00:02 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:41607 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Rog Orc Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:41608 00:04 -!- dell30 has joined #hardfought 00:07 -!- captain42 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh362] Eleven (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:42270 00:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:31 K2: I'm back! Any good info in the logs from my last xnh crash? 00:31 bouquet: he hadn't applied the fix yet 00:32 it's updated now 00:32 cool. 00:32 K2: can you kill that current game of mine and restore? 00:33 just did 00:33 thanks! 00:33 What do you want to eat? [aLOT or ?*] 00:33 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 00:34 K2: last update to 0.3.x assuming no more bugfixes which have been especially rampant lately... 00:35 I'll try not to break it any more. 00:35 * aosdict is dreading releasing crashy polyinit 00:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:43 !who 00:43 K2: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] tizakit [nh4] Eleven [nh362] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 00:47 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:48 !whereis bouquet 00:48 aosdict: [hdf-us] bouquet [xnh]: (Pri Elf Fem Cha) T:2865 The Gnomish Mines level: 5 00:48 whereis confirmed working for xnh. take that 00:52 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a red naga hatchling corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:3518 00:54 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 00:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 3485 points, T:3734, killed by an ape 00:57 yay 01:05 Crash! You can see again. 01:06 * raisse is at the castle 01:06 using charm monster as an offensive spell 01:07 Harriet the fire giant got killed but I've got a troll and an ettin making short work of the Yendorian Army 01:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 387 points, T:1190, killed by a dwarf 01:08 is Harriet named after anyone? 01:08 only I wish master mind flayers didn't exist (plain mind flayers already don't exist, courtesy of Neferet's throne) 01:08 no, it's just a female name starting with H 01:08 I'll name the ettin as soon as he or she swings his or her weapon 01:10 Hm, are master mind flayers an invention of NetHack? 01:10 ... and in the middle of a battle, the captain takes the time to put on a pair of walking shoes. 01:11 possibly, I don't think they occur in D&D 01:11 http://www.lomion.de/cmm/mindflay.php 01:12 that's regular mind flayer 01:12 not sure about mmf 01:12 moar tentacles! 01:13 mmf may be a nethaxck thing 01:13 regular mind flayers were bad enough in ad&d 01:13 YASI: praying mantis, a. When you reduce it to low HP, it prays and becomes invincible for a few turns before restoring to full health. 01:15 The neighborhood is friendlier. The incubus pretends to be friendly. 01:15 good to know you're only pretending, Inky. 01:16 lol I made a lieutenant peaceful 01:17 "you and which army? me and THIS army!" 01:19 hm, I thought I had a scroll of charging 01:19 apparently not 01:20 ah yes, I do, it was still identified 01:21 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Dra Ang Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:37111 01:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1789 01:29 argh and *now* I get a throne genocide 01:34 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Dra Ang Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 helm of telepathy", on T:37641 01:39 -!- dell30 has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given the Kiku-ichimonji, on T:2527 01:39 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:47 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:56 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Dra Ang Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:38766 01:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:13 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 02:17 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:22 !iwanttoreadmymessagespleasedeliverthem 02:22 Mandevil: Messages from @Luxidream, aosdict, and K2 have been forwarded to you privately. 02:23 K2: I think E-conduct tracking should work right away. 02:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 29513 points, T:9216, killed by a grove guardian, while sleeping 02:24 aosdict: Ad the polyinit mode... another day, another dev invents new xlogfile field. 02:24 aosdict: Why couldn't you just use the "mode" field that nh4-variants use? 02:25 !tell K2 alright, SLEX 2.32 is ready now at the master branch, obviously breaks saves (sorry). If you do decide to put it on hdf, please make sure to use the updated makefile (in sys/unix) so that the Hus, Mas and Acu quests (for newly added roles) are compiled into the game :) 02:25 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2018-08-28 10:41 EDT: so the solid and dashed arrows should be swapped? corrected. 02:25 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:43 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 02:48 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:21 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 03:21 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 03:49 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:13 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:28 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 04:41 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 04:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:01 -!- attie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 05:03 Mandevil: polyinit should already be a gamemode 05:03 NH4 has it 05:03 oh 05:03 you mentioned it 05:04 nvm 05:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1794 05:18 that was hard 05:19 had to chase him 2 levels down and teleport to the upstairs and write scare monster (which I hadn't formally identified, but fortunately "scroll called scare (GARVEN DEH)" was in my discoveries so I could write GARVEN DEH) 05:19 before that, he kept teleporting away to recover 05:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5126 points, T:2195, killed by a watchman 05:32 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:48 !lastgame 05:48 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/V/Vis/dnethack/dumplog/1535524935.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/P/PeterQ/slex/dumplog/1535535156.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1533813217.dnh.txt 06:24 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:30 Mandevil: so far a principle of xnh has been not to change something from the way it works in vanilla unless there's a good reason to. 06:31 What does nh4 even do, print the game modes as comma separated strings? 06:32 IIRC, yes, in an xlogfile field "modes" or something similar 06:36 !tell K2 on the login screen, it still says nh361 to the right of the line after "Edit options". Regards, the Department of Nit Picking 06:36 Will do, elenmirie_! 06:36 !tell K2 on the EU server 06:36 Will do, elenmirie_! 06:37 bhaak: what does it do with the remaining flag for "did/did not load bones" then? 06:45 aosdict: Vanilla has 'flags' field? 06:46 ...yes? I certainly didn't invent it. 06:46 It's the one that is used for conducts too? 06:46 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:47 No, conducts is its own thing, and then bonesless (not a conduct in vanilla) is stuck in flags. 06:47 I never said this was well-designed. :P 06:47 Some conducts got stuck into flags. 06:47 Not sure if in vanilla, but some non-vanilla have. 06:48 Actually I'm confusing this with achieve field. 06:49 In xnh I did also change the behavior of flags to use 8 bits for bones, because I felt like 1 bit was losing information. But I don't think the NHS concerns itself with bones so that shouldn't matter? 06:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:52 aosdict: bones loading is prohibited with nh4 in solo mode. AFAIK there's no other way of preventing bones loading 06:54 bhaak: yeah but it's still possible to play a game without any bones, e.g. on a fresh install. so that just isn't recorded if it happens? 06:56 aosdict: I see nothing that keeps track of that. that should be in getbones() or calls to it but I see nothing 06:57 well then I will keep my system which puts the total number of bones into the xlog :P 07:01 unnethack tracks and puts it in the dumplog but AFAIR not in the xlogfile 07:07 why are you screwing around with bits instead of just adding a new field "bones"? 07:08 bit operations suck. unless you know the code, you can't correctly interpret bitfields in xlogfiles 07:11 perhaps should add a bones field and change the name of "flags" to "mode" and make it a string 07:11 * aosdict waits for Mandevil to yell at him 07:13 did he already yell at you when you changed the semantics of "flags"? 07:14 no, because as I said I doubt the scoreboard cares about flags beyond 0x1 and 0x2 07:15 but xnethack will never have a bit set in 0x4 where 3.6 does? 07:16 the current state of flags is that the 9th to 16th bits are the number of bones files. I mean, I could have aligned that with the 3rd through the 10th bits but that seemed foolish. 07:19 it would. but if you also set the 3rd bit, the flags field would be still compatible with 3.6. that is, if somebody makes an 3.6 xlogfile parser, it would also work correctly with a xnethack xlogfile 07:23 I mean, I suppose I could punt polyinit mode to 0x8. But if you're trying to parse out non-scoring games, xnethack still needs more than a 3.6 xlogfile parser, since polyinit mode doesn't exist in vanilla. 07:25 but in other variants. but yeah, a vanilla-only parser will not exclude those 07:26 what happens in vanilla in case of a trickery? I don't think there is a general "this game is invalid/junk/non-scoring game" 07:27 well it'll go into the xlogfile as killer=trickery 07:28 junethack gets the fields "mode","modes", and "gamemode" and looks there for non-scoring games 07:53 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 07:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 08:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:20 hi 08:20 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 08:20 K2: Messages from LarienTelrunya and elenmirie_ have been forwarded to you privately. 08:20 OMG THE SPAM 08:20 kidding 08:23 thanks elenmirie_ - fixed 08:29 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 13765 points, T:7749, killed by a gray unicorn 08:35 <@Tone> Does 36x track bones in the dungeon overview? 08:36 <@Theyflower> I'm pretty sure it doesn't 08:36 does any other variant outside of wizmode? 08:39 Yeah, 36x does. Doesn't it come through in the dumplog? 08:42 <@Tone> Yeah I think the dumplog prints the entire overview 08:43 <@Tone> !lastgame tonelive 08:43 @Tone: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/toneLive/nethack4/dumplog/2018-08-18%2020%3A25%3A25%2C%20toneLive-Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/t/toneLive/nh343/dumplog/1534626925.nh343.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/t/toneLive/nh343/dumplog/1530318280.nh343.txt 08:44 <@Tone> heh no 361 08:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:48 "Final resting place of ..." 08:50 it goes by "whether the current hero has seen the map location where each old one died" 08:51 <@Tone> Yeah you have to have seen it otherwise it could be abused with #overview 08:52 <@Tone> You could be killed by a purple L upon entering the level an never know if it was a bones level or not 08:52 but even if the death square has been picked clean, you get that info 08:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53 as there is no guarantee for ghost or grave 08:53 \ 08:53 not a 100% correct solution 08:53 <@Tone> Right 08:55 -!- lonjil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:55 interesting, that's a feature added by pat. that's oddly pragmatic code for his usual coding 09:01 bhaak: was your 1.3d repo ever updated to 1.4f? 09:02 K2: of course not, it's 1.3d 09:02 well 09:02 this makes me sad 09:04 why? 09:04 doesnt 1.4f have a rather significant bugfix regarding spellbooks and not crashing a game? 09:05 i thought that cost someone a promising game during junethack this year 09:05 * K2 is currently on an update roll and is now thinking about nethack 1.x 09:06 hg log | grep -i backport | wc -l -> 5 09:07 'bug fixes backported from NetHack 1.4f', 'Backport fix for zero'ing u from NetHack 3.1.0', 'Backport of fix for makemon panic from NetHack 2.2a', 'Backport of polymorph items crash from NetHack 3.0.0' 09:07 your words confuse and frighten me 09:07 kidding :P 09:07 'Backport of gifted spellbooks crash fix from NetHack 1.4f' <- that was the one I missed 09:07 i see 09:07 the 1.3d contains already several fixes over the original release but you can't catch all of them :-) 09:09 heh 09:09 when you have free time can you add that fix to the repo? i'll recompile and update hdf's copy 09:10 it is already pushed 09:10 sweet 09:10 and please forgive me, i just downed an extra strength 5 hr energy drink 09:10 and you possibly already installed it :-) 09:10 hrm 09:10 may 20th is last time i compiled 09:11 okay, then not. last commit is from beginning of july 09:11 alrighty 09:11 ugh, whats the commands again? i am not familiar with hg 09:11 i killed those brain cells that held that info 09:12 I know nothing about hg except that you're supposed to use Git instead 09:13 hg pull 09:13 -!- captain42 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:13 and hg update IIRC 09:14 thanks 09:14 nice, hg log works too 09:15 can see your july 2nd commit 09:15 PavelB: "I want to drive with a bike" "here, take this formula one car. it's faster and has four wheels. you just need to learn this 150 easy to remember commands" 09:15 ok for 1.3d it's just 'make' and then make install' if i remember correctly... ? 09:16 bhaak: Just because there *are* 150 commands doesn't mean you need to know them all. 09:16 PavelB: you're gonna lose this argument ;) 09:18 nice, 1.3d is updated on hdf-us 09:18 lets knock out the other 2 09:18 PavelB: unfortunately, you need to know many of them, sooner or later. 09:19 Nah 09:19 add, commit, push, pull, merge, checkout 09:20 what about reset? 09:20 revert? 09:20 NetHack 1.3d updated (all servers) 09:20 I've never used revert 09:20 thanks bhaak 09:21 I suppose reset can be useful to 09:21 *too 09:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:21 Oh and clone, duh 09:21 cherry-pick 09:21 rebase 09:21 Nah, never used those, never want to learn how 09:22 It seems hard 09:22 when i need to do something complex with github, i issue the 'Tangles help' command 09:22 if you have more than one branch, you'd need cherry-pick. 09:22 -!- lonjil has joined #hardfought 09:22 Nah 09:23 rebase is not necessary but if you don't use it, your commit graph will look ugly 09:23 I don't cherry pick, I reset to the relevant commit and make a new branch from there :P 09:23 and if you have a fix that has to go in master and a branch? 09:24 depending on the situation, either diff/patch or cp 09:24 Not git commands 09:24 that's cheating :-} 09:25 So what? 09:25 you're leaving the version control domain for stuff that should be within :-) 09:25 How do you do these things in hg, anyway? 09:25 K2: "I am not familiar with hg... I killed those brain cells" <-- I read this as you got mercury poisoning 09:26 well yeah of course ;) 09:26 ' 09:26 whoops 09:26 <[Demo]> heh 09:27 bhaak: I assume hg has something similar to branches and commits, is the equivalent of cherry-picking somehow easier with it? 09:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 812 points, T:894, killed by a gnome lord 09:29 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 09:30 PavelB: on a higher level they are the same. both are decentralised version control system after all. but hg is more consistent than git. just as an example: removing the last commit from the repository is "git reset --hard HEAD~1" vs "hg rollback". 09:31 you often need to know the internals of git to make sense of its commands 09:32 Come to think of it, I've never used reset without it being followed by --hard 09:32 I don't even know what it does when you don't put --hard 09:33 the reset commits are left as changes in your working copy 09:34 hah, paxed added my pokemon YAFM to vanilla 09:35 What YAFM? 09:35 "A wild [hallumon] appeared!" 09:35 Ah, yes 09:35 That was already in xnh, wasn't it? 09:36 yes 09:36 he also credited me with the leprechaun dodge message but I took it from FIQ 09:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:43 <[Demo]> how does leprechaun dodge work? 09:44 when you swing at a leprechaun it can jump out of the way. previously this didn't print a message 09:45 <[Demo]> what's the chance of it happening? 09:45 dunno 09:45 fairly common 09:46 You probably didn't notice it because it didn't print a message :P 09:46 <[Demo]> add something about lucky charms when hallucinating 09:46 <[Demo]> no I noticed it and it was always weird to me 09:46 <[Demo]> I thought maybe their size and speed did something weird 09:47 if (Hallucination) verbalize("They're after me lucky charms!"); <-- YANI 09:47 hah 09:48 aosdict: I think the issue with that is that while hallucinating you can't tell it's a leprechaun 09:48 PavelB: that's actually brilliant though 09:48 that lets you know it's a leprechaun 09:49 <[Demo]> see I have good ideas sometimes 09:49 hallucination isn't meant to obscure _everything_ 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3540 09:49 But since you don't *know* it's a leprechaun, and it's *your* mind that's making you hear the message... 09:49 like, "You hear the heisenbug's hissing!" ok well I know this is a cockatrice 09:49 Right, but that makes sense because it's the cockatrice doing the hissing 09:50 but it's also your mind that's making the hallucinations 09:50 As in, there is actually hissing happening, you're not making it up 09:50 so your mind knows the truth, it can distort it any way it likes 09:51 It would make sense if leprechauns *normally* said something when you attacked them, and the hallucination caused that message to be warped 09:51 Yeah, I see your point. How about leprechauns say that when chatted to? 09:51 but it's still goofy enough that it seems like it should be hallucinatory 09:52 Or, what if they behaved like imps? 09:52 And then give imps some funny demonic maledictions while hallucinating 09:53 Also angelic maledictions. Like, "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!" should clearly be a hallucination thing 09:54 is it not? 09:55 I'm certain I've never heard that message in all my trips to the Astral Plane, none of which were hallucinating 09:55 The wiki shows it together with the other angelic maledictions 09:55 yeah but it's last or near last, right? 09:55 Yes 09:56 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Angelic_and_demonic_maledictions 09:56 I think somewhere in the code there's one of those if (Hallucination) /* use a slightly larger rn2 for looking up the malediction */ 09:56 <@Tone> Maybe there could be a lucky charms yafm for entering a lep hall while hallu 09:57 @Tone vanilla already has a Tony the Tiger YAFM. Clearly we should add in ALL the breakfast cereals. 09:57 * PavelB tries to come up with leprechaun dialog 09:58 <@Tone> Wow you actually could do yafms for most of them 09:58 I assume cheerios would belong to bee hives 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a sling on an altar, on T:3903 09:59 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 09:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 10:02 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07 <@IceBox> 362 is out? 10:08 <@IceBox> Coolness 10:09 no 10:10 3.6.2-dev 10:10 same as 3.6.1-dev 10:10 Any word on the 0.4.0 release? 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (giant ant), on T:4686 10:11 bar-fila is broken. wrote a complicated bug report to PatR last night, waiting on a response 10:12 bhaak: are you the author of selection_do_grow? 10:12 or was all that paxed 10:14 It's interesting how despite have way more people than #hardfought, #nethack has a lot less active discussion happening. 10:14 aosdict: technically its 3.6.2-hdf 10:15 :P 10:15 3.6.2-dev-hdf 10:16 3.6.2 implies dev 10:17 not to someone like icebox who doesn't know whether it's released 10:18 PavelB: see wizard.c:761 for why the spanish inquisition doesn't happen regularl 10:19 also, hardcoding numbers into the code based on what the data text messages are, bad design 10:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:24 <@IceBox> Correct as a developer if I see a version without a relevant tag (nightly, dev, rc, etc) that means released to me :) 10:24 K2: My last dnh game crashed and disappeared (now I get the new character screen when I go to dnh). Is there any chance you could restore it? 10:31 aosdict: no, not mine. should be all paxed 10:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1478 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 145 points, T:896, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a potion 10:32 maybe he can explain why a north grow goes south 10:33 Is paxed PatR on GH? 10:33 no, he's paxed 10:33 PatR is Pat Rankin 10:34 paxed is Pasi Kallinen (sp?) 10:34 PeterQ yup one sec 10:37 PeterQ: dnh game is restored... there were no hold over game files normally seen with a crash. I had to recover from your last save which was yesterday at 5:10pm UTC 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:1777 10:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given the Kiku-ichimonji, on T:1794 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2993 10:40 K2: Thanks a lot. The crash happened when I entered a new level, it gave me the "restore game" dialogue, but crashed again immediately after "restoring" it 10:40 ugh 10:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:54 !who 10:54 K2: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] Vis [dnh] barleywine [nh362] dgoddard [nh362] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] Raisse [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given the Black Arrow, on T:4126 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:7183 11:05 <@Luxidream> !tell aosdict Gus Van is starting to categorize generic pages under variant tags again. I think we should contact him? 11:05 Will do, @Luxidream! 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:7247 11:06 technically it's not actually in the style guide on what to do with variants (yet) 11:06 aosdict: Message from @Luxidream at 2018-08-29 11:05 EDT: Gus Van is starting to categorize generic pages under variant tags again. I think we should contact him? 11:06 oh you mean categories 11:09 <@Luxidream> Yeah 11:10 <@Luxidream> He put restore ability under the slashem category 11:10 Did we have a discussion on-wiki about categorizing, or was that all here? 11:11 <@Luxidream> That was here I think, but you corrected a lot of articles 11:11 I did? 11:11 <@Luxidream> perhaps it should be mentioned in the style guide 11:11 <@Luxidream> Yeah you did 11:12 Oh, that was me correcting stuff categorized as Variants that weren't variants. 11:12 not correcting stuff categorized as SLASH'EM that wasn't all that much about SLASH'EM. 11:14 <@Luxidream> ah, I’m mistaken. What’s your stance on this though? 11:15 wait, I had a conversation with amy about this 11:15 * aosdict checks logs 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:8509 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:8703 11:20 ok, so I never actually established a stance on this, but here it is: 11:20 "Pages should be categorized as a variant if they are inherently about that variant. If the page is about something in vanilla, it should not be categorized as any variants." 11:24 <@Luxidream> “In SLEX you can find speed boots (randomized appearance) without expecting an artifact and thus get extrinsically 'very fast” 11:24 <@Luxidream> what does this even mean 11:25 It has to do with SLEX, therefore any meaning it might have is broken down anyway 11:25 <@Luxidream> I think I should go through and quality check his contributions 11:26 <@Luxidream> aosdict: that should probably go directly on the style guide 11:26 "what does this even mean" <-- what I said when I read it 11:27 aosdict: what is the base material of studded armor? 11:27 by my interpretation that means that slex has a randomized description of boots named "speed boots" that gives you speed? 11:28 hothraxxa: leather 11:28 ok. leather is appreciably lighter than cloth, it seems 11:28 760 vs 1300. seems wrong 11:28 yeaaaaah... I think I need to rebalance densities for actual gameplay 11:29 what I did with them is, if you have a cloth studded armor, it's the same volume and shape as a leather one, only imagine all the leather replaced with packed cloth 11:30 if you have a silver sword, it's not silver coated - it's solid silver 11:30 etc 11:31 i had a +0 small bone shield that was +2 ac over a normal small shield but weighed a ton 11:31 <@Luxidream> “In SLASH’EM Extended, boots with the randomized appearance “speed boots” will function as speed boots in addition to their original effects.” 11:31 @Luxidream note that I don't know whether that's actually correct 11:31 i don't see on your wiki page that bone has that +2 11:32 it's not listed as a +2, but it's there in that table 11:32 bone AC is 6 in that table, wood is 4, therefore bone armor that is usually wood will have 2 more AC than the wood counterpart 11:33 YANI: bone armor *increases* spellcasting ability 11:33 hm. i need more practice reading these tables 11:34 <@Luxidream> spell casting was buffer enough in xnh 11:34 of course it'd be a lot nicer if i could see the actual weight of items 11:34 <@Luxidream> buffed * 11:34 * aosdict grumbles about getting to it eventually 11:35 hm. i'm a level 15 wizard in: 18. level 6 spells still require infinite power 11:36 armor? 11:36 I saw you wearing a hard hat 11:36 hard hat 11:36 :D I found my first ever "oLS 11:37 makes no difference 11:37 ah, take off the shield and i'm down to 200 11:37 of course my max is only 179 11:37 <@Luxidream> PavelB: you mean amulet of overconfidence? 11:37 <@Luxidream> :p 11:38 he means amulet of you put an "ols in your bag 11:38 IDK 11:38 hothraxxa: My lv15 In:18 wizard wearing a hard hat is taking 600 to cast teleport away 11:38 More like amulet of slightly reduced underconfidence 11:38 yes i also had on ashield 11:38 yeah but you said 200 without it 11:39 and without the hard hat 11:39 ah ok 11:39 in my case it was also complicated by the fact that I just rolled up the character and was wielding a staff 11:39 putting the hard hat on without the shield still wants infinite power 11:40 ah 11:40 i'm not complaining or anything, just exploring the limits 11:40 <@Luxidream> YANI: Amulet that prevents the killing blow and levelports you. Prevents enemies from following you 11:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:2418 11:41 ^ hah 11:41 Eyyyyy it worked 11:41 what does it do in the end game 11:41 @Luxidream 11:41 I would have died of boredom 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh362] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10877 11:42 Gott verdammt 11:42 > Fall through trap door 11:42 > Take two steps 11:42 > Fall through trap door 11:43 > Immediatly equire lycanthropy upon arrival to DLVL 7 11:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1194 points, T:2575, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rothe 11:44 <@Luxidream> Should just prevent damage for the rest of the round if levelport fails 11:44 That could have gone better 11:44 <@Luxidream> Or until you get your next action 11:46 <@Luxidream> see? Amulet of overconfidence 11:46 That wasn't overconfidence that was me playing normally 11:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7428 11:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given the Blade Singer's Spear, on T:9813 12:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:25 !who 12:26 K2: [hdf-us] Vis [dnh] barleywine [nh362] dgoddard [nh362] hothraxxa [xnh] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] Raisse [nh362] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:37 -!- LarienTelrunya_ has joined #hardfought 12:38 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:38 -!- LarienTelrunya_ is now known as AmyBSOD 12:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given the Vampire Killer, on T:12744 12:46 NetHack 3.6.2-hdf updated (all servers) 12:47 ^ fixed some extrainfo bits, added a new livelog event (from xNetHack) 12:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 795 points, T:1066, killed by a dagger 12:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:51 great, now we get to see gruesome pet murders 12:52 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:54 yay 12:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 12:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:55 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 12:59 <[Demo]> cute 13:00 K2: I don't think we've seen a single one of those from xnh yet, but I expect we will in vanilla before long 13:00 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 380 points, T:1567, killed by a soldier ant 13:09 wow, GoP on turn 15! 13:09 <[Demo]> wow 13:10 are they silver 13:12 aosdict: This is because I can't be bothered to name my starting cat 13:12 I quaff id a !oHallu and kill him every other game or so 13:12 not this time. 13:13 quaff id. *facepalm* 13:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered thermonuclear war, her faithful kitten, on T:4 13:14 It's what you got to do if you play IDless 13:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered Bob, her faithful kitten, on T:44 13:14 that's not what he's dping though 13:14