00:13 <oh6> wow, CJMDOUV that aren't due to compiler optimizations
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01:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:55475
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02:12 <LarienTelrunya> !tell aosdict dude, if you have monster ideas then please tell them to *me*! I'm always happy to add more monsters to slex :D
02:12 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
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03:09 <LarienTelrunya> blah that was actually "Eärendil" (and it displayed as that in-game :P)
03:09 <LarienTelrunya> !lastgame BSOD2
03:09 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/BSOD2/slex/dumplog/1521311590.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/B/BSOD2/xnethack/dumplog/1536822485.xnh.txt
03:10 <LarienTelrunya> !tell aosdict I can put "Eärendil" into xnethack all right, it's just Beholder and the dumplog at https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/B/BSOD2/xnethack/dumplog/1536822485.xnh.txt who aren't showing the "ä" correctly :D
03:10 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
03:11 <bhaak> that's because it's latin1 encoded in the dumplog
03:11 <bhaak> not utf-8
03:20 <bug_sniper> evil patch idea: distortion vortices in astral plane that may send you all the way back to the abyss or gehenna
03:21 <bug_sniper> perhaps a portal back can be generated somewhere
03:23 <bhaak> for vanilla variants that's not easily doable. when you enter the planes, the whole dungeons of dooms is discarded
03:24 <LarienTelrunya> well it would probably be easy to hijack the line that discards the dungeon levels and just make it not do that :D
03:27 <bug_sniper> yani: at each plane, you get to choose the next plane out of a selection of multiple available portals
03:29 <LarienTelrunya> EPI: some portals on the plane are death portals, which take you to an arena with multiple Demogorgons, elder priests and other overpowered monsters and no way back. If you somehow manage to kill the monsters, they respawn much stronger than before, endlessly, until you finally die.
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03:30 <bug_sniper> so that we can implement 8 with hybrid planes, 12 with you picking a positive, neutral, and negative plane out of any element, or all 27 elemental planes may be made available
03:30 <LarienTelrunya> IIRC someone (ais523?) suggested a disintegration plane once, where you are disintegrated every turn unless you're resistant :D
03:31 <bug_sniper> nah, merely encountering the bastard operator makes his level already a death level
03:31 <LarienTelrunya> why? he's not that bad, at least the one in the mainframe
03:31 <bug_sniper> until he attacks
03:32 <LarienTelrunya> the mainframe one isn't the one who has data delete
03:32 <LarienTelrunya> maybe he should have data delete in evilvariant mode though? :P
03:32 <bug_sniper> it's very thematical for him to have it
03:33 <LarienTelrunya> yeah
03:33 <bhaak> Re: the crashes from last night. I had problems reproducing it locally, until I noticed that I saved and restarted the game. it crashes now if I open the inventory twice upon loading the save
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03:34 <LarienTelrunya> bhaak: oh? so you also have glibc locally?
03:35 <LarienTelrunya> or maybe it's not actually glibc but a subroutine of it that is throwing the "invalid next size" errors?
03:35 <bhaak> I've compiled it with -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 and -fstack-protector-strong. I'll try again with -fstack-protector-all
03:36 <bhaak> I think, the fortify should be the reason why it's crashing on the free. depending on distro, it's default or not
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03:51 <FIQ> [Demo]1: I am fairly sure there are others who know how to use valgrind
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04:46 <PeterQ> !tell LarienTelrunya According to valgrind there are (at least) 2 bugs. The first one is here: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/blob/c25be92f9a5754e7555e38b2f27d471bd9a1752a/win/tty/wintty.c#L3087
04:46 <Beholder> Will do, PeterQ!
04:47 <PeterQ> !tell LarienTelrunya: ttyDisplay->cols is initially 0, so the if is always entered the first time. The "curr->str[ttyDisplay->cols-2] = 0" obviously writes outside the array then
04:47 <Beholder> Will do, PeterQ!
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05:08 <PeterQ> !tell LarienTelrunya The second bug is a few lines above: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/blob/c25be92f9a5754e7555e38b2f27d471bd9a1752a/win/tty/wintty.c#L3078. The code relies on "len" being equal to the length of the string, but it len is changed in this if-statement (while the string stays the same). Commenting out the whole if-statement at 3078 fixes the crash, but I don't know which other side effects 
05:08 <Beholder> Will do, PeterQ!
05:08 <PeterQ> this may cause
05:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] brandywine (Hea Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:22076
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06:08 <bhaak> that's code that's essentially unchanged since 1996
06:13 <FIQ> old code doesn't mean bad code
06:13 <FIQ> well, perhaps in NetHack's case it does
06:14 <bhaak> even in NetHack, you don't find a bug that's 21 years old
06:15 <bhaak> *often
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06:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ord Bas Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, zapped himself with a wand
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06:44 <PeterQ> bhaak: I doubt that, since some of the code is different in the 3.4.3 files
06:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ord Bas Mal Law), 1965 points, T:1989, killed by a crossbow bolt
06:49 <PeterQ> And the bug only occurs with very specific terminal sizes, which most players do not play on
06:50 <PeterQ> I actually stumbled across the bug a few weeks ago when playing dnh already, but I thought it was just a buggy cloak which crashed my game when worn, and sold it
06:51 <bhaak> depends on your definition of "essentially"
06:52 <bhaak> anyway, I can't reproduce ttyDisplay->cols being 0.
06:52 <bhaak> localle
06:52 <bhaak> locally
06:53 <PeterQ> https://github.com/freddyb/nethack-3.4.3-js/blob/master/win/tty/wintty.c#L2111
06:53 <PeterQ> https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/blob/c25be92f9a5754e7555e38b2f27d471bd9a1752a/win/tty/wintty.c#L3078
06:53 <PeterQ> Exactly the one if statement that changes len, without which the code does not crash, is missing
06:54 <PeterQ> That's a very essential change imo
06:56 <PeterQ> (Though I'm not sure that it is actually the cause or just >a< cause)
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07:06 <PeterQ> bhaak: regarding the ttyDisplay->cols=0, I might have been looking at a different variable, I can't reproduce it any more either
07:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ord Bas Mal Law), 12000 points, T:1, escaped
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07:15 <PeterQ> !tell LarienTelrunya: Disregard what I said about the first bug, seems like I have been looking at a different variable and ttyDisplay->cols is never actually 0
07:15 <Beholder> Will do, PeterQ!
07:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ord Bas Mal Law), 0 points, T:14, killed by a poisonous pill
07:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ord Bas Mal Law), 873 points, T:906, killed by a monster (dark female android), while dreaming of lovely girls
07:28 <bhaak> I'm slightly shocked how the memory can become so corrupted, that it crashes DURING the allocation process
07:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ord Bas Mal Law), 20000 points, T:1, escaped
07:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ord Bas Mal Law), 0 points, T:20, crushed underneath the backpack's load
07:29 <PeterQ> bhaak: are you referring to the "copy_of" error?
07:29 <FIQ> it is slex
07:29 <FIQ> don't ask
07:30 <PeterQ> it's not just slex though
07:31 <bhaak> PeterQ: http://termbin.com/i7iu this one. 
07:31 <bhaak> that's crashing on 'cw->morestr = morestr = (char*) alloc((unsigned) QBUFSZ);'
07:31 <rld> <@kritixilithos> LarienTelrunya: if you want monster ideas, how about the Globglogabgalag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLljd8pfiFg, if slex has libraries, then it can the globglogabgalag can be the librarian in one, and it can have a ability which consumes any dropped books, and while in combat with the player, the globglogabgalag engulfs the player and consumes all the player's books, it would be a named yeast-like creature
07:31 <rld> (if yeast exists in slex)
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07:34 <bhaak> and I can reliable reproduce that crash. start a new game in a terminal with 106 columns, name the tourist's shirt with the long string from the backlog, open inventory -> crash
07:35 <bhaak> another crash happens when you save and load the game after naming the shirt. then it crashes somewhere on free() but only after opening the inventory _twice_.
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07:36 <bhaak> that might even be a different bug as it looks like free is called on a string not having been alloced by alloc
07:36 <kritixilithos> !tell LarienTelrunya ^^^^
07:36 <Beholder> Will do, kritixilithos!
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07:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ord Bas Mal Law), 16000 points, T:1, escaped
07:39 <PeterQ> bhaak: Does the second crash occur if you comment out this "if": https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/blob/master/win/tty/wintty.c#L2455
07:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 4589 points, T:2454, killed by a lizard
07:50 <bhaak> no
07:50 <bhaak> also not the first
07:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 192 points, T:183, killed by a sewer rat
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07:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ord Alc Mal Law), 2618 points, T:2715, quit
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08:10 <bhaak> it's certainly weird. the string is 103 characters according to strlen, so 104 chars including the \0? QBUFSZ is 128, there's plenty of space
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08:35 <PeterQ> bhaak: Did you take a look at valgrind's output when triggering the error?
08:35 <bhaak> not yet
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09:20 <[Demo]1> so the cause still has not been determined?
09:23 <PeterQ> Depends. If you comment out this if statement, it does not occur: https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/blob/master/win/tty/wintty.c#L2455
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09:24 <PeterQ> I have no idea why it occurs in dnh though, because there this statement is missing, and I can't compile it locally either to test
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09:46 <[Demo]1> should be as easy as make install for dnh?
09:46 <Tangles> PeterQ / [Demo]1 are you able to reproduce with menuglyphs disabled?
09:47 <[Demo]1> yes
09:47 <[Demo]1> Haven't tried with it enabled
09:47 <Tangles> ok
09:48 <[Demo]1> it's septembernethack, a cross variant bug fixing shitshow
09:49 <PeterQ> What's menu glyphs? The character showing how the item would look on the floor?
09:49 <Tangles> yeah
09:50 <PeterQ> I didn't change that setting, slex and dnh have it disabled by default, grunt has it enabled I think, all of them are crashable
09:51 <Tangles> Yeah I think it's only part of the issue.  I just wondered because I don't think 3.4.3-hdf has the feature and I think I read earlier that it was not crashable.
09:54 <[Demo]1> 3.6.x doesn't crash either
09:54 <Tangles> I'm fairly sure that the issue is the way the menu code truncates the string to fit if it's too long... it checks the length of the string, adds a bit for padding, a bit more for the accelerator (pick-letter), a bit more for the menuglyph if it's enabled, then it checks if all that is too long to fit, and it writes a zero into the string (just the string part), a couple of characters short of the 
09:54 <Tangles> total width of the window, which may be longer than the string anyway.
09:55 <rld> <@rikersan> demo: by the way, this is similar to how that dnh sear crash works now
09:55 <PeterQ> Yes, exactly. And I'm not sure the truncating code is even necessary, because even with it commented out, the inventory displays fine
09:55 <rld> <@rikersan> it's got the same weird adding character thing
09:56 <Tangles> PeterQ: does it still crash with the code commented out?
09:56 <PeterQ> No
09:56 <Tangles> hmm
09:57 <PeterQ> Actually, not the truncating statement, but the statement adjusting "len"
09:57 <PeterQ> Here: https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/blob/master/win/tty/wintty.c#L2455
09:57 <PeterQ> But you commenting out either of them prevents the crash
09:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 6591 points, T:13620, killed by a fire ant
10:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] borky (ebx) (Rog Orc Mal Law), 26499 points, T:1243, killed by a magic missile
10:03 <PeterQ> [Demo]1: Actually, the makefile is all kinds of broken, I already fixed a few errors but it still does not work
10:03 <[Demo]1> yes it is fucked up but if you just use the regular one and make install you can run dnethack but only if your PATH is dnethackdir
10:03 <Tangles> bugs in the makefile? I don't believe that for a second :P
10:03 <[Demo]1> blame kerio
10:10 <[Demo]1> why does bubble moving code suck so much wtf who wrote this
10:10 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
10:12 <[Demo]1> oh cool now both recover and delete game crash the game
10:12 <rld> <@rikersan> yep
10:19 <[Demo]1> also whoever wrote the save code can suck a fat one too
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10:30 <[Demo]1> come to a conclusion that any heisenbug involving either the plane of water unique feature code, or the save code is something that im just gonna have to wait for chris to fix
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10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 465 points, T:1486, killed by a coyote
10:52 <introsp3ctive> [Demo]1: what's notdnethack?
10:53 <[Demo]1> its like dnethack but its notdnethack and it has COOL STUFF https://github.com/demogorgon22/notdnethack/blob/master/changelog.txt [COMING SOON]
10:56 <introsp3ctive> [Demo]1: "Binder Changes: Crowning grants expert with dagger" I like it already.
10:59 <[Demo]1> hoping to have a stable release by december
11:01 <introsp3ctive> Nice. The spearheads idea is really cool
11:02 <PeterQ> "Lokoban: Same final level and prizes as Sokoban but with an easier puzle" Was vanilla sokoban really too hard?
11:02 <[Demo]1> yeah i think chris is talking about doing something similar in dnh now but i dont know if thatll happen cause dnh development is so slow
11:02 <[Demo]1> its not that its hard, its that its boring
11:02 <[Demo]1> lokoban is probably a little bit less boring, the last level is a sokoban tribute level (with explosions) with a few fewer holes so you dont need to give as much of a shit about solving the puzzle well
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11:34 <rld> <@Theyflower> one of the soko final levels is easy for me and the other i always use a guide for
11:34 <rld> <@Theyflower> the one where it's a series of rows is easy
11:34 <rld> <@Theyflower> the other one where it's a clusterfuck sucks
11:36 <[Demo]1> i find the one that isnt rows easier
11:38 <rld> <@Theyflower> both level 1s are nearly the same dn the level 3s play really similarly
11:38 <[Demo]1> yeah in lokoban level 1 is a bunch of gas spores
11:39 <rld> <@Theyflower> o.o
11:39 <[Demo]1> and level 2 is actually really bad and needs revision but its ice, trees, and fire traps
11:39 <rld> <@Theyflower> oh my
11:39 <[Demo]1> and level 3 is a bunch of walls that when you touch they become armed grenades but you have to touch them to get through so you gotta try to dodge the explosions or not care
11:40 <[Demo]1> and level 4 is like sokoban but with fewer holes and when you push in boulders they explode
11:47 <rld> <@Luxidream> so sokoban is just there to kill the player?
11:47 <rld> <@Luxidream> idk if most characters can survive grenade explosions
11:48 <[Demo]1> definitely can
11:48 <[Demo]1> especially if you are fire resistant and poison resistant
11:48 <[Demo]1> even if you aren't I think it's still not very dangerous
11:48 <[Demo]1> also if you have any way to get very fast, jump, or move a couple squares quickly you can dodge it
11:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3474
11:52 <[Demo]1> think I'm gonna take a solution to the sokoban prize issue that no one has before and it's not a great one
11:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pyramidal amulet on an altar, on T:4508
12:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4590
12:01 <Tangles> bhaak: I think the intent was to truncate the string by the amount that 'len' exceeds the terminal columns, to make it all fit. like this - 
12:01 <Tangles> ...and that link did not paste.
12:01 <Tangles> https://github.com/NHTangles/GruntHack/commit/0780683de04bba2f0074b22bb496f0d9eda15387
12:07 <[Demo]1> oh neato
12:08 <PeterQ> Did you try that out?
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12:11 <aosdict> !tell LarienTelrunya I think slex has likely already implemented any new monster I could think of.
12:11 <Beholder> aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-09-13 02:12 EDT: dude, if you have monster ideas then please tell them to *me*! I'm always happy to add more monsters to slex :D
12:11 <Beholder> aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-09-13 03:10 EDT: I can put "Eärendil" into xnethack all right, it's just Beholder and the dumplog at https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/B/BSOD2/xnethack/dumplog/1536822485.xnh.txt who aren't showing the "ä" correctly :D
12:11 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
12:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] brandywine (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class ;), on T:23919
12:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] brandywine (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:24056
12:27 <bhaak> Tangles: oh, I see. yeah, that's possible. magic numbers FTL
12:28 <bhaak> and in that case, it's not a vanilla bug but a bhaak bug
12:37 <[Demo]1> What if sokobans prize was a trophy that on pickup turned into whichever prize you needed more?
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12:40 <Muad> so, like the opposite of how it is now?
12:46 <[Demo]1> Yeah lol
12:47 <[Demo]1> and if you don't need either you get to keep the trophy
12:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 30052 points, T:2167, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food
12:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 13656 points, T:404, killed by a gas spore's explosion
13:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:47641
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13:12 <[Demo]1> ok so i think ive got it working but its ghetto as hell
13:13 <jonadab> [Demo]1: In Fourk it's on level gen, rather than on pickup, but same idea.
13:13 <[Demo]1> i actually found a dumb behavior in dnh
13:14 <[Demo]1> for some reason chris is settin the record_achieve_special field to a copy of a struct right before the relevant function ends so like what???
13:15 <[Demo]1> wonder if other variants with record achieve do the same useless thing
13:15 <jonadab> Is the struct in question a stack variable?
13:16 <[Demo]1> ok yeah it isnt chris's fault, whoever wrote the stupid patch
13:16 <[Demo]1> uh i dont know what that means its just a passed copy of the real object from a function so you cant change any fields on it and have it affect the real one so setting record_achieve_special to 0 is literally doing nothing
13:17 <[Demo]1> it seems grunthack has the same code so i blame.... someone that wrote a general patch
13:17 <[Demo]1> https://github.com/NHTangles/GruntHack/blob/master/src/invent.c#L327
13:17 <jonadab> Wait, is it actually a _copy_ of the object?
13:18 <jonadab> Because most stuff in the NetHack codebase is passed as pointers.
13:18 <jonadab> Not copies.
13:18 <[Demo]1> well when i replaced it with a new object it didnt really do anything
13:18 <jonadab> And yeah, according to line 246, obj is a struct obj *
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13:19 <jonadab> Assigning to obj will not change the object.  That changes the value of the pointer.
13:19 <[Demo]1> ah
13:19 <[Demo]1> ok thanks
13:19 <jonadab> Asssigning to obj->quan or whatever, changes the values of the fields on the object.
13:19 <jonadab> s/sss/ss/;
13:19 <jonadab> Because that -> syntax dereferences the pointer.
13:20 <jonadab> If you want to actually replace the object, you'd have to do some weird chicanery with obj_extract_self and whatnot.
13:21 <[Demo]1> nah i just passed *obj to it and adjusted from there
13:21 <[Demo]1> err &obj
13:21 <[Demo]1> seems to be working
13:22 <jonadab> That sounds like it will cause bugs.
13:22 <jonadab> I could be wrong, but my instincts are blinking red.
13:23 <jonadab> Because the old object is almost certainly pointed to by Various Pointers.
13:24 <[Demo]1> well i have no idea, seems to be running fine to me
13:25 <aosdict> it will be something that only crashes when the object is the first object in a container's linked list, or when it's the first object on the floor linked list, or something.
13:25 <jonadab> Run it under valgrind.
13:25 <[Demo]1> haha you think you can run dnh under valgrind and actually get meaningful output?
13:26 <[Demo]1> you gotta wade through soooooooooooo much other shit thats going down that really shouldnt be because its dnh
13:26 <jonadab> I see.
13:26 <PeterQ> You can make a savegame directly before triggering the code in question, then start dnh with valgrind and that savegame
13:27 <PeterQ> And compare that to the unchanged implementation
13:27 <[Demo]1> id probably get no output, tried that for waterplane crash bug
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13:34 <[Demo]1> valgrind doesnt seem too pissy about it hmm
13:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 35267 points, T:3884, killed by Yeenoghu
13:36 <jonadab> *shrug*
13:36 <jonadab> Maybe it's a special situation.
13:37 <[Demo]1> its more likely i have no idea what im doing and something will probably break
13:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3069 points, T:2188, killed by a water moccasin
14:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:54996
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14:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:55347
14:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 474 points, T:818, killed by a kitten
14:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:48953
14:17 <K2> GruntHack updated (all servers)
14:17 <Beholder> K2: Message from aosdict at 2018-09-12 23:40 EDT: more xnh updates
14:17 <K2> SporkHack updated (all servers)
14:18 <K2> xNetHack updated (all servers)
14:20 <aosdict> thanks K2
14:20 <K2> no prob
14:20 <K2> been in vlan hell all day today
14:20 <aosdict> fear the moldy corpses!
14:21 <K2> fucking aruba switches
14:21 <K2> i saw that, nice
14:21 <K2> how come you didnt add your own 'unknown command' fix for the dumplog?
14:21 <aosdict> because I forgot
14:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:49455
14:22 <K2> ah
14:23 <K2> SpliceHack updated (all servers)
14:23 <K2> ^ SpliceHack added it
14:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:49573
14:24 <aosdict> here you go
14:24 <[Demo]1> vlan hell is worse when youve got vtp going down that u are unaware of and then ur sad and then u die
14:24 <aosdict> K2: xnh updated
14:25 <K2> thx
14:25 <aosdict> also, new splicehack commits to pore over!
14:26 <K2> xNetHack updated (all servers)
14:27 <aosdict> achievement unlocked: get xnh deployed to hardfought twice within 10 minutes
14:27 <K2> rofl
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14:28 <K2> <--- achievemtn unlocked: update 3 variants within a 90 sec timespan
14:28 <K2> *achievement
14:28 <aosdict> jonadab: you may be interested in the new weapon_oname feature in splicehack commit 229db83
14:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:49931
14:28 <K2> <---- achievement unlocked: misspell 'achievement'
14:29 <rld> <@introsp3ctive> Okay i just opened my IRC client and it's telling me my IP is banned and listed on DroneBL. What does this mean and does anyone know how to resolve it?
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14:31 <K2> https://dronebl.org/lookup
14:32 <rld> <@Luxidream> it means you are evil spammer
14:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 177 points, T:537, killed by a boulder
14:33 <aosdict> !tell AntiGulp mask shopkeepers should probably just directly quote "You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?"
14:33 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
14:34 <rld> <@introsp3ctive> K2: http://dronebl.org/lookup?ip=73.85.200.149
14:34 <K2> hmm
14:37 <rld> <@introsp3ctive> No idea what to do in this situation. I've never had this happen before in all my years on IRC.
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14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 84 points, T:217, killed by a fox
14:43 <K2> that drone bot... is it some sort of virus thing?
14:44 <LarienTelrunya> Beholder: how many days until Ragnarok?
14:44 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: Messages from PeterQ, kritixilithos, and aosdict have been forwarded to you privately.
14:48 <aosdict> @introsp3ctive Maybe try signing in with a random nick and asking #freenode for help?
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14:53 <introsp3ctive> Had to log in from my phone. Using a different nick doesn't work.
14:54 <aosdict> or could use one of the web gateways
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15:07 <introsp3ctive> Channel is totally dead lol
15:11 <aosdict> well if you ask for help, someone should give it to you
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15:13 <introsp3ctive> I did. Now I just wait.
15:22 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: well slex may have the monsters you'd suggest, but it might also not; you said you were going to suggest them to either AntiGulp or FlamingGuacamole? is there a list of them somewhere? ;)
15:22 <aosdict> no
15:22 <aosdict> and there will not be
15:23 <LarienTelrunya> aww, why not? are those ideas just an illusion?
15:24 <aosdict> very not concrete
15:25 <rld> <@Theyflower> Does slex render any monsters with same glyph/color?
15:25 <aosdict> pfft hahaha YES
15:25 <aosdict> (so does vanilla)
15:25 <LarienTelrunya> @Theyflower: hahaha is that a joke? with 21k monsters, of course it does
15:26 <rld> <@Theyflower> Maybe you could add Unicode support
15:26 <rld> <@Theyflower> Then unique monsters can be emojis
15:26 * LarienTelrunya adds a monster that uses a bundle emoji ♥
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15:27 <LarienTelrunya> actually I guess I should use 👠 as a monster glyph :P
15:28 <LarienTelrunya> lol the emoji page says: "A high-heeled shoe, primarily worn by women." primarily? so men also wear it sometimes? :D
15:28 <aosdict> the total number of glyphs is 52 + ; + @ + ' + & + space = 57, but slex probably uses more
15:28 <rld> <@Theyflower> 💀 death 🍴 famine 💩 pestilence
15:28 <aosdict> the total number of colours is 17 at most
15:29 <aosdict> 969 glyph/color combinations
15:29 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: actually 51 instead of 52 in non-slex because I is probably unused ;)
15:29 <LarienTelrunya> (slex uses I as a monster glyph because of course it does)
15:30 <LarienTelrunya> total # of monster glyphs in slex according to monsym.h: 70
15:31 <LarienTelrunya> slex adds the following glyphs as monsters: % $ . ° 7 9 ± ¯ § .
15:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 739 points, T:1659, killed by a gnome lord
15:42 <LarienTelrunya> !who
15:42 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] introsp3ctive [dyn] Eleven [nh362] samiam [nh362] vid [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
15:42 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: isn't 1 also a glyph
15:43 <aosdict> turrets or whatever
15:43 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: depending on the terminal emulation and character set, turrets can be shown as that
15:43 <LarienTelrunya> anyway, I absolutely need to get some sleep, so I'll be off for tonight ;)
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15:43 <rld> <@introsp3ctive> See you later, Amy. Have a good one
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:10478
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16:06 <AntiGulp> aosdict: I would absolutely be interested in monster ideas. Heck, I might even implement them today.
16:06 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from aosdict at 2018-09-12 23:23 EDT: I have had some monster ideas kicking around my head for a while, but they're not well suited to xnh because it vaguely conflicts with the goals. If I ever feel like implementing some would you be interested in adding them to splice?
16:06 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from aosdict at 2018-09-13 14:33 EDT: mask shopkeepers should probably just directly quote "You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?"
16:08 * aosdict attempts to dredge up monster ideas from memory
16:09 <aosdict> I know fairies and pixies were two I was thinking about.
16:10 <AntiGulp> I’ve been considering those as well. Pixies exist in SLASH’EM, and are among the most annoying monsters ever conceived
16:10 <aosdict> n-class, tiny, flying, hide under stuff, have some magical attributes (one should probably be lawful/neutral and the other chaotic, and the non-chaotic one shouldn't be M3_HOSTILE)
16:10 <aosdict> Well I have no knowledge of slash'em so hopefully my ideas are untainted by it
16:11 <AntiGulp> Trust me, what you just suggested was FAR nicer! I like the idea of expanding the n class.
16:11 <FlamingGuacamole> anyone know how to activate tnnt mode in hf?
16:11 <aosdict> Sphinx was another, but I think the biodiversity patch already did that.
16:12 <FlamingGuacamole> it did. thinking of that earlier :|
16:12 <AntiGulp> Hello FlamingGuacamole! Welcome!
16:12 <FlamingGuacamole> hey
16:12 <Beholder> Hello FlamingGuacamole, Welcome to #hardfought
16:12 <aosdict> be quiet Beholder
16:12 <AntiGulp> About to run my hastily hacked together perl script to format my tiles files… lets do this
16:12 <FlamingGuacamole> what was that? i joined 10min ago
16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4992 points, T:6248, poisoned by a rotted black naga hatchling corpse, while helpless
16:13 <aosdict> AntiGulp: There is a lot of fairy lore to draw on, maybe they could even one-time heal you like in zelda
16:14 <AntiGulp> Ooooh, I like that. Gotta work in “Hey, listen!” somehow too.
16:14 <aosdict> there is a pixie YANI somewhere on the archive
16:15 <aosdict> ah yes, when you chat to them
16:15 <aosdict> (I know navi is canonically a fairy but it always seemed more like a pixie to me)
16:16 <aosdict> !tell LarienTelrunya want a monster idea? implement the Nac Mac Feegle from discworld
16:16 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
16:16 <AntiGulp> The Nac Mac Feegle… just… yes.
16:17 <aosdict> When you chat to *them*, you get "Crivens!" <-- YANI
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16:19 <AntiGulp> Hey, my perl script worked! I just renumbered all the tiles for splice correctly!
16:20 <FlamingGuacamole> yay
16:22 <AntiGulp> Open question to all, looking for opinions: I’m thinking about adding SLASH’EM techniques (with some balancing) to Splice. Yes or No.
16:24 <rld> <@introsp3ctive> Antigulp: I'd like to see that
16:24 <aosdict> there are a number of problems in the game that could be solved with timing out abilities. However, the difficulty of making the interface work well is large.
16:25 <PeterQ> techniques are pretty cool, but they will either be borderline useless, or require rebalaning everything
16:25 <PeterQ> *rebalancing
16:26 <[Demo]1> techniques are cooL!!!
16:26 <[Demo]1> add them!
16:26 <FlamingGuacamole> AntiGulp: yes. techniques offer a lot more variety in the game, and are useful overall. (However, maybe add places where you can't use techniques?)
16:26 <[Demo]1> add them yee haw add them
16:26 <[Demo]1> ndnh is sort of adding techniques sort of
16:27 <[Demo]1> an equivalent
16:27 <[Demo]1> splice should do it proper
16:28 <AntiGulp> I’ll admit that my “proper” way of adding them was going to be port the slash’em tech code to 3.6 and then work from there. Oh god splice is becoming slash’em
16:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 6076 points, T:4413, killed by a panther
16:28 <aosdict> heh, *I* just ported a slash'em feature to 3.6
16:29 <[Demo]1> what was it?
16:29 <FlamingGuacamole> also, X class should get an expansion, because xorns need friends :)
16:29 <[Demo]1> i love slashem
16:29 <aosdict> [Demo]1: funguses growing on old corpses
16:30 <AntiGulp> Oooh that’s a fun one. Makes the game REAL chaotic later on.
16:30 <AntiGulp> Also xorns DO need friends.
16:32 <aosdict> wait, it makes the game chaotic? How? They're mold!
16:32 <FlamingGuacamole> aosdict: lots of monsters at once
16:33 <FlamingGuacamole> not "chaotic" as an alignment
16:45 <hothraxxa> *cough*zruty*cough*
16:46 <FlamingGuacamole> ?
16:46 <hothraxxa> sorry not addressed to you, that's for aosdict
16:46 <FlamingGuacamole> ohkay
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16:51 <[Demo]1> molds are very very dangerous
16:51 <[Demo]1> it is pretty ok in dnh in slashem its kind of annoying with dumb disgusting and black molds
16:51 <[Demo]1> so it should be pretty ok in xnh
16:52 <[Demo]1> except mold is probably on M now
16:52 <[Demo]1> or m
17:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] FlamingGuacamole (Bin Clk Mal Non), 0 points, T:103, killed by a jackal
17:00 <FlamingGuacamole> stupid corridors
17:00 <FlamingGuacamole> stupid jackals
17:01 <aosdict> hothraxxa: ?
17:01 <hothraxxa> zruty
17:01 <aosdict> what about it. yes it's a meme at this point, but were you making a point?
17:02 <aosdict> how does it relate to the mold thing
17:02 <[Demo]1> oh molds are moved to z?
17:03 <AntiGulp> I think there’s some miscommunication happening here
17:03 <FlamingGuacamole> yes there is
17:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 179351 points, T:26801, quit
17:03 <aosdict> Why does no one ever complain to jonadab about monster letter rearrangement?
17:03 <[Demo]1> because no one even plays his variant cause they die to blood puddings
17:03 <hothraxxa> i play his variant and have never seen a blood pudding
17:04 <[Demo]1> nah they do plenty
17:04 <FlamingGuacamole> [Demo]1: before, we were talking about molds and hothraxxa said "*cough*zruty*cough*"
17:04 <[Demo]1> at least amy complains
17:04 * aosdict reads a scroll labeled 4.3.0.5, The Impossible Dream
17:04 <FlamingGuacamole> anyone know what the best poly form is in slex?
17:04 <aosdict> probably some sort of shoe
17:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1
17:06 <FlamingGuacamole> monster list on nhwiki: with 107 difficulty.... arch-lichen!
17:06 <FlamingGuacamole> also.... arch-newt!
17:09 <FlamingGuacamole> arch-lichen spoiler in rot13: vg unf avar-q-gjryir qnzntr cre nggnpx (nyy gur evqref' nggnpxf), zvahf friragl-rvtug NP, ZE bar uhaqerq, naq fcrrq svsgrra. 
17:10 <[Demo]1> good deal
17:10 <FlamingGuacamole> ikr? only problem is, i have fail 98% on polymorph spell :(
17:10 <FlamingGuacamole> and only 10 pw
17:10 <FlamingGuacamole> and it takes 30
17:10 <FlamingGuacamole> rip
17:11 <[Demo]1> just die instead, thats what i usually do in slex
17:11 <FlamingGuacamole> haha
17:11 <FlamingGuacamole> no
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17:11 <FlamingGuacamole> lol why did i pick a role/race combo with 7 int
17:13 <[Demo]1> doesnt sound very intelligent
17:17 <FlamingGuacamole> im not even gonna respond to that... oh wait
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17:18 <aosdict> I really don't think you need to rot13 spoilers about nethack or any of its variants in here.
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17:24 <FlamingGuacamole> wasn't sure
17:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Ran Elf Fem Cha) murdered it, her faithful little dog, on T:1036
17:26 <[Demo]1> damn livelog shitshow die
17:29 <FlamingGuacamole> anyone got any ideas for getting past a wall of trees in slex?
17:29 <[Demo]1> wand of digging? eat them? punch them? cry? die?
17:30 <FlamingGuacamole> not helping
17:30 <[Demo]1> climb them?
17:30 <FlamingGuacamole> i wish i could
17:31 <FlamingGuacamole> i tried panic digging and nothing happened
17:32 <FlamingGuacamole> phase door scrolls are all out, phase door technique teleported me wrong direction
17:32 <[Demo]1> go somewhere else for now then i guess
17:32 <FlamingGuacamole> im stuck on dlvl 1 and cant find the downstair
17:33 <[Demo]1> try again
17:33 <FlamingGuacamole> look on the hf server, you can see i can't get anywhere
17:34 <[Demo]1> if its dlvl just quit and try again cause it doesnt matter
17:37 <FlamingGuacamole> i don't believe in quitting
17:37 <[Demo]1> ok fine
17:38 <FlamingGuacamole> just holding . until phase door technique reloads
17:39 <FlamingGuacamole> yesssss, got it
17:42 <FlamingGuacamole> found the downstair in a secret room, filled with monsters, on the other side of the treewall.
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17:43 <FlamingGuacamole> wb
17:44 <[Demo]1> nice
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17:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a curved sword on an altar, on T:4743
18:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] barleywine (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 5205 points, T:3272, quit
18:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5138
18:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 3870 points, T:5139, killed by a tengu
18:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:58342
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18:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:59069
18:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:59661
18:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:59662
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18:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:13000
18:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] ebexta (ebx) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 11215 points, T:558, killed by a Mr. Akalapi, the shopkeeper
18:57 <jonadab> aosdict: I boiled the frog on monster letter rearrangement.
18:58 <jonadab> And I did get a handful of complaints.
18:58 <jonadab> Mostly about yellow-i newts.
18:58 <jonadab> Which apparently terrified people, because "like leprechauns only yellow" is scary?  Not sure why.
18:59 <[Demo]1> laserchaun
18:59 <[Demo]1> why dont i get to make slex monsters
18:59 <jonadab> Err, yellow l newts, I mean.
19:00 <jonadab> [Demo]1: You have to add the phrase "evil patch idea" when you mention new monsters, if you want to guarantee they will be in slex.
19:00 <[Demo]1> lol
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19:08 <rld> <@Luxidream> EPI: zruty king
19:09 <[Demo]1> xnh should add
19:09 <rld> <@rikersan> EPI: medusa has a seduction attack, and isn't instantly killed by stoning anymore (delayed stone)
19:09 <[Demo]1> slex needs an xnh zruty tribute level
19:10 <rld> <@Luxidream> It’s the astral plane except filled with zruties
19:10 <rld> <@Luxidream> The downstairs is next to the altar of your alignment
19:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:60980
19:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayer, on T:60980
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19:44 <K2> Super Troopers 2 bluray has arrived
19:44 <K2> mmmmm
19:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha), 197 points, T:362, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food
19:56 <K2> NetHack 343-hdf updated (all servers)
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20:20 <K2> UnNetHack updated (all servers)
20:20 <K2> bhaak - https://github.com/NHTangles/UnNetHack/commit/65a7c26da9d347b400b4da135d2a1aff156eec04
20:21 <K2> just need to get Chris_ANG to pull and apply to dnh
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20:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 450 points, T:1061, killed by a giant rat
20:53 <[Demo]1> wait does the fix actually work?
20:53 <[Demo]1> does someone super knowledgeable agree that it is a good way to fix the problem?
20:53 <[Demo]1> i dont trust commits unless 2 ppl that know what they are doing have looked at them
20:53 <rld> <@rikersan> yes
20:53 <rld> <@rikersan> I know basic C and hta'ts exactly how to fix
20:55 <[Demo]1> ok applied to ndnh then lol
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21:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] LuxSux (introsp3ctive) (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 11681 points, T:8874, killed by a mumak
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21:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 528 points, T:1340, killed by a rothe
21:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 403 points, T:567, killed by a jackal
21:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Pri Inf Fem Law), 3325 points, T:2005, killed by an owlbear
21:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] ebexta (ebx) (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 20018 points, T:1057, killed by a wererat
21:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Pir Hum Fem Neu), 330 points, T:967, killed by a hobgoblin
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21:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 2252 points, T:1733, killed by a crossbow bolt
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21:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:16180
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22:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] gomez (ebx) (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 29958 points, T:1976, killed by a kobold lord
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22:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a leather jacket on an altar, on T:4348
22:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4645
22:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4698
22:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1241 points, T:4770, killed by a sewer rat
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23:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] Eidolon (Luxidream) (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 794 points, T:1118, killed by a purple worm
23:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 358 points, T:536, killed by a manes
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23:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3081
23:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3734
23:56 <PavelB> aosdict: Got a weird message in my game just now: 
23:56 <PavelB> Niku misses the gnome lord. 168 MNAME yellow mold 168 MNAME yellow mold
23:56 <PavelB> A yellow mold grows on a moldy corpse!
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23:58 <rld> <@rikersan> debug() message that used the wrong function to print?