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I’ve only ascended twice, and I play every game like a speed ascension. I’m a pretty decent coder though. 01:26 Will do, AntiGulp! 01:27 does amy still use notepad as an editor 01:27 Notepad as an editor for C? That sounds painful 01:27 indeed 01:28 -!- sscout15 has joined #hardfought 01:28 -!- sscout15 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 01:28 i think it was the choice because it was the only one that could open 2MB+ source files 01:28 quickly 01:29 That sounds right, I know the monst.c file for slex is absolutely massive. 01:30 indeed 01:30 how is your variant going along? i still have that marathon monk from junethack 01:30 but i will probably die soon 01:31 monk was _not_ a good choice for marathon mode 01:31 i think the best one is samurai 01:31 or even valk 01:32 -!- SporkWitch6 has joined #hardfought 01:32 -!- SporkWitch6 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 01:32 or maybe rogue/ranger 01:33 Splice is in a pretty good spot right now. I’ve (fingers crossed) ironed out most of the bugs and super unbalanced stuff, and integrated a bunch of QOL things. My next couple goals are making cartomancer more interesting and making it tiles compatible. 01:33 is cartomancer like a tourist? 01:34 Currently yeah, with a focus on scrolls. 01:34 (sorry, i am a bit out of the loop) 01:43 ah well time to find a place where to smoke my last cigarette and then it's boarding time i guess 01:44 Have a good trip! 01:47 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:55 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 01:57 -!- matthiaskrgr10 has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- matthiaskrgr10 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 02:06 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 02:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:28 -!- Colti6 has joined #hardfought 02:28 -!- Colti6 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 02:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:22 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:38 -!- Guest9308 has joined #hardfought 03:38 -!- Guest9308 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 04:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:46 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:56 -!- Char0n has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- Char0n has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:10 -!- guest3546 has joined #hardfought 05:17 -!- guest3546 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:23 -!- astag has joined #hardfought 05:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:28 . 05:28 LarienTelrunya: Messages from aosdict have been forwarded to you privately. 05:29 wtf does that happen if there's too many messages? 05:32 -!- Hrogart has joined #hardfought 05:35 !tell K2 O great and wise master of the hardfought server, this humble girl has finished the slex makeover, or at least she hopes that it now fulfills the criteria for continued hosting on the server. And if it still doesn't, I shall make it so that it does fulfill them. Is there perhaps a chance that 2.3.0 be put on the server? *angelic fleece bundle* ♥ 05:35 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:02 -!- Ohelig12 has joined #hardfought 06:02 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 06:08 -!- Ohelig12 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:18 LarienTelrunya: cool beans regarding the slex category; now what about that section for slex on the !oGL page? IMO one sentence of strategy advice that addresses a corner case does not warrant a whole section for SLEX. 06:19 blagh I'm not in the habit of doing . 06:19 yeah, maybe there should be a "variants" section instead that begins with "In SLASH'EM, it does foo" and then also mentions "In SLEX you have to be aware that bar can happen" 06:19 I'll address it later 06:21 Yes, that would be in line with the de facto standard for multiple variants, but what I have issue with is that that tidbit of strategy advice is not really about the potion at all; it just describes a piece of AI. 06:21 -!- thunderrd has joined #hardfought 06:21 -!- thunderrd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21 And come to think of it, it's not even and AI _change_ is it? Your pet can still wander into a shop and quaff !oGL in vanilla. 06:21 s/and/an 06:21 yeah, in slex it's generally so that monsters can use many items; personally I find the information unimportant 06:22 in vanilla, kittens and little dogs can't quaff the potion; in slex they can 06:22 YANI: if a potion breaks by falling on the floor a cat or dog can lap it up and get the effect 06:23 if it were me, the line could be removed from the article entirely as it doesn't really come up that often and if it does, it can help you identify the potion so it's not even generally bad 06:23 yeah I will remove 06:23 raisse: ooh, puddles? elona has that, would be nice to have them for nethack too, potions of acid could then create a temporary acid pool to continuously damage monsters :) 06:23 like, the SLASH'EM section is good and substantial and describes both changes the variant makes directly to the potion and how the player can use that 06:27 LarienTelrunya: it could also continuously damage the player, which is more interesting IMO: say you're holding the door at Ludios, and a soldier throws acid that creates a puddle at your feet and begins damaging you turn by turn, or confusion whose vapors keep getting you confused, etc. 06:28 It'd make it harder to stand in one spot and fight a bunch of stuff, which is probably a good thing 06:28 maybe the vapors could be similar to stinking clouds and even move around a bit or expand? ;) 06:29 SMOP :P 06:29 already enough of a smop to define a puddle of potion lying on the ground 06:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:42 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 06:43 -!- vectr0n18 has joined #hardfought 06:43 -!- vectr0n18 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 06:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:46 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:47 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 06:47 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:59 -!- AC`97_ has joined #hardfought 06:59 -!- AC`97_ has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:10 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 07:23 -!- astag has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:24 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 07:24 -!- astag has joined #hardfought 07:24 -!- Hrogart has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25 -!- Hrogart has joined #hardfought 07:25 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:28 -!- Guest34932 has joined #hardfought 07:28 -!- Guest34932 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:46 -!- mulligan has joined #hardfought 07:47 -!- Me4502 has joined #hardfought 07:47 -!- Me4502 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:49 -!- mulligan has quit [Client Quit] 07:50 -!- swoolley28 has joined #hardfought 07:50 -!- swoolley28 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:53 -!- pk1212 has joined #hardfought 07:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:56 -!- pk1212 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:57 hi 07:57 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 07:57 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-08-18 05:35 EDT: O great and wise master of the hardfought server, this humble girl has finished the slex makeover, or at least she hopes that it now fulfills the criteria for continued hosting on the server. And if it still doesn't, I shall make it so that it does fulfill them. Is there perhaps a chance that 2.3.0 be put on the server? *angelic fleece bundle* ♥ 07:58 !tell LarienTelrunya yup, and thank you. probably wont happen until after the weekend, I have a VIP guest staying at the house this weekend 07:58 Will do, K2! 07:58 ah I see :) 07:58 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-08-18 07:58 EDT: yup, and thank you. probably wont happen until after the weekend, I have a VIP guest staying at the house this weekend 07:59 and thanks for showing me the path to enlightenment, you managed to free me from the darkness that had compelled me to make those silly variant-bashing messages! 07:59 hah 08:00 * aosdict passes out potions of enlightenment 08:04 you're still developping SLEX, how enlighted can you be? 08:08 YASI: potion of endarkenment. Behaves like enlightenment but all the non-verifiable attributes it tells you are lies. 08:08 bhaak: not completely enlightened of course, but I can at least attempt to slightly repair slex's reputation 08:11 heh, there's a NOGARLIC flag in the code 08:11 wielding fruit... 08:12 I assume you've seen that sketch K2 08:12 refresh my memory please 08:12 self defense against fresh fruit 08:13 that smacks of monty python 08:13 hah it is 08:13 yes 08:14 lol... watching the skit 08:18 brandishing a raspberry hah 08:20 assailed with a banana 08:22 -!- linear5 has joined #hardfought 08:22 -!- linear5 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:23 -!- spacemud has joined #hardfought 08:23 -!- spacemud has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:25 -!- nesthib has joined #hardfought 08:25 -!- nesthib has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:30 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30 -!- moondoggy7 has joined #hardfought 08:30 -!- moondoggy7 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:31 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 08:37 well, you can 08:37 you just need to be careful ;) 08:38 is someone unregistered saying something? 08:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv astag Chris_ANG dograt] by K2 08:39 forgot to identify :P 08:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv elenmirie_ Hrogart introsp3ctive] by K2 08:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv LarienTelrunya MisteryMyra remirol] by K2 08:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Tarmunora] by K2 08:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v [Demo]] by K2 08:40 is there a way to autoidentify upon connect? 08:40 yes 08:40 pretty much all irc clients can performs commands on connect 08:40 just put your /msg nickserv identify line in that perform function 08:44 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:48 you can also use SASL 08:48 which is arguably less finicky 08:48 more SASL less hassle 08:49 a rare event i've noticed is services may not like talking to you right after a successful connection 08:49 also i think u need to use SASL if you want to use certain connection methods (such as tor) 08:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:50 sweet, hiding monsters can now move right through grass at normal speed and undetected 08:51 -!- talisein18 has joined #hardfought 08:51 -!- talisein18 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:51 -!- rwg3 has joined #hardfought 08:51 -!- rwg3 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:54 <@Luxidream> aosdict: have you implemented wild Pokemon yet 08:54 <@Luxidream> :p 08:57 @Luxidream oh you want me to implement JRPG style battles? 08:57 A wild GARTER SNAKE appeared! 08:59 <@Luxidream> That should be YAFM for uncovering monsters in grass 09:01 I'll add it as a hallucinatory message to replace "Wait! There's [a monster] hiding under the foo!" 09:01 -!- swarfega10 has joined #hardfought 09:01 -!- swarfega10 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 09:03 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05 ...wait, crap, defsyms doesn't correspond directly to level types. 09:05 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 998 points, T:2399, killed by a water demon 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1639 points, T:2801, killed by a dingo, while praying 09:38 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 09:43 <@Luxidream> aosdict: what is your stance of capitalization on the nethack wiki? some articles have names of common items capitalized like Potion of Gain Level, others have monsters capitalized like Jabberwocks or Tigers 09:44 <@Luxidream> I think that only artifacts, named monsters, and role names should be capitalized 09:44 Well, you mean the titles of pages? 09:44 Like, the !oGL page is "Potion of gain level" 09:44 <@Luxidream> inside articles 09:45 in the article body, I personally would never write "Use a Potion of Gain Level here..." "Watch out for Jabberwocks..." etc 09:45 <@Luxidream> like referring to a potion of gain level as a Potion of Gain Level 09:45 <@Luxidream> yeah 09:45 they're not proper nouns 09:45 <@Luxidream> a lot of people do this though. I fixed some that I saw before, but I think there are still articles like this 09:46 <@Luxidream> should there be something noting this in the style page or something 09:46 I don't think the style guide says one way or another 09:46 here's what we'll do: 09:47 I'll add this as a new topic on the style guide talk page as a proposed addition. you review and comment on it (and if you could also comment on the variants section thing from earlier that'd be great) 09:48 <@Luxidream> okay. well, I agree with you on the variants issue. it seems like a lot of pages already do this and it works fairly well 09:50 actually, I'm not going to bother going through the talk page. I'm just going to add it to the style guide because it's a sensible convention 09:51 <@Luxidream> thanks. it gets on my nerves a little bit. 09:52 and after that, edit away 09:53 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 10:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv AntiGulp introsp3ctive tacco|] by K2 10:03 what the heck, I did not intend to submit that yet. I mean, I was finished and typing in the edit summary, but still. 10:07 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4033 10:08 it was a book titled "how 2 rede" 10:08 <@Luxidream> Anti-magic trap: 10:08 <@Luxidream> "Monsters that can cast spells or have a breath weapon may be affected by this trap the same way as the player: they will lose 2d2 Pw unless they are magic resistant" 10:09 <@Luxidream> don't monsters cast on timer 10:09 <@Luxidream> rather than using pw 10:09 <@Luxidream> or is my understanding fundamentally flawed 10:09 hang on let me source dive it 10:10 their mspec_used is increased by 2d2 10:10 which is not the same as Pw 10:11 <[Demo]> is that also used for dragon breaths? 10:11 it says in a comment that that's the "special ability attack timeout" 10:11 <@Luxidream> so that would be 2d2 turns? 10:11 <[Demo]> so attacking the chromatic dragon from a range might not be the worst idea? 10:11 not sure it maps directly to turns 10:12 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:12 it might though 10:13 it seems like it is turns, and represents the number of turns a monster has to wait before it can use its special ability again. 10:13 It gets decremented in mon_regen, so turns seems right 10:16 <@Luxidream> alright, I'm editing the page then 10:16 I don't think the wiki documents mspec_used anywhere, actually. 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3435 10:18 * aosdict creates a macro, decides on name explain_terrain because it rhymes 10:22 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:24 -!- erasmus has joined #hardfought 10:24 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:24 -!- erasmus has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 10:25 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1764 points, T:3642, killed by a rothe 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:196 10:29 Ah, my old friend fatal error: too many errors emitted 10:30 I see you added a SAVE THE ZRUTYS shirt 10:30 Had to keep with the times 10:31 (For the record if I had to chose a monster to remove it would be the Zruty) 10:31 :P 10:31 capturing the zeitgeist 10:32 <@Luxidream> lemures are pretty pointless 10:33 there are three of them in juiblex's level and... that's it. 10:34 Further grave prayer YANI: create lemures as one of the effects 10:35 <@Luxidream> oh, AntiGulp: do you think it would be overpowered to let the Void Lily always reshuffle offensive spell cards 10:35 <@Luxidream> so that cartomancer can actually fight with cards 10:35 It would be hilarious certainly 10:36 Cartomancer is in a state of flux right now. I’m currently trying to decide what sort of changes to make to them so that they are fun and stand out, like the Pirate. 10:36 <@Luxidream> what did you think of the YANI I sent you? 10:36 <@Luxidream> imo they should be buffed overall. right now they're not very fun 10:37 I generally like it, especially the card rarities idea. And yeah, they majorly need a buff. 10:38 <[Demo]> give them the ability to swim in cards 10:38 <@Demo> Oh shit I'm voiced whoops 10:40 YASI: create a monster that's just like a grid bug, except a different color glyph, different name, very minor stat differences that are neither strictly worse nor strictly better, sort of a toss up, and then make them occur only in Gehennom. 10:41 Oh, wait, we already have that, except they're like manes instead of like grid bugs. 10:42 <[Demo]> manes can't move diagnoal? 10:42 <@Luxidream> manes grow up into lemures though 10:43 <@Luxidream> which is a demon growing up into a devil 10:43 <[Demo]> Wait is this just an advanced way to make fun of how dumb manes are? 10:43 <@Luxidream> which makes zero sense 10:43 Manes can move diagonally. 10:43 <[Demo]> I don't worship Satan so I don't know, what's the difference? 10:44 * AntiGulp cracks open book of D&D demon and devil lore 10:44 <[Demo]> are devils spikier? 10:44 <@Luxidream> demon: chaotic evil 10:44 <@Luxidream> devil: lawful evil 10:44 Demons and devils hate each other 10:44 And are distinct “species” 10:44 <@Luxidream> but apparently in nethack they coexist peacefully and are the same thing 10:45 -!- bambams11 has joined #hardfought 10:45 -!- bambams11 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 10:46 <[Demo]> so the demon prince vs lord think should have devil vs demon in it 10:46 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:48 hey cool I just discovered that slex lets me name a warhorse while I'm riding it! does that work in vanilla too? 10:50 !who 10:50 bug_sniper: Message from AntiGulp at 2018-08-18 01:26 EDT: almost certainly not. I’ve only ascended twice, and I play every game like a speed ascension. I’m a pretty decent coder though. 10:50 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [nh4] k2 [spl] winny [nh361] ptaff [nh361] knavery [nh361] Silver2195 [xnh] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] Schmensch [nh361] Vis [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 10:50 <@Luxidream> I think it's currently indicated by their alignment (lawful = devil). but yeah, for accuracy, they aren't all demons 10:51 The same thing> the summoning rules have a vestige of the distinction 10:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:55 <[Demo]> might be a slashem thing 10:55 <@Luxidream> I can't think of a reason why they would all be chilling in hell peacefully though 10:55 <@Luxidream> I think Pinkbeast means the demon gating thing: they only summon demons of the same alignment 10:56 NetHack's theology is a bit confused anyway 10:56 <@Luxidream> also, where did demogorgon >> asmodeus come from 10:57 Eh, why not? 11:00 -!- SebastianFlyte18 has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- SebastianFlyte18 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:02 <@Tone> That Apuleius quote at the top of the Wikipedia page is interesting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manes 11:04 wew 11:04 i just tamed a chameleon or doppleganger while it was shapeshifted into a dog 11:07 -!- piklu17 has joined #hardfought 11:07 -!- piklu17 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:08 <@Tone> Some interesting reading here too https://www.thoughtco.com/lares-larvae-lemures-manes-roman-ghosts-112671 11:08 <@Tone> "In Ovid's Fasti 5.422, the Manes and Lemures are synonymous and both hostile, in need of exorcism via the Lemuria." 11:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5575 points, T:7818, killed by a soldier ant 11:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 5641 points, T:7082, killed by a dwarf king 11:15 The gender code in nethack is a mess my GOODNESS. 11:15 indeed 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6873 11:19 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 11:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 11:23 Eh, it's no worse than the elemental damage code. 11:23 ;-) 11:24 lol 11:24 lol 11:24 stepped on a trap and all of a sudden i was blind, deaf, and had 5 jackals around me 11:25 i guess is what happened 11:28 -!- Hrogart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:31 elbereth 11:31 elbereth is quite hard to do if you're blind 11:34 FIQ expressed some dissatisfaction with that particular magic trap effect in the past; I don't know if he changed it in fiqhack 11:34 <[Demo]> I can sort of see why 11:35 <[Demo]> really magic traps should just come a few levels later 11:35 EPI: sometimes, the magic trap's monster-summoning effect has stun as a side effect to make it harder to fight them. :P 11:37 @ a human or elf (tame healer called aosdict the embalmer) # chat Talk to whom? (in what direction) "What?" 11:37 aosdict: I would have expected you to say something about game balance ;) 11:41 aosdict / AntiGulp - what would be the benefit of wearing plastic armor other than it shouldnt interfere with spellcasting 11:41 Can’t rust? 11:41 does it weigh less? 11:41 but plastic can burn if you're hit by fire 11:42 K2: it's pretty light 11:43 ok thanks 11:43 YANI you gain and lose weight depending on your hunger 11:43 it really depends on what you are comparing the plastic to 11:43 what's the base item 11:45 plastic studded armor (vs leather) 11:51 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 11:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:57 The transvestite called aosdict the disguiser turns into a bus! 11:57 from amy's game 11:57 -!- Turandot has joined #hardfought 11:57 -!- Turandot has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:59 heh, aosdict is my tame doppelganger, and he keeps transforming into all kinds of monsters, but usually player monsters 12:00 greetings from dublin o7 12:01 o/ 12:01 stenno: is that the roguelike conference? 12:01 There was an EVE meet at the Helsinki Worldcon; if there's one at the Dublin Worldcon I'll be very disappointed if it's not called "ISK Dublin" 12:01 a few of us are going to dublin worldcon next year 12:02 So are we; I imagine there will also be a NetHack meet but I don't have a punny name for that one 12:02 dubhack 12:02 dubstep? 12:02 :P 12:03 <@Tone> Yeah magic traps can be pretty brutal 12:03 LarienTelrunya: just doing vacation with attie here 12:03 amy, how do you decide who to name what? 12:03 <[Demo]> dubhack lol 12:04 stenno: ah, nice :) 12:04 <@Tone> like a fire trap on dlvl 1? wtf 12:04 Pinkbeast: as we get closer to worldcon next year we should tally up everyone from nethack community who's going and meet up 12:04 i'll buy first round 12:04 \o/ 12:04 K2: Raisse organised the Helsinki one - might be worth comparing notes with her 12:04 bug_sniper: it's more or less random, I pick names of people from the chat and name my pets accordingly; those who were in my junethack clan usually get the privilege of being used for stronger pets :D 12:05 yup so far from teamsplat its me her and elenmirie_ that are going 12:05 we were in helsinki last year, and in dublin this year lol 12:05 working on a few others heh 12:05 bad timing 12:05 * Pinkbeast raises an eyebrow having been in that clan 12:05 * stenno is, as he mentioned quite some times already, actually a founding member of teamsplat 12:05 Tangles is at my house right now; i'm working on convincing him to go 12:06 I think I'm really a member of Team Ant :-) 12:06 oh neat I didn't know he was visiting this weekend 12:06 heh 12:06 me and Tangles from neighborhood party last night - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2495 12:06 he brought me some rum from Australia 12:07 its gooooooood 12:07 That's a fine beard one of you has 12:07 nice instagram color tones 12:07 Tangles is the one with hair 12:07 pretty sure K2 is the bald one, oh sorry, with very short hair 12:07 :P 12:07 :P 12:07 K2: awwwww where did your bundle go? :/ 12:07 oh god 12:07 hahaha! 12:07 so many ways to inappropriately answer that 12:07 * LarienTelrunya wants to bundle the lovely K2 even though he doesn't have a bundle right now 12:08 http://www.happyponyland.net/irdc-2012 has a photo of me and other roguelike types 12:08 I am laughing so hard right now 12:08 speaking of which, our neighbor used to be a bundle woman and also had her hair cut short, which makes me sad :( but at least my magical roommate still has a very long bundle! 12:09 also my roommate wants me to say "fleece bundle" in the chat once every 20 minutes, that would totally not be annoying :P 12:09 Pinkbeast awesome! 12:09 * aosdict is intrigued by who LarienTelrunya homes in on bundling and who she doesn't 12:09 <@rikersan> wait, k2 had long hair? 12:09 LarienTelrunya you cant bundle me. i dont think you could handle it 12:09 <@rikersan> at one point? 12:09 yes 12:09 <@rikersan> isn't that like illegal in the military 12:09 @rikersan i did 12:09 <@rikersan> or is that why it left 12:09 was pre military 12:10 <@rikersan> ah ok 12:10 early 90s long hair? 12:10 mid 90's 12:10 well early yeah 12:10 and 80's 12:10 <@rikersan> I'm picturing k2 looking like dave grohl rn 12:10 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 12:11 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/pix/a4.jpg is probably my favourite picture of me but has no roguelike content 12:11 @rikersan - https://www.hardfought.org/images/me_long.jpg - took that in 1997 12:11 umm, pretty sure there's a doquiver command or what it's called, which shows what's currently in your quiver, but I don't know what it is? 12:12 K2: ommmmmmmmmmg *bundlebundlebundlebundlebundle* that somehow reminds me of my roommate's hair! 12:12 lol 12:13 my hair was a foot longer than what you see in the pic 12:13 rock band days 12:13 such a long bundle! ♥ 12:13 I think K2 missed the calling to form a rock band 12:13 or maybe was a decade too late for that hairstyle 12:14 -!- noah2 has joined #hardfought 12:14 -!- noah2 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:14 hah 12:15 Pinkbeast: bhaak too? I didnt think he'd look so clean cut 12:15 K2: Well, he did six years ago :-) 12:15 LarienTelrunya i thought you'd seen my long hair pic before 12:15 DarkGod was the person who looked least like I expected, I think 12:16 Pinkbeast hahah 12:16 * aosdict steals a bunch of antigulp's new epitaphs 12:16 K2: maybe I did, but didn't remember 12:16 aosdict: heh I'm gonna steal them too :D 12:16 didnt remember? *gasp* 12:16 and the shirt messages 12:16 K2: did I also say "bundlebundlebundle! such a long bundle! ♥" back then? 12:17 aosdict: gotta add 'mandatory fun shirt' 12:17 is that a reference 12:17 * K2 is wearing his mandatory fun shirt right now 12:17 yes 12:17 army thing 12:17 LarienTelrunya probably 12:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 12:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:31 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 12:38 here's a picture of me and paxed https://valdyas.org/irina/fo3/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/paxedauthorselfie.jpg 12:38 and K2: the long hair suits you 12:38 Paxed looks exactly like I expected paxed to look 12:38 :) 12:39 paxed looks a lot jollier than I imagined him 12:39 I was expecting someone taller but he's about my height (5'5") 12:39 raisse: great pic 12:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:39 he was rounding up writers and taking selfies with them :-) 12:40 -!- icywiz9 has joined #hardfought 12:40 -!- icywiz9 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 12:45 !players 12:45 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] Luxidream [nh4] k2 [spl] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] Vis [nh361] astag [nh361] elenmirie [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:45 <@rikersan> i thought that was k2 still posting pics 12:45 <@rikersan> and I was like "wait, since when is paxed a woman" 12:46 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 12:46 <@rikersan> where was that photo taken raisse? 12:47 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 12:47 Helsinki Worldcon, if I'm not very much mistaken 12:49 time to update the xnh wiki page I think 12:49 K2: pushed a few fixes and monster hiding in grass 12:52 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:53 ok 12:59 now looking for a restaurant 13:01 oh bouquet have you come across the updated monk quest levels yet? 13:04 NetHack 3.6.1-hdf updated (all servers) 13:04 ^ now inline with 3.6.2 beta bug fixes and such 13:04 cool, you may want to edit the shiny new 3.6.2 wiki page at some point 13:05 never! 13:05 because I said it wasn't available to play anywhere 13:07 xNetHack updated (all servers) 13:19 Wish I could play the new xnh update but am camping for the next couple days 13:24 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 13:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 13:26 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 13:27 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:29 <[Demo]> add a new race that starts with can so we can play as tou can 13:29 <[Demo]> does slex have a Canadian race? 13:29 <[Demo]> if u think about it tourists from Canada are just toucans 13:30 heh, there are a few combos in slex where the abbreviations form words, e.g. "MysElf" 13:31 <[Demo]> lol 13:31 That other roguelike with Sigmund has lots of word combos 13:31 Pinkbeast: FeAr MiNe HoMo KoCk BaBe :P (that often gets posted on 4chan) 13:31 <[Demo]> add an elf gender and alignment to slex 13:31 <[Demo]> so u can play elfelfelfelf 13:31 :D 13:32 <[Demo]> and then play with the name elf 13:32 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 13:38 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:40 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:42 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 13:54 -!- pmn has joined #hardfought 13:54 -!- pmn has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:06 -!- depleted has joined #hardfought 14:06 -!- depleted has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:14 PavelB: It's not a terribly interesting update, it will be more interesting when I redo Arc-home. 14:16 aosdict: You should put grass near the trees that can spawn at the Oracle variant that has them 14:17 No, because then I would have to add a GRASS command to the level parser, which is ridiculous 14:20 any tips on how to more easily get a weapon to #twoweapon with as a barbarian in the early game? 14:20 How do you normally do grass 14:20 i vapourize it 14:21 you shouldn't smoke it. combustion byproducts are bad for you 14:21 PavelB: it is either created as part of INIT_MAP (so, not the Oracle level) or placed on the MAP (also not the oracle level) 14:21 You might be able to do a TERRAIN:(13,13),'g', but eeh 14:21 hothraxxa lol 14:22 hothraxxa: eating it is the way to go ;) 14:22 it's good but difficult to control dosage 14:22 true 14:22 * aosdict still doesn't understand why teens get caught smoking weed when it's much more concealable to have eaten something hours ago 14:22 Baking requires a degree of forward planning. 14:23 eating is much more inconvenient 14:23 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:24 -!- Hijiri15 has joined #hardfought 14:24 -!- Hijiri15 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:25 -!- ohnx5 has joined #hardfought 14:25 -!- ohnx5 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:26 aosdict: doesn't it smell though 14:26 I dunno, I never did weed 14:26 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:27 Me neither, but I've been on public transport with people smoking weed 14:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:30 well yes, ok, that was my point, smoking weed is way more noticeable 14:31 Oh, I see. I mis-parsed your message 14:32 * aosdict recalls the boston common as being what seemed like the weed capital of massachusetts 14:41 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:43 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:45 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 14:47 <@rikersan> RIP 14:47 rikersan: Pinkbeast was right, it was worldcon 2017 at helsinki 14:53 -!- maskedlua20 has joined #hardfought 14:53 -!- maskedlua20 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:00 -!- Dread29 has joined #hardfought 15:00 -!- Dread29 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:05 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 15:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 93920 points, T:18687, killed by a blast of disintegration 15:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3329 points, T:2779, killed by a jaguar 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] daniidare (Arc Hum Fem Law), 602 points, T:1975, killed by a gnome lord 15:52 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 15:56 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 16:15 -!- irina|log has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:21 pesky kobolds 16:22 -!- mist6 has joined #hardfought 16:22 -!- Muadd has joined #hardfought 16:22 -!- mist6 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:25 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh4] toneLive (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 51120 points, T:4022, killed by a panther 16:26 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 16:31 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:32 YANI: When a concealing monster moves from one concealed spot to another, it will be unhidden with a very low chance dependent on Wisdom and boosted if you have autosearching, but that decreases with range. 16:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3082 16:48 K2: implementing a livelog for if a player kills a named pet. I don't think it will get particularly spammy, because it's not supposed to be a common occurrence, but I dunno if you want to have it on at all. 16:49 Also I dunno if anything in the sysconf needs changing because it uses a new LL flag. 16:50 -!- clarjon1 has joined #hardfought 16:50 -!- clarjon1 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:54 aosditct: that seems like a fun feature! 16:56 -!- guest3546 has joined #hardfought 16:56 -!- guest3546 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:59 -!- LEI13 has joined #hardfought 16:59 -!- LEI13 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:17 -!- liori7 has joined #hardfought 17:17 -!- liori7 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:21 -!- icywiz4 has joined #hardfought 17:22 -!- icywiz4 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:28 oh jesus 17:28 got my bones from earlier today 17:28 with all the crazy loot incl sunsword 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:8333 17:52 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 18:00 -!- change has joined #hardfought 18:00 -!- change has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:03 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 18:05 -!- APLU25 has joined #hardfought 18:05 -!- APLU25 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:05 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 18:06 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 18:09 -!- dystopia_ has joined #hardfought 18:09 -!- dystopia_ has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:13 <@Luxidream> RIP @Tone 18:14 <@Luxidream> Not watching the stream 18:14 <@Luxidream> But you can sit on Elbereth while doing the drawbridge 18:14 <@Luxidream> It doesn’t count as an offensive action 18:15 <@Tone> I'm playing 343, I had a string of like 50 Elbereths under me 😄 18:15 <@Tone> ooh 18:15 <@Tone> That xorn was inside the castle 18:15 <@Luxidream> ah, that’s rough 18:15 <@Tone> I was making a run from the first tower to try and get to another 18:16 <@Tone> when the first tower was empty I pretty much knew the game was over though 18:16 <@Tone> had a master lich spawn in the castle too 18:16 <@Tone> so I blind-wrote a scroll of genocide and geno'd it lol 18:17 <@Tone> it had already awoken the barracks though 18:21 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12333 18:27 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:31 <@Luxidream> shoot. You need so much luck for turn speedruns 18:31 <@Luxidream> and you can’t just make up for it by running around lol 18:32 <@Tone> yeah you are basically scumming for the first 1000 turns hoping for the right equipment 18:32 <@Tone> even when you get to the wand of wishing you need some luck in one form or another 18:33 <@Luxidream> What do you still need with a WoW 18:33 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:33 <@Luxidream> oh you mean after you get the castle one 18:33 <@Tone> well like the game I played earlier 18:33 <@Tone> yeah that castle one 18:33 <@Tone> it was 0:2 18:34 <@Tone> I wished for a marker and tried to write charging 18:34 <@Tone> ran out of scrolls 18:34 <@Tone> wished for charging 18:34 <@Tone> then wished for a polyself kit, speed boots, mkot 18:35 <@Tone> died to stupidity more or less, but I still had to figure out levelport sources, how to level up, etc 18:35 <@Tone> scrolls are usually pretty limiting 18:36 <@Luxidream> conflict is good for levels 18:36 <@Tone> actually I didn't really die to stupidity, that was part of it but it was mostly the soldier with the wand of lightning that blew up all of my wands and rings 18:36 <@Tone> losing the poly control ring ended the game basically 18:37 <@Luxidream> yeah that’s gg 18:37 <@Tone> and somehow I got stuck in a pit in the throne room 18:37 <@Luxidream> I lost a speedrun yesterday to a chest shock trap 18:37 <@Tone> must have been a monster with a wand of digging in there? 18:37 <@Luxidream> next to the norn 18:37 <@Luxidream> destroyed wow and ring of conflict 18:37 <@Tone> yeah those shock traps are bad 18:37 <@Tone> even in normal games 18:38 <@Tone> they do a lot of damage if you have a bunch of items that explode 18:39 <@Luxidream> gotta keep scumming for that early wow I guess 18:40 <@Luxidream> I still haven’t found one in vanilla 18:40 <@Tone> when I was reviewing Maud's first speed ascension, they got 2 in ~14 games 18:41 <@Tone> they were doing this monk speed ascension strat that involves playing as a jabberwock for the entire game and is very wish heavy 18:41 <@Luxidream> that would be awesomr 18:41 <@Luxidream> I timed my post castle without telecont 18:41 <@Luxidream> It’s 1:08 18:42 <@Tone> not bad really 18:42 <@Luxidream> if I get an early wand I can cut down my time a lot 18:42 <@Tone> yeah early wand is such a game changer 18:43 <@Luxidream> cuts out most of the 35 min doing sokoban and other dumb things 18:45 -!- Chex4 has joined #hardfought 18:45 -!- Chex4 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:15223 18:49 -!- astag has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02 -!- gregf has joined #hardfought 19:02 -!- gregf has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", on T:16225 19:13 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 19:14 -!- lostnord has joined #hardfought 19:14 -!- lostnord has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 19:23 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 19:33 -!- lucy_ has joined #hardfought 19:33 -!- lucy_ has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 19:37 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20793 19:50 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:03 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 20:03 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07 -!- hubcaps20 has joined #hardfought 20:07 -!- hubcaps20 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 20:15 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 20:26 -!- tacco| has quit [] 20:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:33 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:38777 20:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38781 20:39 go bouquet! 20:46 so what happens if I find a chest at the bottom of a flooded room? Apparently I can't loot things underwater. And the chest is too heavy to carry. 20:47 you could read uncursed earth to fill all the flooded spaces 20:47 also I thought you could loot while underwater, weird 20:48 scroll will get wet and go blank... I guess if I grease it first? 20:48 or levitate over the water 20:48 "You cannot loot things that are deep in the water." 20:48 yeah just saw by wiztesting 20:49 wonder if the code explains why... 20:49 are underwater chests "special"? 20:49 there was some talk of making them have a higher chance of a magic lamp. 20:49 how so? they have a 10% chance of a magic lamp 20:50 oh, you can evidently #tip underwater 20:50 that should be enough 20:52 ooh! I'll try that 20:53 a few bux and a nice stone 21:00 oh right, in addition to the lamp special case there's also 1000+1d1000 gold and up to 10 random gems 21:00 <@Luxidream> of course when I'm doing a fun run the wand is 0:3 -_- 21:00 what, they aren't all fun runs? :( 21:00 <@Luxidream> some of them are more stressful than others 21:04 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 21:05 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 21:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 21:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:40131 21:07 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 653 points, T:1818, killed by a dwarf zombie 21:12 -!- noonehere4u17 has joined #hardfought 21:12 -!- noonehere4u17 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:13 -!- jcline10 has joined #hardfought 21:13 -!- jcline10 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:15 this is the first run in memory I haven't found a wand of polymorph. Or a ring of slow digestion. I can live without that I guess. 21:18 -!- andirc5089 has joined #hardfought 21:18 -!- andirc5089 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 434 points, T:1359, killed by a rothe 21:22 -!- hvxgr7 has joined #hardfought 21:23 -!- hvxgr7 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 21:34 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 21:34 <@Luxidream> got a ruby, sapphire, emerald ring all in a line 21:36 -!- rogue has joined #hardfought 21:36 -!- rogue has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:36 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:41 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 21:49 -!- Xe29 has joined #hardfought 21:49 -!- Xe29 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:56 -!- Muadd has left #hardfought 21:56 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 22:12 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:12 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh4] I only play AA (Luxidream) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 286346 points, T:38493, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack4/dumplog/2018-08-19%2002%3A17%3A50%2C%20I%20only%20play%20AA-Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 22:29 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh13d] aximili (Nin Mal), 50 points, T:35, leprechaun 23:07 [hdf-us] [fh] aron (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the wizard of weston, the former Evoker, on T:1041 23:08 -!- MisteryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:10 -!- kasa has joined #hardfought 23:10 -!- kasa has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 23:13 [hdf-us] [fh] aron (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the human zombie of weston, the former Evoker, on T:1284 23:14 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:17 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:29 <@Tone> grats luxi 23:33 PavelB: further grave thingummy YANI: rather than have the trigger be praying, have it be ringing a bell while standing on top of the grave. Gets rid of the ickiness around #pray suddenly meaning something else. Plus there's already an association with graves and bells. 23:35 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 23:35 !tell ais523 Was there ever any formal design principle in nethack4 or elsewhere that said that wisdom exercise/abuse should be dependent only on the player's decisions, not the outcomes to a character? 23:35 Will do, aosdict! 23:36 !tell ais523 For example, if you could pull a lever and either a good thing happens that exercises Wisdom or a bad thing happens that abuses Wisdom, that wouldn't comply. 23:36 Will do, aosdict! 23:47 aosdict: bells are pretty rare and not very useful though, so I can't imagine someone would just have one around 23:49 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 23:50 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Client Quit] 23:52 <[Demo]> and heavy