14:01 <jonadab> Oh, I made it past DL1 on like my third attempt.
14:01 <jonadab> Granted, I didn't make it *real far*.
14:01 <aosdict> I made it past DL1, but I didn't enjoy my eyes bleeding from the colors
14:01 <PavelB> Also that
14:02 <jonadab> Eh, you can fix that by setting your terminal palette to something subdued.
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14:02 <aosdict> If you think I care enough about playing slex to reconfigure my terminal palette, then you are wrong
14:04 <LanternTrickya> aosdict: aww why do you not like fleecy colors :(
14:04 <aosdict> because they make my eyes bleed
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14:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 594 points, T:1964, killed by a little dog
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14:16 <jonadab> aosdict: Fair.  I happen to keep a force-everything-to-soft-colors terminal profile sitting around _anyway_, but perhaps some folks don't.
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14:26 <aosdict> YANI for some sort of weird new role (druid?) or ability: You can controlled polymorph only into monsters you have encountered (less strict), or only into peaceful or tame monsters adjacent to you at this time.
14:27 <aosdict> sort of like animorphs
14:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Ran Orc Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:7827
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14:31 <[Demo]1> hmm
14:32 <[Demo]1> what if overhaul healer into druid
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14:49 <aosdict> LanternTrickya: does slex include rickrolling?
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14:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13598
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14:58 <LanternTrickya> aosdict: well it has the shout command, and like most other variants, hdf-slex livelogs wishes
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14:58 <aosdict> But it's not actually in the game itself.
14:58 <LanternTrickya> how would it work in-game?
15:00 <aosdict> I don't know, it's slex, I would expect something like "The rickroller rickrolls you! [-5 -> 141]"
15:00 <LanternTrickya> heh
15:00 <aosdict> Wooble in #nethack was talking about it being a role whose leader is Rick Astley...
15:00 <aosdict> and a quest full of trolls and rolling boulders
15:01 <raisse> I don't think he has any enemies to be the nemesis
15:01 <raisse> not personal ones, anyway
15:01 <aosdict> The Guy Who Is Just So Done With All This
15:23 <rld> <@spookidream> when you would get an artifact from your god, there is a small chance of you getting rickrolled instead
15:31 <[Demo]1> that's just trollsbane
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Red Mal Law), 44862 points, T:8010, killed by a solar beam
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16:03 <rld> <@IDF> What
16:03 <rld> <@IDF> Killed by a solar beam
16:03 <rld> <@IDF> Wtf
16:03 <rld> <@IDF> Wait
16:03 <rld> <@IDF> Are you a vampire?
16:03 <aosdict> @IDF https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zMnQ7vwp/image.png
16:04 <rld> <@IDF> Ah
16:04 <rld> <@IDF> I see
16:04 <rld> <@IDF> Lel
16:05 <LanternTrickya> @IDF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urwbU_Sc0ds&feature=youtu.be&t=36
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17:39 <NewbProgrammer10> I have a question: how do you select something to #enhance?
17:39 <NewbProgrammer10> I tried a bunch of different keys, but none of them worked after I leveled up in the #enhance menu.
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18:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1997
18:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1644 points, T:2046, killed by an owlbear
18:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 539 points, T:1379, killed by a little dog
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18:55 <rld> <@FrightBox> Can "You feel that Tyr is displeased" mean that they just smote me and took my intrinsic protection?
18:55 <rld> <@FrightBox> shit sucks if so
19:26 <aosdict> yes, feeling that they are displeased is a "smite" that has no further effect besides them being angry.
19:28 <rld> <@FrightBox> Well and it removed my purchased protection right?
19:28 <rld> <@FrightBox> aosdict ^
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19:33 <rld> <@Tone> was that just a prayer result?
19:33 <rld> <@Tone> It means you didn't get a successful prayer for some reason and has no other effect
19:33 <rld> <@FrightBox> Well I was trying to make holy water and my prayer time out must have been way larger than I thought or I forgot the last time I pray
19:33 <rld> <@Tone> shouldn't have affected your protection
19:33 <rld> <@FrightBox> Huh I looked at the wiki and I have no idea what else could have removed it though
19:34 <rld> <@Tone> you definitely lost it?
19:34 <rld> <@FrightBox> I thought it first that maybe my helmet was opposite alignment but that wasn't the case
19:35 <rld> <@FrightBox> Yeah I'm almost certain I did I'm definitely going to have to go and look at the TTY Rec for this
19:35 <rld> <@FrightBox> Are those available before the game is done?
19:36 <Tangles> @Tone: unsuccessful prayer will remove your protection. Same happened to me the other day.
19:36 <rld> <@Tone> yeah, you just have to end the session
19:36 <rld> <@Tone> yeah I was just wondering if maybe I had that wrong
19:36 <rld> <@FrightBox> Okay so it was the unsuccessful prayer then
19:37 <rld> <@Tone> not anything I've had to deal with often, and spoilers I've read aren't very specific about that
19:37 <rld> <@Tone> Well that's annoying
19:37 <rld> <@Tone> Thanks for confirming Tangles
19:37 <rld> <@FrightBox> Yeah I'm still going to have to look at my TTY to find out why in the world I couldn't pray
19:37 <rld> <@FrightBox> According to the cloak that I used to track that time it had been like almost 6,000 terms
19:37 <rld> <@FrightBox> Turns
19:38 <rld> <@Tone> Prayer timeout is on a curve that has a long tail, so in rare circumstances it lasts forever
19:38 <Pinkbeast> This is true but below XL15 + uncrowned it is really incredibly improbable to last that long
19:39 <rld> <@FrightBox> Only praying and altar conversion attempts can trigger a time out right?
19:39 <Pinkbeast> Gifts
19:40 <rld> <@FrightBox> Alright that too, but I hadn't received one of those yet so that definitely wasn't it
19:40 <Pinkbeast> Maybe some other causes, but sacrifice gifts are the usual gotcha
19:41 <aosdict> It's not so much that an unsuccessful prayer is explicitly supposed to remove your protection, it's just that doing so always causes a smite of some magnitude, which in turn removes protection
19:41 <rld> <@FrightBox> Next question with an Elven helmet you can bring it up to 7 and then read another enchant scroll right?
19:41 <Tangles> unsuccessful altar conversion attempts affect prayer timeout? That might explain my incident... but I think it was just unlucky.  Or... hmm maybe the prayer failed _because_ I was unlucky (due to failed altar conversion)
19:41 <rld> <@Tone> yeah.  I didn't realize a "no effect" unsuccessful prayer still counted as a smite
19:42 <Pinkbeast> FrightBox: Doubtless you have checked the wiki and spoilers already
19:42 <rld> <@Tone> @FrightBox Did you do anything else that might affect your alignment record or luck?
19:42 <Tangles> I believe wishing also (oddly, I've always thought) affects prayer timeout.
19:42 <aosdict> Tangles: Ugh, luck and religion intertwining.
19:43 <rld> <@FrightBox> My luck should have been fine because I had the Luck Stone and recently threw a bunch of gems to a unicorn
19:43 <Pinkbeast> FrightBox: coaligned unicorn? Blessed luckstone?
19:43 <rld> <@FrightBox> Alignment also should have been fine but that's why I'm going to have to review this
19:43 <Tangles> aosdict: Yeah "Unluckily, you feel the power of foo decrease" is a luck penalty, right?
19:43 <rld> <@FrightBox> If wishing effects it then that's probably the most likely scenario because I think I got a wish on turn 4000 and I tried to pray around turns 6000
19:44 <Pinkbeast> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Prayer_timeout
19:44 <rld> <@FrightBox> It was not a CO aligned unicorn and the Luck Stone was not blessed yet
19:44 <aosdict> Tangles: I was referring to your prayers failing when you're unlucky, but yeah, that and fifty other different ways they're all tangled together and IMO shouldn't be
19:44 <rld> <@FrightBox> But it was a lot of gems
19:44 <rld> <@FrightBox> Formally identified too
19:45 <rld> <@Tone> oh, that's probably why
19:45 <rld> <@Tone> cross aligned unicorns randomly give either positive or negative luck
19:45 <rld> <@FrightBox> Crap!
19:45 <rld> <@FrightBox> I thought cross aligned just gave less luck
19:46 <rld> <@FrightBox> Good to know that's probably what happened
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19:55 <NewbProgrammer10> I have a question: how do you select something to #enhance?
19:55 <NewbProgrammer10> I tried a bunch of different keys, but none of them worked after I leveled up in the #enhance menu.
19:56 <Tangles> NewbProgrammer10: It will display a letter next to the skills you are ready to advance, you just need to pick that letter.
19:56 <Tangles> If none of your skills have a letter next to them, then you are not ready!
19:57 <Tangles> did you get a message "You feel more confident in your [something] skills?"
19:58 <NewbProgrammer10> Yes.
19:58 <Tangles> di dyou try '>' at the menu? maybe it's on the next page.
19:58 <NewbProgrammer10> Hm?
19:59 <Tangles> !who
19:59 <Beholder> Tangles: [hdf-us] Luxidream [tnnt] jim [nh362] bouquet [un] | [hdf-eu] noims [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players
20:00 <Tangles> NewbProgrammer10: are you playing on the server? maybe I can watch you for a sec and see what's going on.
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20:04 <rld> <@spookidream> asking for someone else, how to build local nethack with curses?
20:05 <NewbProgrammer10> I'm playing offline.
20:05 <Tangles> ah ok.
20:05 <NewbProgrammer10> I can demonstrate on the server.
20:06 <Tangles> well then I don't really know, beyond what I said already... pick the letter next to the skill, or of you don't see it, be aware there may be more than one page of menu.
20:06 <NewbProgrammer10> TIL
20:08 <Tangles> @spookidream: the curses repo is https://github.com/NHTangles/Nethack36/tree/curses
20:09 <Tangles> but it's not reall y up to date with the latest vanilla changes, because I'm a slacker.
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20:10 <NewbProgrammer10> Tangles: ok, I advanced to level 2, and I have the #enhance menu open.
20:10 <NewbProgrammer10> There aren't any letters next to anything and > does nothing.
20:10 <NewbProgrammer10> I'm  Xaleth, btw
20:11 <Tangles> NewbProgrammer10: sorry to repeat the question, but did you get a message "You feel more confident in your [something] skills"?
20:11 <Tangles> that's unlikely to happen at level 2.
20:11 <NewbProgrammer10> Hm, ok perhaps I misunderstood the NetHack wiki.
20:12 <Tangles> You get skill point sby successfully using a skill (so you have to have a certain number of successful hits with your long sword or whatever)
20:12 <NewbProgrammer10> Ok.
20:13 <Tangles> sorry about this keyboard... it's putting spaces in the wrong places.
20:13 <NewbProgrammer10> It's fine.
20:13 <Pinkbeast> NewbProgrammer10: Why did you say "yes" when asked if you'd got that message?
20:13 <Tangles> You can advance any skill that you've excercised enough, but doing so consumes skill slots, and you get more skill slots to play with as you level up.
20:14 <NewbProgrammer10> Pinkbeast: because I thought you have to manually advance the skill, and apparently that does it by itself.
20:14 <Muad> Each subsequent skill slot is roughly double the cost, right?
20:15 <Pinkbeast> NewbProgrammer10: That doesn't really answer the question. Why did you say "yes" when asked if you'd got the message "You feel more confident in your [something] skills" ?
20:15 <Tangles> if you have a skill that's ready to advance, but you ran out of skill slots, it shows a * next to it, and you have to get more levels before you can advance it.
20:17 <Tangles> and yeah going from skilled to expert uses more slots than going from unskilled to basic. I don't think it doubles each time, but the details are on the wiki.
20:17 <aosdict> It's 20/40/80 iirc
20:21 <Tangles> NewbProgrammer10: you _do_ have to manually advance the skill (because the game expects you to make choices about skill-slot consumption - this is mroe of a big deal for some roles than others), but this does not happen every time you gain an experience level.  It happens when you've exercised the particular skill enough.
20:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:9370
20:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1472 points, T:1887, killed by a dwarf
20:25 <NewbProgrammer10> Ok.
20:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1059 points, T:1370, killed by a giant ant
20:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 697 points, T:815, killed by a gray ooze
20:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 283 points, T:623, killed by a death ray
20:50 <Tangles> lol damn!
20:54 <NewbProgrammer10> Is it safe to eat a glob of gray ooze?
20:55 <NewbProgrammer10> It doesn't say on the NH wiki.
20:56 <aosdict> it's acidic
20:57 <NewbProgrammer10> Ok.
21:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 618 points, T:1812, killed by a werejackal
21:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1144 points, T:1659, killed by a killer bee, while helpless
21:01 <NewbProgrammer10> I engraved "Elbereth" on the floor below me, and all my enemies ignored it...
21:01 <NewbProgrammer10> Oh well.
21:01 <NewbProgrammer10> I think I engraved with a cursed dagger or I mispelled Elbereth.
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21:08 <rld> <@FrightBox> Did you check the engraving with : to make sure?
21:09 <rld> <@FrightBox> Also never engrave with a dagger because it takes more than 1 turn and you died because you were engraving and the game doesn't stop you for damage when doing that
21:09 <rld> <@FrightBox> Unless it's an athame
21:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (watchman), on T:1694
21:12 <aosdict> watchmen are genocidable?
21:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1310 points, T:1814, poisoned by a rotted rothe corpse
21:12 <aosdict> oh well, I guess they don't need anyone to watch the watchmen now
21:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1009 points, T:1178, killed by a hill orc
21:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2826 points, T:3831, killed by a soldier ant
21:36 <NewbProgrammer10> I just wasted a prayer thinking it would lift my cursed wielded bow.
21:36 <NewbProgrammer10> Whhy???
21:37 <aosdict> uncursing weapons is only a minor trouble fix, thus your god doesn't always fix it
21:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1105 points, T:2207, killed by a hill orc, while frozen by a monster's gaze
21:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Ran Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:5879
21:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 299 points, T:1175, killed by Ms. Possogroenoe; the shopkeeper
21:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2813 points, T:4031, killed by a gray unicorn
21:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 291 points, T:1204, killed by a gas spore's explosion
22:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:42853
22:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1210 points, T:1321, killed by a bolt of fire
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22:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 726 points, T:1180, killed by a rabid rat
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22:17 <rld> <@reapersan> where are points stored in the code?
22:17 <rld> <@reapersan> i.e. how much an artifact is worth
22:22 <rld> <@reapersan> !tell Chris_ANG hey btw you can still use any covetous monster to kill the elder priest. the wizard might not still work, but horrors still work (in my game they were covetous, depsite having no theft attack (or qart theft attack) they still stole it and killed the dude).  so yeah fix that? I guess?
22:22 <Beholder> Will do, @reapersan!
22:23 <rld> <@reapersan> !tell Chris_ANG  i mean I have no issue with that strat it's just that having it work for the wiz (?) and the horrors makes it a little stupid. I'm down to let any demon lord do it, at least the ones with lairs (not like aldinach the one hit wonder lmao)
22:23 <Beholder> I'm on it, @reapersan.
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22:29 <rld> <@reapersan> !tell Chris_ANG hey just fyi uhhhhh
22:29 <Beholder> Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @reapersan.
22:29 <rld> <@reapersan> whoops
22:29 <rld> <@reapersan> !tell Chris_ANG wishing for 2147483647 slime molds sets your carry cap to like just under 2147483647? idk what to do with this info but here have it
22:29 <Beholder> No worries, @reapersan, I've got this!
22:29 <rld> <@reapersan> cc @Demo you can probably abuse this rigth
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22:32 <rld> <@reapersan> !tell Chris_ANG ah, it happens when the total weight wraps around from negative up to positive, it sets your carry cap ridiculously high, lol
22:32 <Beholder> Chris_ANG shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @reapersan.
22:40 <rld> <@Demo> yes can abuse
22:40 <rld> <@Demo> you can do this outside of wizard mode?
22:40 <rld> <@Demo> wtf
22:41 <rld> <@reapersan> yep
22:41 <rld> <@reapersan> at least i can on mac
22:41 <rld> <@reapersan> soo I mean is it reproable anywhere else? prolly not lmao
22:41 <rld> <@reapersan> but yea I wished on astral using a magic lamp for 2147483647 slime molds and there you have it
22:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:45100
22:42 <rld> <@Demo> how'd you wish on Astral with a magic lamp?
22:42 <rld> <@reapersan> ... I wished on astral, using a magic lamp?
22:43 <rld> <@reapersan> is that supposed to be blocked
22:43 <rld> <@reapersan> lol
22:43 <rld> <@Demo> djinnis quit working after air
22:43 <rld> <@Demo> I thought
22:43 <rld> <@reapersan> hold up lemme check the dumplog
22:43 <rld> <@reapersan> or ttyrec
22:44 <rld> <@reapersan> yeah no they still work in wizmode demo
22:44 <rld> <@reapersan> obviously still work in normal
22:46 <[Demo]1> I swear there's a thing where djinni wishes aren't supposed to work after the plane of air?
22:47 <rld> <@reapersan> maybe a suggestion or similar
22:47 <rld> <@reapersan> or maybe on air itsefl I can't test atm
22:49 <[Demo]1> I thought it was a vanilla thing
22:49 <[Demo]1> when the air djinni are generated djinni are extincted
22:49 <NewbProgrammer10> I have this *one* pit that I failed to fill in sokoban, which won't let me cross over to the next level...
22:49 <[Demo]1> and no more djinni based wishes work
22:49 <rld> <@reapersan> maybe in 3.6 then
22:50 <rld> <@reapersan> pit or hole newb
22:50 <rld> <@reapersan> also just use the scrolls of earth
22:50 <[Demo]1> no like 3.4
22:50 <NewbProgrammer10> Oh yeah, right.
22:51 <rld> <@reapersan> huh
22:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7080 points, T:4899, killed by a werewolf
22:52 <NewbProgrammer10> Oh well, died in sokoban.
22:52 <rld> <@reapersan> RIP
22:52 <NewbProgrammer10> !whois Xaleth
22:52 <NewbProgrammer10> !status Xaleth
22:52 <NewbProgrammer10> !asc Xaleth
22:52 <Beholder> NewbProgrammer10: [hdf-us] Xaleth has not ascended in 43 games.
22:52 <rld> <@reapersan> !whereis Xaleth
22:52 <Beholder> @reapersan: Xaleth is not playing.
22:53 <NewbProgrammer10> I'm restarting.
22:53 <rld> <@reapersan> ^ the command you probably want?
22:53 <rld> <@spookidream> !whatis Xaleth
22:53 <rld> <@reapersan> !whyis Xaleth
22:53 <rld> <@spookidream> !whenis Xaleth
22:53 <rld> <@reapersan> !howis Xaleth
22:54 <NewbProgrammer10> !whereis Xaleth
22:54 <Beholder> NewbProgrammer10: [hdf-us] Xaleth [nh362]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:109 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2
22:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a horse corpse on an altar of Anhur, on T:3255
23:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1035 points, T:1325, killed by a bugbear
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23:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1466 points, T:1124, killed by a killer bee
23:11 <NewbProgrammer10> TIL killer bees don't respect Elbereth.
23:13 <Tangles> @spookidream: I just merged and pushed the curses branch of my nethack repo so it's now up to date with the devteam's 3.6.2-beta01 branch as of today.
23:13 <Tangles> Sorry for not getting back to you earlier.
23:13 <rld> <@spookidream> it's cool. someone asked me about it and I wasn't knowledgeable so I thought I would ask on here.
23:13 <rld> <@spookidream> It's not a big deal, I think they've figured it out
23:14 <Tangles> so yeah the build should just be a matter of cloning the repo, checking out the branch, and building it (after tweaking the hints file and running setup.sh), same as a vanilla build.
23:18 <Tangles> NewbProgrammer10: killer bees do respect elbereth, if you manage to write it successfully (note that engraving with a weapon or a gem will take a number of turns, and they will continue to attack you until you're finished or you die, writing in the dust with your fingers is faster, but still hasa chance to fail).
23:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 378 points, T:673, poisoned by a killer bee
23:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided vorpal jabberwocks dungeon wide on T:46778
23:19 <NewbProgrammer10> Tangles: oh ok.
23:19 <rld> <@FrightBox> Yeah quit engraving with weapons NewbProgrammer10 haha
23:20 <rld> <@FrightBox> You'll get there someday though!
23:20 <Tangles> use '-' to engrave with your finger.
23:21 <Tangles> Also yeah they can instakill you if you're not poison resistant, as you just found out.
23:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 519 points, T:1902, burned by a tower of flame
23:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2834 points, T:2169, killed by an Uruk-hai called Auluthos of Ogbanea, while dragging an iron ball
23:31 <Tangles> heh nice... that looks like progress :)
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23:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 569 points, T:1007, killed by a paper golem
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23:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5570
23:44 <NewbProgrammer10> Do gloves hinder spellcasting?
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23:44 <aosdict> only metal ones (gauntlets of power)
23:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1025 points, T:2264, killed by a black naga hatchling
23:49 <NewbProgrammer10> I dropped everything I had because I was fighting a nymph, but then this naga decided to ruin the fun.
23:49 <rld> <@FrightBox> Are you casting spells as a valk?
23:50 <NewbProgrammer10> Ye.
23:50 <rld> <@FrightBox> Were you bare knuckle boxing this nymph... Naked?
23:51 <rld> <@spookidream> I don't know if dropping all your things is necessarily the best approach
23:51 <bouquet> hi
23:51 <Beholder> Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought
23:51 <rld> <@spookidream> definitely worth consideration on the unnethack nymph level though
23:52 <bouquet> oh hey... I have some experience punching nymphs while naked. Chased Aphrodite around naked and punched her to death once.
23:52 <bouquet> good times
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