00:06 random q: are gaze attacks like the Pyrolisk's affected by AC? 00:07 <@Luxidream> no 00:07 damn 00:07 <@Luxidream> they can’t miss and aren’t affected by damage reduction 00:08 welp it's dead now anyway 00:17 Gaze attack monsters must have the magical power to compel your eyeballs towards them. 00:22 yeah, as you can see from the fact that closing your eyes doesn't work without a towel around your head 00:57 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:37421 01:10 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:11 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 01:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 01:36 Why do dwarves insist on digging weird diagonal paths 01:37 They make the dungeon look so ugly 01:40 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:44 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- Ixoth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:52 they're dicks 02:20 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- Ixoth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:43 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 02:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] u42586 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 662 points, T:1722, killed by a dwarf 02:51 yeah, those diagonals also make it hard to follow them while wearing heavy armor 03:06 -!- AlbertB has left #hardfought 03:08 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 03:11 -!- AlbertB has left #hardfought 03:12 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 03:18 -!- AlbertB has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:19 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:33 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 03:33 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:33 -!- K2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:33 -!- raisse is now known as Guest54733 03:33 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 03:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 03:33 -!- Guest54733 is now known as raisse 03:33 -!- K2 has quit [Excess Flood] 03:33 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 03:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 03:41 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:46 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 03:47 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 04:07 !help 04:07 PeterQ: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 04:07 !whereis Chansu 04:07 PeterQ: Chansu is not playing. 04:15 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:18 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:21 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 04:26 -!- Ixoth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:41 hmm.... 04:41 !tell 04:42 I think that will throw an exception. Should really check for that and put in a usage message. 04:43 Oh, hmm. Arsinoe's code will just ignore it, I think, because it doesn't match the regex. 04:44 Though if I wanted a usage hint for it, I could probably add tell as a custom trigger in the config, and that would probably work. 04:47 Yeah beholder just blindly goes and looks at the next word after !tell to see who it's telling... 04:47 I wonder if that stops it from working next time... 04:48 !tell Tangles fix my code, you numpty. 04:48 Will do, Tangles_! 04:48 seems good. 04:48 oh lol 04:48 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 04:48 Something you want to tell me? 04:48 Tangles: Message from Tangles_ at 2018-10-19 04:48 EDT: fix my code, you numpty. 04:51 I'd like to put a usage message in anyway, in an effort to make things a little more self-documenting, since all we currently have is a !commands list, and a !help command that just points to a webpage. 05:06 3.6.1 bug: if there's a square containing both a trap and an item, the game can't decide which one it wants to draw, and it keeps changing 05:07 or tnnt bug to be precise 05:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:12 lol this gnome kind jumped onto a teleport trap twice, and ended up just 3 squares away both times 05:12 rip 05:12 gnome king* 06:15 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:16 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 06:27 -!- Ixoth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:41 -!- lonjil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:48 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:54747 06:54 -!- Tempest_nano1 has joined #hardfought 06:54 -!- Tempest_nano1 has quit [Client Quit] 06:54 -!- Tempest_nano1 has joined #hardfought 06:55 -!- Tempest_nano1 has quit [Client Quit] 06:58 -!- Tempest_nano1 has joined #hardfought 06:58 -!- Tempest_nano1 has quit [Client Quit] 06:59 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 07:00 -!- lonjil has joined #hardfought 07:22 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed One-Eyed Sam the Arms Dealer, on T:46802 07:40 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 07:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21417 07:48 -!- Ixoth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:53 shivanhunter: I've seen that with clairvoyance in particular 07:54 I'll see something on a dungeon feature, then clairvoyance will kick in and overwrite it 07:57 Not a TNNT bug, a vanilla one. Report it to the devteam. (We certainly haven't touched vision code.) 07:58 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 07:58 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ 'The November NetHack Tournament' build is now open for public beta testing, please see the tournament menu for details 07:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 07:58 !ping 07:58 K2: Pong! 07:58 !tell 07:58 K2: !tell (leave a message for someone) 07:58 neat 07:59 !tell K2 07:59 aosdict: !tell (leave a message for someone) 08:29 !players 08:29 K2: [hdf-us] SL3XM3 [tnnt] u42586 [nh362] hypnotist [nh362] dgoddard [nh362] tempest [spl] | [hdf-eu] khamul [tnnt] AlbertB [tnnt] spontiff [nh362] | [hdf-au] Tangles [tnnt] 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6780 points, T:3095, killed by a guardian naga, while paralyzed by a monster 08:50 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4902 points, T:6388, killed by an invisible Uruk-hai 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 78 points, T:218, killed by a kobold zombie 09:05 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:48486 09:17 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 904 points, T:2207, killed by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1428 points, T:2319, killed by a hobgoblin 09:33 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 09:49 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:39694 09:50 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed the master key of thievery", on T:39696 09:50 sweet 09:52 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 helm of brilliance", on T:39698 09:52 hah that's first time ever i've gotten +5 from a wish in sporkhack 09:52 \o/ 09:53 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +5 gauntlets of power", on T:39702 09:54 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +5 silver spear", on T:39730 09:54 what, no more DIRGE? 09:55 were you always a chaotic knight or did you convert? 09:55 spork has cha knights 09:55 yup started as a dark knight 09:55 aosdict: i am two-weaponing 09:55 K2 is batman 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 426 points, T:1285, killed by a small mimic 09:56 (in deep raspy voice) i'm batman 10:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:28406 10:00 <[Demo]1> DIRGE 10:01 \o/ 10:01 (in deep raspy voice) DIRGE 10:02 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 10:03 heh 10:03 -!- Tempest_nano1 has joined #hardfought 10:04 -!- yamboGS has joined #hardfought 10:04 I WIN ITS 5 AM HERE 10:05 (except unsure how to go from here) 10:05 ah hell 10:05 I WIN ITS DIRGE 10:05 are they back? 10:05 -!- yamboGS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:5129 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 12650 points, T:8010, killed by a yeti 11:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:09 -!- Ixoth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 11:24 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 11:24 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 11:36 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 11:36 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 11:38 -!- Ixoth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:38 -!- Tempest_nano1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:40 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 11:40 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:52 does anyone else like... make totally unnecessary moves just because they move while they think in real life? cuz I do... it's such a bad habit, I like take an item out of my bag, think about it, then put it back in the bag 11:53 sometimes yeah ;) 11:54 this is one reason my turncounts are always so ridiculously high 11:54 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:42327 11:54 or i'll pace back and forth while I think 11:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:04 <@FrightBox> i'm constantly taking one flavor of thing out of my bag when i really need to take multiple things out 12:04 <@FrightBox> like i want to bless some enchant armor scrolls 12:05 <@FrightBox> take out the scrolls, then take out holy water seperately 12:05 <@FrightBox> but oh wait i have some unlabelled scrolls i could write a few more? 12:05 <@FrightBox> take out magic marker 12:05 <@FrightBox> then take out unlabelled scrolls...seperately 12:05 <@FrightBox> rinse and repeat for 80k turns 12:05 <@FrightBox> partially this is because you cant page back and forth between the inventory menu (can you?) 12:06 use < and > to page up and down 12:07 -!- tacco| has quit [] 12:08 nooodle: you just changed my life 12:08 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:52391 12:09 haha. I would actually disable the use of spacebar if I could, because it's too annoying to exit an inventory list by accident, and could be downright dangerous if doing so causes the "take item out of container / put it in" action to complete by accident when a necessary item has not been selected yet 12:11 -!- Ixoth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12 <@FrightBox> my god, i knew by asking someone would have an answer imma try that right now 12:12 oh, I do the thing with doing things separately too... the thing is, it's annoying *not* to do that sometimes, like if you are using the item type submenus, which I usually do to cut down on accidental selections 12:12 <@FrightBox> can confirm, noodle has also changed my life 12:12 i have wide fingers 12:13 <@FrightBox> yeah i'll still use type menus, but even if you're just doing scrolls/poitions/tools you get into the 2 page territory 12:13 <@FrightBox> i think as far as turncount goes it's a wash though actually 12:13 <@FrightBox> because it's more turns the more items you take out right? 12:13 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:52515 12:14 turncount, yes, but there are safety situations where it might matter... i guess when you are in a situation where you know you need every turn you can get, you are more careful than that. You don't just fumble around with your bag while the jabberwock is mauling you 12:14 FrightBox, no, weirdly.... one "take out" action takes the same amount of time regardless of whether you are taking out 1 item or 52 items 12:14 same with putting in actions 12:15 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 12:15 <@bugsniper> @FrightBox would you prefer it if nethack had cogmind's inventory management? 12:15 <@FrightBox> oh wow weirdness about the turncount 12:16 <@FrightBox> and i would prefer anything to make nethack's inventory management less tedious 12:16 <@FrightBox> at least without a BoH 12:16 if nethack really wanted to, it could have something like an extended inventory action, where you can do several consecutive "take out" actions on the same container and the turn doesn't end until you say so. But... that's not nethack's way, i guess. Like how when it asks you for a wish you are terrified that if you like press F5 it'll exit the wish prompt and laugh at you 12:16 <@bugsniper> drag armor onto you and onto the floor or into a bag of holding section 12:17 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:17 nethack needs to merge the patch where you can select all identified items, all unidentified items, all seen items, and all unseen items 12:17 or if the last two don't exist, they should, since for blind games it would be incredibly useful 12:21 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 12:21 FrightBox, do you do the thing where you always put certain items on certain letters in each game? I find that super useful for speeding up some common actions, though it can lead to mistakes if you aren't in a really good habit of making sure the item is on the letter. Like, I have pickaxe on c, towel on P, luckstone on F, unicorn on v, etc 12:21 extinctionist playthroughts turn into like 50% inventory management 12:21 At least mine did 12:23 I kinda wish #adjust had a key assigned to it, like #name/N 12:23 Because I press it so often 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:1651 12:23 i totally agree. same with loot and offer tbh 12:24 Like, I don't think we need a #tip key, or a #turn key, but adjust is way more common than tip 12:25 loot has l bound by default 12:25 on number pad only 12:26 i don't think I have an l key on my number pad (?) 12:27 OPTIONS=number_pad:1 12:27 no, if you move with numberpad, that frees up yuhjklbn for other commands 12:28 ohhh.... i could not do that, hjkl is way too worn into my brain 12:28 yeah I don't think I could switch the other way, numpad is ingrained for me too 12:29 I play on a macbook air so I have the clearly insane control setup of moving using the TOP ROW NUMBERS IN A LINE 12:29 that's insanity 12:29 Obvious solution: a mode where you move with ctrl-h, ctrl-j, ctrl-k, ctrl-l, ctrl-y, ctrl-u, ctrl-b, ctrl-n. 12:30 like what's next, using a rotary-dial phone 12:30 nooodle: donkey kong bongos 12:30 omgggg 12:30 Voice recognition. YOu move by saying "go east", or cetera. 12:31 Webcam where you have to point in the direction 12:31 sometimes i wonder if i were in prison if i would be able to play a very slow game of nethack where someone visits me, gives me a screen print out, then I tell them what I want my move to be 12:31 NetHack by SnailMail? 12:32 contact nethack 12:32 "search". <4 days later> "search". 12:33 <@FrightBox> yeah i totally do that nooodle, though none of the same keys that you've picked 😉 12:33 <@FrightBox> why do you put luckstone on a key? 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2951 points, T:3347, killed by a wererat, while sleeping 12:34 because it's a common operation to do something like "put all the gems in the box except for the luckstone" 12:34 <@FrightBox> i've been playing with ext_menu option on and that's sped a few things up 12:34 <@FrightBox> makes dipping/looting/etc decently fast 12:34 <@FrightBox> ah yeah that's a good idea then cuz i definitely do that 12:34 So then you can just do "*F" for "all gems except the luckstone" 12:34 <@FrightBox> it's funny how you get so in the mode for things you just stop thinking about more ways to speed things up 12:35 another thing I do is that I put my "unsafe" bag on W, because it's a key that's very unlikely to press by accident 12:35 jonadab: nooodle: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1990 12:36 A lot of the time if I changed something like that to speed up, I definitely would slow down. 12:36 <@FrightBox> unsafe bag? like your non BoH/ 12:36 <@FrightBox> ?* 12:36 aosdict: that's masochistic 12:36 it was a joke at the time 12:37 FrightBox, any item I have that might blow up a BoH. Either if it's in the main inventory, or if it's inside a sack/oilskin that contains multiple unsafe items (or items of unknown safety level, such as unseen wands) 12:37 if I have multiple unsafe items, I use X, Y, and Z also 12:39 I have w on main weapon and W on two-weapon 12:40 the BoH (or other general container) I always put on 'o', quivered item on 'Q' so that quivering it is QQ, main weapon on j, second-hand weapon in k... I add them one by one and get used to a new one for a while before I add more 12:40 the next one I'm going to remember is lizard corpse 12:43 I always have lizard on e so I can mash eeeeeeeeeee and feel better 12:44 <@FrightBox> haha, gotta do what you gotta do 12:45 I keep armor in order, ABCDEFG 12:45 i do same 12:45 I keep armor on QWERTY sometimes 12:45 Tshirt, suit, cloak, boots, helmet, gloves, shield 12:48 <@FrightBox> i should definitely adjust armor 12:48 <@FrightBox> i've never put on so much armor as playing this wiz 12:48 <@FrightBox> just constant outfit changes 12:48 <@FrightBox> at least make them lowercase so i dont have to fiddle with the shift key 12:49 i go cloak/body armor/shield (or t-shirt)/helmet/gloves/boots 12:49 i'd reserve a letter for pants if WE HAD PANTS 12:50 <[Demo]1> i_am_a_master_of_wearing_pants 12:50 <@FrightBox> haha yeah never thought about the fact that we're all pantsless adventurers 12:51 <@FrightBox> i'm not about to start kink shamin though 12:51 Ixoth, there should really be an option to never have cockatrice corpses on y or Y, far too dangerous for me :p 12:51 heroes wear frocks. ask Pinkbeast 12:52 no pants, no underwear. Knights start the game not wearing any shoes or socks, which is strange 12:52 <[Demo]1> c corpse usage is in most cases bad operational security 12:53 -!- Ixoth has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 12:53 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 12:53 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:42919 12:54 You just get really used to typing "ey" when you want to eat the corpse you're standing on. Actually, aosdict, this was one of the things I really really liked about xn, that "eat the item I'm standing on" is special 12:54 so if you have a cockatrice corpse on y and you are somehow mistaken that you are standing on anything edible, both of which are rare, but both of which do happen... boom 12:55 <[Demo]1> it's rarely worth the risk to carry a trice corpse 12:55 i do it allll the time 12:55 I never go into the endgame without a cumulative 20+ wand of death charges 12:55 nooodle: credit FIQ with that, he wrote the getobj patch 12:55 yay FIQ 12:55 SLASH'EM does something very nice: it always gives you a menu to choose what you want to eat, instead of those 20 inane prompts when you're standing on a heap of corpses :D 12:56 I know, it would be like going into a restaurant and asking for the menu and they say, "No, sorry, we don't have a menu. But can I interest you in a salad? How about another salad? How about another salad? ..." 12:56 The only time I ever actually used a cockatrice corpse, I died on the way up by falling on ice and aosdict found my bones file 12:57 <[Demo]1> I only use them when there isn't a better option 12:57 <[Demo]1> the odds I'll zone out and do something dumb are too high 12:57 i have at least 3 deaths by cockatrice corpse just on the hypnotist account, several in late game, but... each time forces me to get even more careful. And I have gotten more careful 12:57 "There is a lichen corpse here, eat it?" n "There is a goblin corpse here, eat it?" n "There is a wolf corpse here, eat it?" goddamn it I just want to eat the troll corpse "There is a cockatrice corpse here, eat it?" y (fatfinger) "Do you want your possessions identified?" 12:58 Larien, same with the "tin the corpse here" prompt. Not as dangerous, though I guess if you tin the c corpse by accident while not wearing gloves 12:59 yeah, I'm just so glad for SLASH'EM's menus 13:00 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Wonotobo on T:26485 13:00 SLASH'EM has so many improvements for vanilla, that it's IMHO what vanilla should have been :P 13:00 of course it also has annoyances, like having level ups take way longer in the early game 13:01 LarienTelrunya: I am seriously considering putting together a patchset that is all the stuff from xnh that is *just* an improvement on vanilla, without adding any actual new stuff. 13:01 for bilious I guess? 13:02 -!- Ixoth has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 13:02 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 13:03 i would switch to slash'em but the leap is too much for me, it would be like having to learn an entire game from scratch, and i'd probably get confused going back to vanilla 13:03 with, say, crawl, there's not much confusion because the two are so different. 13:03 nooodle: switch to slex *bundlebundlebundle* :D (sorry I just couldn't resist) 13:03 we have the original slah'em here ya know 13:04 slash'em 13:04 I don't think there's any universe where slex is less confusing than slash'em 13:04 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 44226 points, T:26716, killed by an energy vortex 13:04 K2: is slash'em junethack-ready? if yes, it should participate next year, I'd play it :) 13:04 yes it is 13:04 needs more work but its ready for junethack now if bhaak wants to include it 13:05 with slex, i don't want to deal with the super-secret invisible traps that make me think i am encountering bugs / or make me just have a worse time without even knowing it 13:06 interface screws != good 13:06 slex to me is more of an experiment in just putting every single thing the devs can think of into the game 13:06 like, bam, the concept of "potion" was just deleted from your universe with no warning, you'll think you're going crazy, muhaha 13:08 the problem with slex is that its kitchen sinkiness is so high that it's pretty much impossible to guarantee that everything in it is a quality addition that will improve the game 13:08 yess, kitchen sinkiness is already becoming a thing 13:08 though this would be an appropriate place to measure it with quantity rather than ratio 13:09 This is an issue with most of the "high additional content" variants 13:10 I dunno, dnethack does pretty well 13:11 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:43395 13:12 well, it's not like vanilla doesn't have its share of dubious quality additions 13:12 But at least I'm used to those 13:12 truth 13:12 "The poison was deadly!" 13:12 i've never played nethack when there wasn't deadly poison 13:13 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15 I just got two consecutive coaligned temples on two consecutive floors 13:15 Game feels bad for all the orcish towns 13:18 nooodle: yes you have, you played xnh :) 13:20 oh true 13:20 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:43631 13:20 why did they originally add that though? Wanted to make poison resistance more important? 13:21 Instead of deadly effect, it could have a debilitating effect like curare in crawl -- something like paralysis or a temporary "Slow" effect 13:22 in sporkhack it greatly reduces max HP I think 13:22 (instead of instakilling) 13:22 sporkhack instakills 13:23 you're thinking xnethack and i think splicehack 13:23 what?! it does? 13:23 K2: actually in xnethack I removed all of the special "poison was randomly much stronger than normal" logic 13:24 but... I've read KoboldLord's sporkhack LP! and he always talked about how he could lose max HP to poison but never about how it would instakill him! 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] Primer81 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6217 points, T:6863, killed by a gold golem 13:25 i might be wrong 13:25 K2: I'm not sure why so many people look at that mechanic and say "Yes... I like this whole idea that poison will rarely and unpredictably be super effective, but instakilling is just a BIT too far, so I'll implement something that's almost as bad." 13:25 but DIRGE here is instakilling a lot of stuff 13:26 look in the source amy 13:26 aosdict heh 13:26 i'm fine with the poison instakill 13:26 its a concern early game but it also helps the player 13:27 from sporkhack's source: /* used to be instantly fatal; now just gongs your maxhp for (4d6)/2 * ...which is probably pretty close to fatal anyway for low-levels */ 13:27 nethack likes long tail distributions, and I agree with that, to some extent. Like the long tail on prayer timeout distribution 13:27 probably player-versus-monster poison instakills are still there though 13:27 super-effective-poison-but-rarely is kind of like a long tail "distribution" with two possibilities 13:29 it's fun to sometimes experience very rare occurrences, be they good or bad, because it makes the game *feel* more random. See also: banishment in previous versions of crawl 13:29 <@FrightBox> what do you do if the shopkeep wont move? 13:30 <@FrightBox> i dont have anything unpaid, but dudes just chillin 13:30 are you invisible? 13:30 i usually m-move into him until he gets the idea. Not sure if saying "Pardon me" does anything different than waiting 13:31 <@FrightBox> ah i was, forgot i took off armor to cast spells and just took it all off 13:31 <@FrightBox> just a naked invisible wiz 13:31 Randomness is the soul of roguelikes and if that means poison instadeath, then so be it 13:31 nooodle: I generally hold the philosophy that if you're doing nothing wrong, then you don't deserve to die with no warning. 13:32 Even when Tariru lost his streak, there were some bad decisions there. 13:32 I'm sure I'll get screwed by it later today but for now thats my stance 13:32 <@Luxidream> but people die doing nothing wrong IRL 13:32 real life is a roguelike :D 13:32 to that I say: NHINRL 13:33 <@Luxidream> yeah you're right. the chance to die from a fall onto poison spikes IRL is much higher 13:33 <@Luxidream> than the chance of dying in nethack 13:33 <@Luxidream> so in that regard nethack is much more fair than real life 13:34 in nethack you can also just walk into a general store and sell all the useless items you found, I wish it would be that easy to make money IRL :D 13:35 <@shadowsapex> hacking enemies to death and selling their equipment? 13:35 <@Luxidream> you can find free pancakes in nethack. that doesn't happen too often IRL 13:35 <@shadowsapex> it's illegal here 13:35 YANI/YASI: specialized shops buy stuff for higher prices than general stores, so that ring that goes for 150 in the jewelry shop only gives, say, 50 if you try to sell it to a general store instead. 13:36 -!- Ixoth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:36 <@Luxidream> I haven't tried offering corpses in real life but I assume you can't get badass weapons 13:36 <@Luxidream> nethack +! 13:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:36 <@Luxidream> +1 13:37 LarienTelrunya: so you mean, general stores buy stuff for _less_ than the specialized shop. 13:37 yeah 13:37 sorry, my wording was probably unclear 13:37 When you put it that way, it sounds nerfy 13:38 it was meant to be a nerf :) 13:38 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44083 13:38 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44084 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Primer81 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 127 points, T:816, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 13:41 player-v-monster poison instakills are still there. no point in reducing a monster's maxHP, they're only at it briefly anyway 13:41 plus, why make a cool toy that doesn't do what it says on the tin? 13:41 DIRGE 13:41 <@Luxidream> would dirge be op at double damage 13:42 <@Luxidream> like everything resists poison later 13:42 it still confers drain res 13:42 thank god 13:43 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:44 hmm I guess slex should implement dirge at some point :D 13:45 after all, we can't have it that a different variant has artifacts that don't exist in slex! 13:45 you mean it hasn't??? come on, how long has sporkhack been out? 13:45 LarienTelrunya you lessen your variant everytime to steal content from other variants 13:46 just a blanant 'omg look new stuff i'm taking it' 13:46 K2: huh? other variants also look at each other for stuff to implement sometimes 13:47 I'm confused how this lessens slex, as opposed to expanding it 13:47 sure other variants will trade bits and pieces 13:48 but everytime i see someone come out with something new, you almost immediately grab it. everything it seems, with no intent to at least put a twist on it to make it unique 13:48 well, slex doesn't settle for little pieces, it wants to be the full package! 13:49 and strangely enough, even with all the stuff added to it, slex is still balanced! 13:49 hah. no. 13:49 thats like fox news saying they're 'fair and balanced' 13:49 and that they're news 13:50 technically you could make the claim that no nethack flavor has perfect symmetry 13:50 in fact, balanced would be relative 13:50 what might be fine for person A isnt balanced at all for person B 13:50 but anyways 13:50 * K2 gets off his proverbial soap box 13:51 Weren't there more magic lamps in earlier versions? Definitely 3.4.3? 13:51 I feel like I never find them as much 13:52 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:53 sorry amy i was a bit harsh there 13:53 just irked me 13:53 K2: don't worry about it :) I know that I'm probably the only one who considers slex to be balanced. 13:54 :( 13:54 rebatela: that was not changed, except possibly the impact of orctown guaranteeing zero lamps 13:58 that must be what it is 13:59 <[Demo]1> when ndnh drops it's gonna be such an unbalanced piece of shit 13:59 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 13:59 <[Demo]1> I tucked the early game 13:59 [Demo]1: let's see if you can make it more unbalanced than dnhslex! :D 14:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] Primer81 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1624 points, T:2736, killed by Ms. Kiltamagh; the shopkeeper 14:13 <[Demo]1> well I'm gonna actually try to balance it 14:26 -!- Ixoth has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 14:26 -!- Ixoth has joined #hardfought 14:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:38 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:55146 14:39 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:55212 14:42 go jilles go! 14:42 grand tour? 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 2592 points, T:4068, quit 14:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:53 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:06 -!- Ixoth has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:14 grats jilles! 15:17 congrats jilles! 15:19 thanks 15:20 I was a bit afraid of the player monsters with magical long swords; they could be vorpal 15:21 by the way it's almost impossible to keep a pet alive for any substantial time in grunthack 15:21 monsters attack pets without provocation 15:21 would be cool if when a monster wields vorpal you hear "a distant snicker-snack" or at least *something*. You get warned for werejackals, for crying out loud 15:22 the Vorpal Blade artifact announces itself in most cases 15:23 a vorpal (object property) sword appears as just "a magical long sword" (if you're a wizard) or "a long sword" 15:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:28 <@FrightBox> what's the failure chance for writing informally identified scrolls? 15:28 <@FrightBox> cant find the actual statistic on the wiki 15:28 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:29 <@Tone> 0 15:29 <@Tone> You can write it based on its appearance from your discoveries list 15:29 <@FrightBox> haha really? well lets get this line off the wiki f you have only informally identified "remove curse", your attempt will be subject to the normal failure chance from trying to write an unidentified scroll. 15:30 <@Tone> That's accurate 15:30 <@FrightBox> what's the "normal failure chance" it's referring to? 15:30 <@Tone> You can't attempt to write "remove curse" if it isn't formally identified 15:31 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:31 btw, for that reason, when I am "calling" an item class to remember what it is, I always use an abbreviation. It helps remind me, when I see that item. Because "scroll called remove curse" looks a lot like "scroll of remove curse". It helps me 15:31 <@FrightBox> that's what i mean, in this case i know a scroll is scare monster, but it isn't formally ID'ed 15:31 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 15:31 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/502926876843704340/unknown.png 15:32 <@FrightBox> so can i write this guy with the all caps name successfully? 15:32 you don't need all caps, any case works as long as your spelling is otherwise right 15:32 but right all caps if it makes you feel powerful 15:32 write* 15:32 <@Tone> You'd have to write "zelgo mar" or whatever 15:33 <@FrightBox> it does make me feel powerful, so i'll definitely be using caps 15:34 i think you could in theory try to write scrolls you hadn't ever seen yet, but there are more possible names than there are possible scrolls, so going through the possible name list you'd have a lot of failures. But maybe not as many failures as trying to write by its identified name 15:35 <@FrightBox> yeah i get that part, the wiki phrasing just threw me off 15:35 <@FrightBox> nooodle you got a trick for going up/down stairs faster? fast travel + stair symbol + stair symbol again is always just a bit annoying 15:36 <@FrightBox> i like the variants the just implement the stair symbol as fast travel as well 15:36 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47261 15:37 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) picked up the Book of the Dead, on T:47267 15:40 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 15:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:49 <@Luxidream> You can still mess up writing scrolls from the label 15:50 I don't think you can. 15:50 <@Luxidream> I think this is put in place to prevent players who know all the labels to obtain a scroll from process of elimination 15:50 <@Luxidream> really? I’ve had it happen to me before 15:50 <@FrightBox> looks like we got a real mystery on our hands 15:51 <@FrightBox> the wiki leads me to believe you can always fail if you haven't formally ID'ed it...but it hasn't happened to me and i dont know the chance 15:51 <@Luxidream> I’ll wiztest or source dive once I’m home 15:59 @Luxidream the change that was added was fixing the old behavior of "you can write a scroll by real name if you have type-named it". this would allow you to exploit it by finding all 300zm scrolls, type-naming each one something, and then having a 100% chance of writing genocide 16:00 under current behavior, you can find all 300zm scrolls, but you still only have a 25% chance of writing geno 16:00 (but whichever label you pick, you will certainly get that) 16:05 <@FrightBox> does disintigration resistance protect your stuff? 16:07 <@Tone> Nope 16:09 <@FrightBox> hmm, out of habit i reverse geno'd gray dragons, but i think what i really want is SDSM for this wiz 16:09 <@FrightBox> oh well, RIP mm charges 16:09 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 9915 points, T:4004, killed by a Grey-elf 16:18 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:56399 16:31 K2: with so many variants now available, it's possible we should just throw out the king of the world and just install a counter on how many variants have been ascended. 16:32 i like kotw 16:32 bhaak: why? you forgot that Tariru exists and is capable of getting kotw :D 16:32 it's usually 0-1 person 16:32 with bells on, I might add 16:32 bhaak: You don't think anybody's going to do all variant/race/role/alignment combos? 16:32 apparently the title is something people strive for. if you just show the naked number, it might not be so devastating to not be able to ascend a gazillion variants in a month 16:32 why not have both kotw and a counter? 16:33 variant/race/role/alignment/conduct combos? 16:33 LarienTelrunya: I'm not sure Tariru. not that being a human is a condition for joining junethack. 16:33 *I'm not sure Tariru is human 16:33 well there's the joke that he's my bot, because of his slex ascension streak :D 16:33 i guess we can also count stth as demigod 16:34 pretty sure he ascended grunthack on his first game 16:34 I keep trying to talk Adeon into taking back the longest-streak title, but he says he doesn't play NetHack anymore. 16:35 <@FrightBox> any hints on where the swap chest will be once the tourney starts aosdict/K2? 16:35 something makes me think that he joined tnnt though 16:35 jonadab: many people only do stupid things when they are young 16:39 @FrightBox we're considering having two of them, where each works independently 16:39