00:31 "/opt/nethack/dgamelaunch.conf:29:22: couldn't parse ""$TNNT": syntax error 00:31 What does this mean? 00:43 i have been editing menus 00:43 all good now 00:44 of course it wouldnt be me without neglecting a } or a ; here or there 01:01 !who 01:01 K2: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 01:09 *crickets* heh 01:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:49 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 01:55 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:21 -!- Ricchi3 has joined #hardfought 02:21 Aⅼⅼah іs ԁоinɡ 02:21 -!- Ricchi3 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 02:22 just noticed that if you change just one letter, it becomes "Allah is dying" :P 02:22 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2018-09-17 06:52 EDT: Paper armor exists, but they don't instaburn, they erode like normal. They're probably weak enough that I don't need to nerf them further. 02:48 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54 [Demo]: what in particular do you hate about the endgame in unnethack? 03:03 I'm not Demo but my biggest, by far, beef with un's endgame is that the amulet teleports away when you kill Cthulhu, it really shouldn't do that as long as you've never possessed it :P 03:23 -!- blackboxsw10 has joined #hardfought 03:23 Alⅼɑһ is doiᥒg 03:23 -!- blackboxsw10 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 03:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] u42586 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 3947 points, T:2709, killed by an ape, while praying 03:37 LarienTelrunya: as if I could have forgotten your bitching :-] 03:45 bhaak: and? will the "lol you hit the 1 in 4 chance thrice in a row" crapshoot stay in the game or are you planning to do something about it? I've already offered several solutions ;) 04:15 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 04:28 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 04:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 04:39 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 04:55 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 04:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:02 !tell aosdict I've added some stuff to my development blog, mostly talking about game balance: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Bluescreenofdeath/Blog#On_balance_versus_fairness - and I'd be interested in your opinion if you have time. I've also read your wishing proposal, and may write a comment on it ;) 05:02 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:32 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:32 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 05:49 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Quit: two forces in balance \\ ancient endless balance \\ then nothing] 05:51 [hdf-us] [un] vid (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1401 points, T:2988, quit 05:52 Gee, that's timely - getting Magicbane gifted before waking Rodney up 05:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 05:55 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 06:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 1998 points, T:2495, quit 06:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:22 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 06:29 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:44 -!- VBrain-18 has joined #hardfought 06:44 Аllah іs dⲟinɡ 06:44 suᥒ ⅰѕ ᥒഠt ⅾoіng Aⅼlаһ іѕ ⅾοiᥒg 06:44 -!- VBrain-18 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 06:54 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11 -!- plopix13 has joined #hardfought 07:11 Alⅼаh is dοіᥒɡ 07:11 -!- plopix13 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:20 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [SeaMonkey 2.49.4/20180713174829]] 07:29 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 07:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 07:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:33 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:47 LarienTelrunya: The "amulet never teleporting as long as you've never touched it" thing would be easy enough to implement, too, since you could just add u.uachieve.amulet to the test. 07:47 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-09-18 05:02 EDT: I've added some stuff to my development blog, mostly talking about game balance: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Bluescreenofdeath/Blog#On_balance_versus_fairness - and I'd be interested in your opinion if you have time. I've also read your wishing proposal, and may write a comment on it ;) 07:49 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 07:49 -!- stennowork is now known as stenno 07:49 wait when did I make a wishing proposal 07:49 hey 07:49 Hello stenno, Welcome to #hardfought 07:49 stenno: Message from K2 at 2018-09-03 11:18 EDT: I added livelogging to nh343-hdf :P 07:50 nice 07:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a stone golem, on T:7177 07:50 -!- stenno is now known as stennowork 07:53 aosdict: well maybe not a proposal, but you said in your "balance issues" that the large concentration of wishes at the castle may be a problem 07:53 is a problem 08:00 just reduce the wishes at the castle. problem solved. next :-) 08:01 <[Demo]> that might not be a bad idea 08:01 <[Demo]> or add precastle stuff, a lot of it 08:02 I consider a wand of wishing as a "too large concentration of wishes" anyway 08:03 bhaak: that's basically what I envision. make a wow give one wish always, then scatter more into gehennom 08:03 <[Demo]> I want at least 2 per wand 08:04 -!- dell30 has joined #hardfought 08:04 aosdict: but then you reduce them to be more like potions. the chargement doesn't matter anyway. that would reduce the overall randomness. 08:04 unnethack's WoW is right now, let me think 08:05 Reducing the overall randomness of something as valuable as "number of wishes in the game" is only a good thing IMO. 08:05 1:2 max 08:05 If you want to maintain randomness, you can just replace wishing wands with magic lamps and do the same thing. 08:06 unnethack's WoW is 1-3 with 1/(5-7) chance of a wresting wish 08:08 wow's in unnethack don't randomly generate, right? 08:09 no, they do. 08:10 oh 08:10 bhaak: also, if there's a flavor problem with reducing the wand to be like a single-use consumable, you can always just delete wands of wishing and add scrolls of wishing in their stead. Though that has problems with now you need to think up blessed, cursed, and confused effects. 08:10 that's why reducing the charging is also a good idea. a randomly wow shouldn't let you spam upto 7 wishes 08:10 The reason I suggest changing WoW behavior itself is because it's the simplest change to make, but that's not that compelling of a reason. 08:10 not that you need many wishes in unnethack anyway 08:11 thanks to extra branches and 1ES 08:11 And the fact that you're not going to spend one on DSM. 08:11 probably not, no 08:12 unless the chromatic dragons don't drop scales 08:12 (Also, making them non-rechargeable means you don't spend one on charging probably.) 08:12 aosdict: yes. but besides the flavor, I think reducing randomness is always wrong. give them charges based on a dice call is better IMO. that makes the player excited about finding them and happy when they have the higher, less likely charge 08:12 aosdict: also change the wresting behavior :-) 08:13 I kind of like how wresting works in Fourk, although if I were making the decision thinking of wishing in particular, rather than wands in general, I'd be tempted to just make the wand crumble to dust without doing anything, on wrest. 08:14 (How wresting works in Fourk: it never takes more than a few tries.) 08:15 I threw that out completely 08:16 <[Demo]> yikes 08:16 bhaak: Yeah, throwing out wresting entirely works particularly well for wishing. 08:17 a zapped wand with 0 charges will turn to dust always, with a chance depending on BUC of giving its effect (players tend to hoard too much anyway, so making a wand go poof makes for a lighter inventory) 08:17 wishing is the only way where wresting is used ayway 08:18 stennowork: Sometimes also for utility wands, e.g., cold. 08:18 But yes, mostly for wishing. 08:18 very very sometimes 08:18 Which is a good argument in favor of killing the mechanic. 08:18 yeah 08:19 in unnethack, it's more favorable for emergency zaps. because the chance is no longer 1/121 but at most 1/7 08:20 That does give you 0 chance to find out the wand's empty and save it to recharge, though. Which, I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but it feels like a significant difference. 08:20 bhaak: There seem to be two separate debates happening here: should wishes be spread out to later in the game, and should they retain their current randomness? 08:21 <[Demo]> nerf scroll of flood versus 1es 08:21 i like the scrolls of wishing from fourk 08:21 In my experience, in vanilla, when the player finds a 0:1 wand, they respond by saying "Man, this stinks! Only 5 wishes!", not "Maybe next time I'll get 7 wishes! :)" 08:21 i think thats a really good solution to distribute arbitrary numbers of wishes in the dungeon 08:21 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 08:22 but if you give the player less wishes you have to give them more loot 08:23 aosdict: I think, a WoW is rare enough that you don't need to reduce it for the early game. for later, it might be an option to increase it or provide new branches to get a WoW for the ascension kit completion. 08:24 otherwise players might linger around trying to get stuff they possibly ned 08:25 bhaak: I'm also in favor of making WoWs not randomly generate, since they're basically a "you win now" golden ticket if the player isn't a total noob 08:25 basically, they break game progression if you find one early. 08:25 <[Demo]> don't gold detection scrolls need to be cursed in un for confused use to be good? 08:26 aosdict: thank you for calling me a total noob after 25 years of playing. 08:26 oh scratch that, I'm angry about something else and it carries over 08:26 (a RL thing) 08:26 * bhaak gives raisse a candy 08:26 % 08:26 om nom nom 08:26 When players find an early wow, they often get themselves killed. 08:27 Granted, that's especially true of new players. 08:27 my third ascension was a Tourist that found a +5 Sting 08:28 which I could have wished for with a WoW but of course I would never have done. but that Sting got me through the early game easily and tremendously helped 08:28 -!- dell30 has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:28 aosdict: but then you would need to offer more locations to get a WoW? 08:29 I'm "played one, won one" on early WoW but I guess you also need to have developed immunity to hilarious typo deaths 08:29 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:30 bhaak: If we're considering, in a vacuum, just the change to remove randomly generated wands, I don't see any particular reasons to get a WoW; most games don't get any random ones. 08:31 s/get a WoW/offer more WoW locations/ 08:32 -!- dell30 has joined #hardfought 08:34 aosdict: who says cursed or blessed status on scrolls of wishing absolutely has to make a difference? 08:34 but the greater problem would be that illiterate conduct suddenly means a lot less wishes, and it's already a difficult conduct even with a WoW 08:35 aosdict: agreed. if only consider removing the random ones. if we also consider reducing the charges, then you could offer more though 08:35 bhaak: Yes, and it's up to the developer whether they want the overall amount of wishes to keep parity with vanilla. 08:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:36 LarienTelrunya: scrolls with no BUC differentiation are boring :-p with regards to conducts, I take lorimer's stance that I don't design for conducts in general. improved gameplay for the average player is more important. 08:36 aosdict: yes 08:37 Since I dislike randomness in such an important part of players' strategies, my plan was to have 6 guaranteed wishes: 2 at castle, 4 scattered around in Gehennom, probably in Baalz, fakewiz2, in the top floor of the Wizard's Tower, and Vlad's. 08:37 Why not a potion of wishing? 08:37 makes less flavor sense than a scroll 08:37 aosdict: but from experience, I can tell it will be *much* *much* better PR if you offer two new locations with guaranteed WoWs while reducing the charges, even if in the end you have less guaranteed wishes than vanilla :-D 08:37 granted, potions of monster and object detection already have this flavor problem 08:38 ah, you already considered that 08:38 s/two new/new/ 08:38 -!- stennowork has left #hardfought 08:39 bhaak: Well, that's not incompatible with making wands one-wish-only nd then putting five more of them around, right? 08:39 not at all 08:39 I just don't like wish stacking. 08:44 understandable 08:46 PeterQ: smoky potions are already a kind of potion of wishing. IMO a simple 'potion of wishing' would be more boring than smoky potions 08:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:51 <[Demo]> I want a potion of teleportitis that gives temporary teleportitis 08:52 <[Demo]> Ok adding that to corpse alchemist ndnh probably 08:52 Add an instant teleportation upon quaffing as well 08:53 Then it has a use as escape item 08:53 <[Demo]> I might just make it give control and itis temporarily 08:53 <[Demo]> also that already exists 08:53 <[Demo]> it's just a scroll 08:54 -!- dell30 has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:59 -!- TheBrayn5 has joined #hardfought 08:59 Aⅼⅼah iѕ ԁοіᥒg 08:59 sᥙᥒ ⅰs ᥒοt doіng Aⅼlɑһ is doіng 08:59 mooᥒ іѕ not ԁoіng Аllаh iѕ ⅾoing 08:59 -!- TheBrayn5 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 09:02 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:21 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 09:22 -!- theRaisse has quit [Client Quit] 09:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:23 moo is not doing? :P 09:23 Hardfought is doing 09:24 moon is not doing cockatrice is doing 09:24 What does this mean?lol 09:25 well, I'm just riffing on the allah spam 09:26 It's such a strange way to spam people. I wonder why it's happening and why that's the choice of spambot messages. 09:26 It's very strange 09:27 Eventually, if it manages to get through everything else, it gives you some words you can say to convert to islam 09:27 don't ask me why they expect this to work 09:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:29 -!- lod__5 has joined #hardfought 09:29 Αllаh is doiᥒg 09:29 -!- lod__5 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 09:30 Yeah who knows. I don't feel particularly inclined to adopt anything that's aggresively pushed in my face every day. Maybe it works for some people. 09:48 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 09:48 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Freenode is now setting +R to all new connections; please identify with NickServ, otherwise you will not be able to talk 09:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 09:50 wb K2. did you trip over the cable? 09:55 bhaak: technically K2 never claimed he was safe from Florence, I claimed he was safe from Florence. :-) 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Mon Hum Mal Law), 7967 points, T:4493, quit 10:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1123 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12124 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law), 834 points, T:1742, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 10:16 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had a pair of walking shoes bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:33924 10:22 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:34072 10:26 Is anyone maintaining Slash'em these days or is it going to stay the same that it was for all eternity? 10:26 slex is the "official continuation" of slash'em 10:27 elronnd also has a "slashem-next" repository 10:27 I don't really care for slex, though, unfortunately. 10:32 I don't think there's much developer will to do much more to slash'em than maybe fix the odd bug here and there 10:34 is the slashem-next repository private? I can't seem to find it anywhere 10:34 https://github.com/elronnd/slashem-next 10:35 I'm curious, if slash'em were being actively developed, what would you be looking for in it? 10:37 I think I'd mainly just like to see a version of Slash'em that's based on 36x. The sheer amount of good changes that have happened in vanilla between 331 and 362 is astounding and the game is so much better now than it was in that version. 10:38 I feel like the majority of gameplay changes made in that time are the Wizard Patch 10:38 which is already in vanilla 10:41 It would be cool to play slash'em with curses as well. 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14769 11:07 [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2500 points, T:1960, killed by a dwarf 11:12 hi 11:12 Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought 11:13 I'm available for beta testing the tnnt variant if you need meat for the machine. 11:13 I'm good at breaking things. 11:14 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 11:16 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:15922 11:30 -!- Nomad_20 has joined #hardfought 11:30 Allɑһ iѕ ⅾoiᥒɡ 11:30 -!- Nomad_20 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:30 introsp3ctive: aww you don't want to play slex? what a shame :( but it seems that regular slashem may soon be put on hdf, with a couple hdf patches 11:31 LarienTelrunya: It looks like it's up already 11:31 well then... play slashem *bundlebundlebundle* :D 11:31 LarienTelrunya: It's up already 11:31 And don't get me wrong, I like slex. It's just not my style, is all. 11:31 ... 11:31 There's a cool new menu for variants now 11:32 Also there's a tournament menu containing TNNT 11:32 Which I can't play yet :( 11:32 Which doesn't work 11:32 will have to wait until open beta (if there is one) 11:32 Ooh, zapm is officially listed now 11:33 what's zapm? 11:33 Sci-Fi Nethack, basically 11:34 It's not a fork but it's really heavily inspired by it 11:34 neat 11:34 It's been available for a really long time with z but it's been hidden from the menu until now 11:34 I'll have to try that out sometime 11:34 PavelB: I'm sad that now most newcomers to the server will see only "variants menu" and not the list of variants 11:34 Same, but moreso because one more keystroke for me 11:39 I think separating them into submenus does a disservice to the variants. 11:39 Or I just edit my script: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/KWnQtEH6E2ch4HtjgrqoXw 11:39 why? There's so many things on there now that it makes sense to me to have them in a submenu. 11:39 what's tnnt? 11:40 The November Nethack Tournament 11:40 oh, I see 11:41 introsp3ctive: I'm in the camp trying to get more people interested in playing nethack and its variants. "Top of the fold" is the best way to capture interest. 11:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (kraken), on T:529 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Rog Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3096 11:42 bouqet: do you really think that one additional keystroke is going to have an effect on the amount of people who become interested in playing? 11:43 New users just won't see the variants 11:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law), 242 points, T:990, killed by a wand 11:47 yes, I do. 11:51 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:52 K2: Beholder death announcing for zapm when 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:17211 12:10 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 12:10 -!- asimov.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Freenode is now setting +R to all new connections; please identify with NickServ, otherwise you will not be able to talk 12:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 12:10 sorry for disruption of service 12:11 comcast is out here upgrading hardware at the pole for new installs (house being built nearby) 12:11 they're done 12:11 ok back to work 12:12 hah my upload/download speed increased slightly 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:18307 12:42 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had a large shield bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:43565 12:43 -!- Airwave20 has joined #hardfought 12:43 Alⅼah is ԁoіng 12:43 ѕᥙn is not doing Aⅼⅼah is dⲟing 12:43 moon is not ԁоiᥒɡ Allaһ іs doiᥒg 12:43 -!- Airwave20 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:44 I've been wondering if that's the entire spam or if it goes on for more lines 12:45 it goes on for more lines 12:45 Let me guess: stars are not doing... 12:47 PavelB: http://www.mattzone.com/ansible/ansible_20160126.html 12:47 Thanks 12:47 (Why, oh why is that green header stick) 12:47 *sticky 12:49 It's w3m-enhanced 12:51 https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-sunxi/2016-07-12 has a little more 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:18800 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18801 12:59 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 996 points, T:1748, killed by a gnome 13:04 YANI: If you get strangled for more than a couple turns, your maxHP starts getting reduced. 13:05 YANI from earlier: confused scrolls of wishing allow you to wizmode-like wish for a terrain type that will appear under you. 13:13 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had double-headed axe named Cleaver bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:45996 13:14 "nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah" what if you pray to allah too often? will he get angry himself? 13:17 so if my boss is mad at me, it's not his fault, it's divine justice! 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:20079 13:23 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 61342 points, T:20738, killed by an owlbear 13:30 -!- hf_guest_18897 has joined #hardfought 13:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:53 aosdict: all flavors of vanilla stayed on main menu page 13:53 1.3d is vanilla technically 13:53 its not a variant 13:54 !who 13:54 K2: [hdf-us] pinball [nh362] samiam [nh362] barleywine [nh362] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:54 i need to update beholder for slash'em 14:00 Yeah, it's consistent I guess, but, ugh. Is this the One True Variant Server or not? 14:01 almost 14:01 missing nethack brass 14:01 I guess SLASH'EM can also be part of next junethack? maybe I'll even ascend it ;) 14:01 * K2 pokes jonadab 14:01 LarienTelrunya - technically yeah. xlogfile and dumplogs work 14:01 yay! 14:03 K2: maybe since there's so much space now, add a banner saying "Hosting SporkHack, GruntHack, UnNetHack, ..." 14:03 on the main page 14:04 hrm 14:05 no i dont like that 14:07 K2: what about unnethack? technically, it's vanilla, too. it has direct lineage to nethack 1.3 and it's developped by a devteam member 14:07 nice try ;) 14:08 bhaak: unnethack doesn't have the Mike Stephenson Seal of Approval 14:12 -!- hf_guest_18897 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 14:14 what about "we have every variant. if you can't find it here, it doesn't exist. play now *bundlebundlebundle*" :D 14:14 brb convincing K2 to add NetHack-- 3.0.10 for historical reasons 14:15 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 14:15 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Freenode is now setting +R to all new connections; please identify with NickServ, otherwise you will not be able to talk 14:15 what about the 2.x series 14:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 14:15 or just 'hack' 14:15 how about rogue and moria :D 14:15 !ping 14:15 K2: Pong! 14:15 !role slash 14:15 K2: necromancer 14:16 !role slash 14:16 K2: monk 14:16 !role slash 14:16 K2: ranger 14:16 !race slash 14:16 K2: doppelganger 14:16 !race slash 14:16 K2: gnome 14:16 !race slash 14:16 K2: lycanthrope 14:16 ok 14:16 !role slash'em 14:16 aosdict: healer 14:16 :) 14:16 "if you can't find it here it doesn't exist" is a very good tagline, but is inaccurate until brass gets added. 14:16 K2: I will attempt to get Brass in usable shape in time for June this year. 14:16 !setmintc 0 14:16 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 set to 0 14:16 I make no promises about results, but I will attempt. 14:17 thanks jonadab 14:17 jonadab: with a time machine, because june has already passed? :D 14:17 K2: hack 1.0.3 is well maintained 14:17 <+aosdict> YANI: If you get strangled for more than a couple turns, your maxHP starts getting reduced. 14:17 [hdf-us] [slash] k2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 24 points, T:81, killed by a newt 14:17 because kicking me when i'm down is always more fun 14:17 \o/ 14:18 bhaak: in that it has been maintained all the way into 3.6.1? 14:19 [hdf-us] [slash] k2 (Fla Dro Fem Cha), 0 points, T:37, killed by a water moccasin 14:19 alrighty 14:19 i can push those changes 14:21 LarienTelrunya: this coming June, I mean. 14:22 hothraxxa: That could be instead of instadeath, though. 14:22 i.e., higher max HP would make the timer longer. 14:22 jonadab: Usually in proposals like that it's Con. 14:23 -!- hf_guest_76960 has joined #hardfought 14:23 this is similar to the damned energy vortex darin 14:23 drain 14:23 oh you can't escape? let me trim your max pw for you 14:24 aosdict: no. the BSDs have it, debian has it in bsdgames 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:20741 14:26 I would be surprised if those wouldn't include bug fixes :) 14:29 bhaak who maintains hack 1.0.3? 14:30 <[Demo]> I think I may put forth an effort move towards using openbsd as a desktop operating system 14:32 -!- scanf has joined #hardfought 14:32 Аⅼlah ⅰs doinɡ 14:32 -!- scanf has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:32 !who 14:32 K2: [hdf-us] pinball [nh362] barleywine [nh362] Eleven [zapm] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 14:34 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 14:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 14:35 !players 14:35 K2: [hdf-us] pinball [nh362] barleywine [nh362] k2 [slash] Eleven [zapm] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 14:35 wewt 14:36 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:37 <@Winsalot> Hello 14:37 Hello @Winsalot, Welcome to #hardfought 14:38 <@Winsalot> So I have a situation in FIQhack 14:38 <@Winsalot> rodney is awake 14:38 <@Winsalot> and I forgot to kill Vlad 14:38 <@Winsalot> but Vlad is not in his tower 14:38 <@Winsalot> he levelported god knows where 14:38 hah damn 14:38 <@Winsalot> and I am already out of wand of death charges 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed greased fixed magic marker (0:99)", on T:21072 14:39 <@Winsalot> and have negative luck 😃 14:40 <@Winsalot> I'm thinking about going on a mission to find Vlado, and instead of actally killing Rodney, I would just level drain him to lvl 1 14:41 <@Winsalot> Or if i killed level-drained rodney, would next time he come back at normal lvl again? 14:41 i think he does 14:41 no he would come back at 30 + incarnations 14:41 but this being FIQhack, that's a question for FIQ 14:42 <@Winsalot> yeah, I guess im fucked 😃 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:21235 14:44 <@Winsalot> Time to go on a slex spam I guess 😃 14:45 yaaaaaaaaaay ♥ 14:45 * LarienTelrunya hugs Winsalot 14:46 ten elite ants, flanked by a guard of yellow lights 14:46 LarienTelrunya: is "elite ant" a slex monster yet 14:47 heh, not sure, I think it's not, but that can be fixed 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:21236 14:49 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:49 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: what exactly is the symbol of those ghosts that look like 8 14:49 <@Winsalot> is is number 8? 14:49 <@Winsalot> can i genocide those fuckers? 14:49 it is number 8, and I guess those that can be genocided, can be removed by a class genocide of 8, but most of them are immune I think 14:50 <@Winsalot> those dudes are the worst 14:55 -!- Tvilling0 has joined #hardfought 14:55 Аlⅼah iѕ dοіnɡ 14:55 -!- Tvilling0 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:57 K2: the distros: https://packages.debian.org/sid/bsdgames 14:57 neat 15:01 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:21384 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:21386 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "7 blessed greased fixed wax candles", on T:21406 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:21409 15:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:21449 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed ring of conflict", on T:21455 15:21 Wishing for candles in 3.6.2? Did the ones in vlads tower get removed? 15:22 no they did not 15:22 probably just doesn't know about them 15:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:21530 15:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:34 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:21631 15:45 K2: I have a few racks in a colo in seattle with room for a server if you want to host there. I might consider doing it for free if I get a free GoP at turn 1. 15:45 hah 15:45 thats tempting 15:45 but i cant grant GoP on turn 1 for anybody 15:45 even myself 15:46 well, schucks. 15:46 hosting hdf-us from home has been fine. wish my failover isp had been up earlier today though... 15:47 not done cfg it yet 15:47 oh, i found out today that i might be able to get 1Gbps service to my house 15:48 is it expensive? 15:49 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 15:49 bouquet: I could grant the player with name "bouquet" free GoP on the DL1 upstairs 15:49 on the upstairs when going up? :-) 15:50 raisse: was told it may only be 10 usd more per month than what i'm paying now 15:50 oh that's reasonable! 15:50 worth thinking about I'd say 15:50 oh hell yeah i am 15:50 even if i can only get 500 Mbps 15:50 it's like our ISP where we've been like 30 years and they keep doubling our speed and giving us crazy discounts 15:50 thats huge 15:51 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:51 we're now paying only 10 months out of every year 15:51 used to be 11 months but when we hit 25 years we got another free month 15:51 and yes, that's 1988 15:52 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 15:52 it was "the digital city" then, very experimental, first company that had internet for non-army non-university people in NL 15:52 (we never had the army thing anyway, it was only universities and very large corporations) 15:52 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 15:53 -!- uruwi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54 K2: well what are you paying now 15:54 comcast is not well known for having nice prices... 15:56 aosdict: don't actually do that :) 15:56 110/mo 15:56 for 75 down/15 up 15:56 bouquet: was not going to :) 15:57 but i get closer to 80-81 up and 18-20 down 15:57 err down then up 15:57 just saying, if you *wanted* to program that in, it would not be hard 15:57 I pay $150/month for 1Gbps and a /30 fixed. 15:57 the /30 is ipv4 space? 15:58 ya, ipv4. I have ipv6, too, but not sure what my network is. 15:58 we pay 59 euros a month for glass fibre and telephone (package without TV, with TV it's 79) 15:58 daaaaaang 15:58 also about 50/quarter for 5 domains and hosting, with another company 15:59 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 16:03 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 16:04 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:08 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 16:08 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (electric eel), on T:21807 16:11 "Cire Htims comes and takes the 30 zorkmids you owed it." 16:11 dehumanizing much? 16:13 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 16:18 hah! 1Gbps service is available at my house 16:19 totally getting it 16:19 10 bucks cheaper to boot 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:21970 16:25 <[Demo]> nice 16:25 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:32 bwahaha 16:32 they're coming tomorrow 16:33 i wonder how this will affect pings for people farther away 16:34 <[Demo]> hdf downtime? 16:34 yup 16:34 hdf-us 16:35 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 16:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:22201 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:22249 16:41 probably won't affect pings that much if you already have 75 megs 16:43 not the 75mbps part 16:43 its the upload on my side that helps determine pings for everyone else 16:43 on paper its 35mbps up (from 15) 16:44 but the guy on the phone who has the same service says he routinely gets 50+ mbps up 16:44 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:44 that's significant 16:44 honestly i'd setting for 200-300 mbps down if my upload speed could match it 16:45 *settle 16:45 <[Demo]> whats ur new up gonna be? 16:45 35-50 or more 16:45 down will be 1 Gbps 16:45 or close to it 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 78 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:22378 16:45 and i'm gonna save 14 bucks a month hahahahahah 16:47 so tomorrow morning somewhere between 0730 and 1000 hrs EST hdf-us and the website and beholder will be down 16:47 this will not affect hdf-eu or hdf-au of course 16:47 unless i bust ass tonight and try to get my failover connection up and going tonight 16:48 but i need sleep ugh 16:49 <[Demo]> oh cool you have one 16:50 <[Demo]> was wondering 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 19 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:22456 16:52 These demons are accepting chump change, smh 16:53 play xnethack... :D 16:53 they don't 16:53 Yeah, xnethack is nice 16:53 <[Demo]> play dnh, they dont there either 16:54 yes, I should play some more 16:54 :) 16:54 I should play more dnh too 16:54 can anyone order me a day-stretcher? 16:59 <[Demo]> Status of Numina (neutral): Level 50 HP 4000(4000) AC -10. 17:00 -!- mnaser15 has joined #hardfought 17:00 Αⅼⅼаh iѕ doiᥒɡ 17:00 -!- mnaser15 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:02 -!- DonkeyDong has joined #hardfought 17:02 Allaһ iѕ dοiᥒg 17:02 -!- DonkeyDong has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:03 asmodeus is not doing pinball is doing 17:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:22899 17:13 <[Demo]> goddammit acu early game is too har 17:18 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:26 -!- hf_guest_76960 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 17:30 <[Demo]> oh hey i can turn dwarf corpses into excavation potions 17:36 -!- dell30 has joined #hardfought 17:40 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 18:14 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:15 <[Demo]> does anyone know how dnh gnoems work? 18:15 <[Demo]> all the gnomes in the mine seem to be fighting for me? 18:15 <[Demo]> one accidentally shot a dwarf now the dwarf is angry at me 18:19 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law), 6520 points, T:4318, killed by a monster (hc girl), while helplessly knocked out 18:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:24665 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:24722 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:24723 18:27 aosdict I gave it best effort to try and come up with a way to list some or all variant names on the main menu. it just doesnt look good 18:27 too busy 18:27 cluttered 18:28 doesnt leave any room hardly for MOTD 18:28 <[Demo]> aosdict: i cant say things there that guy isnt even in a bad spot dont worry 18:39 -!- hf_guest_44555 has joined #hardfought 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided gremlin, on T:24877 19:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:25130 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:25139 19:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Pir Inc Mal Neu), 180 points, T:1026, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:25168 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:25201 19:18 [hdf-us] [nh362] pinball (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1030898 points, T:25226, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/pinball/nh361/dumplog/1537262437.nh361.txt 19:49 -!- hf_guest_74965 has joined #hardfought 19:50 -!- hf_guest_44555 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 19:50 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:51 -!- daddesio20 has joined #hardfought 19:51 Aⅼlaһ is ⅾoing 19:51 -!- daddesio20 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 20:02 -!- hf_guest_74965 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 20:20 -!- fullermd5 has joined #hardfought 20:20 Aⅼlah is ԁοing 20:20 -!- fullermd5 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 20:25 !who 20:25 K2: [hdf-us] jmcunx [nh362] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3060 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3064 20:39 !variant 20:39 NCommander: dynahack 20:39 !variant 20:39 NCommander: sporkhack 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1441 points, T:4415, killed by a killer bee 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh362] NCommander (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 186 points, T:487, killed by a falling rock 20:55 oops 20:57 hey that's not sporkhack! 20:57 aosdict, :) 21:07 !pom 21:07 bouquet: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 6 days. 21:08 -!- tpw_rules11 has joined #hardfought 21:08 Ꭺⅼⅼah is doing 21:08 sun is nⲟt ԁoⅰᥒɡ Allaһ is ⅾoⅰng 21:08 ⅿoഠᥒ iѕ ᥒot doіᥒɡ Αⅼlaһ іѕ doing 21:08 -!- tpw_rules11 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:09 does hdf slash'em support the curses display ala vanilla-hdf? 21:10 and status_colors or hilite_status or any of that stuff? 21:22 -!- dell30 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22 -!- dell30 has joined #hardfought 21:23 -!- CornishPasty11 has joined #hardfought 21:23 Aⅼlɑһ іs ԁoinɡ 21:23 -!- CornishPasty11 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:26 -!- tacco| has quit [] 21:27 bouquet - no to all of it 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh362] NCommander (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 934 points, T:3425, killed by a ghoul, while paralyzed by a monster 21:27 but i'd like to add it 21:27 bleh 21:27 it does have working menucolors 21:43 -!- trees10 has joined #hardfought 21:43 Аⅼⅼah is doiᥒg 21:43 -!- trees10 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:58 !who 21:58 K2: [hdf-us] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] k2 [slash] 22:00 I suppose there's a small chance someone could think that means SLASH as opposed to SLASH'EM but that seems unlikely 22:01 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 22:02 hah shit thats right 22:02 there was a 'slash' before 'slash'em' 22:03 i need to correct that 22:03 it's more concise this way 22:03 i agree 22:03 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:04 slashem is 7 characters tho 22:04 didnt want to go above 5 22:05 what's a good abbrieviation for slashem 22:05 there really isn't one 22:05 just stick with slash 22:05 no 22:05 i cant now 22:05 hah 22:05 slshm? 22:06 i suppose that could work 22:12 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 22:12 -!- karatkievich.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Freenode is now setting +R to all new connections; please identify with NickServ, otherwise you will not be able to talk 22:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 22:16 !who 22:16 K2: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] k2 [slshm] | [hdf-au] No current players 22:16 !streak 22:16 K2: [hdf-us] K2 Max[xnh]: 4 (2018-03-30 - 2018-04-15). 22:16 !race slash 22:16 K2: gnome 22:16 !race slash'em 22:16 K2: gnome 22:16 !race slshm 22:16 K2: human 22:16 !role slshm 22:16 K2: barbarian 22:16 mumble mumble 22:17 ok... that's good 22:18 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Slash'EM 0.0.8E0F2 is now available for play! 22:18 ok gnite all 22:31 ooh, I just noticed splicehack's messages for demon lord appearances 22:33 !tell AntiGulp I really like the demon lord entry messages and want to add them! Did you write them? 22:33 Will do, aosdict! 22:48 -!- antoszka10 has joined #hardfought 22:48 Alⅼah is dഠiᥒɡ 22:48 -!- antoszka10 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 22:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 3978 points, T:6400, killed by a giant spider 22:58 "Yeenoghu turns into a ninja!" 23:21 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 23:22 aosdict: Yep, I wrote the demon lord messages! I do a lot of creative writing, and in NetHack I get to chew on the scenery and be as hammy as possible which is super fun. 23:22 AntiGulp: Message from aosdict at 2018-09-18 22:33 EDT: I really like the demon lord entry messages and want to add them! Did you write them? 23:23 (And thank you!) 23:27 -!- hf_guest_23739 has joined #hardfought 23:32 AntiGulp: this is great, because I suck at writing messages 23:33 currently attempting to implement it without requiring edits to the monst struct... I think I can do it by tying into several places that use STRAT_APPEARMSG. 23:34 It just always struck me as odd that for such important bosses they never get any sort of fanfare, and I feel like adding entrance messages for them helps prevent the “Oops I didn’t notice asmodeus just popped in, there go half my hitpoints” issue. 23:34 <[Demo]> Oh yeah dnh has that for 2 demon masters 23:35 AntiGulp: My last game I only noticed a killed a major demon because Beholder announced it 23:35 lololol 23:36 Actually, I may want to generalize this code so that it works for more than just demon lords. 23:36 aosdict: I’d be interested if you did that! 23:36 Also I’m considering adding the xnethack amnesia changes, because… well because too many reasons. 23:36 AntiGulp: Would you feel like writing more for the Wizard's first encounter and each of the Riders? 23:37 Totally! 23:37 I can't think of anyone else that would deserve one. The high priest of Moloch and Wizard reincarnations are covered. 23:38 YASI: The wizard’s first appearance just involves him shouting “So thou thoughtst thou couldst evade me, fool!” but it takes up the whole screen. 23:38 ...vlad? 23:38 I guess he should get one too 23:39 If I was designing a more jokey variant I would just use this for Vlad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMTizJemHO8 23:40 pff 23:41 Medusa? 23:41 She's pretty important 23:41 perhaps 23:41 But on the other hand most encounters with here involve her instantly killing herself with your reflection 23:41 she doesn't use APPEARMSG though so might be harder to tie in to 23:41 I honestly can’t think of many situations with Medusa that don’t involve instantly killing her. 23:42 I mean besides the one game where she somehow survived and fled into a maze. That was fun. 23:42 Sometimes you get a blindfold but no reflection 23:43 Given medusa has a guaranteed shielf of reflection does anyone ever hope for sokoref over sokobag 23:45 it's not guaranteed 23:45 75% chance, right? 23:45 also some characters (monks) would really rather have reflection via amulet 23:46 * PavelB has only done medusa twice 23:46 AntiGulp: In one level variant it's 25%. 23:46 I dunno about the new ones added in 3.6. 23:47 looks like the probs are 75% 25% 75% 75% 23:49 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 23:53 -!- tenbeers has joined #hardfought 23:58 she can stone you in you have Eyes of Overworld and you spot her through the wall and she's awake, right?