00:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 00:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 00:33 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 00:35 aosdict: From the DynaHack website: 00:35 > As mentioned in the DynaHack 0.6.0 release post, I will no longer be developing or maintaining DynaHack. 00:40 <[Demo]> grunt hack isn't maintained by sgrunt 00:41 <[Demo]> hasn't fiq helped fix some sort of dyna issue? 00:44 There hasn't been anything merged into the DynaHack codebase since 0.6.0 released 00:44 From anyone 00:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 12343 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:45924 00:44 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:46 <[Demo]> you don't know what's running on hdf 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:27, killed by a goblin 00:47 If it's something else then it's not DynaHack, it's a fork of DynaHack 00:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:46328 00:59 Hmm, but I don't think I should mark grunt and spork as unmaintained but still played, do you? 00:59 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 01:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:00 this is why before doing anything with the variant activity graph I was going to link it here so a bunch of people could tell me how I misclassified stuff 01:03 I mean you can still do that 01:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48082 01:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48086 01:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:49220 01:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:21 -!- Tokeman has joined #hardfought 03:23 -!- Tokeman has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:26 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:29 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:43 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 03:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:10 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:21 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 04:27 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:27 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:46 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 04:54 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:04 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:06 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 05:24 -!- astag has joined #hardfought 05:50 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 05:55 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:49 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:51 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 06:56 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:15 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:20 Click! The little dog triggers a rolling boulder trap. You are hit by a boulder! 07:20 nice dog 07:21 humans best friend 07:21 that's probably the problem :P 07:21 i was an elf 07:21 lol 07:23 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 07:39 3 magic lamps in minetown, not bad 07:51 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 07:57 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:13 aosdict: grunthack and sporkhack are still maintained and played 08:13 K2: Message from bouquet at 2018-08-25 20:36 EDT: stuck xnh game again. Sorry to be a PITA. Can you clear it for me? 08:14 PavelB: FIQ has provided two patches for dynahack since we started hosting it (one minor, one a bit more significant). 08:17 !tell bouquet xnethack game recovered 08:17 Will do, K2! 08:18 any crash details? 08:19 lemme look 08:19 no :/ 08:21 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] Conein (Val Hum Fem Law), 426 points, T:2115, killed by a wand 08:22 * aosdict is looking at github forks of nethack to see which have some actual commits 08:22 the vast majority of them don't 08:23 most of the rest are either futzing around trying to add silly stuff or trying to apply/port 3.4 patches 08:27 a few evidently wanted to launch a new variant, got as far as updating the README and lost interest 08:33 ha, one guy who just said "forget this ID game" and made one commit that fully identifies every single object upon creation 08:45 hm, one fork appears to be a pokemon patch 08:45 hah 08:46 K2: I was going to move the 3.4.3 entry in the Variants page into the "not maintained (but still played) section 08:46 i didnt touch 3.4.3 in the variants section 08:47 well I was wondering if you agreed 08:48 oh 08:48 it's still playable here but I doubt it will ever see another update 08:48 thought you were commenting on the recent edit i did on the public servers page 08:48 yeah i agree 08:48 however (comma) 08:48 * aosdict rather thinks the variants page shouldn't include last updated dates, because then everyone forgets to maintain them 08:48 now that NAO doesnt host 3.4.3 anymore, I want to tweak the 3.4.3 nao build we host here 08:49 how so 08:50 a couple QoL changes 08:50 auto open doors and E word tracking 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] Conein (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2933 08:50 maybe throw Tangles' livelogging in there too 08:51 still wouldn't really count that as maintained; it's at least blurring the line between maintenance and server-favoring changes 08:52 server-specific changes I guess 08:52 right. i wouldnt count it as 'maintained' either 08:52 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 08:53 i just want to add a couple bits to it 08:53 ok finally got through the list of forks, the only ones with real gameplay changes are splicehack, https://github.com/thierrylach/NetHack (pokemon), and https://github.com/thorsonlinguistics/SetHack (I dunno what this is) 08:53 i have for a long time now but i wanted to keep our nao build in line with NAO's 08:53 but since we're the only one who hosts 3.4.3-nao now... 08:56 <@Luxidream> unpopular opinion - dyna should have livelogging 08:57 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:58 but then how would you have been able to blindside all the other clans in junethack 08:59 K2 (and anyone else interested): here's the tentative variant activity graph, looking for corrections: https://i.imgur.com/GcTxBWq.png 08:59 i'd love to see livelogging for all variants 09:07 arguably nethack4 should not be on the section "actively developed" either 09:07 but ais should probably make the call on that 09:08 it is, just not often 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Conein (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "Gray dragon scale mail", on T:3577 09:13 well, on the graph, the "maintained but not actively developed" variants are unnethack, grunt, spork, nh4, and 361-hdf 09:19 <@Luxidream> this pokemon variant just has filler stats for all the pokemon 09:20 <@Luxidream> there are comments on a plan to draw stats directly from the physical stats of each pokemon 09:20 <@Luxidream> all of them have filler bite/claw attacks too 09:26 dtype: I don't have Java or Flash available to confirm this, but are alt.org/nethack/jta/ and alt.org/nethack/soiled/ dead for the purposes of playing 3.4.3-nao? 09:32 <@Luxidream> flash version gets a security error when it tries to connect 09:34 3.4.3 nao is not o 09:34 on NAO anymore 09:35 and soiled probably still connects to plain http 09:53 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 09:57 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 09:58 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05 [hdf-us] [4k] groovejumper (Pri Syl Fem Neu), 11583 points, T:4223, killed by an elf mummy 10:06 -!- PeterQ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:26 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 10:54 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:41 -!- tacco| has quit [] 11:42 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 11:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 11:42 -!- theRaisse is now known as iraisse 11:42 -!- iraisse is now known as raisse 11:55 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 380 points, T:603, killed by a dwarf 12:00 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:08 aosdict: yeah, I should just remove those 12:08 also 343 dead for new games in general 12:08 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 12:10 anyone who wants to play 343-nao can do it on hdf :-) 12:10 true that 12:11 (me, for one, occasionally) 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1241 points, T:2478, killed by a gold golem 12:14 <@Tone> I've been playing 343 when I mess around with speed strategies 12:15 <@Tone> The extra gold and overpowered Elbereth helps 12:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of protection", on T:51285 12:15 <@Tone> Also most current speed games were played on 343 12:15 <@Tone> Although I know nht has at least one on 360 12:16 dtype: You should probably keep the 343-nao source around. 12:16 Also, anyone know who owns the Vanilla-NetHack organization on Github? It's obsolete, but it has 92 forks. 12:17 aosdict: I know paxed maintains some stuff on github 12:17 I thought his stuff was current 12:18 Yeah, I can't find anything tying it to paxed. bhaak's name is on it though 12:18 Vanilla-NetHack/NetHack is basically a frozen copy of 3.4.3. 12:19 Though some of the forks are significant: nethack-de, nitro, dyna, un, grunt are all forks of it 12:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1140 points, T:2623, killed by a gnome lord 12:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51986 12:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:51992 12:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:36 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 12:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:52205 12:39 !who 12:39 FIQ: [hdf-us] k2 [spl] barleywine [nh361] Silver2195 [xnh] hothraxxa [xnh] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] astag [nh361] pondlife [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:43 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Bar Wer Fem Cha), 794 points, T:1479, killed by a gecko 12:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:52489 12:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:52491 12:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:52638 12:54 also doing my part to repopulate the bones files. 12:55 achievement unlocked! 12:55 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 13:01 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] barleywine (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 1348 points, T:2704, killed by a rothe 13:04 an extremely heavy bag and a fucking runed dagger named sting 13:06 <[Demo]> sad 13:08 nice patch idea: track each source of wishes independently. Getting 4 artifacts by their own chance is ok. But missing out on a wish artifact because sting and orcrist were generated isn't. 13:08 that, or perhaps some named weapons shouldn't be artifacts 13:10 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 13:10 -!- livingstone.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Freenode is now setting +R to all new connections; please identify with NickServ, otherwise you will not be able to talk 13:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 13:10 if i'm chaotic i name sting and orcrist because stormy 13:10 assuming here he was chaotic, else why name the damned thing 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7 points, T:208, killed by a sewer rat 13:11 er she. it was a female priest 13:11 elf so chaotic 13:11 -!- ghormoon22 has joined #hardfought 13:11 | _..._ 13:11 | .- _ '-. 13:11 | / (o) _ _\ 13:11 | /':. (o) /__) 13:11 | /____.,_ __| | 13:11 -!- ghormoon22 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:12 boh and a lamp not oil, so i'm okay with sting 13:12 the tin in the bag was spinach 13:13 a bunch of spellbooks 13:13 i was hoping for identify and then remembered this is xnh 13:14 <[Demo]> nice one 13:15 i'm hoping to dind my own bones. i killed three wizards in a row, all of them had a boh and at least one magic lamp 13:15 one of them had three 13:15 <[Demo]> comrs yey 13:15 i think. two for sure 13:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54291 13:21 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:54629 13:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54629 13:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:54654 13:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54656 13:26 -!- raisse has quit [Client Quit] 13:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:30 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Fem Cha) killed Chicoutimi on T:10499 13:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class z, on T:54874 13:39 what has silver got against zrutys? 13:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:54964 13:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:54978 13:51 raisse: this is xnh. zruties have been ultra-genocided, by me. 13:51 genociding z is now an indication you reached the Plane of Water 13:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3422968 points, T:54985, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Silver2195/xnethack/dumplog/1534988785.xnh.txt 13:52 eels are z in xnh now yeah? 13:52 ah right 13:52 congrats silver (if you're listening) 13:53 I didn't see a reason to geno z but I do understand genociding eels 13:53 congrats silver, ditto 13:55 <[Demo]> whatt the fuck 13:56 Puff bites the gnomish psychic. The gnomish psychic is killed! 13:56 Puff grows up into a red dragon. Puff grows to level 15! 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7421 13:56 <[Demo]> xnh scrambled the alphabet? 13:56 its part of the Demo patch 13:56 z in vanilla is one of those "we tried desperately to think of a monster beginning with ..." monsters 13:56 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 13:57 !tell AntiGulp may want to suppress "pet grows to level x!" message when growing up, or merge them somehow 13:57 Will do, aosdict! 13:57 <[Demo]> or swap the order so its like pokemon 13:57 Pinkbeast: Yet there has been a surprising amount of demand to re-add zruties into the game (as like Y or something) 13:58 just ask luxidream 13:58 aosdict: I think I realised... oh, sometime around _City of Heroes_ issue 4... that you could change the carpet in one room of a game and a proportion of the playerbase would think it an outrage of unprecedented proportions. And tell you about it. 13:59 [Demo]: "What? Puff is evolving! *fifteen seconds of sparkle effects* Puff evolved into a red dragon!" 13:59 <[Demo]> make it so if you interrupt the 15 seconds of sparkle it doesnt grow up 14:00 I think that would involve multithreading 14:00 at least for nethack 14:01 <[Demo]> could be more evil 14:01 <[Demo]> if sparkle is off, no growing up 14:01 <[Demo]> if sparkle is on, have fun waiting 14:02 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:06 aosdict, PavelB: FWIW, this is is my "NetHack history according to UnNetHack", upto 2009, that means UnNetHack 3.5.0: https://bhaak.net/nethack/nethack_history.pdf 14:08 aosdict: Vanilla-NetHack is my packaging of the nethack releases into a proper git repository, so not just a copy of 3.4.3, but including the whole history for easier debugging and history digging. 14:09 bhaak: in 2010 history came to a . 14:10 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:11 those pesky mayans 14:11 wait that was 2012 14:11 It was those pesky Americans in _1066 and all that_ 14:13 bhaak: I assume a dotted line means that some code was shared but it wasn't a full merge? 14:14 Pinkbeast: well, afterwards the variant landscape changed completely. if I'm not mistaken, besides nethack and unnethack, none of the variants on that graph was in development. but I was just to lazy to update it :-) 14:14 * Pinkbeast suggests getting Amy to update it including her critical commentary on each variant, then hides. 14:15 aosdict: yes, a straight line is a direct derivative, dotted line is "having taken code from" 14:15 * aosdict sort of wants to make a full variant graph in this style but researching dates for version updates seems incredibly tedious 14:15 so dynahack would have a straight line from nitrohack, but a dotted line from unnethack (and possibly grunt and nh4) 14:16 especially with xnethack and splicehack which are playing merry hell with version bumps 14:16 aosdict: yes, it was tedious :-) luckily nethackwiki had lots of dates 14:17 On the graph PavelB created, dyna is the result of merging un and nitro, which I don't... really have a problem with 14:17 AFAIK, dyna's core gameplay is all unnethack, with some extra changes on top 14:18 neither do I. but on account of actual commit version history, it's of course nitrohack which is dynahack direct ancestor, even if it got shaped into a unnethack nitrohack variant 14:20 the advantage of organizing the graph by year is that there's more spacing out, the disadvantage is if interesting relationships happen on the same or consecutive years 14:21 yeah, 2003 is crowded in my graph and it just worked out. a little more crowded and it would be chaos 14:23 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Dra Ang Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 mithril darts on an altar, on T:3427 14:23 grunthack was in 2007? O_O 14:23 2006 even 14:24 yeah 14:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:24 he then defected to DCSS and left us with that trainwreck of variant 14:24 well yeah i know that 14:24 but i didn't know it was that early 14:25 i thought he was still actively developing on it when we put it on junethack 14:25 <[Demo]> im still surprised un is maintained 14:25 how about that? acehack only started in 2011 14:27 [Demo]: 27 commits in 2018 14:27 <[Demo]> wow 14:30 bhaak: I don't suppose you have the .dot source for that graph? 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh362] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9107 14:37 aosdict: look again at my message :-) 14:37 aosdict: no, don't look again at my message 14:37 https://bhaak.net/nethack/nethack_history_compact.dot 14:38 I forgot to c&p it :-) 14:40 cool thanks 14:40 * aosdict looks again at bhaak's message 14:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:57 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 14:58 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Dra Ang Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Enki, on T:5307 14:58 hah wow 15:01 which file is it that shows skill advancement per role 15:02 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:04 <[Demo]> u_init.c 15:07 Hmm, 3.4.3-nao would be hard to hammer into a year-based variant graph, since it didn't actually have any releases 15:07 what year did it start becoming really distinct from 3.4.3? stenno? 15:09 thx [Demo] 15:10 well this sucks. i found a thiefstone but it's in minetown 15:10 isn't that awesome? 15:10 great place for a stash? 15:10 in minetown, not really 15:11 i hate minetown stashes and i always seem to wind up with one 15:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:11 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11 i put its chest next to the co-aligned altar, so there's that 15:11 have you ever gotten the loot-filled orctown? 15:11 nope 15:12 hothraxxa: the stone's not tied to a chest, it's tied to a coordinate 15:12 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 15:12 i have only played maybe 5 xnh games since the early days 15:12 items will appear on that space even though there's no chest 15:12 whut? you mean everything goes back into the general store? that REALLY sucks 15:12 aosdict: no idea really, i only showed up in 2010 15:12 hothraxxa: was it the stone that was in the general store? 15:12 or the chest 15:12 aosdict: maybe with the astral call patch, that was quite a thing 15:13 the stone in the chest in the store 15:13 with lots of discussions and complaining 15:13 hm I would think the stone would key to somewhere else if it could 15:14 it tries to avoid shops 15:14 well it's a cursed 60xm gray stone, that has to be a thiefstone no? 15:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:14 hmm 15:15 * aosdict is reviewing the logic for selecting a coordinate, it weights each space depending on how good it is 15:15 shops are a -100, container on the space is a +15 15:16 there's a lot of better places in minetown than the general store 15:16 it should at *least* prefer some random room tile over that 15:16 * stenno wonders if touchstones can be generated cursed 15:16 this version of minetown even has another chest 15:17 grotto town? 15:17 stenno: i don't believe so, and i know touchstones anyway 15:17 ah fair 15:17 if grotto town it's very likely to be the bottom right chest 15:17 ah, but it wasn't 15:17 I mean, simplest way to find out is use the thiefstone 15:17 it was in the store 15:18 yeah and my boh lands in the store. no thanks 15:18 the stone would generate in the store, and pick its keyed location as the other chest 15:18 because the store chest has a weight of -85. the other chest has a weight of +15 15:18 oh wait, you mean the keyed location isn't decided until it's used? 15:19 it's decided when the stone spawns 15:19 then wouldn't it key to the chest it was in? 15:19 but just because one spawns inside a chest, doesn't mean it's linked to that chest 15:19 i see 15:19 well neither chest is in a store now so it's okay to test it, amirtie? 15:20 the -100 weight means that thiefstones should *never* link to a store 15:20 it's always ok to test 15:21 orly? 15:22 well it fucked off with my wand of lightning. i suppose i have to trudge over to the corner chest 15:22 YANI: thieves' shop, contains blindfolds, thiefstones, lock picks, rogue gloves if implemented, cloaks, and daggers 15:23 hothraxxa: the "empty chest" message is a bug 15:23 so the other chest is empty 15:23 or it actually is empty 15:23 there might be such a bug, but this chest is empty 15:23 hm, there might be another chest somewhere 15:24 (not a shop) 15:24 my thoughts exactly 15:24 and grotto town has no closets 15:24 there's a random tool by the > 15:26 right 15:27 bag works too 15:27 eyyyy 15:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:9328 15:30 well that worked out nicely 15:38 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 15:43 [hdf-us] [nh362] brandywine (Mon Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar, on T:3631 15:44 362? 15:44 what have I missed? 15:44 oh that's what I've been playing too 15:44 I did miss it then 15:53 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:58 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 15:59 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:00 raisse: Yeah hdf pulls nethack from master now 16:00 Which makes it the only place to play 3.6.2 online 16:00 it's really just bugfixes 16:01 Also spinach and popeye! 16:01 There's like, a whole two new YAFMs! 16:02 yeah, all the "new features" I listed are from at least some kind of reports, if not bug reports 16:02 I didn't consider my report to PatR about orcs starting with lembas to be a bug, per se. 16:02 just weird flavor 16:03 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:05 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 16:07 hey, there was already spinach and popeye 16:08 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 16:10 raisse: Now if you can't gain more strength for some reason it says you feel like bluto 16:11 e.g. your strength is already maxed 16:11 ah right 16:12 or olive oyl 16:12 (if female? can't remember" 16:13 I can check that because I play only female (except in tournaments to get the "both genders" trophy) 16:13 nht :o 16:14 silly speedrun inc 16:14 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 16:14 speedruns wouldn't normally steal from bookstores, though, they prefer jewellery shops 16:14 what was his fixed-seed unnethack speedrun? 16:14 but maybe you have to go with what you can get 16:15 well i guess nht is like maud nowadays 16:15 in that he just runs sub-5k by default 16:15 similar like i run sub-20k regularly, just like... much better 16:16 I normally go sub-20k too, I actually get confused about how people can take much longer than that 16:16 because after a while you just run out of things to do 16:16 I like to go back and pick things up 16:17 ais523: more turns spent wandering around, back & forth between stashes, to stockpile water and bring it to an altar, etc 16:17 ais523: do you play online somewhere? 16:17 scoreboard has your last ascension in 2014 16:19 stenno: I hardly play at all nowadays, I have so many other things to do 16:19 I think most of my recent online games have been in tournaments, but even then they aren't that recent 16:19 so I'd normally be playing either on /dev/null's servers or nethack4.org 16:20 at least historically I've played more local than online, though 16:21 oh yeah i was already wondering 16:22 hi 16:22 Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought 16:22 bouquet: Message from K2 at 2018-08-26 08:17 EDT: xnethack game recovered 16:23 any suggestions on what I can do when my game freezes so I don't have to bug K2? 16:23 hmm, it crosses my mind that 4.3save is possibly the most useful NH4 feature for server admins 16:23 ah yeah nht did 235 turns fixed-seed acehack run and 363 turns fixed-seed un run 16:23 I haven't been contacted for help with recovering a game for years 16:23 acehack has fixed seeds? 16:23 or maybe it was just bones-stuffed? 16:24 i thought that ace introduced it first 16:24 that seems more plausible 16:24 NH4 has fixed seeds too but they work differently from un's 16:24 still connected via ssh but the game is frozen. 16:24 ais523: was acehack ever versioned, or was it just a perpetual alpha until merging with nitro? 16:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:24 the RNG is much more stable, in that performing actions of one kind won't influence actions from another 16:24 aosdict: I'm not sure if there were any released/tagged versions, it was pretty much a rolling release 16:24 it was versioned in the sense of using version control 16:25 and 2010 or 2011? wiki would suggest 11 16:25 I have no idea offhand, you can look at the version history, though 16:25 look at the NH4 repo, branch 'acehack' 16:26 hm I don't have a nh4 copy but I wonder if fiqhack or 4k would have it 16:26 it looks like there was some activity into 2012, but it started in 2009 16:27 I don't think fiqhack or 4k have much use for the acehack history, so if they pulled it it's either due to wanting to mirror the entire NH4 repo or by accident 16:27 better question might be, when were it (and NH4) first announced? 16:28 hm rgrn might be a good bet for that 16:28 <[Demo]> rolling releases are just lazy, yeah? 16:29 or maybe I should just pick a plausible number and hope people yell at me later to correct it 16:29 aosdict: acehack wasn't even announced by me, originally 16:29 I was just working on a number of patches and eventually people assumed I had a variant 16:30 so I had to give it a name in a hurry to stop it being called something I didn't want 16:30 I know the feeling :P 16:30 <[Demo]> so it's not a real variant? :P 16:31 well it sort of became one 16:32 <[Demo]> can someone make paxedhack? 16:32 it already exists, its called 'nethack 3.6.1' 16:33 <[Demo]> I mean apply all his 3.4.3 patches 16:33 they did. it's called nethack 3.6.1 16:33 3.6.1 has most NAO patches applied 16:33 <[Demo]> where are my rivers ? 16:33 NAO doesn't have rivers 16:33 I think there's a lot of paxed code in Un, isn't there? 16:33 unnethack has rivers 16:33 yeah [Demo] meant all the paxed patches that changed gameplay 16:33 <[Demo]> I want ALL paxed patches 16:34 he did a lot of work on the des parsers 16:34 biodiversity (or was that nephi)? 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 66 points, T:216, killed by a falling rock 16:34 biodiversity wasn't by paxed according to bilious 16:52 it finally happened! "a +0 pair of silver gauntlets of power" 16:52 unfortunately I'm playing a priest 16:53 <[Demo]> so you want like, nonmetal ones 16:53 thats nice for monks 16:55 materials for armor in xnh. I've been hoping to land on "silver gop" for a while now as a monk. Decided to take a break after "death by death" and now I get them. 16:59 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 17:01 -!- astag has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01 they may as well be made of irony 17:01 <[Demo]> I should play xnh so I can complain about it 17:03 xnh rulz 17:04 the one true hack. 17:04 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:05 <[Demo]> i like bitching about shit and xnh does a lot of shit to piss me off 17:05 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:05 <[Demo]> it also does a lot of shit that unpisses me off that other variants not doing pisses me off 17:05 weird. It does a lot of shit that makes me happy. 17:06 I guess every variant can find some fans, even fans that hate it 17:06 It's a little easier than vanilla if anything. 17:06 <[Demo]> uh hmm gridbugs are still on x 17:06 <[Demo]> this confuses me, put them on n for bug and shift blobs over to x 17:07 <[Demo]> wait shit can i eat meat as a monk or will i get fucked like in fourk or dnh? 17:07 I wonder if there are fans of unnethack that hate it but are not Amy 17:07 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 17:07 un is fun 17:07 <[Demo]> but do u hate it? 17:07 bhaak: what do you mean by "fans" here? 17:08 normally fans don't hate the thing they're a fan of, by definition 17:08 too much gehennom for me, though 17:08 ais523: you can either parse it as "love to hate it" or "loved it, now hate it" 17:08 I know I have some criticisms of Un, but I wouldn't say I hated it nor that I was a fan 17:09 <[Demo]> where does the engravings showing up as " come from? 17:09 from bones 17:10 <[Demo]> what 17:10 <[Demo]> who is bones? 17:10 der doctor on the enterprise 17:10 <[Demo]> lol 17:10 its also a pretty cool comic 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 983 points, T:4736, poisoned by a rabid rat 17:11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_(comics) 17:11 when i discovered the local library i used to borrow out lots of comics 17:11 <[Demo]> does xnh have object properties? 17:12 nope 17:13 there are named objects if their enchantment exceeds +3, like "darts of DOOM". 17:13 but not like splice where they might provide reflection. 17:13 <[Demo]> wonder if barehanded and/or martial arts is buffed 17:13 <[Demo]> splice has object properties now? 17:13 ya, I believe so. 17:14 <[Demo]> fitting 17:14 I swear my valk had reflection from something that wasn't an arti 17:14 <[Demo]> oh im a dumb motherfucker 17:14 I don't think martial arts is buffed in xnh, tho. 17:14 <[Demo]> are the 3.6.1 early trap items generated cursed? 17:15 yes 17:15 <[Demo]> yeahhh shit that was bad 17:15 it's like a bones 17:15 <[Demo]> dont take blindfolds from dead guys 17:15 nope 17:18 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 17:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] Demo (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1725 points, T:1392, killed by a crossbow bolt 17:22 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:24 <[Demo]> wait what the fuck xnh doesnt have spell maintenance?? 17:27 you'll just have cant your spell manually. 17:28 <[Demo]> or just not play, easy fix 17:29 <[Demo]> not because it doesnt have that feature but because i dont feel like it anymore 17:29 some of the casting mechanics I really like are in there, such as wielded spellbooks reduce pwr cost by 50%. 17:29 makes wizards more capable with their spells throughout instead of resorting to weapons for late game survival. 17:30 I recently ascended a gnome wiz while almost never touching magicbane except to ward off curses during ascent. 17:30 missiled the fuck out of everything. 17:31 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 18:00 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 18:04 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:21 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:49 -!- PeterQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00 bouquet: [backscroll] 1: splice has object properties? since when? 2: martial arts buffing (probably removing the stupid dmg = 1 rule) will happen soon hopefully 19:00 [Demo]: why are you so indignant that xnh doesn't have a feature that was invented like half a year ago 19:00 I admit I could be mistaken. 19:00 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 19:01 I was playing some variant lately where I had boots with reflection. I'm certain it was splice 19:02 afaik only fiqhack, dyna and grunt have them 19:02 I know antigulp said he wanted to add them 19:03 I think he may have added them. I pretty much only play xnh, spl, and 3.6.1 19:04 with occassional masochistic forays into SLEX 19:05 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:16 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 19:50 What's spell maintenance? 19:51 m-o-o-n, that spells maintenance 19:54 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:32452 20:01 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 20:05 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:32541 20:06 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:07 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 71 points, T:380, killed by a falling rock 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 204 points, T:1362, killed by a boulder 20:38 PavelB: recasts a spell passively repeatedly 21:02 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 21:07 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:10 huh, slex is as recent as 2015? 21:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:10489 21:16 >recent 21:16 3 years ago 21:18 I'm working on updating this bhaak graph of variants. It goes all the way back to 1987. 21:21 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 21:22 FIQ: btw what sort of version numbering does fiqhack use 21:22 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 21:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 21:29 doesn't look like all that much 21:45 [hdf-us] [nh362] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 414 points, T:2348, killed by a giant rat 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 409 points, T:1366, killed by a jackal 21:53 aosdict: 4.x.y where x would only change in case I did something huge 21:53 and y changes with each release 21:57 it's still at 4.3.0 right? 22:03 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh362] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 4 darts on an altar, on T:3158 22:08 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh362] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2600 points, T:3594, killed by a rothe 22:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12803 22:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:16 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 22:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 22:39 this variant graph is looking like one of those conspiracy theory wall to wall bulletin boards 22:43 :) 22:43 the content isn't that different, either.. 22:44 a bunch of people working in cahoots to kill the lot of us 22:48 ok I think I'm done. there are certainly errors and forgotten dashed arrows. https://i.imgur.com/u4A5KDt.png 22:48 PavelB: ^ 22:48 Oh wow 22:48 I feel like it got bigger :P 22:48 this is built off bhaak's and organized by years, so yes 22:48 Can you pastebin the graphviz data? 22:49 -!- tacco| has quit [] 22:50 https://pastebin.com/1M6P4PEP 22:50 now with more PEP 22:51 <[Demo]> aosdict : I don't actually care that much 22:51 <[Demo]> my idea of fun is being pissed off 22:51 <[Demo]> and I was doing my darnedist 22:52 PavelB: apart from un which has to be relegated to a drab yellow, everything's in hdf colors :) 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3586 22:53 Could use a key to show the difference between solid and dashed line 22:54 be my guest. I'm done with graphviz for now 22:54 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54 [hdf-us] [nh362] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3310 points, T:3617, killed by a gold golem 22:54 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 22:55 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:04 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:08 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:09 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 23:10 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 23:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:17 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 23:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:26 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 23:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 23:29 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36 aosdict: that's a beatiful work of art. 23:37 K2: game crashed again. Please work your magic. 23:38 how is it crashing? are you doing anything significant? 23:39 Nope. I attempted to go down the stairs and it just freezes. 23:39 why does the SLASH'EM 0.0.8E0F1 -> SLEX dashed line take that route instead of the simpler way down 23:39 I can't issue any commands or break out of the game. I have to .~ my ssh connection to break out. 23:40 well, is it always freezing upon going down stairs? 23:40 and the game remains active. I can (w)atch it just sit there, but I can't resume. It's since timed out but now I can't resume without destroying it. 23:40 Muad: I cannot control this beast 23:40 oh :) 23:41 nope on the stairs. Seems random. Stairs was just the last time. 23:41 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 23:41 K2: before you kill & recover, see if that xnh process is/was running a lot of cpu 23:41 though... this is the second crash in this session and I'm resuming from a previous save and re-exploring the mines that were previously explored. I wonder if there's old level files present? 23:42 I'm not super married to this run, but I feel like it happens often enough that it might be something to look into. 23:44 so there are no new levels being generated? 23:45 <[Demo]> xnh broke 23:45 <[Demo]> he changed dlvl mlet to an infinite loop 23:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 6781 points, T:2666, killed by a soldier ant 23:47 I didn't get a chance. He restored a previous save (due to same type of crash) and I went across M2 to the downstairs, hit >, and crash! 23:52 I've been playing alocal compile of xnh and it's never crashed. FWIW 23:54 K2: might be time to give me a copy of bouquet's save 23:55 since I can't puzzle out where this could be coming from