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You see here a pit viper corpse. 06:05 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:08 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 06:21 -!- hf_guest_3680 has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- hf_guest_3680 has left #hardfought 06:36 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [SeaMonkey 2.49.4/20180713174829]] 06:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] rootkit (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1079 points, T:1767, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 06:53 hothraxxa: I changed that 06:54 Rodney can only double trouble once per resurrection 07:00 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:16 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:42 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:44 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 08:09 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 08:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:25 fiq: he still casts it every time though, right? 09:49 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:53 -!- c0ax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:08 -!- c0ax has joined #hardfought 10:11 Yes, he casts it ASAP 10:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 10:37 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG idea: cthulhu respawns like illurien (nothing or respawn, no curse items or nasties) as long as the silver key is in open inv. Makes him actually dangerous now that he doesn't covetous warp 10:37 Will do, @rikersan! 10:38 hi 10:38 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 10:38 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-09-10 13:01 EDT: pushed some slex commits, including one that fixes a dmonsfree error 10:50 <@Demo> rikersan what? 10:50 <@Demo> he no longer covetous warps? 11:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 11:17 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 11:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [-q $~a] by K2 11:29 -!- [Demo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:42914 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:154, poisoned by a rotted elf corpse, while helpless 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 312 points, T:1029, killed by a djinni 13:01 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:10 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 13:33 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 13:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:53 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:55 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:57 i'm working on my strategy for rodney. Apparently he can be polymorphed? Does this ever work? 13:58 I usually just zap him with a wand of death or hit him with a big pointy stick, so I don't know from experiecne 13:58 He has 100 MR 13:58 that's what I usually do, but I'm looking for an alternative if I run out of charges. 13:59 the big pointy stick not an alternative? 13:59 I don't have the spell or melee power to kill him so /oDeath is my best option. 13:59 the chance of polying him is thus 100 / (100 + your level - his level) 13:59 with +oPoly 13:59 How do you not have the melee power to kill Rodney? 13:59 I'm a weak ass priest. 14:00 since your max level is 30 and his min level is 30, you effectively can't poly him without level draining him significantly. 14:00 And don't even bother trying a wand of polymorph unless you manage to get him down to like level 10. 14:01 maybe I need a better setup with regard to GoP and a better weapon. I'm using +6 Stormbringer and have 18 STR 14:01 I can't wish up any good melee artifacts because I found a well stocked bones with excalibur and mjolnir already. 14:01 bouquet: With a sensible +6 artifact weapon no-one is "weak ass". That will murder Rodney just fine. Stormy even means you can do permanent damage to him before trapping him on the stairs. 14:02 that's a big enough pointy stick, yes 14:02 I've only ever had luck killing him quickly as a high level wizard with MM or as a samurai with dual sabres. 14:02 raisse: it doesn't even need to be pointy! sceptre of might works very nicely for cavepeople 14:03 yes, or the staff of A for healers 14:03 my problem is he summons so many baddies that I end up getting mobbed. Maybe I should incorporate fighting in tighter quarters into my strategy. 14:03 sceptre of might works fine for lawful priests, too 14:03 bouquet: Or ignore them as they tickle away your 300-odd HP 14:03 Or wait for me to fix summonstorming somehow. 14:03 raisse: sceptre was my original plan, but there's too many artis already :( 14:04 Also unless this changed in 3.6.x, you could just use Mjollnir or Excalibur if Stormy wasn't already an excellent option. 14:04 bouquet: that is now fixed in code 14:04 if not on hdf 14:04 aosdict: is it bad form to ask for a copy of my save so I can experiment with strategies locally? 14:04 Yes, and K2 wouldn't give it to you anyway. 14:04 bouquet: if you can wield stormbringer you can't wield the sceptre and vice versa, I think 14:05 fairnuff 14:05 ya, I'm chaotic 14:05 then you can only wield the sceptre with HoOA (which will do away with any divine protection) 14:05 raisse: You should be able to wield Stormbringer as non-chaotic, right/ 14:05 I wouldn't know because I hate the thing so I avoid it :-/ 14:05 Yes, but you might get blasted 14:06 Pinkbeast: how does stormy do permanent damage to rodney? 14:06 hothraxxa: Level drain. (Don't tell me this changed, too?) 14:07 It did not change. 14:07 you can drain him in the current melee. when he reincarnates, he still gets his usual +1 14:07 hothraxxa: Yes, that's also true. 14:07 but is that +1 on top of the level he dies at, or +1 on top of the level he spawned at last time? 14:08 The latter 14:08 the +1 is to his level when the previous melee started, so the draining doesn't do permanent damage 14:08 I think it's a simple misunderstanding over "permanent" - I mean, permanent on this Rodney, unlike HP damage that he can just heal up. 14:08 gah, then it's hardly useful unless you do want to poly him 14:08 ah. right then 14:09 i don't like to melee rodney because of the cursing 14:09 mobs aren't that tough if you carry a horn 14:09 and some wands of teleport 14:09 Even so. You would need like 20 drainings of him, minimum, to even get a few % chance to polymorph him. At which point you probably could have killed him a couple times. 14:09 I don't like to, but I do probably have 30-odd PoHW and umpteen SoRC, so the cursing's more of an annoyance. 14:10 aosdict: I'm not suggesting drain-and-poly, just drain-and-murder. :-) 14:10 So to answer bouquet's question: it's not worth it to try to poly him. 14:10 if i get that much hw, i use it. i don't carry it around 14:10 Use it for what? 14:11 blessing stuff silly 14:11 * hothraxxa dips pinkbeast in a potion of holy water 14:11 I'd rather bless the stuff that's especially bad to have cursed but save my HW to use where it's needed than preemptively bless everything. 14:11 Pinkbeast turns into a pink jelly! hothraxxa turns to flee. 14:12 Ah yeah, the good old "blessed greased lizard corpse" 14:13 Pinkbeast: There's a tradeoff, particularly when you're getting ready for the ascension run and don't want to _carry_ all of your holy water for weight reasons. 14:13 ^^^ 14:13 jonadab: I leave the rest in care packages. 14:13 (The fact that this happens is a sign that too many potions don't have other worthwhile uses besides blanking.) 14:14 jonadab: more a reflection that you reach a game stage where this is true 14:14 For many potions there's no other stage, they're water fodder out the door. 14:14 And yes, also the fact that resources are not scarce in the late game. 14:15 But yeah, there are several potions that have no other meaningful use. 14:15 I like that in some variants unicorn horns don't heal stat damage 14:15 Booze has another use, but you usually have lighter-weight sources of confusion, so it's usually not worth carrying for that. 14:16 fruit juice _theoretically_ has a use, but nobody ever carries it for nutrition, because no. 14:16 * hothraxxa notes jonadab is wearing a button that says "let's nerf unihorns and make restore ability potions great again!" 14:16 See invisible you only need one blessed potion all game, the rest are water. 14:16 Sickness only has another use for some roles/alignments. 14:17 And that use causes stack-splitting, which makes people not want to do it. 14:17 Fruit juice> the use is "hope it's smoky this game" :-) 14:17 confusion is in the same category as booze. 14:17 I'm trying to make hallucination useful in Fourk, but it's debatable whether I've made much progress on that. 14:17 restore ability, we've got plans for that one. 14:18 sleeping exists purely to complicate the ID game, there's no reason to ever quaff it on purpose. 14:18 i think i've tossed sleeping a few times 14:18 Potion of blindness is obviated by common tool items, which are re-usable and weigh less. 14:18 Yes, I want to make throwing the negative potions better. 14:19 That would help somewhat. Doesn't solve the whole problem, though. 14:19 Potion of invisibility, in practice is generally going to get blanked. 14:19 there is ONE reason to quaff sleeping on purpose: when it's smoky and blessed and you're sleep resistant. 14:20 !WHO 14:20 monster and object detection frequently get blanked, though these are more arguably useful; I think more people might carry them for their intended use if they weighed less and could be carried in the open without boiling/freezing. 14:20 !who 14:20 FIQ: [hdf-us] Nobbs [nh343] ahrimen [fh] hypnotist [nh362] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [slex] spontiff [nh362] Raisse [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 14:20 rip au 14:20 raisse: Ok, yes, smoky potions. But that's only one kind per game, out of all these. 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:47541 14:20 Potion of levitation theoretically has a use, but players usually prefer more reliable means of levitation. 14:21 Monster detection is mostly useless imo. Maybe if there's a mind flayer you want to avoid 14:21 Though levitation can also be used in alchemy. 14:21 PeterQ: Blindness + telepathy obviates it for that. 14:21 perhaps the potion should give a much longer duration than it does 14:21 when blessed 14:21 it gives 60 turns I think? 14:21 That might help a bit, but I'm still not sure it'd get used much. 14:21 monster detection that is 14:22 Potion of acid, there's one everyone uses. Granted, it's rare. 14:22 Paralysis ought to be useful for throwing. 14:22 colour alchemy (which i hate) mixes things up 14:22 I feel that color alchemy is very much the wrong way to rebalance and mix-up alchemy. 14:23 I do think alchemy needs some adjustments. 14:23 did i mention i hate it? 14:23 I just don't feel that's the right kind of adjustment. 14:23 Yeah, I don't like it either. 14:23 because i really hate it 14:23 Potion of acid? For what? As a stoning cure that might get destroyed by a trap? 14:23 PeterQ: I was being sarcastic. 14:23 Oh, my bad 14:24 in a variant i played, you can fooproof potions, just sayin' 14:24 I don't like color alchemy at all 14:24 LarienTelrunya and I discussed a "use items directly out of bag" approach during Junethack 14:24 The balance is silly, it is completely random and luck-based 14:24 Moreover, potions aren't paint buckets 14:24 FIQ: Yeah, that is pretty much my position. 14:24 It makes no flavour sense 14:25 jonadab: Invisibility and see invisible are one-shots mainly because they can give an intrinsic for the rest of the game. 14:25 aosdict: Agreed. 14:25 It's tempting to give them a (long) timeout. 14:25 Like, a few thousand turns. 14:25 Invisibility from the potion is not permanent 14:25 The current system makes some kind of sense flavour-wise, but really needs rebalancing (1+1=2 or 1+1=1 would fix this) 14:25 it is, when the potion is blessed 14:25 PeterQ: in vanilla, blessed invis and see invis are permanent 14:26 PeterQ: Everybody who wants permenent invisibility gets it, by eating stalkers usually. 14:26 i try to identify see invisible in the early game 14:26 I have 2 tins of stalker meat in my stash but I'm still not sure if I want to be perma-invis 14:26 Oh, I didn't know that 14:26 raisse: Exactly. 14:26 jonadab: FIQ: what are your thoughts on gem alchemy, with fixed recipes (i.e. not color-based recipes)? 14:26 it's the potion that tastes like fruit juice that the deli won't buy :-) 14:26 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:26 aosdict: How would it work? 14:26 like, ruby + acid always makes full healing 14:26 aosdict: Gems aren't scarce. 14:27 Oh, if it only works with acid, I am ok with it. 14:27 Because acid is rare. 14:27 So like dNetHack 14:27 jonadab: the existing gem alchemy patch is basically color alchemy but with dipping gems in acid. 14:27 except without the paint concept 14:27 dnethack has a lot of systems I am not aware of 14:27 You can dip gems in acid 14:27 to make new potions 14:28 yes but they are color-based aren't they? 14:28 Yes 14:28 yes 14:28 in dnh 14:28 which has the same pitfalls as color alchemy 14:29 hence "except without the paint concept" 14:29 and flavor problems 14:29 aosdict: Unless d makes acid way less rare than in vanilla, I don't think it would create a balance problem. Flavor problem, yes. 14:29 so yes, that, except instead of a recipe being associated with an appearance, it's associated with a specific potion. 14:30 obsidian + acid = potion of blindness. Etc. 14:30 And yeah, associating specific gems with sepecific effects is better flavor. Use ancient lore if possible. 14:30 Greek or Roman old wives tales, etc. 14:30 Like the way amethyst works as a de-alcoholifier. 14:30 jonadab: acid is way less rare in dnethack. You can get 100+ potions because lots of intelligent monsters get them in gehemnon 14:30 Ah. 14:31 Didn't know that. 14:31 Too bad there's no hangover cure potion, because the gem with the strongest lore is amethyst 14:31 Haven't played dnethack lately. 14:31 aosdict: A lot of gems have weird lore. 14:31 It's just not always encoded in the name. 14:31 The only problem with this system is it'd be a dnethack-scale spoiler tax. 14:31 dnh has alcoholic resistance 14:31 but not the drawbacks 14:31 it promotes alcoholism 14:33 is it still possible to mass-produce wands of wishing with golden breath in dnh? 14:34 <@Theyflower> What 14:34 What is golden breath? 14:34 I don't remember things exactly, but there's a demon lord that converts your stuff to gold material-wise 14:35 If wands of wishing happens to be of the given appearance, you can get a bunch of them 14:35 or could 14:39 Yeah, since dnh sensibly avoided the "gold platinum wand" thing, it would just convert the entire wand over to what "gold wand" would be 14:43 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 14:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:47 assorted elves 14:48 mmm 14:48 they're yummy! 14:50 if tolkien had been alive to see nethack, he would have recoiled in shock 14:51 Imagine how he would feel about the state of modern fantasy fiction. 14:56 is... there something wrong with the state of modern fantasy fiction? 14:57 like, objectively? 14:57 besides the romance vampire series? it's the same as 50 years ago? 14:57 what is an example of a current popular fantasy literature? 14:58 romance vampire series 14:58 you mean twilight? 14:59 is twilight good or bad? 14:59 yes 14:59 I have heard very polarizing opinions on it 14:59 people like it or hate it 14:59 its a mix 14:59 I would consider a song of ice and fire and the wheel of time to be "current popular fantasy literature", at least epic fantasy 15:00 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:00 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:05 i put forward the lonely werewolf girl 15:05 !tell K2 pushed a fix 15:05 Will do, FIQ! 15:05 @Winsalot fixed 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh362] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 448 points, T:1630, killed by a werejackal 15:06 if 'wheel of time' is current, lord of the rings is as well 15:06 hah i was thinking i've been hearing about those books almost all my life 15:06 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:07 a song of ice and fire is a good argument, though. but every time that is mentioned, it is also mentioned that it is exceptional fantasy 15:07 bhaak: I mean, the last wheel of time book was published in 2013. 15:07 their starts are only six years apart 15:08 thanks FIQ, pulling now 15:08 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-09-11 15:05 EDT: pushed a fix 15:08 and yes, both it and ASOIAF are both long-running series 15:09 as someone who started following fantasy novels well over 50 years ago, i am of the firm opinion that grr martin sucks as a writer 15:09 i mean he's REALLY bad 15:09 aosdict: but it began in 1990 and couldn't have been ended long before his death if he didn't drag it out 15:09 I read 1 page and that turned me off completely 15:09 *could have been 15:09 but that wasn't even the bad writing, but it had a aftermath-of-battle scene in which a soldier raped a young girl 15:09 FIQhack updated (all servers) 15:10 written as if that was just a natural consequence of having fought, a fact of life 15:10 so no, grrm is not for me 15:11 i watch the tv series though 15:12 Well, it is indisputably *popular* fantasy literature, whatever anyone's personal opinions are. 15:12 hothraxxa: I thought it's about the sex, not the writing? 15:12 for that matter, Dan Brown is also popular fantasy literature 15:12 the only way for me to do that would be to have a subscription to some service, because I don't think it's on Dutch public TV (and anyway we don't have a set) 15:12 I don't care enough to do that 15:13 it's on German free TV :-) 15:13 dubbed in German I expect 15:13 likely 15:13 (that's actually how I learned German, watching dubbed Star Trek) 15:13 dan brown 15:13 bhaak: I would think Dan Brown is better classified as thriller genre than fantasy. All of the stories I can recall don't really have fantastical elements. 15:13 what did he write again 15:13 if you didn't like that after-battle scene, then you wouldn't like the tv series 15:13 oh yeah, da vinci code and stuff 15:13 I guessed I wouldn't 15:14 if anyone hasn't read that "Renowned Author Dan Brown" satire piece, I highly recommend it :) 15:14 seconded ^^ 15:14 aosdict: only because 'illogical scavenger hunt' is not a genre you'll find in a book store 15:15 how is it that no one has mention the bespectacled wizard kid yet? 15:15 harry potter? 15:15 maybe because they were intended as children's books 15:15 but had multigenerational appeal 15:15 were they? 15:16 the first few anyway 15:16 philosopher's stone is definitely a children's book 15:16 in the English tradition of school books 15:16 some of the best fantasy came that way, you know 15:16 maybe the series started that way 15:16 yeah, it was supposed that the reader grow with the characters in the book 15:16 my eldest daughter was almost the right age, got the first for her 7th birthday 15:16 More adult themes the later you went in the series 15:17 I remember going to a book 7 release event 15:17 More complex characters, more violence, etc 15:18 I'm not a big fan of the HP movies, but the books all hold up pretty well for me, barring a few plot holes 15:18 I think the Deathly Hallows movies are actuallly better than the book (not the other ones, just that one) 15:19 in particular I don't like the costume choices of "wizard clothes? nah" in the later movies 15:19 I haven't read the books in over a decade 15:19 reading/movie notes https://valdyas.org/irina/fo3/books/rereading-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows/ 15:19 I have seen the movies somewhat recently 15:19 I reread the books in the last couple of months 15:20 Whats the status of the /dev/null tourney this year? 15:20 Saw Deathly Hallows II on a plane trip when I went back home from Thailand last winter 15:20 /dev/null is dead, long live /dev/null! 15:20 tacco|: there's no devnull tourney this year but something else is in the frantic stages of planning 15:21 but a new tournament will possibly replace it 15:21 tacco|: check the stickied post on the nethack subreddit 15:21 there will definitely be a tournament in november 15:21 or on rgrn 15:22 /dev/null is dead, long live tnnt 15:22 "The November NetHack Tournament is a go" - that is all i wanted :) thanks 15:23 tacco|: there is a channel #tnnt and you can lurk there to follow developments 15:24 it's very quiet now though 15:25 YANI: When you escape the dungeon, it immediately angers your god, so your end of game enlightenment shows them being mad at you (for turning tail and abandoning the mission) 15:25 true but when things happen, they'll be discussed there 15:25 why is it running trunk instead of 3.6.1? 15:25 because bugfixes 15:26 there is exactly 1 actual new gameplay feature in 3.6.2 15:27 it used to be zero but then paxed happened. grumble grumble :) 15:27 the spider webs? 15:28 yes 15:28 paxed better prepare for everyone to start yelling at him, because as implemented they're currently really annoying 15:29 (yelling at him after playing in the tournament and having to go down a web filled corridor) 15:29 (with no way to get rid of them) 15:31 yes, I do like the 'F' way to get rid of spider web 15:32 raisse: also in vanilla "Sting cuts through the web!" ... doesn't actually destroy the web. 15:40 I thought it would, and was willing to name Sting for it (already had Magicbane after all, and didn't need any other artifacts as a wiz) but I didn't have an elven dagger. 15:40 paxed is actually a very okay guy face to face (I met him at worldcon in helsinki) 15:41 https://valdyas.org/irina/fo3/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/paxedauthorselfie.jpg <-- paxed and me 15:42 he looks amicable in all the pics i've seen of him 15:42 granted, that's like 3 15:43 he's a lot shorter than I expected (about my height, 166cm) 15:44 That photo makes him look several inches taller than you. 15:44 he's also got such a damn nice English voice 15:45 yes but I was crouching behind his shoulder for the selfie 15:45 lots of finns have a really nice accent in English 15:46 yes, but they are never good drivers 15:46 it's either driving skill or English 15:46 I wouldn't know, I prefer public transport anyway 15:47 * raisse is so bad a driver that nobody has ever given me a driving licence 15:47 the formula 1 and rally drivers are notorious for terrible English 15:47 I have a father-in-law and a daughter who are good drivers, that's enough for me 15:47 Americans are notoriously bad drivers. Checks out. 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3566 15:48 also priests/ministers (literally all priests and ministers I've been in a car with while they were driving) 15:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3833 15:50 [hdf-us] [nh362] jmcunx (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 906 points, T:3834, killed by a pony 15:54 aosdict: also the colored staircases, or is that hdf-specific? 15:54 and there seems to be something about ascending with Schrodinger's Cat (in end.c) 15:54 as a cat? 15:54 I love the colored staircases 15:55 hothraxxa: no, *with* the cat 15:56 yes. the cat AS a cat? 15:56 while it's still a cat (I ascended with Schrodinger's Cat once, but it was an Aleax by then) 15:56 yes 15:56 I thought you meant you as a cat 15:56 as a housecat, specifically 15:56 I don't read C fluently so I don't know minutiae 15:56 no. my choice is woodchuck 15:56 cat = odds_and_ends(box, CAT_CHECK); <- this is somehow funny 15:57 <@Demo> ohh this is new to 3.6? 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1756 points, T:2985, killed by a sewer rat 15:58 I don't know, didn't notice it earlier 15:58 if you really want to know you can check earlier versions (I don't feel called to do that) 15:58 Muad: before seeing that picture with raisse, the only picture I had of paxed was his github avatar which is hard to make out 15:58 raisse: the colored staircases is from the hdf build 15:58 are* 15:58 and now you also know what I look like! 15:59 well that wasn't the first time you posted that particular photo 15:59 aosdict, i think they were all RopeCon pics (a Finnish RPG con) 15:59 but it was the same photo, so. 16:00 but yes paxed looks very genial 16:00 aosdict: ah, I thought that was only on the teamsplat channel but it must have been here 16:01 (because afaik aosdict has never been in teamsplat though we would gladly have him) 16:01 but I want to form clan "teenage nethack ninja turtles" 16:01 oh wow, yes, do that please 16:01 luckily the only other people who came up with it are ootc 16:01 LarienTelrunya: team slexy robber nyphets for devnull? 16:02 we like interesting opponents :-) 16:02 bouquet: you bet that I'll make a team again :D 16:02 aosdict: "him" is correct, no? 16:02 <@Demo> yeah esm needs a team for TNNT 16:02 <@Demo> can there be an esm team for TNNT? 16:03 I just like the name 16:03 raisse: this is the internet, pronouns are meaningless 16:03 true but I don't like to misgender people 16:03 if I can help it 16:03 <@Demo> everyone is cyber and a robot so an it 16:03 except in nethack where we have uhis() and uhim() 16:04 bouquet: how about "titillating noxico nymphet titties" for our team :P 16:04 (all those who don't know what noxico is, you don't even want to know...) 16:04 %s/titties/bewbs 16:04 (for myself, "he" is the only thing I take issue with, "she" and "they" and all sorts of made-up pronouns are perfectly all right) 16:04 * aosdict expects that name would likely be denied by admins 16:04 <@Demo> yeah k2 likes to have some level of chill yeah yeah yeah 16:05 <@Demo> just come up with a new slex pun 16:05 I take no responsibility for the team name. 16:05 <@Demo> like the homoslexuals 16:05 LOL 16:05 weill I sure hope I don't have to make an ultra political correct team name... 16:06 Make SLEX great again 16:06 so, SLASHTHEM? 16:07 let's no go overboard, here. 16:07 ^^ what you get when you make SLEX great again 16:07 16:07 I just like absurd things so SLEX tickles my funnybone 16:08 aosdict: play slashthem *bundlebundlebundle* then you'll see why slex is so much better :P 16:13 <@Demo> i like slex for the same reason i like convenience store hamburgers 16:15 that's almost a "I like my slex like I like my coffee" 16:15 you never know what mystery meat is lurking between the buns? 16:19 LarienTelrunya: Do confused scrolls of enchant/destroy armor work in slex work like in vanilla? 16:19 PeterQ: Yes, except that you might be able to target the enchant armor one (but not the destroy armor one, unless that one's blessed). 16:20 Confused noncursed enchant armor will fooproof your armor, and you can select which one :) 16:20 that seems like it goes against the point of being confused 16:20 And also repair, I assume? 16:20 yeah 16:20 yes 16:21 aosdict: true, but I think it's just annoying to have to remove everything except the thing you want to target. Why not have some QoL improvements? ;) 16:21 in Elona, you can always target the item that can be enchanted with both enchant armor and weapon, which is much more convenient! 16:22 and in that game you can even target things that are not equipped ;) 16:37 <@Tone> but hoping you don't die while you're enchanting stuff naked is half the fun 16:38 "The black dragon breathes --More-- You have died." 16:48 LarienTelrunya: The invisible wereblacklight explodes! You are caught in a blast of kaleidoscopic light! Program in disorder. 16:49 Actually, before the "Program in disorder" was this line "You are freaked out. But wait... del_light_source: not found type=0, id=0x2d4e590" 16:49 PeterQ: yeah, known issue; saving the game and reloading should fix it 16:49 wereblacklights are known to cause that, but I don't know exactly how to fix it 16:53