00:01 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:14167 00:08 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:11 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:16326 00:17 -!- mischief has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17 -!- mischief has joined #hardfought 00:17 -!- mischief is now known as Guest33062 00:19 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:17860 00:20 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 00:31 YANI: if you attack a monster on an E square, all monsters within LOS should stop respecting E 00:32 would work better as a deterrant imo than -align which no one really pays attention to 00:34 <@Luxidream> the E already disappears 00:35 yeah but everything's still fleeing, you just have to redo it 00:35 Magicbane still trivializes too many fights 00:35 @Demo [backscroll] The achievements are a chaotic jumble because that's the order they were implemented in, and it sure as heck isn't going to change now ;) 00:36 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 2486 points, T:2834, killed by a boiling potion 00:36 ShivanHunter: that's an interesting idea, I wonder what ais523 would think of it 00:36 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 24 points, T:24, killed by a goblin 00:36 probably "it's not feasible until 3.7.0 because of the necessary changes to the monst struct" 00:38 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7758 00:38 Hmmm. The bot doing that IDs the luckstone for me :/ 00:38 I mean this time I was sure anyway, and it's not usually an issue 00:40 <@Luxidream> so once you've hit shift+s 00:40 <@Luxidream> and it says saving... 00:40 <@Luxidream> is game time still running? 00:40 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:54468 00:41 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 192802 points, T:18035, quit 00:41 <@Luxidream> !lastgame tnnt 00:41 @Luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1539481615.tnnt.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AlbertB/tnnt/dumplog/1539359688.tnnt.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/tnnt/dumplog/1537322062.tnnt.txt 00:44 <@Luxidream> dammit the tnnt page never refreshes 00:48 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:8293 00:49 <@Luxidream> !tell K2 the tnnt page doesn't update every minute. it's been eight minutes and one of my deaths still isn't in 00:49 Will do, @Luxidream! 00:50 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 824 points, T:1906, killed by a rothe 00:53 <@Luxidream> hm, apparently not 00:53 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:6463 00:54 <@Luxidream> !tell aosdict can we also put player ascensions on player pages in tnnt 00:54 Will do, @Luxidream! 00:55 <@Luxidream> !tell aosdict right now its only recent games 00:55 Will do, @Luxidream! 01:04 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 1375 points, T:1596, killed by a wand 01:05 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 76 points, T:141, killed by a killer bee 01:07 -!- hf_guest_25737 has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- hf_guest_25737 has quit [Client Quit] 01:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:10 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 337 points, T:771, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:15 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:21 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12492 01:35 [hdf-us] [dyn] ward (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 399 points, T:1495, killed by a gas spore's explosion 01:36 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:7943 01:39 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 01:40 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 01:52 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided vorpal jabberwocks dungeon wide on T:57744 01:54 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanters dungeon wide on T:57744 02:07 random Q: is the tnnt game on the server a 32 or 64-bit binary? 02:18 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:11196 02:18 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:11197 02:23 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "Magic Marker", on T:11456 02:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:11458 02:34 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed spellbook of magic maping", on T:11682 02:35 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:11683 02:38 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:41 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of finger of death", on T:11877 02:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:55 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:12452 03:02 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 2612 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:12694 03:12 -!- uniusz has joined #hardfought 03:12 hello o/ 03:16 hi 03:16 Hello stenno, Welcome to #hardfought 03:17 Beholder pls 03:17 -!- uniusz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:31 -!- uniusz has joined #hardfought 03:38 !who 03:38 uniusz: [hdf-us] Karnac [tnnt] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] attie [nh362] 03:40 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:14354 03:47 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:14438 03:51 my and attie deaths looks differently on channel 03:51 why is that ? 03:51 I didn't die :D 03:52 (yet) 03:52 oh 03:52 you kill the dead 03:52 not die yourself 03:52 i see ^^ 03:52 there is a monster called Death 03:52 right 03:53 okay, my fault then, sorry :) 03:53 no worries lol 03:53 if there is no monster called death, what that message means 03:53 +Beholder | [hdf-au] [nh362] attie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:44113 03:53 ? 03:54 there _IS_ a monster called Death 03:54 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Riders#Death 03:54 there is, a rider 03:54 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Riders#Death 03:54 yes, as i said twice already lol 03:55 oh sorry 03:55 :) 03:55 :D 03:55 so, he call the dead 03:55 gz for him then 03:55 i just died by mimic 03:55 yes :/ 03:55 so its not that skill lvl ^^ 03:55 you get better when you play more 03:55 i go for cigg and coming back to start new game 03:55 maybe will be better 03:56 :) 03:56 good luck! 03:56 thank you 04:05 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:14990 04:09 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:15157 04:18 damn xd 04:18 always some stupid death 04:24 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:15574 04:24 🎉 🎉 🎉 04:24 lol 04:24 it's just a valk 04:25 win is win 04:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:34 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:15997 04:40 gratz attie 04:40 :) 04:49 [hdf-us] [tnnt] khamul (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1860 points, T:2631, quit 04:50 thanks uniusz 04:52 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 488197 points, T:16426, killed by Vlad the Impaler 04:54 if i ill kill monsters on particular lvl, lvl will be empty or new monster will spawn ? 04:54 new monsters appear 04:54 ok thankss 04:55 for converting altars goblins counts as own race of orc ? 04:55 yes 04:55 great 04:55 :) 04:57 so i have own altar on dlvl1 04:57 nice ! 04:57 :> 05:00 i summoned Juiblex 05:00 i have lvl1 05:00 what i should do with him ? 05:08 not attack him lol 05:11 [hdf-us] [tnnt] khamul (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 158 points, T:482, killed by a large kobold, while sleeping 05:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] shottyscotty (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 22348 points, T:11229, killed by a fire elemental 05:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] shottyscotty (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:139, killed by a kobold 05:21 it was accident 05:21 when conf 05:21 ;c 05:23 hmm, my pet take amulet and didnt drop it 05:23 what is that ? 05:26 intelligent pet? might be life saving or reflection 05:26 nope 05:27 just dog 05:27 Sirius ^^ 05:27 but he didnt drop it 05:27 then you didn't look well enough or you didn't wait long enough 05:27 they often drop stuff just out of viewing range in corridors >.> 05:29 maybe it was cursed 05:29 .... 05:29 there is nothing 05:29 really 05:29 no, pets don't pick up cursed items 05:30 maybe it dropped it and then another monster picked it up 05:30 no 05:30 or maybe its just crashed when pick it up 05:30 ? 05:30 some glass amulet or something 05:31 if hit with a wand of striking maybe 05:31 i didnt notice any wand of striking 05:31 acehack had a bug where pets sometimes held onto items forever, but I haven't ever seen anything like it in other variants 05:32 sometimes stuff happens while you are not there to see it. *shrug* 05:35 hmm 05:35 i dont know where is that amulet 05:35 anyway 05:35 its strange situation 05:35 so many options 05:35 pet pick it up and dont drop 05:36 fell down a trap/eaten by a rust monster/engulfed by a cube/picked up by a nymph 05:36 or crash when dropped 05:36 okay 05:36 that doesn't happen unless the pet was levitating 05:36 which can't happen with a dog 05:38 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:22223 05:38 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22225 05:40 -!- Guest33062 is now known as mischief 05:41 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:22638 05:43 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:7853 05:43 okay 05:43 idk if my game is in good condition.. 05:43 can you look attie ? 05:44 or no, maybe it is 05:44 lvl4, dlvl3, but i have AC1 with elven mithril coat 05:44 so its pretty fine i think 05:44 what do you mean by good condition? 05:46 just good 05:46 :) 05:46 that im playing well until now 05:47 are you alive? 05:47 that's about all I can tell 05:47 yes 05:47 ^^ 05:47 as long as you're not dead I guess you're good? 05:48 AC1 on dlvl3 is really good 05:48 have you done the mines? 05:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] shottyscotty (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a flail on an altar, on T:3281 05:48 why u claim that ? 05:50 why if you are almost dead 05:50 this is not good condition 05:50 im going to mines 05:50 im on dlvl3 and maybe ill found mines here 05:50 almost dead is much better condition than dead 05:51 for sure 05:51 ;p 05:51 anyway in early game you can die extremely quickly no matter how your game has been going until now 05:51 damn, my dagger rusts ;c 05:51 yeah 05:51 in mid game you can do quick also 05:51 so it's more about knowing how to react to situations than about what you have 05:52 yeah for sure 05:52 react is point in this game i think 05:52 although of course a nice armor helps with many situations 05:53 i have nic armor for that lvl 05:53 i dont found mines at dlvl3 05:54 im going futher then... 05:55 ok and here they are 06:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:13 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:12088 06:19 ^^ 06:21 oh 06:21 i have that amulet in inventory 06:21 ^^ 06:21 i must pick it up and forgot sorry ;p 06:41 damn im keep playing but my skills doesnt go enhance... 06:42 -!- nooodle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42 oh, one is 06:42 dagger, okay its fine :) 06:48 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:16398 06:51 finally minetown, now will be easier 06:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:02 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 07:06 damn 07:06 ;/ 07:06 fucking stormbringer 07:06 ;/ 07:07 Its cursed gift, attack peaceful monsters without knowing, and i attack watchman in city... damn gift 07:10 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24691 07:11 :( 07:23 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "holy historic partly eaten rustproof +1337 magic marker", on T:24944 07:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] khamul (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:2921 07:26 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "holy unlit poisoned greased diluted fixed Master Key of Thievery", on T:25059 07:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:28 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "holy greased historic bag of holding", on T:25062 07:29 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:25063 07:31 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:42 [hdf-us] [tnnt] satori (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 465 points, T:1436, killed by a boulder 07:47 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 07:47 <@IceBox> Stormbringer can be a real problem I usually try to x-swap out out whenever I'm worried 07:54 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:26633 07:54 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 07:54 [hdf-us] [tnnt] khamul (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 7728 points, T:4255, killed by a hill orc 08:16 . 08:16 aosdict: Message from @Luxidream at 2018-10-14 00:54 EDT: can we also put player ascensions on player pages in tnnt 08:16 aosdict: Message from @Luxidream at 2018-10-14 00:55 EDT: right now its only recent games 08:17 I don't think I'm the one to ask about that 08:20 anyone know if he has completed the update that was going to affect saved games? (said it would be this morning ) ? 08:21 I think we're still a couple hours out from Time Zero. 08:22 Its was my stupidity i think 08:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:22 i should take it off when i was in minetown 08:22 and take it on inside mines... 08:23 it was my fault. 08:23 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) murdered Idefix, his faithful large dog, on T:19678 08:23 IceBox: What x-swap ? 08:24 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 08:27 uniusz: you swap your weapon and your alternate weapon by pressing x 08:31 -!- Cassieopeia has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:32 -!- Cassieopeia has joined #hardfought 08:39 with what terminal could you show the bold/bright-black-on-black problem on linux? 08:40 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "holy greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:20128 08:41 pterm, if it inherits PuTTY's defaults which I think it does 08:48 raisse oh i see, thanks 08:49 How to set up violet color for artifacts in options ? 08:49 Pinkbeast: thanks. at least on debian, the defaults are different but easily configurable 08:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:56 PuTTY by default does "indicate bolded text by changing [x] the font" so bold black does nothing at all 08:57 ... er, bold black on black does nothing at all 08:57 it's been a while since I used putty but I also would have changed the defaults immediately anyway. 08:58 just to get proper text selection and pasting anyway 08:59 @Luxidream oh dear, Gus Van is now claiming that Amy doesn't know slex as well as him 08:59 Text selection works conventionally in PuTTY; the RMB paste catches me out, I admit 09:02 <[Demo]> aosdict are you sure this guy isnt just a troll? 09:03 pretty sure. I mean, he goes through the wiki updating page references to 3.6.1, which is a boring job 09:07 hi 09:07 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 09:07 K2: Message from @Luxidream at 2018-10-14 00:49 EDT: the tnnt page doesn't update every minute. it's been eight minutes and one of my deaths still isn't in 09:08 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:8252 09:08 <[Demo]> bad tyr 09:12 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 09:13 @Luxidream you here? 09:14 should be good now 09:14 hm, first in the game i noticed that eating food gives me some hp... nice 09:14 uniusz: that doesn't happen 09:14 food doesn't give HP 09:14 uniusz: eating food takes tme 09:14 time 09:14 in time, you heal 09:15 Royal jellies 09:18 <[Demo]> how the hell have i never find vault bones before? 09:19 that's cool! i never have either 09:19 they fight the guard? 09:22 oh right 09:22 okay i see 09:22 :) 09:22 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:23 i cant sell potion in general store ? 09:23 strange 09:23 Pinkbeast: YANI: add "royal jelly" as a magenta j monster, which drops royal jelly items 09:23 which scroll turn to dust 09:23 when i pick it up 09:23 scare monster 09:23 aosdict: Wrong roguelike. :-) 09:23 and cost 100 09:23 you're going to owe the shopkeeper for it now 09:23 shopkepper gives me 50 09:23 right ? 09:24 oh it was yours? 09:24 yes 09:24 it's scare monster. It's kind of complicated how they work. The wiki explains it well 09:24 <[Demo]> yeah they got teleported in and had no way out 09:24 <[Demo]> and fought the guard 09:25 right. yeah, like you said - suprising it doesn't happen more 09:25 Pinkbeast: nethack is the only roguelike I know in any depth 09:25 which scroll cost 25 09:25 when i want to sell ? 09:26 <[Demo]> im not sure how they lost the fight 09:26 uniusz: go to the wiki's price id page, it shows the selling price for everything 09:26 oh ok i see 09:26 some of scrolls 09:26 aosdict: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/The_royal_jelly 09:26 of base price 50 09:26 ok 09:26 sorry, thanks 09:26 :) 09:26 that price id page is extremely useful. I stil use it and often have it open while playing 09:27 uniusz: only the scroll of light sells for 25 09:27 Pinkbeast: well I was thinking of it as a (un)common monster, not a unique 09:27 this little tool works well too http://nethack.gridbug.de/prices.html 09:27 PeterQ: okay thanks 09:28 but you should read that entire price id wiki page (not just the charts) 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:3856 09:29 still waiting for someone to complain about the lack of a pre-3.6 spellbook price id table so I can fire back at them "Oh yeah? How about YOU write that one?" 09:29 aosdict: I did write that one 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 9925 points, T:4010, killed by a soldier ant, while dragging an iron ball 09:30 Pinkbeast: on the wiki, I wrote the 3.6 spellbook price id table. I have no knowledge of external spoilers that might contain the 3.4.3 info. 09:31 Uncommon vs unique> also DCSS's Royal Jelly doesn't drop royal jellies, it drops murder :-/ 09:31 does that thing i linked work for 3.4.3 spellboks? 09:31 !who 09:31 K2: [hdf-us] satori [tnnt] Demo [tnnt] SL3XM3 [tnnt] | [hdf-eu] uniusz [tnnt] Graznop [nh362] spontiff [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 09:32 ALL - updating TNNT now. this will savebreak 09:32 what can i do with magic maker(uncursed/blessed) if i playing ranger class ? 09:33 savebreak ? so it will be unable to play or what K2 ? 09:33 any current saves will be incompatible 09:33 use the magic marker! quick! 09:34 rebatela: where ? ;o 09:34 TNNT updated (all servers) 09:34 K2: so what that mean ? 09:34 im playing on tnnt now 09:34 i should quit ? 09:34 or what ? 09:34 K2 09:35 not sure how far you'd be able to go with current game 09:35 once you save it, that's it 09:35 hmm 09:35 next time you go in, it'll be a new game 09:35 so when to save 09:35 when to back 09:35 tell me what to do K2 09:36 im lost 09:36 i put notice out over 12 hrs ago 09:36 im playing now, when i should stop 09:36 <[Demo]> ok fuck this game 09:36 when i should back 09:36 you're playing a test version, uniusz 09:36 ^ that 09:36 so im quiting 09:36 becaouse my save will be ease 09:36 right ? 09:37 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 20641 points, T:11119, killed by a chameleon imitating an arch-lich 09:37 <[Demo]> oh it was only a chameleon? 09:37 yup 09:37 <[Demo]> there was a poly trap on that level and i was so sure... 09:38 ok its not bad 09:38 https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/players/Demo.html 09:39 there 09:39 im only xpLVL1 and DLVL3 :) 09:39 you finally finished a game heh 09:39 so #quit 09:39 and im going to play regular 361 09:39 aosdict: What Van Gus wrote on about wand of cancellation in slex is identical to my own experiences 09:39 ok. thanks for testing 09:39 :) 09:39 <[Demo]> oh nice theres a lotg achievement 09:40 i get nice amount of achievements but i dont know why 09:40 [hdf-us] [tnnt] satori (Val Hum Fem Neu), 592 points, T:2119, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food 09:40 uniusz: the 3.62 is ok to play too (the v option) 09:40 Is somewhere an explanation of what for given achievement is ? 09:40 mouse over them 09:40 mouseover the achievements 09:41 rebatela: yeah, and there is no any save server, restarting something ? 09:41 i can play there without loosing save ? 09:41 correct, but it does not contain tnnt features 09:41 I would say that it's unlikely there will be another savebreak for tnnt after this one. 09:41 aosdict: Haha I've said that before :-) 09:42 so we good to go now ? 09:42 he doesnt understand 09:42 Pinkbeast: I guess if Tangles finds some bug with swapchests that requires a savebreak, maybe. More specifically, there should be no more savebreaks for *achievements* 09:43 uniusz: tnnt is in test pohase right now. there will be updates before the tournament that will break saves and we're not going through the trouble to setup different versions of the tnnt code to preserve older versions 09:43 *phase 09:44 you understand its a public beta 09:45 <[Demo]> yani: trapper role that can set traps and stuff idk 09:45 aosdict: It's also possible you're a lot better at this variant stuff than I am :-) 09:45 K2 okay i have 2 questions about that tournament: 1.Where can i read news about tournament and save breaks. 2.Where can i read what features are added to tnnt version of 362 nethack ? 09:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:45 savebreaks aren't really worth announcing 09:46 well, like, on the TNNT site 09:47 reddit.com/r/nethack 09:47 is where i've been posting news about TNNT 09:48 [hdf-us] [tnnt] khamul (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 161 points, T:386, killed by a magic missile 09:48 tournament is available only on hfd ? 09:48 no on nao ? 09:49 correct 09:50 I cant read on reddit.com/r/nethack about what content is added to tnt 09:50 can somebody explain me this ? 09:50 The other thing is that the Tournament doesn't start until November 09:50 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:24617 09:51 I wouldn't really complain about save breaks for testing out the game, which is what you're doing playing it now 09:52 uniusz: the swap chest is currently the only "new content" 09:52 <[Demo]> !tell Chris_ANG when i carve stuff into the rod of elvish lords and try to read it it tells me its a silly thing to read in the latest version of dnh 09:52 Will do, [Demo]! 09:52 it's the first year, we'll add more stuff over time 09:52 aosdict: where can i read about that chest 09:52 nowhere. nobody has documented it 09:52 aosdict: where can i read about that content you added in future 09:52 ? 09:53 game is supposed to be about discovering things ;) 09:53 nowhere. because the ideas aren't fully realized and public yet 09:53 ok 09:53 and where K2 put that info about save server 12h ago 09:53 ? 09:53 i cannot find it 10:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:01 uniusz its right there in dgl before you start a tnnt game 10:01 i even posted the time ;) 10:02 in what dgl ? 10:02 what is dgl 10:02 uniusz: The chest is designed to be self-documenting, in that it gives you some clues about what it does. This is how many things in nethack work. "Spoiler" resources such as the nethackwiki have grown over time from the player community. No doubt someone will do the same for the new tnnt content eventually. 10:03 okay i see, thanks 10:03 uniusz: dgl is short for dGameLaunch. It is the system that takes care of you logging in, and provides you with menus from which you can choose which game to play. 10:04 what is d stand for 10:04 It stands for Drew's Game Launcer. 10:04 dur-brain 10:04 because the guy who wrote is is an excellent programmer, but not so good at naming things :P 10:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 402 points, T:1424, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:08 what mean that im feel stealthy ? 10:08 Tangles: wrote what ? 10:09 <@Tone> haha I never knew what the d stood for 😄 10:09 wrote dgamelaunch. 10:09 you asked, remember? 10:10 fight the good fight Tangles ;) 10:10 lol 10:10 uniusz: it means you acquired the stealth intrinsic. That's really useful. It means monsters are less likely to hear you/wake up 10:11 nice 10:12 Tangles: Its not that big program i think, its just connect my to server where game is hosted 10:12 and play and save my results i think 10:13 or what else that launch doing 10:14 It actually does quite a lot behind the scenes. 10:15 in example ? 10:15 can you explain abit ? 10:15 https://github.com/paxed/dgamelaunch 10:15 It lets you watch other people's games (as you know)... there's actually a lot involved in getting that to work. 10:15 ^^ dgl code 10:15 it records and saves ttyrecs. 10:18 oh thanks ^^ 10:21 uniusz: I just found your bones and it messed up my arti-wishing lol 10:21 j/k 10:21 (the one with strombringer) 10:21 rebatela: which bones ? 10:21 oh okay ^^ so enjoy of stormbringer :> 10:22 why these messed up something ? 10:22 rebatela: strombringer is like stormbringer but summons Strom Thurmond when #invoked 10:23 haha didn't see the typo 10:24 what's the arti blast for no MR? d40? 10:24 4d10 intelligent, 4d4 unintelligent 10:25 tx 10:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:3089 10:26 what is that arti-something 10:26 artiblast 10:26 ? 10:27 you get blasted for wishing for an artifact not made for your character 10:28 and whenever you use it 10:28 But I wanted to make that wish now since I found your stormbringer, the chances of getting the wish go down with each artifact created 10:29 damn, i had pretty nice game saved on 362 variant... 10:29 i didnt know 10:29 so if i had seen another one or gotten my quest artifact it would not have been guaranteed 10:29 propably i just go test tnnt and forgot about it 10:29 i wish i could have wished for a general store though... 10:29 wish for milk and eggs 10:29 and some doritos 10:30 wishing for a shop would be a very interesting thing. worth tacking onto the wishing for non-objects YANIs 10:30 find all of those at the general store ;) 10:30 where is priest and altar 10:30 in grotto town 10:31 at the top near the middle. 10:31 okay 10:32 you need to work your way kind of down to the centre, then go up through a corridor. 10:32 okay thank you 10:32 <@Luxidream> has Gus van even played vanilla nethack? This is a little ridiculous 10:32 At some point, just refer uniusz to the Minetown wiki page 10:32 aosdict: okay but there is no write that is a temple 10:32 ... 10:32 just empty room at the map 10:32 on the wiki 10:32 <@Luxidream> what 10:32 <@Luxidream> of course there is 10:33 @Luxidream seriously, it's veering into unhinged rant territory 10:34 I have bow at skilled, im killing monsters with bow and arrows very easily, but with runed dagger its going hard. What should i do ? Because im thinking about skilling my dagger but this can cause my dead. 10:34 let's wait for Amy to weigh in... 10:34 uniusz: tap into your sense of adventure. discover things on your own 10:34 uniusz: the '_' in the middle of the room is an altar. It's right there on the map. 10:35 !tell LarienTelrunya interested in your thoughts on Gus Van's recent response to Luxidream 10:35 Will do, aosdict! 10:35 aosdict link? 10:35 * K2 wants to read 10:35 K2: right... 10:36 :) 10:36 <@Luxidream> oh yeah K2, can we have a list of ascended games on the tnnt page, as well as ascended games for an individual on their page as well 10:36 <@Luxidream> right now we can only see recent games, I’m not sure why 10:36 @Luxidream that's on the to-do 10:36 K2, I ascended the grunthack game 10:36 K2: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Gus_Van 10:36 much like what we had for tribute 10:37 jilles I saw, congrats ;) 10:37 experiences: lots of polymorph wands (I didn't polypile though) 10:37 I didn't notice many monsters around the < during the ascension run 10:37 damn 10:37 ok 10:37 yeah that's broken 10:37 will look at it again after tnnt is over 10:38 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:56391 10:38 <@Luxidream> ok cool 10:39 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:56400 10:40 jilles but yeah great job, nice to see more players trying grunthack and ascending 10:40 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:56421 10:41 cancellation seemed to affect armour mainly 10:42 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 192 points, T:458, killed by a magic missile 10:43 yes 10:44 sometimes it'll affect more 10:44 good to have ?oEW handy 10:44 armor dropping to +0 isnt such a big deal if most your stuff is dragonhide 10:44 having your weapon(s) go down to +0 is a bigger deal 10:45 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:56540 10:45 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:56542 10:45 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:46 grunthack is harder than 362 ? 10:47 yes 10:47 <@Luxidream> it’s different 10:47 jilles: congrats on the GH ascension ! 10:48 K2: The prospect of sticking a guaranteed non-magical dragonhide cloak somewhere in xnethack remains tempting 10:48 ;) 10:48 materials are nonwishable. but that doesn't mean we can't have dragonhide gear 10:48 <@Luxidream> Give it to the high priest of moloch 10:48 a nice twist on that would be not generic dragonhide, but specific dragons hide 10:49 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:50 aosdict, I suppose it'd have to be somewhere fairly early so it's actually useful 10:50 although, how many AC points is it? 10:51 jilles: I was thinking the opposite actually. if you give someone an item that good early in the game, it just becomes quasi-required 10:51 now im expert at bow, what that means, that im throwing more arrows at one time ? 10:51 jilles: depends on the base item. let's say leather cloak, making it dragonhide is +7 or +8 AC, can't remember which 10:51 <@Theyflower> Read the multishot article on the wiki 10:52 <@Luxidream> It’s like how CDSM is post castle in un 10:52 so that's *really freaking good* for early game 10:53 yes, it's too good for early game 10:53 but it doesn't have a useful property such as MC3, enhanced spellcasting, MR or displacement 10:54 Theyflower 10:54 <@Luxidream> if I were speedrunning I’d pick it up 10:54 so its no difference in multishot between skilled and expert 10:54 and wizard never can get multishot then ? 10:54 <@Luxidream> need every point of AC there you can get 10:55 <@Luxidream> I think it would be an amazing item, I’d wear it over protection 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:42706 10:57 K2, and one more thing about grunthack, my bag of holding burnt up when I walked on lava with fireproof water walking boots and fire resistance 10:57 yup 10:57 thats by design 10:57 however, you can fooproof it 10:58 unlike vanilla, in grunthack you can fooproof virtually any item 10:58 ?oEW while confused 10:58 also, gehennom seemed rather maze-like still 10:59 and you need to set non-default options to distinguish walls and floor 10:59 daaamnit 10:59 well its an open plain that is maze like yeah 10:59 but you dont have corridors and walls 10:59 jilles: that burned me too in grunthack (pun intended) 11:00 and is there any use for a felt marker? 11:00 this game i want play that carefully as never 11:00 K2: The lack of walls just makes grunthack gehennom incredibly annoying, since you can't distinguish between known rock wall and unexplored 11:00 jilles no there isnt 11:01 aosdict that was probably grunt's intent 11:01 jilles: you can engrave semipermanent elbereth with it? :) 11:01 K2: are you the progenitor of the "grunt was developed when sgrunt was going through a bad breakup" theory? 11:02 yes 11:02 all the signs are there 11:03 <@Luxidream> How come there are so many diagonal squeezes in grunt gehennom 11:04 <@Luxidream> Is there even a path to the downstairs sometimes? 11:05 @Luxidream there ought to be as many diagonal squeezes as in the mines, since I don't think the cavern generation changed 11:05 When wizards gets multishot with daggers ? At skilled level or at expert ? 11:06 <@Luxidream> It doesn’t seem to be anything like the mines from my experience 11:06 uniusz I dont think wizards get multishot daggers anymore 11:06 <@Luxidream> Dyna has the same layouts as the mines, but grunt not so much 11:06 K2: anymore ? from when ? 11:06 <@Luxidream> You get +1 at expert 11:06 <@Luxidream> That’s it 11:06 3.6.x 11:06 ah 11:06 K2: so i should use dagger or not ? 11:06 as wizard ? 11:07 i would 11:07 becouse before i used that 11:07 because magicbane 11:07 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:07 show me that change 11:07 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:07 * K2 does like the change FIQ did in FIQhack though, making magicbane a quarterstaff 11:07 uniusz no 11:08 ask nicely 11:08 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:08 K2 is not an encyclopedia of 3.6 changes 11:08 -!- hf_guest_25737 has joined #hardfought 11:08 i am an encyclopedia of 80's movie quotes 11:08 K2: if you are able, please show me that notice about daggers multishot when playing wizard, please. 11:09 :) 11:09 better 11:09 but still no 11:09 ;) 11:09 i dont have time to dig up code updates 11:09 search the nethack github repo 11:09 hmm, NetHack was around at some points in the 80s; a pity there probably weren't any movies about it made at the time 11:09 :/ 11:10 reason #478 to invent time travel... 11:10 <@Luxidream> NetHack anime when? 11:10 K2: i dont see this in release notes 11:10 huh, that's actually one of the better anime topic suggestions I've heard 11:10 at main site 11:10 ... 11:10 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2253 11:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:11 LOL 11:11 somehow I don't think it would sell many tickets 11:11 it would have to have a groundhog day theme 11:11 where can i find full list of changes in releases 3.6.0 and 3.6.1 ? 11:12 and then finally after 10000 years of repeating the same day over and over, ascension 11:12 uniusz: some of the changes may have been accidental, so the only 100% reliable way is to read the code changes (from a diff or from the code repository) 11:12 uniusz: look in doc/fixes36.0 and doc/fixes36.1 in the nethack source 11:12 fixes36.0 and fixes36.1 do list most of the changes, though 11:12 ais523: any idea why they don't put a dot between the 3 and 6? 11:12 aosdict: because that would put two dots in the filename 11:13 and DOS would throw a fit 11:13 version 36 11:13 its like area 51! 11:13 8.3 filenames used to be the only ones that worked reliably; nowadays most computers can handle more complex filenames than that 11:13 ok... i have to get up off my ass and actually do work. bbl 11:14 so 11:14 but it's a fairly simple thing you can do to aid backwards compatibility, so why not? 11:14 in overall wizard can get that multishoot 11:14 or not 11:14 and why not 11:14 if i cant notice it in the web 11:18 K2: i dont see this in codebase also 11:18 in doc/fixes 11:19 <@Tone> uniusz: The multishot article on the wiki has a code reference if you want to see it in the code 11:19 why are you so keen on finding documentation of the multishot change? 11:20 aosdict: LOL @ what Gus Van said there... I've posted on his talk page now 11:20 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2018-10-14 10:35 EDT: interested in your thoughts on Gus Van's recent response to Luxidream 11:20 rld: show me 11:20 <@Tone> just search multishot on the wiki 11:20 oh i see 11:20 ok thanks 11:20 :) 11:20 <@Tone> it's in dothrow.c 11:20 uniusz: also rld is a bot that relays messages, pinging the messenger won't normally do much good 11:20 you'd want to ping the person who sent it, i.e. "@Tone:" 11:21 LarienTelrunya: I'm not sure what was meant by "amy should remove the old name slash'em extended as leading astray and obsolete" 11:21 also it's rude to just demand that people show you what you're looking for without making any effort to find it yourself 11:21 i just got a multishot dagger with wiz Expert dagger 11:21 aosdict: he probably means "the game is so fundamentally different from slash'em now that it should have a different name to avoid confusion", but everyone already calls it SLEX... 11:22 I've only started calling it slex recently, and only because everyone else is 11:22 the name's pretty redundant if you expand it, I guess, so you have to abbreviate it somehow 11:22 "Super Lotsa Added Stuff Hack – Extended Magic – Extended" 11:23 ais523: yes but then when someone says "wait, but isn't...?" you can say "Yes. And that is just the tip of the very enormous iceberg." 11:23 yeah but nowadays slex also stands for "Sadistic Levels of Endless X-Citement" :D 11:23 somehow it's strange that the 'EM part of the SLASH'EM name stuck 11:23 that patch has become so standardised by now that it's even in vanilla 11:23 we don't call it nethack'em 11:24 <@Luxidream> should we? 11:24 anyway that Gus Van guy is really weird... why doesn't he put in the effort to source dive himself, it's really not that hard to do, the code he is looking for would be in zap.c cancel_monst() 11:24 I don't think there's much point 11:24 so 11:24 LarienTelrunya: you need some knowledge of programming to be able to source dive 11:24 Wizard get Multishoot at Expert lvl 11:24 and although you don't /need/ to know where to start, it helps a lot 11:24 not at Skilled 11:24 (cmd.c is a good place to start, normally) 11:24 (but sometimes you can just guess the filename) 11:24 First you SLASH EM, then you netHACK EM 11:25 <@Luxidream> Well like you said LarienTelrunya, he actually thinks he knows more than the dev 11:25 aosdict: "hack and slash" is where the names come from 11:25 <@Luxidream> :p 11:25 ais523: fully aware :-) 11:25 LarienTelrunya: hello o/ 11:25 @Luxidream: oh god... and he doesn't even sourcedive! how the hell is he supposed to know everything 11:25 @Luxidream: well, the person who knows most about any particular codebase is someone who's worked on it; not necessarily the most /recent/ author 11:25 he says something about "facts"... well the facts are in the source code, he should take a look :P 11:25 uniusz: hi :) 11:25 err, usually someone who's worked on it 11:26 "I know more from playing slex than the dev is capable of remembering in her own head! Raaar!" 11:26 if only because if you put in that much work understanding the code you normally have the urge to change it 11:26 <@Luxidream> I don’t know but if he’s going to be this stubborn about his edits, we might have some problems in the future 11:26 it wouldn't surprise me if FIQ had a better idea of how the monster AI in SLEX works than LarienTelrunya, for example (because FIQ understands the vanilla monster AI code much better than most people do, and SLEX probably doesn't have all that many changes) 11:27 LarienTelrunya: clearly you need to write some alternative monster AIs that some monsters each game use at random 11:27 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:27 I mean, I fully admit that I sometimes can't remember all the little details about slex, but come on, a player who only plays locally, isn't on the IRC, and is basing his entire knowledge on in-game observations without source diving... 11:27 I'm surprised that you can deduce /anything/ about SLEX from in-game gameplay :-D 11:27 ais523: has this sort of issue ever cropped up on the wiki before, and if so how was it handled 11:28 aosdict: I'm not aware of the details of the current issue 11:28 but my guess is "not to my knowledge", it's rare to get disputes and issues other than simple spamming or trolling 11:28 ais523: slex makes a few minor AI changes, but they aren't very complicated, just "if player has X item or Y intrinsic, change the chance that the monster approaches or walks away from the player" 11:28 spambots and simple trolls are easy to deal with, well-meaning misguided people somewhat less so 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2103 points, T:3372, quit 11:29 complex trolls are also difficult to deal with, especially because a very good troll will be almost indistinguishable from a well-meaning misguided person 11:29 ais523: started off with an addition of a slex section to /oCancel page, we tried to edit it for language and then amy pointed out it's not accurate info anyway, luxidream asked on talk page to rectify it, now he's ranting that amy isn't remembering correctly 11:29 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:30 normally you'd deal with this via a verifiability policy 11:30 ais523: I don't think this is a complex troll because he updates references and pages to 3.6.1, a thankless job 11:30 -!- hf_guest_25737 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 11:30 <@Luxidream> Actually, I tried to remove it entirely at first, because it was consistent with SLASH'EM behavior 11:30 oh right 11:30 i.e. "if two people disagree on how a mechanic works, the person who should "win" is the person who can find proof" 11:30 <@Luxidream> this led to him getting angry and revoking the change with 'no consent' 11:30 -!- hf_guest_25737 has joined #hardfought 11:30 LarienTelrunya: i get pretty nice stat at site 11:31 you saw Larien ? 11:31 ;p 11:31 if something is the same in both Slash'EM and Slash'EM Extended, you'd presumably just write "Slash'EM and Slash'EM Extended" as the section title 11:31 normally people take less badly to having their contributions merged than to having their contributions deleted 11:31 uniusz: oh did the page update now? I'll have a look 11:32 nice! thanks uniusz, we've now caught up to the tnnt team! 11:32 it helps to rewrite the whole thing in the process so they can't figure out whether you based it off the existing version or the new version (typically speaking there are a lot of grammar/phrasing issues to fix anyway…), although you have to be quite experienced with idiomatic English to get away with that 11:32 ais523: the thing to do there is usually just name it SLASH'EM, and either just have it be implicit or explicit that it's the same in slex 11:32 yes 11:33 I guess this problem only comes up because it's plausible that a vanilla Slash'EM mechanic isn't on the wiki already 11:33 <@Luxidream> so then LarienTelrunya told us that there is in fact a slex difference in cancellation, which I made him aware of on the talk page 11:33 if it were a vanilla NetHack mechanic that were being documented, we'd be very surprised if we'd missed it (unless it's new in 3.6.1 or something like that) 11:33 so we wouldn't expect people posting it as SLEX-specific 11:34 that slex difference wasn't the same as the one originally written about, right? 11:34 …hmm, is this just a really unusual case of variant paranoia? 11:34 <@Luxidream> right, it's completely different 11:34 somehow I don't think of variant paranoia as applying to SLEX because the variant actually /is/ out to get you :-D 11:35 (or in a less joking and more serious way: it's not unreasaonable to see something in SLEX for the first time and assume it's SLEX-specific, because so much of the game actually is SLEX-specific) 11:35 variant paranoia seems to be something of a universal constant; people who started with NH4 and subsequently played vanilla often assume that a mechanic is vanilla-specific if they see it first, even though it's quite frequently in both games 11:35 *if they see it there first 11:36 <@Luxidream> The specific mechanic he was talking about was that wands of cancellation don't auto ID when zapped at scrolls and potions 11:36 are there canonical names for the 256 xterm colors? 11:36 hmm, do they in vanilla? I'm guessing no 11:36 which as LT has now clarified, doesn't happen *anywhere* 11:36 not in vanilla, not in slash'em, not in slex 11:36 <@Luxidream> the only reason someone might not have seen it in vanilla first is if they literally don't play vanilla at all 11:37 bhaak: yes, and they're almost the same as in HTML: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11_color_names 11:37 well there are definitely players that play slex exclusively 11:38 ais523: oh, I wasn't aware that they are all in rgb.txt 11:38 LarienTelrunya: Why doesn't it auto-identify if you zap it at yourself? That seems unintuitive if you know about the monster behaviour 11:38 <@Luxidream> I wish Gus Van would at least phrase things better, I'm unable to fix anything he wrote for syntax or diction anymore because he'll probably just revoke it 11:38 PeterQ: not sure if it autoidentifies if you zap yourself, but the issue in question is that it does not autoidentify if you zap an item on the ground 11:38 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11128 11:39 Some browsers such as Netscape Navigator insisted on an "a" in any "Gray" except for "Light Grey". 11:40 but even if it were about it not autoidentifying when you zap yourself, it doesn't do that in vanilla or slashem either 11:40 (which is bizarre as "lightgray" is the actual color name) 11:40 ais523: maybe a rebel programmer inside of netscape. 11:40 ais523: yes this is another wiki issue that I'd be interested to know any history on: what happens if you have someone who hasn't quite mastered English and produces material that really should be edited for better language, but will revert any edits to their text? 11:41 LarienTelrunya: yes, we are ! :) 11:41 aosdict: on Wikipedia we'd link them to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=WP:OWN 11:41 btw, i need to register to the site separately from the game ? 11:41 because im cannot login to hdf site on my game pass 11:42 (sorry about the URL, Wikipedia [[]] links are more convenient than those on IRC) 11:42 uniusz: weird, it should be the same username and password that you use to log into the server 11:42 but its not 11:42 idk why 11:42 LarienTelrunya: Yes, but in vanilla monsters don't zap cancellation, so it does not matter there 11:43 PeterQ: being zapped by a monster does identify the wand; if you were the one zapping the wand, you have it in your inventory anyway so you can #name it then 11:43 aosdict: with most smaller wikis there aren't really policies for this sort of thing in place though 11:44 <@Luxidream> wikipedia is pretty strict about edit warring 11:44 if it becomes a problem often enough they'll write one, but apart from that it pretty much has to come down to discussion between admins as to what the the rules should be 11:44 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 19063 points, T:12364, quit 11:44 this is gus van's first sentence about the wand of cancellation in slex: "Regularly monsters will use it against you, with random results." 11:44 @Luxidream: well edit /wars/ don't really help anything, normally, so we want to try to direct the energy behind that into something more productive 11:44 <@Luxidream> looks like they still ban even if correct information is trying to make it on the page 11:44 LarienTelrunya: do you know maybe how can i set in config option that all artifacts will be displayed on violet color ? 11:45 @Luxidream: if a disagreement brews you're meant to notify someone, and then let someone uninvolved change the page back to the correct version 11:45 also to talk it out on the Talk page 11:46 that is the stage we are at now 11:46 except the response wasn't quite civil 11:47 uniusz: uhh not sure, you'd have to edit the menucolors for that but I don't know of a way that highlights them all with just one line 11:48 on Esolang an approach that has worked has been to get a new admin in to argue the point every time (up until the point where the user has argued with every admin, at which point they normally get banned) 11:48 either the person works out that they're being unreasonable, or they're unlikely to ever be educated 11:48 LarienTelrunya: oh, okay then, not that important anyway 11:49 there was a super-ambitious menucolors-like rewrite I was planning in NH4 and never got round to, that could have done it 11:49 ^ eh, hard start 11:49 but I don't think the existing menucolors interface is powerful enough to do it without listing every artifact separately 11:49 MENUCOLOR="Excalibur"=lightmagenta 11:49 and copy that for all the other artifacts :D 11:49 I know vanilla Slash'EM has a few named objects that aren't artifacts, just as decoys 11:49 LarienTelrunya: you'd probably need to anchor it in case artifact names can come up in the names of non-artifact objects 11:50 LarienTelrunya: I'm going to start trolling people by leaving a broadsword named Excalibur, a two-handed sword named Excalibur, in bones 11:50 for all I know, SLEX has an artifact named "red" or something 11:50 but I'd much rather have cursed items highlighted red 11:50 what is with BCU highlighting? 11:50 aosdict: heh, you can't do that in slex though because you can't name any item after a non-nameable artifact there :D 11:50 ais523: it's IMHO more important to see that the Excalibur has gotten cursed, than to see that it is an artifact 11:51 OK, so it's to help avoid using a cursed item by mistake? 11:51 ais523: Fourk, xnethack, and SpliceHack also give randomly generated well-enchanted weapons names, but those are pretty easy to discern 11:51 LarienTelrunya: can you name an item of the wrong based type after a nameable artifact? 11:51 aosdict: just use unicode characters, then it should work 11:51 it's so that if I miss the "A black aura surrounds you" annoyance in the middle of the ascension run battle spam, I can easily open my inventory and see at a glance if anything got cursed 11:51 bhaak: pff 11:52 LarienTelrunya: doesn't it make unblessings harder to spot, though? 11:52 ais523: nope, because I don't want players to cheat-identify luckstones or something by naming random gray stones after artifacts 11:52 as grey doesn't stand out 11:52 yeah unblessings can be missed sometimes, but I try to make sure to check whether the bag of holding is still light cyan (my color for blessed stuff) 11:56 That said. 11:56 Chris_ANG: Message from [Demo] at 2018-10-14 09:52 EDT: when i carve stuff into the rod of elvish lords and try to read it it tells me its a silly thing to read in the latest version of dnh 11:56 LarienTelrunya: doesn't this method let blind players use Sting-naming to identify runed daggers? 11:56 Er 11:56 err, I meant Zen players / blind characters 11:56 It don't know why I just said "That said", I meant to say "." 11:57 ais523: uhh don't they already say "runed dagger" anyway if you pick them up while blind? 11:57 Why is there a master lich at the castle (DL28) when I'm lvl 13, I thought there should only be Liches/Semiliches... 11:58 oh no, semiliches! They're a disembodied half of a lich! 11:58 :P 11:58 now I have to add "semilich" to the list of monsters to put into slex :D 11:58 Creating monsters of a specific class ignores the normal difficulty restrictions. 11:58 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:56683 11:58 (In vanilla/variants that don't change that) 11:58 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:56684 11:59 See also "minesflayer" 12:00 <@rikersan> aosdict: "The razor-sharp blade cuts the lich in half! The semilich hits! The semilich casts a spell at you!" 12:00 <@rikersan> also, EPI: any amorphous monster splits into 2 ala puddings when bisected by the tsurugi 12:01 Given that D&D Demiliches are already just a skull, perhaps that should already happen when Vorpal Blade beheads one.... 12:01 <@rikersan> seems fine to me 12:01 LarienTelrunya: I failed to comment on that because I assumed they were already in ther. 12:01 there* 12:02 PeterQ: ask stenno about it, he's done some serious analysis of the phenomenon 12:03 Chris_ANG: are master liches and arch-liches D&D or is that just nethack iterating on the concept? 12:03 hm? 12:03 aosdict: heh, often there's a good chance that ideas are already in slex, but I'm still open for new ones :) team L in particular could use some more high-level stuff 12:03 oh purple L at the castle, yeah 12:03 a bug 12:03 I think it's D&D iterating. 12:03 Er 12:03 NetHack iterating. 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:40449 12:04 potion of booze when thrown at monster makes it confused ? 12:04 Liches are already really strong in D&D, and Demiliches are semi-transcendent liches, so.... 12:05 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:56832 12:05 Not much room above that. 12:08 <@rikersan> hey chris, "(struct monst) 0" evaluates to false right? 12:08 Yeah 12:08 <@rikersan> er, monst * but ya 12:08 <@rikersan> ok thanks 12:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 12:09 Chris_ANG: I imagine, following that, that a master lich is just a miasma of undead magical power or something. 12:09 <@Demo> it's like null but not 12:09 <@rikersan> well I mean 12:09 <@rikersan> 0 casts to false 12:10 <@rikersan> struct monst * 0 is casting 0 to a struct monst 12:10 <@rikersan> I would assume that it also casts to false 12:12 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:33762 12:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:43796 12:13 Quite possibly yeah XD. I think 4e also might've had some kind of advanced lich that was sorta like that (4e had extremely rapid level scaling, which made the Underground Monkey trope extremely common since everything needed like 14 different level-scaled variants) 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3161 12:20 <@rikersan> chris: is there a reason that the make-pet-friendly check runs 2x in allmain.c? 12:21 <@rikersan> oh nevermind one is for summoned monsters 12:22 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:57067 12:22 When i throw potion of sickness at monster it will make it sick or something ? Or if ill throw potion of blindness this make my enemy blind ? 12:24 [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 2609837 points, T:57080, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/tnnt/dumplog/1538859950.tnnt.txt 12:26 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:26 uniusz: sickness removes hp from the monster, blindness blinds. thrown potions can miss though 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:42549 12:26 PeterQ: i see, thank you 12:26 o/ 12:28 Opabinia regalis was disappointingly tiny. 12:28 12:29 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:34524 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 cloak of protection", on T:43882 12:32 How to check if my lamp is magic or oil ? 12:35 Can i use scroll of punishement in some good way for me ? 12:39 it gives you a heavy iron ball that can be used as a weapon, but it weighs a lot 12:39 YASI: light iron ball. 12:42 -!- hf_guest_25737 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 12:44 okay 12:46 does it only say "identify when zapping potions and scrolls"? 12:47 because that implies zapping somewhere other than yourself, but technically zapping at yourself while having those on you will still fulfill "identifies when zapping potions and scrolls" 12:47 i played this much minecraft <---------------> 12:47 i guess it's time to play nethack again 12:47 <@Demo> oh yeah 12:47 uniusz: pretty much every qustion you are asking are explained in the wiki https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page 12:47 and some things are more fun to discover on your own 12:48 FIQ: I've tested, the wand of cancellation does not identify when you zap items on the ground and also not when you zap yourself. Tested in vanilla, SLASH'EM and SLEX. 12:48 it works though 12:48 LarienTelrunya: did you try while carrying blankable items? 12:48 particularily potions and scrolls 12:49 FIQ: yes, I had a whole inventory full of such items and they became blank scrolls and potions of water in the process 12:49 also, try both zapping down and at a direction 12:49 because they are 2 different codepaths 12:49 yes, really 12:49 it'll cancel all your wands, so why wouldn't it do scolls and potions? 12:50 stenno: keep playing minecraft for the rest of october, gotta stay fresh for tnnt 12:50 zapping in > direction blanks stuff on the ground and does not identify the wand 12:50 yes, but zapping in another direction at blankable stuff? 12:51 blanks those items and does not identify the wand either 12:53 <@Luxidream> YASI: Over water, you can engrave Elbereth into the ceiling with a wand of fire, however, it only scares wumpuses 12:53 not trappers? 12:53 heh, yesterday I saw an engraving burnt into the water in slex 12:53 what about piercers 12:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:53 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:54 <@Luxidream> Don’t they drop before they attack you? 12:55 but they move around on the ceiling 12:55 <@Luxidream> I thought it was implied they drop and crawl around on the ground once they see you 12:56 <@Luxidream> when they are hiding on the ceiling they don't move 12:56 well eventually they re-hide 12:56 i thought you said this was over water 12:56 * aosdict wonders what happens if a piercer is clinging to the ceiling over a 1x1 island in water, and then the water walking hero steps onto it 12:56 nice patch idea: uncursed rings of hunger should not drain nutrition when you're hungry 12:57 if there are islands and water, why is there a ceiling? 12:57 rebatela: thank you 12:57 :) 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 6350 points, T:5711, killed by a gray unicorn 12:57 but not everything is there 12:57 hothraxxa: medusa for instance 12:58 <@Luxidream> even on quest home you have sky trapdoors from god that drop rocks on you 12:58 so islands in medusa have c eilings? 12:58 all of medusa has ceilings 12:58 really 12:58 in testing for tnnt, I saddled a wumpus and rode it across the water 12:58 there's an achievement for that 12:58 it's like a huge flooded basement is it 12:59 bug_sniper: I'm not sure what this achieves beyond making it hard to (unwisely) ID a ring by wearing it for a bit after just turning Hungry 12:59 <@Luxidream> how do you do that without fallng off 12:59 a firm grip 13:00 pinkbeast: that's hardly unwise, it's just a slight risk 13:00 it's how i id sd about 75% of the time 13:00 @Luxidream it appears that piercers can move around clinging to the ceiling, as they are moving towards me over water 13:01 <@Luxidream> huh, I had no idea 13:01 hothraxxa: Depends if (eg) you don't know polymorph and are wearing your one mithril coat... not sure I'm bothered about IDing slow digestion really 13:02 i don't feel much at risk doing it. if i have something that i'm worried about i take it off. it's just for 40 turns usually, sometimes only 5 if i have meatballs 13:02 i value sd highly myself 13:04 i'm trying to recall ever getting burned by a ring of polymorph. i can only recall once and that happened on the first turn 13:04 after putting it on i mean 13:07 <@Demo> sd is kind of game breaking in some ways 13:07 <@Demo> you can pull quite a bit of bullshit with it 13:08 hothraxxa: there are people in #nethack that refuse to play anything other than wizards and who will startscum those wizards until they get slow digestion. like... really? 13:08 SD I think of as almost the worst ring that's good 13:08 'you have a momentary vision' - when i throw potion at rat 13:08 what that potion can be ? 13:08 <@Demo> if your gonna do that you might as well play dnh 13:09 oh potion of hallucination maybe 13:09 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 13:11 wow on dlvl5 i get xplvl2 13:11 its a bit late 13:12 <@Demo> sd is really good for abusive play 13:12 SD is a great ring for non-wizards. Wizards get hungerless casting anyway 13:13 <@rikersan> how about SD on a tourist :p 13:13 <@Demo> I probably wouldn't use it late game 13:13 <@Demo> it's definitely an early and midgame ring 13:13 yeah I like having it a lot, but i'd never scum for it (i do scum for markers though lol ) 13:14 <@Theyflower> Sd is a good ring for anyone to casually wear until they have something more important to put in that slot 13:14 Or for non-wizards that cast a lot 13:14 exactly 13:14 Theyflower> well, yes, it is a net benefit, just a tiny one 13:14 <@rikersan> or just to wear around when you don't need it 13:15 <@Demo> dnh gehennom it is useful but you also need other rings there so it's kind of bad 13:15 if you cast a lot, you basically are using all your food for spells if you have SD 13:15 <@rikersan> even if my only source of say, fire res is a ring, I'll bail for SD generally 13:15 sd means you can carry less food. food is heavy, usually 13:15 that too 13:15 I certainly wouldn't drop an actual resistance for SD 13:15 <@Demo> dnh gehennom is still broken rn food wise imo, just in the other direction 13:16 <@Demo> where food isn't a challenge but an annoyance 13:16 no. obviously it's the first ring to take off if you need to spot . But it's great to have if only to offset the other ring 13:16 Ill need to re-read force bolt or not ? 13:16 force bolt what? 13:16 Isn't that generally true in NH? Food only matters early game 13:16 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Spellbook 13:16 it's a nuisance 13:17 rebatela: Apparently not that "obviously" since rikersan said they'd drop fire res for it, extraordinary as that seems to me. 13:17 horhaxxa yes 13:17 uniusz: Yes, but only much later in the game (at 20 000 turns). So you can drop it on the ground if you want to be able to carry more 13:17 PeterQ: but i just lost it 13:17 ;c 13:17 nice patch idea: uncursed slow digestion rings should do nothing when you're oversatiated 13:17 i dip it into clear water, i didnt know that result will be 13:17 what now ? 13:17 you won't need to read it for 20,000 turns 13:17 so don't worry about it 13:18 It's not that important 13:18 but maybe ill need it after 20 000 turn 13:18 and i dont have it 13:18 you can find another one 13:18 pinkbeast, the idea that it should activate when the effect is beneficial 13:18 you can write a new one 13:18 or write it 13:18 and im fucked 13:18 you're not going to live that long 13:18 hmm 13:18 ill be able around 20 000 turns 13:18 uniusz: just smash all statues you find with a pickaxe, they might contain spellbooks 13:18 to write spellbooks ? 13:19 you will be able to write them as soon as you find a magic marker 13:19 PeterQ: ill smash them with force bolt 13:19 you can write any spellbook you know if you have a marker 13:19 you can write one on that blank spellbook when you find a marker (after 20,000 turns) 13:19 <[Demo]2> yani: make x resistance rings more useful by making barehanded ungloved combat get a dmg bonus of x type when ring is worn 13:19 you'll die by then anyway. don't sweat it 13:19 i can smash them with force bolt also ? 13:19 yes 13:19 yep 13:19 and wizards have a great chance of writing ones they don't know 13:19 i have that spell now im in turn just 3 300 13:19 so i have 17 000 turns for figure out something 13:20 trust rebatela. it's not a big deal 13:20 also, you can just drop the book and remember where it is if you need it later 13:20 uniusz: is there some reason you don't look stuff up in the wiki? is it just easier to ask all the things you wonder? 13:21 you can do this with #annotate 13:21 most games, I quit using force bolt as soon as I get magic missile, and only very rarely need it 13:21 uniusz: and by that time you will probably have more powerful ways of killing monsters than force bolt 13:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:21 rebatela: People keep answering questions uniusz has had answered before, let alone ones answered on the wiki. They have no incentive to stop. 13:21 after you find mm it's reduced to smashing boulders and statues 13:22 CTRL + N also works to annotate levels in 3.6.x 13:22 *n 13:22 well there's a few ways 13:23 eg shift + n gives the choice too 13:23 I wish i had to chance to play the game unspoiled. You should try to figure stuff out uniusz 13:24 Pinkbeast: Very true 13:24 it's the "fun" of the game 13:24 i never felt like that. i spolied myself thoroughly after about 3 games 13:24 I think I got unspoiled out of my system in Hack 1.0.3 13:25 of course back then there was no wiki, but i found steelypips 13:25 yeah exactly. people are REALLY spoiled today with the wiki 13:25 it's pretty amazing 13:25 except uniusz 13:26 lulz 13:26 i would advise anyone starting out to get spoiled as much as you can. it'll be tough enough 13:26 Not to be all "uphill both ways" but I got someone else to tell me everything in his head; the rgrn spoilers were mostly a few years off. ;-) 13:27 ** 13:28 #annotate 13:28 what annotate hothraxxa 13:28 well when i were a lad, we never had no roguelikes at all. we had to make do poking each other with sticks for swords, and were happy to have that 13:28 uniusz: look. it. up. 13:28 hothraxxa: You had _sticks_? You were lucky. :-) 13:29 <@Luxidream> !tell LarienTelrunya petition for a "help vampire" in slex 13:29 Will do, @Luxidream! 13:29 ok 13:29 @Luxidream: what would that do? 13:29 LarienTelrunya: Message from @Luxidream at 2018-10-14 13:29 EDT: petition for a "help vampire" in slex 13:30 rebatela: I think there were two tipping points for me where I said "this is enough, time for spoilers": the first was when I got down to a decent depth and then died by trying to pick up a cockatrice corpse, and then the other was when I explore-moded all the way down to the end of the Valley and didn't know that there was a secret door so I had no idea what to do. 13:30 a help vampire gives you valuable information but drains a level 13:30 <@Luxidream> ^ 13:30 hothraxxa: that's sort of the opposite. it should *demand* information and then drain a level 13:31 i like mine better 13:31 How can i check if is there no shoop after closed doors to not make shopkepper angry when i kick them up ? 13:31 <@rikersan> open the door first... 13:31 don't kick doors that could be shops 13:31 <@rikersan> unlock it if needed 13:31 <@rikersan> but yeah generally? just don't waste time kicking doors 13:32 if it's a locked shop, there will be a sign in the dust 13:32 <@rikersan> I know it exercises dex but it's not a huge benefit 13:32 exercises tr too 13:32 str 13:32 so for early characters, it is a good exercise 13:32 <@Theyflower> Failing to open a door also exercises str 13:32 yes 13:32 When I'm being Mr Boring But Optimal I kick all the doors just before leaving a level 13:33 i automatically kick down all doors on levels 1-4 with rare exceptions 13:33 <@Theyflower> Just get 18 str by pushing in soko for 6000 turns 13:33 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:34 hothraxxa where to search for that sign and how to do it ? 13:34 you don't. you'll find a locked door with a sign in the dust 13:34 if it's locked and no sign, it's not a shop 13:35 Btw its good to have 2 pets at early ? i have kitten and large dog 13:35 if you can keep them fed, and you don't mind them eating your corpses 13:35 because i lost kitten, then tame new and my losten kitten was found later 13:35 hothraxxa idk if i can 13:36 then leave the kitten on a different level 13:36 <@rikersan> if you start running out of food cuz they keep eating corpses, just ditch one of them (preferably the weaker one) 13:36 !save stenno 13:36 or both if you need to get rid of both 13:36 don't kill it 13:37 can you get 2 points of str at a time if you exceed the trianing threshhold twice? 13:37 no 13:37 !plr stenno 13:37 istr you need to exercise a stat 35 times or more to be eligible for an increase 13:38 :v 13:38 how do i check for savefile 13:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:40 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 13:41 <@rikersan> hey chris what's u.pethped for 13:41 <@rikersan> pet hp ed? 13:42 <@rikersan> it's only used like once and I can't find it being set 13:42 <@Demo> unimplemented mastery artifact i think 13:42 <@rikersan> ah cool 13:42 <@Demo> heal all pets probably? 13:42 <@Demo> these are guesses 13:43 <@Demo> not sure why a you field would be used as part of that though hmm 13:43 <@rikersan> it's a flag that if set, will clear itself and give you +lvl xp? 13:43 <@rikersan> not sure 13:43 <@rikersan> > more_experienced(u.ulevel,0); 13:44 <@Demo> potentially maybe something for bard to gain hp from pets? 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1877 points, T:2643, killed by a gnome 13:44 <[Demo]> alright time to fully butcher the gnomish mines 13:45 <@rikersan> you got this 13:45 <[Demo]> moving the stairs to vlad to somewhere else 13:47 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 13:47 <[Demo]> and removing everything after minetwon 13:47 <@rikersan> why? 13:48 <[Demo]> do you know about the village patch? 13:55 How long can one be AFK without being autodisconnected? 13:58 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 holy greased rustproof scrolls of charging", on T:38758 13:59 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "holy greased rustproof magic marker", on T:38767 13:59 PeterQ: Forever, assuming you actually keep the TCP connection alive. 13:59 Whether your client autodisconnects for you after being AFK depends on the client. 13:59 yeah 13:59 and die from straving 13:59 nice... 13:59 <[Demo]> hmm... black forest might actually make drows playable early on 14:00 <[Demo]> didnt realize how easy it was for them 14:01 uniusz: if you make any actions in NH, nothing happens, you cannot die from hunger that way 14:01 what 14:02 but i die from strave now 14:02 so i can 14:02 PeterQ: Oh wait, were you talking about IRC or hardfought? if hardfought it's 1 hour 14:02 typo, meant if you DON't make any actions 14:02 damn what roll 14:02 aosdict: meant hardfought, thx 14:02 18/03 str as mage 14:03 thats true PeterQ 14:04 but that roll is a bit shame cuz it was reroll, cuz in previos str was 9 so i #quit ;c 14:04 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 14:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 14:04 PeterQ: that's one thing I don't like about Gauntlet 14:05 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +3 gauntlets of power", on T:38799 14:05 str is easy to train. a high str means some other stat suffered 14:05 hothraxxa how to train it in easy way 14:05 if it was intelligence, that's bad 14:06 no int is 16 14:06 so fine for orc 14:06 uniusz: read about attributes and how to train them, it's all in the wiki 14:06 often the stat that suffered is constitution (since strength gets increased if you would start encumbered) 14:06 dx12,co15,wi8,ch7 14:07 and high constitution makes starting encumbered unlikely 14:07 his con isn't too bad either 14:07 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:07 then maybe he just got lucky and got very heavy initial items 14:07 i.e. food 14:07 what, like meatloaf? 14:08 your mom's 14:08 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +3 boots of speed", on T:38809 14:09 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed greased fireproof scrolls of enchant armor", on T:38815 14:09 -!- Tangles_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:09 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 14:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 14:12 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +0 magic marker", on T:38832 14:12 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +0 magic marker", on T:38833 14:12 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +0 magic marker", on T:38833 14:12 <@Luxidream> +0 magic marker? 14:12 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +0 magic marker", on T:38897 14:12 ...does he know those are all going to be dry 14:12 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +0 magic marker", on T:38936 14:13 [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 265726 points, T:38938, quit 14:13 LMAO 14:13 <@Luxidream> looks like he just got tilted with the game 14:13 F 14:14 LarienTelrunya, FIQ: This is probably too late to be of any use, but code diving suggests that wands of cancellation are indeed NOT identified through use in SLEX. 14:14 Chris_ANG: and in dnethack? will they be identified that way there? 14:15 Hm, good question. Don't think so. 14:16 A quick dive suggests not. 14:17 yeah that's what I expected, the vanilla behavior is that it doesn't identify and most variants didn't change that 14:21 [Demo]: Fixed the elvish lords thing, probably. 14:21 Which probably means "introduced a crash from not testing a fix" 14:23 <[Demo]> which means im gonna take it and test it probably if its simple 14:23 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Mon Hum Mal Law), 91 points, T:595, choked on a food ration 14:26 <[Demo]> hmm what are these ana starting gear enchantment changes for? 14:27 LarienTelrunya: does it definitely happen in *any* variant? 14:27 not in vanilla 14:28 aosdict: didn't test all the variants but I know of none where cancellation autoidentifies when zapped 14:29 because if Mr. GV is writing up stuff based on his _supposition_ of what it does in other variants with absolutely no evidence... 14:30 call him fake news 14:30 [Demo]: Anas ended up being rather squishy after the AC/DR split. 14:31 <[Demo]> ah 14:31 +1 items give +1 DR in their slot. 14:31 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31 (+2 gives +1 slot DR and +1 overall AC) 14:31 (And so on) 14:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:33 LarienTelrunya: we'll see how he responds to your reply, and if he persists I'm going to do Luxidream's original reversion with a "Please provide a reference". 14:33 aosdict: okay 14:33 his "monsters will zap cancellation at you with random effects" is also weird, the effect is that your stuff gets cancelled and occasionally you lose an intrinsic 14:34 is that changed at all from slash'em? 14:34 yes, the intrinsic loss part is new 14:35 i.e. if the player is zapped with cancellation, there's a slight chance for that to happen 14:35 he probably thought it was a completely random effect because it doesn't happen every time? 14:36 but I mean, that sentence you quoted is so vague that it is meaningless 14:36 you could be excused for thinking based on that sentence it works like the splicehack wand of wonder 14:37 yeah, or since this is slex, one could also think it means "random bad effect" which is a thing in slex, just not related to the wand of cancellation 14:38 <@Luxidream> I haven't checked the items page for SLASH'EM Extended yet 14:38 <@Luxidream> but perhaps he made similar mistakes there, due to not source diving? 14:39 <@Luxidream> in any case, that isn't a good reference for slex items, due to how outdated it always is 14:39 -!- uniusz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:39 mainly, some of his edits to the items page give effects of randomized appearances that certain base items happened to have in his games 14:40 <@Luxidream> oh. that's a problem 14:40 thanks for that context 14:40 or in the case of randarts, he gives the base item that the artifact in question randomly had in his game 14:40 you can't write wiki articles with one anecdotal source 14:41 ShivanHunter's Unused Prize for example is a randart armor; the article now says it's a scale mail, but if someone else wishes for it or finds it, it might not be a scale mail 14:42 <@Luxidream> this is the equivalent of someone playing vanilla, finding a hexagonal amulet, and declaring that all amulets of strangulation are hexagonal? 14:42 yeah 14:43 and his entry for the ring of special effects is especially great: "Grants special effects. Whatever they may be." :P 14:43 <@Luxidream> I don't understand he clearly knows how to source dive 14:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:44 e 14:46 -!- uniusz has joined #hardfought 14:53 -!- uniusz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00 <@rikersan> what's "rnl" in the nethack source? 15:00 <@rikersan> I know rn2 and rnz but not sure about rnl 15:00 a luck-involved rng function 15:00 <@rikersan> ah ok 15:01 wiki has a page on it 15:01 <@rikersan> thanks 15:01 do you know rn1? 15:01 rnd? 15:01 rne? 15:01 in slex there's also rno and rn3 :D 15:01 what is rn3 15:01 rn3 is like rn2 but weighted towards lower values 15:01 and rno is rnd weighted towards lower values 15:01 <@rikersan> aosdict: vaguely but not sure about rn3 15:02 rn3 is slex only 15:02 <@rikersan> I know rnd is just pure random and I believe rne is geometric distribution 15:02 rne is based on experience 15:02 player XL 15:02 rnd is just rn2 _ 1 15:03 er, rn2 + 1 15:03 rne is stupid, or rather its sole use in the game is stupid 15:04 isn't rne used in rnz? 15:05 yep 15:06 okay I meant the other use 15:06 rnz ♥ 15:06 <@rikersan> is chris here rn 15:06 where it is responsible for the starting enchantments of rings and other gear 15:06 lance breaking: 15:06 oh 15:07 <@rikersan> wait, so high xp is higher enchantments on rings? 15:07 thanks to rne, if you delve through gehennom at XL1, you will find low enchantments on stuff 15:07 @rikersan you tend to be xl 1 when you start the game 15:07 if you farm levels early in the game, you get high enchantments 15:07 <@rikersan> that's really dumb 15:08 it should be based on level depth, not player stats 15:08 Indeed. 15:08 <@Tone> does that also apply to enchanted items in monster starting inventories at all? 15:08 @Tone it's part of the core mkobj code, so I would expect so. 15:09 Level depth not player stats> well MONSTR is the elephant in the room there 15:09 slex removed the player experience level component from rne ;) 15:09 <@rikersan> chris you here atm 15:09 It does, hence why you meet player monsters with +8 weapons on Astral 15:09 <@rikersan> aren't those guarenteed? 15:09 <@Tone> aosdict: Interesting. I might spend more time checking enchantments at the castle in the future 15:10 @Tone let me check the wiki... it might have a pivot at a high XL that I'm barely remembering... 15:10 <@Tone> Pinkbeast: There must be more going on with Astral player monsters, right? I'm usually barely higher level on astral than I am post-castle and you don't see those high enchantments everywhere else, I think? 15:10 Tone: Well, that could be lies, let me check... 15:11 OK, so the pivot is at XL 18. Up until then, rne and thus enchantments will never go higher than 5. 15:12 So for a standard game where you don't overlevel, *nothing* will randomly generate higher than +5 15:12 <@Tone> Interesting 15:12 still, if you did overlevel, you can then start seeing +6, +7, ..., +10 gear 15:12 <@Tone> it's weighted closer to +5 the higher your level is up to 17 though? 15:12 And I believe astral is a special case. 15:12 @Tone doesn't seem like it. 15:13 <@Tone> ah, okay 15:13 <@Tone> that explains why I've never really noticed -- I can't remember the last time I hit xl 18 😄 15:13 (on astral, iirc, it makes the object and then throws away whatever its spe was in favor of making it +7 to +9 15:14 YANI: Monsters that init with weapons and not asleep are already wielding those weapons. Astral (and other places) shouldn't give the player free turns on which a monster's doing nothing because it's wielding its weapon. 15:16 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 651 points, T:926, killed by a watch captain 15:19 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 451 points, T:774, killed by a bat 15:19 You're right - it's mplayer.c around line 265. otmp->spe = (special ? rn1(5, 4) : rn2(4)); 15:20 <@Tone> Interesting stuff, thanks guys 15:21 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 15:22 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 639 points, T:1222, killed by a dwarf king 15:23 in a few months @Tone will have a video explaining all this stuff 15:24 <@Tone> haha 15:24 <@Tone> ...maybe 15:24 <@rikersan> even better: go play slex's x-race for that 15:24 <@rikersan> if amy hasn't changed it recently, it makes rnx super wonky 15:24 <@rikersan> *rnz 15:27 @rikersan: you forgot to add the obligatory *bundlebundlebundle* ♥ 15:27 <@rikersan> oh I'm sorry 15:27 <@rikersan> bundlebundlebundle 15:27 heart 15:28 <@rikersan> (heart) 15:28 <@rikersan> ❤ 15:28 after years of research, I have developed the ultimate counter to bundling 15:28 eldnubeldnubeldnub 15:29 💜 💚 😍 💘 💙 💞 15:29 <@rikersan> electoshock therapy? 15:29 <@rikersan> lol 15:29 <@rikersan> 💔 15:29 @rikersan: noooooou :( 15:29 I bought an antibundling shield but I think I got fleeced 15:30 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2706 15:32 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:28015 15:33 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:28025 15:38 should i eat salted toffee 15:38 how can that even taste good 15:39 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 14501 points, T:5474, killed by a jaguar, while praying 15:39 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5473 15:39 how similar are toffee and caramel? 15:39 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG please review my PRs when you get a chance, they should be Bug Free™ and actually fix things 15:39 Will do, @rikersan! 15:39 <@Luxidream> !lastgame tnnt 15:39 @Luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1539544965.tnnt.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/tnnt/dumplog/1539537739.tnnt.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/tnnt/dumplog/1539526346.tnnt.txt 15:41 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1801 points, T:3384, killed by a blue jelly 15:41 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Con Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:5, killed by a newt 15:42 i think toffee is caramel fudge 15:43 [hdf-us] [tnnt] cassiopeiastar (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 16 points, T:123, killed by a magic missile 15:43 well salted caramel is supposedly good. do you like that? 15:43 idk 15:43 I don't like salted caramel in and of itself, but I had some in ice cream form once which was pretty good 15:44 i don't know if it's good or not, i didn't taste it yet 15:45 <@Demo> too salty 15:46 ask for a sample 15:47 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Con Vam Fem Cha), 236 points, T:464, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 15:48 got it from my parents as they visited my sister in oxford 15:48 LarienTelrunya: I don't know about zapping but in unnethack all wands auto-id if they show produce message when test-engraving 15:49 bhaak: yeah I know about that; slex intentionally doesn't have that because some wands that were unambiguous in vanilla can be different ones in slex :D 15:51 xnethack recently gained this feature as well, so the code is there just in case anyone wants to put it into vanilla... ;) 15:51 Blarg 15:51 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-10-14 15:39 EDT: please review my PRs when you get a chance, they should be Bug Free™ and actually fix things 15:52 @rikersan: you exposed another bug in the pet code >_< 15:52 those https://res.cloudinary.com/hmqmnssxe/e_trim/f_auto,c_fit,b_rgb:fff,w_425,h_425/v1523547691/products/a35a21a9-9d77-4f42-8070-f789bd9b2ae9.jpg 15:52 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anhur, on T:28508 15:52 actually, more general question: why did vanilla take a bunch of gameplay features from unnethack, without taking some of the QoL features? 15:54 Also, er, wait... 15:56 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed greased scrolls of charging", on T:711 15:56 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:711 15:57 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:723 15:57 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of levitation", on T:728 15:57 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased ring of conflict", on T:729 15:58 <@Tone> those look good stenno 15:58 they taste just fine 15:58 <@Tone> I think the chocolate would seal it for me 😄 15:58 not really salty at all 16:01 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2222 16:01 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1542 points, T:2234, killed by Yeenoghu 16:02 stenno: (belatedly) salted toffee is delicious, if you don't like it you can give your portion to me 16:02 well i am sorry it tastes really good for me too :P 16:05 @Luxidream that sounds like a cool game, would you mind checking your achievements for it and letting me know if there were any that you didn't actually earn? 16:05 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 98 points, T:588, killed by a goblin 16:05 <@Luxidream> uh, what do you mean 16:06 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28960 16:06 <@Luxidream> I've played a lot of other games, are there any suspicious looking achievements? 16:06 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: whargbafhrhrgbfl] 16:06 No, just I haven't been able to test them enough 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:4682 16:07 we had an issue where someone got "Motherhood" despite not remembering laying an egg 16:07 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 16:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 8471 points, T:4721, killed by a salamander 16:08 did they #sit on anything else? 16:08 <@Luxidream> okay I'll take a look 16:08 sitting on something else wouldn't have caused it 16:08 and picking up an egg that hatches wouldn't either even if you're femal 16:08 e 16:09 so they must have laid an egg and not remembered 16:09 but hadn't they been male all game? 16:10 ok you don't appear to be able to see the achievements for an individual game. yay. 16:10 you can do #achievements but the output is very cryptic (this may change though) 16:10 not after the fact, I mean 16:10 I guess the xlog can still be checked. 16:11 <@Luxidream> aosdict: don't remember getting "The Most Dangerous Game", but it seems easy enough to trigger it by accident 16:11 have you ever dug a pit 16:12 <@Luxidream> I have "Conqueror of Death" despite never reaching astral 16:12 ok yeah that's a bug 16:12 thanks for finding it 16:13 <@Luxidream> I also have "Who You Gonna Call" even though I haven't quaffed any milky potions 16:13 also if you notice any you should have gotten but didn't. particularly the ones on either side of Conqueror of Death and Who You Gonna Call 16:14 <@Luxidream> doesn't look like ti 16:15 <@Luxidream> *it 16:15 ugh, so much for an easily fixed off by one error 16:16 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:19 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 16:22 aosdict: most of those commits got picked during the run up to 3.6.0 and the new devs picked uncontroversial features. what QoL features are you thinking of? 16:23 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 16:26 well, like the one you mentioned, id all wands that are unambiguous while engraving 16:27 only controversy I could see there is if someone thinks "a few ice cubes drop from the wand" is the height of mystery 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] woodstea23 (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 229228 points, T:28328, quit 16:30 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:30 -!- uniusz has joined #hardfought 16:36 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 16:40 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 13 points, T:261, killed by a killer bee 16:40 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:36, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 16:45 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 26 points, T:60, killed by a fox 16:47 !who 16:47 uniusz: [hdf-us] AlbertB [tnnt] cassiopeiastar [tnnt] ShivanHunter [tnnt] theGreatFudd [tnnt] Bard [slshm] woodstea23 [nh362] jim [nh362] Leeroy [slex] tempest [spl] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh362] uniusz [nh362] jt [gh] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:47 alot players ;o 16:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] woodstea23 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 351 points, T:2424, killed by a gas spore's explosion 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 6449 points, T:7513, killed by a leocrotta 17:01 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] woodstea23 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 262 points, T:1523, killed by a crossbow bolt 17:03 when i switch to daggers as wizard i can just drop started staff ? 17:03 or maybe ill need it later ? 17:03 <@shadowsapex> what's your dagger skill? 17:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:04 <@shadowsapex> nah, you know what, drop it 17:05 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 17:08 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10 shadowsapex base 17:10 i just started ;p 17:14 <@rikersan> chris: shouldn't pets whose only purpose in the entire dungeon is to be your servant count as loyal? 17:14 <@rikersan> minions have 1 job 17:14 <@rikersan> it is to be your pet 17:15 aosdict: ah, well, that's touching the area of how much spoilers are required. I guess they didn't want to approach that hot potato. 17:15 Minions: "Hey! I am a free willed individual!" 17:15 <@rikersan> I can see an argument for untaming them if your alignment drops below a certain point or you change alignments (cc aosdict you might like this) but I feel like they definitely are as loyal as your starting pet 17:17 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:19 bhaak: sigh... at some point the devteam is going to have to weigh preserving trivial details for the few unspoiled players versus persistent annoyances for the large group of spoiled players 17:20 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 17:20 <@rikersan> aosdict: what do you think of slash'ems and dnh pet minions? 17:20 <@rikersan> they occur rarely instead of sac gifts, mostly at lower levels in dnh I believe 17:22 yeah I think that is an interesting alternative to artifacts 17:22 recently posted a similar thing on the YANI archive 17:22 because I misinterpreted something as splicehack gods giving you Sleipnir as a pet 17:23 <@rikersan> lol 17:23 <@rikersan> that would be cool 17:24 <@rikersan> also do you mind if I steal your trident of poseidon idea and see if I can get chris to add it 17:25 the ideas are fully stealable and I won't even call the intellectual property kops on you 17:25 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25 <@rikersan> oh I feel so relieved 17:25 !tell LarienTelrunya please add "intellectual property Kop" to slex 17:25 Will do, aosdict! 17:26 <@rikersan> also do you keep track of how many YANIs are implemented? 17:26 <@rikersan> cuz I got around to adding aegis and chris did add shepherd's crooks 17:26 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 17:27 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law) killed Elif, on T:55258 17:27 Currently this is not tracked anywhere, the wiki doesn't really offer a good format for it. 17:27 (what if multiple variants implement something? what if vanilla does? what if it's on the personal YANI page that isn't in table form?) 17:28 how long i can be turn into werejackal ? 17:28 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:31773 17:28 Even if they are implemented, they should probably be left up there. 17:28 <@rikersan> you will turn into a wolf occasinoally 17:28 <@rikersan> it's mostly permanent but can be cured 17:28 uniusz: You need to get that cured. ASAP. 17:28 <@rikersan> drink holy water or eat wolfsbane, or pray (with a good timeout) 17:28 jonadab how cure it ? 17:28 ok 17:28 <@rikersan> if you haven't prayed yet do that now 17:29 [hdf-us] [tnnt] cassiopeiastar (Tou Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:4121 17:29 ill never turn again 17:29 or what ? 17:29 <@rikersan> if it's cured you will be restored to human and your lycanthropy will be fixed 17:29 <@rikersan> the condition is very bad and you want it cured quickly 17:29 <@rikersan> as a wolf you can't do relaly anything so 17:29 uniusz: If you feel "purified", then you won't turn into an animal any more. 17:30 (Unless you get lycanthropy *again*, or get polymorphed, or something.) 17:30 <@shadowsapex> taking enough damage will get you out of animal form 17:30 ok 17:30 though not permanently. 17:30 but how this happens ? 17:31 <@rikersan> when you get bit by a weremonster 17:31 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 17:31 Or eat a weremonster corpse. 17:31 oh yea it was, ok thanks guys 17:32 Later in the game, you'll have numerous ways to cure it easily. 17:32 And won't get it anyhow, because you'll have MC3. 17:32 But in the early game it's a real pain. 17:33 jonadab: Also, you know, later in the game werecreatures either don't show up at all or go down in a couple hits, usually at range. 17:34 Sure. 17:34 Though I'm planning to add werebears when I add bears. 17:34 Which is mainly waiting on pixel art. 17:34 ok were hits me again 17:35 ill turn > 17:35 ? 17:35 If you feel "feverish", you got lycanthropy. 17:35 no i not 17:35 Then you're probably ok. 17:35 But kill it. 17:35 (The werecreature, I mean.) 17:35 YES 17:35 yes 17:35 <@shadowsapex> weres can only transmit lycantropy in animal form 17:35 oh okay 17:36 thanks 17:36 Ah, because humans don't have a bite attack, right. 17:36 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:32072 17:38 <@rikersan> jonadab: yasi: humans have a bite attack that inflicts rabies occasionally 17:38 <@rikersan> @Demo yo if I make a necromancer role would you be down to add that to ndnh 17:42 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:32323 17:46 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:32552 17:46 what armor i should enchance as wizard ? 17:47 [hdf-us] [tnnt] theGreatFudd (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:41999 17:47 <@shadowsapex> cloak of mr 17:47 <@Luxidream> !who 17:47 @Luxidream: [hdf-us] oh6 [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] ShivanHunter [tnnt] theGreatFudd [tnnt] Bard [slshm] jim [nh362] woodstea23 [nh362] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh362] uniusz [nh362] jt [gh] | [hdf-au] toaster [nh343] 17:52 shadowspacex which cloack 17:52 of magic resistance or what ? 17:52 oh i see 17:52 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52 this is best cloak for mage shadowspacex ? 17:52 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:32850 17:52 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:32852 17:53 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 17:53 and second question, i should bless it before ill enchance or not ? 17:54 <@Luxidream> uniusz: you can see different scroll effects by blessing on the wiki 17:55 <@Luxidream> then you can decide what the best thing to do is 17:55 okay 17:55 but why it is best cloak for mage ? 17:56 <@Luxidream> you do not want to enchant only the best items, but what will keep you alive 17:57 <@Demo> @rikersan slashem has that 17:57 sure 17:58 <@rikersan> demo: I meant from your idea on the irc yani page 17:58 <@rikersan> like the actually good one 17:58 <@shadowsapex> cloak of magic resistance is the best cloak for almost everybody 17:58 <@rikersan> similar to binders, being able to give minions gems ala spear poitns 18:01 nooooo 18:01 Nooo 18:01 ;( 18:01 damnit, ok going sleep, goodnight players o/ 18:02 -!- uniusz has quit [Quit: uniusz] 18:03 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:07 [hdf-us] [tnnt] theGreatFudd (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:42590 18:09 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 18:09 <@Luxidream> !lastgame jt 18:09 @Luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jt/tnnt/dumplog/1536524174.tnnt.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jt/gh/dumplog/1539533243.gh.txt 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] woodstea23 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3846 18:10 sometimes I wish nethack had a cloak of reflection. I wonder why it isn't in there. 18:11 and an amulet of magic resistance 18:11 and to be fair, a cloak and dragon scales of lifesaving 18:12 <@Theyflower> It would drastically change slot management 18:13 <@Theyflower> Currently only armor can have either of those two in the same slot 18:15 bug_sniper: You're basically saying "Yes, we're wink-wink-nudge-nudging you into making sure you have all three of these things, and you can pick any slot combination of them you like." 18:15 yeah, I guess 18:20 <@Luxidream> splicehack has cloak of reflection 18:20 <@Luxidream> it changes pretty much nothing because of how rare it is 18:22 [hdf-us] [tnnt] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:3743 18:22 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34282 18:23 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34289 18:23 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) had The Marauder's Map bestowed upon her by the storm, on T:3900 18:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:34439 18:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4241 points, T:3776, killed by a plains centaur 18:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34442 18:29 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34542 18:31 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:34567 18:31 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:34568 18:31 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34568 18:36 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 18:39 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:34650 18:42 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 18:43 [hdf-us] [tnnt] theGreatFudd (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:43929 18:44 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:34788 18:44 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:34800 18:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:49 Armor of lifesaving would actually be a more interesting YANI than the other things, because triggering it would leave you more vulnerable than before. 18:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:52 lifesaving is grossly overrated 18:53 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:35473 18:53 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:35552 18:53 HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN 18:56 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:56 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:35839 18:56 apparently at least once more 18:57 :P 19:00 [hdf-us] [tnnt] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 205 points, T:691, killed by a hobbit 19:05 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 259 points, T:552, killed by a sewer rat 19:15 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36709 19:16 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 898 points, T:1895, killed by a bolt of fire 19:20 aw man the Luggage stopped me before I could put an entire ascension kit in there :V 19:21 <@Demo> last i checked u only get to put in 3 19:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:36955 19:25 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36956 19:25 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 230 points, T:205, killed by a gray ooze 19:26 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 19:26 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36986 19:31 no Archons on fire this time :D 19:34 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 19:36 Anyone around who can restore my game? 19:38 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:37269 19:41 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:37327 19:42 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:37346 19:43 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:37359 19:43 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:43 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:37382 19:45 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2727866 points, T:37403, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/ShivanHunter/tnnt/dumplog/1539487419.tnnt.txt 19:45 > the Wizard of Yendor (12 times) 19:45 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 19:47 [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1522 points, T:3106, killed by a wand 19:47 <@Tone> 'grats ShivanHunter 😄 19:49 :D 19:49 now I need some irl % 19:50 lmao ShivanHunter 20:03 <@Luxidream> !who 20:03 @Luxidream: [hdf-us] Bugpowder [tnnt] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 20:03 <@Luxidream> !whereis Bugpowder 20:03 @Luxidream: [hdf-us] Bugpowder [tnnt]: (Pri Elf Mal Cha) T:130 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 20:05 <@Luxidream> !whereis Luxidream 20:05 @Luxidream: [hdf-us] Luxidream [tnnt]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:1045 The Dungeons of Doom level: 6 20:26 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 20:29 4x9 armor shop :D 20:31 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:36 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:47 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Mon Hum Fem Law), 16 points, T:23, killed by a giant spider 21:03 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2963 points, T:2298, killed by a dwarf 21:06 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Val Hum Fem Law), 548 points, T:1605, poisoned by a rotted shrieker corpse 21:12 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled EIRIS SAZUN IDISI on an altar, on T:3538 21:16 [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 482 points, T:2393, killed by a monkey, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:19 can you safely #tip a cursed BoH? 21:19 ShivanHunter: I seriously doubt it 21:22 i think the same thing happens as when you loot it 21:23 (not sure, but that would be quite the workaround) 21:23 yeah, I'm wiztesting and stuff is vanishing 21:23 meh 21:23 nice thinking though ;) 21:30 At least you can get it all out in one go, and maybe you'll prefer jam today 21:33 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:46 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 21:52 it's worth coming back with /oCancel if you find one. I looked up a bones files *after* #tipping one and found I'd missed out on a nice artifact weapon. 21:53 [hdf-us] [tnnt] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5492 21:57 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "Blessed The Holographic Void Lily", on T:6953 21:57 <@Demo> what is that artifact? 22:03 <@rikersan> cartomancer QA 22:03 <@rikersan> 1/2 spell damage, reflection, energy regen when carreid 22:03 <@rikersan> IIRC it also summons thigns when you #invoke it 22:06 I had to try it out 22:07 <@Tone> That's really solid 22:07 <@Tone> not familiar with the other splice arti options though 22:07 <@Luxidream> it's worse compared to PYEC though 22:08 <@Luxidream> imo 22:08 <@Luxidream> AntiGulp should give it a special property 22:08 Even for a non-tourist? 22:08 <@Tone> PYEC doesn't give slotless reflection and energy regen though, does it? 22:08 <@Luxidream> oh, eregen 22:08 <@Luxidream> sorry I don't cast spells so I forgot that was a significant benefit 22:09 <@Tone> yeah if that's another option for energy regen instead of EotA then that's pretty nice 22:09 It is something chaotic worth wishing for. 22:10 <@Luxidream> oh, it is chaotic? 22:10 <@Luxidream> that makes it more interesting 22:10 Is the server grindingly slow for you guys? 22:10 Yeah 22:10 <@Luxidream> I thought it was neu 22:10 Nope 22:10 <@Luxidream> perfect wish for a wizard pretty much 22:11 I never really played a wizard. I always found keeping up with my spellbook timeouts to be tiresome. 22:11 I should probably try... 22:11 <@Tone> regen probably doesn't stack though, I'm guessing 22:12 oh great... just learned that my recently untamed purple worm that followed me into the Black Market can't be retamed. 22:12 <@Tone> stack with the EotA* 22:12 <@Luxidream> yeah that's true 22:12 <@Luxidream> I find it hard to squeeze in artifact wishes into normal gameplay 22:12 <@Luxidream> there's almost always something else I want to wish for first 22:12 <@Tone> slotless reflection is really nice imo 22:13 can I read a cursed scroll of teleport to get out of the black market? 22:13 <@Tone> slotless MR is flawed because there's a chance you still get ToD'd by Rodney with no recourse 22:13 <@Luxidream> no you can't bouquet 22:13 oh boy. So my only recourse is to try and fight? 22:13 <@Tone> although having your reflection stolen from you means you can't wand/finger of death as easily 22:13 <@Luxidream> bouquet: what exactly happened 22:14 I tried to tame my purpple worm in the market and he got upset. 22:14 at least I thought it was mine. 22:14 <@Luxidream> oh, you pissed off sam? 22:14 I guess so. 22:14 <@Luxidream> I hope you're prepared 22:14 I'm far from prepared. 22:15 <@Luxidream> do you have polymorph control 22:15 I have a nice boulder fort, a ring of slow digestions, and s 22:15 a ton of food 22:15 <@Luxidream> an air elemental would be able to outspeed sam 22:16 -!- tacco| has quit [] 22:16 <@Luxidream> I think they can make it through the iron bars too? 22:16 I do have rings of polymorph control 22:16 <@Tone> Can you levelport from that level? 22:16 <@Tone> asking generally because I don't know if it's possible 22:17 <@Luxidream> independent dungeon branch like ludios 22:17 <@Luxidream> if it were that easy, stealing would be a cinch 22:17 <@Tone> ah, interesting 22:17 <@Tone> oh very true 22:17 <@Demo> easy way to kill sam 22:17 <@Tone> could you steal with a branchport arti? 22:17 <@Demo> get some scrolls of flood 22:17 <@Demo> and a wand of cold and fire 22:17 crap, sam wrecked my boulders with a wand of striking and she's right next to me now 22:17 <@Demo> yeah boulder forts arent good for sam 22:18 <@Luxidream> doesn't sam fly? 22:18 <@Demo> but drowning that bitch works great, just gotta do it twice 22:18 <@Luxidream> how can you drown her 22:18 <@Demo> the ho doesnt have wings 22:18 <@Demo> at least not in un 22:18 <@Luxidream> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Black_market_(UnNetHack)#One-eyed_Sam 22:18 <@Luxidream> says that she can fly 22:18 -!- Tempest_nano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:18 <@Demo> hmm 22:18 <@Demo> ok well then i take that back, not in un 22:18 <@Luxidream> didn't you do this in dyna 22:18 <@Demo> no i mean dynagoddamtn 22:18 <@Demo> dyna dyna dyna dyna dyna 22:18 I assume scroll of scare monster doesn't work on her? 22:18 <@Demo> that 22:19 <@Luxidream> lolnope 22:19 <@Demo> sorry im used to slashem one eyed sam 22:19 <@Demo> why the hell can she fly thats mean 22:20 <@Luxidream> did you at least wear the poly control ring yet 22:20 nope. 22:21 I'm afraid to make any move because she's going to wreck my face in 1 hit 22:21 <@Luxidream> she has teleport resistance too right? 22:22 <@Luxidream> if I remember correctly 22:22 resistances: death magic, poison, fire, cold, sleep, electricity, petrification 22:22 according to the wiki 22:22 <@Luxidream> no like the riders 22:22 <@Luxidream> when you teleport a rider they show up next to you instead 22:23 oh, no idea 22:24 oh, apparently she can break boulders, fat lotta good that did me 22:24 can you polymorph unnethack one eyed sam? 22:24 -!- Tempest_nano has joined #hardfought 22:24 <@Luxidream> she has magic resistance from her armor 22:24 <@Luxidream> no 22:25 looks like my steps are 1. get ring from bag, 2. put on poly control ring, 3. zap self to be an E, 4. run 22:25 she'll kill me by step 1 22:25 from what I'm reading 22:26 anyone got a better idea? 22:27 <@Luxidream> not really. that purple worm won't even be able to hit her because of her AC 22:27 <@Luxidream> so conflict won't work 22:27 <@Luxidream> hell, archons have a hard time 22:27 are you perhaps looking at my game? 22:28 <@Luxidream> yeah I pulled it up, why 22:28 I'm backed into a corner with the boulders. 22:28 Even if I change to an E will I be able to push one out of the way in time to escape? 22:29 oh crap, step 1.2 take off slow digestion ring... 22:29 5 steps to run. 22:31 well here goes nothing I guess 22:32 <@Luxidream> you should check her stats 22:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:33 <@Luxidream> looks like she's too busy zapping that striking wand 22:33 <@Luxidream> drain life? wat 22:33 'm not going to survive. 22:33 the shopkeepers are hitting me now 22:34 pushing a boulder takes extra turns right? 22:34 <@Luxidream> well, that's gg I guess 22:34 <@Luxidream> no it doesn't 22:34 I'd have fewer people hitting me if I could move on step away maybe 22:35 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 314197 points, T:62365, killed by One-eyed Sam 22:35 gg 22:36 I guess Sam takes ownership of my pets when they port in. Don't try to convert them back, folks. 22:36 <@Luxidream> now you have to come back and kill her 22:36 <@Luxidream> revenge! 22:37 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:37 that wasn't my best run in Un, but it was on course for a good outcome! 22:38 <@Tone> :/ 22:38 <@Tone> so you can't bring pets there? 22:38 I'm not even sure how I'd kill cthulhu multiple times. I was hoping to quaff a zillion full healing potions. 22:38 no pets in the black market. 22:38 <@Luxidream> you can death ray him 22:38 I was in the one with the shops so my worm made it into the general area. 22:38 <@Luxidream> you can bring pets into the black market via figurin 22:39 <@Luxidream> however, taming fails 22:39 but apparently my worm sounded the alarm when I tried to re-tame it. 22:39 had I known that... 22:39 not only does it fail, it gets you killed! 22:41 well, I'm going to bed. That was fun! 22:45 Anyone else getting lag, or is it my connection? 23:00 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 9032 points, T:8945, killed by a lamassu 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] woodstea23 (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9372 23:43 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 1252 points, T:4945, killed by a hill orc 23:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] woodstea23 (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:9820 23:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] woodstea23 (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:10615 23:59 [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 592 points, T:2131, killed by a rothe