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The watch are peaceful, but if you get within melee range they will drop a trapdoor under you 00:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:51 sounds like kicktown 00:52 bantown would be a black market that closes the portal when you leave after stealing 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 266 points, T:1100, killed by a dwarf 00:55 ha. I started a SLEX game and I'm in a 1 square room with no way out afaik 00:56 thank goodness for phase door 00:57 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 01:01 Can't tell if bug or feature 01:02 Although I suppose every bug in SLEX is a feature, so the real question is if the feature was intended or not. 01:04 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:06 does everyone in slex get phase door 01:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:10 Amy's not online so I guess we'll never know 01:15 I started with a scroll of phase door, but I'm playing an angel and I have phase technique. 01:15 not sure if that's angel specific or what 01:15 I think so in slex 01:25 [hdf-us] [slex] bouquet (Sam Ang Fem Law), 7347 points, T:1282, killed by a monster (stone giant) 01:28 -!- Elronnd has joined #hardfought 01:33 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 01:37 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:46 bouquet: of course everyone gets the phase door technique, and panic digging for that matter; the situation you encountered is exactly why everyone gets them :D 02:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14 https://github.com/paxed/dgamelaunch/blob/master/nh343-simple_mail.diff 02:14 k2, is that what you do to make the mail daemon work? 03:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:15 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:15 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 03:27 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 04:08 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 04:12 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:20 -!- kashike0 has joined #hardfought 04:20 | _..._ 04:20 | .-' '-. 04:20 -!- kashike0 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 04:22 that didn't get very far 04:23 LE TOUC- 04:23 hrx 04:41 !tell Chris_ANG another crash bug: if you play a samurai and have "obscure_role_obj_names" set to TRUE and "menustyle" to traditional, trying to pick up items on a square that contains a dwarvish mattock persistently crashes the game. Backtrace: https://pastebin.com/raw/Mxe4PbAs (from dnhslex, but confirmed that it happens in regular dnh too) 04:41 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 04:42 !tell Chris_ANG The obscure role object names don't seem to work at all, too. The dwarvish mattock is supposed to be renamed to "dwarvish zaghnal" with that option turned on, but it still displays as "dwarvish mattock". 04:42 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 04:46 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 04:47 !tell Chris_ANG I found out why it happens: the code that replaces the item names incorrectly calls "Japanese_items" for the obscure ones too because you forgot to change the line ;) This commit fixes it: https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/2c84ccb819a77608156bfd6cec05c3927725e289 04:47 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 04:48 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:08 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 05:14 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:16 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 05:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:23 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Con Hum Fem Cha), 2139 points, T:3202, quit 05:23 -!- limbo23 has joined #hardfought 05:23 | ___ 05:23 -!- limbo23 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 05:34 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:59 -!- foamz4 has joined #hardfought 05:59 .. _ .. 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(o) /__) /\ 07:04 /':. .,_ | | \ \ 07:04 |': ; / \ /_/ \ \__ 07:04 / ; `"`" } _,'\ \ ', 07:04 -!- Monkeh16 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:10 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 07:11 how come we're seeing the spam now, did the spambots start to register with nickserv? 07:13 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 07:15 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:10 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 50833 points, T:11623, killed by a soldier ant, in explore mode 08:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:11 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:12 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 29901 points, T:14759, killed by a leocrotta 08:16 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:22 :/ 08:22 -!- acuzio22 has joined #hardfought 08:22 | __oooo 08:22 | // /. . o 08:22 | / / | . . o 08:22 -!- acuzio22 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:22 !players 08:22 K2: [hdf-us] Tolemanes [fh] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] Schmensch [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:23 I wonder why they're only breaking through in this channel. None of the other channels I'm in are suffering from it. 08:24 how popular are those other channels? (and #nethack still has quiet mode on) 08:24 well I guess #nethack is the larget 08:24 largest 08:24 i turned off quiet mode here when the spam died down 08:25 i may need to turn it back on, but so far the spambot activity is only sporadic 08:25 interesting to see what they appear to consider a lower limit for channel size... #nethack4 is still getting hit but the discord channels aren't 08:26 so i'm one step closer to dual isp at the house 08:27 was debating between ridiculously slow dsl or a satellite connection 08:27 Tangles suggested cellular 08:28 * aosdict imagines everyone trying to funnel all hdf connections through K2's DSL 08:28 found a great little enterprise class cellular router that can plug directly into a routers wan port, bought a sim card for it and tested it out 08:28 so now i just need to setup the yagi antenna on the roof and get it all setup 08:29 * K2 doesnt have dsl 08:29 great now "yagi antenna" is going to trigger my YANI parsing script :P 08:29 ;) 08:29 its just a 10GB per month hotspot account but as a fairover it'll suffice just fine 08:30 *failover 08:30 and latency will be a lot better than a satellite feed heh 08:36 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: NAE TROOSERS] 08:36 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 08:45 YANI: Archeologists begin the game knowing all egg types. 08:58 I got 65 smoky potions from polypiling. Any bets on the # of wishes? 09:03 a few 09:04 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:05 1 from the 21st, gonna keep the others for later 09:12 because the djinni odds decrease over time it's really hard to pin down the distribution of wishes 09:12 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 09:17 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:23 I forgot about the decreasing odds 09:28 I've certainly had smoky fruit juice games where I've gone "no, I'll save these and see if the microscopic chance of a wish they represent turns out more useful than the microscopic chance of needing a bunch of extra holy water" 09:29 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:30 It's quite easy to convert them to holy water whenever necessary, so why not. And the chances are not that bad, even if there were already 4 it's still more than 1/25 per potion 09:31 or slightly less than 1/25, with 3 djinni it's slightly more 09:32 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 09:32 Sure. The utility of wishes has also dropped off quite a lot at that point, of course. 09:33 Yes, that's true 09:37 on the rare occasions I get smoky fruit juice I can't resist trying to turn as many other potions into juice as possible, because that's quite easy 09:38 Operation Smoky Potion Factory is a go <-- from last junethack :) 09:41 also horn of plenty + pyec = infinite-ish smoky potions 09:42 <[Demo]> i feel like a pyec 09:42 maybe horns of plenty should stop recharging at some limit that won't feasibly be reached unless you're trying to PYEC-farm it <-- YANI 09:42 pyec + HoP is one of the more exploitable combos in nethack imo 09:42 sounds good 09:43 why not just 7 like for wands 09:43 7 seems low enough to be reached in an actual game 09:44 sure but who really cares 09:44 thats still like, 25 usages or so? with uncursed charging 09:44 does anyone ever charge HoP with ?oCharging btw 09:45 I would be hard pressed to find a situation where I would. 09:45 see 09:48 Is PYEC+HoP more efficient than just farming death drops though? 09:48 less risky, less resources 09:48 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) killed the Ancient Brain, on T:34110 09:48 well horns of plenty don't involve combat and also explicitly produce potions / fruit juice potions 09:49 how do you farm death drops in 3.6.x? 09:49 gremlins? 09:49 stenno: presumably you just hang out on a level for a long time feeding off corpses 09:49 <[Demo]> giant farm 09:49 if you're deep enough to generate e.g. dragons you'll never go hungry 09:49 yes, for theists that works out quite well 09:49 giant + UT ? 09:50 and they also have the chance of artifacts 09:50 <@Tone> Talking about that fire giant farm again? 09:50 do mrevived monsters do death-drops? that seems stupid if they do 09:50 <[Demo]> presumably not? 09:50 smoky potion yield is too low for me to be much tempted unless it's something I'd drink and / or alchemize for anyway 09:50 hm probably not 09:50 whats athe fire giant farm? 09:50 <@Tone> You get something with summon nasties to summon them on a boulder stenno 09:50 yet another reason to add the death drop at monster generation time, not death time 09:50 i think i have been told but i already forgot 09:51 <@Tone> And you farm them with a polearm at a knight's move 09:51 oh hm 09:51 or just be unreasonably willing to work through wands of create monster and cursed scrolls of create monster and ugh I adopted a policy of not doing cursed scrolls of create monster any more for a reason 09:51 that sounds a bit elaborate to set up 09:51 <[Demo]> i found a cool bug in dnethack on accident 09:51 <@Tone> It's a somewhat intricate setup but can be fully automated 09:52 my point was just that if you want to "abuse" some NH mechanics you will always find a way to do it 09:52 and PYEC+HoP is kinda niche 09:52 <@Tone> Probably the most efficient way to farm that I've seen in 36x 09:52 yes but HoP + pyec is super straightforward 09:52 <[Demo]> where if rodney's summon effect cant create any monsters it crashes, somehow in my mind this was somehow related to this but i guess not 09:52 and this is for potion farming specifically as aosdict said already 09:52 yeah for 3.4 pudding farms or throne farms you didn't need to build elaborate setups 09:53 you *could* but it wasn't necessary to gain the benefits 09:53 <[Demo]> i bet vlads throne is good for farming? 09:53 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 09:53 was throne farming changed too in 3.6.x? 09:53 never did it 09:53 ever in any variant 09:53 <@Tone> There's probably a good way to set up an automated gremlin farm 09:54 [Demo]: it was and I did it once and it was mind numbingly tedious 09:54 <[Demo]> they lose maxhp 09:54 <@Tone> Never really looked into it though 09:54 gremlin farm should be easily setup-able 09:54 <[Demo]> in dnh plenty of demon lords have thrones in their lair so thats a fun farming time 09:54 i wonder how many gremlins you can create from a single c?oGeno 09:54 can someone do the mathes 09:54 <[Demo]> my 40 million turn in dnh guy is farming a throne where i last left off 09:54 stenno: when you summon an audience from a throne it has a possibility of being marked looted 09:54 you need a wish to get the PYEC unless tourist, if not neutral you also need a permanent conversion meaning you can't do it pre-quest, it might fail if too many artifacts were generated, ... 09:55 PeterQ: but from an anti farming standpoint, those aren't really relevant, so long as it's possible to get it and it's possible to do it once you have it 09:55 yeah, you have a chance of using up the throne 09:55 doesn't really matter how high the barriers are 09:56 but you can't fully prevent farming in NH no matter what, you can just increase the barriers 09:56 if there were a 0.1% chance of getting Awesome Farming Enabling Artifact, some players would still quit in any game that failed to get it because they think that they can only win through farming 09:57 <[Demo]> thats their fault for being dumb 09:57 <[Demo]> play stupid games win stupid prizes 09:57 in general that is a mindset that I personally try to discourage, and in 3.4.3 it was a much more prominent issue 09:57 "pudding farming sucks but I don't get enough gear to survive without it" 09:58 <[Demo]> if u think u need to farm to survive u a bitch and u should probably die 09:58 <[Demo]> i guess blood puddings arent that bad 09:58 <[Demo]> if they actually worked 09:58 <[Demo]> cause they would definitely kill off those that thought they needed to farm to survive if they didnt summon on like the second split 09:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:05 What about "farming" foocubi for levels? The level 14 requirement for the quest encourages this at least slightly 10:05 <[Demo]> remove the cap or give alternative content 10:05 sane variants either drop the level 14 requirement to something lower or fix the XP curve :P 10:05 <[Demo]> or fine, lower it 10:05 <[Demo]> i like what dnethack does 10:05 <[Demo]> for the most part it makes the quest a later in the game thing 10:05 <[Demo]> and gives you other shit to go do to get xp 10:06 the main foocubus farming, as far as I thought, was for maxPw 10:06 <[Demo]> while also making the curve pretty easy 10:06 * stenno never sexfarmed in nethack 10:06 <[Demo]> some people just enjoy farming 10:06 <[Demo]> i know i do 10:06 stenno: how prudish :P 10:07 * stenno only pudding farmed once in 4k to get my alignment back 10:08 [Demo]: but then the portal should be moved to a lower dungeon level, 10:08 i like the unnethack way of things where you can kill the quest leader to get admission 10:08 Otherwise it's just annoying to reach the quest and being unable to do it 10:09 anyway going to the laundromat bbiab 10:09 <[Demo]> tell that to anachrononauts 10:10 <[Demo]> a lot of quests have quest homes that are kinda their own segment of the game, even if small 10:10 <[Demo]> so you hit quest home, grab some good shit, then head off for castle or alignment quests and get some more xp and stuff 10:10 <[Demo]> then come back and actually do quest 10:11 but like killing quest leader is the highest alignment penalty in the game apart from outright conversion 10:11 <[Demo]> jonadab should add that to fourk 10:11 I like the change made in several variants that the home level is a place where you can resupply a bit 10:11 no i mean that is like in vanilla 10:11 anyway 10:11 once you fight off the besiegers of course 10:13 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 10:13 <[Demo]> dnh makes that very much the case, they even petsit for you there 10:13 petsit? 10:14 <[Demo]> you can leave your pet there and it doesnt lose tameness 10:14 wow really 10:14 <[Demo]> yeah, soko the same but there the pet is taking care of itself 10:14 <[Demo]> finding food in crates and stuff flavor wise according to chris 10:16 Strange, I remember a pet I left in sokoban going feral in dnh 10:17 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:22 <[Demo]> when did you do this? 10:22 <[Demo]> this change to soko is slightly newish 10:22 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 12105 points, T:10763, killed by a gnome, while unconscious from rotten food 10:22 <[Demo]> 3.15.1 i think 10:22 <[Demo]> before then it was only quest home 10:24 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:26 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 10:27 Less than two weeks ago, but maybe I'm remembering it wrong 10:27 It might also have gotten killed by other monsters on the map 10:28 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Client Quit] 10:30 <[Demo]> did it starve? 10:30 <[Demo]> cause the fix for that isnt in until next version of dnh 10:30 <[Demo]> which i still need to figure out what parts of i want to merge with ndnh cause it does a lot more than just fix that issue and good lord i dont wanna look at it 10:32 Not sure, either that or it got killed by some trolls on the level 10:32 But neither would happen if it goes feral, right? 10:33 <[Demo]> shouldnt unless it grudges some shit on the level naturally 10:33 <[Demo]> man im still annoyed by the dnh gehennom corpse change 10:33 <[Demo]> that shit is dumb 10:34 What changed? No more corpses in gehemnon? 10:34 <[Demo]> !tell Chris_ANG you should add corpses back to gehennom but have them give significantly reduced nutrition and flavor it in some way that matches gehennom like corpse whisps or eaten away bones or something 10:34 Will do, [Demo]! 10:34 <[Demo]> its been that way since 3.15.1 i think 10:34 <[Demo]> i didnt think hed actually do it when he was talking about it 10:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:36042 10:56 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 11:00 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:06 how do i set gamemode in the options in splice again? 11:06 just OPTIONS=marathon ? 11:07 yep, that was it 11:09 oh nice, a junk shop. 11:13 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 11:19 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:20 Buenos dias! 11:31 <@Tone> :( 11:32 <@Tone> !lastgame 11:32 @Tone: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mightyquinn/sporkhack/dumplog/1535112761.sp.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nh361/dumplog/1535124356.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1533813217.dnh.txt 11:32 <@Tone> !lastgame schmensch 11:32 @Tone: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Schmensch/nh361/dumplog/1534940378.nh361.txt 11:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13967 11:35 @sl?weeping eye 11:36 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:37588 11:43 You kill the legendary lichen! 11:45 YANI: Reading a ?oTP while confused grants teleport control for a while 11:46 conf ?oTP already does something 11:46 the current confusion effects on teleport go directly against that 11:46 "Being confused, you cannot control your teleport." 11:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:14359 11:47 PavelB: are you planning to use polyinit mode for anything fun 11:47 I'll probably polyinit as something as OP as possible and see how far I can get 11:47 * aosdict was trying out lots of silly polyforms 11:48 stenno: Yeah, but I thought that was a boring confusion effect 11:48 polyinit to gas spore? first monster attack kills you :D 11:49 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:38334 11:49 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:38335 11:49 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:38336 11:50 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) genocided class t, on T:38336 11:50 why do i find things that are named but that are not on the artifact list on the splicehack page 11:51 for example i found a bow named platypus destroyer 11:51 stenno: xnh and splice have both ported this feature from 4k 11:51 stenno: Some non-artifact items get cool names if they generate with an enchantment 11:51 so is there anything special about it 11:51 oh ok 11:51 weapons that have good qualities, like a good enchantment, get macho sounding names 11:52 platypus destroyer is goofy :P 11:52 It can also be erosion-proof but usually enchantment 11:52 ok cool 11:52 The more enchantment the higher the chance of fancy name 11:52 <@Aetyate> ouch.. that loss was hurtful to read.. 11:52 assuming antigulp copied my code, if it's randomly erosionproof, the weapon must be at +1 or higher. If not it must be at +2 or higher. 11:53 yeah but who needs an enchanted bow anyway 11:53 those who want to kill platypi 11:53 i already have a yumi which i am happy with 11:54 i am currently missing ya 11:54 was wishing for quantity of projectiles changed in xnh/spl ? 11:54 i guess i can also sell my Sling of Integrity 11:56 i un i can wish for 100 projecties 11:56 in vanilla only for 20 12:09 I didn't change wishing for quantity of projectiles. I assume splice hasn't either. 12:09 pity 12:09 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:14 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 12:14 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:38699 12:16 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +5 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:38759 12:17 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed mithril ring of levitation", on T:38764 12:18 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 12:19 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:20 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:23 [Demo]: The current plan is to have the Bell in the quest leader's inventory, so you can get it by killing him, at the expense of being irrevocably locked out of the rest of the quest branch. 12:24 So the game would be winnable, but you can't get your quest artifact if you do that. 12:25 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 12:27 -!- astag has joined #hardfought 12:28 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 12:29 -!- Grassy has quit [Client Quit] 12:36 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) genocided class J, on T:39258 12:38 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:40 jonadab: That still requires changing some vanilla behavior though, right? 12:41 AFAIK the minute you attack the leader without killing him, you're booted out forever. 12:51 do you _have_ to get it by killing the leader then? 12:51 i mean its a unique item after all 12:52 stenno: If you present the quest artifact to them, they'll give you the Bell 12:52 aah 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3207 13:02 that sounds g 13:02 that sounds really good 13:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:11 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:15 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 13:20 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 253 points, T:336, killed by a water moccasin 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 165 points, T:567, killed by a boulder 13:24 aosdict: Possibly. Haven't looked into implementation yet. 13:25 And yeah, the idea would be that if you chat to your quest leader after defeating the nemesis, he gives you the Bell. 13:26 Probably with some flavor text about blah blah this may help you on your larger quest for the Amulet of Yendor blah blah blah. 13:35 Yes, you would have to edit that whole piece of quest text. And maybe a corner case for if your inventory is totally full and you can't take the Bell right now. 13:36 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:36 btw what is that about the quest text 13:36 what is really so difficult to change about it 13:36 aosdict: I'd be ok with putting the bell into a # slot, as happens with loadstones, if there's no other slot for it. 13:36 why is it so different than other dialogs 13:36 It's a unique item, so. 13:37 s/dialogs/verbalizations/ 13:37 stenno: The entire quest text system is convoluted and makes no sense and I haven't spent enough time studying it to figure out _why_ it's so difficult. 13:37 stenno: It's not difficult, just something you have to remember to do. Separately for each role. 13:37 Though for this purpose, yes, it would only be editing 13*N pieces of text. 13:37 ok 13:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:38 The issues I'm referring to are like when Chris_ANG tried to add some new maledictions and that caused everything to have to be renumbered 13:38 Oh, yes, adding more would be more of a pain. 13:38 (also maledictions shouldn't live there) 13:38 Editing is not such a big deal, though. 13:39 And yes, there's no earthly reason for those demon insults to be in the quest file. 13:39 They just... are. 13:39 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 13:39 -!- zjmc_ has left #hardfought 13:39 Also, a lot of other game messages, like the spiel about Marduk and Moloch at the start of the game 13:40 Yes, that should live in *a* text file. But not quest.txt 13:40 Oh, right, yeah, I forgot about that one. 13:40 What happens if you try to pick up a loadstone when you already have one in # 13:40 PavelB: You can get a max of three stacks of loadstones in three # slots. 13:40 Err, possibly up to six stacks in vanilla. 13:40 .-. 13:40 * aosdict played slex until I got tons of items on # and I didn't know how to use/quaff/whatever one specific # 13:40 (Because vanilla doesn't stack bknown with non-bknown.) 13:41 3.4 allowed unlimited boulders in #. 3.6 fixes this. 13:42 whats the bug description of that? 13:42 was that an official bug? 13:42 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:42 I don't remember the exact words, but it had "boulders" in it. I think "too many boulders". 13:43 HEre it is. C343-225. 13:43 "Hero can sometimes carry too many boulders." 13:43 See commits commit 53060e... and especially 8ead48.... See also commit 672c14... and maybe 86249e.... See also commit 8a1d07... 13:43 C343-225fixedHero can sometimes carry too many boulders. 13:43 yeah 13:44 oh that would be awesome if we could get a bug list with also the commits that fixed it 13:44 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Bugs_in_NetHack_3.4.3 13:45 There aren't commits listed for every bug, but a lot of them. 13:45 oh wow, nice 13:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1074 points, T:1379, killed by a dwarf 13:47 stenno: PatR generally formats his fixes' commit messages as "fix #bugnum - bug title" 13:47 which would at least help with lookup 13:47 yeah 13:47 The commit numbers on the linked pages were determined by comparing the date that the bug went onto the list, with the dates of the commits. 13:48 (And the commit messages, for disambiguation, because the bugs tended to go onto the list in batches.) 13:48 linked *page 13:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 240 points, T:1354, killed by a small mimic 13:53 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1309 points, T:1075, killed by a priest of Thoth 13:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7903 14:00 -!- kritixilithos has left #hardfought 14:00 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 14:01 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 427 points, T:880, killed by a little dog 14:08 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 14:16 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 14:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:15070 14:21 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:23 !tell AntiGulp this can't be right - 'Malcanthet introduces themselves to you as Emma. It caresses you...' 14:23 Will do, K2! 14:23 <@rikersan> probably the introduction code not being coded for uniques 14:23 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) killed Emma, on T:41041 14:23 rofl 14:24 my lvl 40 purple worm did that 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:8650 14:26 cute 14:26 Who is Emma 14:26 Oh wait, I see 14:26 also wouldn't it be 'malcanthet introduces itself to you...' 14:26 <@rikersan> it should be 14:27 i guess the code expects that any seducer has a gender 14:27 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 14:27 K2: Is having a purple worm like an effective strat or do you just like doing it 14:28 yes 14:28 Is there a reason why purple worm? 14:29 purple worms are really good at eating other monsters 14:29 ilke instantly 14:29 bring a tame one to the valley of the dead 14:29 let it eat all the wraiths 14:29 be the envy of all your friends 14:30 <@rikersan> purple worms will instakill things with their engulf pavel 14:30 <@rikersan> this applies to the wraith eating thing as well, it gets a level per wraith and insanely strong 14:30 nice 14:30 <@rikersan> doesn't work on riders sadly 14:30 Status of the purple worm (neutral): Level 40 HP 255(320) AC 6, tame, fast. 14:30 I'm going to try polyinit as a purple worm whenever aosdict finished that 14:31 i need to poly it into something humanoid so i can give it this amulet of reflection 14:32 then whack on it to change it back into a purple worm of awesomeness 14:33 <@rikersan> does that work O_o 14:33 <@rikersan> and how does whacking help? 14:33 it doesn't work in vanilla 14:33 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:33 it would in Slash'EM and its derivatives, I think 14:34 Is it possible to complete the game without limbs 14:34 not sure, though, not an expert in Slash'EM 14:34 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 14:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 14:36 ais523: Is esolangs ever going to feature something other than BF? 14:37 PavelB: possibly, we just parked it on BF because updating the featured language is a lot of effort 14:37 maybe we shouldn't have started that initiative in the first place 14:38 Or write scripts to make it not a lot of effort 14:40 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:41458 14:40 lol go worm 14:41 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:41463 14:41 !whereis k2 14:41 PavelB: [hdf-us] k2 [spl]: (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) T:41452 Gehennom level: 34 14:41 Hmm, my plan to polyinit as a purple worm might not end well if I find a cockatrice 14:43 aosdict: Will I be able to polyinit as an archon? 14:44 <@Aetyate> poly into a cockatrice and turn everything to stone? 14:48 PavelB: worth noting that polyinit as a purple worm isn't actually that good, since *you* don't instakill by engulfing 14:49 D: 14:49 polyinit is allowed for everything that's polyable in the regular game. so no archons. but I'm not sure why archons are nopoly 14:49 <[Demo]> can u polyinit as non poly forms? 14:50 The code makes a lot of assumptions that the player won't be polyed into something that's not a valid polyform, and I have no intention of breaking those assumptions 14:50 Aww 14:50 ais523: any idea why archons aren't polyable? just too overpowered for regular play? 14:50 aosdict: Can you just print a warning or something, like "If you polyinit as you might break the game and that's your fault" 14:50 no 14:51 because I end up fixing the inevitable crashes anyway 14:51 if you want to tweak that in your own build, go ahead. it's in the polyinit code added to options.c (still not pushed) 14:51 just remove the if statement for polyok 14:52 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41916 14:52 go worm 14:53 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41918 14:56 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed the master key of thievery", on T:41946 14:56 muahahah 14:56 <@rikersan> go worm 14:57 cockatrices are wimpy and can't carry anything 14:57 not a good polyform 14:58 <@Tone> I'd probably pick an elemental of you wanted to go limbless 14:59 energy vortex would be fun 15:01 Is there a way to pass flags to configure.sh/make so I can do -DSCORE_ON_BOTL without editing any files 15:01 How does polying into a form with different kinds of attacks work? 15:02 aosdict: balance seems like the most likely reason 15:03 * PavelB disables the polyok check and polyinits as a mail daemon 15:03 wow, you hacked into my laptop to get the code? rude 15:03 :P 15:04 <@Tone> What do you mean by different attacks 15:04 <@Tone> Generally you just attack like the monster 15:04 I assume either something like a marilith or like a fire ant (different damage types) 15:04 like you bite *and* claw 15:06 Yeah, some monsters have multiple attacks they can do 15:07 <@Tone> They use all attacks 15:08 you can't choose not to bite if you have claw/claw/bite attacks, so you're at risk from c 15:09 well fuuuuuuck 15:09 orcus kills my purple worm with a wand of death 15:09 i get out my wand of undead turning to revive it 15:09 argh! 15:10 and my pet titan comes over and eats the corpse 15:10 aargh! 15:10 lvl 40 worm gone 15:10 this titan deserves WoD'ing by orcus too 15:10 for best results induce vomiting immediately 15:10 I think monsters have immediate digestion 15:10 fuckin bullshit 15:10 yes sadly, was joking 15:11 also monsters can't vomit 15:11