00:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6340 points, T:5239, killed by a crocodile
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00:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5074
00:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8359 points, T:6003, killed by a quasit
00:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 250 points, T:705, killed by a bat
00:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 420 points, T:684, killed by a gnome
01:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 168 points, T:891, killed by a gecko
01:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 54 points, T:168, killed by a goblin
01:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 427 points, T:592, killed by a dwarf
01:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 679 points, T:550, killed by a little dart
01:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Rog Orc Mal Cha) murdered Chomusuke, his faithful kitten, on T:311
01:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 100 points, T:311, caught himself in his own magical blast
01:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1897
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01:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) shouted "where are the stairs!", on T:1866
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02:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1763 points, T:3724, killed by a trickery
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02:13 <bug_sniper> killed by a trickery?
02:13 <bug_sniper> wonder how you managed that
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02:35 <winny> !who
02:35 <Beholder> winny: [hdf-us] ShivanHunter [nh362] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] toaster [nh343]
02:36 <rld> <@Luxidream> !lastgame jankster
02:36 <Beholder> @Luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jankster/un531/dumplog/1539282938.un531.txt.html
03:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8284
03:20 <LarienTelrunya> K2: how often do the tnnt clan pages update themselves, if they do that at all? I've played a few games and am wondering if they will show up ;)
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04:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:13380
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04:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anhur, on T:15298
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04:16 <raisse> The dark potion evaporates.  It suddenly gets dark.
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05:03 <raisse> You feel sick. You die...
05:03 <raisse> "killed by a cadaver"
05:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 117496 points, T:19317, killed by an invisible apprentice, while praying
05:05 <LarienTelrunya> is that the message you get from eating a slightly old corpse that isn't actually so old as to give you food poisoning?
05:08 <raisse> yes, it does slight damage
05:08 <raisse> and if you're (very) low on HP it may kill you
05:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 65 points, T:214, killed by a falling rock
05:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 287 points, T:571, killed by a cave spider
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06:19 <uniusz> hello o/
06:38 <uniusz> !players
06:38 <Beholder> uniusz: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] jt [gh] | [hdf-au] No current players
07:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Kni Hum Mal Law), 523 points, T:1469, killed by a giant bat
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07:59 <K2> !tell LarienTelrunya once per minute
07:59 <Beholder> Will do, K2!
08:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] satori (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 343 points, T:1141, killed by a gas spore's explosion
08:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:27181
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09:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 281 points, T:1001, killed by a gecko
09:24 <K2> !who
09:24 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] samiam [nh362] taylskid [nh362] dgoddard [nh362] jankster [un] arnibald [un] tempest [spl] | [hdf-eu] Phlegh [nh362] docholi [nh362] jt [gh] | [hdf-au] No current players
09:24 <K2> plus 4 tnnt
09:24 <K2> i need to add tnnt
09:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:1795
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09:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 694 points, T:2070, killed by a gnome king
09:31 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder
09:31 -!- livingstone.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ 'The November NetHack Tournament' build is now open for public beta testing, please see the tournament menu for details
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09:31 <K2> !ping
09:31 <Beholder> K2: Pong! 
09:32 <K2> !who
09:32 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] shottyscotty [nh362] taylskid [nh362] dgoddard [nh362] jankster [un] arnibald [un] tempest [spl] | [hdf-eu] Phlegh [nh362] docholi [nh362] jt [gh] | [hdf-au] No current players
09:34 <LarienTelrunya> K2: uhh... https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/clans/3.html doesn't list the games I played? I should have the "killed something with a heavy iron ball" trophy... I played tnnt on the hdf-eu server, in case that matters
09:34 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-10-12 07:59 EDT: once per minute
09:35 <K2> !who
09:35 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] shottyscotty [nh362] hypnotistBlind [nh362] taylskid [nh362] dgoddard [nh362] jankster [un] arnibald [un] tempest [spl] | [hdf-eu] oh6 [tnnt] Raisse [tnnt] rootkit [tnnt] Phlegh [nh362] docholi [nh362] jt [gh] | [hdf-au] No current players
09:35 <K2> there it is
09:35 <K2> LarienTelrunya xlogfiles from eu and au arent synced yet
09:35 <K2> its high on the to-do
09:35 <LarienTelrunya> ahh that explains it
09:35 <LarienTelrunya> thanks!
09:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5784 points, T:2735, killed by a wand
09:40 <uniusz> hello K2 o/ :)
09:41 <LarienTelrunya> ... what the heck did this Gus Van guy do on the wiki, he edited the experience level page and "added" the SLEX experience chart - but it's actually the vanilla chart he posted there! wtf
09:41 <[Demo]> what a nut
09:41 <K2> hi uniusz
09:42 <LarienTelrunya> in vanilla, you need 100000000 exp to reach XL30, in slex you only need 8000000
09:42 <LarienTelrunya> maybe I'll edit the chart later
09:45 <[Demo]> add the dnh chart where u need barely any xp
09:45 <Chris_ANG> It's already there :P
09:46 <LarienTelrunya> okay edited, now it shows the amount you actually need in slex :)
09:46 <LarienTelrunya> it used to be that you'd reach XL30 with just a million exp in slex, but due to the length of the game I had to change the values so that not everyone is XL30 after getting halfway through Gehennom
09:47 <uniusz> btw, projects on github line slex, anybody can change code and it will be accepted if community accept it or developer need to accept that changes ?
09:47 <LarienTelrunya> uniusz: people can make "pull requests", i.e. suggest specific changes to the code, and I can then either accept or decline that request
09:48 <LarienTelrunya> only the developers can make actual changes
09:48 <uniusz> oh
09:48 <LarienTelrunya> and in the case of slex we're currently two people: Elronnd and myself ;)
09:48 <uniusz> somebody tells me that community can accept changes in code
09:48 <uniusz> its not true ?
09:48 <Pinkbeast> uniusz: That question was just answered.
09:49 <LarienTelrunya> the community could make their own fork of a github project and integrate the proposed changes there
09:50 <LarienTelrunya> in fact, there used to be someone who made a fork of slex, and he made changes that I'd never make and which I therefore very definitely didn't pull into slex :P
09:50 <LarienTelrunya> he did so for maybe a year or two and then disappeared, so now his fork is unmaintained
09:50 <[Demo]> How different in dnh monk from vanilla monk?
09:51 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: I wonder if gus van is just trying to say "Notice SLEX! NOTICE IT!!!" on as many pages as possible
09:51 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: hahaha, that sounds like something I'd do... But I'm not him ;)
09:53 <Chris_ANG> Uh, I think you mostly keep getting intrinsics as you level up.  Special crowning gift, too, which is mostly useless bc you can just #name Grandmaster's Robe after you reach grandmaster in martial arts....
09:54 <[Demo]> Really considering basing my mystic role on the monk and removing monk
09:55 <Chris_ANG> Oh right, and you can two-weapon martial arts.
09:55 <Tangles> oh that's not right K2
09:56 <[Demo]> how strong is dnh monk sans premium heart?
09:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] shottyscotty (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed for the first time, on T:7
09:56 <Tangles> you need to put a minimum turncount in sysconf for conduct livelogging.
09:56 <Tangles> otherwise it's going to get real spammy :)
09:57 <K2> hahah
09:57 <K2> ok oops
09:57 <K2> oh right
09:57 <K2> for testing its set for 1
09:57 <[Demo]> Current ideas for mystic role https://pastebin.com/raw/2VLY21iD
09:58 <Tangles> I like that Khamul is back though.
09:59 <Chris_ANG> Diiificult to say.  I'm going to go with "not that strong", unless you somehow have petrification resistance+cooperative silver rings, in which case you can go +4d20 silver damage in gehennom.
10:00 <K2> ok sysconf for tnnt 'fixed'
10:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:48, killed by handling a beartrap
10:00 <PavelB> aosdict: ^
10:01 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: wtf why would you remove the monk instead of adding the mystic as an additional role
10:02 <Chris_ANG> I guess half-dragon monks get 3d12 base damage, which isn't horrible.  Basically, the basic monks are not that great but there are a lot of gimmicks you can do.
10:02 <[Demo]> yeah if you get a spirit involved too...
10:02 <[Demo]> its like a less good binder
10:02 <LarienTelrunya> oh by the way, one of my dnhslex players wants techniques and SLASH'EM roles :D Chris_ANG: any chance to have that happen?
10:03 <[Demo]> LarienTelrunya: I don't need redundant roles this isnt slex :P
10:03 <Chris_ANG> I've looked at techniques a couple of times but I'm not that jazzed about them.
10:03 <LarienTelrunya> aww, but techniques are lovely and very wing-tufted!
10:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 1181 points, T:4561, died of starvation, while fainted
10:09 <[Demo]> grr, init map doesnt want to fill with ice
10:10 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, that looks a lot like a more-divergent monk.
10:11 <[Demo]> its like a less boring monk
10:11 <Chris_ANG> Also, #style is intended for use with all fighting styles.  It's just that only lightsabers have them currently.
10:11 <Chris_ANG> (rather than #monster)
10:11 <[Demo]> i was gonna put it on #style but I wasn't so sure about it
10:12 <LarienTelrunya> slex will allow the player to #monster to switch between bare-handed combat and martial arts in the next version ;)
10:12 <[Demo]> And thats good cause at some point im gonna run out of space on #monster
10:12 <[Demo]> oh I forgot my final idea, at some point you unlock some sort of energy form
10:16 * Chris_ANG has just noticed he has like 10 functions that all wake monsters up due to loud noises
10:17 <K2> loud noises!
10:17 <Chris_ANG> lol
10:17 <K2> I love lamp
10:17 <K2> :P
10:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 726 points, T:1221, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a potion
10:18 <LarienTelrunya> if there was an artifact lamp called "I Love Lamp", what attributes would it have?
10:19 <PavelB> Is this a möth meme or..?
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10:20 <mlarkinEF> demonstration
10:20 <mlarkinEF> i never pay attention to it
10:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 105 points, T:1914, killed by a small mimic
10:21 <jilles> LarienTelrunya, everburning, extrinsic telepathy and aggravate monster
10:21 <LarienTelrunya> heh
10:22 <[Demo]> yo amy how much have you butchered slashems level compiler?
10:22 <LarienTelrunya> uhh not that much, just enough to make it compile my new terrain types
10:22 <K2> so a lot
10:22 <K2> ;)
10:23 <[Demo]> yo i wanna init_map with ice but it just makes corridors and it makes me sad
10:23 <[Demo]> have you dealt with similar issues?
10:24 <LarienTelrunya> IIRC yes, not sure how I fixed that but I did fix it in the end
10:24 <[Demo]> well damn lol
10:24 <LarienTelrunya> maybe you find it by browsing the history on files in slex's /util folder
10:25 <[Demo]> yeah thats what im trying to do
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10:27 <K2> why do i feel like mlarkinEF was one of those spam bots
10:28 <Chris_ANG> [Demo]: I'm pretty sure filling a level with ice should already work?
10:29 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, Kostchtchie's level depends on it.
10:29 <Chris_ANG> Are you trying to make a MAZE of ice?
10:30 <K2> mazeice
10:30 <K2> icemaze
10:30 <K2> maze, ice
10:30 <K2> 1 each
10:30 <[Demo]> correct
10:30 <[Demo]> turns out i had a copy and paste issue
10:30 <[Demo]> was still loading minefill, not icefill :P oops
10:31 <K2> heh
10:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:46368
10:33 <[Demo]> hmm I wonder why only corridor is allowed for joined maps
10:35 <[Demo]> alright i ghettod it into working but at what cost
10:38 <Chris_ANG> Joined maps?
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10:39 <Snipaoz> hello, I'm using 18.04 desktop. I'm used to etckeeper when using other distros. With Ubuntu, is it normal that I see differences in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants even without installing packages? It seems a simple reboot creates a lot of noise there
10:39 <Snipaoz> the split confused me
10:40 <Snipaoz> It's unlikely you'll be able to connect one valve directly to the other, so a short bit of pipe will be required
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10:40 <K2> dammit they are back
10:42 <aosdict> that's odd because the first line seems like a legit systemd question but then the next lines make no sens
10:42 <K2> right
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10:44 <[Demo]> init_map with joined set as true
10:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 809 points, T:1801, killed by an iguana
10:47 <[Demo]> alright yeah so joined ice levels sometimes get stuck in an infinite loop while generating if you force allowing it and do it anyway
10:48 <aosdict> [Demo]: if you are somehow writing ROOM tiles into x=0, that can cause an infinite loop
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10:51 <[Demo]> my guess is the join map function is looking for ROOM tiles and when it cant find them doesnt ever end
10:51 <aosdict> that too
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10:51 <Chris_ANG> Oooh. flood_fill_rm, I think.
10:52 <aosdict> then again this is 3.4.3 code, I only helped fix these bugs in 3.6.1
10:52 <Chris_ANG> Previous experience suggests that only works with ROOM tiles.
10:52 <[Demo]> yes i found it there
10:53 <[Demo]> there is a while loop that checks IS_ROOM
10:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:47772
10:54 <[Demo]> no cigar
10:55 <Chris_ANG> I have to check all my .des files.
10:56 <Chris_ANG> I assume that I have avoided triggering this bug, since you noticed it pretty quick,
10:56 <Chris_ANG> but if I did it was by accident.
10:57 <[Demo]> Oh its not a bug, you arent supposed to be able to make joined maps with any foreground but ROOM
10:57 <[Demo]> and when you override that you win stupid prizes
10:58 <[Demo]> it definitely makes it past the flood fill
10:58 <Chris_ANG> Actually, it also seems to work in the Pirate quest with #?
10:59 <Chris_ANG> I'm surprised, because flood filling # rooms didn't seem to work in the Neutral quest :/
11:01 <[Demo]> it seems like im stuck in a for loop a bunch either that or the join_map function keeps getting called which I don't know is the case
11:03 <Chris_ANG> Set a breakpoint with gdb?
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11:14 <[Demo]> I have fun plines so i know whats going on now
11:22 <[Demo]> alright stepping through it with a breakpoint is yielding output that doesnt make sense behaviorly
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11:32 <bug_sniper> !lotg oh6
11:32 <Beholder> May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, oh6!
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11:33 <ltomasboaB> that's strange
11:33 <ltomasboaB> my stock photos have made...
11:34 <ltomasboaB> (not necessariyl strict, though)
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11:36 <aosdict> so the new wave of spammers is... spamming random messages?
11:37 <PavelB> aosdict: I'm guessing it's using fragments of actual conversation in order to not trip Sigyn.
11:37 <aosdict> but what's the point
11:37 <aosdict> just making freenode crappier? is that what they've resorted to?
11:37 <PavelB> To annoy people
11:38 <PavelB> What was the point of any of the spam that came before?
11:39 <aosdict> first it was personal attacks on freenode admins
11:39 <aosdict> then it was just vulgar ascii art
11:39 <PavelB> Right. What's the point of ascii art or "allah is doing".
11:40 <raisse> oh are they spamming about allah again?
11:40 <raisse> it's a cycle
11:40 <aosdict> raisse: not yet
11:40 <raisse> they'll get round to attacks on admins soon enough
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11:55 <bouquet> freenode needs more Crom spam.
11:56 <PavelB> Crom?
11:57 <K2> conan the barbarians god
11:57 <K2> Crom
11:58 <PavelB> I was thinking of Chrom, the Fire Emblem character
11:59 <K2> bouquet - hdf-au is now ipv6 too
11:59 <K2> \o/
11:59 <bouquet> ___/\____\o/___ oh noes a shark!
11:59 <K2> hahaha
12:00 <bouquet> My RD6 gateway barfed for a week last week.  I had to use ipv4 like a common plebe.
12:00 <K2> pfft
12:00 <bouquet> so pedestrian...
12:00 <K2> you must have felt dirty
12:00 <K2> just... eww
12:00 <bouquet> took all day to wash the v4 packets out of my internet tubes.
12:00 <PavelB> Is there any actual disatvantage to using ipv4
12:00 <K2> no
12:01 <K2> but, we ran out of new public ipv4 addresses a few years ago
12:01 <bouquet> just NAT which is evil and introduces some latency that could be avoided.
12:02 <PavelB> I've always wondered why they're called ipv4 and ipv6. Was there an ipv2? What happened to ipv5?
12:02 <bouquet> with ipv6 we don't need to NAT networks.
12:02 <bouquet> ipv5 was a streaming protocol that got dumped.
12:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 28 points, T:48, killed by a kobold zombie
12:03 <K2> 2^128 number of usable ip addresses vs 2^32
12:03 <[Demo]> thank god for backtraces
12:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:5
12:04 <K2> hah
12:04 <K2> pet murderer!
12:05 <PavelB> If we ran out of public ipv4 addresses a few years ago, and hdf-au was created less than a year ago, how did hdf-au have an ipv4 address? :thinking:
12:05 <bouquet> 2^128 - otherwise known as A Brazillian
12:05 <K2> PavelB addresses do get recycled
12:05 <bouquet> there's plenty of ipv4 addresses, they're not all in use.
12:05 <K2> pfft
12:05 <bouquet> ya, and they get recycled.
12:05 <PavelB> So we're actually still fine for a while
12:05 <K2> yup
12:06 <bouquet> but ipv6 is soooooooo much easier when building networks.
12:07 <[Demo]> cant recall if ive posted this here but a useful tool for ipv6 network engineers https://www.ipv6buddy.com/
12:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3264
12:07 <winny> todo: actually set up a ipv6 only network lab
12:07 <winny> i think i'd learn a lot more than the basics i know
12:07 <K2> each person on the planet could have their own personal group of ipv6 addresses that dwarfs the total number of existing ipv4 addresses
12:07 <bouquet> if I have to spin up 10k nodes so K2 can run a simulation of why I YASD, there's no way I'd build that with ipv4.  I can get a nice contiguous block of addresses in v6.
12:08 <K2> heh
12:08 <winny> https://blog.he.net/2010/05/28/hurricane-electric-would-like-to-send-you-a-free-t-shirt/ btw free ipv6 tshirt, just have to do some really easy multiple choice questions :)
12:08 <bouquet> ya he.net is ahead of the game
12:08 <oh6> hah, I lost my connection to hdf-eu in the middle of reviewing my ascended tnnt game
12:08 <winny> I'm wearing mine right now!
12:08 <bouquet> I'm jelly
12:09 <bouquet> [Demo]: omg that's brilliant!
12:09 <K2> hah
12:09 <K2> want
12:09 <PavelB> I'm not a sysadmin but I do appreciate free t-shirts
12:09 <K2> oh6 oh crap
12:09 <K2> lemme look
12:10 <K2> oh6 - so you ascended but it didnt finish because you were looking through endgame data and lost connection
12:11 <oh6> right
12:11 <K2> no game files...
12:11 <K2> but there is a save
12:11 <oh6> I got something about not being able to gracefully finish, should I force termination
12:11 <K2> from a few min ago
12:11 <K2> no wait
12:12 <bouquet> bought some ipv6buddies for our network engineers. They'll either die laughing or actually use them.
12:12 <K2> oh6 ok try and reload game
12:12 <K2> its from a few min ago
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12:13 <azyyX> diverdude: ... that's a .tgz
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12:13 <azyyX> I finally found a book on C I could recommend to people learning.
12:13 <PraematurarF> and I don't mean that uny leftist shit
12:13 <oh6> OK then
12:13 <PraematurarF> Maybe it's because there is no actual installation
12:13 <PraematurarF> or taken away by the police and executed...
12:13 <PraematurarF> i0racle: you're almost schizophrenic enough to troll #osdev 
12:14 <aosdict> kick plz
12:14 <oh6> still getting: Couldn't terminate one of your stale tnnt processes gracefully.
12:14 <oh6>  Force its termination? [yn]
12:14 <aosdict> bouquet: What happened to ipv5?
12:14 <aosdict> hmm... what happened to NetHack 3.5 too... conspiracy theories, go!
12:14 <PavelB> aosdict: Increase in bandwidth made it possible to use ipv4 for streaming, making it obsolete before it was ever finalized.
12:15 <K2> hit yes
12:15 <oh6> ok, will try that
12:15 <oh6> (have to retry- I accidentally escaped out)
12:16 <aosdict> PavelB: boo that's not an exciting conspiracy theory
12:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:50317
12:17 <K2> \o/
12:17 <bouquet> aosdict: my understanding is it was rendered irrelevant by greater availability to high bandwidth connections.  It was supposed to prioritize streaming traffic or something, but that became irrelevant when we all got 20M connections at home back in the 00's
12:18 <[Demo]> wow a tnnt winner
12:18 <K2> #3
12:18 <aosdict> oh I thought he was playing fiqhack
12:18 <bouquet> it wasn't a very serious attempt at solving network problems.  Work on the foundation of ipv6 was already underway.
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12:18 <K2> i ran out of colors
12:18 <aosdict> K2: 256color in irc when :P
12:19 <oh6> ok, back to crashing that hdf-us tnnt game
12:19 <rld> <@Tone> grats oh6 😄
12:19 <oh6> thanks @Tone
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12:21 <PavelB> I'm trying to get a free tshirt and don't know ipv6, can someone help me with "How many /64 subnets are available in a /48 prefix?"
12:21 <K2> a googol
12:21 <PavelB> Options include
12:21 <PavelB>  256
12:21 <PavelB>  18,446,744,073,709,551,616
12:21 <PavelB>  340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456
12:21 <PavelB>  65536
12:21 <K2> #2
12:21 <K2> seriously
12:22 <K2> #3 is total number of ipv6 addresses
12:22 <PavelB> Thanks
12:22 <winny> visiting parents this weeknd, their new house has a ridiculous network setup. I might try tethering my phone because it *might* be lower latency to play nethack online (seriously). WiFi is extended over two wireless repeaters in addition to the router/modem
12:22 * K2 wonders if aosdict noticed that I said 'googol' correctly
12:22 <aosdict> yes
12:22 <K2> :P
12:22 <winny> they have 300 kilobit down  too :c
12:23 <PavelB> How many available IPv6 addresses are there in a /64 allocation?
12:23 <PavelB>  65536
12:23 <PavelB>  18,446,744,073,709,551,616
12:23 <PavelB>  4,294,967,296
12:23 <PavelB>  2^128
12:23 <winny> feels like 2002 all over
12:23 <K2> winny i've used my cell as a hotspot before and got surprisingly good pings to hdf-us
12:23 <winny> this is in the country so it might be only 3G
12:23 <winny> before i got internet in milwaukee i tethered my phone, and was able to play battlefield 4 just fine
12:24 <winny> ~40-60ms average pings
12:24 <oh6> OK, there now appears to be a permanent poison gas cloud at the ludios entrance in this tnnt game
12:24 <K2> doh
12:24 <oh6> I'll try saving and reloading
12:24 <K2> hold your breath
12:24 <winny> breathe deep!
12:24 <oh6> yep, still there
12:25 <oh6> at least it didn't crash this time!
12:25 <K2> wewt
12:26 <[Demo]> ok so after 1 and a half? hours of debugging i finally found the issue wow i suck
12:26 <oh6> OK, throne room monsters aren't dumb enough to walk into a poison cloud, which gives me a sanctuary of sorts
12:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1
12:26 <K2> welcome to IT support
12:28 <aosdict> [Demo]: That's fairly normal for a bug in unfamiliar nethack code
12:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:24333
12:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1196 points, T:3499, killed by a giant bat
12:29 <[Demo]> oh cool and my fix breaks everything else yeehaw
12:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2
12:30 <[Demo]> anyway turned out to be a find_branch_room issue
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12:34 <PavelB> Nethack logic: If you dye glass it becomes shatterproof
12:34 <PavelB> As shown by the fact that you can kick worthless pieces of glass without breaking them
12:35 <K2> hmm
12:35 <aosdict> that's there for an anti-cheesing-exploit reason
12:35 <K2> hardfought turns 18 in 10 days
12:35 <aosdict> if they were shatterable, you could stick a gem in an empty box and kick the box till it broke, and then you would know it was glass
12:35 <PavelB> Planning on celebrating?
12:36 <K2> yes
12:36 <K2> copious amounts of alcohol
12:36 <aosdict> or just name a bunch of gems "glass", stick them ALL in an empty box, and kick it repeatedly, then remove the "glass" name from the ones left over
12:37 <[Demo]> god im afraid to say my fix works
12:37 <aosdict> best way to id gems but esoteric and tedious, so I'm not sad to see it go
12:37 <aosdict> (The corresponding EPI is that *any* gem will shatter and disappear when thrown or in a kicked box)
12:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1190 points, T:2571, quit
12:39 <winny> aosdict: damn, that's actually pretty clever
12:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1726
12:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1291 points, T:1793, killed by an orc mummy, while reading a book
12:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3568 points, T:1813, killed by a lynx
12:57 <K2> !lastgame tnnt
12:57 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Karnac/tnnt/dumplog/1539360351.tnnt.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/tnnt/dumplog/1538968668.tnnt.txt
12:57 <K2> ah he fixed the errors in his cfg finally
12:59 <Chris_ANG> I keep misreading that as tmnt
12:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1213 points, T:2378, killed by an acidic glob
13:00 <aosdict> Chris_ANG: that's where clan Teenage NetHack Ninja Turtles comes in ;)
13:01 <Chris_ANG> He
13:01 <Chris_ANG> *Heh :)
13:03 * aosdict reads that as Chris_ANG momentarily coughing in the middle of a laugh
13:05 <K2> :)
13:05 <bouquet> in UnNethack, if I see a D use it's breathweapon, does that identify the quality of their scales *in-game* or should I make a note elsewhere?
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13:06 <K2> in game
13:06 <bouquet> is it listed in discoveries or anywhere I can review?
13:06 <K2> i think so yeah
13:07 <bhaak> yes, it does
13:08 <bouquet> ah, so it does. Under "armor".  I was looking for a "Dragons" section
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13:10 <bhaak> hmm, that's actually a good idea
13:12 <K2> html dumplogs for 3.6.x is also a good idea bhaak!
13:12 <K2> hurry
13:12 <K2> up
13:12 <K2> :P
13:19 <jonadab> HTML dumplogs is a good idea, but not trivial to A) implement and B) get past a review committee.
13:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2202 points, T:3010, killed by a barrow wight
13:19 <jonadab> For technical reasons.
13:22 <[Demo]> yey i have power again so i can leave my outpost
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13:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayers dungeon wide on T:21148
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13:37 <Iridos> dorp: true, but not all things that have static duration are declared static
13:37 <Iridos> WEP isnt secure anyway
13:37 <Iridos> tell him to get something else
13:37 <Iridos> if you *
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13:37 <Iridos> dgp: I'd hope so since you're typing english :)
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13:37 <Iridos> they just keep running and running
13:38 * aosdict hands K2 a pair of kicking boots
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13:38 <bouquet> I guess the spammers are phishing for active users or something?
13:39 <K2> yeah
13:39 <K2> i really dont want to +q the channel again
13:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:37998
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13:45 <bhaak> K2: I don't know how to HTML dumplogs with the new dumplog facility in 3.6. well, not entirely true. I don't know how to do both HTML and ASCII dumplogs at the same time with the new dumplog facility in 3.6. patches welcome! :-}
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13:48 <K2> but
13:48 <K2> but...
13:48 <K2> you're dev team ;)
13:49 <K2> and this is all beyond my skill. i tried once to import html dumplogs from unnethack to grunthack and almost had a brain aneurysm
13:51 <K2> (yes, I had to look up how to spell 'aneurysm')
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13:51 <shafox> xavierg: you can read all about it after I die.
13:51 <bhaak> :-D
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13:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:38929
13:52 <bhaak> K2: I'm DevTeam but that only means, I think of everything. not that I'll program everything :-)
13:52 <aosdict> a pretty easy Sigyn target would be if someone joins a channel and starts name-dropping people who aren't and have never been in that channel
13:52 <K2> my world doesnt make sense anymore
13:52 <rld> <@Tone> ha :D
13:53 <K2> aosdict: bad idea for new tournament about to start
13:53 <K2> already have had legit newcomers join and talk
13:54 <aosdict> K2: A legit newcomer wouldn't join the channel and try to send a message to "xavierg" which nick has never been in hardfought
13:55 <K2> to do it right - you cant join a channel until you register a nick, and the email you get from freenode to finish that process is manually handled by the admins
13:55 <K2> but thats not going to happen
13:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) wished for "the holy greased fireproof historic amulet of reflection", on T:50934
13:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39712
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14:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3941 points, T:1812, killed by a sasquatch
14:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6 points, T:61, killed by a water moccasin
14:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 382 points, T:907, killed by a bolt of lightning
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14:12 <hf_guest_43308> so i heard this is the most hardcore roughest group of e-thugs on the internet
14:12 <K2> perhaps
14:12 <hf_guest_43308> im here to throw a glove down and challenge whoevers bold enough to a game
14:13 <K2> thermonuclear war?
14:13 <hf_guest_43308> naw thats kid stuff think a lil higher slugger
14:13 <K2> heh... slugger
14:13 <K2> you pick
14:13 <hf_guest_43308> fortnite
14:13 <hf_guest_43308> 1v1
14:13 <hf_guest_43308> obs
14:13 <hf_guest_43308> no food no prayer
14:13 <hf_guest_43308> phats only
14:13 <hf_guest_43308> dab off
14:14 <hf_guest_43308> and if u even build a single piece of wood i will delete your face through the internet
14:14 <K2> twister
14:14 <K2> take it or leave it
14:14 <hf_guest_43308> right hand red
14:14 <K2> *naked* twister
14:14 <hf_guest_43308> shit thats pretty hardcore
14:14 <K2> w/ peanut butter
14:14 <hf_guest_43308> but i got it even harder
14:14 <hf_guest_43308> skinless twister
14:14 <hf_guest_43308> for halloween
14:14 <K2> pfft
14:15 <hf_guest_43308> with lemon and salt
14:15 <hf_guest_43308> thats right u know u scared
14:15 <K2> ;)
14:15 <hf_guest_43308> i bet u dont even know what YoHRa stands for
14:16 <K2> difference between naked and skinless
14:16 <K2> what is it
14:16 <hf_guest_43308> one is SANS (from undertale) clothes, the other is Boneless
14:16 <hf_guest_43308> *dabs on ur life*
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14:17 <K2> weird AI
14:17 <K2> heh
14:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 167 points, T:574, killed by an arrow
14:17 <bouquet> that was enlightening
14:19 <bouquet> K2: did you invite that bot or was it totally random?
14:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:40823
14:19 <K2> so now I want to play naked twister
14:20 <K2> bouquet: totally random
14:20 <aosdict> K2: what just happened
14:20 <K2> that was through the web irc page i have on hdf website
14:20 <bouquet> I'm going to steal "dabs on ur life".
14:20 <K2> aosdict: something... wonderful
14:20 <bouquet> sounds hard core
14:20 <K2> 2001 space odyssey!
14:21 <rld> <@Luxidream> Is sand in slex yet
14:21 <rld> <@Luxidream> sans
14:21 <bouquet> David Bowie: Space Oddity
14:21 <K2> now it WILL be thanks @Luxidream
14:21 <nooodle> is there any more disgusting sight within the nethack universe than someone using an amulet of magical breathing to eat dozens of giants in an orgy of eating and vomit
14:21 <K2> fyi fastest realtime asc is now tracked as trophy in tnnt
14:21 <rld> <@Luxidream> awesome
14:22 <K2> two fitty points
14:22 <bouquet> well, yesterday I proposed a tnnt achievement "died with the amulet while naked on the high altar by choking on wumpus corpse"
14:22 <bouquet> but aosdict said it wasn't in the spirit of the tourney
14:22 <K2> switch wumpus to woodchuck
14:23 <K2> named carl
14:24 <nooodle> bouquet, that's an awesome idea though, in general, i like the idea of there being a trophy for just a truly ridiculous and specific set of circumstances
14:26 <rld> <@Tone> K2:  ha, I saw you got down voted on reddit for recommending someone to wish for that with their extra wand of wishing 😄
14:27 <[Demo]> I dont think that was AI
14:27 <K2> lol
14:27 <[Demo]> Like im pretty sure that wasnt AI
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14:29 <rld> <@Tone> just looked like a troll to me
14:29 <K2> i think it was AI
14:29 <K2> rapid fire bizarre responses
14:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Ran Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4409
14:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1088 points, T:2157, killed by a warg
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14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7616 points, T:5180, killed by a plains centaur
14:40 <nooodle> yum, want those wizbones
14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2332 points, T:4558, killed by a hobbit
14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Chromatic Dragon, on T:54476
14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:54482
14:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 97 points, T:312, killed by a jackal
14:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 192 points, T:563, killed by a boulder
14:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 100 points, T:80, killed by a gnome lord
14:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4967
15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 115 points, T:1017, killed by a kobold
15:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 564 points, T:1170, killed by a mind flayer
15:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 2885 points, T:6346, killed by a giant beetle
15:08 <rld> <@mtf> @Tone this is completely random, but I just want to mention that I think you have the best profile pic in the server... there's something extremely satisfying about how that knob fits perfectly with the little circle discord gives you to present an image
15:10 <K2> man-crush
15:11 <K2> @mtf i saw him first!
15:11 <rld> <@mtf> lel
15:11 <rld> <@mtf> you can't even see his profile pic!
15:11 <K2> i dont have to
15:11 <K2> i just know
15:12 <rld> <@mtf> It's epicness transcends time and space... and IRC, apparently
15:12 <K2> so dreamy
15:18 <rld> <@Tone> @mtf haha thanks 😄
15:20 <jonadab> Hmm, did I ever bother to set a profile pic?  I have a self-portrait image somewhere that would probably work...
15:20 <rld> <@mtf> you have a discord account jona?
15:20 <jonadab> Although it wouldn't show in this channel anyway.
15:20 <rld> <@mtf> ... you actuall'y have three 0.o
15:21 <jonadab> @mtf Yes, I use Bitlbee to access Discord channels that aren't bridged to Freenode.
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15:21 <rld> <@mtf> gotcha
15:21 <jonadab> Mostly the NewGamePlus podcast stuff.
15:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 801 points, T:2285, killed by a giant ant
15:21 <jonadab> And I think one RLDiscord channel.  Angband maybe.
15:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3414
15:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:4691
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15:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:30756
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15:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:40355
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15:35 <uniusz> !who
15:35 <Beholder> uniusz: [hdf-us] SL3XM3 [tnnt] oh6 [tnnt] Chansu [tnnt] k2 [tnnt] Eleven [tnnt] Bard [slshm] ShivanHunter [nh362] u42586 [nh362] dgoddard [nh362] hypnotistBlind [nh362] Delraven [un] zsebastian [fh] | [hdf-eu] rootkit [tnnt] jt [gh] | [hdf-au] No current players
15:36 <uniusz> wow, many players ;i
15:36 <uniusz> ;o
15:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] sebe (zsebastian) (Tou Gno Fem Neu), 9657 points, T:262, killed by a jackal
15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 shield of reflection", on T:7282
15:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7509 points, T:6261, killed by a soldier ant
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15:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4228
15:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] SL3XM3 (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 3040 points, T:3237, killed by a white unicorn
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16:02 <[Demo]> what are some of the big midgame problems?
16:03 <[Demo]> err challenges for the player
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16:04 <K2> havent found good armor or a decent weapon yet
16:04 <K2> isnt high enough level to do the quest
16:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3470
16:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:3608
16:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:5292
16:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:33139
16:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:38251
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16:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) wished for "the uncursed greased magic marker", on T:57104
16:18 <Guest54789> rafasc, Yes it said the file was deleted in the branch I was merging from, but updated in the branch I am merging to
16:18 <Guest54789> it's not like he should avoid a portion of the usual learning, i'd think it's all the same learning curve.
16:19 <Guest54789> these guys are monkeys
16:19 <Guest54789> Kremator: It's God's gift to man, as far as I can tell
16:19 <Guest54789> rmbeer: "handle"?
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16:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3031 points, T:3867, killed by an orcish arrow
16:25 <bouquet> I think it's time to disable the webirc client
16:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed magic marker", on T:27041
16:27 <K2> Guest54789 wasnt the hdf irc client
16:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:57367
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16:28 <hf_guest_83096> this is though
16:28 <hf_guest_83096> notice the ip address
16:28 <bhaak> jonadab: you're the second person I've ever seen argue that rogue is not a roguelike
16:29 <hf_guest_83096> ipv6 ending in 6b0b is a web irc connection coming from the hdf web irc client
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16:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2098 points, T:3708, killed by a dwarf
16:41 <bouquet> "The tengu reads a blessed scroll of teleportation!"
16:41 <bouquet> Y tho?
16:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:27335
16:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27336
16:42 <hothraxxa> so you can't have it
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16:49 <bouquet> greedy little i
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17:01 <raisse> yay beholder!
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17:01 <K2> \o/
17:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:59901
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17:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Abitibi on T:31303
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17:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] new value for name rejected (Luxidream) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 57042 points, T:9558, killed by a panther
17:15 <raisse> someone find my bones please
17:15 <raisse> minetown, giant beetle
17:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2268 points, T:5399, killed by a rothe
17:24 <[Demo]> oh yikes, i have a rare bug where my staircase wont place uh oh
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17:28 <Chris_ANG> :(
17:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:29274
17:29 <Chris_ANG> While you're in there, could you figure out why Dagon's maze doesn't generate like 1 time in 20?
17:29 <Chris_ANG> ;)
17:30 <[Demo]> Ah no it turns out I was being dumb and not giving the stairs a wide enough region to generate in incase the trees or stone filled in its sliver of a possible region
17:31 <[Demo]> god the last thing i want to do is investigate the maze filling code
17:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2434 points, T:2449, quit
17:32 <Chris_ANG> And that is why Dagon's level has sometimes been a set of deep-sea rock pillars for the last like 11 years.
17:33 <Chris_ANG> (I actually have no idea how old dagon's level is, but it's probably pushing that age :/)
17:34 <[Demo]> Are you just using the function wrong or something? like if you give it a different cardinal dirrection will it not break occasioanlly?
17:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10243
17:35 <Chris_ANG> I think it always uses the same cardinal direction and the same map.  So I don't know what's wrong with it.
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17:35 <[Demo]> but like if you try a different one maybe itll work?
17:36 <bouquet> raisse: could you wish up a blindfold for me? Level 14 and the only eye covering I've found was a mimic.
17:37 <Chris_ANG> The map is very specific in terms of where the mazes have to start, and in what direction they need to go.
17:38 <[Demo]> yeah i dont understand how the direction of a mazewalk works
17:38 <Chris_ANG> It's the direction it takes its first step in.
17:39 <Chris_ANG> Mazewalk works by chewing through a grid of rock tiles
17:40 <Chris_ANG> This one would result in a maze through trees, for example:
17:40 <Chris_ANG> TTTTTT
17:40 <Chris_ANG> T TT T
17:40 <Chris_ANG> TTTTTT
17:40 <Chris_ANG> T TT T
17:40 <Chris_ANG> TTTTTT
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17:41 <rld> <@Luxidream> T_T T_T
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17:43 <uniusz> why version 1.3 is available on server?
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17:45 <phda> right, i'm familiar with the concept from the data pipelines i've written
17:45 <phda> do be careful
17:45 <phda> Shmam: are you using netplan to configure the interfaces?
17:46 <rld> <@ChrisANG> Grumble grumble spam filter grumble.
17:47 <[Demo]> grr
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17:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 714 points, T:1229, killed by a dwarf
17:54 <[Demo]> man a dlvl 4 ice branch seems like a bad idea
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17:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Kos, on T:34554
18:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] theGreatFudd (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:34641
18:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:63446
18:06 <rld> <@ChrisANG> Hm.  YANI: Monks (and others?) have a magical-martial-arts system that works similarly to the (original) Bard system, where learning spells also teaches you other abilities.
18:06 <rld> <@ChrisANG> (The alternative is to introduce a zillion "Martial Arts Manuals" that teach them)
18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:63473
18:07 <rld> <@ChrisANG> (Similar to how the alternative for Bardic Music is to introduce a bunch of Songbooks, which I don't think any of the current adopters have opted for)
18:07 <[Demo]> sounds like a wizard but slightly different
18:08 <bouquet> ChrisANG: how about updating and improving the Slash'em monk technique system?
18:08 <[Demo]> after i get the village patch finished im gonna do the mystic patch
18:09 <rld> <@ChrisANG> The Monks are indeed the only place where the technique system seems good.
18:09 <[Demo]> village patch is actually going well right now i think, should have all the big kinks worked out and just need to add new branches for it that fit within the created framework
18:09 <rld> <@ChrisANG> Which I guess makes sense, historically, right?
18:09 <bouquet> The only other technique I found useful was for gnomes to "upgrade" items.  There may have been more I hadn't explored.
18:10 <rld> <@ChrisANG> (I think the history is that the Monk originated in SLASH'EM and was designed around the technique system, which was not ported to NetHack when Monk was)
18:10 <[Demo]> i wonder why mkportal doesnt return a trap struct
18:10 <bouquet> Monk could definitely use some class defining stuff.
18:11 <bouquet> Traditionally, martial arts grand master monks are portrayed as having some magical attack/defense capabilities.
18:12 <rld> <@ChrisANG> Did Amy port the technique system to 3.4?
18:12 <rld> <@ChrisANG> She must of, right?
18:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:63546
18:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:63547
18:13 <uniusz> why version 1.3 is available on server?
18:13 <bouquet> phasing, insta-kill combo punch, enhanced fighting capabilities while drunk/confused, flipping out and killing stuff.
18:14 <bouquet> uniusz: why not?
18:14 <[Demo]> phasing in nethack is such a problem
18:14 <[Demo]> its such a strong thing to just hand out
18:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:63641
18:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotistBlind (Cav Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:63643
18:15 <bouquet> at the very least, they should get a sizeable to hit and damage bonus when drunk.
18:15 <bouquet> makes those booze potions more valuable
18:16 <[Demo]> i would never bother implementing that
18:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12770
18:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3702
18:21 <rld> <@ChrisANG> I already implemented that
18:22 <rld> <@ChrisANG> 😉
18:22 <rld> <@ChrisANG> (I don't think it's actually all that sizable)
18:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:35089
18:23 <rld> <@ChrisANG> (Yeah, it's actually a small bonus to AC)
18:24 <aosdict> K2: For a minute reading the backscroll I thought that spammers were targeting #hardfought directly. Why else would they be talking about ipv6?
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18:25 <aosdict> bouquet: ugh monks are the exception or special role in so many things already, do we really need to be giving them and only them techniques?
18:25 <bouquet> They also need more footwear options.
18:25 <[Demo]> yeah i dont know why you wasted your time with the whole dnh booze patches
18:27 <rld> <@ChrisANG> I needed them for Naberius's binding condition, and while I was messing with it I added a few other effects too.
18:28 <aosdict> Booze granting an AC bonus seems counterintuitive, wouldn't it make your reaction time worse and thus your ability to dodge would stink?
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18:28 <rld> <@ChrisANG> Drunken boxing is a genre thing.
18:29 <rld> <@ChrisANG> And yeah, you don't do it in real life for obvious reasons XD
18:29 <rld> <@ChrisANG> (Though I gather you might practice how to pretend you're drunk so that you can catch people off-guard)
18:31 <aosdict> Well, just saying that it granting a damage bonus seems more flavorful than anything else. To-hit and AC ought to be worse when you're drunk.
18:31 <rld> <@Demo> today's been a highly productive day for ndnh, but not much else
18:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5303
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18:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:15768
18:35 <bouquet> aosdict: I'm referencing the Jackie Chan film "Drunken Master".  He gets trashed on methanol and defeats the bad guys in spectacular manner.
18:36 <rld> <@ChrisANG> I believe there is a small to-hit penalty for being confused.  You get an AC bonus because you're swaying all over the place, and you arrange to always sway out of the way of any attacks because you're Just That Good at martial arts.
18:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:16939
18:37 <rld> <@ChrisANG> What's that Journey to the West knockoff (also with Jackie Chan, I believe)?
18:37 <rld> <@ChrisANG> The Forbidden Kingdom
18:38 * aosdict hasn't really seen many/any jackie chan movies
18:39 <nooodle> why do monsters pick up globs of green slime. Is it acidic? Does that mean if I stone them with a trice corpse they'll eat the slime and turn into a green slime?
18:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6034
18:41 <rld> <@rikersan> it's a stoning cure, yes. I believe they don't actually eat it tho
18:42 <nooodle> the fools
18:44 <rld> <@Tone> Monsters will eat acidic corpses in vanilla
18:45 <rld> <@rikersan> I think they don't eat slime tho
18:45 <rld> <@Tone> to prevent stoning
18:45 <aosdict> green slime is a stoning cure? It's not acidic.
18:45 <rld> <@Tone> oh green slime, missed that part
18:45 <aosdict> Do they think it's better to become a slime than a statue?
18:45 <rld> <@rikersan> it is according ot the wiki
18:45 <rld> <@rikersan> looks like only salamanders eat it tho, cuz they're immune to slime (fire-based)
18:46 <rld> <@Tone> as a player can you eat a green slime then light yourself on fire to prevent stoning then sliming?
18:46 <rld> <@rikersan> yes you should be able ot
18:46 <rld> <@rikersan> yea aosdict they're acidic according to monst.c
18:47 <rld> <@rikersan> just no acid damage
18:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 14957 points, T:8027, killed by a soldier ant
18:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anhur, on T:21468
18:54 <bouquet> aosdict: Drunken Master is worth a viewing.  The dubbed version is really good - JC does his own dubbing.
19:01 <K2> aosdict heh
19:06 <[Demo]> whats a good name for an evil forest branch full of mean bad plants and stuff?
19:06 <[Demo]> and BAD BITERS that live in there too
19:10 <aosdict> The Dark Forest, The Forbidden Woods, The Haunted Forest
19:10 <aosdict> The Forbidden Forest (harry potter)
19:11 <aosdict> The Black Forest
19:11 <aosdict> unless you are looking for a more specific place-name
19:13 <[Demo]> I don't want any centaurs in it no centaurs
19:14 <[Demo]> i do like the idea of unicorns
19:15 <[Demo]> might just use black forest idk
19:17 <rld> <@Luxidream> !whereis Glord
19:17 <Beholder> @Luxidream: [hdf-us] Glord [tnnt]: (Arc Gno Fem Neu) T:681 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2
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19:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 47 points, T:208, killed by a goblin
19:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 250 points, T:720, killed by a jackal
19:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45510
19:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45511
19:55 <rld> <@Tone> [Demo]:  Call it "If a man dies in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does he make a sound?"
19:56 <[Demo]> this is a nethack branch not a fallout boy song, that name is way too long :P
19:56 <introsp3ctive> LOL
19:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Glord (Arc Gno Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3486
19:57 <[Demo]> then again the same thing could be said about the illithanachronounbinder role
19:57 <[Demo]> which is so much fun to type when you know how to spell it
19:57 <introsp3ctive> It is fun to say too
19:57 <aosdict> a noun binder?
19:57 <aosdict> :P
19:58 <aosdict> il-lithan-achro-noun-binder
19:58 <[Demo]> ill-ith-ana-chrono-un-binder
19:59 <aosdict> isn't the "illith" part one chunk?
19:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:37776
19:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37777
20:00 <[Demo]> well yeah
20:01 <[Demo]> theres no consistency in that - out
20:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Glord (Arc Gno Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3773
20:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Glord (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed for the first time, on T:3777
20:07 <jonadab> bhaak: I can't imagine anyone who isn't completely ignorant of the history of the word "roguelike", seriously arguing that Rogue *was* a roguelike.
20:08 <jonadab> Is Latin a Romance language?
20:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:43503
20:09 <[Demo]> uh yeah
20:09 <[Demo]> are semantics fucking dumb? :P
20:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:46995
20:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Durin's Bane, on T:31823
20:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Rog Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5465
20:11 <bhaak> uh, no.
20:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jim (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 3055 points, T:5466, quit
20:11 <bhaak> a Romance language is one defined as being a successor language of Latin. so, Latin is not one
20:12 <jonadab> Exactly analagous.
20:12 <bhaak> whereas with the term roguelike, the case is different
20:12 <bhaak> first, does "-like" exclude "identical"?
20:13 <jonadab> That's entirely ignoring the history of the term.
20:13 <bhaak> second, the term roguelike was coined after there have been several other games in the spirit of rogue. it was not rogue that defined it but the whole set of similar games.
20:13 <jonadab> That part's true.
20:14 <bhaak> so, rogue falls under that definition of whatever features were deemed roguelikish
20:14 <bhaak> although the only codified set of features would be in the Berlin interpretation.
20:15 <jonadab> The Berlin interpretation came much later, and was never intended to be a definition.
20:16 <bhaak> it contains weighted features for a game being considered a roguelike
20:16 <bhaak> although its main task was to end the discussions of what game is a roguelike or not 
20:17 <jonadab> It did not accomplish that.
20:17 <jonadab> I prefer the 1994 definition.  From when the term "roguelike" was coined.
20:17 <bhaak> no, it didn't. but most discussions died down anyway shortly afterwards
20:17 <jonadab> Err, late '93, early '94.
20:18 <jonadab> Other terms were considered, e.g., "dungon crawler", but were rejected as overbroad.
20:18 <jonadab> Eventually, even though many felt it was awkward, the proposed term "roguelike" won out.
20:19 <jonadab> People felt that e.g. Zork might be a dungeon crawler, but it clearly was not the kind of game people were talking about in context.
20:20 <bhaak> IIRC Slashie's talk correctly, roguelike was already created back then as an umbrella term, including rogue, nethack, and angband
20:22 <jonadab> I find it telling that permadeath was not discussed at all back then.  Probably because *lots* of videogames in that era had permadeath, so it wasn't really remarkable.
20:22 <bhaak> if rogue weren't a roguelike, the newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.rogue would be misplaced. that's impossible
20:22 <[Demo]> lol
20:22 <jonadab> Hmm.
20:22 * jonadab contemplates getting someone to newgroup rec.games.roguelike.supermariobrothers
20:23 <bhaak> rec is not alt :)
20:23 <jonadab> Ah, perhaps not.
20:24 <jonadab> Though these days, there are like six nntp servers total worldwide, so the number of people who would have to accept it is small :-)
20:24 <bhaak> but some have German admins
20:24 <bhaak> you won't get shit past their radar :-D
20:25 <jonadab> I was not aware of that.
20:25 * jonadab actually participated in a newsgroup creation once, but it was indeed in alt.
20:25 <jonadab> Which still required some discussion, unlike free.*
20:26 <bhaak> at least the eternal september newsservers have German admins
20:27 <rld> <@Tone> Just a heads up, streaming some nethack for the first time in a while.  Continuing a 362 priest game I started a while ago, at soko now and looking to reach the castle tonight.
20:27 <rld> <@Tone> link: https://www.twitch.tv/tonelive
20:28 <jonadab> There was also comp.society.women, but that was before my time.
20:28 <bhaak> German usenet had their own alt hierarchy (de.alt.*). no hierarchy comparable to free. at least not under de.*.  de.alt was intended as sub hierarchy with a simplified newsgroup creation process. but it was only lightweight compared to the de.* creation process :)
20:29 <bhaak> I was somewhat surprised that they only started defining a term in the mid 90s
20:30 <bhaak> there were so many games around for such a long time.
20:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class R), on T:48077
20:30 <bhaak> I have to check how larn, nethack, omega, moria were described on the PD disks I got them from
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20:32 <bhaak> Larn: This disk contains a port of the popular UNIX game "Larn".
20:32 <bhaak> s/Larn/Hack for Hack
20:33 <bhaak> Omega is similar to hack or rogue, but much more complex.
20:35 <bhaak> hmm, NetHack 2.3 didn't even get a proper description, just "too big to fit on one disk, this is part 1, part 2 is on the next"
20:35 <bhaak> NetHack 3.0: "A screen oriented fantasy game where your goal ..."
20:35 <bhaak> Moria: A single player dungeon simulation
20:36 <bhaak> Hack Lite is a dungeon adventure game in the style of Rogue, Hack, Moria, etc.
20:37 <bhaak> interesting, I would have expected more descriptive texts.
20:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:48413
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20:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:45963
20:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:48482
20:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:27922
20:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27926
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20:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:48583
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20:51 <bouquet> loved Moria. Those scrolls of recall to go between town and the dungeon were money
20:51 <tempest> Anyone know if Splicehack's infernal is supposed to display normal or hungerless regeneration? Nethackwikia says one thing, but my tests say another.
20:51 <rebatela> Angband is like that too
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20:57 <uniusz> ehhh kill my  faithful dog ;/
20:57 <uniusz> but game going nice
20:57 <uniusz> grg sleep, cya o/
20:57 <aosdict> tempest: leave a message for antigulp I guess
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20:58 <rld> <@Luxidream> nethackwikia?
20:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:49014
21:00 <aosdict> the unholy union
21:01 <tempest> erm, nethackwiki. It is late and I was being harassed by a four year old that *should* be well asleep.
21:02 <tempest> I'll do that, thanks.
21:02 <rld> <@Theyflower> Do they sell toddler tranquilizer
21:02 <rld> <@Theyflower> LOL
21:02 <rld> <@Luxidream> how were you testing the nutrition?
21:02 <tempest> I have fantasized about it many, many times.
21:02 <rld> <@Luxidream> I didn't notice any difference when I played
21:03 <rld> <@Theyflower> I love how well I sniped your "I'll try that, thanks"
21:03 <tempest> I tested it some on the hardfoughts version, but I compiled it from source to be sure. Measuring the turns between "hungry" and "weak".
21:04 <tempest> It lined up exactly with another race wearing a ring of regeneration.
21:05 <rld> <@Luxidream> ah, I see
21:05 <rld> <@Luxidream> yeah just !tell AntiGulp about it
21:06 <rld> <@Luxidream> splice has a lot of bugs to iron out
21:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] oh6 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:40384
21:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:49346
21:08 <tempest> God, it has been so long since I have tried to do something like leave a message in IRC. I have to relearn how to use irc every few years when I again get obsessed with Nethack.
21:09 <bouquet> I got cornered by a mindflayer. Any good suggestions for dealing with them in close combat?  I have no attack wands or scrolls of scare monster.
21:10 <bouquet> difficulty: I'm a priest.
21:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:46739
21:10 <rld> <@Luxidream> elbereth or other escape items
21:11 <rld> <@Luxidream> I think they don't follow
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21:11 <rld> <@Luxidream> bouquet: in unnethack mind flayer amnesia is removed I think
21:12 <rld> <@Luxidream> however your unicorn horn will not work to restore int
21:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:46747
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21:12 <aosdict> though unnethack keeps cthulhu amnesia
21:12 <rld> <@Theyflower> Yasi: allow you to wear a scroll of amnesia as a hat and for it to instakill mind flayers if they try to eat your brain
21:12 <rld> <@Luxidream> we don't talk about cthulhu
21:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:46758
21:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:46762
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21:21 <aosdict> tempest: oh hey there's antigulp now
21:21 <AntiGulp> ohai
21:21 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from aosdict at 2018-10-09 13:25 EDT: Can you get amalgamations of spiders and humans and if so are they spiderman
21:22 <AntiGulp> Oooh the TNNT site looks nice
21:22 <AntiGulp> [backscroll] splice definitely has quite a few bugs (plus the wiki is pretty out of date). I’ll look into infernal regen.
21:25 <AntiGulp> Need to choose a clan hmmmm
21:26 <aosdict> clan tnnt
21:26 <aosdict> masters of 3.6.2-dev
21:26 <[Demo]> join clan homoslexual joy!
21:29 <tempest> Antigulp, is Splicehack's infernal supposed to have hungerless or normal regeneration?
21:30 <AntiGulp> I love the name of homoslexual joy that I almost want to join it on that alone, but tnnt needs people. Aosdict, invite me?
21:30 <[Demo]> wait does homoslexual joy even have members?
21:30 <AntiGulp> tempest: Should be normal regen.
21:30 <aosdict> AntiGulp: done
21:31 <[Demo]> oh wow amy bundled up some people
21:31 <aosdict> I'm not totally certain that tnnt will actually be a thing in the tournament, so if I end up disbanding it, go to HSJ
21:31 <tempest> I have tested on hardfought, and finally compiled my own from source. It is definitely normal hungered regen.
21:31 <tempest> Oh, right. I misread. Thanks!
21:32 <AntiGulp> Wait no I misread, it’s supposed to be hungerless. Huh, that bug must have been there since 0.0.1.
21:32 <tempest> Is there any way to use a silver magic lamp as an infernal? I only have fingerless gloves, so I wasn't sure if full fingered would allow me to apply or rub it.
21:32 <tempest> Okay, I wanted to ask before I filed a proper issue on github.
21:33 <tempest> I spent way too much time figuring out how to compile it to test in wizard mode. It was far more interesting than actually working.
21:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:50986
21:35 <AntiGulp> tempest: Hmmm, not sure on the infernal part. Honestly infernals are the source of like half the bugs in splice for some reason
21:36 <K2> interesting backscroll...
21:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:46870
21:41 <tempest> I have to ask before I start another game, are Angels the other half  of the bugs?
21:42 <bouquet> so no amnesia from mindflayers in Un? That's good news. I have a blessed potion of restore ability for the int loss.
21:44 <AntiGulp> tempest: No, angels are solid. They’re also what people used for 2 out of the top 3 ascensions. They’re pretty powerful.
21:44 <[Demo]> angels dont have bugs cause they are too simple? :P
21:45 <AntiGulp> I mean you’re not wrong. Was going to add a technique that allowed them to banish demons into gehennom at one point though :D
21:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "cursed magic marker", on T:51135
21:46 <rld> <@Luxidream> I don't think they're very special right now
21:47 <rld> <@Luxidream> even though their race description says that many races are peaceful to them, basically nothing is
21:47 <rld> <@Luxidream> so they are flying humans with a lower str cap
21:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "The Holographic Void Lily", on T:7528
21:55 <tempest> Looks like I can't apply a silver lamp, but I can rub it.
21:56 <AntiGulp> Odd. Guess I’ll look into that.
21:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Glord (Arc Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a lizard, on T:7585
21:56 <AntiGulp> Newt on level 4 just dropped a can of grease. I’ll take that
21:57 <tempest> That must be some newt...
21:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] toneLive (Pri Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12226
21:59 <aosdict> a greasy newt
21:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Glord (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 486 points, T:7797, died of starvation, while fainted
21:59 <AntiGulp> YASI: If a monster drops a can of grease, its corpse will give you greasy fingers.
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22:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:52228
22:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] antigulp (Bar Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a gnome corpse, on T:3508
22:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:48722
22:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:32183
22:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 987 points, T:2296, killed by a black pudding
22:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:53258
22:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:32769
22:27 <tempest> Is there a good way to adjust the colors using putty, so that dark blue isn't so hard to see?
22:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:53692
22:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:53694
22:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 723 points, T:1230, killed by a magic missile
22:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:53896
22:33 <Chris_ANG> tempest: You should be able to set it under "Colours" as part of configuring a connection.
22:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] antigulp (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5960
22:35 <Chris_ANG> tempest: You can also change it by right-clicking on the title bar and selecting "change settings"
22:35 <Chris_ANG> I'm not sure if it will persist between sessions if you do that.
22:35 <tempest> So it is, thanks Chris. It has been a couple of years since I was binging on your dNethack variant. I have to relearn from scratch.
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22:45 <Chris_ANG> :)
22:48 <AntiGulp> How dare these shopkeepers not accept my diamonds as legal tender?
22:49 <rld> <@Demo> shoot him
22:49 <rld> <@Demo> add guns to spl
22:49 <AntiGulp> I’m playing tnnt
22:49 <AntiGulp> Also no
22:49 <rld> <@Luxidream> phew
22:49 <rld> <@Demo> @tnnt add guns to tnnt
22:50 <rld> <@Luxidream> add gun chest
22:50 <rld> <@Demo> yes
22:50 <rld> <@Luxidream> swap chest but only for guns
22:50 <rld> <@Demo> you trade diamonds for guns
22:51 <rld> <@Demo> and the shoot shopkeepers
22:51 <AntiGulp> “Business is bad.” Well maybe you shouldn’t have spent 2000 gp on a single diamond, which my cat then immediately stole? That’s just not a good investment!
22:51 <rld> <@Demo> name your cat pink panther
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22:53 <AntiGulp> Too late their names are “Johnny Nero, Action Hero” and “Tiki tiki tembo no sa rembo chari bari ruchi pip peri pembo.” It makes combat logs a nightmare.
22:53 <AntiGulp> Oh wait, Johnny is dead now. RIP.
22:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:51278
22:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Eleven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:51278
22:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:38569
22:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] tempest (Pir Inf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9864
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23:37 <bouquet> is it possible that my quest level generated somewhere other than between dlvl 11-16?
23:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:57822
23:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:57836
23:38 <bouquet> never got the "look for an ...ic transporter" message anywhere
23:39 <bouquet> nevermind, found it finally
23:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:57884
23:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:58150
23:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:58153
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23:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [tnnt] Chansu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58454