00:00 [hdf-us] [nh362] woodstea23 (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10997 00:18 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) had The Marauder's Map bestowed upon her by the storm, on T:2114 00:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:33 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6638 00:34 ok, that time, I had no idea whether it was the luckstone or the flint stone 00:38 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:40 Abusing the system, smh 00:41 it's not a huge issue - I just learned the spell of ID anyway, and I was mapping out the whole level because it was the one with the spellbooks 00:41 but def a bit of a spoiler 00:57 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a brown potion on an altar, on T:3318 00:59 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3325 01:00 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "the blessed greased fixed +3 historic partly eaten Master Key of Thievery", on T:8812 01:15 [hdf-us] [tnnt] shottyscotty (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a warg corpse, on T:5093 01:15 [hdf-us] [tnnt] shottyscotty (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 8112 points, T:5126, poisoned by a rotted quivering blob corpse, while helpless 01:19 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10258 01:20 FINALLY I CAN CARRY STUFF 01:27 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 01:29 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 01:38 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 01:40 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:51 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:52 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 02:09 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6006 02:11 [hdf-us] [tnnt] shottyscotty (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 8472 points, T:5988, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant 02:11 !gt a 02:11 aww there's no !gt command anymore? 02:17 "The arch-lich turns to flee. The arch-lich turns into a newt!" XD 02:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:22 ShivanHunter: Beholder has never had one, you need Rodney on #nethack for that 02:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:36 well Beholder needs one then! :P 02:48 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 02:49 -!- uniusz has joined #hardfought 02:50 hello friends o/ 03:13 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:8143 03:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] shottyscotty (Hea Gno Mal Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a newt corpse, on T:3990 03:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:39 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:17604 03:40 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10347 03:51 -!- uniusz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:13 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:30 -!- hf_guest_25737 has joined #hardfought 04:32 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:13481 04:46 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:50 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:14008 05:01 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anhur, on T:21293 05:01 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:05 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Durin's Bane, on T:40225 05:12 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:13 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:22184 05:13 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22188 05:21 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:22430 05:40 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:41780 05:41 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "holy marker", on T:23392 05:42 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "holy marker", on T:23393 05:42 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "holy marker", on T:23395 05:44 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 polished silver shield", on T:41815 05:53 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "holy marker", on T:23914 05:55 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "holy marker", on T:23948 06:08 -!- hf_guest_25737 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 06:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:32 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:36 -!- uniusz has joined #hardfought 06:38 !who 06:38 uniusz: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh362] | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh362] 06:40 damn, spellbook of magic missile at start for wizard ;d 06:41 nice 06:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:47 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:02 traveling with "_" is always on the shortest way ? 07:14 ShivanHunter we never had !gt here 07:14 that's a NAO/rodney thing ;) 07:15 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:25311 07:15 I always preferred ^_^ 07:15 hey Grasshopper 07:15 Hi K2! 07:15 long time no see 07:16 yeah, had my head in arcade stuff for a while 07:16 gotcha 07:16 My electronics skills have gone up a level 07:16 nice. love it when that happens 07:17 We are also focusing on a swimming pool 07:17 which will be my baby 07:17 hah 07:18 all this past summer, at least 2-3 times a week from mini-me 'daddy can we get a swimming pool?' 07:18 nnnnnno 07:18 By comparison, I'm yet to get finish Swimming Pool A01 07:18 its not ideal up here 07:18 wouldnt get to use it 6 months out of the year 07:19 and i dont want to have to clean it the other 6 07:19 yeah, kinda essential for me here, but I can imagine how it'd be 07:20 oh yeah... if i lived in a warmer climate, i'd want one 07:20 and make me kid clean it 07:20 the daily routine of cleaning it doesn't worry me, might have to hire a pool boy/girl for when I'm away 07:21 hah 07:21 ok gotta go to work see you from there 07:21 !lotg 07:21 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, K2! 07:21 I'd Cheerz K2! 07:25 -!- tempest has joined #hardfought 07:25 welcome back Grqasshopper! 07:25 Grasshopper 07:30 Yeah Tangles \o 07:31 3.6.2 happened lol 07:38 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:26574 07:39 Mind restoring a game for me? Splicehack username tempest. 07:39 tempest: Message from AntiGulp at 2018-10-13 19:12 EDT: I fixed the bugs that you noticed. 07:41 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:47 Grasshopper: It did... Well, technically it's the dev branch, not a release, but it's good... keeps it fresh :) 07:49 I'd better go and ascend for 3.6.2 then 07:52 Also been kept away from nh because had hand surgery (left), so it became difficult 07:52 didn't stop me soldering though :P 07:55 lol 07:55 I think soldering is more of a 2-handed job than nethack., 07:56 Soldering is a 3-handed job really :P 07:56 !tell k2 Tempest's game is recovered. 07:56 Will do, Tangles! 07:57 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 07:57 -!- tempest is now known as Tempest_nano 07:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:59 hi 07:59 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 07:59 K2: Message from Tangles at 2018-10-15 07:56 EDT: Tempest's game is recovered. 07:59 Tempest_nano another crash? 08:00 Yup, I am compiling it myself to see if I can reproduce a couple of these crashes. 08:00 Maybe something I am doing is making me more susceptible. 08:01 !tell antigulp crash is at muse.c:304 "if (obj->otyp == WAN_HEALING && obj->spe > 0) {" - It's getting there with a null obj. 08:01 Will do, Tangles! 08:01 i have another coredump 08:02 and it looks like Tangles already did stuff with it 08:02 ;) 08:02 Yeah, he set me up 08:02 \o/ 08:03 Another healing related crash... 08:05 Is there any reason not to kill peacefuls with impunity as a chaotic? I have never really played them before. 08:07 Tempest_nano: there's still a fairly hefty alignment penalty for killing "Always peacefuls" (watchmen, shopkeepers, priests), so you have to keep an eye on that. 08:07 ty 08:07 <@Demo> here I go killing again 08:08 God I can't wait until R&M comes back. (if that indeed is a reference) 08:09 !tell antigulp full backtrace for the last tempest crash here: https://0x0.st/sEcA.txt 08:09 Will do, Tangles! 08:10 this reminds me of the whole lawfulneutral/chaotic debate 08:10 chaotic != evil, basically 08:11 (and lawful != good, not necessarily anyway) 08:11 does lawful represent good and chaotic represent evil? or is the hero fundementally good and the alignment is just different variations 08:12 in the original D&D (with one-axis alignment) chaotic meant evil most of the time, because monsters were chaotic 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] u42586 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1224 points, T:1412, killed by a magic missile 08:12 right 08:12 but the two-axes model allows for permutations like lawful evil and chaotic good 08:13 lawful evil = basically Mike Pence afaik 08:13 ;) 08:13 lol 08:13 hah 08:13 (I mean I'm not so well-versed in US politics but that's how he comes through in the media I read) 08:13 you're not wrong 08:13 's true 08:14 i think chaotic in nethack is supposed to be 'evil' 08:14 tell that to my loyal-to-Anhur orcish wizards! 08:14 you get bonuses as chaotic from sacrificing same race on a co aligned altar 08:14 its the one axis model 08:15 well, it's also an orc-eat-orc world, so there's that 08:15 and nethack pulls a lot of content from d&d 08:15 I only played classic D&D once and then I was a dwarf cleric so mandatory lawful 08:15 a played *a lot* of d*d and ad&d as a kid/teenager 08:15 recycled her for an AD&D game as lawful neutral 08:15 d&d 08:16 brb 08:19 Tempest_nano: the healing thing should be a pretty simple fix, it's just not following the same code practice as other stuff in the function which first checks if the monster is carrying it 08:19 I just looked at the backtrace K2 captured from the other day... it's exactly the same. 08:20 Ahh. Then I'll see if I can track down the "more info" errors then instead. 08:20 Crashes when I look at something and ask for more info when there is no database entry. It doesn't happen for antigulp, so I need to suss what is different for me. 08:21 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4525 08:32 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 15741 points, T:10975, killed by a watchman, while sleeping 08:33 Okay, so I misjudged the watch 08:36 ;) 08:38 tangles, soldering is easier than typing with one hand! Here is a pic of me opening the mail just after getting back from hospital: https://postimg.cc/Jy1HSryb 08:38 <@Demo> play nethack with ur toes 08:39 <@Demo> bad news guys. I just realized something that is gonna get me taken out 08:39 This is what I'd done with one hand in about a week: https://postimg.cc/PCN5DC8V 08:40 wtf happened to your hand 08:40 another centipede attack? 08:40 <@Demo> but the way tariru manages to streak slex is by playing with his feet, anyone can do it and it makes the game easy 08:40 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 222 points, T:739, killed by an acidic corpse 08:40 * Tempest_nano headdesek 08:40 <@Demo> now I'm gonna go hide before I get bundled to death 08:43 @demo I'm an "Extreme Nethacker" and am familiar with playing in challenging environments, like while abseiling, parachuting, snorkeling etc 08:43 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scroll of charging", on T:7232 08:43 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:43 <@Demo> is there a tnnt trophy for those environments? 08:44 <@Demo> cause there's so many I wouldn't be surprised if there is 08:44 Unfortunately my electronics often fail me 08:44 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:7233 08:45 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 08:45 <@Demo> well yeah you need a more rugged nethack machine 08:45 @K2, had to remove a ganglion that had come along after I lifted a bag of concrete weighing around 70kg or so 08:45 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:7237 08:45 ouch 08:46 @demo in all seriousness, I should have been awarded the "Purple Heart" trophy at least a couple of times 08:46 <@Demo> heh 08:46 for playing NH tournaments while in hospital etc 08:46 rofl 08:47 we'd have to setup a GPS plugin for player accounts via dgl 08:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:47 The centipede one in particular, although the bike accident in South-East Asian no-mans land was a good one too 08:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:48 <@Demo> why you getting hurt so much? :P 08:49 @demo, I must deserve it for sins in a past life or something 08:49 because Grasshopper is actually an international man of mysetry 08:49 misery? 08:49 *mystery 08:49 but the "NetHack Purple Heart" is only given to people that hurt themselves while playing NetHack 08:49 <@Demo> heh 08:49 In 12 months I has 3 different limbs disabled 08:49 gdammit 08:49 had 08:49 you know what limb is next Grasshopper.... 08:49 <@Demo> I can't tell if that's good or bad 08:49 THE limb 08:50 if it's limb, it's not of any use anyway 08:50 K2 then my wife will be very sad 08:51 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:7582 08:54 we cant have that 08:54 <[Demo]2> has grasshopper beat all the nethack monsters irl and is that another trophy? 08:55 @demo I didn't get to eat the centipede, so still lack poison resistance 08:55 not *all*, and I think we can count the centipede as having beaten him 08:55 but I picked up some dengue resistance a few years ago (4 days in hospital for that) 08:55 why didn't they cook it for you in the hospital? 08:57 raisse, it ran away (fortunately), unlike IRNH (In Real NetHack) where they keep on attacking 08:57 ah, right, it had quite enough legs to do that with 08:58 @demo The Mekhong river, which is nearby, is meant to be a good place to find nagas (according to legends anyway) 08:59 <@Demo> fightem and eat them so you can get poison resistance so you can get back at that centipede 09:00 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:09 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 180810 points, T:46247, killed by a gray dragon 09:11 damn 09:11 i bet that was on the quest 09:12 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:9799 09:12 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9858 09:12 !lastgame mightyquinn 09:12 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mightyquinn/sporkhack/dumplog/1539269258.sp.txt 09:13 probably. spork is a hard slog. 09:13 mightyquinn has been at it for ages. Hope he (or she) eventually gets one across the line. 09:13 yup quest 09:13 yeah me too 09:13 he/she has been close before 09:14 !asc mightyquinn 09:14 K2: [hdf-us] mightyquinn has not ascended in 239 games. 09:20 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:20 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:10863 09:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:21 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 09:22 geckos? ok... 09:23 yeah, they are terrible 09:23 get into my arcade cabs, shit all over the place 09:24 yeah but they are cute :) 09:24 wish I could genocide them, but then I'd probably just get most mostquitoes and spiders 09:24 most/more 09:24 mosquitoes damn 09:25 heh 09:25 ok I have to sleep. THink I stayed up too late last night, now I 09:25 am crashing 09:25 'night! 09:25 gnite Tangles! 09:27 nite Tangles 09:32 argh. just saw that i hit with pickaxe. I've had SO many weaponless runs ruined by hitting like twice 09:32 oh well. I guess the only way to do it is to never wield it 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 303 points, T:960, killed by a hobbit 09:39 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:42 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 09:43 I don't remember, is there a YAFM about geckos trying to sell you insurance somewhere in nethack? 09:44 <[Demo]2> there ought to 09:44 yes there is 09:45 if you chat to a gecko or hallucinatory gecko or shopkeeper while hallucinating 09:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 09:48 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 10:01 -!- Sigyn has quit [Quit: People always have such a hard time believing that robots could do bad things.] 10:04 -!- Sigyn has joined #hardfought 10:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Sigyn] by ChanServ 10:12 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 10:27 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:27 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 10:31 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:32 -!- Cassieopeia_ has joined #hardfought 10:34 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:35 -!- Cassieopeia has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:37 Any suggestions for a Mask to wish for in splicehack/ 10:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:43 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "mask of master mind flayer", on T:172 10:52 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 10:53 -!- uniusz has quit [Quit: uniusz] 11:00 -!- PeterQ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:07 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15042 11:08 Oh wow Grasshopper is back! 11:08 <3 11:10 General question for 3.6.2-dev players: If you're in a game in which you've found a bones pile, and you do #overview, does the overview show you the "Final resting place of foo ... killed by bar"? 11:11 Not in the dumplog or final dungeon overview at game end, while the game is still running. 11:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:16 <@Tone> I have an active game with bones levels that I could check later, but I'm sure someone will be able to answer that by then 11:17 yeah an active game would be best, can just check it immediately 11:18 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 11:18 because I think a vanilla bug is blocking a TNNT achievement 11:18 aosdict: it does not 11:20 hothraxxa: thanks. confirmed as a bug then 11:20 will report and hope it gets fixed 11:22 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:14990 11:22 oh wait you said active 3.6.2-dev game. i am in a tnnt game. sorry about that 11:23 tnnt builds on the latest master, doesn't it? 11:23 hothraxxa: yeah should be the same 11:23 ok. just clarifying 11:23 raisse bones on DL4 with magicbane, and the cloak of magic resistance isn't even cursed, nice 11:23 !who 11:23 aosdict: [hdf-us] SL3XM3 [tnnt] rebatela [tnnt] oh6 [tnnt] introsp3ctive [tnnt] theGreatFudd [tnnt] woodstea23 [nh362] tempest [spl] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh362] | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh362] 11:24 PeterQ: glad to be of service 11:24 what was it, the giant ant? 11:24 PeterQ: were you playing 3.6.2-dev? would be nice to have some confirmation from there 11:24 probably tnnt 11:24 No, it's tnnt, and I think it was a hill orc 11:24 becausw that's what I've been playing for the last couple of weeks at least 11:25 the only code around the bones parsing that I touched was to add the tnnt_achieve call, didn't touch any ifs or anything 11:25 which bug? I missed that 11:27 not showing bones resting places in #overview when it should 11:28 Is that related to missing graves? Because I didn't find any, the items were lying on the ground 11:29 no. sometimes graves can't be generated, like for example in corridors. 11:30 Ok, that explains it 11:31 yeah, the code is supposed to handle showing the resting place if you so much as see the coordinate where the other guy died, doesn't need to be a grave 11:31 but it's not, because the coordinate where the other guy died is set as 0,0 11:33 why doesn't the wand of striking auto-identify when you engrave with it? can only be one thing 11:34 Why don't *most* wands auto-id when engraved 11:34 good point 11:35 (They do in xnh tho) 11:35 Same reason rings don't auto-identify when thrown down the drain I guess? 11:35 undead turning does when you zap it at yourself 11:35 but it doesn't give any message when you engrave 11:35 not even "The dead bugs on the floor revive!" 11:35 "it hasn't been coded up" 11:37 Whenever I find a wand that doesn't have an engrave message I get incredibly salty and break it on the chance it's a wand of nothing 11:37 you should zap yourself with it to test for undead turning and probing! 11:37 if it doesn't ask for a direction it can still be secret door detection 11:38 secret door detection isn't exactly *more* useful than nothing 11:38 that leaves opening and locking (and, indeed, nothing, but that can be directional or not) 11:38 I usually keep one for the sanctum 11:38 PavelB: only in vanilla :) 11:38 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:17125 11:38 that's where it's really nice to be able to find secret doors without trouble 11:39 one secret door, specifically 11:39 <@Luxidream> in bhaak’s variant, you have to use it 11:39 <@Luxidream> :p 11:39 <@Luxidream> or a crystal ball 11:42 you could also ask why probing does nothing 11:42 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 bone darts on an altar, on T:5218 11:44 PavelB: the "why don't wands auto id" thing came up yesterday 11:44 I am super confused about xnh's dothrow.c. We see a `case POT_WATER:`, with a break statement above so there can't be fallthrough, no goto labels, and then multiple checks for different potion types *including* one checking if it *isn't* water. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/btFsjJ6v/ 11:45 PavelB: look above, there's a "if POTION_CLASS otyp=POT_WATER" thing 11:45 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 11:45 that's not my code 11:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:45 that's a lame excusse :) 11:45 That's weird, but ok 11:46 next you're saying it was dthaler's fault! 11:46 why should I take responsibility for the devteam's code? the same code appears in 3.6.1 :) 11:47 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:17478 11:47 Basically I'm trying to figur out what potion "An emerald potion shatters! You smell a peculiar odor..." indicates 11:47 if you make a variant, you take some responsibility for the bugs that are already in the code 11:47 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:17478 11:47 although some variant developers have disregarded that. I'm not naming anybody, right lorimer? 11:47 a player doesn't care where the bug in your game comes from ;-) 11:48 well it's not a bug, just code weirdness. variant developers are certainly not on the hook for that 11:48 also, that would be a stronger statement if it came from a non-devteam member :P 11:49 I could say, I'm not responsible for any of the bugs in 3.6.2, even though they took some of my code :-} 11:51 but yeah, that code is somewhat of an oddity. 11:51 using a switch instead of ifs 11:51 "The only thing I know about this bug is that it's not my fault" 11:52 bhaak: Clearly C needs active patterns 11:52 I would be cautious with such a statement. I can't count the instances where I thought this sentence and it turned out to be my fault after all 11:56 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4908 11:57 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) had The Marauder's Map bestowed upon her by the storm, on T:5948 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:46191 12:04 Honestly who goes around cursing all this random fruit juice 12:04 Like some god was looking over the dungeon and thinks "fuck this bottle of fruit juice in particular" 12:06 The dungeon's just not a very sanitary environment, there are a lot of curses floating about looking for something to stick to 12:08 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:7978 12:10 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3717 12:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:46675 12:16 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 12:19 [hdf-us] [tnnt] theGreatFudd (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:46071 12:19 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28 bhaak: the issue probably has to do with a lack of html dumplogs. 12:28 bet if you add that in, a lot of these small issues will just magically go away 12:29 :D 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:47707 12:30 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic missile", on T:19376 12:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:38 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:40 [hdf-us] [tnnt] IceBox (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4165 12:41 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:41 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 12:42 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:20786 12:42 PavelB: if you smell a peculiar odor it can be any potion that doesn't have a specific vapor effect 12:43 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20852 12:43 PavelB: https://i.imgur.com/vdLE8dJ.gif 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:48719 12:44 xnh is supposed to have vapor effects for everything. I could process-of-elimination this to figure out which potion it actually is but I'm still hoping aosdict will tell me so I don't have to 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:48745 12:45 I'm not responsible for spoilers dude 12:45 :( 12:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:48775 12:45 write the spoiler yourself. then you'll be the author of the first ever xnh spoiler 12:48 or you write auto id code :-p 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48919 12:48 [hdf-us] [tnnt] IceBox (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4690 12:48 Or use the poor man's spoiler, the source 12:50 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 12:50 -!- nooodle_ has joined #hardfought 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49058 12:51 Where to report 3.6.2 bugs? 12:53 either github or https://nethack.org/common/contact.html 12:53 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12055 12:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:54 PeterQ: what's the bug 12:55 "You kill Gor-ogothu of Akhaiun!" Is hill orc randomly generating with names a vanilla thing or an xnh thing? 12:55 it is now a vanilla thing 12:55 those are from the orc gang from orctown 12:56 I always liked POWDER's scheme where named monsters were generated at random but were then more fearsome than regular ones 12:56 I wonder how names are generated, I grep'd the source for 'Akhaiun' but found nothing 12:56 ... notwithstanding any number of frustrating deaths to McBastard the green dragon and all his green dragon mates 12:57 rndorcname() in do_name.c 12:57 YASI: use Diablo's naming scheme that creates monsters with names like "Mind Maw the Slasher", "Bane Bang" or "Queeb Butt". Or in the German version, "Wermut Mosermoser". :P 12:57 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2018-10-14 17:25 EDT: please add "intellectual property Kop" to slex 12:57 PavelB: It's concatenated from several predefined strings, so you will probably never again see the same name, but it's also not completely random 12:57 POWDER's names had "Amy" as a common component, I note in passing 12:58 aosdict: killing long worm tails with Cleaver can cause you to hit somewhere where the game expects a tail, but there is none 12:58 I've never heard of this POWDER, is it a NH variant or something else? 12:58 PavelB: It's a roguelike for the GBA (but also on other platforms) written by the great Jeff Lait. It's short and full of a marvellous dry humour. 12:59 Like Linley's Crawl, it's not NetHack, but NetHack was the game Lait had in mind when he set out to do something else. 12:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Mal Law), 5371 points, T:7195, killed by an orc shaman called Aulai of Akhaiun 12:59 as it wasn't possible to port NetHack to the GBA 13:00 There's a Nethack for the DS, i can't imagine porting it to the GBA would be that much tougher. You lose a touchscreen but you don't *really* need one. 13:01 PavelB: I think it is _just about_ possible that Lait, who actually wrote a roguelike on the GBA, knows more about this than your guesswork 13:02 I'm just trying to think of a reason why it wouldn't be 13:02 Maybe the screen resolution is too low 13:03 At a guess, the way it's got less than 512K memory might be an issue 13:04 PavelB: the DS has at least 4MB of RAM 13:04 I thought NetHack needed less than that 13:04 the GBA only 32 KB internal, 256 KB external, 96 KB VRAM 13:05 * PavelB googles "NetHack minimum system requirements" 13:05 NetHack 3.0 needed at least 1MB on the Amiga and that was 1989. the MS-DOS port only worked because they implemented their own memory swapping 13:06 And I dunno how well the old overlay MSDOS NetHacks fitted into anything without the 640K that's enough for anyone 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 901 points, T:2167, killed by a gnome 13:08 introsp3ctive, :D <3 13:08 I recall reading about this awesome hack for getting SNES games to run on a NES (with somewhat broken graphics) by replacing a cartridge's ROM with a RasPi that can determine what data it needs to send to the NES based on the information the NES is requresting to read 13:09 So basically virtual memory? 13:09 Shades of this curious scheme to play games over the internet with a really low ping and a shitload of bandwidth 13:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9WRwCiSr0 13:10 PeterQ: Not even that, I think - the NES does no processing, the cartridge just tells it what to slap into video memory 13:11 Certainly later real SNES carts were basically using the SNES as a proxy for I/O, like BBC second processors 13:11 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a short sword bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:12247 13:12 ... this is largely irrelevant to me because Mario Kart is stuck in my SNES as God intended 13:16 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had long sword named Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:12453 13:16 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:20 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:23 -!- zjmc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:29 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:31 [hdf-us] [tnnt] IceBox (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1923 points, T:7826, killed by a human mummy 13:32 RFC: https://i.imgur.com/AjQoC6f.png?1 13:32 been playing around with background colors. the inverse darkgrey is good to go IMO but I'm not sure about the altars 13:33 bhaak: IIRC background bold black is even more prone to being unsupported 13:34 Pinkbeast: that's not bold black, that's a grey from 256 color mode. inverse bold black as grey doesn't work anywhere AFAIK (that's why we have a workaround to make it white in inverse) 13:35 Don't mind me, then 13:37 we had a user having trouble with invisible bold black again and that's what me got started playing around with 256 colors as a "solution" for nowadays probably most players 13:38 bhaak: maybe make the chaotic (I assume) glyph white 13:38 DCSS changed recently from default assuming it works to default assuming it doesn't, which means watching a tiles player's game is eye-bleedingly horrible because it's all dark blue. I suggested some sort of character selection thing that says "if you can't see the text below, press XYZ", which I guess would work in NetHack too 13:38 and 256color support in vanilla would be amazingly cool 13:42 aosdict: using 256 colors is pretty easy. int colors = tgetnum("Co"); if (colors >= 256) { scratch = tparm(setf, ti_map[c]); ... } in win/tty/termcap.c init_hilite() 13:42 the question is how configurable you want to make it 13:42 <@Demo> why don't variants use more colors? 13:44 bhaak: well, intertwining 256 color support with the core engine that will definitely need to continue supporting 16color... 13:46 is the last one darkgray? 13:47 black should inverse to darkgray 13:47