00:19 [hdf-us] [slshm] Bard (Nec Dro Mal Cha), 16 points, T:85, killed by a fox 00:28 <@IceBox> whhaaaa? 00:28 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/499075766290481162/unknown.png 00:29 <@IceBox> sorry if it's a spoiler for tnnt or something 00:29 nah, the code's been diveable 00:36 [hdf-us] [slshm] Bard (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 1817 points, T:2587, killed by a killer bee 00:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] Bard (Und Gno Fem Neu), 428 points, T:1096, killed by a gas spore's explosion 00:47 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 00:55 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:02 @IceBox aosdict was trying to keep me from finding out but yeah, the code's right there. Swap chests are cool in that you can leave stuff for *other people* to find in their own swap chests. 01:02 I was never trying to prevent anyone from finding out, we were just being cagey early on 01:02 <@IceBox> aww snap, yeah i haven't messed with it yet, but i'll but a lil sumthin sumthin in there 01:03 and before you think of putting in a rusty -2 dagger... the box is somewhat selective in what it accepts ;) 01:03 It can also get mad and try to ultraviolence you to death 01:04 possible unique death to get in tnnt: "trampled to death by an angry box" 01:06 On an entirely unrelated and off-topic note does anyone know of a good markdown editor for Linux 01:07 <@Luxidream> any bonuses for putting in a wand of wishing 01:08 You get to feel good for not being that guy who puts a level 1 magikarp into wonder trade 01:14 <@IceBox> what things can damage int? 01:15 <@IceBox> other than flayers 01:15 <@IceBox> what a bummer, didn't realize that whole game that i didn't have hungerless casting 01:15 <@IceBox> it was a real good run too 01:16 o no 01:17 <@Luxidream> sitting on thrones 01:17 <@Luxidream> not much else 01:18 <@IceBox> yeah must've just been an idiot and not noticed cuz my previous game had 18int 01:19 <@IceBox> that one's a stinger, probably my best wiz yet barring any lucky early wishes 01:19 <@Luxidream> aosdict: do you check for iron chains 01:19 <@IceBox> i was trying to uncurse a worms tooth for a crysknife, and that put me in a bad spot cuz of course sneks came 01:19 <@Luxidream> or iron ball 01:19 <@Luxidream> I think reading enchant weapon uncurses your weapon 01:19 <@Luxidream> provided the enchant weapon is also uncursed or better 01:20 @Luxidream I'm 99% sure it just checks the material 01:20 Which it should be iron for chains and balls 01:20 <@Luxidream> I'm reading swap_chest_eligible right now 01:20 <@Luxidream> nothing on iron balls 01:21 Ohhhh 01:21 <@Luxidream> it does however exclude harmful items like strangulation 01:21 We were talking about elves and iron in xnh earlier 01:21 <@Luxidream> but not the scroll of punishment 01:21 So I assumed you were talking about that 01:22 <@Luxidream> it looks like you can leave rings of aggravate monster/teleportation in there too 01:32 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 01:33 On the other hand, swap chest stuff auto-ids 01:33 So you'll at least know if you're getting screwed 02:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:39 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:50 -!- ProzacElf_ has left #hardfought 02:50 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 03:20 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:25 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 03:43 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 03:52 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 04:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:26 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:39 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 04:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:57 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 05:01 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:09 -!- phinxy has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:28 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:40 aosdict: Re: your color changing problem for at least in the curses port. if you set your TERM to a terminal that doesn't support color changing, the curses interface won't change them. 06:41 aosdict: TERM=xterm for example. infocmp -L | grep can_change will show if the current TERM has it 07:28 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [SeaMonkey 2.49.4/20180713174829]] 08:08 -!- emerson has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 08:09 Tangles: Yeah, you should probably block the swap chest from accepting iron balls and chains and statues and stuff. 08:15 -!- emerson has joined #hardfought 08:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3589 08:27 <@Theyflower> Luggage :) 08:29 <@Theyflower> Does it allow you to obtain identified items without gaining points? 08:30 default: /* food, gems, boulders, statues, iron chains, etc */ 08:30 return FALSE; 08:30 <@Theyflower> That could be useful for someone trying to get a low score asc 08:30 iron balls come under 'etc' in that comment. 08:33 but yeah I should probably exclude scrolls of punishment along with amnesia, mail and blank. Good catch. 08:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:40 <[Demo]> swap chest? 08:40 si 08:40 <[Demo]> is this gonna be a TNNT thing? 08:40 <@Theyflower> Aye 08:41 <[Demo]> sounds cool as shit 08:41 test it out 08:42 [Demo] you're really good at finding bugs/exploits... try and break it 08:43 <[Demo]> is it in 3.6.2 hdf? or whatever that version is? 08:43 No it's just in the tnnt beta build. 08:43 <[Demo]> wheres that 08:45 <[Demo]> think i found it nvm 08:45 https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt 08:45 <@Theyflower> The non-caster classes will be putting in lots of spell books :p 08:47 <[Demo]> tnnt looks like itll be fun 08:48 <[Demo]> wait no way, is this for trading with other players? 08:48 si 08:49 <[Demo]> doesnt allowing WoW swap kind of seem iffy? 08:49 nope 08:50 and human nature being what it is, how many people do you think will give up a WoW? 08:51 <[Demo]> do you only get one swap per game or could someone like luxi fill the swap with nice WoWs and then run another game and collect them all very early on and do a mega slammer? 08:51 play and find out ;) 08:51 <[Demo]> heh 08:56 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a ring mail bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:8744 09:01 gah why does xorg keep crashing and making all my programs crash along with it 09:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Orc Fem Non), 75 points, T:549, killed by a newt 09:21 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 09:25 -!- rld1 has joined #hardfought 09:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld1] by ChanServ 09:26 -!- rld has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26 <@Theyflower> If the luggage refuses to accept some scrolls then it can be used to obtain partial identity information about those items and getting a scroll of amnesia or punishment from it still means you have a bad scroll Id'd and can yoloread more scrolls 09:26 -!- rld1 is now known as rld 09:27 good point, Tangles: was that addresses? 09:27 addressed* 09:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:35 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:38 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 09:52 [hdf-us] [gh] austin (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 8 points, T:171, killed by a fox 09:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a helmet on an altar, on T:4516 10:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Orc Fem Non), 5460 points, T:3623, killed by a raven 11:21 <@Luxidream> Aosdict: I think swap chest should only take identified items 11:22 <@Luxidream> I think that’s fair. You should know what you’re putting in 11:22 interesting... 11:26 well, type-IDed at least 11:49 !setmintc 200 11:49 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 set to 200 11:52 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Pri Hum Mal Cha) killed Swidnica on T:14033 11:56 !who 11:56 introsp3ctive: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh362] vid [un] Flan99 [zapm] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 11:57 aosdict, @Luxidream: What if you're completely certain of the type of a given item but it's not formally ID'd? e.g. most wand engravings. 11:59 <@Luxidream> type IDed should work 11:59 <@Luxidream> For example, a wand of fire will type ID 11:59 You can put "a wand called wishing" in the chest; caveat swapper. :-) 12:00 <@Luxidream> Yes, but you can zap it once, or identify it 12:00 i think type-ID'ed makes more sense rather than fully ID'ed 12:00 what if you're trying to go for illiterate conduct 12:00 or just never come across a scroll of ID before reaching the chest 12:01 K2: I take the 1/111 chance of blowing it up and put my wand of wishing (which I know has 0 charges and has been recharged) in the chest. 12:02 heh 12:02 I'm sure swap chests will just go the way of wonder trade 12:02 FTAOD that is a serious objection to "why not type-ID"; the suggestion that you should be able to put unknown items that are just #named in the chest, caveat swapper, is frivolous 12:03 More stuff should auto-type-id, really 12:04 <@Luxidream> you shouldn’t be able to put #named items in the chest 12:04 Everyone *knows* You Feel Like Someone Is Helping You is remove curse, but it asks you to type-name that kind of scroll instead of being identified outright. 12:04 <@Luxidream> the wand of wishing type identifies 12:05 and this is why we beta test ;) 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "mitch mcconnell is a traitor", on T:14891 12:52 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 20708 points, T:15792, killed by an elven dagger 13:25 !tell AntiGulp Can you get amalgamations of spiders and humans and if so are they spiderman 13:25 Will do, aosdict! 13:26 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a pit viper, on T:18877 13:30 Something that's been on my personal YANI list for ages: A proper Luggage pet for Tourists. Carries your stuff around for you, and fights like a normal pet. 13:31 if it's as powerful as the actual Luggage, it would overpower tourists :) 13:32 the Luggage can one-hit KO lots of threats 13:40 Yeah, not that powerful XD 13:41 About as powerful as a normal pet, but basically immune to damage and it can carry all your stuff. 13:42 Immune to damage? Does that mean if you level it up enough to attack shopkeepers, watchmen etc, you can sit by and let it attack them until they die? 13:43 Yes-ish, but that's true of a lot of pets. Alternatively, its max level could be to low for that to happen. 13:44 Unrelated YANI (monster AI addendum): "Swarming" monsters, like most of team a, should have a penalty to move into a space where they can't see any other monsters in the swarm. This will keep them as a swarm while letting them still move down corridors, etc, and pursue the player. 13:48 As an alternative (or addition) to "immune to damage": Whenever it dies, it leaves behind a normal luggage object (which is a container with the pet's inventory), and after a while it turns back into a monster. 13:48 (ie, taking enough damage forces it to become dormant for a while). 13:51 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "the corrodeproof greased holy platinum yendorian express card", on T:19581 14:04 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Con Vam Fem Cha), 306 points, T:305, killed by a gnome lord 14:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:13 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 14:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 14:21 <@IceBox> is it unsafe to pray early as classes that start with a 0 alignment record? 14:25 http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/pray.html - only inasmuch as you might have done something to make it -1. 14:27 <@IceBox> k that's what i was thinking. Splatting too many games and not #naming things with the last time i prayed 14:27 <@IceBox> so must've used it too close together 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:21599 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23480 15:09 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:36 [hdf-us] [slshm] Bard (Ran Dop Mal Cha), 5122 points, T:8911, killed by a bolt of cold 15:37 [hdf-us] [slshm] Bard (Mon Dop Fem Neu), 28 points, T:135, killed by a newt 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] Bard (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 18 points, T:155, killed by a newt 15:39 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 15:43 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 15:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:50 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has joined #hardfought 15:53 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 16:53 aosdict / luxidream / theyflower: I think attempting to put unidentified objects in the swapchest is fine. You can risk putting in that 300zm scroll, and maybe you find out its punishment and get to keep it, or maybe you find out it's genocide, but you just lost it to the chest... to me, this just seems like part of the fun. 16:56 sure, if you were allowed to just swap an unlimited number of items, you could just use this to identify your whole inventory, but that's not how it works. 17:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:14 Tangles: Since you can get your original item back if you're fast, you can generally use that as a hedge against there being nothing worthwhile in the chest, namely: "either identify my 300z scroll, or I'll get something better anyway" 17:14 May be OK from a game theory perspective. 17:15 the issue is if that it *is* punishment, you can then try your next might-be-refused item, with the same outcomes, plus you just identified punishment for free. 17:16 [hdf-us] [un] jankster (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4 points, T:34, killed by a jackal 17:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] omnipresence (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 172 points, T:809, killed by a coyote 17:31 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 17:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 17:34 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:38 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "the holy greased fixed historic eye of the aethiopica", on T:34799 17:47 If I name a random item like "crude dagger named Grayswandir", then die and leave some bones, will the player who finds my bones see what I named the crude dagger? 17:48 <@Luxidream> no 17:49 was that a thing in 3.4.3 or older versions? I swear I used to find stuff named in bones piles. 17:49 <@Luxidream> named monsters stay 17:49 like "a sack called WATCH OUT THERES A LICH!!" 17:49 <@Luxidream> so do engravings 17:50 probably all the fresh air causing me to hallucinate. 17:50 <@Luxidream> gotta breathe more of that dank dungeon air 17:51 <@Luxidream> that’ll keep you sane 17:54 Names persist, don't they? Only type-names don't. 17:58 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:59 "a blessed chrome dart named Aosdict's Bane" 18:31 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 18:38 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 18:42 heh 18:43 aosdictbane 18:43 so fleecy 18:55 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:06 -!- greqrg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18 bouquet: You might be thinking of custom fruit name shenanigans 19:23 bouquet: slex I assume? 19:23 dunno why amy would think I'm vulnerable to chrome 19:24 lots of my kitchen is chrome 19:28 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 19:36 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an electric eel, on T:3457 19:43 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 19:55 Pinkbeast: ya... I think you're right. It was just fruit that had special names and I came across it recently. 19:56 I usually name my fruit "Jackfruit" in case anyone has ever found my bones which are undoubtedly plentiful. 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4180 19:56 my current fruit is "chocolate Amulet of Yendor" 19:57 Along those lines I think I'll change mine to my favorite autumn treat "Niederegger Chocolate Covered Marzipan Loaf" 19:58 I used "cockatrice corpse" at one point 20:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 12616 points, T:5807, killed by a fire ant 20:11 in grunthack i use 'Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster' 20:24 <@Luxidream> I use "cereal box named Fire Bran" 20:24 hahahahah 20:25 is colon blow not enough? then try 'fire bran' 20:25 <[Demo]> colon blow is my favorite flavor of cocaine 20:25 see... i actually believe you 20:27 <[Demo]> ha... i wish i could afford a cocaine addiction 20:27 hrm nope 20:28 drug are bad, mmmk? 20:28 <[Demo]> well if i could afford a cocaine addiction i could spend the money on way better things 20:28 <[Demo]> you gotta think this shit through 20:28 like... not drugs 20:28 <[Demo]> yeah 20:28 ;) 20:29 get a cabana boy 20:29 <[Demo]> if im ever like sweating dollar bills im gonna just own a datacenter for fun 20:30 PavelB: "cockatrice corpse. You turn to stone..." is one that pops up every now and again 20:31 i've had the discussion about what would you do if you won the lottery 20:31 and both the big ones in the US are high value right now 20:32 <[Demo]> id become a knowledge monk 20:32 1) pay off all debt 20:33 I'd probably buy a new laptop and desktop, and then very slowly spend the rest on video games, anime, and light novels over the next many years. 20:33 <[Demo]> pretty sure paying off all debts /should/ be an obvious first step but maybe not 20:33 * PavelB doesn't have any debts *yet* 20:33 2) tuck 10 million away in a high interest savings account (this is the emergency fund, enough that if worst case scenario happens and you blow the rest of your winnings on hookers and blow, you can still live comfortably just off the interest) 20:34 <[Demo]> thats not a bad idea 20:34 3) make some wise investments (make your money earn more money) 20:34 4) party like its 1999 20:34 <[Demo]> i dont think id be satisifed 20:35 hah 20:35 luckily #1 on my list isnt too crazy 20:36 What happened in 1999? 20:36 PavelB: google 'party like its 1999' 20:36 * K2 bets more than one person here had to google 'party like its 1999' 20:36 :P 20:37 although Prince was off by a year... new milenium didnt start until midnight jan 1st 2001 20:37 but still... 20:37 1999 is more catchy sounding than 2001 20:47 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 20:48 but 2001 has space odysseys! 20:48 \o/ 20:48 or one, at least 20:49 watched it fairly recently. forgot just how much of an acid trip the ending becomes 20:50 oh yeah 20:50 i wish someone would make 2061 and 3001 into movies also 20:51 esp 3001 20:52 alright, bedtime. gnite all 20:53 <[Demo]> wow early good night 20:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Orc Fem Non), 347 points, T:200, killed by a newt, while praying 20:57 if I can be in bed by 8pm I'm happy. 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[+vvv honu Dracunos Joonaa] by livingstone.freenode.net 21:45 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 21:45 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 21:45 -!- Adeon has joined #hardfought 21:45 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 21:46 -!- dtype has quit [] 21:47 -!- APic has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:48 -!- emerson has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 21:48 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 21:49 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 21:49 -!- emerson has joined #hardfought 21:49 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 21:50 <@Luxidream> !who 21:51 big netsplit happening, I don't think beholder's on this side of it 21:51 -!- dtype has quit [Changing host] 21:51 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 21:52 no wait he is 21:52 !ping 21:52 aosdict: Pong! 21:52 -!- jilles has joined #hardfought 21:52 <[Demo]> i guess i am 21:52 !tho 21:52 !who 21:52 weird 21:55 <@Theyflower> Hi 21:55 Hello @Theyflower, Welcome to #hardfought 21:56 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 21:56 [hdf-us] [slshm] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2843 points, T:4116, killed by a panther 22:07 <@Luxidream> !thot 22:07 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 22:07 !8ball is beerholder better than you? 22:07 aosdict: It is decidedly so 22:07 yeah I thought so 22:10 Huh, according to wikipedia, 8 balls are 50% likely to give a positive answer, 25% neutral, and 25% negative. This could be useful in constructing future queries, assuming beholder is implemented the same way 22:19 <@IceBox> !8ball will I be disappointed if I rely on statistics to try to get funny answers when I need them? 22:19 @IceBox: Ask again later 22:19 ha 22:19 <@Luxidream> !8ball is amybsod straight 22:19 @Luxidream: It is certain 22:19 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 22:19 <@Luxidream> uh, no? 22:20 <@IceBox> Sorry dude the 8-ball has answered 22:20 <@IceBox> Also sorry Amy 22:20 it's almost as if beholder isn't doing a massive NLP computation on the 8-ball query and indexing the result against all known communication in this channel 22:21 <@IceBox> !8ball are you in fact doing that s***? 22:21 @IceBox: Better not tell you now 22:21 <@IceBox> You son of a b**! 22:21 son of a bee? 22:21 having a hard time thinking of what else could b** be 22:22 <@Luxidream> the baby killer bee stings! 22:22 beholder the team a sleeper agent 22:23 <@IceBox> I'm using voice to text so I can't really take responsibility for the crappy censoring 22:24 <@IceBox> You f** assholes 22:24 voice to text to discord to irc, what a world 22:24 <@IceBox> Weird that one came through 22:27 <@Tone> I'm just impressed that you voice-to-texted an !8ball command 22:28 voice->text->discord->irc->beholder internals->irc->discord->text 22:36 <@IceBox> Now we're cooking with gas 22:39 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Vam Fem Non), 1049 points, T:1178, killed by a giant bat 23:08 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought