00:00 <@spookidream> one time I was playing a valk 00:00 touchstone. meh, till decent 00:00 <@spookidream> and I picked up a loadstone 00:00 <@spookidream> but I didn't even notice because my carrying capacity was so good 00:01 lol 00:03 <@FrightBox> haha, that'd be the life 00:03 <@FrightBox> the casual loadstone ascension 00:04 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:66818 00:07 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class ;), on T:66863 00:17 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:67060 00:20 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:67097 00:21 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:67114 00:22 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:67145 00:23 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:67168 00:25 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:67198 00:29 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 4153878 points, T:67202, ascended (sorry, no dump exists for spl:tempest) 00:29 *gasp* 00:29 Tempest_nano: Message from @Luxidream at 2018-10-18 23:25 EDT: you can pacify sam by paying her. don't bring the treasury into Sam's shop, I've reported this bug already, but I think it got buried under the mountain of other bugs 00:29 Tempest_nano: Message from AntiGulp at 2018-10-19 17:08 EDT: Fixed. It looks like some sort of 3.4.3 -> 3.6.2 incompatibility. Took me forever to figure out what was going wrong! :D 00:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8956 00:33 !Tell Antigulp I noticed that when I was an infernal, I couldn't apply a silver magic lamp, but I could #rub it. I think it would be so much better if I couldn't rub it even with gloves. Maybe require a polymorph to extract a wish out of a silver lamp. Infuriating, but it would add flavor. 00:33 Antigulp shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Tempest_nano. 00:35 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (plains centaur), on T:10659 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Sakusen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 17766 points, T:10673, killed by a forest centaur, while praying 01:13 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 01:18 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] leonard (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 533 points, T:2089, killed by a werejackal 01:55 !lastgame 01:55 Tangles: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/leonard/nh361/dumplog/1540098169.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Graznop/nh361/dumplog/1540064484.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/a/attie/nh361/dumplog/1537865618.nh361.txt 01:56 !lastasc 01:56 Tangles: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for spl:tempest) | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jt/gh/dumplog/1539546634.gh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/a/attie/nh361/dumplog/1537865618.nh361.txt 01:56 !lastgame splicehack 01:56 Tangles: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for spl:tempest) | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/splicehack/dumplog/1532711743.splice.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/splicehack/dumplog/1532712486.splice.txt 02:02 It looks like there really is no dumplog 02:10 eh 02:10 hmm lets look 02:10 ah for fucksake 02:16 fixed 02:16 sysconf dumplog path was changed 02:16 dumps should still exsist, just in a different spot... 02:17 yup got em 02:17 just need to rename and move 02:17 hah... epoch time... 02:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] Xaleth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 232 points, T:687, killed by a wand 02:22 !lastasc tempest 02:22 K2: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for spl:tempest) 02:23 might have to restart the bot 02:23 yup 02:23 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 02:23 -!- karatkievich.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ยค Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ยค 'The November NetHack Tournament' build is now open for public beta testing, please see the tournament menu for details 02:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 02:23 !lastasc tempest 02:23 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tempest/splicehack/dumplog/1539734081.splice.txt 02:24 nice :) 02:24 !tell Tempest_nano here's your dumplog from your splicehack ascension - https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tempest/splicehack/dumplog/1539734081.splice.txt 02:24 No worries, K2, I've got this! 02:25 only 30 more to fix... 02:25 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26 so how do i convert this 20181016154417 to epoch time 02:26 i see 2018 and 10 for the month 02:27 oh wait i get it 02:27 thats start time not end 02:27 ok whew 02:36 K2: the starttime is in the xlogfile, if you're able to match the xlog entries with the dumplogs. 02:36 thanks 02:37 i found a YYYYMMDDHHMMSS to epoch converter online, streamlining the process 02:38 he had just the one ascension, got that already 02:38 antigulp must have made a small edit to the sysconf on her last update and i didnt catch it 02:38 overwrote our dumplog path 02:40 also I found this from our testing earlier... https://twitter.com/TNNT_announce/status/1053848488973225986 02:41 \o/ 02:41 ... DIRGE 02:42 lol 02:44 heh 02:44 you should be getting an email from me from github soon 02:46 <@spookidream> this thing going to tweet every asc? 02:46 hell yeah 02:47 <@spookidream> maybe it shouldn't tweet every death though lol 02:47 <@spookidream> that would fill up with garbage pretty fast 02:48 why not? 02:49 it was that way last year during tribute tournament 02:50 "fill up"? It's not my disk. 02:51 <@spookidream> oh lol 02:51 <@spookidream> alright 02:52 Yeah so it's tweeting every game except startscums, and everything that affects the scoreboard (trophies, achievements, etc). 02:53 I expect it'll be busy during November :) 02:54 K2: I got your github invite. That looks like a noble and worthwhile cause... 02:54 It also looks like a metric f*ckton of work. 02:56 yes ;) 02:57 just getting foundation down now, will start in on it after tnnt 02:57 right now it's a 99% clone of 362-hdf 03:10 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 03:17 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 03:19 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:32 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 03:33 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 04:02 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:15 K2: does mail work for tnnt? 04:16 never mind it does 04:16 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:18 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #hardfought 04:30 having a pet chameleon is such a weird experience 04:30 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:31 ShivanHunter: They usually don't last very long. 04:31 Though I had one for several dungeon levels once. 04:31 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Red Mal Law), 8554 points, T:4271, killed by a monster (Pustulence) 06:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:37 <@IDF> Wah 06:37 <@IDF> There were lots of monsters 06:38 <@IDF> And they all took my HP 06:38 <@IDF> And one kitten comes 06:38 <@IDF> And bites me 06:38 <@IDF> And I die 06:45 such is life and death in the dungeons of doom 06:49 I remember once I was hemmed in by some high-level stuff (I think from a scroll of create monster)... a gecko got the kill 06:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:50021 06:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:50022 07:02 lol I tamed a vampire lord and it's still attacking me 07:04 >Grayswandir just lying around in the VOTD 07:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:50458 07:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:50459 07:22 <@FrightBox> does anyone else feel kinda sad before embarking on the ascension run? like you wanna have more fun and enjoy the (probably) beastly character you've built....but there's just not much else to do 07:28 yes, i do feel that way sometimes. I have to really force myself to say "Ok, time to end this". Actually I enjoy the beginning of the game much more than the end, it gets to be kind of a chore for me. I wish gehennom were shorter 07:29 <@FrightBox> i definitely wish gehennom were shorter 07:29 <@FrightBox> basically everything after castle for me is usually reflecting on how easy/hard the early game was 07:30 <@FrightBox> like a trip down memory lane as i mostly go through the motions to win, haha 07:31 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:32 <@FrightBox> i'm gonna hunt for croesus this game cuz i've never seen it though, so i'll at least have that ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 07:33 i know i could make the game better for me if I played it faster turnwise -- skipping over levels, etc. -- but i have a strong compulsion to explore everything and hoard everything 07:33 i end the game with a stupidly large hoard of stuff i'll never use, can't seem to avoid it. Even in real life I hoard, it's a problem 07:33 <@FrightBox> for tnnt i plan on trying to get some faster ascensions in 07:33 <@FrightBox> for the squishier characters i dunno how you get lower turn counts, but i bet i could shave some serious time of the 'ol valk 07:34 in a way I like pacifist for the reason that it forces me to not hoard, but unfortunately it also forces me to explore exhaustively 07:34 i think the harder thing is characters that don't get intrinsic speed early on, like tourist. It's squishy, but you could still get in a fast run if you got strong quickly. But unless you get early speed boots, I don't see how 07:36 <@FrightBox> yeah this is my first wizard and it felt like a whole new game all the way until castle 07:36 <@FrightBox> and now i'm just so g-damn powerful i dont even know what to do with myself 07:40 <@FrightBox> damn no croesus for me 07:40 <@FrightBox> too tedious to find normally, haha 07:40 my fastest asc ever was like 12,500 turns, in 3.4.3 with a samurai. I don't know why NAO doesn't have the turncounts recorded, kinda sad. 07:41 it was just insanely lucky, i think early wand of wishing. But I've gotten slower and slower, and with this account I am far slower than I used to be with Aioli 07:42 careful with late wizard, I find that I have a harder time with them on astral than many other roles because the extra Pw drained by the amulet is so severe that it overtakes even the regeneration rate due to the Eye 07:42 on the other hand, their finger of death is bar far the most effective way to kill 2 of the 3 riders 07:42 by* far 07:43 <@FrightBox> yeah i have a WoD and finger of death and 280 pw so i think i'm pretty well set up 07:44 <@FrightBox> and honestly +6 magicbane is killing things about as fast as i'm used to with other melee roles if i need to stab-stab for a while 07:44 <@FrightBox> 331hp for a wiz feels pretty ok too 07:45 it's definitely enough. But I recommend carrying some extra blessed scrolls of charging in case 07:45 <@FrightBox> for WoD? 07:45 extra {blessed scrolls of charging}, not {extra blessed} scrolls of charging, though it would be interesting to see how the game would change if you could extra-bless things 07:45 reading a blessed charging while confused gives you full Pw and also increases your max Pw capacity 07:46 fireball and cone of cold are actually kinda nice for astral 07:47 <@FrightBox> oh shit, good to know 07:48 astral could use a revamp, maybe a third or a fourth possible map, like minetown and mine's end have 07:48 more archons 07:48 <@FrightBox> all of the above, i agree 07:49 also would be cool to have some named unique angelic beings that could show up randomly (summoned?), the analog/opposite of the demon princes. The riders are there, yeah, but they're actually kind of pathetic, just persistent :p 07:52 i'm just randomly spouting opinions now because i guess most people are asleep. i never liked the variants that give Demogorgon its own level, because I like that nethack reserves some possibilities as rare outcomes -- that makes them scarier and more interesting 07:53 even though i guess even in vanilla nethack it's not hard to see demogorgon if you really want to, but most people don't want to 07:55 hey now, I'm awake 07:55 I hear astral is pretty exciting in sporkhack 07:56 ooh... any details you know off the top of your head? 07:58 well, mostly that it's not easy 07:59 cool :) yay 07:59 just going by the comments from people who've ascended it 08:00 <@FrightBox> people were talking about it yesterday 2 things i remember 08:00 <@FrightBox> resistances are only partial (a popular change in a few variants it seems) 08:00 <@FrightBox> and thus magic missile can hit you for like 120 damage 08:01 <@FrightBox> that's how lux died there last week 08:01 <@FrightBox> or at least was a contributing factor 08:02 that's cool. That's one of the many things I like about crawl, the partial resistances, and resistances with multiple levels 08:03 Yeah, I am interested in the idea of partial resistances but hope it can be done more elegantly than 0/half/full. 08:05 say more about what you mean by elegance in this context? 08:07 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 08:23 vanilla has a 0/full system, which is pretty inelegant, as it lends itself to binary outcomes. Eat that blue dragon and you never have to worry about getting zapped again. 0/half/full is only a little better, because it usually translates to only taking half damage or something, when in reality there could be a whole continuum of it. Sporkhack does implement that, for the most part. 08:36 if you wanted to be super-annoying you could make it exponential and probabilistic 08:37 so you can never get complete resistance, and the damage is all-or-nothing 08:43 side effects are still mostly all-or-nothing though 08:43 being hit with sleep while 90% resistant still paralyzes you, for 10% of the duration 08:46 jilles: The real kicker is magic resistance, which has SO MANY binary outcomes. 08:52 aosdict, and sporkhack has improved things there as well 08:52 but I think sporkhack's changes to destroy armour aren't really fun 08:53 imho, item destruction is un-fun 08:56 i like item destruction, what i don't like is when creatures quaff potions near me and they have no physical way they could even know i'm there. I hate hearing chugging sounds, that's basically item destruction that i had no chance to avoid 08:56 so i guess, i like item destruction that introduces new interesting strategy 09:01 item destruction can mostly be avoided, but in tedious ways 09:01 putting things in bags, fighting spellcasters at range 09:02 well like, you have to put stuff in bags anyway because of the 52 letter limitation, so for me that isn't a big deal to quickly get a habit of typing aoi?! , 09:03 Through various random chances my default "bag letter" is r, which lets me type things like "aria" or "arid" 09:10 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 09:14 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 09:37 -!- tacco| has quit [] 09:37 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +0 pair of hard shoes on an altar, on T:5177 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3136 points, T:5218, killed by a crossbow bolt 09:58 <@FrightBox> is there a highlight rule or anything i can set up to see things under item piles? I feel like every time i get to plane of water it takes me even longer because eventually the portal gets obscured by a scroll or something 10:03 Unfortunately no. If you have the spare resources, you can repeat the trap detection technique you used to remind yourself of it's location, but items have a higher priority. 10:06 doesn't #terrain have an option to show traps but not objects? 10:06 @FrightBox 3.6 has #terrain. 10:07 -!- ShivanHunterLapt has joined #hardfought 10:08 o/ 10:12 -!- ShivanHunterLapt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:13 Chris__ANG: thanks for fixing the u_init swapwep thing, now it's easier for my valk to force chests 10:13 lol 10:14 also, oh hey, did not know that :) 10:14 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 10:15 ok, this is weird - I prayed to Mars, who was displeased, and then somehow now when I sacrifice I get that Mars is OK, and I never got a message about them being mollified 10:16 at least I don't think I did 10:19 <@FrightBox> thanks aosdict, i was wondering if there was anything permanent though like a colored background hilite or something 10:19 <@FrightBox> plane of water is still a little funky for me and things move around fast enough that i miss the portal and then have to spend another 10 mins just floatin around like an idiot ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 10:20 Only in NetHack4 and its variants, I'm afraid. There's also a 3.6 patch that prevents you from stepping onto traps that are hidden, but it wouldn't help in this specific circumstance 10:23 <@FrightBox> right, no worries just figured i'd ask ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 10:42 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2864 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] jackofclubs (Sam Hum Mal Law), 11806 points, T:5357, killed by a spotted jelly 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Tmasher (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1697 points, T:3304, killed by a yeti 10:55 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 10:56 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 11:01 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 11:10 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 11:10 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 11:17 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 11:19 -!- introsp3ctive is now known as intro\ootc 11:42 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 11:53 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 11:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3449 points, T:4757, quit 11:57 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 11:57 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 12:15 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 12:15 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 12:17 You are hit by a dart. Your leg feels better. 12:17 is that acupuncture? 12:17 :) 12:36 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:40 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 12:41 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 12:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] jackofclubs (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:2031 12:57 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 12:57 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 12:59 TNNT updated (all servers) 13:01 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 13:10 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:15 -!- idf has joined #hardfought 13:15 Hello 13:15 Hello idf, Welcome to #hardfought 13:17 <[Demo]1> tnnturbo 13:18 -!- idf has quit [Client Quit] 13:31 !tell AntiGulp noticed that Yeenoghu's appearance msg is "the humanoid... is covered nearly three meters tall", it feels like a word is missing somewhere 13:31 No worries, aosdict, I've got this! 13:39 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 13:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 13:41 . 13:41 AntiGulp: Messages from aosdict and Tempest_nano have been forwarded to you privately. 13:42 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Client Quit] 14:03 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 14:03 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2068 points, T:2616, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 14:15 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:10806 14:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 14:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 14:47 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:56 K2: I guess it will be a while until you get around to installing the new slex; in that case I'd do one final savebreak, probably in an hour or two, and then the version is really ready. :) 14:57 <[Demo]1> slex attack! 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13254 15:09 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] Primer81 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:6379 15:31 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3892 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:16268 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:16292 16:02 -!- intro\ootc has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 16:05 What do you want to eat? [pET or ?*] 16:05 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 16:05 well, I'm hungry but not *that* hungry 16:11 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:12 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a Woodland-elf corpse, on T:3600 16:20 hi 16:20 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 16:21 LarienTelrunya i'll try and get to it before november 16:21 K2: ok thanks :) 16:26 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3787 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:18456 16:35 NetHack 362-hdf updated (all servers) 16:38 <@reapersan> hey amy do you have a tnnt clan set up 16:38 @reapersan: of course I do, you should also already be invited :) 16:38 <@reapersan> ah ok 16:38 <@reapersan> how does check invites 16:39 TNNT updated (all servers) 16:39 https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/clanmgmt/ - log in and hopefully the invitation will appear! 16:39 @reapersan go to the clan management page 16:39 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 16:39 log in as you 16:39 <@reapersan> > homoslexualjoy 16:39 <@reapersan> oh joy 16:39 <@reapersan> i'm so excited 16:39 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 16:41 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 16:49 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:49 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: hork] 16:49 -!- idf has joined #hardfought 16:49 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 16:50 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 16:50 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 16:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 16:51 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 16:51 @rikersan: yay welcome to the clan! 16:52 <[Demo]1> yey 16:52 What, is it June already? # yes I know 16:52 <[Demo]1> its time for /dev/null 16:52 :P 16:52 Pinkbeast: you're invited too! *bundlebundlebundle* 16:53 I think more than one lot a year is too much for me 16:53 LarienTelrunya, did you get my anti-bundling shield yasi? 16:53 bug_sniper: yes :) 16:54 * aosdict equips his anti-bundling shield 16:54 Where can I find this swap chest 16:55 currently it is located in the oracle room but the location is subject to change for the real tournament 16:55 Ok cool 16:56 `anti-bundling shield` is probably a real item in slex 16:57 K2: alright slex should really be ready for the server now. I'll try to put it on the esm server tomorrow and conduct bug hunting, so when you get around to putting it on hdf, some bugfixes may have been pushed already :) 16:57 now I just need to bundle up some guinea pigs who will test the new version on esm :D can't wait to play it myself either! 16:57 yasi: add sigix broadsword with -5 to-hit, +20 to damage, and that gets damaged over time but gives +20 to ac until it's destroyed 16:58 heh, that one will have to wait until the next development cycle, but I'll add it 17:01 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 17:02 you would want melee accuracy increasers to use it, or a clear plan of escape 17:03 YANI: Add Sigyn as a hallumon 17:03 LarienTelrunya ok thanks 17:05 in slex, there isn't much distinction between hallumons and actual mons 17:05 alright guys thanks for the YANIs, but now it's time for me to go to bed, have to get up at 5:30 tomorrow 17:05 see you! and hopefully I'll succeed in putting slex up on esm tomorrow! โ™ฅ 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:20182 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20186 17:07 yasi: hallucinary multisquare monsters 17:07 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 17:08 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 17:08 that should be a way out of that 17:10 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:32 <@Demo> that sounds like some slex type thing 17:38 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 17:38 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 17:57 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 18:04 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: *poof*] 18:05 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 18:08 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Client Quit] 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh343] oh6 (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 9832 points, T:4603, killed by a wolf 18:26 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 18:39 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:39 -!- nooodle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:40 the game message "I think [foo monster] would mind." is awful, it tells you nothing 18:51 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 18:51 -!- nooodle_ has joined #hardfought 18:54 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:52593 19:12 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Red Mal Law), 22900 points, T:7785, killed by a monster (novice ranger), while fainted from lack of food 19:12 -!- idf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:53746 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed ring of levitation", on T:22623 19:37 interesting first wish -- wonder what the story is there 19:40 <@FrightBox> Maybe dug down after medusa and didn't have a way back 19:41 <@FrightBox> I've found myself in that situation a few times for sure though id look for another way 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:23174 19:42 [hdf-us] [spl] Delraven (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4686 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:23704 19:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 cloak of protection", on T:23743 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:55172 20:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed tin of red dragon meat", on T:23824 20:07 another interesting wish :p 20:08 <@reapersan> !tell Chris_ANG hey heads up cthulhu still sucks to try to walk by as vamp cuz you still trigger the stupid freaking wis drain (even when he's asleep and you have a blindfld on smfh) 20:08 No worries, @reapersan, I've got this! 20:08 <@reapersan> ooh hey variety 20:09 <@reapersan> well I've now forgotten like every map I ever knew 20:09 <@reapersan> thank god dnh removes forgetting items at least? idk 20:11 <@reapersan> !lastgame Luxidream 20:11 @reapersan: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/sporkhack/dumplog/1539712744.sp.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dnethack/dumplog/1530400922.dnh.txt 20:16 Hm. Great Cthulhu specifically should not have blood. 20:16 Chris_ANG: Message from @reapersan at 2018-10-21 20:08 EDT: hey heads up cthulhu still sucks to try to walk by as vamp cuz you still trigger the stupid freaking wis drain (even when he's asleep and you have a blindfld on smfh) 20:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:24002 20:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1343 points, T:1494, killed by a gnome lord 20:20 <@reapersan> chris: hey also harmonium gives a msg on wearing 20:20 <@reapersan> unknown helmet type 20:20 <@reapersan> is it supposed to do anything? 20:20 <@reapersan> also thanks chris I have 3 wis and I don't remember literally any level ever. :p 20:21 weird probability thing, am already in gehennom and have finished the quest, the mines, and sokoban, and explored every level above me, but have never seen a single lamp or lantern of any kind 20:21 <@reapersan> > freezing axiomatic metallic freezing axiomatic stiletto 20:21 <@reapersan> uh 20:21 <@reapersan> chris? 20:23 Oops 20:23 <@reapersan> what's that even supposed to do lmao 20:24 <@reapersan> I get metallic and freezing (I assume it deals (2x?) cold dmg) 20:24 <@reapersan> axiomatic? 20:24 Extra damage to cross-aligned (axiomatic == lawful) 20:24 <@reapersan> oh cool 20:24 <@reapersan> is it supposed to always be freezing, considering oona was fire this game? 20:25 Also, while those would ordinarily do an extra 1x each, Oona's only do +1d6. 20:25 Since a 3x damage Excalibur would be too strong XD 20:25 <@reapersan> LOL 20:25 <@reapersan> again, supposed to be freezing always? 20:26 Not always, but fire Oona dose result in freezing weapons. 20:26 <@reapersan> ah cook 20:26 <@reapersan> *cool 20:26 <@reapersan> so cold oona is burning, and shock oona is what? 20:26 <@reapersan> acid? 20:26 fire->freezing, cold->shocking, cold->flaming 20:27 <@reapersan> oooh nice 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:24536 20:28 I musta tested it, discovered it stopped showing up after excalibur had been dipped for, fixed that, then never tested with the base item again :-/ 20:28 <@reapersan> huh 20:28 <@reapersan> ok 20:29 <@reapersan> how do I generate those? 20:29 <@reapersan> wishable? 20:29 <@reapersan> also, is harmonium just metallic (but lighter?)( 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:24598 20:29 Harmonium is +2 DR vs chaotics, +1 DR vs neutrals 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class L, on T:24599 20:29 <@reapersan> oh 20:29 <@reapersan> huh 20:29 <@reapersan> oh also what's a good AC now 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:24600 20:30 <@reapersan> I have -18 and 9 DR right now, but I've got almost a full asc kit on 20:30 <@reapersan> is that tenable? 20:30 Lets see.... 20:31 I think that's close to a -18 AC on the old system. 20:31 <@reapersan> what 20:31 <@reapersan> really? 20:31 <@reapersan> cuz I have 25 dex and all my stuff is at least +5 20:31 <@reapersan> ok that's a lie nvm it's +4 or better 20:31 It's supposed to work out to an overall nerf to player AC. 20:32 <@reapersan> +7 cloak of unheld one, +5 dex, +5 speed boots, +6 tiedye, +4 war hat, +4 YDSM 20:32 <@reapersan> that used to be like -30 20:32 <@reapersan> seriously that big a nerf? 20:32 That's about 2/3rds of what it was? 20:33 <@reapersan> yeah i guess 20:33 <@reapersan> wait no 20:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:24702 20:33 <@reapersan> tha'ts like 3/4 actually 20:33 True. 2/3rds in terms of DR. 20:34 DR doesn't start randomizing until you get more than 10 points of it. 20:34 <@reapersan> ah yes 20:34 <@reapersan> is 9 DR ok? 20:34 It's like -18 AC (-18 AC subtracted 9 points on average) 20:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 100 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:24839 20:34 <@reapersan> yes but is 9 DR good for DR itself? 20:35 <@reapersan> or should I am for higher DR specifically 20:35 Oh, yeah. Without breaking out the probably-broken spirit/race interactions I think that's pretty good. 20:35 <@reapersan> lol 20:35 <@reapersan> uh 20:35 <@reapersan> what broken spirit/race interactions are there? 20:35 <@reapersan> ya konw, for science 20:36 Half dragons get... I think 5 DR at 30th level? 20:36 <@reapersan> huh that's pretty good 20:37 <@reapersan> it's DamageResistance and ArmorClass right? 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:56314 20:38 Yup 20:38 And Echidna also gives DR... +4 DR at 25 Con 20:38 <@reapersan> huh 20:38 <@reapersan> what abotu orcs? 20:38 And cosmos gives +3 at 30th level 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:25083 20:39 <@reapersan> anything that gives AC? 20:39 No, +5 20:39 Orcs give +3 at 30th (1/10 levels) 20:39 yay, first lamp on the juiblex level 20:40 And clockworks get +1 base, or +5 with the armor plating upgrade. 20:40 <@reapersan> hm ok 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 100 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:25187 20:40 And as usual you can stack clockwork-ness and half-dragon-ness via starting as a half dragon and polymorphing into a clockwork. 20:41 <@reapersan> any OP polyforms? 20:41 <@reapersan> oh of course 20:41 So what does that equal max.... XD 20:41 5+5+4+5? 20:41 <@reapersan> 19 20:42 <@reapersan> AC also starts from 0 now so tha'ts something 20:42 So 28, of which 18 points will randomize. So you'd get 19 DR on average. 20:42 <@reapersan> how does enchantment affect AC? 20:42 AC starts from 10. 20:43 Enchantment alternates between improving AC and improving DR, except for shields which just improve AC. 20:43 <@reapersan> really? 20:43 <@reapersan> oh 20:43 +1 = +1 DR, +2 = +1 DR and +1 AC, and so on. 20:43 <@reapersan> nvm 20:43 <@reapersan> I can't read 20:43 <@reapersan> oh nice 20:43 <@reapersan> wait, so +4 should give +2 to both? 20:43 <@reapersan> or +1 DR and +3 AC? 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25445 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:25446 20:44 +2 to both. 20:44 The displayed DR gets a little wonky because it's an average. 20:44 <@reapersan> uh ok 20:44 AC from all body slots stacks. 20:44 <@reapersan> so +5 should give +3 to DR 20:44 Yeah 20:44 <@reapersan> what about erosion? 20:45 Twice as bad as it was: it applies fully to AC and DR. 20:45 <@reapersan> cuz according this i should have 17 DR not counting erosion, something is wak 20:45 <@reapersan> *wack 20:45 <@reapersan> ok, still like 15 20:45 <@reapersan> what does dex contribute to? AC? 20:45 Your boots, gloves, shirt, helm, and body armor are averaged. 20:46 <@reapersan> oh come on that's lame 20:46 <@reapersan> i want to stack 20:46 <@reapersan> :p 20:46 Because for DR purposes each "hit" chooses a zone to affect. 20:46 <@reapersan> ohhh 20:46 <@reapersan> nvm tha'ts cool 20:46 <@reapersan> what counts for body regions? 20:46 <@reapersan> shirt + cloak + armor? 20:46 <@reapersan> also does cloak not contribute? 20:47 Your body armor covers the "upper body" and "lower body" slot, and the shirt only covers the "upper body" slot. 20:47 Cloaks are really valuable, because they cover all slots. 20:47 So an "upper body" hit will be reduced by your cloak, body armor, and shirt. 20:48 But a "leg" hit will be reduced by your cloak and boots only. 20:48 <@reapersan> oh cool 20:48 <@reapersan> lol, my only +7 bit is my cloak, so that's good 20:48 And there are some oddities with Anas, as usual. Bodygloves and Jumpsuits both cover all slots. 20:49 <@reapersan> reasonable 20:49 <@reapersan> does this change apply to monsters as well? 20:49 Yes. One thing I haven't done yet is make it so monsters can't be "hit" in slots they don't have. 20:50 Like, you can hit a headless monster in the "head" slot, and it will take full damage 'cause it doesn't have a helm. 20:50 Non-existent slots should redirect to the upper body slot. 20:50 <@reapersan> ah 20:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:57231 20:52 Most monsters don't have DR. 20:52 <@reapersan> what kinds do? 20:52 <@reapersan> thick skinned, I assume? 20:52 <@reapersan> and similar "armored" ones, like xorns? 20:53 Sons of Typhon and adult dragons get +5, zombies get +2, crystal dead get +8, and NPC clockworks get +1. 20:53 No, but those are all good ideas XD 20:53 The monster end is a bit preliminary. 20:53 You don't even get your polyform's DR. 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:57305 20:56 <@reapersan> huh 20:56 <@reapersan> also you still haven't fixed "bad monster weapon swap restore" 20:56 <@reapersan> on save/load 20:56 Still can't *find* the cause :( 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed drum of earthquake", on T:26492 20:57 <@reapersan> oof ok 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:26509 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:26514 20:58 Oh, hm. I wonder what happens if they *throw* their swap weapon at something? 20:58 <@reapersan> ... it crashes? 20:58 Does it realize the don't have it anymore? 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:57435 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:57437 20:58 No, like, they wield a dagger in their offhand, then later throw the dagger. 20:58 <@reapersan> oh god chris why do you do things like add lamashtu to the game 20:58 <@reapersan> she just immediately crashed my game. twice. 20:58 <@reapersan> please chris 20:59 Maybe they're left holding nothing? 20:59 <@reapersan> is her lair phaseable? 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:26607 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:57443 21:00 <@reapersan> yes it is 21:00 <@reapersan> idea: vorpal and bisecting things shouldn't dull on engrave 21:00 <@reapersan> because they are "razor-sharp" 21:00 <@reapersan> (at least the tsurugi is) 21:01 Huh. Just wizmode genned her and she didn't crash it for me. 21:01 I'll have to poke around her level. 21:01 <@reapersan> it's probably a spell that she cast 21:01 <@reapersan> but then again we have noted my weird bugs before 21:01 <@reapersan> might be an os x thing 21:01 <@reapersan> again 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:26764 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:26767 21:02 Or a dNAO vs my dev copy thing (which isn't quite like any other dnh build on the planet >_<) 21:02 <@reapersan> lol 21:03 And it's particularly bad at this point, bc I've been accepting pull requests, 21:03 and that strands things on dNAO only until I do the comparatively laborious process of merging back from there to local. 21:04 <@reapersan> ah no wonder you take so long to merge things 21:05 Nah, *that's* just 'cause I don't remember to check. 21:07 <@reapersan> > Vorpal Blade decapitates the invisible Dispater! 21:07 <@reapersan> ok 21:08 <@reapersan> thanks for gating that I guess 21:11 Going afk for a while 21:12 <@reapersan> ok 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:28364 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:28365 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 248 points, T:1347, killed by a gas spore's explosion 21:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:28522 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:28617 21:21 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Cha), 822886 points, T:28633, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cropper/nh361/dumplog/1540087887.nh361.txt 21:40 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has joined #hardfought 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 823 points, T:1434, killed by a bat 21:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 61 points, T:118, killed by a goblin 21:56 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 21:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:62085 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:62089 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:62160 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:62169 22:17 TNNT updated (all servers) 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:62517 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:62525 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 858 points, T:2909, killed by a wand 22:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63028 22:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63426 22:45 "Its flesh is seared! Its flesh's flesh is seared! You kill it!" 22:45 So that's not fixed then -_- 22:46 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 22:46 <[Demo]1> damn 22:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64072 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64388 22:51 jonadab: devteam yesterday reflagged monst.c to put difficulty right with the monster. monstr.c is gone. 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64574 22:52 implications for xnethack and especially splicehack... we will need to put in those difficulties for any monsters we added 22:52 ... I don't think I've added any monsters. so it's just splice then 22:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3013 22:54 !tell AntiGulp Back up your copy of monstr.c, any new monsters you have added to splice will need to get reflagged for difficulty when you merge next. see commit f222023 in vanilla 22:54 Will do, aosdict! 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law), 2194 points, T:3205, killed by a black unicorn 23:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64919 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:65170 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65170 23:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:65536 23:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:65581 23:22 !lotg nooodle 23:22 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, nooodle! 23:23 !help 23:23 NewbProgrammer10: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:65633 23:25 thank you :) 23:25 *tips fedora* M'Lady 23:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4353804 points, T:65639, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hypnotist/nh361/dumplog/1539895984.nh361.txt 23:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law), 26 points, T:60, killed by a sewer rat 23:27 !asc hypnotist 23:27 nooodle: [hdf-us] hypnotist has ascended 41 times in 84 games (48.81%): nh362:41 (50.62%) 23:28 !asc Xaleth 23:28 NewbProgrammer10: [hdf-us] Xaleth has not ascended in 26 games. 23:28 !streak hypnotist 23:28 PavelB: [hdf-us] hypnotist Max[nh362]: 12 (2018-07-16 - 2018-09-06). Current[nh362]: 1 (since 2018-10-18). 23:29 Ya, decided to begin this streak with a tourist so that I'm not in the position I was with that streak of 12, having to play tourist 13th 23:29 nooodle, was that a cockatrice nest on dlevel 24? 23:30 yes 23:30 my level abbreviations are getting terser, I've been writing "c nest" for a nest and just "c" for a single cockatrice 23:32 e is for evil? 23:32 floating eye 23:32 so that i remember where they are in case i need to murder. I murder a lot 23:33 "&" seems to generally indicate foocubus even though there are a bunch of other & 23:33 oh, I see 23:33 and u0 is for coalligned unicorn I guess 23:33 true, foocubus is the only one worth remembering for me. 23:33 and u0 = neutral u, u+ lawful, u- chaotic 23:34 but really i rarely need to keep other ones alive 23:34 i have these weird fear I'm going to suddenly need to pursue an alignment change strategy but really, I've never done that (except at the final high altar) 23:34 so i avoid converting altars whenever I can, for instance, so that I can use them to convert *me* later if needed 23:34 but it's never come up 23:35 I should do _- for chaotic altar, _0 neutral, _+ lawful 23:35 nethack should really just keep track of that on its own, but..... :p 23:44 yeah, nethack should keep track of where floating eyes, unicorns, and seen cockatrices are 23:44 call that a yani 23:44 yani? 23:44 yet another new idea