00:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 59 points, T:251, killed by a brown mold 00:08 the archaeologist slaughter will have to continue tomorrow 00:10 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 00:16 bouquet: how is the mold patch working out? 00:17 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17 Luxidream: Cartomancer update is happening at the same time as the next major Splice update. I’m not super happy with them yet, but they’re already a lot more unique to play :D 00:29 AntiGulp: I pushed the xnh entry messages btw, in case you want the vlad/wizard/rider messages or to remove mspeech. 00:29 aosdict: I saw that! I’ll probably do that this weekend, your solution is a bit more elegant than mine. 00:34 oh and also what do you think about the finished wizard msg 00:37 Wait you did 00:37 ._. github pls 00:38 You're supposed to give me notifications about this stuff 00:38 I want github to show me notifications for regular commits added to several repositories but don't know how 00:39 At least dump it into #xnethack, I get push notifications there too 00:46 I like the wizard entrance. It sounds like him lol 00:48 <@Luxidream> "The fall of Yendor"? 00:48 <@Luxidream> is this some part of a hidden aosdict nethack backstory buried somewhere on the wiki? 00:50 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:13 -!- deadnoob has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:14 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 01:18 -!- tenbeers has joined #hardfought 01:37 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:43 Wew, I've never gotten sokoban 1b before 01:43 Exciting 01:43 nice 01:54 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:13 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- gryzzly_17 has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- gryzzly_17 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 03:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:21 -!- x29a15 has joined #hardfought 03:21 -!- x29a15 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 03:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a titanothere, on T:3099 03:36 erm 03:44 neato -- first time I recall visiting a health food shop of any size (i'm in 3.6.2)... bought five potions of juice :D 04:01 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 04:08 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:14 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4971 04:20 that's riiight 04:20 A priest with a bloodthirsty sword, what could go wrong! 04:29 okay, this IS my lucky day. two blessed +4 rings of protection in the same run? both before Sokoban? 04:47 -!- challene has joined #hardfought 04:47 -!- challene has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 04:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:49 -!- Poster|n12 has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- Poster|n12 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 04:54 !lastgame 04:54 tenbeers: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tenbeers/nh361/dumplog/1537512348.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/w/wvc/xnethack/dumplog/1537440312.xnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/a/attie/nh361/dumplog/1537430145.nh361.txt 04:54 !lastgame tenbeers 04:54 tenbeers: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tenbeers/nh361/dumplog/1537512348.nh361.txt 04:55 gahhh 04:55 ^ that is not my last game. my last game in fact just ended, was the game after that one... and it just vanished without even an error message! 04:56 I was just working on Sokoban, got swallowed by an energy vortex, remembered to switch to my ranged weapon, so I did, I switched to my aklys, and I threw it... the moment I pressed "tt' to throw it, my game dropped and I was back in hardfought's menus 04:56 don't start a new game 04:56 there doesn't appear to be a save, if I press v) to play again I'm prompted for whether to create a character 04:56 it's probably recoverable 04:56 yep I haven't gone beyond the prompt 04:56 ask K2 04:56 ok! cool, thanks! 04:56 I think 04:57 I had that hunch, but crossing my fingers. A very promising priest, unusual for me. 04:57 I've never seen this particular glitch ever, that I can remember. A game just going poof. 04:57 it's a crash I assume 04:58 if the game segfaults or something the connection just gets dropped I think? 04:58 !tell K2 Hi, I am hoping there might be recovery info for a 3.6.2 game that just dropped me to the hardfought menu for no apparent reason 04:58 Will do, tenbeers! 04:58 I also have a very nice priest going right now 04:58 good to hear! 04:58 found speed boots on dlvl 1 04:58 <@Theyflower> nice :D 04:59 I found speed boots early on this one too! And not one, but two +4 rings of protection, both blessed. Weird! 04:59 actually I also did with the rogue just before, but because that one didn't know they were uncursed I didn't wear them 04:59 and died 04:59 I'm at -7 and not even wearing metal armor 04:59 aww 04:59 <@Theyflower> what's your personal best for speed boots found in earlygame 04:59 if speed boots on dlvl 1 are a new feature in 362 I am totally ok with that :D 05:00 <@Theyflower> i got it from a newt death drop on dlvl1 once 05:00 <@Theyflower> then found another two pairs on the ground in dlvl2 >.< 05:00 I've noticed just one other glitch recently: a game completed normally, with YASD, but just as the program was erasing the map and taking me back to hardfought's menus there were a series of "game entered an impossible state" errors, line after line. I have seen that error in a wiki page but have never seen it happen. 05:01 one reason my curent (if he's not vaporized now) priest is going so well is high Wis gave me a ton of Pw already, I know Heal and Create Monster, so I can't starve or run out of Sac fodder. 05:01 also Stormbringer 05:01 mm I'm guessing the github master is not always 100% stable 05:01 and he's Skilled with Aklys for ranged weapon 05:02 oh that's right, there's a beta running here. I got used to NAO running a stable version but it's all ok 05:03 I only started this game cause I wanted to try out the new orctown 05:03 didn't get it, but now I can't just #quit on this char 05:04 yeah! 05:04 I've been to it once since the orcs got names. Hilarious! 05:04 all these gruntburgers were throwing stuff at the bars of the windows. Clang! 05:04 although I am Most Displeased that I paid 100zm for this bag and it didn't even have the decency to make me unburdened 05:05 aw! 05:05 these things happen :\ 05:05 but what is gold anyway, illusion or burden 05:06 aw fuck 05:07 I left the amulet of magical breathing lying around because it was heavy 05:07 now it's gone 05:07 :O 05:07 and I just fought a rust monster 05:07 some gnome is out there eating the whole dungeon with glee now 05:07 eating wumpus corpses and dragon meatz 05:07 gargling with the bodies of baluchitheria 05:09 yay 4 points of AC 05:09 thanks leprechaun hall 05:11 -!- endogenic8 has joined #hardfought 05:11 -!- endogenic8 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 05:12 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1142 points, T:1488, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 05:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:20 -!- camfl1 has joined #hardfought 05:20 -!- camfl1 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 05:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] Caeleno (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 672 points, T:2230, killed by a bolt of lightning 05:32 I have 10 holy waters in that stuck game too. I found a health food store with allofthe juice. 05:47 -!- tenbeers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:08 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 781 points, T:1224, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:26 that embarrassing moment when you see "a cursed gray stone", were fully expecting it, and yet still pick it up before your brain can react 06:42 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 06:58 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:59 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 07:09 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 07:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:18 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:18 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 07:33 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:35 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 07:39 YANI: ranged attacks get an accuracy bonus if you waited the previous turn. 07:39 cogmind has that 07:39 Yeah, I saw it in a roguelikedev thread. 07:40 morning 07:40 K2: Message from tenbeers at 2018-09-21 04:58 EDT: Hi, I am hoping there might be recovery info for a 3.6.2 game that just dropped me to the hardfought menu for no apparent reason 07:42 jonadab: it means you will have to track last action done 07:42 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:43 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 07:43 !who 07:43 FIQ: [hdf-us] vid [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 07:44 @Luxidream there is no existing lore defining what Yendor is, so I made some up. 07:44 There's no "hidden aosdict backstory", that's it. 07:44 Yendor is what Rodney is the Wizard of! 07:44 that... still defines nothing. 07:45 I always figured Yendor was some kind of mythological legend 07:45 Circular definition: see "circular definition". 07:45 with little surviving details 07:45 that way I don't have to overthink it 07:45 !tell tenbeers try your 362-hdf game when you get a chance, recovered the save 07:45 Will do, K2! 07:53 I always figured Rodney was just your average wizard that somehow rose to power in a significant portion of gehennom and made up some grand-sounding stuff because "Hi I'm Rodney, this is my home Rodneyland" is unimpressive 07:55 context for those that don't know what this "new lore" is: I added a message that shows up when you first encounter Rodney, and his first remark is "Not since the fall of Yendor has a puny mortal dared to cross my path.". 07:55 there is no other added reference to Yendor 07:56 wow, the fall of Yendor, I like that 07:56 just the right amount of mystery 07:56 FIQ: Yes, or at least you'd have to track whether the last action was rest. But that's an implementation detail. 07:57 The _fall_ of Yendor, I like that. 07:57 -!- BigWings27 has joined #hardfought 07:57 -!- BigWings27 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:57 I particularly like that it sort of leaves it implied that the fall of Yendor was a long time ago. 07:58 Which goes a long way to explaining the linguistic drift (i.e., it is now pronounced Yendor rather than the ancient name Quendor). 07:58 Because such things happen over time. 08:00 And the Wizard's encyclopedia entry does show that he's "lived a span far greater than any normal man's" 08:04 Yes, it all fits. 08:06 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 12467 points, T:8109, killed by a bolt of lightning 08:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:62916 08:17 3.6.2 orctown changes 08:17 sounds interesting 08:28 -!- insidious9 has joined #hardfought 08:28 -!- insidious9 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:37 <@Demo> oh? 08:38 aosdict: yes, they can carry fake Amulets pre-invocation 08:39 [Demo]1: 9eb7830 08:40 !who 08:40 FIQ: [hdf-us] mightyquinn [nh362] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 08:41 Luxidream: nice win rate on un 08:42 you have like 10% on all variants and 1% on un 08:43 <@Demo> whoa this is kind of big 08:43 avg is 8.3% 08:43 but that includes 4k which has a million scurrier games 08:44 ah, 0% on dnh out of 256 games 08:44 I wonder how many are genuine attempts 08:45 doesn't beat Tariru's winrate though 08:45 28.6% avg overall 08:46 100% on several variants 08:46 85.7% on dyna (6/7) 08:48 100% on nethack4 (1/1), sporkhack (1/1), grunthack (1/1), fiqhack (1/1), xnethack (1/1), slash'em extended (4/4), splicehack (1/1) 09:02 <@Luxidream> FIQ: you also need to filter out all the dead valkyries from speedrun attempts 😛 09:04 <@Luxidream> I’ve considered making a new account without scum but then I’m just going to die and get tilted 09:15 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:15 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5757 points, T:10994, killed by a hill orc 09:32 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:33 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 09:36 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 09:38 -!- nooodle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 10:22 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 10:23 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Quit: two forces in balance \\ ancient endless balance \\ then nothing] 10:26 -!- TheKoziTwo10 has joined #hardfought 10:26 -!- TheKoziTwo10 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 10:36 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 11:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 11:44 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 11:48 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:08 -!- M4GNV517 has joined #hardfought 12:08 -!- M4GNV517 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:42 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:51 YANI: Ring of curse resistance, protects inventory items from being cursed 12:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8669 12:59 Aww yiss sokobag 12:59 PavelB: should probably be an amulet 12:59 Why do I want the amulet? 13:00 (amulet versus curses) 13:00 not sokoban amulet 13:00 Oh I see 13:00 I don't really know how rings vs amulets are generally balanced 13:01 two rings possible vs one amulet 13:01 curse resistance would be a powerful thing 13:02 -!- weijunli has joined #hardfought 13:02 -!- weijunli has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:09 aosdict: What vapor effect is "You smell a peculiar odor..."? I tried grepping for it and found this not very helpful snippet https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/L9Zr1Z8r/ 13:09 <@Luxidream> PavelB: generic. Reveals nothing 13:09 xnh is supposed to have vapor effects for everything :( 13:10 <@Luxidream> with all the new potion breaking effects in xnh you could probably narrow it down through process of elimination 13:10 PavelB: I believe you didn't actually get any vapor effects from that. 13:10 I threw it at a wall adjacent to myself 13:13 PavelB: actually it does then call potionbreathe() 13:17 There are also various ways to fall through the potionbreathe switch statement without triggering any messages. 13:18 for instance, if you were blind and breathed a potion of blindness 13:19 also, oil has no messages at all ever 13:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:42 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a dagger bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:3509 13:46 your potion of oil gives off a dim light 13:47 pavelb: apply all unknown potions until you know oil 13:47 Right 13:47 i wish i could remember to do that :( 13:48 * hothraxxa checks and sees he has unknown potions that he hasn't a)pplied 13:50 hah! first one i applied gives off a dim light 13:52 K2: just "a dagger"? 13:52 Quetz doesn't seem very generous 13:55 aosdict: I thought I saw more mold than usual! I love the mold patch in slash'em. Makes being a monk a little easier. Also makes sokoban more interesting in a good way - gotta carry projectiles. 14:01 At didn't get stuck in soko because of mold but I did get a crash (already fixed) that made me restart a nearly solved level 14:06 raisse: in sporkhack, the lower level you are, the less chance you have of being gifted an artifact 14:07 if you do get a regular item, it tends to be blessed, fooproof and enchanted 14:07 which at this stage is actually helpful 14:07 being a squishy arc an all 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:21181 14:21 hothraxxa: Some people have floated the idea, to avoid that silly "apply every potion" thing, to just make oil known to all heroes by default. 14:21 hothraxxa: Also, when I said no messages I meant that oil has no vapor breathing messages, because no vapors. 14:22 vanilla identify needs an overhaul anyway 14:23 <@Tone> NH4 already does that, I think? 14:23 yes, and its variants 14:24 <@Tone> Are there any identification overhaul proposals out there? 14:25 <@Tone> Item identification is a really core part of nethack imo and they'd have to be careful about any major changes 14:26 i'm not referring to price id, just the silly thing where the wand resists my attempt to write and i still have to name if 14:26 it 14:26 like that. stop the tedium 14:26 <@Tone> oh okay 14:26 <@Tone> Yeah some variants address that 14:28 ah you mean identify it if it's unambiguous 14:28 yes 14:28 the way wands of lightning and fire are identified now 14:28 i mean here i am standing on water, yet i'm still wearing buckled boots 14:28 and striking, speed monster and (I think) cold are not 14:29 a few ice cubes 14:29 you have intrinsic water walking! 14:31 i am the son, returned 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "the blessed greased fixed platinum yendorian express card", on T:21991 14:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:40 -!- gattuso6 has joined #hardfought 14:40 -!- gattuso6 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23658 14:55 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 15:06 > The label reads: "Rib Shaped BBQ Pork Patty MRE". 15:06 Why is it Rib *Shaped* 15:10 ask K2 15:10 its not a real rib 15:10 just rib shaped 15:11 (for her pleasure... sorry couldnt resist) 15:17 > Water gets into your bag! 15:17 o no 15:18 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Hi4j7Uzy/image.png 15:18 How can I combine these together? 15:20 #adjust 15:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20 Thanks 15:20 or just drop them and pick them up again 15:20 [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 13316 points, T:9105, killed by an energy vortex 15:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:13913 15:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:13913 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Tou Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:12907 15:29 Does anyone else murder friendlies just for interupting fast travel 15:29 <@Luxidream> yes 15:30 <@Luxidream> all the time 15:30 <@Luxidream> but you displace peacefuls in xnh 15:30 <@Luxidream> so you can’t complain lol 15:30 It still interupts fast travel 15:31 Shopkeeper: Invisible customer aren't welcome 15:31 Me: I was going to give you money but honestly killing you is easier than removing my ring of invis and dropping my pickaxe 15:34 -!- sm14 has joined #hardfought 15:34 -!- sm14 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:34 PavelB: What, no teleportation? 15:34 I can usually Ctrl-T by the time I'm confident enough to fight shopkeepers. 15:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:36 <@Luxidream> Telepathy is overrated 15:36 <@Luxidream> but at least get your luck back 15:38 jonadab: floor 1 blessed magic lamp -> magic resistance 15:38 They can still punch you to death quite easily. 15:38 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:39 Also completely random +5 boots 15:39 And excalibur 15:39 Beholder: messages? 15:41 !who 15:41 K2: [hdf-us] Eleven [nh362] hypnotist [nh362] | [hdf-eu] Graznop [nh362] spontiff [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:45 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 16:07 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 16:12 !who 16:12 K2: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:39 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:57 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 17:00 -!- lbft10 has joined #hardfought 17:00 -!- lbft10 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:00 -!- tenbeers has joined #hardfought 17:01 dooble de dooble de do 17:01 tenbeers: Message from K2 at 2018-09-21 07:45 EDT: try your 362-hdf game when you get a chance, recovered the save 17:01 yay! 17:01 K2: ping 17:02 - by which I mean to say I have a further observation on my hung / bugged 362-hdf game. 17:30 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:31 hmm, Fourk is pretty nice. I've never tried 4 or Fourk before. 17:31 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 17:34 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 17:42 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 17:48 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law), 9806 points, T:3354, killed by a dead potato's explosion 17:52 -!- dell30 has joined #hardfought 17:56 weird, though: Fourk has all these conveniences and removal of classic frustrations, but then after six or seven levels I ran into a group of monsters right by the new level's upstair, the group of them strong enough to drop me to single-digit HP the moment I arrive, so I can't even hit, I just flee back upstairs. 17:56 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Use Arg Mal Law), 464 points, T:842, killed by a monster (arctic fern spore) 17:57 Maybe my only option is to keep running around the upper levels until I'm way stronger... hmm 17:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:9675 17:58 auto multi-stage equip is amazing... try on that next iron skull cap without explicitly giving the command to remove the previous one 17:58 or trying on armor notwithstanding equipped cape 17:59 frickin' fanTABulous 17:59 -!- Lumpi8 has joined #hardfought 17:59 -!- Lumpi8 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:01 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04 fourk has some features that can be frustrating though 18:05 alignment changes, unihorn changes, and the infamous hand cramping 18:05 I've notice a little, but still on first play haven't seen a lot yet. Tell me some you remember? 18:05 aha 18:05 be careful with alignment 18:05 does hand cramping interfere with marker use or something? 18:05 okay 18:05 i agree that it's a fun variant. i was pleasantly surprised because i was expecting to dislike it 18:06 hand cramping interferes with enscribing with your fingers 18:06 right now I have no idea when I'm going to be strong enough to pass the room of death at the bottom of my next stairs. I can just barely survive even stepping down there and coming right back up. 18:06 my one fourk game (in which I got randomly WoD'ed on the quest) was fun 18:06 it's an elbereth nerf 18:06 I'm going to be casting Create Monster on the level above for a long time until I'm just stronger I guess 18:07 so when you e to test wands, only draw an x 18:07 ha, nice aos 18:07 oh, TYVM hoth 18:07 good to gno! 18:07 does the cramping recede over time? 18:07 it does but not fast enough to please most players 18:08 aye 18:08 i don't use elbereth so it's only an issue for wand testing 18:08 making wizards harder I suppose 18:09 I E a lot on wizards in 3.x but not so much on priest, monk, sam, etc. And am not good enough to play many tou, arc, etc yet 18:09 er, not careful enough. ha 18:09 fastidious enough... 18:10 i specialize in gnome healers but i've not done one in fourk 18:10 ha, there is a satiation state called Bloated. I stop ;) 18:10 healers are cool! I keep trying one about once a month. I seem to remember a couple years back I made it past the castle with one. 18:10 in 3.4.3 i think 18:11 i ascended the first gnome healer in (i think) 5 variants 18:12 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:12 splicehack, xnethack, fiqhack, grunt... hmmm 18:12 good work!!! 18:12 * tenbeers bows a minute 18:12 that's so hardfought 18:12 aw shucks tweren't nothin 18:13 lolz 18:13 i have fiorst orc wizard in a few variants too 18:13 ah. the other one is dynahack iirc 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 320 points, T:1370, killed by a small mimic 18:16 anyway, for me the secret to squishy roles like wizard and tourist is pet wrangling 18:16 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 18:16 for sure. 18:16 <[Demo]> wrangle a pet mimic 18:17 * hothraxxa mimics demo for a while 18:17 xD 18:17 * tenbeers searches 18:17 * tenbeers finds a demo-shaped strange object 18:20 tenbeers: That can happen in vanilla too. If you're 6 or 7 levels down, you're past a branch, so you can try going there first and come back after you gain a couple of levels. 18:20 I'm not sure it's past a branch in Fourk, though 18:20 have fully explored all levels to 7 and found no extra stairs. 18:21 the mines are same as vanilla 18:21 unless I missed a room past an unfound secret door. OK, then I must have. Thanks! 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 120 points, T:679, killed by a boulder 18:21 fooled by auto-explore ;) 18:21 never tried it 18:21 i'll check out suspicious empty map areas now 18:21 And yes, nerfing Elbereth hits wizard kind of hard, but OTOH the Pw formula boost is *fantastic* for wizards. 18:23 -!- maiki has joined #hardfought 18:23 -!- maiki has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:23 Pw seems to regen rather quickly compared to 3.x 18:24 don't get me wrong about nerfing E effectively nerfing wizards - I've always felt wizards were OP as long as the player is patient. 18:25 Wizards are OP in the late game. 18:25 Then again, so are Tourists. 18:26 even mid-late 18:26 Actually, NetHack player characters in general get pretty OP after castle and quest. 18:26 yeah, a tourist who finishes the quest is a beast 18:26 I've always felt OP on any wiz after the quest too 18:26 that's true, jona. 18:26 both of those together sew one up pretty well. especially given the castle WoW 18:27 ah. wishing changes 18:27 Oh, yes, be advised that wands of wishing are non-rechargeable in Fourk. 18:27 which i liked, incidentally 18:27 because scrolls 18:27 And scrolls of wishing are use-once, of course. Like most scrolls. 18:27 also magic chests 18:28 Magic chest is a DynaHack innovation, which I shamelessly cherry-picked. 18:28 Although pre-stocking it was pure Fourk. 18:28 (And needs to be rebalanced at some point.)( 18:28 for which i thank and praise you 18:28 i'n guessing tenbeers hasn't found one yet 18:29 nope 18:29 If he hasn't seen a branch entrance, then no. 18:29 well of course he hasn't, no special levels 18:29 First ones are Minetown and Sokoban. 18:29 oh. sokoban is all new puzzles 18:29 some of which (all?) have spoilers 18:29 Not all. THe vanilla ones are still included in the mix. 18:30 All have spoilers, yeah. 18:30 But looking at the spoilers is optional. 18:30 i did them without spoilers 18:30 meaning i screwed up badly this one time 18:30 A lot of the ones Fourk adds are relatively easy compared to the vanilla ones. There are a couple of exceptions. 18:30 Hello, Dragon of Bactria. 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:33038 18:32 non-rectangular rooms are nice to see too. 18:32 The idea for non-rectangular rooms comes from Spork, I think? But Fourk's implementation is original. 18:32 Un also has (a different implementation of) them. 18:33 fourk gehennom is different and more interesting 18:33 good to hear 18:33 jonadab: Yeah, I'm interested in how un does it. 18:34 ahh now it's mine time. Nice to be slightly overprepared. 18:34 aosdict: Un does it using pre-fab rooms, found in .des files, which the generator places on otherwise normal levels. 18:36 -!- qed6 has joined #hardfought 18:36 -!- qed6 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:36 jonadab: how does fourk do it then 18:37 aosdict: Fourk takes a rectangular space that could be a room, and cuts parts out of it (such as corners or a pillar in the middle). 18:37 The dimensions of the cut-outs can vary. 18:38 So no subrooms? 18:38 Not as such. Although rooms with a pillar in the middle can get a secret corridor across the pillar. 18:38 If it's big enough. 18:38 which variant has the minetown with a river running through it? 18:38 you kill the werejackal! you feel more chaotic. :D 18:39 bouquet: Creektown is an L patch level. Fourk has it, but there may be other variants that have it also. 18:39 you do. my last fourk game was a chaotic monk 18:39 it's always nice to feel more chaotic! check me out, Anhur! 18:39 I liked that level. 18:42 tenbeers: if you haven't already you should read https://github.com/tsadok/nhfourk/blob/bleeding-edge/doc/changelog-fourk.txt 18:43 Eh, reading the entire thing == boring 18:43 holy gewgaws, autoexplore even works in the Mines. I send the devs ten beers. 18:43 it reminded me of another change that might catch you off guard: the wand balance patch 18:43 meh, I'll read that after there's something i'm stuck on or demoralized about! 18:43 Autoexplore is an NH4 feature that Fourk inherited. I take no responsibility for it. 18:43 Also, I do not particularly recommend it. 18:43 well you should know about wand balance before you kill yourself 18:44 what's wrong with dying? 18:44 you can avoid it 18:44 i mean, dying is sort of how we do 18:44 Best way to learn? 18:44 "Noooouuuuuuuuu. That character was asendable!" <-- the sound of a player who just learned something. 18:44 you must think I'm here for victory and not for the beautiful fountains and caves! 18:44 * hothraxxa sets jonadab off into slex 18:45 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:45 * jonadab branchports back. 18:45 (gameports?) 18:45 heh 18:45 nah. you want to find out about magic explosions go for it 18:45 * tenbeers suspects jonadab holds a meta-artifact 18:45 they're annoying as all getout 18:46 I'll admit, it's worth being a little bit careful around soldiers. 18:46 Especially in groups. 18:46 soldiers get what, skilled? 18:46 I think Skilled, yes. 18:47 Which is just enough to be significant, when you start seeing soldiers. 18:47 yeah so a blessed wand in the hands of a soldier is nasty 18:48 i'm still of the firm belief that an expert in wands using a blessed wand should not suffer for it 18:48 I tend to agree. 18:48 given the way they work, i'm not sure how you fix that though 18:48 But holy cow, expert blessed wand of light = awesome. 18:48 * hothraxxa snickers 18:48 so true 18:49 * aosdict gives jonadab several blessed xnethack scrolls of light. 18:49 it's true for the wand of death, too, if the target is far enough away 18:49 Yeah. 18:49 death cometh 18:49 Any attack wand really. 18:49 forest centaur a bit stronger than I 18:50 * hothraxxa trumps aosdict with fiqhack's spell of lught maintenance 18:50 er 18:50 light 18:50 spell maint. 18:50 I want that feature. 18:50 Lugh maintenance? 18:50 haha 18:50 But I have seen how many commits it is. 18:50 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 18:50 So I don't wanna try to cherry pick it. 18:50 probably bad idea to propitiate Lugh too much 18:50 (Also, it depends on some other stuff...) 18:51 YASI: spellbook of Summon Hostile Demon 18:51 EPI: wand of demon horde 18:51 [hdf-us] [4k] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 14397 points, T:8926, killed by a forest centaur 18:51 !coffee 18:51 * Beholder delivers tenbeers a mug of Blend 43, distilled by the /dev/null/oracle at 27 degrees Celsius. 18:52 ouch 18:52 yes! Blend 43! 18:52 FIQ: How do we make centaurs work like in Brogue? 18:53 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:55 !tell K2 I tried to get into my "hung" 362-hdf game as you suggested. The game comes up and immediately informs me there's an ongoing game under my name. Asks if I want to destroy the ongoing/existing game. I answer no, and it drops me back to the hardfought menu. 18:55 Will do, tenbeers! 18:57 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:35025 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 6131 points, T:6082, killed by an elf mummy 19:13 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:19 jonadab: how do they work in brogue 19:24 brogue eh 19:32 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 19:35 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:35 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:36 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 19:38 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:42 -!- greqrg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 19:53 FIQ: Centaurs in Brogue are generated in groups, try their darnedest to stay out of your sight (which, by the time they start generating, tends to be possible because the dungeon has started to get dark), and shoot arrows at you every couple of turns, from an unlimited supply. 19:53 Can you get infinite arrows this way? 19:53 No. 19:54 Brogue monsters don't drop their items on death. 19:54 Oh, and projectiles always mulch. 19:55 Is ranged combat feasible for the player then? Are there just lots more arrows than in nethack? 19:55 You start with a few darts. 19:55 And can potentially find more darts. 19:55 But really, ranged combat in Brogue is mostly about staves. 19:55 Actually, you can also throw spare melee weapons. But they mulch. 19:56 Oh, potion throwing is also a fairly big deal in Brogue. 19:56 The only negative potions usually not worth hanging onto for throwing purposes are hallucination and darkness. 19:57 Brogue is, in general, much better than NetHack at making most objects potentially useful. 19:57 Inferior armor is its worst failing in that regard. 19:57 And low-charge charms that you don't want to bother to enchant. 19:58 (Enchantment is a very limited resource.) 19:58 there are projectile weapons in the game, 19:59 but they're not supposed to be usable as "main" weapon 19:59 there are incendiary darts 19:59 throw them at stuff and set them on fire 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:37552 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37553 20:14 -!- zjmc_ has left #hardfought 20:16 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 20:19 * tenbeers whistles in the dark. 20:22 a man came up to me and said... 20:23 "Why does the Porridge Bird always lay its egg in the air?" 20:26 I thought you were referencing a song 20:27 I see that! 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:14629 20:36 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 20:41 hmm 20:41 K2: Message from tenbeers at 2018-09-21 18:55 EDT: I tried to get into my "hung" 362-hdf game as you suggested. The game comes up and immediately informs me there's an ongoing game under my name. Asks if I want to destroy the ongoing/existing game. I answer no, and it drops me back to the hardfought menu. 20:41 paniclog for tenbeers 20:41 ahoy 20:41 1537415135 tenbeers: impossible Bad fruit #1? 20:41 1537513350 tenbeers: panic tmp_at: tglyph not initialized 20:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tenbeers] by K2 20:41 ooooh 8| 20:42 tenbeers are you playing curses mode or regular tty 20:42 have been in curses. 20:42 before playing again, edit your cfg and switch back to tty 20:42 ok 20:42 think it was a bug somewhere? 20:43 yes 20:43 we know curses has some issues still 20:43 ls -l 20:43 oops 20:43 the fruit name handling code has been the source of many annoying bugs 20:43 ok try again in tty mode 20:44 I'm playing on hardfought partly because of curses availability. And partly because unlike NAO, the terminal session doesn't hang if I'm idle 10 mins or so. 20:44 oh good, coredump this time 20:44 (in ssh) 20:44 ok, will be at that soon 20:45 http://termbin.com/ub5w 20:45 yeah, definitely curses 20:45 ^ Tangles 20:46 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:46 tenbeers we tend to fix bugs as we find them, and usually fairly soon 20:47 That's much appreciated, and I don't mind testing 20:47 technically we're all in a beta test, always ;) 20:48 OK, i get (same as before, but now in tty style) "There is already a game in progress under your name. Destroy old game? [yn] (n)" 20:48 huh 20:48 and when I tell it n because I wish to continue the old game (right?) it drops to hardfought menu 20:48 one thing, though: I saw some config file errors, I'll look at those now 20:48 * hothraxxa squeezes tenbeer's wheeze 20:49 ha! 20:49 it doesnt look like your game was even loaded 20:49 hdf-us server right? 20:50 ok, I cleaned up those config errors and the same occurs just as before. 20:50 yes, US server 20:50 just ssh nethack@hardfought.org 20:51 hmm 20:51 3.6.2-hdf (and yep I was aware it's beta) 20:51 oh i see 20:51 one sec 20:51 ok try now 20:51 ok 20:52 save restored! 20:52 what did you do? 20:52 \o/ 20:52 \o 20:52 when ppl play, the save uncompresses into a bunch of different file, one for each level 20:52 when there are other ppl playing, the var folder gets full 20:52 !beer K2 20:52 tenbeers: Burrrrp! 20:52 !potion K2 20:52 * Beholder tosses K2 a potion of water, replicated by FCCBot at 324 Kelvin. 20:52 you had one hold over file from before i didnt see 20:52 hm, okay 20:53 got mixed in with everyone else 20:53 and i left my glasses at work 20:53 itym lenses 20:53 so I should be safe to switch back to curses, or am I likely to hit the same crash based on the name of something in my inventory? 20:53 i would stay away from curses until we fix the bug 20:54 alrighty, can do. 20:54 !goat hothraxxa 20:54 K2's goat runs up and rams hothraxxa in the arse! Baaaaaa! 20:54 blast. may be dying here. 20:54 noooo 20:54 got my kid to fall asleep in my lap watching bill and ted's bogus journey 20:55 before 9pm, miracle 20:55 ah, whew. threw Stormbringer inside energy vortex and lived. 20:56 blargh, my terminal is wacky somehow. I can't see myself, I'm represented by no visible char at all. 20:56 maybe that will work out if I save and come back in a new terminal. 20:56 you're invisible and don't have see invisible! 20:57 I thought of that, but no, i didn't have a curser when I logged into the server either. 20:57 some kind of fail in my terminal window 20:57 * aosdict gives tenbeers an arch-lich 20:57 there, there's your curser 20:57 all good now. 20:57 bwahaha! 20:57 nice 20:59 holy shit, it worked... 20:59 hdf-eu is ipv6 20:59 (technically so is hdf-eu but i have some filtering issues to resolve) 21:00 err hdf-us 21:00 progress through suffering 21:01 mm, nice 21:01 * tenbeers applauds! 21:06 [hdf-us] [dyn] ninebeers (Luxidream) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 17146 points, T:22376, killed by a bolt of fire 21:17 hey there's a ninebeers! 21:17 !beer ninebeers 21:17 tenbeers: It's your shout! 21:17 lol 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7411 21:27 if you give a beer to ninebeers, he turns into a doppelganger 21:29 at least into *my* doppelganger, I guess 21:30 I'm still waiting to find a trippelganger somewhere... 21:31 !tell LarienTelrunya add trippelgangers to slex 21:31 Will do, aosdict! 21:31 :D 21:34 !who 21:34 K2: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] tenbeers [nh362] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:38 !who 21:38 K2: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] tenbeers [nh362] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 736 points, T:883, killed by a giant bat 21:39 ok, about to do a dmz test, switching which internal ip resides there. i dont know if my router will reboot itself if i do this or not 21:40 tenbbers, @Luxidream, you may want to save game real quick 21:40 HoldOntoYourButts.gifv 21:40 ;) 21:40 bouquet - hdf-eu ipv6 success 21:40 <@Luxidream> ok 21:40 tenbeers 21:40 oh ok. will do 21:40 would help if i spelled their name right hah 21:40 saved. 21:40 a demilitarized zone test? 21:40 ok thanks 21:40 !who 21:40 K2: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:41 this will be quick 21:41 no prob 21:41 I got my command line ready... 21:41 you wield a command line! it welds itself to your paw! 21:53 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 21:53 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM 0.0.8E0F2 is now available for play! ¤ quiet mode is enabled, ask an OP if you need to be voiced 21:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 21:53 weird 21:53 !who 21:53 K2: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:54 ok 21:54 shit 21:54 this sucks 21:54 is it all fubar'd? 21:54 i'm on dmz and still cant ping6 myself from outside good ipv6 source 21:55 -!- marco448 has joined #hardfought 21:55 -!- marco448 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:55 My connection is solid 21:55 thanks 21:56 ok so... bouquet, i think maybe its netgears nat filtering setting 21:56 two choices: secure or open 21:56 secure basically means firewall is on and restrictive in some areas 21:56 open means firewall on but not as restrictive 21:57 there's no by port/protocol details I can find on it (yet) 21:57 but gdammit, if i'm on dmz.... thats zero firewall 21:57 BUT, i am still NAT'ed 21:57 netgear is going to have pretty basic black/white options and not the fine tuned settings you probably need. 21:58 dmz doesn't mean zero firewall, necessarily. 21:58 it could still be this xfinity modem 21:58 hmm 21:58 !who 21:58 K2: [hdf-us] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:59 bouquet lemme know when you're done. if i change this nat filtering setting it'll make the router reboot again 21:59 You kill poor Horse Horse He's Our Man if He Can't Do It Nobody Can! 21:59 You hear the rumble of distant thunder... 21:59 evil 22:00 I wonder if your router is a model that you could run Tomato firmware on instead 22:00 I've done that with several netgears, it's dreamy 22:00 i looked at openWRT (formerly dd-wrt) 22:00 yep similar world 22:00 they support every model netgear except mine 22:00 oh, I can quit now 22:00 done 22:01 ach! Okay, try looking into tomato maybe? 22:01 thanks 22:01 tenbeers i will 22:01 !who 22:01 K2: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 22:01 thumbs up 22:01 ok test #2 22:07 [hdf-us] [nh362] antigulp (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 170 points, T:566, killed by a boulder 22:17 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 22:17 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM 0.0.8E0F2 is now available for play! ¤ quiet mode is enabled, ask an OP if you need to be voiced 22:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 22:17 Beholder gets confused when router reboots sometimes 22:22 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 22:24 so 22:24 we'll see if connecting a 2nd device to the comcast modem in bridge mode screws up the 1st device connection 22:24 find out how advanced comcast modem is ;) 22:24 !who 22:24 K2: [hdf-us] tenbeers [nh362] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 22:25 should I save... 22:27 we're good 22:28 its not letting my grab the ip i need 22:28 which is a good thing i think 22:28 more tests... 22:36 welp 22:36 i can only access admin panel on comcast modem 22:37 dun dun DUN! 22:37 it locks out 2nd port, prob on purpose so you dont have competing devices trying to grab wan 22:37 do you have comcast biz? They'll give you a big ass-block of IPs 22:37 so NOW next thing to do is switch out of bridged mode so I can access the firewall settings on the modem 22:37 i did until 3 days ago, switched to this 1gbps residential line 22:38 fun 22:38 I bet they limit self-hosting on residential. 22:39 Anyone know what ttyrec program I should use 22:41 ttyplay 22:41 oh rec 22:43 My distro doesn't provide the actually ttyrec 22:43 I was wondering if anyone had any ideas 22:43 (Fedora) 22:43 PavelB: ipbt 22:43 Thanks 22:44 blah 22:44 reading on netgear forums 22:44 looks like netgear blocks all icmpv6 traffic no matter what you set 22:45 https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/ipbt/ # by Mr PuTTY, yes 22:47 K2: I hate to say "I told you so", so I won't. 22:48 Pinkbeast: So I figured out how to playback ttyrecs, can it *record* them though? 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9899 22:48 * tenbeers thanks Beholder for the ID 22:50 yeah 22:50 time to ditch the netgear 22:50 PavelB: You can probably just record one with 'tee' 22:50 I'm going to try script(1) 22:53 PavelB: the ttyrec on github is ancient but builds. I've never actually used it, though. https://github.com/mjording/ttyrec 22:53 I see I did misinterpret "ttyrec program", sorry 22:53 -!- madorn15 has joined #hardfought 22:54 -!- madorn15 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 22:59 !who 22:59 K2: [hdf-us] tenbeers [nh362] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 23:07 You hook yourself! You die... 23:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 129 points, T:592, killed by a grappling hook 23:08 are grappling hooks ever useful? 23:08 yow! 23:08 i think you can recover sunk items with them? 23:08 but rather use a bullwhip 23:08 if you don't kill yourself 23:08 whevs... except there was a dlvl 1 BoH that run which is fun 23:09 maybe if you could pull mobs across a moat and drown them in it. 23:09 could dispatch croesus in one shot with something like that 23:10 bouquet: now that I've given all arcs a grappling hook, I should probably make them more reliable/less useless 23:10 but with current monster ai, arbitrary drowning would probably be too powerful 23:11 str 18+ you could pull a boulder. Would make sokoban less prone to failure and since they're pretty dang rare it wouldn't be too much of a give away. 23:11 maybe require GoP, actually. 23:11 ...arcs are _guaranteed_ a grappling hook. 23:12 or cause hunger + potentially a dex penalty due to muscle strain 23:12 I can't think of another use really. 23:13 maybe an aklys-like throw/return weapon. 23:13 That made me think of another YANI: balance boulder-pushing as an easy source of Str exercise by adding a small hunger penalty (like d3 or d4 nutrition) to each push. 23:14 I thought pushing boulders already did that? I get hella hungry pushing them around soko 23:15 I don't see any. 23:15 bouquet: if grappling hooks could pull boulders under any circumstances, it should probably incur a luck penalty in soko. 23:15 probably "player paranoia" 23:16 I think it's just because you are spending a lot of time there 23:16 sure, or maybe just summon a demon prince 23:16 or maybe cthulhu. 23:17 but luck penalty sounds more sane 23:19 I don't think summoning a boss for doing a slightly cheaty thing in soko is _less_ sane, I think it's _in_sane. 23:20 these are the ideas I come up with when I'm exhausted. 23:20 you get what you pay for 23:25 -!- tacco| has quit [] 23:27 Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.) 23:27 Please report these messages to the developer. Bad fruit #1? 23:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 1036 points, T:1310, killed by a rothe 23:27 only when I die 23:28 which is often 23:28 !asc bouquet 23:28 bouquet: [hdf-us] bouquet has ascended 9 times in 201 games (4.48%): nh362:3 (5.17%), xnh:6 (6.12%) 23:28 Oh great. K2: you've contaminated xnh with the bad fruit bugs. 23:28 (it is in reality probably the same curses interface bug tenbeers encountered) 23:28 probably due to ipv6 infestation 23:29 man, just because my fruit name is 'beet'. 23:29 let's bring instruments to a cafe and use 'bad fruit name' as our band name. 23:30 <@Demo> lol 23:31 -!- dell30 has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:39 -!- dell30 has joined #hardfought 23:39 <@rikersan> aosdict; that's happened to me in like 5 variants now 23:40 <@rikersan> dnh, fiqhack, un, slex, ndnh 23:40 <@rikersan> (bad fruit bug) 23:40 <@Demo> maybe its a message from ur god 23:44 Fruit is now "Hothraxxafruit". 23:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2370 points, T:1883, killed by a rabid rat, while sleeping