00:02 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:19 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:50015 00:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:40, on T:51021 00:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:51023 00:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:51199 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] Aleyn (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Quetzalcoatl, on T:3558 00:49 -!- tenbeers has joined #hardfought 00:52 Is there any danger in a cursed bugle? 00:53 It doesn't wield itself or something, right? 00:59 no 00:59 it'll wake up soldiers like any bugle I gues 01:03 that I know it does. 01:03 i was gladly using it earlier to wake them so that my knight did not attack them dishonorably 01:03 fun times! 01:07 aaand just a little bit of drawbridge roulette was enough to remind me that AC -6 is not safe at all around Xorns and worse. 01:07 hafta come back later. 01:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:23254 01:21 yay attie! 01:24 found a second magic lamp and decided to risk the first :) 01:25 I should stop playing valkyries at some point 01:25 they're too easy 01:25 there does come a point! 01:25 I played them long ago until I hit that, but nowadays if I play one I tend to die of not being careful. 01:26 that was probably how I got interested in wizards, going with the opposite, needing to take care at first. 01:26 I haven't tried wizards since 360 01:26 but now I'm trying to branch out: monk, samurai, ranger, rogue, priest. kind of surprised to be alive this long on a knight, which I'm not good at. 01:27 they're still a nightmare until you get some carrying capacity :| 01:27 I should, I remember relying heavily on cowering on E while my kitten dispatched all the enemies 01:27 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 01:27 I like rogues 01:27 throw daggers everywhere 01:27 you can save yourself a lot on a very early wiz by casting force bolt offensively as long as you have food. 01:27 and they start with a bag and a lock pick! 01:27 yes! 01:27 they're squishy though! 01:28 and a blindfold sometimes even 01:28 but yes, I should rogue more. 01:28 it'll happen. 01:28 not *that* squishy 01:28 and you dagger from afar 01:28 I think I'm about to attempt the old "freeze a path across medusa's lake" 01:28 that's true. And daggers I know well from wizarding. I'm always using them as far as I can on a wiz. 01:28 (and of course they're better on a rogue) 01:28 I ran out of Pw way too quickly for spellcasting to be any use early game as a wiz 01:29 I'm sad they nerfed daggers on wiz 01:29 on an elven wiz it seems you can use force bolt about every 3rd or 4th fight. 01:29 although it makes sense 01:29 yeah, that hurt, but it does 01:29 getting Magicbane was (well, sort of still is) kind of a guarantee of very likely ascent 01:30 but wiz is all about patience. the quality I most needed this game to teach me. 01:32 I'll definitely need a few games to recalibrate just how squishy they are. 01:32 I splatted my priest earlier by overestimating his toughness 01:33 T got an extra turn in and poof 01:33 wow. I'm almost surprised I had enough charges (known, 2) in my frost horn, and in my single (unknown charges!) wand of cold to get across Medusa's pond and not die to these rothes and baby dragons. 01:33 I've lost so many priests in the past week! 01:34 I usually do reasonably, but I didn't get a better weapon than my starting mace, and by mid-game that just wasn't enough damage any more 01:34 I got pretty reliable at taking them to Minetown and through Sokoban and getting to around -5 AC, but then I always die anyway at right about that point. That's when I meet my first Olog-Hai or mumak or leocrotta or something. 01:34 should've altar-squatted somewhere 01:34 yeah! 01:34 usually I hope to wish for the sceptre 01:34 My last good priest this past week, I made it to the quest for the first time on a priest in a long time. And died in a no-teleport corridor standing in a bear trap, with a succubus ripping my armor off on one side of me, and Yeenoghu on the other side. 01:34 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:35 welp 01:35 it was a long long long death too, so painful. I had over 300 Pw and kept healing but I couldn't keep my damned pants on! 01:35 woulda helped if they were literally damned. I shoulda thought of that... 01:35 snerk 01:36 I also had not even identified scrolls of scare monster 01:36 those are so much more important since 360 01:36 yes! 01:36 i need to get good (for my first time) at using them. 01:36 forgot to m-move on the soko prize, it turned to dust before I could read the label :| 01:37 I took a very incorrect attitude about them many many years ago when I was new -- "anything that disintegrates is probably not worth investing in" 01:37 mm yeah 01:37 eh, in 343 they were the same as Elbereth 01:37 so it was only relevant if you were confused or stunned 01:37 oh that's right. a reason why I was not messing up by ignoring them 01:37 yeah 01:38 these days I keep getting really lucky identifying them. so often lately i step onto a pile of stuff and my pet gets scared so I know the one scroll in it is that. 01:38 even has happened in many shops in recent games. 01:38 if there's one in a shop that's nice 01:38 for sure. 01:38 lately I identify them in soko only though 01:39 and that one is cursed so you can't use it 01:39 right! 01:39 just to keep the door-opening monsters off 01:39 it doesn't even do that 01:39 oh! 01:39 keeps pets off, right? 01:39 I think it has no effect unless you are actually standing on it? 01:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 01:40 just by being cursed. 01:40 but yeah 01:40 <@shadowsapex> monsters won't step on it ever 01:40 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 01:40 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 01:40 <@shadowsapex> but it won't scare unless you're there 01:40 <@shadowsapex> at least I heard that? 01:40 hmm but why is there always some @ wearing the amulet in the zoo 01:40 I've had cats picking them up in shops and bringing them to me 01:41 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:41 it doesn't keep away anything if you're not on it 01:41 Hmm. so I'm lvl 13, not ready to quest yet. Fighting pretty strong but AC -6 is just not great. I don't have a lot of magic IDd yet. I don't have a BoH. I'm not strong enough for the Castle monsters. I killed Medusa, I have reflection via Soko amulet, but don't have much MC or MR. I wonder what i'm going to do until I can quest. 01:41 (knight) 01:41 find ludios? 01:41 I could... Excalibur is helping with the searching 01:41 lots of soldiers and all their wands except strikin will reflect off you 01:42 and I've only been there twice, that would be a nice vacation, I suppose. I sure wish I had a BoH before that but yeah 01:42 that's a good place for XP, yep 01:42 thanks, and hi! 01:42 I'm glad I finally found a sack on dlvl 15 01:42 they won't have much equipment that you don't already have (though I usually find better leather gloves there) 01:42 containerless is the worst conduct! 01:42 totally! 01:43 some games, every time you hang around an altar the game sends monsters every 40 turns or so. Other games altars seem to be deserted zones and you can only hope for a source of creation. 01:48 some games, sacrificing one newt makes Quetzalcoatl give you Grayswandir, other games you need to altar-camp until you're level 6 and all you get is Demonbane 01:52 -!- Biessie19 has joined #hardfought 01:54 oh I haven't bothered to do ludios in forever, I should seek it out 01:55 -!- lennard0 has joined #hardfought 01:55 -!- lennard0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55 where did I put my pickaxe... 01:56 -!- Biessie19 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:01 aosdict: there already is a trap that makes the walls invisible in slex :D 02:01 LarienTelrunya: Message from AntiGulp at 2018-09-26 16:19 EDT: Be very careful implementing any AD_WIND monster. I had to modify hurtle code because otherwise a monster that causes hurtling can stunlock the player against a wall (source: I theorized this was possible, and then it happened to me), causing an automatic death. 02:02 I rememberd why I rarely go for Ludios. I usually die of boredom first. 02:02 !tell AntiGulp oh don't worry, slex doesn't have AD_WIND, it has AD_DISP instead which just pushes the player back but without taking away your movement energy :D 02:02 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:02 the fact that you can't even be sure Ludios *exists* when you start running around so many levels trying to eliminate the possibility that there's an unchecked vault :( 02:05 -!- jesusaur5 has joined #hardfought 02:06 -!- jesusaur5 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:24497 02:06 yay! speaking of altar work... 02:06 so now it'll be Grayswandir and my spare silver saber which I already trained up. 02:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:23 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:23 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh362] Aleyn (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7048 02:27 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:33 -!- kingswayvil has joined #hardfought 02:34 -!- kingswayvil has left #hardfought 02:34 -!- kingswayvil has joined #hardfought 02:35 -!- kingswayvil has left #hardfought 02:58 sblargh. quest to get from Xp lvl 13 to 14 foiled by another poly trap that kept me human but sent me to Xlvl 12. 03:01 -!- dallbee28 has joined #hardfought 03:03 -!- kuon5 has joined #hardfought 03:05 -!- dallbee28 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06 good luck, all. good night. 03:06 -!- kuon5 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06 -!- tenbeers has quit [Quit: turns to dust!] 03:18 -!- Emine has joined #hardfought 03:18 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:18 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 03:20 -!- Emine has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27 -!- mtudosoiu2 has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- mtudosoiu2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 03:37 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:45 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 03:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1798 points, T:2605, killed by a giant beetle, while frozen by a monster's gaze 03:59 -!- andy09usa22 has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- andy09usa22 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01 noo 04:02 also my dog was not called "it"... 04:02 -!- dr-gibson28 has joined #hardfought 04:04 -!- dr-gibson28 has quit [K-Lined] 04:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:11 <@kritixilithos> can the user enter non-printable ascii characters for monster names? 04:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] Aleyn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 24191 points, T:12757, killed by a blue jelly 04:11 probably? 04:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a fortune cookie, on T:3901 04:44 -!- Sigyn has quit [Quit: People always have such a hard time believing that robots could do bad things.] 04:48 -!- Sigyn has joined #hardfought 04:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Sigyn] by ChanServ 04:48 -!- Sigyn has quit [Excess Flood] 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] Hill (Hea Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5985 04:56 -!- [0__0]24 has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- Sigyn has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Sigyn] by ChanServ 04:57 -!- [0__0]24 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01 -!- ash_worksi25 has joined #hardfought 05:06 -!- ash_worksi25 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:07 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 05:21 -!- notsponsible19 has joined #hardfought 05:23 -!- notsponsible19 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36 -!- bouteille has joined #hardfought 05:40 -!- bouteille has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Hill (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8691 05:43 -!- nospoon1 has joined #hardfought 05:47 -!- nospoon1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 18888 points, T:8817, quit 08:20 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 08:20 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM 0.0.8E0F2 is now available for play! ¤ quiet mode is enabled, ask an OP if you need to be voiced 08:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 08:22 <[Demo]> hi Beholder 08:22 !ping 08:22 K2: Pong! 08:23 -!- Jannis_V27 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:24 !role slex 08:24 LarienTelrunya: gangster 08:24 :) 08:24 !who 08:24 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] rebatela [nh362] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:24 -!- annexseven10 has joined #hardfought 08:28 -!- annexseven10 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 08:35 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:44 -!- lifeeth29 has joined #hardfought 08:45 -!- lifeeth29 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02 -!- lel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:05 -!- lel has joined #hardfought 09:12 -!- K2 has quit [Quit: Rico, smoke! *poof*] 09:13 -!- mode/Beholder_ [+RZi] by Beholder_ 09:13 -!- karatkievich.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM 0.0.8E0F2 is now available for play! ¤ quiet mode is enabled, ask an OP if you need to be voiced 09:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder_] by ChanServ 09:14 whoops scrollback 09:15 -!- mode/Beholder__ [+RZi] by Beholder__ 09:15 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM 0.0.8E0F2 is now available for play! ¤ quiet mode is enabled, ask an OP if you need to be voiced 09:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder__] by ChanServ 09:15 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 09:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 09:16 -!- hf_guest_12887 has joined #hardfought 09:16 ok 09:16 we're good 09:17 -!- Beholder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:17 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 09:17 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM 0.0.8E0F2 is now available for play! ¤ quiet mode is enabled, ask an OP if you need to be voiced 09:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 09:17 !ping 09:17 K2: Pong! 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 41 points, T:143, killed by a bear trap 09:18 -!- Beholder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:18 <@Demo> those do dmg in vanilla now? 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 8 points, T:182, killed by a bolt of fire 09:28 bye all 09:28 see you sunday :P 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 167 points, T:901, killed by a brown mold 09:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 6 points, T:27, killed by a newt 09:47 -!- hf_guest_12887 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 09:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:48 -!- markedfinesse12 has joined #hardfought 09:49 -!- buriedalive8 has joined #hardfought 09:51 -!- buriedalive8 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53 -!- markedfinesse12 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54 -!- jamesrichardson5 has joined #hardfought 09:56 -!- jamesrichardson5 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 09:59 Good morning all 09:59 So what's this I hear about team size limit for TNNT? 10:02 K2 stated that the goal is to prevent "the free for all team building that ensues at junethack" 10:05 I feel like that's targeting one specific person lol 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3668 10:12 -!- ironsteel has joined #hardfought 10:13 -!- ironsteel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17 if you are not able to make your teams attractive that's not a design problem 10:18 I bet they didn't even tried bribes! 10:19 I like the idea of having a bit of variety 10:20 it's always the same teams every time 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3199 points, T:4018, killed by a rothe, while praying 10:22 I declare myself a free agent. Recruiting bids start at 1000000zm 10:24 <@Luxidream> alright, 223 dilithium crystals, payable once I get my pudding farm set up 10:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:25 -!- SergeantBiggs18 has joined #hardfought 10:25 <@Luxidream> Meet me at the ascension bar 10:27 -!- SergeantBiggs18 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27 I should be there soon! 10:29 <@Luxidream> do all demigods from different variants go to the same bar? 10:30 I bid 223 dilithium crystals + 1 zorkmid 10:31 -!- l0rdkermit11 has joined #hardfought 10:35 also luxidream's trying to shortchange you! You won't get fair market value for those crystals! 10:35 -!- l0rdkermit11 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1363 points, T:4309, killed by a magic missile 10:55 -!- Zougloub19 has joined #hardfought 10:56 -!- Lord_of_Life29 has joined #hardfought 10:57 -!- Lord_of_Life29 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59 -!- Zougloub19 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02 -!- hf_guest_40916 has joined #hardfought 11:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:18 -!- nslu2-log19 has joined #hardfought 11:20 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:21 -!- Red_Devil has joined #hardfought 11:21 -!- nslu2-log19 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23 -!- Chipm0nk has joined #hardfought 11:24 -!- Red_Devil has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25 -!- Chipm0nk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33 -!- bmomjian has joined #hardfought 11:34 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 11:35 @luxidream The resale value on dilithium crystals is horrible. As soon as you enter Astral their value just tanks. 11:36 -!- bmomjian has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:32968 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:32991 11:53 -!- hf_guest_40916 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:33029 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Cav Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3537 11:57 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:33121 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33124 12:26 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 12:27 % a piece of food (corpse named Raisse) 12:28 looks like meat's back on the menu, boys 12:28 (in a graveyard in slex) 12:28 sadly I probably can't reach it before it rots away, would be interested in seeing which role it is 12:28 how the bleep did a corpse named after me get into a slex graveyard? I never played it enough to get on a highscore list 12:28 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Law) had samurai sword named Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Athena, on T:12239 12:29 raisse: it's probably hardcoded in 12:29 lol 12:30 raisse: your max score in slex was 2879 points, and back then it was the 66th place on the list; not sure about the standing in the current list 12:31 but apparently still good enough to be eligible for graveyard corpse generation :) 12:31 silly (but fun) 12:32 ugh I'd have to cut through way too many undead to get to the corpses... winsalot is also in there 12:32 and three AmyBSOD's :D 12:32 I predict it's either an arc or a wiz 12:34 -!- jgroves has joined #hardfought 12:35 wizard, as it turns out 12:35 ah! I predicted correctly! 12:35 does it say what race? 12:35 and a psion corpse named Winsalot of course 12:36 it doesn't, but according to the dumplog you were an orcish wizard from https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/slex/dumplog/1527841336.slex.txt 12:36 ah yes, orc wiz is plausible 12:36 (I play a lot of those) 12:37 wtf I died 12:37 what the hell 12:37 ... that's what happens? 12:37 err 12:37 how the hell did that happen 12:38 it's the ciiiircle of slex! 12:38 uhh I want to see the ttyrec of that one 12:39 ... I don't get it, that shouldn't have done 54 damage to me in one shot. 12:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 8201 points, T:7189, killed by a forest centaur, while frozen by a potion 12:40 Check your ranged damage code. I flipped a sign so that ranged attacks INCREASED in damage due to negative AC, rather than decreasing XD 12:41 -!- jgroves has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] Aleyn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3879 12:43 slex took some dnh code for ranged damage? 12:46 <@Demo> Wait what it's bugfed? 12:46 ugh... it seems that the RNG just hated me, by rolling excessively high values for the rnz call that calculates level drain damage, so that death was probably legit... 12:47 in particular the line that says u.uhp -= rnz(3); 12:47 anyway, time to go to a restaurant with roommate ♥ later guys! 12:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:49 Bye Amy. 12:54 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5186 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2925 points, T:5375, killed by a snake 13:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:51609 13:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:51612 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh362] Aleyn (Arc Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 daggers on an altar, on T:5974 13:13 -!- tgrk has joined #hardfought 13:16 -!- tgrk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16 is the strategy of reading the book of the dead to raise the undead and then charm them a good strategy? 13:17 Generally, having the Book of the Dead means you are on the ascension run and do not want to delay for such antics. 13:17 Because Rodney has been awakened, so you are trying to get to the Astral Plane as quickly as possible. 13:17 well... this isn't my first rodeo :) 13:17 Ah. 13:18 I mean, how bad do you want a bunch of undead allies? 13:18 I guess since I geno'd L I won't get anything very good. 13:19 I usually dump it with the candellabrum and bell in moloch's discount sanctum 13:19 V aren't terrible pets, but they're also not extraordinary. 13:20 Of the three, the Candelabrum is the one with the strongest argument for keeping it. 13:20 Because light radius. 13:20 ya, but I'm out of candles. 13:21 and I can easily cast Light on Astral 13:21 Don't need it then. 13:21 in tnnt there's an achievement for refilling the candelabrum after it runs out :) 13:22 Is there one for reading the cursed Book of the Dead while standing on the High Altar of Moloch? 13:23 no 13:24 -!- uruwi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:26 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 13:28 -!- Tintle18 has joined #hardfought 13:30 -!- Tintle18 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor on Dlvl:28, on T:52846 13:55 -!- kelm has joined #hardfought 13:55 -!- kelm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56 -!- opung-28 has joined #hardfought 13:57 -!- DaftHatter has joined #hardfought 13:59 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59 -!- DaftHatter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00 -!- opung-28 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:54141 14:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor in the End Game, on T:54142 14:08 -!- kingswayvil has joined #hardfought 14:18 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:17324 14:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:54609 14:24 yay 14:25 I feel like I should go around killing everything else, but I'd hate to YASD on astral (again) 14:25 ooh, I like whoever suggested that I add where the Wizard was killed to the livelog. 14:25 congrats bouquet 14:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2642386 points, T:54649, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/xnethack/dumplog/1537655276.xnh.txt 14:26 -!- OlaRune has joined #hardfought 14:26 * bouquet bows 14:27 that was probably my most enjoyable run in a while. 14:27 wasn't easy until the end game. Had to struggle all through the beginning and middle. 14:27 in the end game you got PavelB's grayswandir... 14:27 not a single co-aligned altar until after medusa. 14:28 I owe it all to PavelB. 14:28 wait, where did you find his bones? 14:28 though I had a silver scimitar which wasn't bad either. 14:28 in gehennom. 14:29 weird thing was there was no armor among his bones 14:29 Huh, I thought he had not gotten past the quest. 14:30 there was a glass orb in his inventory, but I'd already wished for it. 14:30 he must have been stripped by a nymph, but she would have had to make multiple visits while fighting him. 14:31 aosdict: last week i made my one and only run past Medusa. I've cleared the quest one other time. 14:31 so I assume he was overwhelmed with baddies. 14:31 PavelB: Gotta love the formula that makes bones more likely to be saved the deeper you are 14:31 Otherwise the early floors would all be bones :P 14:32 !asc bouquet 14:32 bouquet: [hdf-us] bouquet has ascended 10 times in 205 games (4.88%): nh362:3 (5.17%), xnh:7 (6.86%) 14:32 nice even 10. 14:32 I should at some point sit down and actually play a full game of xnethack. I would probably notice a lot of things that I think aren't working properly. 14:33 -!- OlaRune has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh362] Aleyn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 717 points, T:8693, killed by a straw golem, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:33 -!- hotbobby16 has joined #hardfought 14:36 -!- hotbobby16 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] kingswayvil (Kni Hum Mal Law), 184 points, T:811, killed by a water demon 14:49 -!- uruwi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:51 -!- Amt12 has joined #hardfought 14:51 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:54 -!- Amt12 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55 the spellcasting is excellently done. Did you borrow from another variant? 14:55 I like that casting classes get bonuses so they don't just become hybrid warriors. 14:56 but utility classes still suffer casting hunger and power challenges, but it's still useful. 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "the blessed greased fixed +3 katana named Smickersmee", on T:40769 14:58 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:03 bouquet: the spellcasting system has drawn criticism for being too OP 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:40933 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:40934 15:03 maybe @Luxidream would like to comment, as I don't remember all of it? 15:03 define "OP" in this case. 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:41071 15:05 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 15:05 overpowered 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41085 15:05 as in, spellcasters are too powerful from the get-go, and only continue to be so 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] kingswayvil (Kni Hum Mal Law), 489 points, T:1539, killed by a gnome lord 15:06 <@Luxidream> I think specifically wizard casting force bolt for 3 mana is too strong 15:06 <@Luxidream> Combined with eregen changes 15:07 ya, I guess that's pretty accurate. However, dual wielding grayswandir and a silver sabre cuts through everything as fast as a wizard at max level. 15:07 power regen is op for wizards after the quest 15:07 <@Luxidream> magic missile also becomes ludicrously cheap 15:07 to answer your earlier question, certain mechanics of spellcasting and the overall Pw calculation formula come from FIQHack, but there is plenty of stuff that is specific to xnethack 15:07 <@Luxidream> and both are available extremely early 15:07 <@Luxidream> Utility spells are fine 15:08 @Luxidream Hmm, both of those directly derive from the wielding-spellbooks change. 15:08 wizards in xnh are pretty darn powerful, but I think they're complementary to my archaeologist that just finished. 15:08 what variant nerfs late-game wizards? 15:09 <@Luxidream> I actually really dislike giving wizards four spellbooks 15:09 nethack wizards in general avoid the balance penalty of D&D wizards, namely HP 15:09 nethack wizards can brew up full healing, wear DSM, and generally be as tanky as a barbarian or valkyrie in the late game. 15:10 any role can get excessive hp 15:10 Whereas according to D&D they are _definitely not_ supposed to be able to become tanks. 15:10 -!- aarwine7 has joined #hardfought 15:10 -!- aarwine7 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:11 even if you are using colour alchemy and full healing can't be made, you can get a fuckuva lot of hp 15:11 <@Luxidream> I had an alternate proposal at some point that FIQ never implemented 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:41309 15:11 [hdf-us] [slshm] Bard (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 253340 points, T:41998, killed by a soldier ant 15:11 hothraxxa: nurse dancing, and it being tied to XL rather than considering role, yes. 15:11 make them monks? 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:41318 15:12 <@Luxidream> That involves giving them a wand of enlightenment with four charges, a wand of magic missile, and 2 scrolls of remove curse in place of their random items 15:12 nerf nurse dancing and someone will farm foocubi 15:13 <@Luxidream> so that wizards can still make use of magic items, but discourages scumming 15:13 Hmm, Yesterday!ais523 would criticize that as reducing game variety 15:14 it does nothing to change the wizard late game 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41538 15:16 <@Luxidream> Sporkhack needs late game wizard by forcing them to wear the eye for eregen 15:16 <@Luxidream> also nerfs eregen 15:17 <@Luxidream> Wizard doesn’t need to be nerfed relative to other roles though 15:17 <@Luxidream> Anyone who reaches that point has won 15:17 well not everyone 15:18 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 15:18 i think there might be an astral splat or two in the crowd 15:19 -!- kingswayvil has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:19 eg you can be extremely op and eat a lump of royal jelly before facing famine 15:20 that turns out to be rotten and makes you pass out 15:20 whereupon both pestilence and famine beat you to dywypi 15:20 that could happen 15:21 xnh riders are tougher than vanilla I think. 15:21 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:21 istr that they are 15:21 but that scenario can happen in any variant 15:22 <@Luxidream> You can make arrangements to be oversatiated before astral and wear life saving 15:22 sure 15:23 i try to be satiated before facing famine. sometimes... 15:23 well, more like this one time 15:24 my point was that an op wizard or any other role hasn't necessarily won until the choir sings 15:24 bouquet: There aren't any Rider changes except the flavor messages for when you encounter them. 15:24 (btw what did you think of those?) 15:24 oh. who added a bunch of hp to the riders then? some variant did 15:24 I actually stopped to read them. It's a nice touch. 15:24 <@Luxidream> un gives them 120 hp 15:24 <@Luxidream> roughly 15:25 never been to un astral 15:25 did you meet any of them besides Death? 15:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:26 nope, just Death. I always stop and think "should I go on a rampage in Astral?... no, I should just offer this thing and start another game". 15:28 <@Luxidream> once you reach that point in the game you have virtually unlimited time to get everything you need to prepare for worst case scenarios 15:28 <@Luxidream> any situation can be avoided 15:28 this is one reason why I want to add a very loose hunger clock 15:28 <@Luxidream> so theoretically you have won 15:29 i agree about the resources. i've said as much many times 15:30 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Law) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:22866 15:30 just because you can doesn't mean you will 15:30 -!- vincian2 has joined #hardfought 15:31 anyway, you can't win this argument you know, because there are plenty of late game splats 15:34 -!- vincian2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36 !role 15:36 bouquet: fiqhack healer 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:42941 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42942 15:36 fiqhack,huh... 15:39 I'll be honest... the NH4 derivatives seem to render curses slow for me. 15:39 so I don't play them any more. 15:39 maybe I need a better graphics card 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:43116 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:43249 15:44 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:47 -!- jandrusk13 has joined #hardfought 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:43304 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:43319 15:48 -!- jandrusk13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:43339 15:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:43362 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:43380 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:43400 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:43423 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3565991 points, T:43444, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hypnotist/nh361/dumplog/1537870723.nh361.txt 15:55 -!- LogicalApex7 has joined #hardfought 15:55 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 15:56 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 15:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 15:58 -!- LogicalApex7 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1139 points, T:3447, killed by a giant ant 16:09 -!- NotLim_ has joined #hardfought 16:10 -!- bikachu3 has joined #hardfought 16:12 -!- NotLim_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15 -!- bikachu3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18 -!- arosusi has joined #hardfought 16:22 -!- arosusi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22 -!- robled3 has joined #hardfought 16:25 -!- robled3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 596 points, T:2082, killed by a gnome 16:25 -!- kingswayvil has joined #hardfought 16:30 -!- urinsane has joined #hardfought 16:35 -!- urinsane has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39 @Luxidream what proposal? 16:39 oh, right, wizard starting inv 16:48 -!- kingswayvil has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:58 -!- spiette_ has joined #hardfought 16:58 -!- spiette_ is now known as Guest57815 16:58 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 17:02 -!- Guest57815 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05 bouquet: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2096 17:09 tru 17:17 -!- inukshuk19 has joined #hardfought 17:20 -!- jak has joined #hardfought 17:20 -!- jak is now known as Guest91190 17:20 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Law) had morning star named Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Athena, on T:31630 17:22 -!- inukshuk19 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:25 -!- Guest91190 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a fog cloud, on T:32153 17:36 -!- hugo15 has joined #hardfought 17:40 -!- hugo15 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 17:48 what was that? 17:49 -!- illuminated26 has joined #hardfought 17:49 -!- illuminated26 was kicked from #hardfought by FIQ [#hardfought] 17:50 you kicked someone? 17:50 he was spamming 17:50 you were quick, I didn't even see anything 17:50 you can't see it, only ops can because apparently K2 turned that back on 17:50 didn't realize 17:50 oh, didn't know that was on 17:50 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 17:54 -!- k0 has joined #hardfought 17:54 -!- k0 was kicked from #hardfought by FIQ [go away] 17:54 K2: can we change +q to +b? 17:55 or just +r 17:55 I guess it prevents webchat from joining 17:55 if webchat specifically is a problem, could set +b to nonregistered and +e on webchat 17:56 -!- qawap_ has joined #hardfought 17:56 -!- qawap_ was kicked from #hardfought by FIQ [qawap_] 17:56 FIQ: I don't think manual intervention is needed; we can't see them and they die pretty quickly on their own. 17:57 aosdict: I guess 17:57 let's just ban everyone. then it'll be nice and quiet and spam free here 17:57 Hm 17:57 Yeah that sounds best 17:57 +b *!*@* 17:58 bouquet: do you ssh with compression? 17:58 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:58 it might fix NH4 curses rendering 17:58 not explicitly 17:58 nope, no compression. 17:58 it sends several kilobytes of NUL all the time when updating the screen due to working around some terminal bug 17:59 it's not /that/ bad 17:59 I think I improved it by changing the travel to "instant" instead of whatever it was 17:59 well... it's a huge improvement with compression enabled 17:59 ok 17:59 lemme try it and see. 18:00 -!- BlackIkeEagle23 has joined #hardfought 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh343] Bard (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2745 points, T:2476, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 18:01 no noticable difference with compression. I think my mind was hung up on the slow travel. 18:01 possible, I like it 18:02 -!- twkm29 has joined #hardfought 18:02 I have "slow travel" enabled in NH3 tooo when playing 18:02 -!- smlb has joined #hardfought 18:02 no magic whistle in sokoban? That's evil 18:03 why do you hate our pets, FIQ? 18:03 *too 18:04 bouquet: blessed magic whistles work in noteleport levels 18:04 but pets are more intellignet in fh anyway 18:04 magic whistle need is much smaller 18:04 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 18:05 -!- BlackIkeEagle23 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05 Hi Chris_ANG and welcome to #hardfought. Enjoy your stay! 18:05 -!- smlb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06 Hello :) 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] Aleyn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3621 points, T:3049, quit 18:07 -!- twkm29 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35 -!- sim59012 has joined #hardfought 18:37 -!- sim59012 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46 <@rikersan> chris I just left a discord msg 18:46 <@rikersan> just fyi 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3997 points, T:4469, killed by a mumak 18:49 -!- Notiche5 has joined #hardfought 18:50 -!- jadew26 has joined #hardfought 18:52 -!- Notiche5 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55 -!- jadew26 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57 FIQ: is there a way to force my cat to eat a chameleon corpse? 18:57 he tends to avoid eating anything 18:59 throw it at him 19:00 pets only eat when hungry in fh 19:02 unlike grunt 19:02 * hothraxxa is still bitter 19:05 -!- AngelDeath has joined #hardfought 19:06 -!- AngelDeath has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law) killed Kroo the Kobold King, on T:28657 19:12 any recommendations for an early thone-genocide? 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