00:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a water nymph corpse on an altar of Thoth, on T:3803 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 10964 points, T:4385, killed by a zruty 00:59 -!- dustinspringman has joined #hardfought 01:00 -!- dustinspringman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00 -!- tenbeers has joined #hardfought 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh343] Bard (Hea Gno Mal Neu) had athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:47779 01:32 -!- rakirueU has joined #hardfought 01:33 -!- rakirueU has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 01:52 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:14 oh whoops I wasn't registered 02:15 !tell rikersan slex's hybrid races have been changed a while ago so they no longer trash your stats or anything ;) also, the behavior of aggravate monster was changed to make it less deadly, but why the hell are you using the word "removing" in a slex context??? 02:15 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:22 -!- jro`Bn has joined #hardfought 02:23 -!- ZeDestructorUF has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- ZeDestructorUF has quit [K-Lined] 02:24 -!- jro`Bn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53 -!- attie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 03:11 In case anyone out there gets eye strain from too-bright wiki and chat windows right next to your nice dark terminal window with your nethack game... 03:12 the pros around here are already way past this, but for anyone who hasn't considered it: if you use the free Stylish extension for chrome/chromium and within the extension, add a style they call global dark, bingo, there's nice low-strain wiki. 03:12 meanwhile, hopefully everyone here already adjusts their IRC colors to not give an eyeball tan 03:14 my IRC window has a nice light blue background color ;) 03:14 :) 03:25 -!- mIRC has joined #hardfought 03:28 -!- mIRC has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:47 -!- duncaenEM has joined #hardfought 03:48 -!- patateiI has joined #hardfought 03:50 -!- patateiI has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52 -!- duncaenEM has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54 -!- phirephlydb has joined #hardfought 03:58 -!- quaestortX has joined #hardfought 03:59 -!- quaestortX has quit [K-Lined] 04:00 -!- phirephlydb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 04:34 -!- lel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:37 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 04:43 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:43 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:60266 04:54 fear me! 04:57 !lotg tenbeers 04:57 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, tenbeers! 04:58 :^] 05:05 You write in the dust with an aluminum wand. You hear a door open. 05:05 funny how that works 05:05 almost called the wand "opening" but of course I don't know that yet 05:05 sharp cookie ^ 05:06 it's in fact a wand of locking :-) 05:06 how counter! 05:06 and when I dipped a cursed stethoscope in a fountain, I heard water falling on coins. 05:07 perfect! 05:08 A cloud of darkness falls upon you. You hear some noises. It bites! It bites! It bites! It bites! It bites! It bites! It bites! You hear some noises. It bites! You can move again. 05:09 but whatever it is I think the cat has dealt with it 05:12 ooh, elenmirie bones 05:14 <3 05:14 luv dem bones 05:15 I have to say I'm facing an embarrassingly good run on this Tourist. This has been a cadillac ride. 05:16 kind of had my choice in armor and weapons. The luxury of being a spellcasting tourist in full armor, with gauntlets of dexterity and not even needing a helm of brilliance 05:16 I still have wishes left over for Astral plane rubber chickens etc 05:17 I just saw the fifth or sixth silver saber in the run 05:18 ooh! more elenmirie bones, in minetown! 05:18 I need a holdybag so badly 05:18 I'm casting Identify at will, charging items then with PYEC, have a horn of plenty and bottomless can of grease... 05:18 More <3 for more elenmirie bones! Make soup! 05:19 elenmirie soup, without any trace of sesame! 05:19 xD 05:20 Yermak and Coco are now killing the resident monkeys 05:25 -!- Astronaut has joined #hardfought 05:26 -!- Astronaut has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 05:27 3 neutral altars on the same dungeon level 05:27 (one is lawful now) 05:29 :O 05:29 oh raisse, out of curiosity, what was it that caused you to glare at aosdict? something with orcminetown? 05:29 no, tnnt detail 05:29 ah 05:30 extra command that messed majorly with my muscle memory 05:30 it's been fixed now 05:30 I should perhaps have glared in a more private place 05:30 heh, my muscle memory is always totally messed up if I play any non-slex variant :D 05:34 you're slexic 05:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:37 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 05:45 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 05:51 -!- dgsMn has joined #hardfought 05:51 -!- dgsMn has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 05:53 tenbeers: yes, one could say I'm married to slex ♥ 05:56 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the ghost of elron, the former Thaumaturge, on T:12908 06:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:62817 06:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:62873 06:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:63236 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63241 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:63333 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:63335 06:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63483 06:40 yay! 06:40 down with Rodney 06:40 down with all Rodneys 06:40 !genocide Rodney 06:40 er 06:41 hah 06:45 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:46 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Tuktoyaktuk on T:17461 06:51 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Annootok on T:17926 06:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64568 06:56 07:09 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 19812 points, T:16072, killed by a bolt of cold 07:14 -!- zju35No has joined #hardfought 07:15 -!- zju35No has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64877 07:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:65623 07:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65624 07:41 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 07:48 * raisse watches tenbeers ascend 07:49 exciting! maybe my first 3.6.x, but let's not get ahead of ourselves 07:52 oh you haven't had the tedious 3.6 plane of water yet 07:53 I can't wait! 08:01 you can read scrolls while stunned, you know 08:02 it'll work as long as you;re also confused 08:02 ahh 08:02 clearly I was wondering exactly that 08:03 I'm planning to open a shark meat shop at the final altar 08:03 (evidently) 08:03 sushi maybe 08:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:05 shark finning kills sharks! doesn't matter if it's delicious! how dare you! 08:05 wtf... a sea cobra dropped a lance. 08:05 I'm going to just say that was actually a narwhal, misrepresented 08:06 <@Demo> shark lives matter 08:06 they do 08:08 "you see here a towel" 08:08 aw, forgot to unconflict. As always. it's ok 08:09 YANI: If you #sit on a towel, you get a YAFM "It's probably not a good time for a picnic..." 08:09 :D 08:10 I love the name of your wand of lightning. 08:10 :D 08:11 eep you're the first person I know who actually keeps sparkle on 08:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:66004 08:13 lol, if you #sit on a towel you don't get the "It's not very comfortable..." that you get when you sit on literally anything else (except a sink) 08:13 well, or a throne 08:13 LOL! An angel of Moloch killed Famine while I stood there casually eating lembas 08:14 lol 08:14 *nom, nom* don't mind me 08:14 y'all don't mind if I just grab a little snack? thanks! 08:14 raisse: Actually, that's true for any CLOTH item 08:14 lol 08:14 sort of poetic justice that it was Famine while you were eating 08:14 aosdict: oh right, didn't know 08:14 like a T-shirt? 08:15 Also, boxes are not uncomfortable to sit on. 08:16 lol, casting knock at the door when you have the PYEC in your pocket 08:18 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 08:18 hee hee 08:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:66028 08:19 pesky & 08:19 good thing you were still full of lembas 08:21 here cometh pestilenth 08:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:66057 08:22 collect all three! 08:22 oh, that one went down easily 08:22 I sincerely hope you won't have to 08:24 whee 08:24 it says "aligned" not "coaligned" 08:24 oh. right 08:24 lol 08:24 made that mistake b4 08:24 you weren't close enough to see 08:25 right-o 08:25 gotta love the Gran Tour 08:25 I once tried to ascend a gnome wiz after a lot of orcs so I offered on the altar of Anhur, convinced it was the right one 08:25 yeah, been there! 08:25 these priests could really take some summon-insects lessons from the ones who work in Moloch's Sanctum 08:26 if you genocide or extinct ants they'll take to summoning S 08:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:66082 08:27 oh oh oh I should wield Vorpal Blade just for the Jabberwock 08:27 yes! 08:27 if you have it, by all means 08:27 sadly unenchanted but still 08:27 it MUST be done 08:27 it'll work on the jabberwock anyway 08:27 pff 08:28 oh you've got your encumbrance set at unencumbered 08:28 nice sushi set you've got there 08:28 :D 08:28 2 kinds of unagi as well as shark 08:29 scuse me, pardon me 08:29 gotta see a man about a warhorse 08:29 :) 08:29 * raisse tosses tenbeers a bottle of kikkoman soy sauce 08:29 52 hp, really, Famine? 08:29 only 52 HP? you can do that in two whacks 08:29 Famine is flailing today. And I don't mean with a flail. 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:66094 08:29 one whack! 08:30 beware the Jabberwock, my son! 08:30 such a good crowd today! 08:30 those claws, they catch... 08:30 those priestesses having a catfight with sharp objects... 08:30 a little dodge-ball 08:31 pff! 08:31 oh, guess who! 08:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:66105 08:31 43 HP! 08:31 they don't make Riders like they usedta 08:31 I'm used to them having, well, 70 or so 08:31 i swear these imported ones are plastic 08:31 still not a lot but not laughable 08:31 ooh an air elemental 08:32 not like the for-real ones on their own plane though 08:32 I've got like four whole tele wands left and haven't even pulled out the Platinum. 08:33 good wormy! 08:33 maybe this worm will be my friend! 08:33 yes! 08:34 the ants are your friends instead :-) 08:34 bwahaha 08:34 but I brought a music degree too 08:35 yay! 08:36 feeling kind of oddly casual. but with care. hmm, options 08:36 ascend with the worm and don't tell it that it's going to be a special kind of sushi? 08:36 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:36 I could write a lot of graffiti with these five markers... 08:36 hahahahaha 08:38 man, i feel like I spoiled the Riders' party 08:38 well, you did 08:38 that's our job :) 08:38 they'll reconstitute and sit around with a potion of booze bitching at you 08:38 this has been super cushy with Eyes of the Overworld and all. 08:39 they will. a potion of sake 08:39 I am playing before the choir of angels, see 08:39 remember, if you serve pufferfish, only to Pestilence and Death 08:39 yes. fugu for them 08:40 hm, I'm making myself hungry for sushi though I've just had lunch (which wasn't sushi) 08:40 and you cannot knowingly serve a deadly item to death or he'll love it 08:41 I think things can't be thoroughly rotten unless they're made of cloth or leather 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "The cursed partially eaten chickatrice corpse named Donald Trump", on T:66131 08:43 who are you going to petrify now? ascend already! 08:43 not before drinking my hallu smoky potions! 08:43 lol the poohbah of the Martians 08:43 -!- contextgF has joined #hardfought 08:43 hahahahaaha laughing pretty hard just now 08:43 -!- contextgF has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:43 ah, the best way to gain immortality... permanently tripping. 08:44 a truer word was never said 08:44 is it bad form to stone the high priestess? yes. I won't do that. 08:44 very bad form indeed, you may not get a sushi bar permit 08:45 I feel full of awe though. Nice little after-binge apertif of holy vann 08:45 that there akkavit 08:45 well ok that's enough capering 08:46 you could break your wand of cancellation :-) 08:46 but probably not wise while next to the priestedd 08:46 priestess, even, she's not Welsh afaik 08:47 not unless you're a knight 08:47 oh you reminded me! should I break my wand of Nothing? 08:47 I should at least charge it up to quivering 08:48 well, it was a nice life. First Tourist ascent. Thanks friends! 08:48 oh I was about to ask "why does the PYEC blast you" but it was the Eyes you were invoking 08:48 for enlightenment 08:48 yep 08:48 "you are wielding a tool"? 08:48 oh still wielding the lamp 08:49 haha 08:49 NOW i am wielding a tool. A rubber chicken head of state 08:49 it will probably say you are wieldign a corpse, though 08:50 I raised the angel as a zombie who promptly died 08:50 I didn't know angels stone-to-fleshed as zombies 08:50 congratulations! 08:50 nor did I! Learn something new ev'ry day! 08:51 many thanks! 08:51 that seems rather... unholy of them 08:51 unwholesome 08:51 well he was a RENEGADE angel 08:51 maybe 08:51 he was an angel of Moloch, so intrinsically renegade 08:52 mmm, wizard of yendor meat 08:52 ohhh we're off to tin the wizard.. the wonderful wizard of yargh 08:52 yeah it's not preferred at brunch 08:52 it comes back so 08:52 like a troll 08:52 ! 08:52 internal trollness 08:52 intrinsic upset 08:52 So thou thought thou couldst digest me, fool. 08:52 the wizard of reflux 08:53 !!! 08:53 !goat your stomach 08:53 tenbeers's goat runs up and rams your stomach in the nose! Baaaaaa! 08:53 lol, in the nose 08:53 help my stomach grew a nose 08:53 now you nose 08:53 or in the "no se" as in, "i don't know" in spanish 08:54 now you've given me an earworm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1nm1yUp6-I 08:54 a purple one 08:55 nah, they're too large for the ear 08:55 oh hey I killed a real sandestin, not the sandestins who are usually chameleons 08:55 seems I've met more pit fiends since 3.6 too, always good to see them. Nazgul and balrogs too 08:55 ooh were you wearing a ring of protection against shape changers? 08:55 sandestins are usually chameleons? what? 08:55 It should list it as you having killed a sandestin even if you didn't realize it was one 08:55 no, sandestins are usually various nasties 08:56 no, just that they were always said to be so rare that most players who had encountered one were actually seeing a shapeshifter. 08:56 oh okay 08:56 YASI: add earworm as a w monster. Has an amnesia attack. 08:56 i had that slightly wrong 08:56 that's a lot of storm giants! 08:56 yes! I revgenoed them :D 08:56 we had a party in the castle 08:57 ah you wanted shock resistance *and* strength? 08:57 don't we all! 08:57 even got disintegration resistance. 08:57 I don't always 08:57 not from the storm giants I suppose 08:57 black dragon, only source, I think 08:57 yup 08:58 scary to face, but not at extreme AC and MR and MC3 08:58 some of which doesn't matter but it's the psych of it 08:58 reflection i should have said too 08:58 I don't think MC3 helps any more than MC0 versus disintegration breath. 08:59 54 wraiths. 140 giant spiders. 08:59 you're right, i'm sure. 08:59 <@Demo> 10 beers 09:00 * tenbeers at your service 09:00 I hope you ascended with 10 potions of booze 09:00 I don't usually genocide but first time getting anywhere on a tourist so yeah 09:01 conduct-wise a horrid run 09:02 are you opening a jewelry store as well as a sushi bar? 09:02 I had this plan to sneak the gems into the oysters 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3079907 points, T:66152, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tenbeers/nh361/dumplog/1538289604.nh361.txt 09:02 * raisse places an order for a pair of dilithium and amethyst earrings 09:03 you could power a small satellite with those! 09:03 all the better! 09:04 okay, I must quit being a terminal-dweller and sleep instead! Thanks for the audience, that was fun! 09:08 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 09:10 -!- tenbeers has quit [Quit: seeps into a nearby porous substrate] 09:11 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Quetzalcoatl, on T:13210 09:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 240 points, T:1499, killed by a small mimic 09:40 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 09:40 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM 0.0.8E0F2 is now available for play! ¤ quiet mode is enabled, ask an OP if you need to be voiced 09:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 09:40 !who 09:40 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Eleven [nh362] vid [un] | [hdf-eu] Graznop [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 09:40 A cloud of gas puts you to sleep! You dream that you hear someone counting money. It explodes! You seem unaffected by it. You wake up. 09:40 !ping 09:40 K2: Pong! 09:40 that was a weird dream 09:41 <@rikersan> !ping 09:41 @rikersan: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-10-02 02:15 EDT: slex's hybrid races have been changed a while ago so they no longer trash your stats or anything ;) also, the behavior of aggravate monster was changed to make it less deadly, but why the hell are you using the word "removing" in a slex context??? 09:41 @rikersan: Pong! 09:41 heh, in one of my slex games I was put to sleep and then had the game say "You dream that you hear 'bundlebundlebundle!!'" when a bundle monster (conceived by K2) was nearby. 09:42 <@rikersan> k2 why would you suggest somethign for slex :/ 09:43 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:46 such a wing-tufted bundle monster! ♥ 09:47 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:54 LarienTelrunya: have you implemented the bundelabrum of invocation yet 09:54 not yet 09:55 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG sometimes, the game segfaults when you try to genesis a "tame " in wizmode. not sure the specficis, but it looks like it may happen when there is no adjacent space 09:55 Will do, @rikersan! 09:57 <@Demo> what monsters? 09:58 <@rikersan> anything 09:58 <@rikersan> try wizmode wishing a 9x9 grid of pools, and standing in the middle 09:58 <@rikersan> summoning literally anything crashes, including things liek krakens which shouldn't care 09:59 <@Demo> thanks 09:59 <@Demo> is this on bleeding edge? 09:59 <@rikersan> yes 10:02 get a backtrace :D 10:12 <@Demo> can't replicate 10:13 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:27 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2715 points, T:1795, killed by an orc-captain 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:39340 10:31 -!- nooodle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] docholi (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3442 10:44 * LarienTelrunya is in the process of finally implementing some old YANIs, including aosdict's karma chameleon and join xorn 10:45 the karma chameleon was my idea? 10:46 what does it do? 10:46 reduce your luck if you attack it 10:46 -!- haadqq has joined #hardfought 10:47 and it's also a shapechanger right 10:47 -!- haadqq has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 10:47 yeah, like the regular chameleon (uses the same logic for deciding what form it wants to take on) 10:49 * LarienTelrunya makes a new monster called "poly flayer" which is a master mind flayer that always tries to polymorph into monsters which have AD_DRIN :D 10:51 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 425546 points, T:39466, killed by Yeenoghu, while paralyzed by a monster 11:03 congrats tenbeers! 11:10 after all the games I play where I'm denied a BoH until gehennom, now I find 5 BoHs and I can't be troubled to drop them 11:15 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 59100 points, T:21747, killed by an orange dragon 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:47024 11:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:37216 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided class m, on T:47613 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided mind flayer, on T:47615 11:26 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 11:27 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:47806 11:34 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:39 -!- nooodle_ has joined #hardfought 11:50 -!- nooodle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:50 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:56 -!- Sigyn has quit [Quit: People always have such a hard time believing that robots could do bad things.] 11:57 -!- Sigyn has joined #hardfought 11:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Sigyn] by ChanServ 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:50486 12:04 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 12:04 -!- nooodle_ has joined #hardfought 12:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 speed boots called Air Jordans", on T:39912 12:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker named Bic", on T:40114 12:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic whistle named Leadership", on T:40171 12:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 mithril small shield", on T:40311 12:19 -!- NYXT has joined #hardfought 12:20 -!- NYXT has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:51503 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:51993 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51995 12:27 silly bouquet, you can't wish for a mithril shield 12:28 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:32 -!- murbfX has joined #hardfought 12:32 -!- murbfX has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:33 -!- fLiPr3VeRsEwo has joined #hardfought 12:33 -!- fLiPr3VeRsEwo has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:36 -!- Urvelnieldm has joined #hardfought 12:36 -!- Urvelnieldm has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:39 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 815 points, T:1541, killed by a killer bee, while praying 12:41 <@Demo> wow if did indeed kill 12:41 <@Demo> it 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 118 points, T:130, burned by a tower of flame 12:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:01 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:02 -!- gryzzly_sE has joined #hardfought 13:02 -!- gryzzly_sE has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:09 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 37888 points, T:17543, killed by a soldier ant 13:11 aosdict: I remembered that after I hit enter 13:13 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the ghost of Qi, the former Rhizotomist, on T:1097 13:16 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 13:20 !tell AntiGulp https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/d56cb3bcc38101a8a1ea6c99216b287f78bcf8dd :) 13:20 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 13:23 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1743 points, T:2883, killed by an orc-captain 13:24 hothraxxa: autodescribe is now on by default in vanilla 13:39 -!- alekzXc has joined #hardfought 13:39 -!- alekzXc has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:41 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 13:42 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:4739 13:46 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 1880 points, T:5369, killed by a crossbow bolt 13:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:542 13:57 Go team werejackal! Summon an army! 13:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:59 YANI: Change the werefoo help summoning from "monsters appear around me for no reason" to "The werefoo calls for help!" which summons the same monsters, but at random out of sight points around the level. 14:00 It never made sense to me that a wererat can *magically* create monsters from thin air. 14:07 Evil Patch Idea: it does both. Surrounds you immediately, *and* creates a bunch more at random points around the level out of sight. 14:08 But only when monsters do it. As a player, if you do it with #monster, then they only happen out of sight. 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 1098 points, T:2449, killed by a giant bat 14:14 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:14 omg Chris_ANG fix it now 14:14 . 14:14 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-10-01 23:15 EDT: it also should confer mag breathing fwiw, water damage is easy tho. by mag breathing I mean it probably should ignore things like poison clouds, if applicable? and strangle/etc. 14:14 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-10-02 09:55 EDT: sometimes, the game segfaults when you try to genesis a "tame " in wizmode. not sure the specficis, but it looks like it may happen when there is no adjacent space 14:14 my statement was just a summarized version of all the messages you get 14:15 lol 14:15 ;) 14:17 And now I will give my all-to-standard reply: 14:17 @rikersan: could not reproduce 14:18 rofl 14:18 Define "No adjacent space". Filled with monsters, filled with rock, or something else? 14:18 Chris_ANG you ever think about porting dnethack over to 3.6.x ? 14:19 3.6 doesn't align vs 3.4 due to changed conventions for where newlines should be used. 14:20 I think there was a workaround suggested for this, but I forget what it was :/ 14:21 ah 14:23 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 14:27 I actually relish becoming a werewolf in the early game so I can summon a horde of pets. I cleared the sokoban zoo that way once and it was glorious. 14:28 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1762 points, T:2098, killed by a bolt of lightning 14:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:40865 14:34 -!- hasdf has joined #hardfought 14:34 -!- hasdf has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:41201 14:39 @rikersan: Glanced through the code, and don't see anything that should cause segfaults with tame monsters in particular. Perhaps it's the specific monster you're creating? 14:41 <@Luxidream> !who 14:41 @Luxidream: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh362] Karnac [nh362] vid [un] Bard [nh343] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 14:41 <@Luxidream> hm 14:41 <@Luxidream> doing homework, who to watch? 14:48 I just logged out of a pretty fun game. Found a second /oW in gehennom. I've run out of stuff to wish for at this point. 14:56 -!- BrainspacklezG has joined #hardfought 14:56 -!- BrainspacklezG has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1036 points, T:2068, killed by a jaguar 15:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:09 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:09 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:56002 15:10 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 15:10 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] Karnac (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1086 points, T:2402, killed by a bolt of fire 15:19 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 2015 points, T:2122, killed by a rope golem 15:24 -!- mic4aelNc has joined #hardfought 15:24 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 15:24 -!- mic4aelNc has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:25 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:27 <@rikersan> Chris it's any monster 15:27 <@rikersan> Not just tame 15:30 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36 <@Demo> still can't replicate 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:58683 15:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:58711 15:39 -!- ProzacElf_ has left #hardfought 15:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:58800 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:59271 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:59296 16:18 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:61909 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:61910 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1260 points, T:1804, quit 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:62193 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Law), 2266042 points, T:62270, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hypnotist/nh361/dumplog/1538145449.nh361.txt 16:37 \o/ 16:37 grats nooodle! 16:37 !streak hypnotist 16:37 K2: [hdf-us] hypnotist Max[nh362]: 12 (2018-07-16 - 2018-09-06). Current[nh362]: 4 (since 2018-09-06). 16:37 <@Tone> grats nooodle 😄 16:38 nooodle if you arent identified with nickserv, no one will be able to 'hear' you except OP's 16:39 !streak 16:39 K2: [hdf-us] K2 Max[xnh]: 4 (2018-03-30 - 2018-04-15). 16:39 !streak gh 16:39 K2: [hdf-us] K2[gh] Max: 1 (2017-05-09 - 2017-05-11). 16:39 pfft... i have a 2 streak in gh 16:39 but it was on grunthack.org 16:40 !streak hypnotist 16:40 K2: [hdf-us] hypnotist Max[nh362]: 12 (2018-07-16 - 2018-09-06). Current[nh362]: 4 (since 2018-09-06). 16:40 cant remember how long it takes to count most recent games 16:40 should show 13 and 5 16:41 and today's date 16:41 oh wait 16:41 no you had a death in there right nooodle? 16:42 we still can't see anything nooodle_ is saying 16:42 well 16:42 he hasnt said anything since 5 min ago 16:43 prob went to pour a drink and celebrate 16:54 <@Tone> They haven't been seen on discord side for 2 weeks 16:55 -!- linville has joined #hardfought 16:56 -!- linville has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:56 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Pri Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3206 17:05 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had silver mace named Demonbane bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:5392 17:08 hypnotist = nooodle? 17:09 (if not, it's even worse with not being able to see non-identified people) 17:09 raisse: yes 17:09 right, thanks 17:09 * raisse should probably go to bed 17:10 I went to bed far too late last night because I had a hard time winding down from an intensive game session 17:10 (tabletop roleplaying) 17:10 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 4439 points, T:6316, killed by a couatl of Mercury 17:11 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law), 30754 points, T:6428, killed by a monster (pack lynx) 17:13 <@Luxidream> K2: has new spl been pulled yet? 17:14 [hdf-us] [spl] Luxidream (Car Hum Fem Law), 4 points, T:13, killed by a jackal 17:14 <@Luxidream> guess not 17:16 -!- uniusz has joined #hardfought 17:16 Hello 17:16 Hello uniusz, Welcome to #hardfought 17:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:17 I have found i shop, just normal one, after that i go 2 lvls down and i back to that shop, and now it is "untended", i have found 4k gold and i took all items from im 17:17 How its become untended ? 17:19 Most likely the shopkeeper died. Or it's vaguely possible the shopkeeper left the level. 17:20 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law), 597 points, T:918, killed by being impaled on a stalactite 17:21 ok, so 2 questions: 1.How he can die ? 2.He can just leave lvl like that and go somewhere else ? 17:23 If the shops were on different levels, it's not the same shop at all, regardless of how similar they look. 17:27 it was that same shop on that same lvl 17:27 i remember it 17:28 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 17:28 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 17:28 but if its not 17:28 i have few questions about shops 17:29 1.I can found just shopkeeperless/untented shops in DoD ? 2.How shoopkeeper can just die ? 3.How shopkeeper can leave level ? 17:30 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:31 You can only find shopkeeperless shops if they died for some reason. Which generally means a bones file. 17:32 In the early game it is *highly* unlikely that something else just comes along and kills the shopkeeper without you being involved somehow. 17:34 So how this happen ? 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3847 17:34 It is probably a bones file. 17:35 i go lvl down and when i back sshpkeppr was died, its on dlvl2 17:35 how ? 17:37 -!- Muadd has left #hardfought 17:37 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 17:39 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 17:41 Can omebody answer \? 17:41 somebody* 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Law), 2737 points, T:4760, killed by a snake 17:45 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Bones says that the Chance of leaving Bones at DL 1-3 is 0% 17:45 Are You sure it was a Shop? 17:45 Maybe just a normal Room with many Items? 17:45 Or did You see a Shopkeeper-Corpse? 17:46 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:52 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 17:56 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 17:57 -!- kozet has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 18:00 Wto knows ? 18:01 -!- tenbeers has joined #hardfought 18:01 who* 18:07 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:15 uniusz: I bet it was one of the new loot rooms where there's random stuff scattered around, sometimes with a snake or cave spider hiding under some of the items. 18:16 and you just misremembered there being a shop keeper. 18:17 <@Tone> uniusz: You killed the shopkeeper while you were hallucinating 18:17 <@Tone> You got lucky because you had magic resistance and the shopkeep just zapped you with magic missile and striking the entire time 18:18 rld: yes, this can happened 18:18 i can kill him where i was hallucinating 18:18 how do you know that rld ? 18:18 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 18:18 <@Tone> I looked at your ttyrec because what you described didn't sound possible 18:19 <@Tone> (it wasn't) 18:19 Thank you :) 18:19 <@Tone> np 18:20 I have another question, i have found novel "Soul Music" - i had read this four times, every time this give me another text 18:20 how long this is ? How much new text will appear ? And this will give me some effect after more readings ? 18:21 <@Demo> nothing special happens after the first reading 18:21 <@Demo> and i dont know if u can comprehend it 18:21 <@Demo> sorry oops nevermind can 18:21 <@Tone> By the way, mostly nothing happens on levels while you are on other levels, and monsters don't really attack each other except in rare situations; so monsters won't really die for no reason 18:23 Okay thanks 18:23 What about that novel ? How long this is ? 18:23 I have read this four times and still new text showing up 18:24 <@Demo> its just random quotes from it i think 18:24 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:24 <@Demo> nothing you need to worry about 18:24 random ? So this novel it is not just written ? It is generated by hand when i read it ? 18:25 I think that the ready texts of this novel are writtens in the code 18:25 right ? 18:28 <@Tone> The contents of the quote aren't random, you just get a different one every time 18:30 Okay 18:30 But "Soul Music" is one novel 18:30 How long this is ? 18:30 how much texts to read ? 18:31 <@Tone> I don't think it will ever end 18:32 Why ? 18:33 So text will be just repreating self 18:33 but how much of them ? 18:36 <@Tone> No idea, I've only ever read a novel once 18:36 okay 18:37 so this will give me no benefits ? 18:37 <@Tone> The first time you read it you will get a little bit of xp 18:37 okay 18:38 thank you :) 18:39 Hmm, as a elf wizard i should first go to minetown or oracle ? I mean how should i make my way. 1: minetown > oracle > sokoban, 2. Oracle > minetown > sokoban or 3. Oracle > sokoban > minetown. Can somebody give me advice about that ? im not very experienced as wizard. 18:45 <@Tone> If you go to the oracle you may as well go to soko 18:45 <@Tone> and there's no right way 18:45 <@Tone> soko for food, and some rings and wands 18:45 <@Tone> don't expect to be able to clear the top level though 18:45 I shouldnt go minetown first for wish for magicbane ? 18:46 <@Tone> Mines for some ranged weapons (darts, daggers, aklys), and minetown goodies 18:46 ok so i going for minetown first and wish for magicbane, after minetown ill go oracle and soko 18:46 <@Tone> Don't wish for magicbane, and you only have a 1/3 chance of getting a co-aligned altar there 18:46 sorry 18:47 i dont mean wish, ill offer corpses 18:47 for magicbane gift 18:47 ill first do that, then oracle and soko 18:47 sounds like good plan ? 18:47 <@Tone> yeah I knew what you meant, just wanted to be clear :P 18:47 <@Tone> chances are that you still won't get a useable altar there though 18:47 okay so ill try mine > oracle > soko then 18:48 -!- Menche has left #hardfought 18:48 then ill try to turn it 18:48 to coaligned 18:48 <@Tone> The priest won't like that 18:49 hmm so what to do then ? 18:49 nothing to do ? ;p 18:49 <@Tone> You don't have to find magicbane to continue 18:50 <@rikersan> it's just useful 18:50 okay 18:50 <@rikersan> and don't worry over getting it, even if you have a co-aligned altar 18:50 <@rikersan> I've done stupid things and almost starved to death like that 18:50 <@rikersan> (if you sacc all those corpses, what are you gonna eat...) 18:50 okay 18:51 i have yet another question, i have uncursed scroll of charging and i have wands of striking and magic missille so pretty strong ones, i should charge one or maybe i should keep scroll for later ? 18:52 <@Tone> save the scroll and stick to force bolt if you feel like zapping something 18:52 okay 18:52 <@Tone> Those wands aren't that amazing 18:53 kk, thanks 18:53 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG my minion doens't seem capable of going from friendly back to hostile, it's my 7th pet and the lowest level one? looks like I get a freebie 18:53 Will do, @rikersan! 18:53 how can i replace some item from one letter to another ? 18:54 in case i have daggers to throw under "A" but i prefer to have it under "t" 18:54 <@rikersan> #adjust 18:54 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG by constrast, that friendly gray unicorn lasted 2 turns lol 18:54 Will do, @rikersan! 18:55 if potion burns its potion of acid ? 18:56 "Yellow potion evaporates. This Burns!" 18:58 <@Luxidream> yes 18:59 <@Luxidream> the wiki will answer many of your questions uniusz 18:59 <@Luxidream> So try looking there first 19:00 kk 19:01 <@Tone> The wiki actually may not have a good page for reverse looking up thrown potion effects 19:02 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG also this large two-handed sword is named "AmyBSOD", I never named stuff that? just 1 pet, which is still alive. maybe a bug with items being carried by monsters when you name them? idk, maybe I just forgot, just reporting 19:02 Will do, @rikersan! 19:02 <@Tone> but luxidream is right, the wiki will answer many of your questions 19:03 <@Luxidream> If you type in “this burns!” It redirects to potion of acid 19:03 <@Luxidream> the wiki is usually pretty good about that 19:04 <@Tone> heh, I've always typed in "this burns" in the past 19:06 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG also crashes can leave bones files apparently, maybe I just died and it hung up, not even sure. I just know that I took almost fatal damage (but I had a "oLS on anyway, wut) and the game crashed. after restoring the level looks like it is a bones file now, lol, has copies of all my stuff (including like 4 "oLS and a 1:4 wand of wishign) 19:06 Will do, @rikersan! 19:06 <@rikersan> cc Demo looks like that may be abuseable if you can figure out how to repro 19:06 <@Demo> wot tf 19:06 <@Demo> what 19:06 <@Demo> rikersan ur saying all this crazy shit 19:06 <@Demo> bones from crashes??? crash from geneises when surronded??? what 19:07 <@rikersan> well actually not just genesis 19:07 <@rikersan> it seems to happen with create monster scrolls as well 19:07 <@Demo> what?? 19:07 <@rikersan> so theoretically possilbe in a normal game 19:07 <@Demo> ive been testing on bleeding edge 19:07 <@Demo> what 19:07 <@rikersan> really? huh, so am I lol 19:07 <@rikersan> unix? 19:07 <@Demo> so cursed confuse monster should do it 100% of the time 19:07 <@Demo> ubuntu server 18 yeah 19:07 <@rikersan> well I'm not actually 100% certain there but yes if you're surrounded by water it should 19:07 <@Demo> surrondedb y water ok 19:07 <@rikersan> it may be cuz wizmode places the gensis wrapper on create monster scrolls 19:08 <@rikersan> pretty easy to try 19:08 <@rikersan> go in wizmode as a vamp (anything, I used wiz and ana) and wish for pools around you 19:08 <@rikersan> not water, pools, to make pool 19:08 <@rikersan> then like stand in the center and try to gen anything 19:08 <@rikersan> I think the bug happens if it selects any possible invalid spot, but it's easy to get a 100% repro rate with no valid spots 19:08 i found scroll of genocide 19:09 which monser i should genocide ? 19:09 <@rikersan> did you already read it? 19:09 <@rikersan> if not, don't 19:09 yes 19:09 <@rikersan> hm 19:09 i just read it 19:09 <@rikersan> generally bad idea to read-ID like that 19:09 <@Demo> uh nope didnt crash wtf??? 19:09 <@rikersan> rust monster, disenchanter, or similar 19:09 <@rikersan> huh 19:09 <@rikersan> I'll take a gi 19:09 <@rikersan> *gif 19:09 <@rikersan> check the wiki 19:09 <@rikersan> it should have an idea 19:09 <@Demo> wtf 19:10 i have no idea either 19:10 <@Tone> Do you know if the scroll was cursed? 19:10 i dont know 19:10 maybe gnomes ? 19:10 or hmm 19:10 help pls ^^ 19:10 <@Tone> just know that you may become surrounded by whatever you answer 19:10 <@Luxidream> when I told my friend to play nethack his first genocide was also gnome lol 19:11 <@rikersan> wait what now I can't repro 19:11 <@rikersan> i am confusion demo 19:11 <@Luxidream> but it's not a good one 19:11 so what should i genocide 19:11 can you advice ? 19:11 <@Luxidream> rust monster can't kill you 19:11 <@Demo> dude im so fucking confused 19:11 idk if it was cursed or not 19:11 <@Tone> master mind flayer is usually my single monster geno 19:11 or maybe gnomes ? 19:12 <@Luxidream> don't genocide gnomes 19:12 <@Tone> If I had a random early one I might consider master lich because of the castle shenanigans 19:12 so what should ? 19:12 ok so master lich 19:12 i can write it in lower case 19:12 <@Tone> In your situation I wouldn't choose something that would kill you if you had to fight a bunch of them 19:12 <@rikersan> @Demo it definitely was happening 19:12 <@Luxidream> rust monster 19:12 i can type "master lich" ir i need" Master Lich" ? 19:12 <@rikersan> I was trying to wizmode test WDS with monsters 19:12 <@Tone> so I'd advise against master lich 19:13 so rust monster 19:13 <@rikersan> dude I don't even konw @Demo 19:13 <@rikersan> yes that seems good 19:13 <@rikersan> jsut make sure to unwield any iron weapon before hitting them 19:13 :) 19:13 no cursed 19:13 <@Luxidream> but yeah this is why you don't read random scrolls 19:14 <@Luxidream> even if you happen to get the best possible result you have less control over the effect 19:14 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG looks like the arti books don't appear in bones files, fine. looks like that bones files can be left on nkai levels, fine. looks like bones files can appear AFTER you kill the alhoon, on that level, removing that book for that game, because you can't kill the alhoon again. it looks like I'm gonna be stuck with no books this run :( it was BOLN too 19:14 Will do, @rikersan! 19:14 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG this had to do with the crashy bones file, so it may be not reproable, but I hope it is 19:14 Will do, @rikersan! 19:14 "your silver dagger glows black for a momment" 19:15 what scroll is that ? 19:15 <@rikersan> enchant weapon 19:15 <@rikersan> but it was cursed 19:15 okay 19:15 <@rikersan> demo that's should be reproable tho (book bones thingy) 19:15 You feel someone helping you 19:16 scroll of uncursed 19:16 or remove curse 19:16 yes 19:16 <@Luxidream> stop reading random scrolls 19:16 <@rikersan> yea 19:16 but i have heavy ball chained to me 19:16 how can i get rid of it ? 19:16 <@rikersan> you'll end up killing yourself or destroying your magic resistance scroll 19:16 <@rikersan> you should be fixed now 19:16 <@rikersan> with a scroll of remove curse 19:16 <@rikersan> that should unchain you 19:16 <@Tone> Remove curse would help with that 19:16 <@rikersan> and now stop reading scrolls else you're gonna destroy your cloak 19:17 <@Tone> How did you get chained to an iron ball in the first place? 🤔 19:17 but remove curse remove curse from my weapon 19:17 Tone: by reading scroll ;p 19:17 <@Luxidream> you should be unchained from the ball 19:17 im not, it remove curse from my main weapon which was cursed 19:18 <@rikersan> really? 19:18 ok i dont have ball 19:18 <@Tone> I knew that already ;) 19:18 <@rikersan> yeah you shuoldn't 19:18 sorry, my mistake, i dont have ball :) 19:18 nice 19:18 Nothing interesting happens - what scroll is that ? 19:18 tamming maybe ? 19:18 <@Luxidream> type that in the wiki 19:20 ok taming 19:22 and die 19:22 ehh 19:22 ;p 19:22 but was nice play :) 19:23 im always doing well until some point of game... when im playing wizard im always maniacally trying to get minetown and magicbane, but i have troubles to get through mines to that town... maybe i should play gnome role next time... 19:25 <@Luxidream> If you read less random scrolls maybe you’ll live longer 😉 19:25 so what should i do will all these undentified scrolls ? 19:26 <@Luxidream> have you heard of price identification 19:26 yeah, but what if i have no shop nearbay ? 19:26 i should wait with all of these until i found some ? 19:26 <@Luxidream> yes 19:26 okay 19:27 <@Luxidream> They aren’t useful unless you know what to do with them 19:27 and maybe i should play gnome as wizard or no need ? Im get more troubles when i reach lvl 5 and more and when im in mines 19:28 or any more tips ? 19:30 I should play gnome next time or can you give me any more tip for more survivalable ? 19:32 <@Luxidream> I haven’t watched you play so I don’t know 19:33 Luxidream you can watch my last tty 19:33 :) 19:33 I will be very gratefull if you can spend some of your time for that. 19:34 It can be exquisitely helpful for me. 19:36 uniusz: what would be more helpful to you is to watch some successful player's ttys 19:37 <@Tone> It would be difficult to give you good gameplay tips if you have been drinking every potion and reading every scroll unidentified 19:37 also, use the wiki. try to look up answers before asking in here 19:37 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 19:38 okay ill not doint that with potions and scrolls 19:38 asking for advice is fine. asking for information you can easily look up will eventually lead to nobody wanting to help you 19:38 hothraxxa: so true 19:38 Okay, im sorry for that, ill check wikipedia more in next time 19:38 <@Tone> I think I have a video of early wizard play with good commentary somewhere if you're interested 19:39 you'll learn a lot more that way 19:39 the wiki is pretty amazing 19:39 <@Luxidream> “What does foo do?” can you usually be found on the wiki 19:39 Okay, and maybe i should try to play gnome wizard next time ? Or go oracle before minetown ? 19:39 if tone has a wizard with commentary, that's what you should watch 19:39 tone is good at making that sort of video 19:39 <@Luxidream> Do not go to oracle first 19:40 uniusz: In my experience, the wizard has one of the hardest early games. It can be very frustrating 19:40 Luxidream so minetown yes ? 19:40 I like playing spellcasting roles, but I find monk and priest to be easier early games 19:40 but maybe i should take gnome for a race ? 19:40 rebatela: i agree, but a lot of beginners like to play wizard 19:40 sure, try gnome. 19:40 yeah, I know. I'm arguing against it lol 19:40 gnome has the problem they can't eat gnomes 19:41 I think it's too hard. But whatever 19:41 <@Luxidream> You can play gnome if you want 19:41 if you are determined to go into the mines early, a gnome will help 19:41 Hmm, so maybe human instead of elf ? 19:41 <@Luxidream> But what is killing you in the mines 19:41 i can always kill hobbits and dwarfs for eat 19:41 gnome has the problem that dwarves are mostly peaceful 19:42 im pretty determining to reach minetown first for sacrifice magicbane 19:42 <@Luxidream> What is killing you in the mines every time? 19:42 what if the altar is cross-aligned (2/3 chance) 19:42 I think a good general strategy for wizards is dip into the mines and try to get some armor and then go to soko? Finding an altar and getting Magicbane should be top of the list I think. Actually I shouldn't be giving advice. I SUCK at playing wizards 19:42 But magicbane is a game changer 19:42 i like orc wizards 19:42 Luxidream idk, plenty of monsters, there is no rule, i just getting into troubles in some time 19:43 i belive that when i get magicbane my game will go easier 19:43 so i want to reach town as fast as possible 19:43 my advice for a wizard is to train the kitten quickly 19:43 <@Luxidream> you should be cautious if you are low on power 19:43 Do you guys find 3.62 harder? I can pinpoint what it is (i've read the posted changes), but something about it feels harder. And it's not the spiderwebs 19:43 Yeah, my cat die early 19:43 *can't 19:43 thats make my last play harder 19:43 <@Luxidream> I think the pet is not necessary, but it will help you with armor 19:44 <@shadowsapex> pet's also important for testing spellbooks 19:44 <@Luxidream> ^ this too 19:44 the pet is a huge boost if you train it 19:45 yep. Finding a magic whistle is huge too 19:45 aye 19:45 I need to keep my pet live and train it 19:45 to not make much lvls myself 19:45 this will make my play easier 19:45 I really don't use pets until i have the whistle. Then charm monster is my favorite spell 19:45 <@Tone> hmm the wizard video I was thinking of is probably gone forever unfortunately. That's a shame because it was really demonstrative of surviving the early game with a weak character 19:45 <@Tone> I do have another full wizard ascension on youtube though 19:45 i try to let the pet do most of the fighting, but i also try to get my wizard up to xl4 or 5 before trying the mines 19:45 Which race do you can as advice for me ? human,orc,elf or gnome for wizard for beginner player ? 19:45 <@Luxidream> An important thing is to know what your pet can kill and what it can’t 19:45 <@shadowsapex> generally, wizards really shouldn't try to blitz the game 19:46 <@shadowsapex> you should go easier, more strategic 19:46 ^^ this 19:46 <@shadowsapex> and gnomish is probably easiest 19:46 <@rikersan> @Demo be proud of my bug abuse is working 19:46 But that's why i don't think it's a very good role for beginners. It takes a lot of patience 19:46 <@Luxidream> Objectively best is orc wizard I think 19:46 <@rikersan> I have now accumulated a bunch of sacrifice minions 19:46 <@rikersan> which are all monadic devas so not great 19:46 <@Luxidream> But less intuitive 19:47 <@rikersan> but hey they are immune to untaming from being friendly so I've got an army 19:47 but orc have low int and have no hungerless casting 19:47 so why orc is best ? 19:47 <@rikersan> #bringbackinfinitepets 19:47 <@Demo> I'm sorry I have no idea 19:47 <@rikersan> uniunsz: starting pois resistance 19:47 <@Luxidream> low int = better physical stats 19:47 orc isn't best for everyone, but it is my preference for a wizard 19:48 uniusz: all the races besides humans have infravision. Which is something you might want to think about when choosing race. It's very helpful early on 19:48 more fun to play, but that doesn't make it best for anyone really 19:48 <@Luxidream> poison resistance, and even with 16 int you can cast most spells 19:48 okay, for now i had mostly trying elf, for next plays ill try orc, if not go well ill try gnome, then human 19:48 <@shadowsapex> for a beginner, I recommend a lawful fighting role that can get excalibur 19:48 ill try to changing race in play of wizard, this is good idea 19:48 okay guys, im gratefull for all that help, thank you, now i need go to sleep, have good night, thanks again and seeya later 19:48 o/ 19:49 what shadowsapex said 19:49 the easiest role for a beginner is dwarf valk 19:49 yep 19:49 definitely not wizard. The game is hard enough for a newbie even playing valk 19:50 yes 19:50 -!- mrq has joined #hardfought 19:50 <@shadowsapex> also it's just more cathartic rushing everything with a sword... but that's just me 19:50 wizard is easy mode. 19:50 i think newcomers put too much value on spellcasting 19:50 -!- mrq has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 19:50 <@Luxidream> ^ 19:51 <@Luxidream> psa: wear mithril 19:51 hee 19:51 my spellcasters won't touch the stuff 19:51 studded leather is surprisingly good 19:51 Some people wear mithril until they buff up and then start using FB 19:52 i used to do that. i like my current approach much more 19:52 <@Luxidream> practically every wizard I ascend wears a full suit of mines armor 19:52 til when? 19:52 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG "You read: "Through me you pass into the city of woe; [\n] Teternal pain; [\n] TYou see here a potion of invisibility.e."" (on top of the VOTD inscriptions, note the weird Ts instead of the lines for the curses borders and the weird e thing at the end of the pot of invis thing 19:52 Will do, @rikersan! 19:52 well yes but that's you 19:52 you're not like these others 19:52 like, when do you make the switch to non-metal armor? 19:53 <@Luxidream> Sometimes post castle 19:53 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG the inscription is 4 lines long, but the last line is being overridden by walking on the pot of invis, it writes over that, so the e. is leftover from "... aye." from the inscription 19:53 Will do, @rikersan! 19:53 <@shadowsapex> when you get dsm 19:53 oh wow. sou you just play it like a regualr character until DSM? I should try that 19:53 <@Luxidream> If I have a shield of reflection then never 19:53 hi 19:53 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 19:53 Well, what's the point of playing wizard and not cassting spells? 19:54 he can cast spells 19:54 <@Luxidream> Sometimes you don’t get good spells 19:54 <@Luxidream> If you have magic missile it’s probably fine to lighten up a bit 19:54 rebatela: you should watch luxidream play 19:54 yeah. I play monks these days and pray a lot ( for spellbooks ) and poly the garbage ones. I always get the good spells 19:54 <@Luxidream> Or charm monster 19:54 i told you, he's not like us 19:55 charm monster is the best spell in the game 19:55 <@Luxidream> If you have an altar you are already in good shape 19:55 or remove curse at skilled. that's pretty huge 19:55 i prefer a magic harp, but it is powerful 19:56 dammit. whenever i'm doing well at taking a break from nethack I end up reading/talking about it and inevitably start playing 19:56 <@Luxidream> You can wear metal armor and strip off for any utility spell 19:56 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG I also just realized that illurien is dead but hasn't reappeared, looks like she might have died in a funky way that didn't proc the deathdrop and set the flag for making her harass 19:56 Will do, @rikersan! 19:56 <@Luxidream> so essentially, metal armor only restricts combat spells 19:58 -!- meinside has joined #hardfought 19:59 -!- meinside has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 19:59 -!- uniusz has left #hardfought 19:59 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG is this intentional? dipping holy water into anything will always bless the water, even if it's polymorph and should polypile the water. works with acid as well, should explode there 19:59 Will do, @rikersan! 20:03 Does anyone else find 3.62hdf harder than 3.61? I usually play 3.61 on NAO and for some reason keep dying in 3.62 20:03 Similar to how 3.43 just feels "easier". I dunno it's nothing I can pinpoint 20:03 I seem to have an easier time with 3.62. 20:04 yeah. maybe it's just me. I'm determined to ascend now 20:04 But I would guess that's because of increased familiarity with the 3.6 series. As opposed to when playing 3.61 I was so used to 3.4.x 20:04 i have like 20 or so ascensions in 3.61 since june 20:04 <@rikersan> likely a variant of variant paranoia 20:04 is there any outstanding most common cause of death for you, or widely varying? 20:04 but keep dying in 362 (and like i said, it's not the spiderwebs.. the only differnce i notice) 20:04 <@rikersan> it might just feel harder because of those particular runs, because you're thinking about what's different 20:05 yeah, most likely 20:05 <@Luxidream> screw spiderwebs 20:05 <@Luxidream> literally just there to waste your time 20:05 <@rikersan> ikr 20:05 <@shadowsapex> implying all of nethack isn't there to waste your time 20:06 it's such a dumb change. This is why i have trouble playing variants. I'll read the changes and really like some of the ideas, and then there is just one arbitrary thing that the developer added that I think is SO dumb. It turns me off 20:07 <@Luxidream> So to that nethack should introduce an arbitrary delay between turns? 20:08 <@Luxidream> For no other reason than it wastes more of your time? 20:08 ANd honestly I think what makes vanilla nethack so great is the stubbornness to change and the time between releases. As frustrating as it is, you know the rules and thre aren't all these stupid little changes all the time 20:09 <@Luxidream> I don’t know. I just know when I start running again I’m going to be frustrated 20:09 <@Luxidream> even though it’s probably a lost minute tops 20:09 <@Luxidream> oh, I think there should be changes. most people do 20:09 The Elbereth nerf was huge (and much needed) but other than that, all the changes are kind of little silly things. Hey lets put 3 and 6 pieces of gold instead of 43 and 56. ANd now we get spider webs 20:10 <@Luxidream> orctown change is significant 20:10 <@Luxidream> sokoban is significant 20:10 <@Luxidream> monster speed randomization is also not very silly 20:12 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ 'The November NetHack Tournament' build is now open for public beta testing, please see the tournament menu for details 20:12 food, bbl 20:12 fair enough 20:12 I can't stand ORctown and thnk it was a terrible idea 20:13 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 20:13 whoever added that was on here the other night and i had to bite my lip. I'm sure they've heard enough 20:13 <@Luxidream> who added orctown? Paxed? 20:14 nah. I forget their name but they were talking about it . wasn't paxed 20:14 <@Luxidream> lorimer? 20:14 there ya go 20:14 <@Luxidream> the spork dev 20:15 i mean.. nothing against them. I just wish it never made it to vanilla lol 20:15 <@Luxidream> There are more evil things in sporkhack 20:15 I woulnd't care except I like to play monks. I've never done the "protection racket". But I do need to buy protection since no armor 20:15 also having an unlocking tool and a blindfold can be useful 20:15 <@Luxidream> You can get the luckstone 20:15 as well as price id 20:16 <@Luxidream> and then max your luck 20:16 <@Luxidream> to wear body armor 20:16 yeah you can get the luckstone and you can convert the altar which is nice 20:16 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 20:16 yeah sometimes i wear body armor towards the end of the game (more so I can wear the eye and get reflection form the armor ) 20:17 but early on those first d4 and next couple purchases of AC are huge if you're not wearing the DSM everyone else is 20:18 and if you don't get a general store in the dungeon, id'ing stuff becomes a pain. I've ascended with no shops at all but i still like having a nice little happy minetown :) 20:18 <@Luxidream> You can wear mithril after you get the luckstone 20:18 <@Luxidream> that’s what I usually end up doing 20:19 <@Luxidream> you can even wear mithril and kick things at the very beginning of the game 20:19 <@Luxidream> because kicking tohit isn’t affected by armor 20:19 yeah. I've never really tried hitting until I'm high level with max stats. i have no idea where the threshold is. But I have been in Astral with a cockatrice corpse and gotten the "your armor is cumbersome" message 20:20 <@Luxidream> c corpse is unskilled, and some of the player monsters have absurd AC 20:20 <@Luxidream> like, one eyed Sam level AC 20:20 yeah 20:20 that's true 20:20 damn. you guys know so much about this game 20:20 I usually hang out in #nethack. I always forget about hardfought. 20:21 <@Luxidream> I was there when I was new 20:21 <@Luxidream> I thought it’s usually pretty dead there 20:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:22 it's completely dead 20:22 I'm probably being too chatty, but there's very little discussion there. Good people though and i'm sure they are here too 20:23 i'm going to shutup and play 20:24 <@Luxidream> mind if I watch? need something to background while I do hw 20:25 oh wow. robe on the floor of DL1. not sure i've ever seen that 20:25 I can't stop you from watching :) 20:25 <@Luxidream> some people don’t like it 20:25 I suck at this game though and am in a funny mood if y'all can't tell lol 20:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 20:28 frustrating having intrinsic speed with a pet who doesn't. I might ditch this fella 20:29 -!- reapersan has joined #hardfought 20:29 -!- reapersan has quit [Client Quit] 20:29 the only player I know that actively avoids being watched is raisse 20:30 rebatela: sorry for unleashing spider webs on vanilla :( 20:30 -!- reapersan has joined #hardfought 20:31 aosdict: haha i didn't know it was you. LOL it doesn't bother me that much 20:32 <@Luxidream> one time I asked if there could be a constant twitch stream of hardfought players, and I think the consensus was that we would need individual player approval 20:32 <@Luxidream> that's why I asked 20:32 You're actually one of the one's who's ideas i like !! Love talking NH with ya 20:33 I don't mind being watched as long as people don't go "wtf are you DOING?? You should have done Foo! Never do Foo without Foo first ! " 20:34 rebatela: to be fair, the devteam implementation differs from the original xnh implementation (but I backported their change to avoid divergence) 20:34 and of course they didn't take the all important feature of you can forcefight webs to cut through them 20:39 I played a 90k turn game yesterday (and got killed by pestilence/death a few steps for the 3rd altar) AND NEVER SAW A PICKAXE IN THE ENTIRE GAME 20:39 can you fix that aosdict? I'll take the spiderwebs if you'll give me a pickaxe 20:40 <@Luxidream> play arc. guaranteed pickaxe :p 20:40 eventually I hung out in the mines long enough to get a dwarvish mattock and was running through gehennom walls with +5 mattock. It actually worked out pretty well. They're not THAT much heavier. 20:40 Just thought it was strange 20:41 They're twice as heavy, right? 20:41 And why is there so much garbage armor the whole game? chain and splint mail EVERYWHERE even later on, in 'nom etc. 20:41 <@Luxidream> pickaxes are 100 20:41 i don't think they're twice as heavy 20:41 maybe 20:42 <@Luxidream> I think mattocks are 120 or something 20:42 <@Luxidream> yep 20:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:41793 20:44 rebatela: part of it is, under the current system, there *has* to be a lot of garbage armor, otherwise there would be way too much magical armor lying around. 20:45 Take a leaf out of DCSS's book and let players Ctrl-F items # yeah, harder than it looks 20:46 <@Luxidream> FIQ has already done that 20:46 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the ghost of gomez, the former Lookout, on T:5380 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Gno Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pyramidal amulet on an altar, on T:3075 20:50 i dont' think i've found a magic lamp in minetown since 3.43 lol 20:52 [hdf-us] [slex] jonball (Sli Aur Fem Cha), 24 points, T:83, killed by a monster (little spider) 20:59 Is it 8 and down where poly traps start? 21:00 like is 8 included ? 21:00 ahh i just remembered that spare robe on DL 1. I can take more risks 21:05 8 and down yes 21:16 . 21:16 Chris_ANG: Messages from @rikersan have been forwarded to you privately. 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 2296 points, T:4202, killed by a mumak 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Arc Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3025 21:19 Thanks a bunch, Camaxtli. I really needed my bullwhip blessed instead of you healing me in combat. 21:19 Illurien doesn't deathdrop, the book is in her inventory when she spawns. Seems like she never died at all? 21:24 <@rikersan> I mean 21:24 <@rikersan> I got the "illurien of the myriad glimpses resists... IMG resists... IMG is killed!" 21:24 <@rikersan> from mirrorbrand cancelling 21:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] shadowsapex (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (mind flayer), on T:3242 21:30 Huh. Then I go back to her losing the book somehow. 21:31 I don't know if artifact books resist damage in mvm combat. 21:31 I don't *think* a water trap will blank them, but... 21:32 I think blanking would tend to preserve name/artifactness anyway. 21:32 <@rikersan> yeah 21:32 <@Demo> it would 21:32 <@rikersan> oh yeah 21:32 <@rikersan> it used to blank didn't it 21:32 <@Demo> as we found out with amnesia 21:32 <@rikersan> I remember that 21:32 <@rikersan> I first thought it was grue digesting, but no I killed IMG 21:32 The Alhoon Necronomicon is also not death dropped, it's placed via the .des 21:33 <@rikersan> oh 21:33 <@rikersan> still applies tho 21:33 You may also be getting lucky with interference/rnz rolls 21:33 <@rikersan> cuz it was the bug with the bones level bit, not the bug with the alhoon dropping there at least 21:33 I've never played DCSS. Isn't that like the easy nethack ? Am I starting some kind of war by even mentioning it? My brother used to play a ton of Angband. I never see people talk about that either. But he's ascended Nh so I give him a break 21:33 Artifact books can also appear in bones files (wizmoded). 21:34 Did your other artifacts duplicate in the bones file incident? 21:35 <@rikersan> dcss is kinda just different 21:35 <@rikersan> it's not the same style as nethack imo, just kinda different 21:35 <@rikersan> has like more customization options for race/role/etc. 21:35 It is very definitely not like the easy NetHack :-) 21:36 <@rikersan> yeah that's true 21:36 i know. BUt the little bit I've read about it it seems like the people who play it can't handle nethack and get very defensive about it 21:36 <@rikersan> chris_ang no they didn't 21:36 It is sort of like NetHack in that while the original author set out to write a new game, NetHack was the roguelike he'd played, the frame of reference he had; so especially older Crawls have a lot of unthinking NetHackisms 21:36 <@rikersan> because i had them all ofc 21:36 rebatela: Uh, anyone who can win Crawl can "handle NetHack" 21:36 <@rikersan> I couldn't even find a blank spellbook there, but that may have been my tulani and surya spamming fire pillar/ball 21:36 see? 21:36 lol 21:37 I'm just joking 21:37 Going off memory here, 21:37 BUt, its hard to imagine anything being harder than nh unspoiled 21:38 but when a bones file is loaded duplicate artifacts are converted into base items of the type. 21:38 However (especially in this day when spoilers are so readily available) that is not typically how NetHack is played 21:38 -!- reapersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:38 right 21:39 So if none of your artifacts got duplicated (but your other gear did), that suggests the bones file went through the normal load process. 21:39 Which was fine for artifacts in your inventory, because your inventory was not part of the file being loaded. 21:40 But the Book wasn't *in* your inventory, so it would have been destroyed for being a duplicate of itself. 21:42 <@rikersan> yes it did 21:42 <@rikersan> well 21:42 <@rikersan> I don't have the book in my inv tho 21:42 <@rikersan> I'm certain of that lol 21:42 <@rikersan> the book isnt' destroyed like the amulet or similar? 21:44 No, they're valid bones items 21:45 I'm not sure what you mean by "yes it did", your inventory duplicated but your artifacts did not? 21:45 Not sure what's up with the VotD strings :/ 21:46 <@rikersan> my inventory duplicated entirely 21:46 <@rikersan> just like a bones thing, some bits were cursed as well 21:46 <@rikersan> the artifacts were copied as well, but since I already had generated them all by carrying them, they were just plain items but +enchantment as normal 21:47 <@rikersan> (i.e. I had a +5 tshirt and +7 gauntlets of dex, +3 ceramic drain res helm, etc. after that) 21:51 Had you visited and left/saved and loaded the level before? 21:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8046 21:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 8417 points, T:8186, killed by a white unicorn, while praying 22:08 <@rikersan> chris_ang yes 22:12 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 22:12 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 22:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 22:15 <@rikersan> chris, do you know if anybody has killed demo as a bard before? 22:18 -!- tacco| has quit [] 22:47 -!- dgsry has joined #hardfought 22:48 -!- dgsry has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 22:56 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] Menche (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2106 points, T:3078, killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper 22:56 <@shadowsapex> i always wonder how these things happen 23:00 in my experience, the most justifiable explanation is "I teleported/levelported/fell into a shop while invisible and with no way out, and had no choice but to attack the shopkeeper desperately" 23:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:05 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:07 <@Tone> Well we could find out 23:07 <@Tone> !lastgame menche 23:07 @Tone: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Menche/nh361/dumplog/1538448904.nh361.txt 23:08 looks like rage over spilling carried cream pies 23:09 <@Tone> :D 23:10 <@Tone> Hard to tell from that message log actually, and I can't read the map since I'm on mobile 23:11 No clue re- bard vs Demo 23:11 -!- inspectorcluseau has joined #hardfought 23:11 -!- inspectorcluseau has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 23:11 <@Tone> Also wearing a cloak of invis so I don't believe we can check for perms invis 23:11 How many winning bard games have there even been XD 23:13 they robbed the store by digging through the floor, then came back for some reason, later 23:16 (i think they just wanted a marker and a 80zm stone) 23:33 omg, I just prayed my way out of a purple worm at 9hp... fairly early game, Minetown, worm was actually a shapeshifter but it still had a digest attack. I didn't have any wands yet 23:33 whew. 23:36 ... then of course i forgot to even heal up after running away and locking myself in a temple. So when I boldly stepped out all relieved, I was killed by the first passing beetle :D 23:37 <@IceBox> You poor devil 23:37 <@IceBox> Shape shifters really cracked me up the first time I saw them 23:38 <@IceBox> Cuz it was an arch lich at d lvl 7 and I was like oh that has to be a chameleon and its form is Just an Illusion 23:38 <@IceBox> I learned an important lesson that day 23:39 they're amazing when you're also hallu. 23:44 aosdict: "Turns out shopkeepers can still punch you to death even if you have magic resistance" 23:54 @IceBox I think it would be more balanced if shapechangers retained some attributes of their regular form; monster MR, for instance; HP being another. 23:55 Pw, too, if monsters had that.