00:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44517 00:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44519 00:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:45136 00:16 -!- [Demo]3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16 -!- [Demo]4 has joined #hardfought 00:16 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 00:16 -!- elevenbeers has joined #hardfought 00:16 -!- tenbeers has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:16 -!- elevenbeers is now known as tenbeers 00:16 !hi 00:16 !hello 00:16 Hello tenbeers, Welcome to #hardfought 00:16 * tenbeers pats Beholder. 00:17 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:18 -!- oelewapperkeIp has joined #hardfought 00:18 -!- oelewapperkeIp has quit [K-Lined] 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a gnome corpse, on T:3015 00:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 darts on an altar, on T:3228 00:23 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 00:23 . 00:29 server is a little choppy. Pretty sure it's not me. Anyone else? 00:29 might be 00:29 one sec 00:30 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:32 how bout now 00:32 gimme a minute to try it out. 00:34 still kind of choppy. I'm 99% certain it isn't me. IRC via my ssh session is smooth. 00:34 cpu load is 1-2% 00:34 who knows, maybe I dropped a packed in the tubes somewhere 00:35 use this - https://www.hardfought.org/server_status/network_tools/network_tool_hdf_us/ 00:36 100% packet loss, but it's ipv6 00:36 right, thats back to you from server 00:37 i'd test ipv4 00:37 100% packet loss. Weird, I didn't think I disabled ICMP 00:38 oh well, must be the toobs 00:39 from your terminal, ping or traceroute to hardfought.org 00:40 looking good after 30 seconds 00:40 seriously, I think the internet is just broken. 00:41 we should just throw it in the trash and make a new one 00:42 ;) 00:42 traceroute from hdf-eu to me is pretty good 00:43 ping is under 90ms 00:43 (ipv6) 00:43 so east coast to london is good at least 00:44 235ms ping average from hdf-au 00:45 that's about 100ms better vs my older connection 00:45 ya, all seems fine now 00:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class z, on T:46125 01:08 screw you class z! 01:09 night 01:22 Apparently my dog didn't go to dog school. 01:22 he carried my pickaxe into the hardware store, causing me to have to buy it back. 01:22 reverse thievery 01:22 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "The holy fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail named Tokamak", on T:7782 02:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:11 Evil Patch idea: what if pets were just unable to pick up items inside shops? :D 02:11 O_o 02:11 :D 02:12 hi tenbeers *bundlebundlebundle!* you are cordially invited to try the kurwa challenge in slex if you like ;) 02:12 lol, bundle 02:13 um thanks but I may still be too simple for slex! 02:13 < feebleminded 02:13 still, the invitation is appreciated! 02:13 also, congratulations on your vanilla ascension! 02:13 finally got a Tourist through, thanks. working on Arc now 02:14 the only role I've ascended outside of slex is the samurai, because I suck at playing every other role :P 02:14 that said, I got a wizard to the valley once... and then died 02:14 aw 02:15 I seem to be good at wizards, if I'm not too impatient at the start. If I get them skilled in daggers I'm often good to last. 02:15 but wizarding became a crutch. The game lost a dimension when I realized I felt uncomfortable without Identify and full command of magic 02:15 so I had to break out of that. 02:15 is there any other real melee option for wizards apart from a +2 magicbane? 02:16 well, other artifacts. But yeah for curse resistance it's hard to pass up Magicbane. 02:16 and you're just so much more likely to obtain MB 02:16 i mean you'll get it unquestionably if you last long enough. so it's kind of a given. 02:17 yeah and the cool side effects of stabbing things with it! 02:17 that too made Wizarding a little bit less varied, which I eventually noticed and felt cramped about it 02:17 yes! not to mention stunning and sometimes even cancelling monsters with it. 02:17 which is why I don't take it past +2, though many do 02:18 in slex I've made a couple other artifact weapons that share Magicbane's special attack effects, and have once ascended with a scimitar that had it ;) 02:18 nice. 02:18 in fact I think that one exists in dnethack too, "The Gilded Sword of Yha-Talla" or something 02:19 I'm impressed by slex, I at least stepped in and futzed around a little. No idea when I'm going to actually get around to trying to learn it. 02:19 hurrah for echoes of one variety in another! 02:19 well it's of course also completely possible to just fire up slex to fool around, as opposed to giving it a serious try ;) 02:20 fer sure! 02:20 Evil (?) patch idea: a tool-vending-machine version of the bag of tricks 02:21 if you want to experience the true madness of slex, you can add this to your rcfile: OPTIONS=role:Kur,race:Trp,hybridironman,hybridwindinhabitant,gender:Fem,align:Law 02:21 machine is terribly ferocious, but has a little bit of behavior code such that it gets in moods corresponding to its monster friendliness or lack thereof 02:21 oh lord 02:22 I do not doubt the madness for one blink 02:22 that one is responsible for https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2428 and also made Elronnd develop PTSD from playing ;) 02:22 heh, a sentient bag of tricks? 02:24 but in the form of a sessile monster, a vending machine 02:24 can be tamed but only if you don't mind moving it (weighs approx. one icebox too) 02:24 taming it results in better output. if it's hostile it steals your gold if you stand next to it. 02:25 lol, nice qdb entry 02:26 heh, YASI/EPI (not sure which): one-armed bandits in nethack, which will cause players to develop a gambling addiction. In the EPI version they're rigged in such a way that you are almost guaranteed to lose. Like the damn things in Pokemon Yellow. How the hell are you supposed to win 10000 coins so you can buy a pokemon there??? 02:27 In fact, I was unable to win at those stupid machines even when using save states or stave sates. Like, wtf? 02:33 bwahahaha 02:49 wait... if you kill a straw golem shouldn't it leave a pile of straws? (tools that can help identify potions) 02:49 in some variants they might drop things, dnethack probably has that 02:50 zapping Turn Undead at a straw golem should turn it into a hay golem 02:50 then it would chase you around yelling "hay" until it finds a horse and immediately gets et 02:52 wtf the extra field when watching your game says you're on sokoban level 1??? but it's actually dlvl2? 02:52 hrm! 02:53 also I have to make a hay golem for slex now :D 02:53 :D 02:53 wewt 02:53 hmm, #overview looks right. so maybe just something about the viewer page? 02:53 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 02:54 maybe it always counts the first one you enter as level 4 and counts up to 1 from there 03:04 was that more fixed in earlier versions? 03:04 not sure, it just struck me as odd 03:04 yeah 03:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12209 03:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:14736 03:43 -!- kingswayvil has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- kingswayvil has left #hardfought 03:52 Whoa. My game just ended in a very unusual way I don't think I've seen 03:52 K2, if you or anyone know why, I'm wondering. So I was engulfed by an energy vortex. I wielded my aklys and then threw it. 03:53 I threw it just the first time, and the immediate response from the game was "Oops." with no other explanation. 03:53 panic 03:53 just "Oops." -- then it dropped me to the hardfought menu. - yeah, sounded like a panic 03:53 if you're lucky, the game created a .e emergency save that can be recovered by a server administrator 03:53 hope so! has happened before 03:54 I wonder if there are bugs around use of aklys as ranged weapon inside of a vortex 03:54 oh, does the aklys actually have special code in vanilla now? 03:54 There might be. I could see how that would cause some problems with calculating flight path or something. 03:54 could be since that weapon has only been ranged for a short time now 03:54 yeah 03:54 wouldn't surprise me too much 03:54 Why on earth did you throw the alkys? Isn't that a melee weapon? 03:54 so probably the new aklys code is still bugged in some way 03:54 it's ranged in 3.6.1+ 03:55 if thrown 03:55 huh 03:55 if wielded and thrown, I should say 03:55 The term also applies to a small mace or club equipped with spikes, attached to one arm of the wielder by a strap of adjustable length to enable the weapon to be retrieved after it had been hurled at an enemy. 03:55 I wonder if the same would have happened if I hadn't wielded. 03:55 yeah, check it out sometime, it's a very nice ranged early thru midgame weapon for priests and others 03:55 it yo-yos like Mjollnir. 03:55 I don't _think_ that makes a difference since it stops being wielded the moment you throw it 03:56 Could be, though, if the game somehow fucked up reassigning a pointer or something 03:56 it's wielded when it returns, though. 03:56 ohhhhh 03:56 Lots of opportunity for errors there 03:56 just like a successful Mjollnir throw. 99% chance i read 03:56 just a heck of a lot less damaging than Molly! 03:57 er, Mojo 03:57 lol 03:58 I so hope there's an emergency recovery file for this one. This game was my first Arc that was going well past Minetown and Sokoban after many days of fail after fail! 03:59 Ouch. 03:59 SDSM too 03:59 Arch is a difficult role as well. 03:59 tenbeers: now that you unfortunately can't continue the game until K2 or Tangles recovers your save (crossing fingers that it will work), you might try the aforementioned slex challenge just for fun ♥♥♥ 03:59 yes, I've been working on it after just not trying for years. The other day I finally ascended a Tourist so it's time for Arch. 03:59 I played pretty much exclusively Arc for... three years? 03:59 stout! 04:00 It was just Arc and a little Sam or Wiz as a pallette-cleanser 04:00 Never got any good at it, but I had the strategy down pretty well. 04:00 LarienTelrunya, I think the game (or the game and the server together) may be telling me to take a break and play guitar! 04:00 It's just a shame I'm terrible at NetHack. 04:00 you don't sound so terrible at it, Crawl 04:00 I'm _really_ bad. 04:00 I like Sam and Wiz as palate cleaner :D 04:01 Monks too, the simplicity. Priest sometimes for a different kind of simplicity 04:01 Monks are pretty cool but I get really tired of having to Ctrl+D everything. 04:01 But I always die midgame on Sam, Monk, Priest - one careless moment always comes. 04:01 what's ^D? 04:01 That's the kick command. 04:02 ah. 04:02 Although if you use the number pad I think k becomes the kick. 04:02 why kick rather than punch 04:02 better to-hit I know 04:02 so you must mean while in armor? 04:02 Because for some reason I thought the martial arts skill was just for kicking and hand-to-hand was just for punching 04:02 nope! 04:02 Yeah, like I said I'm fucking garbage at this game. 04:03 it's good for drama though! 04:03 Pretty good at it in theory, terrible in practice. 04:03 aw 04:03 I also happen to have done a bit of source-diving so I know a _bit_ about how it works under the hood. 04:03 it's interesting to have a big pile of rocks like that to work on breaking. 04:03 Never look at its termcap code though; that way madness lies. 04:03 source-diving is fun. I haven't done as much. 04:03 oh indeed. that belongs in a library or something black-boxy! 04:04 Oh god I remember one of my more embarrassing character deaths was like ten years ago now. I got in an argument with a friend of mine and tried to prove that monks can kick boulders until they shatter into rocks. 04:04 Yeah, that didn't work. 04:04 ow! 04:04 they should make that work with Expert+ martial and kicking boots 04:04 just for jollies 04:04 I think I was thinking of the fact that doors "shatter" if you kick them with enough strength and somehow that memory got jumbled in my head 04:04 lol 04:05 Crawldragon: did you ever gaze into the endless abyss that is slex's source? or do you sourcedive for vanilla only? ;) 04:05 and then when I started arguing with him all I did was convince myself that monks can somehow kick boulders to death 04:05 i can see where similar mental tendencies could lead to difficulties playing a game that demands precision! 04:05 I pretty much only sourcedive vanilla unless I want to cannibalize a feature from another variant or a patch. 04:05 I learned a lot from trying to translate the Bard patch to version 3.6.0. 04:05 you should have just kicked your friend instead of arguing. simple, direct. 04:05 Yeah but he was in the Netherlands at the time and I was in the US 04:06 you could have kicked him from a chat room. 04:06 if he wasn't the admin 04:06 :D 04:06 ratzafratz. 04:06 okay, music is calling. I'll be back surely... 04:06 Have fun 04:07 !tell K2 hi, I'm hoping there is an emergency save in 362-hdf for me, my Arc was dropped out of the game in an apparent panic ("Oops" was the only notice) when he threw a wielded aklys while inside an energy vortex. Thx! 04:07 Will do, tenbeers! 04:08 ooh, hypnotist is in medusa-land 04:08 hey, if a rolling boulder trap is located on an island, could it auto roll a boulder into the water? 04:09 i just imagined a whole line of those bridging a strait. except rather dangerous to trigger them 04:09 ok now to stop thinking and take a break 04:09 uhh I see https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tenbeers/nh361/dumplog/1538624652.nh361.txt 04:09 hopefully that doesn't mean the game counted it as a loss 04:09 crap 04:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:32525 04:09 *I* did not panic, let the record show ;__; 04:10 No, but your archeologist grabbed hold of his hat and ran away screaming like a little girl :D 04:10 thanks for that, though, I should have looked for exactly that too for evidence 04:10 you mean his thoroughly rusted crested helmet xD 04:10 To report this error, Contact K2 on freenode irc channel #hardfought and it may be possible to rebuild. tmp_at: tglyph not initialized 04:11 :O 04:11 that's the last thing I see in the ttyrec 04:11 huh 04:11 !ttyrec 04:11 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tenbeers/nh361/ttyrec/ 04:11 !lastgame 04:11 tenbeers: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/w/woodstea23/un531/dumplog/1538619673.un531.txt.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/H/Hill/nh361/dumplog/1538394249.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/y/yelram/nh361/dumplog/1538440485.nh361.txt 04:11 !lastgame tenbeers 04:11 tenbeers: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tenbeers/nh361/dumplog/1538607968.nh361.txt 04:12 you're right, lastgame is not the current 04:13 ok, i'm going actually dormant now, but will be back. 04:14 oh damn the variants have their own menu now 04:14 You guys have been busy. 04:14 IIRC the message if a panic happens on the esm server used to be "Report this error to flauschie and it may be possible to rebuild", which just sounds so cute, I wonder how the "flauschie" got in there? it's a german variation of "fleecy" ♥ 04:28 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [SeaMonkey 2.49.4/20180713174829]] 05:05 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 05:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:07 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:35 !hello 05:35 Hello tenbeers, Welcome to #hardfought 05:48 -!- fakefuldx has joined #hardfought 05:48 -!- fakefuldx has quit [K-Lined] 05:50 morning tenbeers! (and everybody else) 05:51 lol, elenmirie got my minetown bones and eradicated the Woodland-elves, then got killed by the giant mimic in the general store 05:51 now I've got her bones 05:51 I've now got TWO bags of holding, one cursed and one uncursed 05:52 -!- lel has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:56 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 06:00 yowza! 06:00 I had a spare BoH in the recent Tourist game, but I stayed well away from it! 06:01 I'm currently stranded on a so-far-so-good Archaeologist run -- the game panicked when I threw my tethered aklys while inside of an energy vortex. 06:02 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:02 but I'm off to sleep... 06:02 -!- tenbeers has quit [Quit: disintegrates!] 06:04 !tell tenbeers that ended badly 06:04 Will do, raisse! 06:06 !tell tenbeers typoed while reading a scroll, punishment instead of identify, left all my stuff (and elenmirie's stuff) upstairs so the minetown nymph wouldn't steal it, then got killed by a dog 06:06 Will do, raisse! 06:06 !tell tenbeers on the same minetown level so if that's bones again it's very skimpy because all the good stuff is upstairs on a level that will never exist again 06:06 Will do, raisse! 06:06 * raisse tickles Beholder 06:21 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:36 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:38 -!- kozet__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:52 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 07:01 !who 07:01 K2: Message from tenbeers at 2018-10-04 04:07 EDT: hi, I'm hoping there is an emergency save in 362-hdf for me, my Arc was dropped out of the game in an apparent panic ("Oops" was the only notice) when he threw a wielded aklys while inside an energy vortex. Thx! 07:01 K2: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 07:03 -!- K2 has quit [Quit: Rico, smoke! *poof*] 07:04 -!- mode/Beholder_ [+RZi] by Beholder_ 07:04 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ 'The November NetHack Tournament' build is now open for public beta testing, please see the tournament menu for details 07:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder_] by ChanServ 07:05 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 07:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 07:06 !tell tenbeers game recovered 07:06 Will do, K2! 07:06 oh yeah 07:07 -!- Beholder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:11 oh for fucksake 07:11 hdf-us hterm is working again 07:11 and now whatever else was broken before is broken again? 07:12 WHY it stopped working, no idea 07:12 but now it workie 07:12 magic! 07:12 * raisse points at K2's server, then curses 07:12 removed a / 07:12 works 07:12 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 07:13 a spare wand! 07:13 hence the 'oh for fucksake' 07:13 heh 07:13 it must have been a wand of sleep 07:13 dunno 07:13 was about to dig out my wand of death 07:14 -!- hf_guest_58939 has joined #hardfought 07:14 hi ais523 *bundlebundlebundle*! I'm curious; you can apparently name your character "%s%s%s%s" in nethack4 variants without getting segfaults, but trying the same on a local vanilla install can make it spaz out! why is that? 07:14 -!- hf_guest_58939 has left #hardfought 07:15 LarienTelrunya: probably a case of someone doing printf(u_plname) rather than printf("%s", u_plname) 07:15 ais523: Messages from @Luxidream have been forwarded to you privately. 07:15 aaaaaand of course it nroke the tnnt clan management bit 07:15 oooooh that might be it 07:15 broke 07:16 I went and clamped down on that sort of thing as part of the NH4 warning fixes 07:16 btw, you should try adding -Wformat-security (or your compiler's equivalent) to your compile command, then the compiler can tell you about situations like that too 07:16 sprintf(eos(statline), "You are %s, a %s %s %s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s %s.", playeraliasname, 07:16 ^^ would that be unsafe in tha tregard? 07:18 no, it's unsafe when the format string argument is not a string literal (nor a variable containing a format string) 07:18 in this case, the format string argument (the second one) /is/ a string literal so there's no issue wrt unescaped formatting parameters 07:18 I would argue that that particular statement may be unsafe, though, for a different reason: with that many parameters, it'd be very easy to miscount how long the array holding `statline` is 07:19 and even if you'd counted correctly, snprintf would be safer 07:19 hmm the compiler (mingw) gives me this: cc1.exe: warning: -Wformat-security ignored without -Wformat 07:20 oh, add -Wformat too then 07:20 although I thought it was part of -Wall anyway? 07:20 ahh that did the trick, thanks! 07:23 oh apparently it's so that the sprintf I showed above then gets displayed via pline(statline); 07:24 I guess that's where the error happens, so if the string contains an actual %s (e.g. because the player named themselves that), it crashes and it would have to be pline("%s", statline)? 07:24 yes, would need to be pline("%s", statline) 07:24 awesome! that means I can finally fix those bugs :) many thanks for the help! 07:25 so I guess it would be wise to go through the entirety of slex and fix all instances of "format not a string literal and no format arguments" 07:25 guess I'll do that then 07:25 there's literally hundreds of occurences too 07:27 right, and like 90% of them are probably harmless but you have to fix them all so that you find the 10% which are actually a problem :-) 07:27 oh the format security flag is showing other stuff too, like "too many arguments for format" in one file, I guess those should be fixed too 07:28 that's -Wformat 07:29 in general it's good to turn on warnings like -Wformat which are unlikely to have false positives, although in a codebase that's been built without warnings for years, you often have to turn them on one at a time 07:29 to avoid being overwhelmed 07:29 then fix them before moving onto the next one 07:30 well at least compiling slex with the warnings still managed to fit into the 80x9999 buffer of windows's cmd, to my surprise :D 07:30 i.e. there's less than 9999 warnings! 07:31 is that /just/ with -Wformat and -Wformat-security? :-) 07:31 yes 07:31 also, what does botl.c:767: warning: int format, long int arg (arg 4) mean, is that something to worry about? 07:31 you wrote %d to print a long 07:32 that is something to worry about, a) if the value goes above INT_MAX then it'll be printed incorrectly because printf is only expecting an int, b) on a 64-bit system, if there's another argument after it, printf will read that argument from the wrong bit of memory because it's expecting it to come right after the first half of the long, it's not expecting a second half 07:32 correct specifier for a long is %ld 07:33 ugh I have those warnings all over the place, so I guess I have to make very many %d's into %ld's 07:33 -!- oojacoboo has joined #hardfought 07:33 -!- oojacoboo has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:34 if you decide to get serious about warning fixes (which can be a good way to find bugs, although often obscure ones which will never get triggered in practice), -Wall will give you a "base" set of the most important warnings (the name exists for historical reasons), then once you've fixed those, -Wextra will add in some of the more useful modern warnings 07:36 oh so -Wextra gives some that -Wall doesn't give despite its name? 07:37 NH4 currently uses -Wall -Wextra [-Wold-style-definition -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith] minus the following (which have too many false positives in the vanilla codebase): -Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wno-implicit-fallthrough -Wno-unused-parameter -Wno-sign-compare, minus -Wno-format-truncation because I think it's misguided and NH4 triggers it intentionally sometimes 07:37 and yes, -Wall is a long way from "all" nowadays 07:37 clang has a -Weverything but many warnings would only be enabled for very specific types of project, so it's not that useful 07:38 I put [-Wold-style-definition -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith] in square brackets because they're coding style warnings, that warn about things that exist in NH3's coding style but not NH4's 07:38 so you wouldn't want to use them in an NH3 codebase 07:39 -Wno-implicit-fallthrough sounds potentially useful, I've had my share of fallthrough bugs in slex 07:41 well, -Wimplicit-fallthrough is how you turn it /on/ 07:41 -Wno-implicit-fallthrough turns it /off/, it gets turned on by either -Wall or -Wextra 07:42 ah 07:42 vanilla has enough intentional fallthroughs that -Wimplicit-fallthrough is just annoying, but I can see choosing to change those as a matter of coding style 07:43 there's an in-between setting with very modern gcc, -Wimplicit-fallthrough=2, which lets you put a comment "/* fall through */" or the like (the exact spelling isn't important) and then it won't warn about it 07:43 maybe I should try that on NH4 07:45 I'll try that for sure, because slex does have quite some intentional ones but may also still have unintentional ones that I should fix 07:49 that was added recently so your version of gcc might not have it; mine didn't at the time I came up with NH4's warning set 07:51 oh my god with -Wall and -Wextra it's throwing endless amounts of warnings 07:51 allmain.c:1288: warning: suggest parentheses around && within || 07:52 apply.c:2415: warning: control reaches end of non-void function 07:52 so many people get that && vs. || thing backwards 07:52 so the standard is to use parens so that you're sure it's the right way round 07:52 "control reaches end of non-void function" is genuinely bad, though, given that the function has to return something and the compiler has no idea what… 07:53 so I have to add a return statement there? 07:53 mhitm.c:243: warning: 'strike' might be used uninitialized in this function 07:53 also sounds quite dangerous... 07:54 yes, you need a return statement in the first acse 07:54 latter statement, you need to figure out what value the variable should have 07:54 although "might be used uninitialized" has the occasional false positive due to the control flow being too complex for the compiler to figure out 07:54 i.e. maybe it always /is/ initialized, the compiler just can't prove it 07:55 trap.c:4365: warning: statement with no effect 07:55 wtf 07:56 that's normally something like, you wrote an arithmetic expression but didn't do anything with the result 07:56 x + 2; 07:57 oh man it gave such endless amounts of warnings... once I get home, I can go on the huge mission to fix them all :D 07:57 makedefs.c:2692: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned 07:57 is that bad? 07:58 that line reads: for ( i = 0; i < strlen(in_line); i++ ) { 07:58 it doesn't always do what you'd expect 07:58 in this case it's probably OK because i is always positive 07:58 i is defined as an int, and I guess strlen is unsigned by default? 07:58 but if one of the numbers is negative, nobody can remember which way round the comparison's meant to go, so you're meant to write (signed) or (unsigned) explicitly to say what sort of comparison you want 07:58 right, strlen is unsigned 07:59 so you'd write (unsigned)i < strlen(in_line) or i < (signed)strlen(in_line) depending on what sort of < you wanted the compiler to generate 07:59 except, to make things more confusing, a string can be too long to fit into an int, so the latter would actually have to be (signed long)strlen(in_line) 07:59 that means that the former version is normally saner 08:00 either that, or you could change the type of i to size_t and not worry about conversions at all 08:00 but wouldn't that be an ultra long string, because int's maximum is 2^32-1? 08:00 yes 08:00 the thing about compiler warnings is, the compiler doesn't know what you're trying to do 08:01 for all it knows the string /could/ be super long 08:01 yeah 08:01 well, at least the compiler can tell me that there could potentially be a problem 08:01 what's up with decl.c:44: warning: missing initializerdecl.c:44: warning: (near initialization for `quest_status.met_leader') ? 08:01 that also appears several times... 08:02 the struct has more fields than actually get initialized 08:02 so the initialization only gets applied to the first few, the rest become 0 08:02 IIRC NetHack actually does that intentionally, but in more normal code it's typically a result of miscounting 08:03 NH4 uses -Wno-missing-field-initializers because of this 08:03 ah so it's nothing to worry about? 08:04 who knows, maybe the devteam (or you) /did/ miscount; but it's not necessarily something to be worried about 08:05 the proper fix for -Wmissing-field-initializers is C99 designated initializers 08:06 but using them will drop support for ancient compilers 08:10 alright so, my main question is, would having the "%s" string in a monster name be safe if I fix all the "format not a string literal and no format arguments" warnings? or are there still ways for it to crash even then? 08:11 if you fix them all, it should be safe 08:11 :) 08:11 after all, % isn't a special character, except to printf-alikes 08:11 err, this is assuming that all the printf-alike functions are correctly flagged in the code; it might be dangerous if you have a printf-alike that isn't marked a a printf-alike 08:12 also, slex used to have %s as part of a trap's name too, and wishing for that trap in wizmode would make it crash 08:19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%25s is a lot of fun (there was a long-running argument about whether [[%s]] on Wikipedia should redirect to [[Main Page]], because a bug in Firefox was redirecting some Wikipedia traffic to [[%s]]) 08:33 haha 08:33 if I click on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%s link on that page, nothing happens at all (I'm on internet explorer) 08:33 that said, if I click on the link that I just posted to the IRC, nothing happens either 08:34 anyway, gonna drive home now, will probably be back in an hour or so :) 08:34 hmm, tenbeers found a legit vanilla bug, seems like 08:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:41 xNetHack updated (all servers) 08:42 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 08:44 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:48 !tell krm26 hterm on hdf-us is working again 08:48 Will do, K2! 08:49 did anyone report that aklys crash or should I (reproduced it in xnh) 08:49 tenbeers mentioned it here 08:49 i need to see if it generated a coredump 08:52 <@Demo> how to replicate? 08:53 i see no coredump 08:53 did he say whether he was in curses mode or not? 08:53 I dont think he plays using curses 08:56 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 09:00 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 09:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 09:00 oh snap 09:00 heya Tangles 09:01 Hey K2 09:01 I got your email... Yes I am still alive! 09:02 \o/ 09:02 missed ya 09:02 you still on holiday? 09:03 I'm still in Queensland. Staying in a fairy dodgy looking hotel in a town called Warwick. Should be about 3 more days on the road. THen I'll be home. 09:03 nice 09:03 seedy hotels are fun 09:03 K2: I meant report to the devteam 09:03 aosdict ah 09:03 dunno 09:04 Yeah. It has a bed, electricity, and running water, so it's a step up from the last 10 nights or so. 09:05 ;) 09:05 nice to spend some time away from electronic though 09:05 the 4 days we camped/offroad last weekend was needed 09:06 sheared off my front half shaft at the cv joint but thats ok 09:06 <---- in permanent 2wd mode until i get it fixed 09:06 ouch! Sounds like you hit some serious terrain. 09:06 we did 09:07 jenn got some pics and videos, i'll share them once we do a file dump of her phone 09:07 Fraser Island is all sand. How bad can that be, right? I'll get some videos up when we get home. 09:07 hahah 09:07 its only sand they said. it'll be fine they said 09:10 <[Demo]> https://i.imgur.com/CHdgrK2.png yey, forest village level mostly done 09:12 Did not have too much damage. The other vehicle I was with bent a wheel rim when we were driving up the beach at night and he hit a creek crossing with a bit of a step on the exit that he didn't see early enough, and I half tore off my front license plate, also on a water crossing that got deeper than I expected :) 09:12 heh ;) 09:13 too bad we cant go wheeling together. that'd be a pretty penny shipping a vehicle half way around the world 09:14 oh yeah. 09:14 There's places you can rent them though. 09:14 but it's not the same 09:16 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 09:16 -!- livingstone.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ 'The November NetHack Tournament' build is now open for public beta testing, please see the tournament menu for details 09:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 09:16 !ping 09:16 K2: Pong! 09:18 heh crap 09:19 try to start a splicehack 0.6.0 game, get 'Version mismatch for file "dungeon".' 09:19 and kicked back to dgl menu 09:19 hmm 09:20 that's all in the 'nhdat' file, or equivalent, isn't it? 09:20 yup 09:21 making sure i didnt fat finger something the dgl conf or installl script 09:21 looks good so far 09:22 and i made sure to edit/re-run the hints file for new version 09:23 weird 09:24 gonna recompile 09:24 make clean and all that 09:26 same error 09:27 configs on my end are good 09:27 older 0.5.1 games load no prob 09:29 3 .des files changed 09:29 in this pull 09:30 the dungeon structure changed also 09:30 the void was re-added 09:31 !tell AntiGulp on loading 0.6.0 get this error - Version mismatch for file "dungeon" - game won't load. having a look at Makefiles to see what might be missing 09:31 Will do, K2! 09:32 hmm 09:32 void is in there 09:33 and 5 .des file edits, not 3 09:33 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 09:34 void, yendor, tower, gehennom and one i dont recognize (Drag.des) 09:34 oh and knox.des 09:34 so 6 09:35 Drag.des is missing from makefile.dat 09:35 I don't think des file edits are the problem - those don't cause version mismatches. 09:35 no wait there it is under quest levels 09:35 aosdict if makefile is missing a .des entry, it can throw that kind of error on load 09:35 seen it before with slex 09:38 its like the executable is trying to use a different nhdat file 09:38 re-ran the makefile setup script, recompiling 09:39 same error 09:39 wtf 09:40 !tell AntiGulp makefiles look fine. not sure what's cauing the version mismatch error with 'dungeon' 09:40 Will do, K2! 09:41 can i have a fucking day without an error or something not working 09:42 i just want one full day where everything just works 09:42 * K2 sighs 09:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "the greased fireproof +3 holy mitre of holiness", on T:34934 09:44 take a vacation, then there's nothing that can break 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "the greased fireproof holy amulet of reflection", on T:34987 09:46 I should remember to wish for "holy" instead of "blessed", much more stylish. 09:47 * K2 wishes for a young priest and an old priest 09:48 K2: In patchlevel.h you did not change VERSION_MAJOR, VERSION_MINOR, etc. 09:48 antigulp did 09:48 oh 09:48 OH 09:48 that bit 09:48 hahah 09:48 or antigulp didn't, maybe... 09:49 right 09:49 i looked at her edits to that file 09:49 i think its incomplete 09:49 and i didnt catch it 09:49 yeah she only did the version compatability part 09:49 whew ok 09:49 easy 09:50 you in there editing? ;) 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:35305 09:50 yeah sorry 09:50 no, that's ok. dont want to edit something you're already in 09:50 I'm out now. I'll let you fix it. 09:51 heh 09:51 gotta earn my keep 09:52 Anyway. I'm off to bed now. Long day tomorrow. I'll check back in a couple of days. 09:53 'night. 09:56 see ya Tangles, gnite 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:12925 09:57 ok splicehack 0.6.0 working 09:58 hmm, patchlevel.h's VERSION_COMPATIBILITY seems to be 0.6.0-8 for some reason? 09:59 !tell AntiGulp Tangles figured it out, patchlevel.h is misconfigured. VERSON_MINOR, PATCHLEVEL and EDITLEVEL need to match what you changed in VERSON_COMPATABILITY. i've manually edited it here to get it to load 09:59 Will do, K2! 09:59 K2: I'm going to submit a pull request so it can be solved in one click. I can't locally build it either right now :) 10:00 ok ;) 10:01 oh wait I don't have a splicehack fork 10:01 time to make one :) 10:02 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:03 @luxidream you can play new splicehack now on hdf-us, working on updating other 2 servers 10:03 oh wait I *can't* make a splicehack fork because it's already a fork of nethack 10:04 !tell AntiGulp please move splicehack to a standalone repository, I can't fork it and make pull requests based on it :( 10:04 Will do, aosdict! 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:36066 10:06 i'm performing a server migration tonight (windows 2012 to windows 2016) 10:07 i'm wondering how many issues will arise 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:36222 10:28 [hdf-us] [fh] Knave (knaveightt) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 23408 points, T:1236, quit 10:29 -!- Muad has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:35 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 10:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law), 354944 points, T:38196, crushed to death by an exploding drawbridge 10:40 -!- JFDkthxOR has joined #hardfought 10:40 -!- JFDkthxOR has quit [K-Lined] 10:41 oh man 10:41 been there/done that :( 10:42 the most metal way to die 10:42 no wait 10:42 what's a multi_reason that could be added to that to make it even more awesome 10:43 crushed to death by an exploding drawbridge, while hurtling through the air, perhaps 10:53 while taking a refreshing nap :D 11:05 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:13 Velkommen k2, welcome to SpliceHack! You are a lawful nonbinary dwarven Valkyrie. 11:13 lol 11:14 SpliceHack updated (all servers) 11:14 ^ new version, 0.6.0 11:19 -!- nooodle_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 -!- nooodle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20 <@Theyflower> yeet 11:21 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 11:22 <@kritixilithos> K2: so are you octal or hex? 11:23 hah 11:23 i am googleplex 11:23 -!- bod_Er has joined #hardfought 11:23 -!- bod_Er has quit [K-Lined] 11:23 no i am googleplex 11:25 you are both a group of buildings in mountain view, california? 11:25 googleplex != googolplex 11:25 you know what a google is yes? 11:25 before it became the name of a search engine 11:26 the number is spelled googol 11:26 well fuck 11:27 @kritixilithos I am a googolplex 11:27 and damn you aosdict with your facts and correct spellings 11:28 * aosdict falls into Gehennom 11:28 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28 you bumped Chris_ANG out of hell to make room for you 11:28 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 11:29 aos is using his dict 11:29 not funny dude 11:30 sorry 11:30 hah, this is funny. found this quote online 11:30 In the PBS science program Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, Episode 9: "The Lives of the Stars", astronomer and television personality Carl Sagan estimated that writing a googolplex in full decimal form (i.e., "10,000,000,000...") would be physically impossible, since doing so would require more space than is available in the known universe. 11:32 i want googolplex bit encryption 11:33 the entire universe would bluescreen if that happened 11:33 trying to make that key 11:33 and thus, amy aka bluescreen ascends to infinite power 11:34 fleecy 11:34 god would be like 'ah what's this? time to reboot' and then amy shows up 11:34 <@Theyflower> Build a Dyson sphere around the plane of fire 11:34 ^ that 11:42 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 11:51 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:52 <@kritixilithos> K2: base-googolplex sounds useless 11:53 YASI: googlem as a new golem-class monster 11:54 @kritixilithos pfft 11:56 yasi: a googleplex level with monsters arranged to form the words Google all over like the watermark on google's street view 12:02 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:04 web-based RC config editor is up now for 'The November NetHack Tournament' build 12:05 ^ PavelB 12:06 Ty 12:09 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:17 <@kritixilithos> GOOGL'EM: Greased Outlandish Opportunist's Guide to Legends: Extended Magic 12:22 [hdf-us] [slshm] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 174 points, T:345, killed by a rabbit 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:6756 12:37 -!- Guest56868 has joined #hardfought 12:37 -!- Guest56868 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:42 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:02 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:06 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:07 <@IceBox> will nymphs ever permanently dissappear? 13:07 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:07 <@shadowsapex> huh? 13:08 <@IceBox> like they're teleporting all over the place, do they ever leave a level permanently 13:08 <@shadowsapex> they shouldn't 13:08 <@IceBox> one of them stole a ton of stuff from me, including a wand of make invis so cant see them 13:08 they can use stairs, trapdoors or level teleporters 13:09 <@shadowsapex> maybe try to get telepathy 13:10 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:14 <@IceBox> yeah, they just really took a lot from me, haha 13:14 <@IceBox> definitely gotta shoot for telepathy though 13:15 <@Theyflower> If you genocide a monster do the existing ones leave corpses? 13:15 <@shadowsapex> yeah 13:15 <@Theyflower> Blessed Geno n 13:16 <@shadowsapex> terrible little creatures 13:16 <@shadowsapex> I kill em with fire every time I see them and it's worked out so far 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Kni Hum Mal Law), 15650 points, T:10349, killed by a gray unicorn 13:18 <@IceBox> eff nethack sometimes, fuckin nymphs 13:19 <@shadowsapex> hey well, your suffering's over 13:20 There should be some sort of bonus for fighting a nymph totally naked and carying nothing. 13:22 <@shadowsapex> the nymph feels bad and gives you the hand mirror 13:23 maybe a health bonus like nurses, but you have to drop everything in your inventory, not just get naked 13:24 -!- kozet__ has joined #hardfought 13:25 <@IceBox> haha yeah if only 13:25 <@IceBox> is there a way to look back further in the message log? 13:25 <@IceBox> there was a moment where the nymph stole a TON from me all at once and i wasn't sure why 13:25 K2: can confirm internet issues lastnight were totally my router being dumb. 13:25 gotcha 13:25 <@IceBox> i assume maybe i had a wand or sleep or a potion of paralysis and they took that and used it on me really quickly? 13:25 that's going around of late 13:26 got hterm working again on hdf-us 13:26 now trying to solve receiving email issue - found out my isp is blocking port 25 at their level, not modem level 13:27 so set up a reflector, but the reflector keeps timing out accessing the port i have open (verified the port is good to go) 13:27 postfix is finicky 13:27 i did find and correct a TLS/SSL issue tho hah 13:28 Im on a crusade to eradicate smtp from existence so no sympathy here :) 13:28 heheh 13:29 any messages i receive in the future, I expect a demon to come running up and hand me a stamped scroll 13:29 make it happen bouquet 13:30 I like that idea! 13:32 its gotta purposely look for crowds to run through and push them out of the way 13:37 <@Tone> @IceBox If a nymph takes your armor then they keep stealing stuff while you are removing your armor 13:37 <@Tone> They can end up taking a lot of stuff 13:37 <@IceBox> haha they sure can 13:38 <@Tone> I always regret not taking nymphs seriously enough 13:38 <@Tone> They can cause a lot of bad problems 13:39 <@Tone> Had one steal a frost horn from me the other day, was lucky to survive that encounter 13:39 <@Demo> would it be potentially unbalanced to hand out a cursed bell on dlvl 4? 13:40 <@Theyflower> What do cursed bell do 13:42 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:47 cursed bell can summon a nymph 13:53 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:54 hmm 13:54 telia having some issues in this region maybe? 13:58 -!- hf_guest_19044 has joined #hardfought 14:00 -!- hf_guest_19044 has quit [Client Quit] 14:00 !who 14:00 K2: [hdf-us] KaiHerd [slshm] docholi [nh362] hypnotist [nh362] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 14:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:38, on T:48181 14:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:48183 14:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:48606 14:10 @Theyflower If you genocide something, it'll drop whatever it's carrying, but it won't leave a corpse, and all tins of it will afterwards turn out to be empty. Strangely, it doesn't do anything to existing corpses, and stone to fleshing statues of the thing will create a corpse of the thing. 14:13 [hdf-us] [slshm] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 6028 points, T:4391, killed by a raven 14:24 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Ran Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 15 arrows named !c on an altar, on T:6608 14:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:51 -!- kozet__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19541 15:12 <@bugsniper> yani for fiqhack: monsters should apply mirrors at you if you're an umber hulk 15:14 heh 15:15 !who 15:15 K2: [hdf-us] IceBox [nh362] hypnotist [nh362] samiam [nh362] docholi [nh362] Luxidream [spl] Bard [nh343] krm26 [fh] knaveightt [fh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 15:16 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) had Pridwen bestowed upon them by Johnny, on T:7076 15:16 @luxidream how's 0.6.0 so far? or are you still on a 0.5.1 game? 15:21 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) made their first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:7927 15:21 <@Luxidream> K2: seems alright so far 15:21 <@Luxidream> I am trying out the new cartomancer 15:22 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:23 Johnny just seems like a weird god name. 15:23 <@Luxidream> it's a joke 15:23 <@Luxidream> yugioh 15:24 I know 15:26 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp the current implementation of card rarities doesn't allow you to see the actual scroll label 15:26 Will do, @Luxidream! 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a gray dragon, on T:20899 15:31 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp enemies with wands of healing have unlimited charges 15:31 Will do, @Luxidream! 15:31 hey cool 15:31 apparently sporkhack decided to create the unsolvable (at least without digging) level 15:31 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:31 http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1538681470138.png - already searched 20 times in all spots 15:32 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp please help I can't get around this invincible desert jinn 15:32 Will do, @Luxidream! 15:34 Luxidream: just peeked at the code and apparently it re-uses potion of healing code, i.e. it neither checks whether the wand has charges (they could even zap a cancelled one successfully) nor does it reduce the charge count 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] IceBox (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3004 15:35 <@Luxidream> !AntiGulp the current card rarity implementation overrides naming the scroll, preventing you from type naming 15:35 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp the current card rarity implementation overrides naming the scroll, preventing you from type naming 15:35 Will do, @Luxidream! 15:36 <@Luxidream> LarienTelrunya: seriously?? lol 15:36 yeah, copy and paste most probably 15:36 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:37 <@Luxidream> that could be really aggravating later. maybe I should wish for grayswandir 15:37 not vorpal blade? that would at least prevent the endless healing 5% of the time you hit ;) 15:39 <@Luxidream> maybe I'll kill sam and get thiefbane for the endgame 15:39 <@Luxidream> that's an idea 15:39 or... you could just wait until it's patched? 15:40 I'd say "play slex bundlebundlebundleling" but sadly the version that allows player character alias names isn't deployed yet ;) 15:40 will have to do some more work on that version first 15:41 that said, Luxidream you should bundlebundlebundle AntiGulp to pull slex's alias name thingy so you can name splicehack chars too ♥ 15:42 <[Demo]> thats a thing now? 15:42 <[Demo]> yey! 15:42 [Demo]: in the development version, yes 15:42 <[Demo]> does it actually work? 15:42 <[Demo]> how broken is it? 15:42 actually: Chris_ANG: pull slex's feature that allows you to name your characters even when you're playing on the server! *bundlebundlebundle* ;) 15:43 [Demo]: it was crashy at first but then I disallowed using % or other weird glyphs in the names and now it works 15:43 <[Demo]> im gonna wait for it to be playtested before i try to pll it into ndnh 15:44 hopefully there are no heisenbugs! 15:44 -!- hf_guest_31340 has joined #hardfought 15:45 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp you should nerf the wand of poison gas, the poison clouds would make it an instadeath for anyone without poison resistance 15:45 Will do, @Luxidream! 15:46 she's gonna get a luxistorm :D 15:46 the scientific terminology is named after the recipient, not the sender 15:46 "ais523storm" "Chris_ANGstorm" etc 15:47 :) 15:48 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) had Sonicboom bestowed upon them by Johnny, on T:12580 15:50 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp why does sonicboom destroy items in my inventory when I attack 15:50 Will do, @Luxidream! 15:50 damn fountains 15:50 -!- hf_guest_31340 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 15:55 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13803 16:01 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:01 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:15760 16:10 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) had Gleipnir bestowed upon them by Johnny, on T:19172 16:16 <[Demo]> go johnny go! 16:18 read that as sleipnir and was like "Whoa! Gods can grant you unique pets in splice?" 16:18 YANI: ^ 16:18 <@shadowsapex> minion 16:22 -!- JefeRU has joined #hardfought 16:22 -!- JefeRU has quit [K-Lined] 16:35 <@bugsniper> Why is it a tart that throws Excalibur and not the lady of the lake or fountain? 16:41 <@Tone> It's a Monty Python reference 16:42 someone link bugsniper the scene 16:43 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE 16:46 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Dal Zethire, on T:31921 16:46 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp Dal Zethire starts over lava and dies instantly 16:46 Will do, @Luxidream! 16:47 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32012 16:48 <@Theyflower> Luxi as someone who has played a bit of Smogon ou in the past few years I'm genuinely glad you changed your disco avatar from bloody lando t 16:49 <@Luxidream> sorry it was supposed to be a placeholder but I completely forgot to replace it 16:49 <@Luxidream> I have avatars turned off 16:55 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp ...somehow I think you didn't mean to put thirty fountains on the home level. is that supposed to be water? 16:55 Will do, @Luxidream! 16:57 <@Demo> there is (or was) an Un big room with 700+ fountains 17:00 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:03 <@Luxidream> I'd like to know the odds of getting a wish from that 17:05 -!- slicehack has joined #hardfought 17:08 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) had Final Death bestowed upon them by Johnny, on T:35811 17:08 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:12 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 17:13 !who 17:13 bouquet: [hdf-us] knavery [nh362] Luxidream [spl] Bard [nh343] | [hdf-eu] docholi [nh362] Graznop [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 17:15 <@Demo> 7.some or so 17:15 <@Demo> but it's un wishes 17:15 <@Demo> so useless 17:15 -!- tenbeers has joined #hardfought 17:16 !hello 17:16 tenbeers: Messages from raisse and K2 have been forwarded to you privately. 17:16 Hello tenbeers, Welcome to #hardfought 17:16 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Johnny, on T:38314 17:18 -!- kozet__ has joined #hardfought 17:19 K2, thanks for the recovery! 17:20 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:22 don't throw any more aklyses while engulfed, kay? 17:23 ever? 17:23 I've been waiting all this time to learn the plural of aklys. 17:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:48970 17:24 well until devteam fixes it 17:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:48974 17:24 you speak wisdom 17:25 man, when it rains it pours... you get an early wish, you go with SDSM, sure enough you end up with Reflect-oban and also a free silver shield sitting around on level 10. 17:26 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28 looks like my aklys vanished anyway! I paid the price! 17:28 glad I didn't enchant that thing 17:28 gotta go dive for another, though, it's skilled... 17:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:46, on T:49380 17:29 <@IceBox> i never get SDSM over GDSM, maybe i haven't burned enough by rays though 17:30 <@IceBox> only time i've done that is as a monk when i was confident i could get through the quest before encountering any real danger 17:30 <@IceBox> since the quest arti gives MR 17:30 i go back and forth. lately a lot of GDSM on me 17:30 the dilemma is always : (1) I almost always find more than one source of reflection but (2) I rarely find such things early enough to avoid many deaths by gnome-with-wand 17:31 <@IceBox> ah you're talking even before minetown? 17:31 well, at Minetown in this case. a lamp 17:31 i could have waited and made an ultimately better choice, but at possible cost of life 17:32 <@IceBox> yeah very fair 17:32 <@IceBox> i do tend to throw away my early wish games with cockiness 17:32 the kind of decision that I make on the GDSM side on classes/roles I'm used to, but not yet on Arc! 17:32 <@IceBox> and getting an item that doesn't strictly help me right at that moment 17:32 I know that feeling ;__; 17:32 though less and less over time 17:34 [hdf-us] [sp] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had a silver dagger bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3966 17:35 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 17:36 [hdf-us] [sp] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had a dagger bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4085 17:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:32, on T:50084 17:40 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 17:41 [hdf-us] [sp] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 3656 points, T:4297, killed by an orcish arrow 17:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:42871 17:47 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum Mal Law) killed One-Eyed Sam the Arms Dealer, on T:42911 17:48 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:54 <@Luxidream> hey when did I become male?? 17:58 maybe when you turned into a MMF? 17:59 [hdf-us] [slshm] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1851 points, T:1319, killed by a kitten, while helpless 18:00 <@Demo> ok wtf 18:00 nice, I found Schroedinger's Cat. haven't had one for a couple of years 18:00 too bad this time he's dead and I don't have Turn Undead. unless it't this no-effect wand here... hmm 18:01 omg it IS 18:02 yay! I have tamed Schroedinger's cat for maybe only my 2nd or 3rd time 18:02 now ascend with him 18:02 if only... 18:02 maybe if I bring his cat carrier along ;) 18:02 YASI: cat carriers that you can use to - hey! 18:02 <@Demo> i dont think im splicehack's demographic 18:02 <@Demo> just looking at the default config 18:02 well, that's what the large box carried by the Quantum Mechanic was, I suppose. 18:02 I should have tamed the Q and let HIM carry the cat. 18:03 @Demographic? :) 18:03 lol Demo, now I'm curious 18:04 <@Demo> first of all it doesnt work full screen, its curses, and it has numberpad on 18:04 <@Demo> and then you have to question why there isnt a gender neutral word for priests and then you gotta figure out who the hell johnny is 18:05 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo2 (Car Ang NB Law), 237 points, T:460, killed by a couatl of Johnny, while praying 18:05 I need a magic whistle, bad. 18:05 a couatl of Johnny :D 18:09 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo2 (Dra Ang NB Law), 159 points, T:546, killed by the wrath of Enki 18:25 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) entered Gehennom, on T:47294 18:28 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp the wraith paralyzing stare works through blindfolds 18:28 Will do, @Luxidream! 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Hum Mal Neu) murdered Darth Hund, his faithful large dog, on T:21565 18:30 oh, Cleaver. 18:31 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp not the wraith, nosferatu or whatever 18:31 Will do, @Luxidream! 18:35 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:48221 18:37 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp it also works through walls, as long as the nosferatu is somewhere on the level 18:37 Will do, @Luxidream! 18:41 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) wished for "uncursed fixed greased magic marker", on T:48569 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22741 18:43 \m/ 18:43 -!- uniusz has joined #hardfought 18:43 hello friends o/ 18:43 \o 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:22935 18:45 :[ 18:45 Why ":[", dragon isnt good ? 18:45 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) performed their first genocide (class L), on T:49415 18:45 just that this form used to be my scale mail 18:45 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) genocided class V, on T:49416 18:46 but at least I have a luckstone now :) 18:46 What that form change gives you ? 18:46 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) genocided class h, on T:49424 18:47 ? 18:47 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) genocided class R, on T:49426 18:47 I am a dragon now instead of a human wearing dragon scales. 18:47 kind of nice to have a breath weapon though 18:48 That action will give you any bonuses after past ? 18:48 ... and such big teeth. 18:48 And how long you will be that dragon ? 18:48 it will stop after several hundred turns (somewhat randomized) or when I lose all HP. 18:48 oh, so its nice 18:48 its like second life ;p 18:48 no bonuses will remain when I revert to human. And my suit of scales was consumed in the process. 18:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) wished for "uncursed greased fixed magic marker", on T:49469 18:49 the main issue is the loss of great armor. 18:49 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) genocided class Q, on T:49477 18:49 You choose to be a dragon and its random ? 18:49 !players 18:49 uniusz: [hdf-us] elron [slshm] KaiHerd [slshm] tenbeers [nh362] Luxidream [spl] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Graznop [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 18:49 no, I did not choose this. 18:50 i see, okay 18:50 how do you change ? 18:50 it happened because I walked into a polymorph trap. 18:51 oh, ok 18:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:51519 18:51 What role do you play ? 18:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:51520 18:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor in the End Game, on T:51521 18:51 when you re not a dragon ofc 18:51 :) 18:51 oh wait, I forgot one good thing. I do get to keep the scales, but they are no longer magical scale mail. I have to convert them again using a scroll, when I can find one. 18:51 tenbeers your game ok? 18:51 for this game I am an Archaeologist. 18:52 yes K2! thanks so much. 18:52 np 18:52 the aklys was nowhere to be found but 'twas okay, i grabbed another off the rack 18:52 heh 18:52 Okay 18:52 outta the cellar 18:52 Before i watched a gameplay of ranger, i never played this role but looks pretty fun 18:53 it can be fun. it takes some extra work to manage weapons and projectiles. 18:53 but it can be powerful if you're careful. 18:53 and its able to use sword&bow by turns 18:54 K2, by the way, you saved a game in which I eventually charmed Schroedinger's Cat. Good show! 18:54 (and it continues now, thanks) 18:55 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) genocided class P, on T:49593 18:55 nice 18:55 K2: My tty's and dumplogs of played games are saved on server and can be wieved in userdata at website, but how much of it can be stored there ? In which momment they start to be removed ? 18:55 a special rarety 18:56 uniusz: never 18:57 K2: oh, okay :) 18:58 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp legendary lichen corpses are still rotting in my bag 18:58 Will do, @Luxidream! 18:58 How Luxidream know to which class monster belonges ? I mean he/her genocides by class, L,Q,h,R etc... how to check what classess exist in game and what monsters belongs to which one ? 18:58 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed the Ancient Brain, on T:50090 18:59 you can't, you need to check the wiki or source. 19:00 you just know after playing a lot 19:00 omg she killed the Ancient Brainnnn 19:00 aosdict: But wiki can show me site of whole class ? 19:00 splicehack is fairly new 19:01 wiki may not have accurate data on that variant 19:01 or incomplete, especially now 19:01 <@Luxidream> she? 19:01 this new version has new monsters 19:01 <@Tone> I liked how in 1.3d you could pick a letter and it would tell you what monster it was 😄 19:01 yes she 19:01 i dont ask about splicehack 19:01 im asking about 362 19:01 then the wiki will have the info you're looking for 19:02 or you can source dive the code 19:02 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) wished for "blessed greased spellbook of magic mapping", on T:50487 19:02 but i think its more fun to just play and discover as you go 19:02 And i have another question, what is purpose of that Luxidream "!tell" command ? She write that command in-game ? And how she view our messages if she is not on the chat ? 19:03 @Luxidream's gender is now officially ambiguous 19:04 compounded by the fact that that cartomancer started nonbinary... 19:04 the bot can store and relay !tell messages to people that communicate here via the discord relay 19:05 rld is the discord relay 19:05 but I thought it stood for Remote Language Daemon ;) 19:06 what discord relay ? 19:06 discord is chat like irc ? 19:06 i am forcfully not typing the 2-3 very inappropriate comments I have about what 'rld' stands for 19:06 haha 19:06 ;) 19:06 discord is kind of chat like irc ? 19:06 yes. 19:06 <@Tone> heh 😄 19:06 uniusz 19:06 and it has a channel that is remotely linked to this one via this bot. 19:06 https://discordapp.com/ 19:07 its irc for people who like shiny things 19:07 like cats 19:07 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Medusa, on T:51016 19:07 <@Luxidream> "The cat drinks a potion of reflection! The cat is covered with a silvery sheen." 19:07 ok i'm going over to my neighbors house to drink 19:07 bbl 19:07 ok thanks 19:08 i prefer my weechat <3 ^^ 19:08 <@Tone> later 19:08 thanks again, K2. 19:08 irssi ftw 19:10 gah. when you can't buy protection in Minetown because there's no shopkeeper who wants gems 19:10 and your cash is all in mineral form 19:10 "just a minor setback!" 19:10 i use irssi for almost begin of my using linux, and just not far ago i switch to weechat 19:11 becouse of that scripting options ;p 19:12 What is best meele weapon for ranger, dagger or javelin ? 19:12 <@Luxidream> I'm nonbinary why am I being seduced 19:13 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed the invisible Malcanthet, on T:51510 19:14 uni: dagger because it's good to train the skill of using it so you can throw more of them when you also use them as a ranged weapon. 19:14 javelins are rare 19:14 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Juiblex, on T:51580 19:16 tenbeers: but i think rangers more rely on arrows,bolts for ranged attack... 19:16 yes, but you should read the strategy section of the Ranger page in the wiki. 19:16 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed the invisible Mephisto, on T:51752 19:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:51841 19:17 it is good to save arrows (which break easily at first) until you can bless and enchant a very large stack. 19:18 i see, thanks for that tip 19:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:51900 19:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:51919 19:20 <@Luxidream> !tell AntiGulp Alucard didn't spawn 19:20 Will do, @Luxidream! 19:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:51940 19:21 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:52298 19:21 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52299 19:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:51958 19:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:51963 19:23 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Orcus, on T:52566 19:23 The worst thing about unintended polymorph is I lost my robe. 19:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:51978 19:24 and it's time to cast Identify. 19:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:51985 19:26 <@Luxidream> aosdict: your introduction message for the wizard of yendor is prefaced by meaningless gibberish 19:26 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:52973 19:26 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:52975 19:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:52007 19:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:52007 19:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:52021 19:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Ptah, on T:52027 19:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:52029 19:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) woke the rulers of Gehennom by performing the invocation, on T:53038 19:28 woo, bouquet is busy 19:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:53048 19:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:52034 19:29 Its generally good tactics for rogue to use 2 kinds of weapons, 2weapon combat crysknife & elven-dagger for meele and cossbow with normal and poisonous bolts for ranged ? 19:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:52041 19:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:52043 19:29 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:53194 19:29 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:53195 19:30 Btw, when im using 2 weapons combat, with crysknife and elven dagger, then knife & dagger skills will be counted to damage or when i use 2weapons combat then knife & dagger skills will no matter and only 2weapons combat skill will be counted ? 19:30 <@Luxidream> you can twoweapon the crysknife with another crysknife 19:31 <@Luxidream> twoweapon uses the lower of the weapon skills involved and the twoweapon skill 19:31 gonna have to wrap this tour of astral up later 19:31 <@Luxidream> so if you are basic twoweapon swinging expert long swords 19:31 <@Luxidream> you are basic 19:31 <@Luxidream> *you hit as basic 19:31 bouquet it looks like quite a tour 19:31 back in a few hours 19:32 uniusz, https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Twoweapon#Two_weapon_combat_skill 19:32 Luxidream and when im using 2weapon combat only my 2weapon combat skill icreasing or weapon which is used like dagger skill or knife skill will increase also ? 19:32 ok 19:32 ill reed there 19:32 Lixudream, yeah i can twoweapon with 2 crysknife, but i can also do it with crysknife & elven dagger, but 2 crysknifes will do more damage ? 19:33 <@Luxidream> crysknife is stronger than elven dagger 19:34 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:53649 19:36 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 19:36 ok 19:36 i cannot read in wiki. when im using 2weapons im raising only 2weapon combat skill or also particular weapon like knife skill ? 19:36 I’ve been busy and haven’t had time to do more than glance at the logs, but from what I gather I broke some important things. I apolagize. 19:36 AntiGulp: Messages from @Luxidream, LarienTelrunya, K2, and aosdict have been forwarded to you privately. 19:37 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:53975 19:37 Thanks for the 25 messages, Beholder. 19:40 <@Luxidream> segfault rip 19:40 aaaaaagh 19:40 <@Luxidream> !tell K2 halp spl segfault 19:40 Will do, @Luxidream! 19:41 <@Luxidream> every time I'm on ascension run there's a segfault 19:41 <@Luxidream> lol 19:41 heh 19:41 K2: Message from @Luxidream at 2018-10-04 19:40 EDT: halp spl segfault 19:42 <@Luxidream> can I have another shot? I won't read that scroll of time this time 19:42 propably i only raise 2weapon combat skill... and im not raising weapon skill when im using 2 weapons.That is what im think 19:42 I just wanted to eat my spaghetti, now I’m trying to fix spaghetti code. What sort of weird irony is this 19:42 @Luxidream i see the game files, give me a couple min, will recover 19:42 <@Luxidream> kk 19:42 <@Luxidream> thanks K2! 19:42 <@Luxidream> and antigulp for fixing things 19:43 game recovered 19:44 AntiGulp - there's a coredump 19:44 one sec 19:44 K2 Ooooh thank you 19:45 <@Luxidream> and demogorgon mysteriously became covetous after recovery 19:45 AntiGulp - http://termbin.com/0m5p 19:46 Hmmm seems like more broken cartomancer stuff 19:46 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) slew Demogorgon, on T:54597 19:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Dispater, on T:54885 19:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) entered the Planes, on T:54988 19:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54988 19:48 AntiGulp sorry it took a few days to get 0.6.0 live 19:48 its been a very busy week 19:48 shit keeps breaking 19:49 K2: No problem! I know the feeling, I’ve been absolutely swamped this week (and now my shit is broken too) 19:49 ugh 19:50 !tell aosdict Standalone repository here: https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack-NetHack 19:50 Will do, AntiGulp! 19:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Famine, on T:55339 19:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Famine, on T:55353 19:54 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Famine, on T:55380 19:55 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Death, on T:55420 19:55 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law) killed Death, on T:55434 19:56 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum NB Law), 1982562 points, T:55454, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/splicehack/dumplog/1538664643.splice.txt 19:56 *clap clap clap* 19:56 <@Luxidream> Luxidream, lawful nonbinary human (null) 19:59 what "nonbinary" means ? 20:04 uniusz: The brief definition would be someone who does not identify as either strictly male or strictly female. 20:04 mhm, okay ^^ 20:04 i see 20:05 Luxidream: Scrolls of knowledge make magic markers too powerful, in my opinion. If you have identified a scroll of knowledge, you can potentially write any scroll in the entire game, or just write a bunch to ID all the late game items and then ignore identification for the rest of the game (source: Have done this myself). 20:05 damn its 02:00 ? ;O damn, its always like this... At time 23:00 i decide that i want go to play nethack, and now its 02:00 and i dont play one turn becouse im reading, reading and reading more about game/play 20:06 so 3h of reading and 0 minutes of playing xd 20:06 uniusz: Happens to us all :D 20:06 reading about nethack taking me so much time comparing to game... 20:06 That was my experience when I tried learning dwarf fortress. 20:07 <@Luxidream> AntiGulp: right, but at the end of the game, I have never had a reason to do that, outside of scrolls of charging and genocide 20:07 grats @Luxidream 20:07 <@Luxidream> thanks K2 20:07 AntiGulp, really ? I thought that its only my case that im loosing myself in reading and spend hours on that and dont even know when that time passes ;p 20:07 its good to know that im not only one ^^ 20:07 <@Luxidream> for anything aside from scrolls you would have to actually have the item for the identification to be useful 20:08 <@Luxidream> and there is no shortage of identify scrolls late in the game 20:08 but in fact im finding pleasure in even reading about game 20:08 :) 20:08 Luxidream: My concern is more midgame. I’ve gotten a magic marker midgame and used it to essentially id everything I would ever care about for the future. 20:08 uniusz: I’m glad! :D 20:10 but 3 hours is enough for now, no more reading, want to play also ! ^^ 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:23901 20:11 <@Luxidream> I think there are uses for markers that better increase your survivability than that 20:11 <@Luxidream> like writing a ton of enchant armor or enchant weapon 20:13 wich of these two roles does much meele damage ranger or rogue ? 20:13 Luxidream: Probably, but it still felt like a loophole to be closed. 20:14 <@Luxidream> uniusz: ranger 20:14 kk, thanks 20:14 <@shadowsapex> what? 20:15 <@shadowsapex> I'd say rogue 20:15 Luxidream Ranger with meele dagger ? 20:15 <@shadowsapex> though both prefer range 20:15 yeah, but which one does more meele damage and which what weapon ? 20:15 <@Luxidream> ranger has higher starting strength 20:16 <@Luxidream> better ranged weapon as well 20:16 <@Tone> 'grats @Luxidream 😄 20:17 <@Tone> How is the Scroll of Knowledge currently implemented? 20:17 <@Luxidream> learn the appearance of one item 20:17 <@Luxidream> two if blessed 20:18 <@Tone> Seems like either upping the ink required or making it unwritable would be a way to balance it for markers 20:18 <@Luxidream> I don’t think it’s good to write them aside from charging and genocide 20:18 -!- Guest74235 has joined #hardfought 20:18 -!- Guest74235 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19 Tone: That’s what I did. Writing it results in “You can’t write something you don’t know!” (credit to aosdict) 20:19 <@Tone> What is their ink cost currently? 20:19 but i think rogue with 2weapon combat and magicbane & elven broadsword/silver dagger will do more damage 20:19 <@Tone> or what was it, rather :P 20:19 than ranger with elven dagger in meele 20:19 <@Luxidream> uniusz: you have to get to the end game to worry about 2 weapon 20:19 <@Luxidream> ranger has better starting damage and equipment 20:19 But anyway, wielded dagger is best option for meele as ranger ? 20:20 Tone: It was the same as identify, which was (imo) way too low. 20:20 <@Tone> No uniusz 20:20 <@Tone> Oh sorry I thought you were still talking about rogues 20:20 <@Tone> answer is probably still No though 20:20 K2: I fixed all the bugs Luxidream found and fixed Patchlevel.h as well. I gotta get back to making dinner now. 20:20 Can you make me straight then ? 20:20 if no dagger, then what ? 20:21 <@Luxidream> use dagger at the beginning of the game 20:21 <@Tone> Depends what you find 20:21 <@Luxidream> then switch to whatever artifact you get 20:21 <@Luxidream> or highly enchanted weapon 20:21 like magicbane 20:21 AntiGulp ok cool 20:21 <@Tone> uniusz: This is what they can use proficiently https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Ranger#Skills 20:21 i should switch to dagger artifact 20:21 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 20:21 right ? 20:22 <@Tone> I'm not a fan of magicbane 20:22 <@Luxidream> you don’t have a choice of what artifact you get 20:22 <@Tone> You'll probably get a decent longsword from your god eventually 20:22 <@Luxidream> hey magicbane is great 20:22 she didnt push to master branch yet hah 20:22 but ranger cant get good skill at long sword 20:22 -!- GramnerBz has joined #hardfought 20:22 -!- GramnerBz has quit [K-Lined] 20:22 <@Tone> When you are granted an artifact, its skill becomes unrestricted for your character 20:22 <@Tone> which means you can raise it to basic 20:23 <@Luxidream> What’s bad about magicbane tone 20:23 oh 20:23 <@Tone> It's probably better than I give it credit 20:23 so when i get long sword artifact 20:23 then i can get expert in long sword as ranger 20:23 ? 20:23 <@Tone> I never used it for years for some reason though 20:24 oh, just to basic ? 20:24 <@Tone> No, just basic 20:24 its not much 20:24 so propably long sword isnt best choice for ranger 20:24 <@Luxidream> skill doesn’t matter that much 20:24 <@Tone> It's good enough for mid- to end-game 20:24 <@Luxidream> bonus is very small 20:24 propably magicbane is best for ranger meele 20:24 mhm i see 20:24 but for early game 20:24 <@Luxidream> fire brand would be more damage 20:24 and mid-game eventually 20:25 <@Luxidream> than magicbane 20:25 rangers should wield daggers for meele 20:25 in early and mid 20:25 right ? 20:25 <@Luxidream> yes 20:27 ok, thats enought for now, and later i should switch to artifact weapon, magicbane or something different, but allways ranger do more damage in range but in late magicbane or eventually another artifact will be good for meele 20:27 ok, thank you 20:27 <@shadowsapex> you could get a crysknife 20:28 crysknife would be better than magicbane ? ;o 20:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:24840 20:28 <@Luxidream> don’t worry about damage 20:29 <@Luxidream> magicbane is good because it gives magic resist 20:29 ok, what is good alternative for magicbane when playing ranger ? 20:30 <@shadowsapex> I just said the crysknife 20:30 okay, thanks 20:30 <@shadowsapex> knife skill might be a waste 20:30 <@shadowsapex> well, whatever you can find 20:31 <@Luxidream> chaotic ranger gets stormbringer 20:33 where can i read how much skill points i have available to spend ? 20:36 <@rikersan> amy you here 20:36 -!- reapersan has joined #hardfought 20:37 <@shadowsapex> it's on the wiki 20:37 Oh, there is no limit, i just need to calculate to which skills i spend points wisely becouse any next lvl require more xp and takes longer to advance... 20:38 <@rikersan> there is a limit 20:38 <@rikersan> each level gets 1 skill point 20:38 yeah 20:38 <@rikersan> to increase from unskilled to basic it's 1 pt, basic to skilled is 2, skilled to expert is 3 20:38 okay 20:38 <@rikersan> and consideirng that most vanilla players odn't get much beyond like xp 20 at the max, you won't get that many skill points 20:38 but there is no limit in levels which i can get ? 20:38 <@rikersan> there is, 30 20:39 <@rikersan> but it's not recommended 20:39 okay 20:39 <@rikersan> higher xp levels spawns higher level monsters 20:39 okay i see 20:39 <@rikersan> often a good strategy to keep it around 15, limits the amount of evil thigns you can get 20:40 !tell LarienTelrunya ok 1. LOL some pissy dude hates pokemon, high heels, and your fetishes on that one google survey thing 2. I tried to leave like actual constructive feedback, migth like to have a convo about that, i have some legit suggestions on what I like for slex 20:40 Will do, reapersan! 20:40 -!- reapersan has quit [Client Quit] 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:28120 20:42 mhm, i see thanks 20:44 <@rikersan> no prob 20:51 "pokemon, high heels, and your fetishes" bit redundant there? 20:52 A Wizard has more of an argument for going high level because of the many spell schools they can train up 20:58 Luxidream: you said that ranger start with better stats and equipement than rogue. But rogue start with potion of sickness and then when crossbow and bolts will be founded and dip into it, make it decent range weapon 20:58 Isnt ? 20:59 <@rikersan> yes, but poison wears off 20:59 <@rikersan> also bows are generally better than crossbows iirc 20:59 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 greased gray dragon scale mail", on T:15348 21:00 Elf is best role for ranger or other races, even Orc can do work ? 21:01 <@Luxidream> Rogue starts with no crossbow skill 21:01 <@Luxidream> and no multishot bonus for bow 21:01 brb 21:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:52078 21:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Death, on T:52089 21:03 ok 21:03 Luxidream, what you think about races to play with ranger class ? 21:04 Elf is best or maybe other races, even Orc's, can do work either ? 21:04 -!- markzenQm has joined #hardfought 21:04 -!- markzenQm has quit [K-Lined] 21:06 -!- kozet__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Death, on T:52119 21:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:52120 21:09 do I get more points for more rider kills? 21:10 <@Demo> rider die 21:10 I'm debating whether I should keep hanging around astral and go on a rampage or just wrap this up. 21:10 <@rikersan> rider farm :p 21:11 I should wish for a tinning kit so I can save their corpses for my condo in the happy hunting grounds. 21:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed tinning kit called Boys To Men in a Can", on T:52128 21:12 <@rikersan> cna't tin a rider 21:12 <@rikersan> you get hte messaeg "war does not preserve its enemies" 21:12 <@Demo> you can't alchemize them either 21:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Death, on T:52136 21:13 <@rikersan> alchemize? 21:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:52138 21:13 <@Demo> with an alchemy kit 21:13 darn. I guess it's go time 21:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2074268 points, T:52147, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/xnethack/dumplog/1538336161.xnh.txt 21:15 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:15 Can anybody give me any advice about comparing races choose when pick ranger ? 21:15 all about the same. 21:16 if you pick gnome you'll get a multishot bonus with crossbow. 21:16 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 21:16 if you pick elf you get the bonus with elven bow/arrows 21:16 orc gets bonus with crude bow/arrows 21:17 gnome gets bonus with crossbow 21:17 but I repeat myself 21:18 Orc has poison resist from the start so that's nice. 21:18 <@Luxidream> grats bouquet 21:18 thanks! 21:19 It is worth to pick Orc ? Crude arrows and bow are weakest 21:19 -!- kozet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19 <@Luxidream> they aren't weaker by a significant amount 21:19 the difference is negligable, uniusz 21:20 <@Luxidream> 1d5 vs small and 1d6 vs small 21:20 <@Luxidream> a difference of 0.5 on average 21:20 by the time they're enchanted it won't make much difference 21:21 @luxidream what's all this about meaningless gibberish? 21:21 aosdict: Message from AntiGulp at 2018-10-04 19:50 EDT: Standalone repository here: https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack-NetHack 21:21 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 21:21 i see 21:21 <@Luxidream> aosdict: the intro message for the wizard was bugged, with a string of gibberish before the text 21:21 ok ill try it then, thanks again 21:21 I think the main reasons for picking a ranger class is A. Elves - easy mode, B. Gnomes - sexy in heels, C. Orcs - poison resist, D. Humans - generally good all around. 21:22 easy mode ? 21:22 what you mean by that ? 21:22 <@Luxidream> elves are the worst imo 21:22 I'm just prejudiced against elves. Stupid pointy ears. 21:22 I'd never take an elf ranger 21:23 <@Luxidream> followed by human 21:23 why elves are worst in your opinion ? 21:23 I'm a gnome fan, mostly for the touchstone benefit. 21:23 <@Luxidream> poor HP growth 21:24 Don't get displacement 21:24 <@Luxidream> worst of all the races. capped str 21:24 i see 21:25 Humans are great, too. Only issue is early on when you accidentally bump into a floating eye because no infravision. 21:25 but crude arrows are 1d5vsSmall and elven arrow 1d7vsSmall 21:25 it isnt much ? 21:25 @Luxidream until it's reproduced in xnh I'll chalk it up to a porting error to splicehack 21:25 <@Luxidream> humans get no multishot 21:26 but they get natural rhythm 21:26 mhm, see 21:26 <@Luxidream> natural...rhythm? 21:27 doo doo dippity dop <-- that 21:27 humans should get some sort of bonus when they find a drum. 21:28 charms animals, scares everything else. 21:29 !asc bouquet 21:29 bouquet: [hdf-us] bouquet has ascended 11 times in 212 games (5.19%): nh362:3 (5.17%), xnh:8 (7.48%) 21:30 elves gets +1 to-hit bonus and +1 damage bonus when using elven bow with elven arrows - This refer to orc and ocish gear either ? becouse wiki only mention +1 multishot bonus that orc's with orcish bows/arrows gets. 21:32 "The flesh golem corpse tastes okay." -- somehow I really doubt that! 21:32 play each race and see which you prefer. 21:32 that is all, uni 21:34 Okay for sure, but elves with elves bow/arrows gets +1 to-hit, 1+ damage and 1+ multishot while orcs with orcish gets just +1 multishoot 21:34 right ? 21:35 <@Luxidream> no, the racial bonus applies regardless of your race. it's not any different 21:35 oh, then I was wrong. 21:41 so why wiki doesnt mention that for orcs ? 21:41 because the wiki is created by humans who are not infallible gods of nethack knowledge 21:41 true ^^ okk 21:42 you are welcome to fix anything on the wiki that you discover is incorrect 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 230 points, T:811, killed by a dagger 21:48 sure, thanks 21:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 759 points, T:1925, killed by a dwarf 21:51 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Dra Ang NB Law), 851 points, T:2687, killed by a dwarf 21:52 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Orcish_bow <<>> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Elven_arrow 21:52 [hdf-us] [slshm] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 19450 points, T:8827, killed by an Uruk-hai 21:52 you see what i mean ? elfs have 3 benefits while orcs just one 21:53 <@shadowsapex> it doesn't matter that much in the end 21:54 <@shadowsapex> early game is decided by luck and skill and late game is just decided already 21:54 okay 21:54 <@Luxidream> play them and you'll see that elf isn't better than orc 21:54 okay, i just want to know 21:54 if them both have 3 benefits or just elfs 21:54 but ok, you just said that both them have 3 21:54 so its ok, thanks 21:59 propably i can read that in source code also 22:00 can you lead me abit in which source file this can be found ? 22:02 -!- ealyY has joined #hardfought 22:02 -!- ealyY has quit [K-Lined] 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayer), on T:636 22:11 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28 -!- i-oneDf has joined #hardfought 22:28 -!- i-oneDf has quit [K-Lined] 22:29 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) defeated Croesus, on T:18923 22:39 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 23:03 -!- tacco| has quit [] 23:07 wow,i had dilithium crystal... 23:07 nice 23:08 :) 23:09 ok, time to get some sleep also, goodnight all, seeya o/ 23:09 -!- uniusz has quit [Quit: uniusz] 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:31676 23:22 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 23:24 -!- keith4Ce has joined #hardfought 23:24 -!- keith4Ce has quit [K-Lined] 23:55 I <3 Hardfought for allowing long game session timeouts. One of the reasons I don't NAO much is that for whatever reason, my ssh sessions always hang if I'm afk for even 5 minutes.