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01:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 5466 points, T:2944, killed by a bolt of lightning
01:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 234 points, T:889, killed by a wand
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04:54 <rld> <@Winsalot> PeterQ: playing vanilla race & role in slex? What's wrong woth you?
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05:53 <PeterQ> @Winsalot Slexy roles are apparently too hard for me :(
05:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Njalindoeng on T:23471
05:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Sipaliwini the invisible shopkeeper on T:23498
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08:45 <aosdict> jonadab: You said recently that some players don't like clairvoyance. I personally don't really see any downside to it; why do some players not like it?
08:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 795 points, T:946, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping
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09:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 730 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:27872
09:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:28366
09:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 5 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:28771
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09:57 <jonadab> aosdict: I hate clairvoyance because it's unpredictable and makes it harder to keep track of where I've been.
09:57 <jonadab> It's *annoying*.
09:57 <aosdict> How is it unpredictable? It's pretty regular.
09:58 <PeterQ> !tell LarienTelrunya: Couldn't load "makemais.lev" - making a maze.
09:58 <Beholder> Will do, PeterQ!
09:58 <jonadab> Maybe if you write down what turn it last triggered or something?
09:58 <jonadab> It's not intuitively predictable.
09:58 <jonadab> And anyway, even if you could predict it, it would be annoying to have to arrange to be surrounded by already-explored area on the specific turns when it is going to happen.
09:59 <jonadab> Or stop and take a screenshot right before it triggers.
09:59 <jonadab> Why should I have to do that?
09:59 <aosdict> The reason I ask is because I was trying to come up with a unique/rare intrinsic to give to Archeologists when they're crowned, and clairvoyance seems like the most obvious.
09:59 <bug_sniper> PeterQ, that message is intentional
09:59 <jonadab> aosdict: Oh, hmm, crowning is also something I normally avoid.
10:00 <aosdict> But if clairvoyance is so annoying, perhaps it should be something else.
10:00 <bug_sniper> I've had the conversation with amy about why it's like that already
10:00 <K2> its not
10:00 <aosdict> And a goal of this is to make crowning both better role-distinguished and more desirable, yes.
10:00 <rld> <@Demo> who is annoyed by clairvoyance?
10:00 <jonadab> aosdict: Better yet, fix clairvoyance so it works like in Brogue.
10:01 <PeterQ> bug_sniper: So it's just a joke when a maze level is generated?
10:01 <jonadab> I *like* clairvoyance in Brogue.
10:01 <rld> <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG mammon is 1. not immune ot his own breath 2. it appears as disint when he breathes (breathes a blast of disintegration!) and the coloring is the dark blue(black) of disint, probably sohuld be like gold
10:01 <Beholder> Will do, @rikersan!
10:02 <bug_sniper> PeterQ, yes, that or the lazy way to make the game make a maze
10:03 <aosdict> obligatory "how does it work in brogue"
10:03 <jonadab> aosdict: It lets you actually see through walls and rock.  Like, you can see monsters, objects, terrain, everything.
10:04 <jonadab> Also, the radius depends on the ring's charge.
10:04 <jonadab> So it's usually small.
10:04 <jonadab> Makes it very easy to find secret doors.
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10:07 <aosdict> so, astral vision/
10:07 <aosdict> ?
10:07 <jonadab> Oh, hmm.
10:07 <jonadab> Good point.
10:08 <rld> <@Demo> yum a slouse of pizza
10:12 <PeterQ> !tell LarienTelrunya: If a disarmable trap is generated in a wall, you can walk into the wall by failing to disarm it
10:12 <Beholder> Will do, PeterQ!
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10:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:30875
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10:36 <K2> !tell aosdict please add this commit to xnethack - https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/commit/0b8d2e464843eb23a062e133f5fb0b2c6ec4b53b - you wrote it, might as well include it ;)
10:36 <Beholder> Will do, K2!
10:51 <LarienTelrunya> PeterQ: gah! what was the name of the item this time?
10:51 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: Message from PeterQ at 2018-09-12 09:58 EDT: Couldn't load "makemais.lev" - making a maze.
10:51 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: Message from PeterQ at 2018-09-12 10:12 EDT: If a disarmable trap is generated in a wall, you can walk into the wall by failing to disarm it
10:54 <LarienTelrunya> G - the uncursed corrodeproof +5 pair of gauntlets of dexterity named Gauntlets of Defense (being worn) {4}
10:54 <PeterQ> LarienTelrunya: Gauntlets of Defense
10:54 <LarienTelrunya> man this stupid bug... does it once again only happen with exactly 106x terminal size?
10:55 <LarienTelrunya> I have to make it so that the item's name in the inventory display is simply cut off at 80 characters or something, because having such a bug in the game is unbearable
10:55 <LarienTelrunya> in particular, players could abuse it to crash the game on purpose to scum past undesirable results, and we can't have that
10:57 <LarienTelrunya> length of the string if you wear them is 107
10:58 <LarienTelrunya> sounds like it indeed crashes if the string is exactly one character longer than the terminal width?
10:58 <PeterQ> Last time it was a 105 character string though
10:58 <LarienTelrunya> oh
10:59 <LarienTelrunya> if it's not too much work for you, can you test the various terminal sizes from 104x to 108x and see if it's once again crashy for 106x only?
11:00 <rld> <@Demo> why is display in slex so broken?
11:00 <PeterQ> Maybe it's broken in general, but the names are longer in slex
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11:02 <rld> <@Demo> nah dnh has long names and works
11:02 <K2> redo slex on 3.6.x from scratch
11:03 <PeterQ> If the Gauntlets were identified they would be "G - the uncursed corrodeproof +5 pGauntlets of Defense (being worn) {4}". In any variant but slex they would be identified
11:05 <LarienTelrunya> yeah but I don't want the player to have to guess what the base item type of an artifact is
11:06 <PeterQ> They can just look it up in the list of identified items, or check through the inventory
11:09 <PeterQ> "C - a heavily cursed preserved +3 enchanted (of undead warning) wing cloak (being worn) {4}" is 91 characters long and crashes the game with a 90x24 terminal
11:11 <LarienTelrunya> shit, really?
11:11 <LarienTelrunya> man my guess is there's something wrong with either the erosion words or the enchantment words or both!
11:12 <LarienTelrunya> all those items have at least one of those
11:12 <LarienTelrunya> if you just give a regular, nonerosionproof item a long name, it might not crash
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11:12 <LarienTelrunya> (or it might, I dunno)
11:12 <PeterQ> The other terminal sizes around 106x.. don't crash
11:13 <LarienTelrunya> yeah so it's apparently a crash if the string is exactly one character too long
11:14 <[Demo]1> why
11:14 <PeterQ> Named items crash it too. That makes it extremely abusable
11:15 <PeterQ> Sticky situation? Name an item and open the inventory twice
11:15 <[Demo]1> should I go abuse this for fun? :P
11:15 <LarienTelrunya> PeterQ: can you try something that isn't erosionproof or eroded?
11:15 <[Demo]1> what's a good wish source?
11:15 <LarienTelrunya> the mummy wrapping for example?
11:19 <PeterQ> Crashes too
11:19 <LarienTelrunya> well shiiiiiiiit
11:19 <LarienTelrunya> that's really ridiculously abusable
11:19 <LarienTelrunya> but how can it be? where did I screw this up
11:19 <[Demo]1> debugger gogog
11:20 <LarienTelrunya> well I already have a crash dump, but it's not very helpful
11:20 <rld> <@rikersan> demo since when has illurien killing unbound eden
11:20 <[Demo]1> eden is a fountain yeah
11:20 <[Demo]1> i have no fucking clue
11:22 <rld> <@rikersan> ok demo
11:22 <rld> <@rikersan> does dant or enki work on astral?
11:22 <rld> <@rikersan> cuz i'm either gonna get reflection OR dant/enki
11:23 <[Demo]1> enki yes
11:23 <[Demo]1> dant no
11:23 <rld> <@rikersan> I'm on the asc run rn, parked on orcus
11:23 <rld> <@rikersan> aight so it's worth using enki?
11:23 <[Demo]1> always
11:23 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
11:23 <rld> <@rikersan> astral with no reflection here I come
11:23 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: have I told you about our lord and saviour -O0?
11:23 <Beholder> aosdict: Message from K2 at 2018-09-12 10:36 EDT: please add this commit to xnethack - https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/commit/0b8d2e464843eb23a062e133f5fb0b2c6ec4b53b - you wrote it, might as well include it ;)
11:24 <rld> <@rikersan> I've had reflection for the duration of mammon's lair (meph did get gated) and then promptly nuked it, I was using eden and illurien spwaned
11:24 <rld> <@rikersan> hlf monk so I don't want ot use SDSM
11:24 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: according to K2 we should use -O and it did give a meaningful dumplog, it just still doesn't give me a clue about fixing it though
11:26 <aosdict> in my experience I have to pin gcc to the ground with -O0 to ensure I get good debugging output. Even with -Og there have been some cases where I can't walk through a function because it optimized some stuff out.
11:28 <[Demo]1> cant get crash :(
11:29 <PeterQ> Increase terminal size
11:29 <PeterQ> I just tried it in dnh, it crashes too
11:29 <[Demo]1> what
11:29 <PeterQ> Minimum terminal size where it crashed for me was 90
11:29 <[Demo]1> oh are you using curses?
11:30 <PeterQ> No
11:30 <[Demo]1> what
11:30 <[Demo]1> try it in vanilla?
11:30 <PeterQ> Ok
11:30 <[Demo]1> and if it doesnt work there, grunthack or 3.4.3 nao
11:30 <LarienTelrunya> PeterQ: wait holy shit dnh has the bug too???
11:30 <LarienTelrunya> because I can't reproduce it in either of the two
11:31 <LarienTelrunya> b - [ a heavily cursed +10 enchanted (of Team Nastytrap) pair of hippie heels named werktlekltwklezklewzjlwezwet1234 (being worn) {5}
11:31 <LarienTelrunya> ^^ doesn't crash for me in 133x
11:33 <PeterQ> That's 1 character too little
11:35 <LarienTelrunya> can't seem to get it to crash...
11:38 <PeterQ> Didn't work in 3.6.2
11:38 <[Demo]1> damn
11:39 <[Demo]1> hey amy, what if this is what causes dnh discoveries to crash for sam bats?
11:39 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]1: nah, I found out why that caused crashes and fixed it; it's up to Chris to pull the fix :P
11:40 <LarienTelrunya> discoveries in DNHslex work now and were therefore reenabled
11:40 <[Demo]1> wait its fixed?
11:40 <[Demo]1> link to pr?
11:40 <LarienTelrunya> https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/2c84ccb819a77608156bfd6cec05c3927725e289
11:40 <[Demo]1> oh just chris being a chris
11:40 <LarienTelrunya> the cause was a faulty copy and paste job
11:41 <[Demo]1> which is pretty usual for dnh bugs
11:42 <PeterQ> 3.4.3 does not crash, grunthack does
11:42 <[Demo]1> weird
11:43 <[Demo]1> i wonder if pure 3.4.3 would crash then
11:43 <PeterQ> And apart from me nobody can reproduce it?
11:43 <[Demo]1> and not 343 nao
11:43 <[Demo]1> yeah
11:43 <[Demo]1> what terminal emulator are you using?
11:43 <LarienTelrunya> PeterQ: are you using the default grunthack rcfile or did you edit that?
11:44 <PeterQ> I'm on ubuntu's default terminal, and default settings
11:45 <LarienTelrunya> and what terminal size were you using for grunt? I want to use the exact same for testing purposes
11:45 <[Demo]1> unity desktop or gnome?
11:45 <LarienTelrunya> but at the very least I'm relieved that it's not actually slex at fault here
11:46 <[Demo]1> is the default background blue or orange/purple?
11:47 <PeterQ> unity (orange)
11:47 <[Demo]1> gonna try to replicate with that setup then
11:48 <bug_sniper> evil patch idea: boots of fumbling can cause you to slip and fall back down while walking upstairs
11:51 <LarienTelrunya> PeterQ: what terminal size did you use for reproducing the bug in grunt?
11:51 <PeterQ> <LarienTelrunya>: 106x27
11:51 <LarienTelrunya> also, it shouldn't actually matter what terminal emulator one's using, because the crash happens on the server and the only thing your terminal emulator sends is the size of your terminal, right? or does it send other information too?
11:52 <LarienTelrunya> okay, gonna try to reproduce the grunt bug with 106x27 then
11:53 <[Demo]1> probably not
11:53 <[Demo]1> but for science
11:53 <[Demo]1> ok ill try 106 too then
11:53 <[Demo]1> no luck with 100
11:54 <LarienTelrunya> ah so it crashes if "(being wo" is the last thing seen, i.e. if it cuts off after the 'o' of "worn"?
11:55 <[Demo]1> whoa
11:55 <[Demo]1> got it
11:55 <rld> <@Winsalot> Hi Amy
11:55 <rld> <@Winsalot> Wtf do copper dragon scales give?
11:55 <LarienTelrunya> yo @Winsalot, I hope you aren't getting crashes too?
11:55 <LarienTelrunya> also use the in-game item descriptions :P
11:55 <rld> <@Winsalot> no crashes yet 😃
11:56 <[Demo]1> kakakakkakakakakakakkakakakakkakakakakkakaka string to name your splint mail as a samurai with a 106x27 terminal
11:56 <PeterQ> The whole text has to be 1 character longer than the terminal. Since the inventory does not use the first and last line, 3 characters are missing, so "rn)"
11:56 <rld> <@Winsalot> This armor offers moderate protection as well as rivers. ?
11:56 <rld> <@Winsalot> rivers?
11:56 <rld> <@Winsalot> like rivers with water?
11:56 <LarienTelrunya> Winsalot: I think it means that entering a new dungeon level while wearing them will make rivers on that new level
11:57 <rld> <@Winsalot> oh. That's pretty shitty 😃
11:57 <[Demo]1> crashes spork as well as un
11:57 <LarienTelrunya> and peeeeew my grunthack game crashed too
11:57 <bug_sniper> slex gives big advantages to flight
11:58 <LarienTelrunya> okay so this is reproducible and a giant loophole in all those variants...
11:58 <PeterQ> Please try the vanilla variants as well, maybe I misscounted characters or something
11:58 <LarienTelrunya> got only one scroll of genocide when wishing for three? crashonpurpose
11:58 <LarienTelrunya> got only +0 when wishing for +3? crashonpurpose
11:58 <LarienTelrunya> got sucked by a mind flayer? crashonpurpose
11:59 <[Demo]1> yeah
11:59 <LarienTelrunya> read-identified a scroll and got a bad result? crashonpurpose and name the scroll :P
11:59 <[Demo]1> so this is huge
11:59 <bug_sniper> !who
11:59 <Beholder> bug_sniper: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] winsalot [slex] PeterQ [gh] Graznop [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players
11:59 <[Demo]1> good find + wow im proud
11:59 <[Demo]1> that it has been found
11:59 <[Demo]1> and that something like this has existed all along
11:59 <LarienTelrunya> well it probably hasn't existed all along, it's because of hdf's glibc behavior
12:00 <[Demo]1> oh?
12:00 <LarienTelrunya> I mean, an "invalid next size (fast)" does indeed mean that there's an error, but without glibc it might not crash (but leak memory or something)
12:00 <PeterQ> LarienTelrunya: On which terminal did you get it to crash? Putty?
12:00 <LarienTelrunya> not sure what glibc really is, but I consider it a "guardian program" that watches memory and throws a SIGABRT if it detects something unusual
12:00 <LarienTelrunya> PeterQ: https://tools.bartlweb.net/webssh/
12:01 <LarienTelrunya> so apparently, viewing such an item name that's just a little too long will somehow corrupt memory, glibc detects that, and decides to shut down the program to prevent damage
12:02 <[Demo]1> so does this work on esm?
12:02 <LarienTelrunya> no, because we don't have glibc on esm
12:03 <LarienTelrunya> 343 seems indeed crashproof in that regard
12:05 <[Demo]1> so how to fix?
12:05 <LarienTelrunya> good question
12:06 <LarienTelrunya> 343-hdf must be different in some way, because it doesn't crash
12:14 <LarienTelrunya> okay, tested dnethack on both hdf-eu and ascrun, exact same setup, named the shirt 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234 in both cases, hdf-eu gives a crash while ascrun doesn't
12:15 <[Demo]1> how long has hdf had glibc?
12:15 <[Demo]1> Oh since always
12:15 <LarienTelrunya> very long
12:15 <LarienTelrunya> is someone in the ascrun channel and can ask kerio whether ascrun also has glibc? I can't join because my irc client doesn't support ssh
12:16 <LarienTelrunya> err, ssl
12:16 <[Demo]1> I'm in line to buy a damn sandwich
12:17 <LarienTelrunya> but still, as I said before, if glibc throws such an error it means that there really is a memory corruption error and the glibc-less servers just don't catch it so it may corrupt random memory and no one will ever know
12:17 <LarienTelrunya> i.e. there really is a bug and we need to find it
12:17 <[Demo]1> yea the question is have we ever seen effects of it on non glibc servers and not known it?
12:17 <K2> the slex crash - http://termbin.com/2mjx
12:17 <K2> dnh crash - http://termbin.com/86vm
12:18 <[Demo]1> like seemingly random unknown memory corruption effects
12:18 <K2> grunt crash - http://termbin.com/0ca3
12:19 <LarienTelrunya> oh in grunt it's a segfault while for the other two it's an abort?!
12:19 <jonadab> Oh, fun.
12:19 <[Demo]1> yey
12:20 <jonadab> Ah, it's in wintty.c
12:20 <K2> is this from a too long username?
12:20 <jonadab> Probably.
12:20 <K2> is that how you're reproducing?
12:20 <jonadab> i.e., Nitro derivatives are probably immune.
12:21 <[Demo]1> I tried nh4
12:21 <[Demo]1> no luck
12:21 <K2> is that how you're reproducing?
12:21 <PeterQ> itemnames, yes
12:21 <K2> what are you doing exactly to produce the crash?
12:21 <K2> oh so naming an item with a too long name
12:21 <K2> how long?
12:21 <PeterQ> name an item so that the complete name is exactly 1 character longer than the terminal
12:21 <[Demo]1> 1 above terminal width
12:21 <K2> ok thx
12:22 <jonadab> Interesting.
12:22 <PeterQ> But it didn't crash on all terminals, right?
12:22 <LarienTelrunya> K2: on a 106x27 terminal in dnethack, naming my starting hawaiian shirt 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234 causes the crash when opening the inventory.
12:22 <[Demo]1> it does
12:23 <LarienTelrunya> It will display as h - an uncursed +0 Hawaiian shirt named 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234 (being wo
12:23 <K2> PeterQ: were you in normal tty mode or curses mode?
12:23 <[Demo]1> normal tty
12:23 <[Demo]1> not curses
12:23 <jonadab> Maybe try to reproduce under valgrind.
12:23 <K2> ok
12:23 <[Demo]1> does anyone but fiq know how to use valgrind?
12:23 <LarienTelrunya> yeah tty, maybe we should test whether curses can be made to crash that way too
12:23 <jonadab> [Demo]1: ais523 knows how.
12:24 <[Demo]1> Oh yeah
12:24 <[Demo]1> does bhaak cause un crashes too
12:26 <rld> <@Luxidream> I'm not getting a crash
12:27 <[Demo]1> I do wanna know what the memory corruption is actually affecting
12:28 <[Demo]1> and if on servers without glibc being a prude about memory corruption if it could be abused there
12:29 <PeterQ> Well, you can abuse it on any server WITH glibc. fountain/throne = free wishes
12:29 <PeterQ> Though it might take a long time for fountains 
12:30 <[Demo]1> Yeah thrones are much easier
12:31 <jonadab> It's not impossible that (without the memory corruption protection) it could be abused in a way that goes beyond cheating at NetHack.l
12:31 <[Demo]1> not all variants have autorecover
12:31 <[Demo]1> yikes
12:31 <jonadab> Memory corruption is often exploitable.
12:31 <jonadab> Sometimes it can be abused for arbitrary code execution.
12:31 <[Demo]1> is kerio gonna get totally pwnd?
12:31 <jonadab> Although, the chroot protection would significantly mitigate that.
12:32 <jonadab> Still, this is the sort of bug we should ideally track down and fix.
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12:33 <PeterQ> Which of the variants has the smallest source code? Are they all open source?
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12:33 <aosdict> They can't not be open source.
12:33 <jonadab> The license is share-alike, so yes, they're all open-source.
12:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Set, on T:3861
12:34 <aosdict> If you changed it sufficiently to not be bound by the NGPL, then it wouldn't really be nethack anymore (see: Pathos).
12:34 <jonadab> Smallest source of any hosted variant, currently, is probably 343-nao?
12:34 <PeterQ> That one does not crash
12:34 <jonadab> 1.3d would be smaller, but I don't think anyone's hosting that right now.
12:35 <K2> we are
12:35 <FIQ> [Demo]1: clearly a buffer overflow
12:35 <FIQ> might exist in other variants
12:35 <jonadab> K2: Oh?  Ok, well then that one has the smallest source, hands down.
12:35 <K2> yeah it takes all of 2 sec to compile
12:35 <jonadab> FIQ: In the wrapping code possibly?
12:35 <K2> if that
12:36 <FIQ> Dunno where
12:36 <jonadab> (The thing that makes me say wrapping, is the fact that they went one more than terminal width for reproducing it.)
12:36 <K2> does this bug exist in 3.6.x ?
12:36 <FIQ> Does it exist outside dnethack?
12:37 <PeterQ> K2: No
12:37 <PeterQ> FIQ: yes
12:37 <FIQ> I don't see how this could be dnethack-specific
12:37 <jonadab> FIQ: It's been reproduced in grunt and slex.
12:37 <FIQ> Ah
12:37 <FIQ> So a 3.4.3 bug then presumably
12:37 <jonadab> Or earlier, yes.
12:37 <PeterQ> No, at least not 3.4.3-hdf
12:37 <FIQ> 3.4.3-hdf is an evolution of 3.4.3-nao
12:37 <FIQ> which has a bunch of bug fixes that other variants lack
12:38 <aosdict> What if you were to eliminate direct vanilla derivatives?
12:38 <FIQ> aosdict: What do you mean?
12:38 <aosdict> No 1.3d, no 3.4.3-nao or 3.4.3-hdf or 3.6.2-hdf.
12:39 <FIQ> Hm wait, something doesn't make sense here
12:39 <aosdict> Stuff that was not guided by someone under the purpose of making a variant.
12:39 <jonadab> Doesn't dnethack have the nao fixes?
12:39 <FIQ> the dnethack that is on servers includes NAO patches
12:39 <FIQ> so why does it have the bug
12:39 <FIQ> is there missing NAO changes
12:39 <FIQ> jonadab: Right, was thinking that
12:45 <K2> grunthack may as well
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12:46 <K2> sporkhack was recently updated with some patches that NAO has, should test that also
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12:47 <[Demo]1> not sure why it works in dnao but not nao
12:47 <[Demo]1> works in spork
12:47 <K2> hmm
12:49 <K2> looks like the crash affected unnethack also
12:49 <K2> i see a recent coredump for it
12:49 <[Demo]1> yes read back scroll lol
12:49 <[Demo]1> ah
12:49 <K2> i'm at work, skim backscroll when i can
12:49 <[Demo]1> gotcha
12:51 <K2> sporkhack crash - http://termbin.com/hi3s
12:51 <K2> unnethack crash - http://termbin.com/i7iu
12:52 <K2> ^ bhaak
12:52 <PeterQ> I can crash slex on 90x24, but not the other variants
12:52 <PeterQ> or at least not dnh
12:56 <PeterQ> Ok, nvm, works on dnh too
12:58 <K2> meeting bbl. bleh
13:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:33582
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13:08 <PeterQ> Did anyone have any luck reproducing the crash on dimensions other than 106x.. and 90x..? I tried a few and those two were the only ones that worked
13:11 <rld> <@Luxidream> I can't get it to work on anything smaller
13:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 6142 points, T:7175, killed by a wolf
13:13 <rld> <@Luxidream> !lastgame
13:13 <Beholder> @Luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/i/introsp3ctive/nh361/dumplog/1536725009.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spontiff/nh361/dumplog/1536417169.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1532060298.xnh.txt
13:15 <PeterQ> 122x.. crashes too. So maybe it's 90+8n or +16n
13:16 <aosdict> K2: does this crash affect 3.6.x too or are it and its variants safe
13:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:34420
13:23 <rld> <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: can you link all soko levels from the source? I have never seen level I am at and it also has fog of war. Basically I'm fucked
13:25 <LarienTelrunya> @Winsalot: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/master/dat/sokoban.des
13:27 <rld> <@Winsalot> Ok, I found the level I'm at, but it's not really helpful
13:30 <FIQ> !lastgame
13:30 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/i/introsp3ctive/nh361/dumplog/1536725009.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spontiff/nh361/dumplog/1536417169.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/xnethack/dumplog/1532060298.xnh.txt
13:31 <FIQ> !lastgame FIQ
13:31 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/nethack4/dumplog/2018-06-01%2000%3A18%3A02%2C%20FIQ-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law%2C%20quit.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/dnethack/dumplog/1530397409.dnh.txt
13:31 <FIQ> !lastgame luxidream
13:31 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack4/dumplog/2018-09-09%2007%3A37%3A48%2C%20Binaural%20Beats%20By%20Dre-Sam-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dnethack/dumplog/1530400922.dnh.txt
13:32 <FIQ> !lastgame slex
13:32 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Leeroy/slex/dumplog/1536702461.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/w/winsalot/slex/dumplog/1536699889.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/V/V38M2Y69T/slex/dumplog/1529979663.slex.txt
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13:39 <rld> <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: can acu train skills past Expert?
13:39 <LarienTelrunya> @Winsalot: sure; if you train a skill at least 50 times before unlocking it, it'll be unlocked at master. Train it 500 times before unlocking and you unlock it at grand master.
13:40 <rld> <@Winsalot> hm, so If it's alreadyat expert, then I can forget about grand master and stuff 😦
13:40 <LarienTelrunya> yeah already unlocked skills won't have their caps increased, sorry
13:41 <LarienTelrunya> also, is there a way to detect code-wise what the player's terminal size is? maybe I can tentatively plug the crash by disallowing the faulty terminal dimensions, I know that's a shitty way of fixing it but at least it would stop the player's ability to crashscum
13:41 <LarienTelrunya> of course once a real fix is discovered I'll apply that instead
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13:49 <LarienTelrunya> K2: is the source code for 343-hdf available on github? I'm specifically interested in wintty.c
13:50 <LarienTelrunya> https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack I guess?
13:53 <rld> <@Winsalot> oh shit not this sokoban level again
13:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:4014
13:56 <rld> <@Winsalot> how do I cure lycantrophy in slex?
13:57 <rld> <@Winsalot> is there a command to change back into human form?
13:57 <LarienTelrunya> Winsalot: #youpoly, but that only works if you're the lycanthrope race
13:58 <LarienTelrunya> also you can cure it by eating wolfsbane, praying, or quaffing a blessed potion of amnesia
13:58 <LarienTelrunya> maybe other ways exist but I can't think of them off the top of my head
13:58 <PeterQ> holy water and holy wafer also work
13:58 <rld> <@Winsalot> time to pray I guess 😃
13:59 <LarienTelrunya> anyway I found something suspicious in wintty.c when comparing 343-hdf and grunt-hdf, maybe there's the culprit
13:59 <LarienTelrunya> the place where it says /* cut off any lines that are too long */
13:59 <LarienTelrunya> 343-hdf has len = strlen((curr->str ? curr->str : "")) + 2;	/* extra space at beg & end */
13:59 <LarienTelrunya> grunt has len = strlen(curr->str) + 2;	/* extra space at beg & end */
14:01 <LarienTelrunya> sporkhack has the same code as grunt
14:01 <LarienTelrunya> oh, but dnao has the 343-hdf code and still crashes somehow
14:02 <LarienTelrunya> probably false alarm then :(
14:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed staff of aesculapius", on T:42941
14:13 <rld> <@Winsalot> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
14:13 <rld> <Winsalot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/489498794849730560/Screenshot_2018-09-12_21-13-12.png
14:15 <PeterQ> LarienTelrunya: It doesn't cost you anything, try changing it to +3 
14:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 189 points, T:736, killed by a bolt of fire
14:16 <LarienTelrunya> PeterQ: nah that's most probably not it; 343-hdf just has that extra failsafe to make sure that curr->str exists
14:16 <LarienTelrunya> but dnao has that too, yet dnao does crash
14:16 <LarienTelrunya> @Winsalot: well, you should probably try to lift the curse
14:17 <rld> <@Winsalot> Dont have any way how
14:20 <PeterQ> LarienTelrunya: strlen does not consider the 0 terminator though, so "len" might be too small by 1 character
14:20 <LarienTelrunya> PeterQ: yeah but for 343-hdf it does work
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14:23 <PeterQ> That might be a coincidence. There are probably more differences between 343-hdf and the others, maybe 343-hdf crashes too, but at a different terminal size
14:25 <rld> <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: shopkeeper is not letting me leave even though I owe him nothing
14:25 <LarienTelrunya> @Winsalot: you sure you don't have anything unpaid? did you try 'p'?
14:26 <rld> <@Winsalot> yeah
14:26 <[Demo]1> did u try intimidating him?
14:26 <PeterQ> He might just like the spot at the door, try walking around
14:26 <rld> <@Winsalot> ok wtf
14:26 <rld> <@Winsalot> he let me through
14:28 <rld> <@Winsalot> There are many objects here. The fur on the back of your neck stands up. How do I shave in this game? I don't want to be furry
14:29 <LarienTelrunya> !tell K2 I pushed a slex commit to master that may or may not fix this glibc error we're seeing; can you update slex with that? I want to check whether my theory is correct ;)
14:29 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
14:30 <rld> <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: btw does leather burn in slex? Can I just burn the cloak away by repeatedly triggering trap?
14:30 <rld> <@Winsalot> I mean not the cloak, but my nasty robe
14:31 <K2> LarienTelrunya ok one min
14:31 <Beholder> K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-09-12 14:29 EDT: I pushed a slex commit to master that may or may not fix this glibc error we're seeing; can you update slex with that? I want to check whether my theory is correct ;)
14:31 <LarienTelrunya> @Winsalot: should be possible if you get hit with the burn effect often enough
14:31 <K2> LarienTelrunya ok give it a try (EU server)
14:31 <LarienTelrunya> thanks K2
14:32 <LarienTelrunya> will try now
14:32 <LarienTelrunya> err I had the wrong terminal size, one moment, will have to retry
14:34 <PeterQ> Winsalot: Yes, it does
14:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 263 points, T:1046, killed by a falling rock
14:34 <LarienTelrunya> can't get it to crash anymore; K2: you hopefully didn't update hdf-us yet? because then I can try there to make sure I'm still doing it in a way that would crash without the fix
14:35 <K2> no just EU
14:35 <LarienTelrunya> ok, will try on US now :)
14:36 <LarienTelrunya> amazing, that actually did the trick :D
14:37 <K2> nice
14:37 <LarienTelrunya> I mean, it's not a real fix; it's "sealing the evil bug in a can". But until a real solution is found, this will at least stop the bug from occurring and players from exploiting it to cheat past bad results. K2: you may want to update slex on the other hdf servers now :)
14:38 <LarienTelrunya> what I did was to make it so that the tty handler automatically reduces the terminal width from 90 to 89 or from 106 to 105 if it detects those values
14:38 <K2> Slash'EM Extended updated (all servers)
14:38 <PeterQ> *starts playing at 122
14:38 <LarienTelrunya> thanks!
14:39 <LarienTelrunya> oh fuck, you mean 122 might also have the bug
14:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7001
14:39 <PeterQ> It does, probably all versions of 90 + 16n do :D
14:40 <LarienTelrunya> yep, well shit
14:40 <LarienTelrunya> okay I have to make a better fix then
14:40 <LarienTelrunya> (sorry K2)
14:41 <LarienTelrunya> if (ttyDisplay->cols >= 90 && ((ttyDisplay->cols - 90) % 16 == 0) ) ttyDisplay->cols--;
14:41 <LarienTelrunya> PeterQ: ^^ do you think that would do the trick?
14:43 <LarienTelrunya> K2: alright, sorry to be a bother but I made a new fix that should catch all cases hopefully ;)
14:44 <K2> Slash'EM Extended updated (all servers)
14:44 <PeterQ> Yes, probably, though I did not test anything below 80 columns, so 74 and smaller might also be affected (if those are even allowed)
14:45 <LarienTelrunya> okay, 122 no longer crashes now :)
14:45 <LarienTelrunya> thanks K2!
14:47 <LarienTelrunya> well shit, 74 indeed crashes too
14:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:7569
14:47 <LarienTelrunya> man this is such a stupid bug really
14:47 <LarienTelrunya> 58, 42, 26 and 10 probably crash too then, if anyone is weird enough to use such dimensions
14:48 <K2> but who plays at less than 80?
14:48 <K2> you'd cut off content
14:48 <PeterQ> Anyone who knows of the bug and wants some wishes
14:49 <LarienTelrunya> yep 26 crashes too, just a runed dagger without any specific name causes the crash there
14:51 <LarienTelrunya> sorry K2 but I fixed it a last time now, this time including terminals both bigger and smaller than 90 ;) that should really shut down the crash for the time being!
14:52 <K2> Slash'EM Extended updated (all servers)
14:53 <LarienTelrunya> thanks! that should really do it for slex :) but I'm hoping the other variant devs can eventually track down the actual source of this bug and make a real fix; I'll also keep looking
14:54 <LarienTelrunya> and then all the currently bugged variants can be fixed eventually if such a fix is discovered!
14:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:44738
14:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) picked up the Bell of Opening, on T:44739
14:56 <LarienTelrunya> I wonder if I can trigger the bug on windows, actually. Maybe with gdb attached.
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15:03 <rld> <@Winsalot> This lizard-eel corpse is delicious! You feel rock solid. what intistic did I just get?
15:06 <LarienTelrunya> petrification resistance; there's a 1% chance for it to be permanent, otherwise it will time out.
15:11 <LarienTelrunya> hmm, on windows I always get a SIGTRAP with gdb if any item in the player's inventory has a name that is longer than the terminal width
15:12 <LarienTelrunya> something with heap block modified past requested size
15:13 <LarienTelrunya> Invalid address specified to RtlFreeHeap.
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15:33 <introsp3ctive> Okay stupid question but it's been a really long time since I played Nethack. If I want to dilute a bunch of potions in a body of water, what's the best way to do that without hurting myself? I have levitation if that matters.
15:37 <K2> levitation wont work
15:37 <K2> water walking boots is the ticket
15:37 <K2> (or flying if playing unnethack or splicehack)
15:37 <introsp3ctive> cool thank you. I think I have a pair of those around.
15:38 <K2> or the hard way - remove everything that can rust or fade, and go for a swim
15:39 <K2> hmm... if i poly into a stone golem, can I swim in lava?
15:41 <rld> <@mtf> shouldn't stone be melted by lava...
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15:48 <[Demo]1> k2 only things that likes_lava are fire elementals and salamanders so no
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16:36 <jonadab> Hmm, YASI:  You can #dip potions in lava to get potions of lava.  Quaffing them does very high amounts of fire damage.  But in a couple hundred turns, the cool and turn into potions of stone.  Which are effectively the same as rocks.
16:36 <jonadab> *they
16:41 <rld> <@shadowsapex> the glass would melt
16:42 <[Demo]1> ndnh has potions of lava
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17:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] brandywine (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20964
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17:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:19445
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17:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3747
17:45 <Pinkbeast> introsp3ctive: If not excessively burdened (look it up, but unburdened is fine) and not punished, you will never drown going skinny dipping.
17:52 <introsp3ctive> Pinkbeast: cool thank you
18:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:20963
18:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof bag of holding", on T:20964
18:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Fen Ang Mal Law), 121697 points, T:11209, petrified by a bashing a petrifying monster
18:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:21007
18:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:21386
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19:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:22236
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19:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:22697
20:03 <rld> <@Theyflower> !tell ais235 nobody reads the guidebook
20:03 <Beholder> Will do, @Theyflower!
20:04 <aosdict> pfft
20:04 <rld> <@rikersan> LOL
20:04 <aosdict> ais523: ^
20:04 <aosdict> (he's here at the moment)
20:05 <rld> <@Theyflower> oh
20:05 <ais523> hi
20:05 <Beholder> Hello ais523, Welcome to #hardfought
20:06 <ais523> also, ais235 is going to get very confused if they ever join this channel :-P
20:06 <aosdict> AIS Bot Ver. 235
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20:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:24813
20:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24818
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21:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 390 points, T:959, killed by a water demon
21:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:27310
21:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] introsp3ctive (Val Dwa Fem Law), 369545 points, T:28292, died of starvation, while fainted
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21:27 <rld> <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG I think I reported this before but saving and reopening the game on the plane of water immediately crashes the game
21:27 <Beholder> Will do, @rikersan!
21:35 <[Demo]1> what
21:38 <ais523> it's Water, it's the most save-unstable part of the game
21:38 <ais523> because all the moving bubbles make things so much more complex
21:41 <[Demo]1> I know chris broke water a bunch but I thought it was pretty much fully fixed now
21:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:123802
21:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1438 points, T:4075, killed by a dwarf
22:02 <aosdict> ais523: Who decided that, yeah, Earth doesn't have a gimmick, Fire (at the time) doesn't have a gimmick, Air has a couple of small gimmicks... so Water should just be one giant gimmick?
22:02 <rld> <@rikersan> nope any save on water is just instantly brokenn
22:02 <rld> <@rikersan> try it demo
22:02 <rld> <@rikersan> save then try to reload
22:02 <rld> <@rikersan> you can't even recover the game lel
22:02 <ais523> aosdict: I think there was an attempt at a gimmick on all the Planes
22:02 <ais523> most of them just failed for one reason or another
22:02 <ais523> Earth is actually full of gimmicks if you do it the intended way using a pickaxe
22:02 <ais523> but nobody does for some reason :-D
22:03 <rld> <@rikersan> "for some reason"
22:03 <ais523> by Fire I think the devs were just out of ideas
22:03 <aosdict> when I say gimmick I mean level-specific special rule. Does Earth have any such thing?
22:03 <rld> <@Luxidream> Yes
22:03 <rld> <@Luxidream> Earth elemental will spawn if you dig normally
22:03 <ais523> also pickaxes will cause cave-ins
22:03 <rld> <@rikersan> and dnh (and I think soem variants, maybe 3.6?) has earthquakes?
22:03 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah cave-ins
22:03 <rld> <@rikersan> that applies with any digging tho
22:03 <aosdict> ais523: surely that was only in variants?
22:04 <ais523> nope, vanilla 3.4.3
22:04 <aosdict> I remember it in grunthack
22:04 <ais523> just nobody ever sees this because it doesn't happen with wands of digging in vanilla
22:04 <aosdict> and it was *really* annoying
22:04 <ais523> presumably grunthack changed it to trigger on all forms of digging
22:04 <aosdict> pickaxes should be encouraged on Earth, not discouraged.
22:05 <[Demo]1> oh hey
22:05 <[Demo]1> it doesnt crash in ndnh!?
22:06 <ais523> my Planes dungeon overhaul plan had new gimmicks for many of the planes
22:06 <ais523> (except Air, that one works already)
22:07 <[Demo]1> maybe not... wont do it in 3.16.0 either?
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22:07 <[Demo]1> rikersan how are you replicating?
22:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Mal Cha), 8 points, T:44, killed by a fox
22:22 <aosdict> "A kobold zombie grows on a moldy corpse!"
22:22 <aosdict> oh dear...
22:22 <[Demo]1> heh
22:25 <rld> <@rikersan> demo:
22:25 <rld> <@rikersan> I'm literally opening wizmode
22:25 <rld> <@rikersan> wishing for amulet of yendor
22:25 <rld> <@rikersan> going up the stairs
22:26 <rld> <@rikersan> then I levelport to -4 (water) and save
22:26 <rld> <@rikersan> trying to reopen immediately fails
22:26 <rld> <@rikersan> huh I can't repro with lldb on
22:31 <[Demo]1> did that and no luck but havent tried outside of gdb
22:31 <rld> <@rikersan> huh
22:32 <rld> <@rikersan> trying normally crashes
22:32 <rld> <@rikersan> what the heck
22:32 <rld> <@rikersan> ok saving inside lldb and then trying to open outside makes it unplayable
22:32 <rld> <@rikersan> it crashes with "destroy" or "recover" options
22:32 <[Demo]1> what even
22:32 <rld> <@rikersan> I don't even konw
22:33 <[Demo]1> oh hmm does the same with gdb what even
22:33 <rld> <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG ok, it's not reproable in lldb. however, saving it works fine in lldb but then the save can't be used outside. the game is literally unplayable. hitting "y" to the "destroy" prompt still has the same crash, but so does "r" for "recover". n/cancel works fine and cancels the game open tho
22:33 <Beholder> Will do, @rikersan!
22:33 <[Demo]1> its a segfault though
22:33 <rld> <@rikersan> ya
22:34 <[Demo]1> what the ass apes i dont like this
22:36 <aosdict> [Demo]1: you should add a quest to ndnh where you have to go around finding a bunch of bugfix macguffins and restore stability to dnethack
22:36 <ais523> oh wow, a heisenbug
22:37 <ais523> those are common in a lot of contexts, but NetHack is not one of those contexts
22:38 <ais523> try it in valgrind, that normally also removes the bug but often gives useful warning messages along the way
22:38 <[Demo]1> this isnt slex im not just adding dumb shit for the sake of adding dumb shit and also i doubt bugfix macguffins could restore stability to the shitshow that is dnh
22:38 <[Demo]1> nobody knows how to use valgrind but you and fiq :P
22:38 <ais523> (remember to point valgrind's output to a file when debugging tty versions of NetHack, otherwise it gets all mixed up with the map)
22:39 <[Demo]1> ok cool bug exists in ndnh too
22:39 <ais523> [Demo]1: valgrind --log-file=/tmp/valgrind.log --track-origins=yes ./nethack
22:39 <[Demo]1> thanks
22:39 <ais523> although note that you need to be pointing to the actual nethack executable
22:39 <ais523> not the wrapper shellscript
22:39 <ais523> (and may need to set up environment variables appropriately)
22:40 <[Demo]1> yeah and in this case its notdnethack and id like -D and -u wizard
22:40 <ais523> you can stick those after the executable name
22:40 <ais523> at the end of the command line
22:41 <[Demo]1> has anyone ever run valgrind on dnethack?
22:43 <rld> <@rikersan> I don't think so
22:43 <ais523> quite possibly not
22:43 <rld> <@rikersan> you should tbh
22:43 <ais523> note: the first valgrind on a project can be pretty scary
22:43 <ais523> as often it finds a huge number of bugs that you didn't realise were there :-D
22:43 <rld> <@rikersan> honestly
22:43 <rld> <@rikersan> if it finds most of the bugs I'd be so happy
22:43 <rld> <@rikersan> there's at least 10 game breaking bugs floating around right now so
22:44 <[Demo]1> https://i.imgur.com/JoUbYLw.png after loading save in valgrind, absolutely useless :(
22:44 <ais523> [Demo]1: 0 from 0, that's far from useless
22:44 <ais523> it rules out several categories of bug entirely
22:44 <rld> <@rikersan> like?
22:44 <ais523> (such as accessing uninitialised memory)
22:45 <ais523> we now know that whatever's causing the bug isn't something that valgrind checks for
22:45 <aosdict> "definitely lost: 576 bytes in 4 blocks"
22:45 <rld> <@rikersan> yay
22:45 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
22:45 <aosdict> > useless
22:45 <ais523> aosdict: oh, that's just a normal memory leak
22:45 <aosdict> yes of course
22:45 <ais523> those can do with being fixed eventually but they don't cause bugs
22:45 <aosdict> but now we know about it :D
22:47 <aosdict> Anyone ever heard of a different memory debugger called Dr Memory? Some people I know swear by it
22:48 <[Demo]1> ughhh yeah its a shitshow
22:48 <[Demo]1> theres a lot of issues it finds with saving
22:48 <[Demo]1> and a  few Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) that include move_bubbles in there
22:49 <ais523> CJMDOUV is the most common "your program's logic is depending on undefined behaviour" warning
22:50 <ais523> obviously, this is not good, as it makes the program incredibly fragile (as we're seeing with the debugger changing whether the program works or not)
22:50 <ais523> with --track-origins=yes you get two stack traces (one for the place the undefined value was used, the other for the place it was allocated), which can help you figure out where the issue comes from
22:50 <[Demo]1> theres a shit load of other issues and the ones relating to save seem bad
22:51 <[Demo]1> Syscall param write(buf) points to uninitialised byte(s) sounds pretty bad and the save functionality is causing it
22:52 <[Demo]1> its possible the game is saving shitty on water plane and its just a shit save
22:52 <ais523> that'll likely (but not necessarily) have the same cause as the CJMDOUV
22:52 <ais523> in both cases the game is likely trying to save something that doesn't exist
22:52 <ais523> so it's just writing some random bit of memory into the save file :-D
22:53 <[Demo]1> well there are 48 CJMDOUVs and only a couple of the other one
22:53 <[Demo]1> and some of them have to do with enexto and other teleport shit
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23:23 <aosdict> !tell AntiGulp I have had some monster ideas kicking around my head for a while, but they're not well suited to xnh because it vaguely conflicts with the goals. If I ever feel like implementing some would you be interested in adding them to splice?
23:23 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
23:24 <rld> <@rikersan> aosdict: if you need some space to jot them down, feel free to use the dnh etherpad(s)
23:24 <bug_sniper> hi
23:24 <Beholder> Hello bug_sniper, Welcome to #hardfought
23:25 <aosdict> dnh etherpads are for dnh. I already have a few of my own
23:25 <bug_sniper> so it looks like amy's been fixing some cross-variant bugs
23:25 <rld> <@rikersan> aight
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23:35 <[Demo]1> Wait did amy fix it?
23:37 <[Demo]1> the item name and screen size bug
23:40 <aosdict> !tell K2 more xnh updates
23:40 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
23:41 <aosdict> bouquet: ^^ artiwishing/artigifting formula changes; random or named artifacts no longer count against you
23:42 <bug_sniper> and she also fixed slashem's bug with pointers to deleted stuff in hallucinated containers
23:43 <rld> <@rikersan> that like 99% never would have been found if it wasn't for slex
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