00:01 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:28910 00:02 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:04 -!- dell30 has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:16 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 632 points, T:2179, poisoned by a centipede 00:18 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 00:19 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Car Ang Fem Law) had War's Sword bestowed upon her by Johnny, on T:15827 00:20 I've never been gifted more crap than I have as a cartomancer. 00:24 <@rikersan> what's war's sowrd? 00:25 <@rikersan> oh, 2 handed sword + conflict 00:25 <@rikersan> tha'ts not great but ok 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3654 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5186 points, T:3832, killed by a mumak 00:30 YANI: assess Monks' unvegetarian penalty per X aum of weight of meat you ate, minimum 1, instead of the current system which is -1 per meat item. 00:32 But lives are all equally valuable, no matter how big or small 00:32 if it were about lives then monks shouldn't have any trouble eating huge chunks of meat or meatballs. 00:35 That meat has to come from somewhere! 00:36 yeah, magic 00:36 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:31226 00:38 <@Galahad555> What's this section for? 00:39 hardfought nethack servers 00:40 <@Galahad555> Oh.. 00:40 also a lot of nethack game dev discussion tends to happen here 00:41 <@Galahad555> I need to try online nethack. Thanks 00:41 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ 00:50 smoky potion is acid 00:50 hrm 00:50 * K2 wishes for a packet of tums 01:01 !tell AntiGulp status line doesnt always show (e.g. i'll be burdened or stressed but the status for that doesn't show - have to unburden myself then be burdened again for the status to show up) 01:01 Will do, K2! 01:14 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:32097 01:18 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:23 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 01:38 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:45 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 01:46 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 01:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 01:46 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 01:46 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Client Quit] 01:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:13 -!- hsiktas4 has joined #hardfought 02:13 | _..._ 02:13 | .-' '-. 02:13 -!- hsiktas4 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 02:59 hi 02:59 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 03:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:07 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:09 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 03:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:11 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 03:25 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:38 ugh I need to do some testing but I don't want to spam the channel with messages 03:38 -!- LarienTelrunya is now known as AmyBSOD 03:38 !mintc 2000 03:38 !ping 03:38 AmyBSOD: Pong! 03:38 !setmintc AmyBSOD 2000 03:38 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for amybsod set to 2000 03:38 ah thanks K2 03:39 testing after deployment like a pro 03:39 well there seems to be a weird crash occurring with half-dragon knight's steeds in dnethack, I want to see if I can reproduce that 03:39 how is that saying "Gute Software ist wie eine Banane - sie reift beim Kunden" 03:42 ah fair 03:42 oh sorry this is dnethack, i thought you were testing for slex 03:42 * stenno takes it all back 03:43 and by 'thought' i mean 'i didn't read carefully enough' 03:45 well, you're still kind of right, because I encountered the bug in dnhslex and wanted to know whether it exists in regular dnethack too 04:04 okay the bug only seems to exist in dnethack's development branch; the 3.16.0 on hdf doesn't have this error 04:05 still I feel like notifying Chris 04:09 !tell Chris_ANG In dnethack's development version 3.16.1 but not in 3.16.0, line 2655 in hack.c will crash if the player rides a steed that has scrolls, potions or similar objects. Here's a backtrace: https://pastebin.com/raw/BK7DcGB6 (from dnhslex but I didn't touch that code so it's in dnh too). "while ((otmp = otmp->nobj) != 0){" doesn't work, otmp can already be null and then otmp->nobj is undefined and segfaults. 04:09 Will do, AmyBSOD! 04:18 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:27 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 04:50 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 04:55 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:11 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:13 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 05:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 05:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Guest52535] by ChanServ 05:20 -!- Guest52535 is now known as irina|log 05:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:35 You begin praying to Anhur. You are surrounded by a shimmering light. You hear the chime of a cash register. You finish your prayer. You feel that Anhur is well-pleased. Your stomach feels content. 05:35 mercenary much? 05:38 cha-ching 05:42 argh cat killed itself (and almost killed me) with a rolling boulder trap 05:42 I could see the boulder but didn't know where the trap was 05:51 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 05:56 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:58 -!- PeterQ has joined #hardfought 06:32 WTF, my Kirin just drowned on the Dagon level in dNethack, and my boots of waterwalking don't work either? 06:35 dnethack has 3D water on Dagon's lair 06:38 This is mentioned nowhere, and farlook just tells me it's water... 06:40 yeah I fell in the first time I was there too 07:30 -!- AmyBSOD has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:12 -!- dell30 has joined #hardfought 08:26 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 08:27 I'm back (and front) 08:27 !players 08:27 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] Raisse [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:48 -!- dell30 has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 7113 points, T:3454, killed by a spotted jelly 09:45 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 09:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3368 09:58 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 09:58 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 231 points, T:478, killed by a large mimic 10:02 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 17120 points, T:10526, killed by a Green-elf, while sleeping 10:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:3576 10:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:4738 10:12 !whereis 10:14 -!- chek5 has joined #hardfought 10:14 ___________________ 10:14 '. ______________ '. 10:14 | | '-' 10:14 |__| 10:14 ,' ', 10:15 /" "\ 10:15 /____________\ 10:15 / ; `"`" } 10:15 ; ':., { 10:15 / ; } 10:15 ; '::. ;\/\ /\ { 10:15 |. ':. ;``"``\ 10:15 -!- chek5 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16 do we want to turn on quiet mode again 10:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a dust vortex, on T:3535 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 256 points, T:1291, killed by a small mimic 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1786 points, T:4318, quit 10:38 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 10:41 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:42 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 10:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 10:45 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3358 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:20554 10:55 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 181 points, T:532, killed by a sewer rat 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1517 points, T:3478, killed by a watchman 11:39 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:39 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 11:39 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 11:49 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 11:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:59 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:02 stenno_ i'll turn quiet mode back on only if the spam starts getting bad again 12:03 <[Demo]> yeehaw I can talk 12:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1352 points, T:3102, killed by an imp 12:31 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:34 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:41 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 55575 points, T:10240, killed by a Mr. Kabalebo, the shopkeeper 12:44 [Demo]: You could just configure your client to authenticate 12:44 -!- honu has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:46 -!- honu has joined #hardfought 12:51 <[Demo]> no 12:51 <[Demo]> my client is a very ghetto broken javascript hell 12:52 <[Demo]> that requires a full rewrite 13:03 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 13:04 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:14 17 zorkmids, you say 13:14 Some bribe 13:44 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 13:51 [hdf-us] [4k] Cog Rengmneg (Ssach) (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 582 points, T:233, killed by a goblin, while sleeping 13:55 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:07 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 14:11 -!- lynn_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12 -!- lynn_ has joined #hardfought 14:13 -!- Nietzsche16 has joined #hardfought 14:13 | ____ 14:13 | / \ 14:13 -!- Nietzsche16 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:14 <@rikersan> is this penisbird 14:15 no, because it didn't have that as a text border 14:15 <@rikersan> ah true 14:16 but yeah I'm really wondering why they're keeping up this spam attack. in the beginning, it was at least targeted against the freenode staff with a bogus scandal. now it's just juvenile ascii art? 14:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:23 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 32888 points, T:1417, killed by an invisible quasit 14:29 I wonder what the Freenode staff are trying to do 14:32 <@Luxidream> !lastgame stenno 14:32 @Luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-09-23%2009%3A11%3A29%2C%20stenno-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nh361/dumplog/1532551318.nh361.txt 14:37 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 14:37 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the wizard of her, the former Evoker, on T:1783 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:25361 14:54 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 47550 points, T:3505, killed by a soldier ant 14:56 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5207 points, T:5188, killed by a vampire lord 15:01 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:02 aosdict: maybe its a case of script kiddie copycats 15:02 the initial attack motivated others to jump in 15:09 K2: btw I'm going to add another livelog flag soon, and am also considering adding polyinit mode (which might affect Mandevil more than you, not sure) 15:09 ok 15:10 either way it will be 0.3.1 which I'm working on now 15:11 ok 15:11 ok 15:11 fine 15:11 :P 15:11 heh 15:12 <@Luxidream> aosdict: can zruty be in the game but never generate 15:12 <@Luxidream> like woodchucks 15:13 <@Luxidream> would you consider this an acceptable compromise 15:13 no because then I would have to add them back as a monster 15:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1988 15:17 If there are woodchucks in the game why don't they generate 15:18 they have a frequency of 0 15:18 like lemures 15:18 How do lemures generate 15:18 actually lemures have a frequency of 1 never mind 15:19 like, uh, the "orc" and "elf" and "human" monsters 15:20 I suppose lemures could generate randomly but they're Gehennom-only and so weak that they never randomly generate there 15:20 <@Luxidream> you can get woodchucks by polytrap 15:20 <@Luxidream> I think they are reverse genocideable too 15:20 yes they are 15:20 You can also use a figurine 15:20 * aosdict ascended with five woodchucks once 15:21 K2: fair enough 15:21 woodchuck should be the starting pet if a druid role is ever made 15:21 :D Yes 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:26556 15:22 I'm sure Slex has a druid role 15:22 i dont consider slex in regards to race/role discussions 15:22 yes but jonadab and others have talked more seriously about a balanced druid role 15:22 theres way too many to try and track 15:23 <@Luxidream> most animal polyforms are bad in nethack though 15:23 <@Luxidream> they would have to retain human carrying capacity 15:23 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 15:23 I think it's great how complex NH's polymorph system is 15:23 julibex from bones engulfed me 15:23 what do i do 15:24 !whereis winny 15:24 PavelB: [hdf-us] winny [nh361]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:2966 The Gnomish Mines level: 5 15:25 tbh doesn't look like i had anything to save me from that 15:25 winny-Mon-Hum-Fem-Cha, killed by a spotted jelly, ptaff-Rog-Hum-Mal-Cha, killed by a priestess of Issek. 15:26 Oh was this a local game 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1334 points, T:2969, killed by Juiblex 15:26 Oh there we go 15:27 <@Luxidream> wand of digging 15:35 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 15:40 indeed, didn't have one however 15:43 @Luxidream druid could be interesting if it enforced a limited-gear playstyle. you already probably wouldn't carry much armor 15:43 Is there a replay feature? I really want to look at what exactly happened when I fought Graz'zt 15:43 PeterQ: there are ttyrecs 15:43 can watch the ttyrec 15:43 no games have a built-in replay feature except nh4 variants 15:44 -!- O-dog1 has joined #hardfought 15:44 ._-~~)~~---_ 15:44 ( ( }_ 15:44 _( `-, ) -~~- ( , 15:44 (,_` --( ,.'.._,-' ) 15:44 { ,' _- )~- ) (_ ' ) 15:44 ( `, ,'~~~~-_~ _ -_) 15:44 ((())),-;__ )^- ~' 15:44 (())_- _}`~~~~ } 15:44 ; { /' { 15:44 / { } ; } 15:44 -!- O-dog1 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2612 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 872 points, T:2615, killed by a hill orc, while fainted from lack of food 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6 points, T:42, killed by a boiling potion 15:47 * aosdict would think someone named PaciFIST would at least play monk 15:49 I can only find ttyrecs for unethack, none for dNethack 15:49 well if it was on hdf it exists somewhere 15:50 !lastgame PeterQ 15:50 aosdict: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/P/PeterQ/dnethack/dumplog/1534627126.dnh.txt 15:50 here? https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/P/PeterQ/dnethack/ 15:51 Ah yes thx, I was on www.hardfought 15:53 <@Luxidream> aosdict: as it is right now they would probably get played like orc wizards 15:53 <@Luxidream> ignoring most of their class perks and gearing up 15:53 as it is right now? is there a proposal somewhere with defined benefits/abilities? 15:54 <@Luxidream> I think so. don't remember where it is though 15:55 I have some stuff on the YANI archive but nothing concrete 15:56 well actually it's workable as is, going back to look at it 15:57 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 16:00 EPI: polymorphing into any mindless creature immediately ends the game 16:00 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 28810 points, T:16920, killed by a soldier ant 16:02 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05 !who 16:05 FIQ: [hdf-us] PaciFIST [nh343] mightyquinn [sp] winny [nh361] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 16:14 aosdict: did you get my note about the monk quest choke point? Nice touch! 16:17 so if i find excalibur in a bones 16:17 that means i cannot dip for it?L 16:17 no 16:18 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18 I haven't heard anything but would love to hear any and all feedback on the monk quest home/locate/upper filler 16:18 <[Demo]> unless ur plying dnh 16:18 <[Demo]> then u can give it to a priest of an unknown god 16:19 i found my bones from an hour ago where i dipped for excalibur and proceeded to die from hunger 16:19 <@Luxidream> At least you don’t have to dip for it now 16:19 i suppose 16:19 bouquet: er the no was directed at you but happily it applied to winny as well 16:19 i also found a sunsword 16:19 <@Luxidream> and risk a million water moccasins 16:19 well, all the monk quest levels were swell. A good improvement. The canyon map was unique and a nice change from the usual. 16:20 has priest quest had changes? I was considering playing that class next. 16:20 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 16:21 Nope, not yet. The locate level outline is at https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Phol_ende_wodan/LevelsScratchpad#The_Demon_Pass_.28Priest_locate_level.29. Need a better map for the home level too (I already have the text outline) 16:22 Also, perceiving that as a canyon was... not the goal, but nethack lacks a real sort of "slope" terrain to emulate switchbacks 16:23 ideally you would be able to see more or less everything to your left and nothing to your right as you crossed the level 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh343] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 579 points, T:1971, killed by a monkey 16:25 <[Demo]> whoa these are dope maps 16:26 why thanks I made them myself 16:26 :P 16:26 heh 16:26 [Demo] make a map that spells out the word 'dope' 16:27 porkman mk II 16:27 <[Demo]> these are definitely all ending up in ndnh in some bastardized way or another, im sorry they are just so great that the appeal is so strong 16:27 they're NGPL as far as I'm concerned 16:27 some of them already have des files 16:28 <[Demo]> but it makes xnh look bad when stuff from it ends up in a shit variant 16:28 <[Demo]> like how slex makes dnh ana look bad 16:28 <[Demo]> and dnh binder 16:33 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:38 vanilla cav/(arc?) quest home is one of the worst designed levels in the game 16:38 *cough* monk home *cough* 16:39 I think you mean arc? caveman quest isn't awful... 16:39 cav quest home? 16:39 with the squeezing and shit? 16:39 xnh monk home had a great "temple in the bamboo jungle" feel to it. 16:39 oh right. the choke point. 16:39 choke point made sense for monk. 16:40 arc home isn't terrible I guess but I vastly prefer my College of Archeology design 16:40 bouquet: undiggable required choke points are an awful thing to put a player through 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2559 points, T:4512, killed by a human mummy 16:42 It wasn't really supposed to be in a jungle but hey, whatever works :D 16:43 sure, it makes sense for the monk, though. They're not supposed to wear body armor or carry much in the way of weapons so they can chuck a bag through easily enough. 16:43 * aosdict looks forward to getting more quest redesign feedback as the proportion of redesigned levels grows 16:43 * stenno was actually in a bamboo forest on a shrine/temple in japan 16:43 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 16:43 and it was super awesome 16:44 what ever happened to that idea of having cross-server viewing so alt.org folks could (w)atch games on hf? 16:45 anyway, time to play pool billard now 16:45 ^ dtype 16:45 K2: heh, need dgl support for some kind of subscription to another server's feeds 16:45 didn't octe have some setup for this? 16:46 or was that just shared save games 16:51 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:57 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 17:02 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:04 dtype: you mentioned the shared server viewing a couple weeks ago. 17:05 is that a thing or just a want? 17:05 want and agreement that I'm ok doing it in theory, but isn't done yet 17:07 cool. I always imagine the majority of alt.org players are unaware of the colorful variant options. Would be a good way to get exposure. 17:07 Who works on dgl? 17:10 isn't that paxed? 17:12 doesn't get much work these days, but paxed, me (old days), various other folks 17:13 bouquet: ... and the vast majority of _nethack_ players in general are playing locally, maybe using some late 90s spoilers, unaware of the wiki or servers or variants 17:14 or IRC for that matter 17:14 I played locally for ages before I felt I was good enough to join the masses online. 17:15 aosdict: I feel like more people would know about the wiki than about any other kind of spoiler 17:16 bouquet: yes in some cases it seems weirdly like people perceive server play to be an elite club? and it totally isn't 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1995 17:22 I sucked on the server before anyone else 17:22 still do 17:23 bouquet: funny thing is, that playing online and being in irc will actually propel you into that "elite" group much faster than playing locally 17:23 in as much as the learning curve tends to be faster that way 17:23 again, not an elite group 17:24 I'm probably the worst player here 17:25 I've never actually managed to get past the quest 17:25 But without everyone else, I'd probably still be stuck starving somewhere in the first 5 levels 17:28 heh dtype and his ultimate server seniority 17:28 aosdict: I put my suckiness on display as a proof of concept. ;) 17:29 IIRC hdf (as a general gaming server) is actually older than NAO, but wasn't actually a nethack server until a few years ago? 17:29 I can state with some authority about the "on display" part though, as the game watching thing... 17:30 fishhook.fi predates nao 17:30 but they just had bones/top scores 17:31 even nao didn't start to rise faster until game watching. was kind of the hook. 17:31 I believe hdf started as a quake server 17:32 anywho... my goal in this community is to get more people interested in Nethack altogether. That includes variants. 17:32 hdf is the variant server friendly for sure 17:32 nao is vanilla nazis 17:32 lol 17:32 "purists" 17:33 Does nao uses nh361-hdf or vanilla or it's own fork? 17:33 nao is nh361 pure 17:33 So no curses? 17:33 not the tangles curses stuff, no 17:34 nothing against it, just doing vanilla since 3.6 (and was only a particularly maintained 343-nao fork before that) 17:34 no curses of any type. 17:34 well technically all of nethack is curses 17:34 If they had curses I might play there for all those sweet bones. 17:35 more players=more bones 17:35 or maybe hdf could herse some alt.org bones over ;) 17:35 But also more players to "consume" bones, right? 17:35 343-nao had the curses interface so I'm guessing a lot of people were complaining 17:36 About it being dropped 17:36 I try not to mention "x variant has this" or "x variant fixes this common vanilla problem you're complaining about" in #nethack, but it gets hard sometimes 17:36 -!- dell30 has joined #hardfought 17:38 Nah, we need to attract more people to hdf 17:38 I played a lot on nao and switched to hardfought because I wanted to try dNH, and there are also some features I miss here 17:38 Like what? 17:39 color coded BUC in inventory 17:40 That's a thing 17:40 You need to enable it in your nethackrc 17:40 I don't actually know how I just copied my rc from aosdict 17:41 cool, I'll check it out 17:41 there also some balance issues with variants based on 3.4.3 17:42 Oh yeah, MENUCOLOR 17:42 ... but I *have* menucolors configured. 17:43 or at least I do in 3.6.1, not sure whether I ever played 3.4.3 here 17:43 PeterQ: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/RmvOrIZy31hHRYTa6E8SIg 17:48 Wow, that looks pretty nice 17:50 3.6.1 also has color coding for some other things, like gaining/losing attribute, low HP, encumberance, hunger 17:52 Status highlights: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/~LWge-dTxoW~Jw11dfwsRA 17:53 PeterQ: If you use ^ you may need to check if your terminal supports black or pick a different color for extremely low HP 17:57 so many exciting characters and glyphs in utf-8... surely you could spare one for zruty ;) 17:58 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 17:58 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:14 17:59 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:15 18:00 [U+01BB]ruty 18:00 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of slow digestion", on T:16 18:00 :) 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4251 18:00 bouquet: Monsters all have to be ASCII, if only for genocide purposes 18:00 I kid 18:00 i swear i have a deathwish 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5150 points, T:4256, killed by a mumak 18:01 mumak'd in the face? 18:01 What about ungenocideable monsters 18:01 totally avoidable 18:01 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:27 18:01 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:30 18:03 sometimes you gotta grab the mumak by the tusks and ride it. 18:03 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:05 PavelB: just copy-pasting the status highlights config does not work for me, at least not for dNH 18:05 IDK anything about dnh 18:05 It might just not support it 18:10 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "", on T:33 18:11 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2257 points, T:34, quit, in explore mode 18:13 <@rikersan> it should work 18:13 What a trippy feeling!--More-- 18:13 UHHHHHHHH 18:13 <@rikersan> make sure you have the right regexes 18:13 <@rikersan> I don't remember whether hdf uses posix or nah 18:14 <@rikersan> cc PeterQ 18:15 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "greased blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1 18:15 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:10 18:15 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "greased blessed +2 ring of slow digestion", on T:11 18:16 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "greased blessed fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:14 18:16 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 magic marker", on T:17 18:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] PavelB (Val Dwa Fem Law), 39 points, T:31, killed by a sewer rat, while frozen by a potion 18:17 @rikersan already the first line "OPTIONS=statushilites" (without the quotes) gives an error 18:17 <@rikersan> hm 18:17 <@rikersan> obtw 18:17 <@rikersan> how'd you get rhon? 18:17 <@rikersan> I saw you had it in your invent but you're neutral 18:17 <@rikersan> (and a convict lel) 18:18 <@rikersan> oh 18:18 wishing, it's not intelligent 18:18 <@rikersan> huh it's just knight favoring? til 18:18 <@rikersan> status highlights isn't in dnh 18:18 <@rikersan> try statuscolors 18:19 <@rikersan> cc PeterQ 18:19 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Statuscolors 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6158 18:22 Thx, it worked 18:22 <@rikersan> cool 18:22 <@rikersan> happy to help 18:23 <@rikersan> did you use hte necro to get expert lance? 18:23 No, lost souls 18:23 <@rikersan> ah nice 18:23 <@rikersan> who's lance? 18:23 <@rikersan> oh berith 18:24 yeah, also riding 18:24 though convicts can get basic anways I think? 18:24 <@rikersan> what are you riding? 18:24 <@rikersan> anything? 18:24 <@rikersan> believe so 18:24 my 2nd ki-rin 18:25 <@rikersan> nope riding is restricted 18:25 first one died to water on the dagon level 18:25 And I watched the ttyrec to find out what happened to the items stolen by Graz't 18:26 He died to a disintegration breath from a black dragon, and I broke a teleport wand directly after 18:26 The only time I tried dnh I picked anachrononaught 18:26 Which was probably a bad idea 18:27 @rikersan Can disintegration destroy (artifact) weapons? And can a broken wand teleport items to other levels? 18:27 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27 <@rikersan> no and no 18:27 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 18:27 <@rikersan> the items mihgt have tele'd into water tho 18:29 @rikersan No water on the level. I collected every single item on the level and quaffed a potion of object detection afterwards, didn't see anything 18:29 <@rikersan> huh 18:29 <@rikersan> if you have wishes you could try marauder's map 18:31 I might get lucky with smoky potions, but I wished for 4 artifacts 18:32 already 18:32 <@Luxidream> hdf-us Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 magic marker", on T:17 18:32 <@rikersan> hm ok 18:32 <@Luxidream> RIP 18:50 aosdict: I think the person with the most completely formed ideas about druid role is probably ais523. 18:51 And the basic idea of it was that you'd use intrinsic polycontrol to accomplish mostly everything. 18:56 <[Demo]> sounds a lot like doppleganger but with anchoring factors? 18:59 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 19:04 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:04 -!- noty has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:11 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 47282 points, T:11143, killed by a mumak 19:12 [Demo]: It would have limitations, that force it to rely on polyforms. For example, ais wants to give them a single-digit number of inventory slots. 19:12 <[Demo]> wow 19:12 But they would start with intrinsic polycontrol and probably a wand of polymorph, and gain intrinsic polymorphitis pretty early. 19:13 The idea is that they are supposed to overcome all challenges using polyforms in some way. 19:13 They need *minimum* three inventory slots to do the Invocation. 19:14 Armor is basically useless to them, because they're gonna poly out of it anyway. 19:14 They're supposed to use high- or elemental-damage polyforms rather than weapons. 19:14 Or become something fast and flee. 19:14 Or a xorn and phase away. 19:14 Or something. 19:18 items are half of the game though 19:19 [hdf-us] [fh] Misty (Tolemanes) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "greased blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:4020 19:19 <@Luxidream> shouldn't they be limited to animals or something? otherwise it would be MMF: the game 19:22 and the inventory slot linmit can easily be circumvented by bags 19:24 <@Luxidream> half of the game would be spent running around in an inediate polyform shuffling things in and out of chests 19:31 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 19:35 @Luxidream: MMF? 19:46 hi 19:46 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 19:50 -!- papabear69 has joined #hardfought 19:50 5,5##0,0##0,0##0,0##0,0##0,0##0,0##4,4##4,4##4,4##0,0##0,0##0,0##0,0##0,0##0,0##0,0## 19:50