00:00 <aosdict> YANI: when you polymorph a corpse, it doesn't turn into random food but rather does a monster polymorph, turning it into the corpse of a level-appropriate monster.
00:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1264 points, T:2452, killed by a giant spider, while sleeping
00:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3390
01:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:51311
01:13 <tenbeers> Hey, when you're using an aklys as a ranged weapon (which, hooray, now returns to you 99%), is there any way to not have to use 2 keystrokes to throw it (without having it be the only weapon in inventory)?
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02:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 6534 points, T:9733, killed by a bolt of cold
02:20 <tenbeers> yowch
02:23 <rld> <@IceBox> I don't think it's possible outside of macros tenbeers
02:23 <tenbeers> thanks, rld!
02:24 <tenbeers> it makes a pretty fun yoyo
02:24 <rld> <@IceBox> No problemo if you find something though let us fellow 361 aklys lovers know ;)
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02:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] vid (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 43018 points, T:25765, killed by Tiamat
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03:10 <tenbeers> holy pachyderms. I just escaped a somewhat early mumak whose second hit would have killed me by zapping an unidentified (no effect from engraving) wand at it, turned out to by poly and it transmuted the mumak to a friendly ghoul...
03:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Susanowo, on T:5610
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03:32 <tenbeers> nooo
03:32 <tenbeers> lol
03:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Susanowo, on T:6407
03:44 <FIQ> !who
03:44 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] tenbeers [nh362] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
03:44 <tenbeers> ok i can deal with Frostbrand.
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04:02 <tenbeers> ohgod. water nymph randomly showed up while I was just running from stair to stair in otherwise cleared-out upper Mines...
04:02 <tenbeers> systematically stole everything I had by jumping right next to me and stealing something before I even had a single turn to react...
04:02 <tenbeers> got the wands and started teleporting whenever she felt like it before I could get close...
04:03 <tenbeers> read my scrolls of Earth...
04:03 <tenbeers> eventually stripped everything but my daggers, which are nearly useless to a Priest..
04:03 <tenbeers> then her buddy the wood nymph showed up to party too. Great game went to shit!
04:03 <raisse> and you don't have offensive spells either I suppose
04:03 <tenbeers> nope! all i can do is run around, be angry, and heal myself!
04:03 <raisse> well, you might have sleep which works a treat on nymphs, but probably not
04:04 <tenbeers> no sleep yet.
04:04 <tenbeers> that might be my only way through this, to go and just soldier on through the regular dungeon until sleep is acquired.
04:04 <tenbeers> I can't run sokoban because there's a mumak in there
04:05 <raisse> eek! you'll need to put *that* to sleep too
04:05 <tenbeers> srsly.
04:06 <tenbeers> you know those games where you made no obvious mistakes, the game just turned its will to grinding you down bit by bit!
04:06 <raisse> yeah
04:06 <tenbeers> the dungeon is going to be SO much fun with only daggers and darts, on a priest with no armor.
04:07 <tenbeers> I would suicide, but I probably won't HAVE to.
04:07 <raisse> nah, something else will kill you, don't worry
04:08 <raisse> a rolling boulder trap, even
04:08 <tenbeers> yup
04:08 <tenbeers> it'll put a nice little cherry on top of this cupcake run
04:09 <tenbeers> of course the Minetown turned out to be one of the worst, so can't just buy a blunt weapon or anything else useful
04:10 <tenbeers> hmm, guess I could genocide nymphs, though...
04:10 <tenbeers> except it's a real long shot that I'd ever get and identify that scroll now.
04:10 <tenbeers> before death I'll just read my 3 unidentified scrolls just to see.
04:11 <raisse> if one is genocide I'll buy you a beer the next time we meet in the flesh
04:11 <tenbeers> :]
04:12 <tenbeers> well, i now have a needlessly enchanted runed dagger, have evaporated my replacement armor, and magic-mapped level 1.
04:12 <tenbeers> bwahaha.
04:12 <raisse> lol
04:13 <tenbeers> i suppose there's the possibility of nabbing the nymp(s) with lucky potion strikes
04:13 <raisse> you can stick the dagger into the nymphs!
04:13 <tenbeers> yeah that should provide a good hour of side splitting fun!
04:14 <tenbeers> At least the water nymph identified my "must be death or sleep" wand for me.
04:16 <raisse> I suppose it wasn't death or you wouldn't have done all the scroll-reading.
04:18 <tenbeers> yeah she put me to sleep numerous times... as if she even needed to.
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04:19 <tenbeers> whaddya bet my un-ID'd rings are something that would have prevented some of the theft
04:24 <tenbeers> !gt a
04:24 <tenbeers> or not
04:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 8012 points, T:9623, killed by a soldier ant
04:24 <elenmirie> aw.
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04:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 426 points, T:805, killed by a small mimic
04:30 <tenbeers> 'night :)
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07:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:17888
07:59 <PeterQ> I thought leaving 2 spaces between myself and the drawbridge would be enough...
08:01 <raisse> no, you have to be a knight's jump away 
08:01 <raisse> two back and one to the side
08:02 <jonadab> You can be in a straight line if you're far enough back.
08:02 <raisse> or that
08:02 <jonadab> Which is what I usually do these days, pre-emptively zap striking at the bridge.
08:03 <PeterQ> Yeah, I did the same (it wasn't the castle so no instrument)
08:03 <PeterQ> But according to the wiki only 2 spots are dangerous, the moat and the one directly after
08:04 <PeterQ> I was one further back
08:04 <elenmirie> I think it's different in dnh
08:04 <elenmirie> I got caught by that once too
08:06 <raisse> ah, it was dnh, I wasn't paying attention
08:08 <PeterQ> I'll remember it from now on. Only wand of opening or knock
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08:18 <raisse> or a musical instrument?
08:20 <raisse> I'd almost go play a valk because of the watery tart.
08:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed potions of enlightenment", on T:185525
08:24 <PeterQ> musical instruments only work at the castle, right? or can every drawbridge be opened with the passtune?
08:26 <raisse> oh right, it wasn't the castle
08:26 <raisse> *really* not paying attention
08:26 <raisse> no, for other drawbridges you need other means of opening
08:26 <raisse> (that would be seriously cool though, if every drawbridge responded to the passtune)
08:42 <aosdict> !tell tenbeers I think the only way of hitting with an aklys in one keystroke would be an autohit option, but every time I've seen that come up it's been rejected on making the game too DCSS like for some reason.
08:42 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
08:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class u, on T:186086
08:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided soldier, on T:186087
08:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided sergeant, on T:186088
08:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided captain, on T:186088
08:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided doppelganger, on T:186089
09:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3619
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09:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2075 points, T:4406, poisoned by a rotted hill orc corpse
09:58 <FlamingGuacamole> where do i register clans for tnnt? is that available yet?
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10:09 <aosdict> FlamingGuacamole: it is not
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10:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:14758
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10:52 <AntiGulp> https://old.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/9gb1fe/quick_guide_for_those_who_want_to_play_362_in/
10:53 <AntiGulp> (Did I just figure out how to get Splice to compile into a tiled binary? Maybe…)
10:55 <aosdict> nooooo all warnings must be killed
10:55 <K2> hah
10:56 <AntiGulp> You REALLY don’t want to know how many warnings this threw then…
10:57 <K2> !tell FlamingGuacamole tnnt registration will most likely occur within 2 weeks out from go time. there'll be an announcement beforehand
10:57 <Beholder> Will do, K2!
10:57 <aosdict> I mean, the core code should be warning-free, right? Is this all Qt windowport warnings?
10:57 <aosdict> I remain comfortable in my position not to bother supporting tiles until I hear that someone wants them.
10:58 <AntiGulp> Yep, it’s all Qt warnings. The core code is solid, but Qt is not a happy camper.
10:58 <K2> afaik, it's a small list of users who actually use tiles
10:58 <K2> could be wrong
10:59 <AntiGulp> I grew up using tiles. I don’t think I could go back to it (especially not with the Qt port), but I like having the option there.
11:00 <K2> i've tried tiles locally a long time ago. bleh
11:00 <K2> the only type i think i could get behind would be vulture
11:00 <K2> but i dont think it supports 3.6.x yet
11:01 <aosdict> A major project (hopefully from the hdf dev team?) should definitely be to get webtiles working again.
11:01 <AntiGulp> Webtiles was a thing?
11:02 <aosdict> Most of the nethack players I know in real life say something along the lines of "Yeah I love nethack but I can't live without tiles, so I can't play on a server"
11:02 <K2> really
11:02 <AntiGulp> Same
11:02 <aosdict> Yes, webtiles was a thing in 3.4.3 on NAO.
11:02 <K2> ascii or die
11:02 <aosdict> The page that runs it still exists, but it's broken with 3.6.1.
11:02 <K2> so our 343 build technically has tile support
11:03 <K2> hmm
11:04 <K2> oh by the way, side note - next time you're on hdf, from main menu hit option b
11:05 <AntiGulp> yessssssssssss
11:05 <K2> :)
11:05 <K2> check version
11:05 <rld> <@Luxidream> whoa
11:06 <AntiGulp> OMG
11:06 <rld> <@Luxidream> it actually happened
11:06 <K2> i found this repo here last night - https://github.com/mistydemeo/slashem
11:06 <aosdict> option b, for bash'em extended?
11:06 <AntiGulp> I’m freaking out rn
11:07 <K2> if i can get xlogfile logging to work, i think we'd be good for junethack
11:07 <aosdict> what about FIQ's slashem repo?
11:07 <K2> and add some other QoL bits
11:07 <K2> i didnt know he had one
11:07 <rld> <@Luxidream> rcfile when?
11:07 <K2> @Luxidream its coming, this is bare bones atm
11:07 <aosdict> "mistydemeo" is a github staff member
11:08 <K2> yup
11:08 <K2> i emailed her, asked her if she had any plans to continue fixing bugs
11:08 <K2> she fixed a few
11:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 29696 points, T:1270, killed by a rabid rat
11:09 <aosdict> quick get Amy to bundle her
11:09 <AntiGulp> Her list of repositories is really impressive.
11:09 <K2> and there was a shit ton of activity between 0.0.7E7F3 and now
11:09 <K2> as far as bugfixes and such
11:09 <K2> so imo this is the 'latest' pure version
11:10 <aosdict> Are there more commits by her than just those two on github?
11:10 <K2> just those 2
11:10 <K2> but the bugfixes she references in the readme were added may 2017
11:11 <K2> looks like FIQ's slashem repo is forked from elronnd's work (slashem-next)
11:11 <K2> i looked at what elronnd was doing, didnt like the direction he was going
11:11 <K2> plus it wouldnt be 'pure' slash'em but a variant based off of it
11:11 <aosdict> elronnd is a slex dev, so
11:12 <K2> right
11:12 <K2> but yeah
11:12 <K2> i always paid attention to the slash'em requests, got motivated at around 1am this morning and did something about it
11:12 <aosdict> I'm not seeing any evidence of bugfixes being done in may 2017
11:13 <aosdict> also, no activity *since* may 2017
11:13 <K2> sorry not may 2017
11:13 <K2> tag end of 2007
11:13 <K2> the fixes that makes this 0.8.8E0F2 were applied dec 2007
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11:13 <K2> then her 2 commits last year were in prep for more I assume?
11:14 <aosdict> but... nothing for 1.4 years
11:14 <K2> i know
11:14 <K2> i sent her an email about 30 min ago
11:14 <aosdict> just saying, don't get hopes up
11:14 <K2> asking her what her plans were
11:14 <K2> and thats ok
11:14 <K2> we can take it from here
11:15 <K2> i'm not going to spend a lot of time on this until after tnnt
11:15 <K2> but wanted to see if i could get it to compile and play nice
11:15 <K2> (wasnt too difficult actually)
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11:17 <AntiGulp> Slightly off topic and I know this gets asked a lot, but what does “bundle” mean?
11:17 <K2> but yeah anyways... needs rc edit from menu at very least, that will take all of 2 min to enable
11:17 <aosdict> AntiGulp: you don't want to know
11:17 <K2> AntiGulp: its a form of affection from Amy, she uses long hair to 'bundlebundle' you somehow
11:17 <K2> prob some weird german sexual thing
11:18 <AntiGulp> huh
11:18 <K2> she's lesbian... dunno if that has any bearing
11:19 <aosdict> she bundles people of all genders so probably not
11:19 <K2> so fleecy
11:19 <K2> there's a meme in here somewhere...
11:19 <AntiGulp> I mean I’m not exactly straight myself and I haven’t heard it
11:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] Mr Tone's Wild Ride (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 530062 points, T:58429, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-09-16%2011_20_02%2C%20Mr%20Tone%27s%20Wild%20Ride-Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt
11:20 <aosdict> I don't think anyone has.
11:20 <aosdict> Outside of people that know her.
11:20 <K2> according to Kinsey institute surveys and study, no one is 100% straight (or 100% the other direction either)
11:21 <K2> hell, from past conversations here, we have a nice mix of different gender identities
11:22 * K2 shrugs
11:23 <K2> anyways
11:23 <AntiGulp> I’ve always been a woman, but people referred to me with “he” when I first logged on here and I went with it for months because I’m far too shy for my own good
11:24 <K2> ya know, i was going to ask you about that
11:24 <K2> saw you refer to yourself as female once recently
11:24 <MiseryMyra> I've done that
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11:24 <K2> i think most ppl just assume (incorrectly) and use 'he' as default
11:24 <AntiGulp> truth
11:24 <MiseryMyra> Sometimes it's just so I don't get a lot of unwanted attention
11:25 <aosdict> AntiGulp: wait what?
11:25 <AntiGulp> aosdict: fun facts with antigulp
11:25 <aosdict> I referred to you as "he" because your commit messages showed your name as Connor
11:25 <K2> in a way this is significant, because now amy no longer has the monopoly on female devs in the variant community
11:25 <K2> \o/
11:25 <AntiGulp> I mean fair, it’s usually a guys name
11:26 <K2> bundlebundlebundle fleecy hahahah
11:26 <MiseryMyra> Especially since I've been in a lot online spaces that have few women
11:26 <K2> MiseryMyra: understandable
11:26 <MiseryMyra> Which, back in the day, was "most of them"
11:27 <K2> i remember when i used to play FPS games online and host servers for some of those titles, female players would get all sorts of the wrong kind of attention
11:27 <K2> many would not divulge their gender
11:27 <MiseryMyra> Mm. I never ever use voice chat when playing with strangers online
11:28 <AntiGulp> Same.
11:28 <K2> and then you get the 40-ish weirdo guy who lives in their moms basement who pretends to be a 19 yr old girl
11:28 <K2> friggin internet
11:29 <MiseryMyra> I think that sort of thing is overstated
11:30 <K2> ;)
11:31 <aosdict> FWIW, people call me "he" all the time but I haven't actually said anything other than that it's irrelevant over IRC
11:31 <K2> apparently Connor is used as a girls name, but was more popular about 20-25 yrs ago
11:31 <K2> aosdict you come across as a he moreso than others
11:32 <MiseryMyra> Almost all people I know who "pretended to be a girl online" turned out to be bona fide trans women
11:32 <aosdict> interesting
11:32 <K2> at least to me you do
11:32 <aosdict> K2: well you are correct
11:32 <AntiGulp> MiseryMyra: Yeah, that’s been my experience as well.
11:32 <K2> heh
11:33 <aosdict> AntiGulp: Now that this is well known, expect a large shocked reaction from Amy
11:34 <AntiGulp> Oh
11:34 <AntiGulp> right
11:34 <AntiGulp> This will be interesting
11:34 <K2> hahaha
11:34 <K2> cant WAIT
11:34 <MiseryMyra> I also didn't start using gendered usernames until recently, but people still sometimes assume I'm male
11:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] Pokemon Let's Go Housecat (Luxidream) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1320 points, T:1807, killed by a crossbow bolt
11:35 <K2> MiseryMyra i think its because males still tend to dominate the online gaming scene. but this is much less tru than it was 20+ yrs ago
11:35 <K2> *true
11:36 <K2> people subconciously default to 'he'
11:36 <K2> hell i'm guilty of it myself
11:37 <MiseryMyra> For sure, but I'm also in online academic communities, and people often assume I'm male there
11:37 <bhaak> K2: I might hate myself for doing this but: https://bhaak.net/nethack/xlogfile-slashem.diff
11:37 <bhaak> I once contacted the slashem public server guy and tried to get him to update his server for junethack
11:38 <bhaak> but the problem was that the xlogfile patch is bones/save breaking
11:40 <K2> ah
11:40 <MiseryMyra> A lot of people I know who play NetHack are women, though
11:40 <K2> seeing as how this is new to hdf... no big deal
11:40 <K2> thanks bhaak ;)
11:41 <K2> totally adding this today
11:41 <bhaak> AntiGulp: I'm not shocked that you are a female but I'm starting to wonder what it is with female nethack variant developers and their liking to slash'em like variants :-)
11:41 <K2> um... its fleecy?
11:41 <AntiGulp> bhaak: I was JUST about to say that!
11:41 <AntiGulp> It’s really weird.
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11:42 <MiseryMyra> It's up to me to develop a non-slash'em based variant to break the stereotype
11:42 <aosdict> hey now gender has nothing to do with kitchen sinkiness, look at dnethack
11:42 <aosdict> unless Chris_ANG is actually Christine or something
11:42 <K2> hah
11:42 <AntiGulp> For me, Slash’em was what I learned NetHack with. The entire variant is so rooted in nostalgia for me that even though I’m very aware of its flaws, I can’t get over my feelings for it.
11:43 <K2> ^ that right there
11:43 <aosdict> In an ad hoc aosdict survey of nethack IRC communities (n = 50), 8 members were known males and 4 were known females.
11:43 <K2> thats why its up
11:43 <bhaak> ah, stockholm syndrome
11:44 * AntiGulp gets killed by an out-of-depth Gnoll in the mines “GOD I LOVE THIS GAME ITS PERFECT”
11:44 * aosdict snorts
11:44 <MiseryMyra> "Known male" and "known female" somehow sound accusatory
11:44 <rld> <@Luxidream> so perfect you decided to add the same thing to your game? :p
11:44 <AntiGulp> Luxidream: shhhhhh
11:44 <K2> lol
11:44 <aosdict> known to be male? dunno I just went through the #hardfought /names list :P
11:45 <K2> i should add a who's who gallery to the website
11:45 <MiseryMyra> "aosdict, a known male, conducted a survey today"
11:45 <K2> if you want to be seen, send me your pic, i'll add it
11:45 <aosdict> MiseryMyra: hah
11:45 <K2> used to have something like this way back in 2001 when I played DAoC (dark age of camelot)
11:45 <K2> we had a who's who for the guiniverre server
11:46 <bhaak> K2: are we still on the gender topic? because then you just asked to be sent lots of dick pics
11:46 <K2> i dont have my glasses handy bhaak so dont bother
11:46 * K2 squints
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11:47 <K2> here it comes
11:47 * K2 grabs some popcorn
11:47 <rld> <@kritixilithos> https://github.com/bhaak/dickpics
11:47 <K2> LarienTelrunya hi
11:47 <aosdict> I don't have any packaged popcorn but I have some popcorn kernels I should really get around to making
11:48 <LarienTelrunya> hi K2! wassup? bhaak made a joke repo I see?
11:48 <AntiGulp> Y’all are enjoying this so much
11:48 <K2> :)
11:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided Elvenking, on T:200885
11:48 <AntiGulp> :)
11:48 <aosdict> :)
11:48 <bhaak> :)
11:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided elf-lord, on T:200885
11:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided Green-elf, on T:200886
11:48 <K2> bhaak thats the best repo EVER
11:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided Grey-elf, on T:200886
11:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided Woodland-elf, on T:200887
11:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided nurse, on T:200888
11:49 <LarienTelrunya> huh, the backscroll says something about a shocked reaction from Amy? to what? bhaak's repo?
11:50 <K2> rofl
11:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided watchman, on T:200888
11:50 <AntiGulp> bhaak’s repo was very surprising
11:50 <K2> keep reading
11:50 <MiseryMyra> We made the shocking revelation that women exist
11:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided watch captain, on T:200889
11:50 <AntiGulp> SHOCKER
11:50 * K2 waits for it
11:50 <rld> <@kritixilithos> "Wer das liest, ist doof" (google translate from german) = "Only fools do read this" :||
11:50 <aosdict> bhaak: y u do dis
11:50 <K2> ok i have to make lunch for the kiddos, brb
11:51 <K2> mini me and 2 of her friends taking over my house
11:51 <bhaak> AntiGulp: there's only so much fun you can have with human genitals on the net, you really have to enjoy to the fullest possible extend when there's a new variant popping up
11:51 <MiseryMyra> Have fun
11:51 <LarienTelrunya> MiseryMyra: huh? it took you until know to realize that the slex dev is female?
11:52 <bhaak> LarienTelrunya: no. it's worse, completely different than you can imagine
11:52 <MiseryMyra> No, I already knew that
11:52 <AntiGulp> As long as we’re talking about weird github repos: https://github.com/jackdclark/five
11:53 <MiseryMyra> I'll star that one
11:53 <LarienTelrunya> well if it's about another variant developer being female, I actually already knew that but kept it to myself :D
11:53 <MiseryMyra> What a twist
11:53 <bhaak> plot twist: she means someone else :-)
11:53 <aosdict> TNNT probably doesn't count as a variant
11:53 <LarienTelrunya> after all, I read backlogs and saw her refer to herself as a "she" a couple days ago
11:54 <AntiGulp> aaaaaaaaayyyy
11:54 <aosdict> I caught that too, but figured it was a typo
11:54 <aosdict> silly me
11:54 <LarienTelrunya> but I guess I should do the mega bundling? okay, here goes: AntiGulp: *bundlebundlebundlebundlebundlebundlebundle!* *extra sweetheart bundle* *kiss* *swarming swing bundle* ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
11:54 <AntiGulp> oh god
11:55 <LarienTelrunya> AntiGulp: do you have a long bundle? ♥
11:55 <AntiGulp> My hair is very short right now, but I’m growing it out!
11:56 <LarienTelrunya> do you like to wear wigs? my own hair is unfortunately short but I like wearing a wig with long pink hair :)
11:56 <aosdict> Challenge: Using currently available information, sort all variant developers by hair length.
11:56 <bhaak> K2: I don't remember to what occasion I made that repo, but it was on IRC and it made sense back then :)
11:57 <rld> <@Luxidream> so we know where K2 is
11:57 <rld> <@Luxidream> hm
11:57 <MiseryMyra> This reminds me. I should get a haircut at some point
11:57 <AntiGulp> LarienTelrunya: I don’t wear wigs really. As short as my hair is it’s very fluffy and I’m a fan of that!
11:57 <aosdict> K2 < AntiGulp < LarienTelrunya (counting wigs) < Tangles
11:58 <LarienTelrunya> fluffy as in fleecy? ♥ sounds like being bundled by you would be a lot of fun then!
11:58 <MiseryMyra> But, yeah, I am mystified by the bundling
11:58 <aosdict> Everyone is
11:59 <aosdict> I don't want to ask this, but my curiosity is winning out: What is a "swarming swing bundle"?
11:59 <MiseryMyra> My hair is very long and kind of difficult to manage
12:00 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: a bundle that swings back and forth and is looking so sexy while doing so that I absolutely have to swoon over it :D
12:00 <aosdict> ok but where does the swarming part come in
12:00 <aosdict> are bees involved
12:00 <AntiGulp> No one can know about the bees
12:01 <MiseryMyra> a a a a a a a
12:01 <MiseryMyra> They're here
12:02 <LarienTelrunya> that's actually the result of a mistranslation: swoon is "schwärmen" in German, and "Schwarm" is swarm, resulting in the swarm verb which basically means swoon :D
12:02 <K2> see
12:02 <AntiGulp> MiseryMyra: Now I’m thinking about the movie poltergeist but with bees everywhere instead of ghosts
12:02 <aosdict> hah
12:02 <K2> i feel like i just lost a few iq points reading about bundling
12:03 * aosdict gives K2 a potion of restore ability
12:03 <K2> thanks... needed that
12:04 <LarienTelrunya> K2: if you want, I can prepare a pasta bolognese with mind flayer meat for you :D
12:04 <MiseryMyra> It at least makes more sense that there's some kind of language barrier here
12:05 <AntiGulp> Yeah, that clears things up a lot actually.
12:06 <K2> lol
12:06 <aosdict> this comes across as more of an intentional mistranslation?
12:06 <aosdict> like, LarienTelrunya is clearly fluent in English and knows the word "swoon"
12:06 <K2> maybe its a deliberate diversion tactic
12:07 <aosdict> "swarming swing bundle" sounds better than "swooning swing bundle"
12:07 <aosdict> despite making less sense
12:07 <K2> swinging bundle swoon fleecy
12:07 <aosdict> K2: are you going to make an Amy markov chain text generator?
12:07 <K2> i think we're on the verge of developing a sub language
12:07 <K2> hahahah
12:08 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: that's actually exactly the reasoning behind it :D congratulations! you understand the Amy's weird thought patterns! does that mean you can also gaze at Cthulhu withou becoming insane? ;)
12:08 <K2> aosdict you're on your own on this one
12:08 * K2 runs
12:08 <AntiGulp> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
12:09 <MiseryMyra> I'll go back to thinking about tangent bundles. Those make more sense
12:09 <bug_sniper> Tangles_, is your hair really long still?
12:09 <aosdict> AntiGulp: have you added that as a random engraving?
12:09 <aosdict> I was going to, but didn't remember the phrase
12:09 <AntiGulp> It should definitely be added!
12:10 <aosdict> bug_sniper: it was really long as of his recent visit to K2
12:10 <bug_sniper> I see
12:10 <MiseryMyra> I wonder if it's longer than mine
12:10 <K2> my hair gets too long at about 1/4"
12:11 <aosdict> MiseryMyra: pic is in the hardfought image gallery somewhere
12:11 <K2> need to shave my head again
12:11 <K2> me and Tangles - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2497/source
12:11 <K2> he's the cuter one with the long fleecy bundlebundle hair
12:12 <MiseryMyra> Nice
12:12 <aosdict> at a random guess... camel's hump? or in the area nearby?
12:12 <MiseryMyra> But is that your idea of really long hair?
12:12 <K2> hah no
12:12 <K2> aosdict: smuggs
12:13 <K2> south side of the notch
12:13 <aosdict> oh wait, the filename is "mount mansfield.jpg"
12:13 <K2> si
12:13 <K2> i used to have hair down to the middle of back
12:13 <MiseryMyra> My hair is about that long
12:13 <K2> but that was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away
12:15 <K2> kinda miss having it
12:15 <K2> but i stay a LOT cooler in the summertime
12:15 <K2> plus the army kinda frowns on males with long hair
12:16 <K2> when i retire i'm going full hippie mode
12:17 <MiseryMyra> Follow your dreams
12:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] Kerio the Wolf (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 632 points, T:458, killed by an invisible gnome
12:17 <aosdict> @Luxidream next time do "Kerio the Hedgehog"
12:22 <K2> heh
12:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] It's a me, Kerio! (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3463 points, T:2274, quit
12:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:202070
12:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:202074
12:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:202262
12:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:202407
12:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:202409
12:28 <PeterQ> EPI: In 10% of all games, the high priest carries a fake amulet, and the real amulet is carried by a random monster on the level
12:29 <aosdict> and the real amulet is *hidden randomly in undiggable rock somewhere in the edge of the level*
12:29 <AntiGulp> EPI: The fake amulet acts exactly like the real amulet, and you only find out when you offer it on the Astral plane.
12:29 <aosdict> and is undetectable by object detection
12:30 <LarienTelrunya> why does my hardfought terminal session crash if I try to watch a game that has already ended? message: : /dgldir/userdata/P/PeterQ/dnethack/ttyrec/2018-09-16.16:29:08.ttyrec: No such file or directory Connection to eu.hardfought.org closed.
12:30 <aosdict> AntiGulp: "an expensive mithril imitation of the Amulet of Yendor" :D
12:30 <AntiGulp> aosdict: pfffft yes
12:31 <PeterQ> LarienTelrunya: the files get zipped after the game ends, so the file gets replaced by a different one I think
12:31 <PeterQ> Or maybe not zipped but compressed in some way
12:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] Sonic 3 and Kerio (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4390 points, T:5294, quit
12:32 <AntiGulp> How do you change the name of your character on a server game?
12:33 <jonadab> AntiGulp: I think the only way to do that is in the options.
12:33 <LarienTelrunya> the nh4 variants allow you to input a name; I want to do the same for slex because then Luxidream will play it *bundlebundlebundle*, but it's a pain in the butt
12:33 <LarienTelrunya> plname appears in so many places
12:34 <AntiGulp> ugh I feel that, I remember when I added gender neutral code and had to comb the source for every ->female field.
12:34 <aosdict> objection! dyna is not a nh4 variant
12:35 <PeterQ> There is an option for setting the name, dunno which variants support that though
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12:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Law) killed Neferet the Green, on T:18309
12:37 <LarienTelrunya> one day slex shall have it too!
12:37 <ais523> Beholder: messages?
12:37 <LarienTelrunya> but for now, I'm changing disintegration effects so that they don't protect the inventory in evilvariant mode, because harharhar :D
12:40 <bug_sniper> yasi: an annoyingness varient where your inventory can only contain 21 items and sokoban is mandatory
12:41 <LarienTelrunya> bug_sniper: Elona has a special mode where your inventory is limited to 20 slots. Normally it has 200 and I reach that limit annoyingly often, so a limit of 20 is essentially unplayable :P
12:42 <bug_sniper> yeah, small inventories that fit on 1 screen are annoying
12:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Pri Inf Fem Law), 170 points, T:324, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted goblin
12:42 <LarienTelrunya> maybe the problem is that most role-playing games have so many potentially desirable items that the player needs big inventories to be able to carry it all
12:42 <K2> i've made a repo for slashem and will work on hdf build from it - https://github.com/k21971/slashem/tree/hardfought
12:42 <AntiGulp> Then there’s cataclysm, which tracks weight and encumberance.
12:43 <AntiGulp> *and volume
12:43 <ais523> bug_sniper: 24slot is a serious proposal that has been discussed here a few times
12:43 <K2> AntiGulp: sporkhack tracks volume to some degree. you cant just put *everything* into a box or chest for example
12:43 <ais523> the basic idea is a) you only have 24 inventory slots, b) equipped items do not count against your 24-item limit, c) a lot of merging, containers, etc. are done to reduce the number of inventory slots most people will need
12:43 <K2> and it has small bags. kinda like a fanny pack
12:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] toneDead (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2411 points, T:2021, killed by an ape
12:44 <AntiGulp> K2: Interesting! Cataclysm tracks everything to the tenth of a liter of volume, which is… frustrating.
12:44 <K2> damn
12:45 <jilles> ais523, containers seem like a tedious way to expand inventory slots
12:46 <K2> thats fine [Demo]
12:46 <K2> keep long sword/frostbrand as a backup
12:46 <ais523> jilles: well, I'm thinking of things like "you can use items directly from inside containers"
12:47 <ais523> previous discussion has mentioned things like "potion belts" which you can quaff potions from directly
12:48 <AntiGulp> That could be really nice. Cutting down on the tedium of lategame inventory management would be fantastic.
12:48 <rld> <@Luxidream> to be honest, I don't see the purpose of reducing inventory slots except frustrating the player and forcing them to move back  and forth between large boxes
12:49 <ais523> @Luxidream: it's mostly to allow different simplifications to the interface that come from not needing separate commands for inventory access and equipment access
12:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:204387
12:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:204388
12:49 <ais523> I also have a feeling that it's a problem that long-winded stash management is something that many players feel compelled to do
12:49 <aosdict> ais523: As long as you have arbitrary-storage containers, you just frustrate people and, yes, make them tediously drag stuff around to or between stashes.
12:49 <LarienTelrunya> K2: oh you're working on SLASH'EM now? please absolutely implement this: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/90135789125d07207eea18d0bcbd54cfe6855760 - it fixes the dreaded hallucination segfault panic.
12:49 <ais523> the whole thief stone plan (which IIRC is actually in xnethack) is intended to make stashing easier
12:50 <LarienTelrunya> The error in question can corrupt the player's savegame beyond repair because of a bug in SLASH'EM's hallucination implementation, and this commit fixes it.
12:50 <aosdict> I think that it would exacerbate the required stash management problem, not help solve it.
12:50 <K2> LarienTelrunya I'll have a look
12:50 <K2> thanks
12:51 <LarienTelrunya> K2: for clarification: the bug happens when the hallucinated appearance of an item is a container that contains a timed object. The container is deleted, but not the timed object inside, so the timer points to a dereferenced object and causes a crash that cannot be recovered.
12:51 <LarienTelrunya> And the bug can be reproduced in regular SLASH'EM by hallucinating while having a bunch of tools in open inventory, opening the inventory repeatedly and then trying to save or get off the level.
12:52 <rld> <@Luxidream> it's less of a problem in variants with magic chests
12:52 <LarienTelrunya> Found it via curses-slex because the inventory is permanently shown and updates every turn there, causing the bug to happen much more often.
12:52 <rld> <@Luxidream> but in most games, it's simply a waste to let useful items lie on the floor
12:52 <aosdict> and even dangerous!
12:53 <rld> <@Luxidream> and creating a stash forces players to run back to it to grab more items, stash new items, etc
12:53 <rld> <@Luxidream> hence tedium
12:54 <PeterQ> there's the slex way: just let the player carry everything and the kitchen sink
12:54 <PeterQ> (except corpses)
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12:54 <ais523> well, the whole point of a thief stone is that it lets you stash things remotely
12:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:204641
12:54 <aosdict> ais523: feedback on thiefstones has revealed that it is really very luck of the draw. even a minetown one is sometimes no good, because it's off the main branch and harder to reach
12:54 <aosdict> of course, you can wish for one to force it to go on a certain level (and I have...)
12:55 <ais523> hmm, perhaps there should be a guaranteed thiefstone somewhere
12:55 <aosdict> but that uses a wish; most players have more valuable ones
12:55 <ais523> in addition to the chance of random ones
12:55 <rld> <@Luxidream> invoke them to set a target square?
12:55 <ais523> that seems out of flavour, maybe you have to dip them into a potion of amnesia or the like
12:55 <ais523> (so they forget where their stash is and create a new one)
12:55 <aosdict> so you want to add potions of amnesia? :D
12:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:204681
12:56 <ais523> is it a scroll at the moment?
12:56 <winny> why not wield thief stone and read scroll of amnesia
12:56 <aosdict> Resetting the xyz target of a thiefstone is very easy as I have implemented them.
12:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:204725
12:56 <winny> you might even forget what you're wielding
12:56 <winny> :)
12:57 <ais523> perhaps putting a thiefstone into a container should be enough to reset its target
12:57 <ais523> that makes some sense, at least
12:57 <LarienTelrunya> EPI: on a Friday the 13th, many bad things that have only a certain chance of happening will happen more often. For example, mind flayers will more often get past the player's helmet, grease wears off more often etc.
12:57 <aosdict> I was going to say "doesn't this make multiple thiefstones obsolete?", but a) that is true for several other items, b) you might want to send items to two different places
12:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:204828
12:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priest, on T:204854
12:59 <rld> <@Luxidream> magic chests are great
12:59 <ais523> LarienTelrunya: shouldn't those just be negative-Luck effects?
12:59 <rld> <@Luxidream> just put magic chests in xnh :p
12:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:204889
12:59 <LarienTelrunya> ais523: well in the regular game those results are unaffected by luck
13:00 <ais523> @Luxidream: magic chests can't be moved, can they? so they effectively cause a lot of back-and-forth stashing, just like in vanilla
13:00 <LarienTelrunya> there's a flat 80% chance that the helmet prevents a mind flayer sucking attack regardless of anything, it's time to hijack that in slex :D
13:00 <ais523> their only benefit is that they make moving a stash easier (something that thief stones are also capable of)
13:00 <rld> <@Luxidream> they are in a lot of good places though
13:00 <rld> <@Luxidream> like soko, castle, minetown
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13:01 <LarienTelrunya> also, I'll make it so that the player's silver items can corrode on a Friday the 13th :D
13:02 <PeterQ> ais523: They can be moved in dnethack, but they are heavy (put you at least at burdened), and can't be used while not on the ground
13:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 41558710 points, T:204956, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/nh361/dumplog/1536417040.nh361.txt
13:03 <K2> hey hey congrats elron
13:03 <K2> alrightly... our slashem build now has a working xlogfile
13:03 <K2> hah
13:03 <AntiGulp> Wow, was that an extinctionist run?
13:04 <PeterQ> 255 species genocided.
13:04 <PeterQ> 38 species extinct.
13:04 <AntiGulp> whew
13:04 <K2> wow
13:04 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: Silver really ought to be corrodeable anyway.
13:04 <K2> 41m points hah
13:04 <rld> <@Luxidream> sounds like a lot of work
13:05 <ais523> is that a high score? I forget what sort of score farming options there are in 3.6+
13:05 <aosdict> I'm a little tired of it being the holy pure material that is immune to everything and can do no wrong
13:05 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: xnethack does stuff to materials, right? does it make silver corrodable?
13:05 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/nh361-scores/
13:05 <ais523> in real life silver's immune to most acids, but tarnishes when exposed to sulphur
13:05 <ais523> copper/silver/gold are all very acid-resistant, it's one of their most notable properties
13:06 <ais523> however, you'd expect silver weapons to be less durable than, say, steel weapons
13:06 <ais523> that's the reason why they're rarely used in real life
13:06 <ais523> perhaps silver ammo should always mulch, for example
13:07 <PeterQ> @Luxidream: Most of the "work" for extinction is standing somewhere safe and casting "create monster"
13:07 <rld> <@Luxidream> yes, I've done it before
13:07 <rld> <@Luxidream> it is a lot of work
13:08 <rld> <@Luxidream> ais523: where did the idea for a "silver saber" come from in nethack?
13:08 <PeterQ> You can probably automate it if MFs are genocided
13:08 <aosdict> ais523: Yet nethack copper corrodes.
13:08 <ais523> @Luxidream: don't know, it was before I joined the devteam
13:08 <rld> <@Luxidream> as far as I know nothing like that really exists in dnd, or in real life for that matter
13:08 <ais523> although it likely dates from a time when there were lots of special-case items rather than orthogonality
13:08 <ais523> (as an example, lizard corpses were added to NetHack before lizards were)
13:08 <ais523> (and possibly before corpses were, too)
13:09 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/slashem/xlogfile
13:09 <K2> ^ bhaak
13:10 <aosdict> ais523: Some object material implementations (dnh) have it flavored as a silvered or gilded item.
13:10 <aosdict> But that messes up price and weight comparisons, not to mention AC.
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13:12 <rld> <@Luxidream> oh, I didn't know that. makes sense
13:13 <rld> <@Luxidream> weren't cockatrices instant death then?
13:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 4064 points, T:2377, killed by an owlbear
13:14 <rld> <@Luxidream> no, that's actually way farther back than that
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13:33 <K2> [Demo] because unnethack does
13:38 <LarienTelrunya> oh is [Demo] invisible again?
13:38 * LarienTelrunya zaps a wand of make visible at [Demo]!
13:38 <LarienTelrunya> (that means if [Demo] said something, I cannot see it)
13:49 <AntiGulp> Slash’em techniques working in splice, now I just have to figure out what to do with all the leftover code for roles it doesn’t have. hmm
13:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4226
13:53 <K2> LarienTelrunya I patched in your hallu fix for slash'em
13:53 <LarienTelrunya> K2: great! that's one less savegame corruption horror in the world :)
13:54 <LarienTelrunya> AntiGulp: add those roles *bundlebundlebundle* ♥
13:54 <LarienTelrunya> maybe I'll also make a cartomancer for slex, but I don't really know how the splice one works...
13:54 <AntiGulp> LarienTelrunya: It’s very tempting…
13:54 <K2> noooo dont do it :P
13:54 <rld> <@Demo> Oh neat, slashem techniques
13:54 <AntiGulp> Splice Cartomancer is being overhauled right now, it’s going to be lit
13:54 <AntiGulp> And by lit I mean playable
13:54 <rld> <@Demo> slex likes to take roles before they are finished
13:55 <rld> <@Demo> and everything else
13:55 <rld> <@Demo> so it's great
14:12 <rld> <@rikersan> iirc the slex binder quest is still super buggy too, cuz it's based off the dnh binder quest but with like only the enemies not the levels?
14:13 <rld> <@Demo> its based off of the filler quest
14:13 <rld> <@Demo> so barb quest
14:13 <rld> <@rikersan> ah
14:13 <rld> <@rikersan> but it's still got acererak
14:13 <rld> <@Demo> like amy literally pulled it out mid development
14:14 <rld> <@Demo> i have really no idea what happened but i know its bad
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14:35 <K2> looks like slash'em already had the time distorted while sinking in lava fix
14:35 <K2> neat
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14:35 <[Demo]>  hi
14:36 <[Demo]>  ok rld sees me... ?
14:36 <K2> !who
14:36 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] Demo [dyn] FlamingZelda [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh362]
14:36 <K2> hi
14:36 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
14:36 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: I see you too :)
14:37 <aosdict> put away those fire arrows, Link!
14:37 <K2> [Demo] it looks like there's aspace prepended before everything you type
14:37 <[Demo]>  thanks
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14:38 <K2> LarienTelrunya: slash'em has iron bars correct?
14:38 <LarienTelrunya> K2: I thought vanilla has them too :D but yeah, they e.g. occur in some sokoban levels
14:39 <K2> just making sure
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14:39 <[Demo]> Command sent by Demo
14:39 <[Demo]> !tea
14:39 * Beholder delivers [Demo] a cup of white tea, replicated by Rodney at 18 degrees Celsius.
14:39 <K2> applying some patches that were applied to NAO 
14:40 <[Demo]> uhh ok i think shit should be less of a shitshow?
14:40 <K2> heh
14:40 <aosdict> Random thought: NetHack is almost exactly as old as The Legend of Zelda (american release).
14:40 <aosdict> They both came out in July 1987.
14:40 <K2> neat
14:40 <K2> zelda was fun
14:41 <K2> one of the very few nitendo console games i played
14:41 <K2> nintendo
14:43 <AntiGulp> I’m digging through source and fun fact, in slash’em Rodney can summon vampire mages. That seems balanced…
14:45 <[Demo]> oh god new bot butchers the shit out of your ' in slash'em what even why is this so dumb
14:45 <[Demo]> " I’m digging through source and fun fact, in slash’em" also wow, in dnh rodney can summon a segfault so thats pretty balanced too
14:46 <aosdict> The Wizard of Yendor casts a spell! "If I can't have the Amulet, nobody can!" Suddenly, the dungeon collapses.
14:47 <rld> <@rikersan> demo I don't know if that's the quote but on my discord you're messages have a bit of unicode garbage
14:47 <rld> <@rikersan> > " I’m
14:47 <[Demo]> Yeah i was showing how shit it got
14:48 <[Demo]> anyway in dnh if rodney monster harassment summon doesn't have room to create a monster on the level it crashes
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15:03 <LarienTelrunya> AntiGulp: in SLASH'EM spellcasters generally love to summon more spellcasters :D
15:06 <bhaak> K2: oh, you might want to change the SEP in your slashem build to <TAB>
15:06 <bhaak> K2: now it's : but the new standard seems to become the tabulator
15:08 <bhaak> I did that patch a long time before 3.5 got leaked :)
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15:11 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: Does slex implement food allergies? "This food ration is delicious! Unfortunately, it contained peanuts. You choke to death..."
15:11 <aosdict> "killed by anaphylaxis"
15:12 <LarienTelrunya> heh, would there be a way to find out about the allergens in advance?
15:12 <aosdict> not necessarily
15:12 <aosdict> it's slex I assume that isn't required
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15:17 <LarienTelrunya> heh, well, anyway allergies aren't in slex
15:32 <K2> LarienTelrunya: you have a link to that commit? the TAB bit in xlogfile
15:32 <LarienTelrunya> K2: uhh sorry, not right now, but I guess I could dig it up
15:33 <LarienTelrunya> which file would that be? topten.c?
15:33 <K2> i found it
15:34 <LarienTelrunya> wow that was fast, I was digging through the history for topten.c without finding it
15:34 <K2> hmm i think i did
15:36 <K2> no i didnt
15:36 <K2> hmm
15:37 <K2> what would you have called that commit?
15:37 <K2> xlogfile isnt in the commit name
15:39 <K2> hmm i see it in topten.c
15:42 <LarienTelrunya> I'll look for it; the first xlogfile commit made the separator the : glyph
15:42 <K2> honestly not too concerned
15:42 <K2> most 343 based variants use : as the seperator anyways
15:44 <LarienTelrunya> https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/e47ff33a0cd2aa85f19ab7105dbd025773aa4037#diff-c2516d8f7b31bd56b91d3b2e7ce6e36e apparently
15:44 <K2> ok yard work time
15:44 <K2> ah!
15:44 <LarienTelrunya> #define XLOG_SEP "\t"
15:45 <K2> yeah
15:45 <K2> and you added it to an entirely different commit
15:45 <K2> why i couldnt find it heh
15:46 <K2> ok yard work time for real
15:46 <K2> thanks LarienTelrunya
15:46 <LarienTelrunya> np :)
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16:20 <PeterQ> You force your vibroblade (0:87) into a crack and pry.  Your vibroblade (0:87) broke!
16:20 <PeterQ> So much for future tech
16:22 <aosdict> that second pline should probably not use... whatever oname function it's using.
16:23 <rld> <@Demo> Yeah but dnh has bigger issues so who cares, right?
16:24 <aosdict> the wonders of software are such that you can put an issue on a list to do for later
16:25 <rld> <@Demo> dnh has an endless minor to do list that will never ever be reached
16:25 <rld> <@Demo> because of the way chris prioritizes things
16:26 <LarienTelrunya> slex also has a huge to do list but at least I have 20 commits ready right now :D unfortunately it's a savebreak though
16:27 <aosdict> @Demo clearly he needs some prioritization mechanism that weights stuff more heavily the longer it's been around
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16:39 <LarienTelrunya> !tell K2 the slex master branch is a savebreak branch now; if I have to do hotfixes, they'll be in the slex-2.3.2 compatibility branch. For now, the master branch isn't really ready for the server since I'll break saves again soon; I'll message you when it's ready :)
16:39 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
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16:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 4924 points, T:4957, killed by a soldier ant
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17:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Pri Hum Fem Law), 378 points, T:1765, killed by a giant bat
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17:39 <aosdict> !rng blueberry muffins | apple cobbler | pumpkin pie
17:39 <Beholder> aosdict: blueberry muffins
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18:00 <tenbeers> Blarghh! I died of hunger after fighting my way through a mountain of bodies, probably the most I've ever had to kill in an Orc minetown
18:00 <Beholder> tenbeers: Message from aosdict at 2018-09-16 08:42 EDT: I think the only way of hitting with an aklys in one keystroke would be an autohit option, but every time I've seen that come up it's been rejected on making the game too DCSS like for some reason.
18:00 <tenbeers> !tell aosdict thanks, makes sense / good point!
18:00 <Beholder> Will do, tenbeers!
18:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 8921 points, T:7343, killed by an orc-captain, while fainted from lack of food
18:06 <aosdict> tenbeers: FWIW, *I* don't understand what's wrong with importing a DCSS feature if it's a pure QoL improvement.
18:06 <Beholder> aosdict: Message from tenbeers at 2018-09-16 18:00 EDT: thanks, makes sense / good point!
18:15 <rld> <@Tone> tenbeers: should have eaten some orcs 😄
18:18 <aosdict> one orc, and ten beers to wash it down
18:20 <aosdict> one of those fridge-logicky things about nethack is: if the hero is choking down chunks of meat and other monster remains, what on earth are they drinking along with it?
18:21 <rld> <@Demo> blood
18:26 <rld> <@Tone> Not water because that is scarce
18:32 <aosdict> maybe the hero carries around an inexhaustible, non-stomach-filling, weightless canteen of water
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19:02 <aosdict> For a quick reference, are there any places in the vanilla code that are notorious for being a tangled nest of ternary operators?
19:07 <rld> <@Demo> ternary operators are fun!
19:07 <rld> <@Demo> and idk
19:08 <tenbeers> believe me, I was eating what i could. The problem was when they were all attacking I didn't have time to eat and stay alive, then by the time the onslaught was over I had only the last two dead to eat safely.
19:10 <tenbeers> As of that point I was fine. But a couple minutes later I tried to convert the unaligned altar in the town's deserted temple and that was when hunger caught up with me after only two sacrifices. By then there was nothing I could find to slay and eat in time! My bad ultimately.
19:11 <aosdict> tenbeers: no prayer available?
19:11 <aosdict> if you were sacrificing...
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19:30 <tenbeers> I think my failure to convert the altar may have been why Susanowo was displeased with me -- didn't fill my stomach when weak.
19:31 <rld> <@Demo> challenge her to a dual
19:31 <rld> <@Demo> gods can fall too
19:31 <tenbeers> ^ a dual what ;)
19:31 <rld> <@Demo> when u duel her twice as hard as she duels u so its a dual
19:31 <tenbeers> perfect!
19:35 <aosdict> the climax of star wars episode III is a dual duel
19:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:13161
19:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Tha Ang Mal Law), 54332 points, T:14357, killed by a monster (troll mummy), while fumbling
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19:55 <aosdict> regenerative mummies. just what the world needs
20:05 <PavelB> I don't even remember what episode 3 was about
20:06 <aosdict> it produced some of the best prequel jokes
20:21 <rld> <@rikersan> pavel that's odd cuz I know 5 people who play dirty bomb and all but 1 (i.e. you) are huge star wars fans
20:21 <rld> <@rikersan> I just kinda assumed those fandoms overlapped a good bit, maybe it's just a small sample size
20:22 <PavelB> A) Those fandoms have nothing to do with each other
20:22 <PavelB> B) I do like star wars. Just not the prequels.
20:23 <rld> <@rikersan> heathen
20:27 <bouquet> aosdict: in your ad hoc survey of nethack IRC communities I hope you took into account that I only play female characters for the egg laying opportunity.
20:29 <aosdict> you were one of the people I had no idea about
20:30 <aosdict> so was PavelB for that matter
20:30 <PavelB> ?
20:31 <bouquet> I backscrolled and caught a very interesting conversation.
20:35 <aosdict> PavelB: irl gender
20:35 <PavelB> Male
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21:11 <bouquet> this has to be a lower occurance than a dlvl1 /oWishing... two drums on dlvl 1! 
21:13 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean I think I'd rather have the wishing wand but I'm happy for you
21:15 <aosdict> are they the same type of drum, or different?
21:20 <aosdict> anyway, WoW chance = 4% * 5/1000 = 1/5000. 2 independent objects being drums = (8% * 6/1000)^2 = 9/39062500.
21:23 <Tangles_> 'morning
21:24 <Tangles_> Interesting backscroll last night :)
21:24 <K2> heya
21:24 <Beholder> K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-09-16 16:39 EDT: the slex master branch is a savebreak branch now; if I have to do hotfixes, they'll be in the slex-2.3.2 compatibility branch. For now, the master branch isn't really ready for the server since I'll break saves again soon; I'll message you when it's ready :)
21:24 <Tangles_> bhaak: love the dickpics repo.  Where can I get one? Looks like it would be awesome to play with!
21:25 <K2> ... LOL
21:25 <Tangles_> ....and that is all I'm saying about that.
21:25 <K2> good thing i just set my drink down
21:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] bouquet (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 684 points, T:1758, killed by a gnome mummy, while helpless
21:28 <bouquet> rikersan: same for game purposes, but I was treating them as a snare a bass.  Unfortunately, a nymph stole them and now I'm a mummy.
21:31 <Tangles_> K2: Got your invite for the slashem repo. This is exciting :)
21:31 <K2> sweet
21:31 <K2> i have made some patches already
21:32 <K2> select b from the main menu (hdf-us only for now)
21:32 <K2> working on dumplogs now
21:33 <PavelB> slashem hdf?
21:33 <K2> yup
21:33 <K2> its gonna happen
21:33 <PavelB> Nice
21:34 <K2> xlogfile is already in place (thanks to bhaak), if i can get dumplogs working, it's viable for inclusion back into junethack
21:34 <PavelB> Is there going to be curses?
21:35 <Tangles_> bouquet: Sorry I have not had time to look at your crash.  Unfortunately the perm_invent feature in curses has exposed a few dormant bugs in the vanilla codebase... I suspect this is more of the same. Hopefully I'll get a chance to have a quick look at the coredump tonight, and it'll be something obvious.
21:35 <bouquet> Tangles_: I appreciate any effort your put into it.
21:36 <Tangles_> of course it could also just be curses bug.. there's still plenty of those.
21:37 <bouquet> I'm fairly certain it's to do with the perm-inventory part.
21:37 <K2> hmm... it looks as if the dump patch was already added to this repo before i forked it
21:37 <K2> but it was not defined in include/config.h
21:38 <K2> well then... lets add it to config.h recompile and see what happens
21:40 <rld> <@Demo> yeyyyyy slashem hdf!
21:41 <aosdict> Tangles_: The crash came from display.c code that was called (indirectly iirc) from curses_update_inventory.
21:42 <aosdict> u.ustuck was somehow an invalid pointer I think.
21:42 <K2> compiled fine...
21:43 <aosdict> did Misty get back to you?
21:43 <K2> no
21:43 <K2> doh it *almost* works
21:44 <K2> the dump patch included doesnt recognize %N
21:46 <K2> maybe i need to start a new game and not try an existing
21:47 <K2> hrm
21:47 <K2> Can't open /dgldir/userdata/%N/k2/slashem/dumplog/%t.slashem.txt for output.
21:47 <PavelB> Did someone write their own sprintf?
21:47 <K2> oh wait
21:48 <K2> so i need to swap %t with %d
21:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2708 points, T:2427, killed by a death ray
21:49 <K2> i remember having same issue with slex when we first started hosting it
21:50 <K2> hrm
21:51 <aosdict> PavelB: nethack defines its own sprintf, which is Sprintf.
21:51 <PavelB> but y tho
21:53 <aosdict> well the only cases where it is used are #define Sprintf (void) sprintf, which I assume is to please compilers that are like "WAH WAH NOT USING THE VALUE OF A FUNCTION RETURNING NON VOID"
21:54 <aosdict> code can get *weird* when you try to support every compiler and system under the sun.
21:55 <PavelB> So it *should* function identially to libc's sprintf
21:55 <PavelB> *identically
21:56 <aosdict> yes. 
21:56 <aosdict> and if you are using gcc you can just use sprintf and that will work fine
21:57 <aosdict> but since it's the same amout of characters, why not just use Sprintf
22:00 <PavelB> Same amount of characters, but one more keystroke. Anyway, K2 was mentioning that there was some format specifier that wasn't working, so there's a different format system somewhere, right?
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22:01 <K2> slashem is using an older version of the dump patch
22:01 <aosdict> PavelB: nethack dumplog format specifiers have nothing to do with libc string ones
22:01 <PavelB> Ah
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22:26 <Tangles_> K2: Adding support for %N is not too hard.  There's a function in some weird place that does all those format conversions (maybe end.c?)... it's called something like dump_format_str().  There's a big switch statement, you just need to add case 'N': and make it return plname[0]
22:26 <K2> thanks
22:27 <K2> i am upgrading the current dump patch now
22:27 <K2> the one NAO uses is different though
22:27 <K2> and i cant find a commit for it
22:27 <K2> it was part of NAO from the very beginning
22:27 <K2> maybe it came from unnethack
22:27 <Tangles_> nothing on bilious?
22:28 <K2> the one on bilious is what slashem has already, albiet older
22:28 <Tangles_> ok
22:28 <K2> using bilious version to upgrade the one in slashem
22:28 <K2> i am noticing some differences that may get us up and going
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22:43 <PavelB> I never knew SLEM was still worked on somewhat
22:45 <aosdict> PavelB: SLASHTHEM? It's not.
22:45 <PavelB> No, Slash'Em.
22:47 <PavelB> ...nevermind, I realized there are two commits from 2017 that don't really do anything and the previous ones are from 2007
22:48 <aosdict> SLEM is a really weird way to acronymify it
22:48 <PavelB> How are you supposed to do it
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22:49 <aosdict> SLASH'EM (cause it's already an acronym)
22:57 <MiseryMyra> S. L. A. S. H. E. M.
23:01 <aosdict> S*L*A*S*H*E*M
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23:29 <PavelB> I was trying to abbreviate it
23:29 <PavelB> Not acronymify it
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23:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 539 points, T:1617, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze
23:49 <tenbeers> duhh.
23:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] tenbeers (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 244 points, T:926, killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper, while sleeping off a magical draught