00:01 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law), 4600 points, T:4858, killed by a blast of frost 00:01 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 398 points, T:1784, killed by a giant bat 00:16 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7289 00:17 aaand there's the bot IDing the luckstone for me again! 00:21 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 11215 points, T:7657, killed by a vampire in bat form 00:29 That notice should probably be for *reaching* mines end. 00:30 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:34 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 00:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:39 -!- dograt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:40 -!- ProzacElf_ has left #hardfought 00:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 01:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:31 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 01:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:27974 02:38 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 03:26 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:30 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:44 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54 !rng wizard | wizard | wizard | wizard | wizard | wizard | ranger 03:54 ShivanHunter: wizard 04:10 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2322 04:22 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:34 [hdf-us] [tnnt] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law), 6638 points, T:8207, killed by a mastodon 04:37 omg I think I literally just got the bones file AlbertB left 04:37 there's a mastodon in this mines level and it's definitely bones 04:38 the RNG must really want to kill me 04:39 On a related note, charm monster is the most OP spell in the game 04:46 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:13 [hdf-us] [tnnt] shottyscotty (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:11298 05:14 [hdf-us] [tnnt] shottyscotty (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 7642 points, T:11371, quit 05:19 this Gus Van guy was seriously asking me for a link to the slex source code even though it's linked on the wiki... how lazy can one be :P 05:21 what is about this dude 05:21 i only hear that he vandalizes the wiki 05:22 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:36948 05:23 he's putting info about slex on the wiki, but it's all just based on his in-game observations, including giving base items for artifacts that are randomized per playthrough, based on the base item in the one playthrough where he saw it 05:23 ow 05:24 and some weirdness about the wand of cancellation including implying that "Amy probably can't remember all the details about her own game and I know it better than her" :P 05:24 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Gus_Van 05:25 -!- lel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:25 literally "As for AmyBSOD's statement I'd suppose that the sheer number of items in SLEX won't permit to have all details accurately in her mind. Some code diving should be necessary" But he is too lazy to code dive himself, apparently. 05:25 !lastgame Cropper 05:25 Tangles: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cropper/nh361/dumplog/1532145981.nh361.txt 05:25 man what an asshole 05:26 in fact, if he had just done a little research, he should have been able to find the public github repository or the zipped source code without having to ask me! both are linked on the slex page :P 05:26 and his line "I must admit, SLEX is quite extreme. Not at all balanced like other roguelikes." I better leave uncommented ;) 05:27 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 05:27 lol 05:27 well it _is_ not balanced :v 05:27 but i hardly know an actually balanced roguelike 05:27 certainly not in the *hack variants 05:28 unnethack comes close 05:28 LarienTelrunya, do you have html dumplogs ? 05:31 stennowork: probably not 05:31 ok 05:32 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 05:32 also, with my latest acu game I had the feeling that slex's midgame is rather well-balanced; I didn't minmax as much as Tariru though, so I guess if one plays like Tariru, the mid- and late game of slex may be unbalanced in the player's favor 05:33 it's just so many monsters and items that it's hard to strike a balance imo 05:33 the randomness itself is a huge part of slex gameplay i feel 05:34 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 05:34 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law), 43743 points, T:7485, killed by a monster (katoiseful) 05:35 IMHO just having many monsters and items is not innately unbalanced though :D 05:36 well if you have an overview about all your monsters and items and when they can or cannot be generated 05:37 and about each combination of item and monster 05:37 and so on 05:38 and which (undocumented) nasty traps exist etc. 05:45 -!- PeterQ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:47 the nasty traps are also balanced though, because the nastier ones are more rare :D 05:57 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law), 550 points, T:1188, killed by a wand of gravity beam 05:57 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 9682 points, T:6131, killed by a pyrolisk, while reading a book 05:58 bollocks 05:59 pyrolisks are terrible 06:03 agreed 06:08 -!- Muadd has joined #hardfought 06:11 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] u42586 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3526 06:13 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:29 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 812 points, T:1708, killed by a rothe 06:32 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law), 11191 points, T:2343, burned by a pool of lava by a cheep-cheep 06:36 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 06:37 -!- tempest has joined #hardfought 06:37 -!- tempest has quit [Client Quit] 06:40 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:41 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 06:47 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 06:56 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law), 1098 points, T:1322, killed by a bullet 06:58 !who 06:58 FIQ: [hdf-us] u42586 [nh362] Leeroy [slex] tempest [spl] | [hdf-eu] Hill [tnnt] AlbertB [tnnt] elenmirie [tnnt] | [hdf-au] No current players 07:23 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) had The Marauder's Map bestowed upon her by the storm, on T:4615 07:49 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 07:50 hi FIQ 07:55 hi 07:55 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 08:05 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 5692 points, T:8395, killed by a lion 08:06 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 12 points, T:44, killed by a geyser of acid 08:10 NetHack 362-hdf updated (all servers) 08:12 o7 08:12 weee 08:12 hi stennowork 08:12 salut 08:12 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 08:13 bonjour 08:13 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 08:13 nihao 08:13 denied 08:13 FeelsBadMan 08:13 ahoi 08:13 heh 08:13 ahoj 08:13 aloha 08:13 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 08:13 dayum Beholder not so polyglott 08:16 TNNT updated (all servers) 08:19 i'm being waaaaay to productive this morning 08:19 wtf 08:19 less coffee 08:19 * K2 doesnt drink coffee 08:19 strange 08:19 its bean juice. yuk 08:24 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24 that's not how juice works, no 08:26 BEAN 08:27 JUICE 08:29 <@Tone> I'm having a cup of leaf juice right now 08:30 @Tone gets it 08:31 my wife refers to coffee as 'The LifeForce™' 08:33 lol 08:33 i think i will have some cocaine + cola nut juice later 08:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:34 good call 08:34 better than bean juice ;) 08:35 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:43427 08:35 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:40 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 08:41 !coffee 08:41 * Beholder hands Tangles a cup of Blend 43, fermented by Rodney at 8 Kelvin. 08:41 ice-coffee is a thing. 08:42 !beanjuice 08:42 ^ this needs to become a thing 08:42 heh 08:42 lol 08:43 (also, Blend 43 tastes no worse stone cold than it does hot, so there's that...) 08:43 i will take your word for it ;) 08:44 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:44240 08:48 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 21 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:44599 08:53 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:44787 08:53 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 08:54 -!- Tempest_nano1 has joined #hardfought 08:58 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:09 [hdf-us] [tnnt] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3290 points, T:7669, killed by a fire ant 09:09 well fuck 09:10 bones will suck, all my scrolls/potions/spellbooks burned up 09:11 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 09:11 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:17 <@Demo> if you play !bones can u leave bones? 09:20 no 09:20 not in 3.6 at least 09:20 in 3.4.3-NAO, you still leave bones 09:21 <@Demo> thanks for knowing cause I don't know if anyone else did 09:23 i am sure there are others which also know that 09:24 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:20710 09:26 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] u42586 (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 4328 points, T:5113, quit 09:33 -!- Tempest_nano1 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4142 09:46 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a pair of little black boots bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:23492 09:48 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:59082 09:49 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an orcish helm on an altar, on T:5888 09:50 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:59096 09:54 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) had The Marauder's Map bestowed upon her by the storm, on T:6102 09:55 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:59131 09:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5024 points, T:5949, killed by a wolf 10:00 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1627 points, T:2519, quit 10:02 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 8837 points, T:6319, killed by an owlbear 10:02 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:59171 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 10:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:03 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a pair of walking shoes bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:24467 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:11202 10:13 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) had The Marauder's Map bestowed upon her by the storm, on T:1714 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1084 points, T:2689, killed by a werejackal 10:21 according to the wiki, dnethack half-dragons have wings "sprout from their back" when they attain level 14. I have to wonder what happens if you're at level 14, and you're fighting vampires or wraiths or something that keeps bringing you back down to level 13 and then back up to 14. 10:23 YASI for dnethack: if your half-dragon is wearing a cloak when he sprouts wings, the wings tear the cloak apart. 10:24 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:61148 10:24 just cut slits in the cloak 10:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:61149 10:30 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:30293 10:32 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:30328 10:33 K2, what databases are you running for the games? 10:33 for tnnt? 10:33 yaeh sure 10:33 none 10:33 i mean do you parse xlog every time? 10:33 uh oh 10:33 ok 10:33 yes 10:33 ok 10:36 once every 30 sec 10:36 might bump that to once every 20 sec 10:37 only takes 1-1.5 sec for the script to run fully 10:39 when you acquire perm. poison resistance and you already have it from an external source, you get the "especially" message. How come you don't also get an "especially" type message with other intrinsics when you have the corresponding extrinsic? 10:40 "You feel especially full of hot air" 10:40 * K2 gasps 10:40 the devteam didnt think of everything 10:40 :O 10:41 if you notice you are especially healthy, that should mean you were aware that you were somewhat healthy before, so why doesn't extrinsic poison resistance auto-ID 10:41 nothing makes sense 10:43 <@Luxidream> this is also a world where when you zap a wand of fire at a tree it bounces off and hits you 10:43 fair point 10:44 one skeleton key opens every lock in the entire world 10:44 <@FrightBox> man i need someone to give me some more early game tips on wizards, specifically around the minetown/soko/luckstone area i keep splatting around there and i'm not sure what i'm missing 10:44 your faithful steed will calmly be led into water up past its head and drown itself 10:44 <@FrightBox> i've tried the valky wizard that lux suggested, but daggers just aren't cutting it for killing anything before it can kill me 10:45 the WoY maintenence crew didnt have funds for different locks 10:45 one key to rule them all 10:45 lol WoY maintenance... they should rush in like mail daemons and fix things sometimes 10:45 @FrightBox ranged attack is your friend as an early wizard 10:46 K2, derp of course you don't have !lg and the like 10:46 whether its spells, daggers, darts, etc 10:46 FrightBox, I think wizard is just hard. I think I rely heavily on pets, wands, ranged weapons, literally anything until I get useful spells 10:46 <@FrightBox> yeah i suppose i haven't focused enough on ranged 10:46 <@FrightBox> maybe time to start focusing an early aklys 10:46 learning to use pets effectively is important IMO -- others disagree. But try playing pacifists if you want to really learn pet-fu 10:46 <@FrightBox> because i also seem to just always run out of ranged shit before actually killing anything 10:46 stennowork not yet 10:46 !who 10:46 Tangles: [hdf-us] oh6 [tnnt] Eleven [tnnt] hypnotist [nh362] jim [nh362] | [hdf-eu] Hill [tnnt] AlbertB [tnnt] spontiff [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 10:47 we've talked about an !lg function but that would be some work 10:47 and it'd all rest on Tangles' shoulders 10:47 since you have magic resistance that means that relatively early on you can displace any cat or dog onto a polymorph trap to try to get something stronger 10:47 <@Luxidream> If you get good armor wear it. If you get good spells prioritize that 10:47 also, make sure that you test scrolls on the ground to see if they are scare monster before picking them up 10:47 i am learning about graphql right now which makes those things really easy 10:47 learning about/working with 10:48 <@Luxidream> It’s kind of a balancing act for me 10:48 a wizard that has sleep or healing as their 2nd starting spell has a much easier time early game 10:48 <@Luxidream> You’re just far more likely to find dwarven gear than you are to find a spellbook of healing, charm monster, etc 10:48 monk spells ftw 10:49 <@FrightBox> yeah sleep start definitely means i can get past soko sometimes, but still struggle if i get overwhelmed or soemthing 10:49 there are a lot of skills that generalize across all roles, and I find that playing conduct games is a good way to learn those skills, because they force you to do things in ways you might not otherwise think of. Suddenly, you feel equipped to deal with situations in non-conduct games, like not having an altar, or being blinded for a long time 10:49 <@FrightBox> why do most people start as an Elf Wiz? just because the highest Int cap? 10:49 <@Luxidream> elf is bad 10:49 <@Theyflower> Low str 10:50 <@FrightBox> yeah seems like a nightmare, haha 10:50 elf wiz is a longterm decision I think, because it means that in the late game you can use gauntlets of power with almost no penalty, so the low innate max strength doesn't hurt you at that point. 10:50 Elves have high Pw potential, to answer the question rather than attack its premise. 10:50 <@FrightBox> i've been rocking a gnome just cuz i love gnomes in DND 10:50 i like how in conduct play, the value of certain items changes so much 10:50 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:50 conduct is the best thing about nethack, i love it to death 10:50 for paci, magic whistle is the most important thing, while artifact weapons are worthless 10:50 me too! 10:50 its an awesome mechanic to allow infinite replayability 10:50 yes 10:51 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 407 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31528 10:51 and you can make your own rules as a player which is also awesome 10:51 elven wizards rule 10:51 higher int/wis and sleep res at lvl 4 10:51 and infravision 10:51 <@Luxidream> orc wizard > elf wizard 10:51 gno wiz ftw 10:51 you are fake news 10:51 <@Luxidream> fight me 10:51 ;) 10:51 when you play illiterate, you learn how to get by without enchant weapon and armor... when you play atheist, you learn how to get by without intrinsic protection (unless you eat rings) 10:51 at least we can all agree that hum wiz sucks 10:51 <@Luxidream> yes 10:52 orc wiz probably easiest in the beginning 10:52 NAO stats: race,count(*): 1) Elf,2265; 2) Hum,1477; 3) Gno,846; 4) Orc,345 10:52 those are ascensions 10:52 why no love for dwarf wizards? 10:52 <@Luxidream> Is that a challenge 10:52 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 10:53 because it's not a thing in vanilla, LarienTelrunya 10:53 because you can't play dwarf wiz in vanilla 10:53 also it shouldn't be a thing in any variant 10:53 dwa wiz doesn't make sense, lorewise 10:53 i'd expect them to have something like runesmiths or so 10:53 i don't see, though, why samurai, tourist, and others can't be other races... don't gnomes do tourism sometimes 10:53 <@Theyflower> It makes sense in the skex canon 10:53 there are two variants where those can be a thing :D that said, I can test whether they can also be in spork 10:53 you can play dorf wiz in sporkhack 10:53 hard role race combo 10:54 doesn't sound that hard 10:54 apart from them being lawful 10:54 dwarves start with low int/wis and their power regen sucks 10:54 stennowork: [backscroll] at some point, making your own rules as a player just gets boring. like, I have some interest in maybe doing pacifist one day, but I have no interest in ais523's inventoryless challenge, because it would be awful 10:54 but orc wiz is nice because immediate poison resistance. Pretty much why I play orc anything, ever. 10:54 you basically become a low str tank until you can get the eye 10:54 <@Theyflower> What the heck is invdntoryless 10:55 aosdict, is there an inventoryless conduct in nh4/ 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1231 points, T:2356, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 10:55 @Theyflower well, reduced-inventory. 10:55 pacifist is like a whole other game, it's very fun. Same with blind. And not to mention combining them with other conducts... 10:55 <@Luxidream> ais523 is just in love with limiting player inventory 10:55 <@Luxidream> For some reason 10:55 Like, you can only have 9 items in inventory and no containers 10:55 so that is a real conduct 10:55 illiterate atheist is trippy 10:55 AND wizards in spork take a severe spell casting penalti when wearing body armor 10:55 <@Luxidream> It’s not difficult, just extremely tedious 10:55 penalty 10:55 stennowork: I don't think it's a real conduct. 10:55 good so 10:56 because only ais523 likes to do that 10:56 <@Tone> @FrightBox I want to do a video soon where I review one of my ttyrecs that I think serves as a particularly good example of surviving the early games as a wizard: leveraging ranged attacks, starting pet, and Elbereth to survive 10:56 here with 'conduct' i meant things that are observerd by the game 10:56 E word is a crutch! 10:56 stennowork: yes 10:56 dont use it :P 10:56 so i can later look in the xlog and see which conducts the player has followed 10:56 this is what i meant with 'conducts' earlier 10:57 but i do totally recommend the scare monster testing thing... Scare monster is like super-elbereth, and yes it can burn, but that's rare in the early game 10:57 does ?oSM work against riders btw? 10:57 K2: If I replaced T:1 elbereth with something like the dnh wards system, the only people who would NOT hate me forever are: 1) me 2) you 3) maybe some dnh players 10:57 i don't think ?sm works against the riders 10:57 ;) 10:57 stennowork: no, but it works against minotaurs and all @ 10:57 but it's really funny when riders flee for othe rreasons 10:58 ah pity 10:58 (or not) 10:58 I inadvertently hit famine with magicbane once and he/she/it turned to flee 10:58 run away, run away! 10:58 <@Theyflower> They 10:58 them 10:58 okay 10:58 respect nonbinary riders 10:58 <@FrightBox> yeah i can quite reliably get my starting pet into a good place, and i suppose a few times i've left them behind in soko because they're annoying to manage and that became the death of me @Tone, guess i just need a bit more discipline and patience 10:59 in my last game death turned to flee because I was hitting so hard apparently 10:59 I only have to respect nonbinary riders in SpliceHack. 10:59 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 10:59 <@Theyflower> You can drop cursed items to block pets in soko 10:59 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 11:00 and they flee when you take pictures of them 11:00 the only things riders are afraid of: magicbane, getting hit too hard, and photography. 11:00 also, i assume you are price testing things, FrightBox... some people don't do it because it's tedious, but it's much less tedious if you have a sack and a large cat/dog, then you can price test things in bulk 11:00 EEK NO I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO MY MAKEUP THIS MORNING 11:00 i look like death :( 11:00 <@Theyflower> You use they when referring to someone whose gender is unknown. Like if crosetus thought the cellar was dirty and forgot the gender of his janitor he might say "someone please fetch the janitor so that they can clean this place up!" 11:01 and FrightBox if you find a scroll that's 300, you might have genocide, which often lets you get dragon mail without a wish 11:01 yes, you don't need to educate me, I do it all the time (only not this time, sorry if I offended) 11:01 <@Theyflower> Oh good:) 11:02 also someone whose gender is irrelevant, like said janitor (as long as they have a broom and know how to use it) 11:03 also FrightBox i assume you know about eating floating eyes for telepathy, then blinding yourself to check what's on the level... I do that frequently, like looking in my rear-view mirror when driving. You just want to know what's around. 11:03 <@Theyflower> Poor janitor doesn't even get to use a vaccum 11:04 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:62876 11:04 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:62876 11:04 <@FrightBox> yeah i've got all those things down (except the geno for DSM, I know about it but haven't tried it yet) 11:04 <@FrightBox> what's the trick for price testing in bulk with a sack + large cat/dog? 11:05 large cats and dogs have huge carrying capacity, so they can often carry a bag that has a lot of items in it, especially if it is a bag of holding. So you can sell the entire bag, or have the pet carry it into the shop, to obtain the buy-prices for a bunch of items 11:06 this is also a way to test the price of scrolls without risking losing them if they are scare monster 11:06 when a pet carries an item into a shop, the shopkeeper owns it even if it isn't their normal inventory type, so this means you can price test in any shop, even testing scrolls in food shops (say). You don't need a bag for that, but it makes it much less tedious 11:07 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:63109 11:07 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:08 this is also how you can get the appearance for a bunch of items in a blind game, since you can sell the items then have the pet steal them en-masse. Oh, yeah, bags are great for stealing things en masse. 11:08 i thought they addressed that in 3.6.2 11:08 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:32563 11:08 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:32564 11:08 addressed which, stenno 11:11 stealing with bags 11:11 <@FrightBox> you just have to wait for the pet to pick up the bag though right? 11:11 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 11:11 and then whistle it out of the shop 11:12 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 11:12 i steal with bags all the time in 3.6.2 11:12 i thought this was listed and fixed as a bug i 11:12 hrm 11:12 I know the 3.6.0 fix was that pets won't pick up stacks of gold anymore. 11:12 tripe rations are common, also, and you should learn how the apport mechanic works -- pets become super-stealers when you use tripe or eggs to max out their apport 11:13 <@FrightBox> yeah i'm familiar with apport, but haven't dug in. Sounds like i'm gonna have to if i'm ever gonna get a wiz off the ground 11:13 thought that was this one C360-26 fixed You can cheat shopkeepers. 11:13 aah ok 11:13 you don't have to do any of this stuff, but helps to be aware it exists, i guess. Some people never bother with stealing and they do just fine 11:14 * stennowork is such a person 11:14 at least if you aren't going to steal items, maybe put potentially dangerous wands inside containers so monsters don't take them and use them on you 11:15 yes, it was C360-26 where you could put gold into a bag or box on the shop floor belonging to you, and get credit, and take the gold out again without losing the credit 11:16 (and then buy stuff with the credit and sell it back and so bankrupt the shopkeeper) 11:16 haha duh 11:16 you can still bankrupt shopkeepers but it's a lot more work 11:16 very easy to do with a sack 11:16 and a pet 11:16 Right. it's still quite easy with bags, just sell the bag and all its contents. 11:17 that is also convenient 11:18 mostly I just fill the sack with gold (kittens and puppies can pick up a sack with 5000 gold in it) 11:18 let kitty steal the sack 11:18 ooh never thought of that 11:18 if you pile everything else in the shop into a corner, and put something cursed on top, then kitty will always choose the sack 11:19 dirty tricks 11:19 once you have enough credit then you can do whatever you want 11:20 and maxing out apport is simple, just make sure to give it the treat (throw tripe or let it eat an egg from the ground that you have previously carried at some point) right after it drops an item near you 11:20 I call it shopping more efficiently 11:20 did you know that you don't get alignment when stealing as a chaotic rogue? 11:20 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:63403 11:20 that is so wrong 11:21 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:63408 11:21 nor do you get penalized at all for stealing while lawful 11:21 I thought that was only for stealing by pet 11:22 and that stealing in person does affect alignment 11:22 raisse, not for chaotic rogue 11:22 apparently, if you'd steal from a shop as a rogue, that'd be a lawful action 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15827 11:23 (lawful in the sense of their believe system) 11:23 i think that was the argument about it 11:24 makes me want to play a rogue as they start with a sack 11:24 \shopping" is so easy 11:24 "shopping" 11:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63504 11:26 What is "tnnt"? 11:26 teenage november nethack tournament 11:26 I meant the variant ofc 11:26 <@Tone> It's the tournament beta 11:27 ah, 3.6.2 based then? 11:27 <@Tone> Yep 11:27 thx 11:28 <@Luxidream> only teenagers can play? 11:28 I still read it as "tmnt" all the time 11:28 anyone can play, i'm just being silly 11:28 "The November Nethack Tournament" 11:29 I'm playing and I'm as old as 4-5 teenagers 11:29 so do I Grasshopper 11:29 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Quit: two forces in balance \\ ancient endless balance \\ then nothing] 11:29 Nethack in a half-shell 11:30 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 11:31 <@Luxidream> I guess the name is official now 11:31 teenage newtant ninja turtles 11:31 <@Luxidream> I thought it was a placeholder for a long time 11:31 it's a good name 11:31 better than novemhack or so 11:31 There was a discussion, ideas floated, "TNNT" is what settled 11:32 All are invited to join clan Teenage NetHack Ninja Turtles. I'm not a teenager, it's not an entry requirement. 11:32 <@Luxidream> do you have to be named after an artist though 11:32 -!- Tangles is now known as Creosote 11:33 no 11:33 -!- Creosote is now known as Tangles 11:33 It helps if you are a mutant 11:33 that would be me o/ 11:33 but i am already in ootc :/ 11:34 yeah I'm not changing colours any time soon 11:34 * raisse is already admin of teamsplat 11:34 rip paci run 11:34 !gt Splat! 11:34 someone teach that to Beholder 11:34 <@Luxidream> go team gecko 11:34 <@Luxidream> the floating eyes of pacifist 11:35 geckos, newts 11:35 has there even been a 3.6.2 minscore yet 11:36 !seen spontiff 11:42 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64983 11:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 911 points, T:3553, killed by a gnome lord 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "the blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:17506 11:54 > Most fresh corpses (even the poisonous ones) will slide down a barbarian's gullet like an eel in a waxed tube. 11:54 Colorful descriptions from the NH wiki 11:55 funny but unneccessary 11:55 which article? 11:55 man I'm so totally making that into a rumor :D 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1899 points, T:3369, killed by a giant beetle 11:56 ah found it 11:57