00:00 aosdict: I do that all the time. Just today I wrote a script for sending an email. It filled out all the fields, checked authentication, compiled the smtp request, and then forgot to actually send it. 00:01 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:21 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:23 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 00:33 -!- sacredchao has joined #hardfought 00:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:49 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:53 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 00:54 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2603 01:08 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3882 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3886 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6401 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 27621 points, T:7491, killed by a touch of death 01:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3751 01:49 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 01:50 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52 Hey Chris, have you looked at the PR commits about spell stuff I've done? The first ~4 commits are pretty tame gameplay-changes-wise, but the last ~2 are stuff that you might want me to change 01:52 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5944 01:54 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 01:55 -!- okdas has joined #hardfought 01:55 -!- okdas has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 01:58 -!- Mercster has joined #hardfought 01:58 -!- Mercster has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:8928 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed greased scrolls of charging", on T:9625 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:9626 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of levitation", on T:9635 02:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:9888 02:16 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:11219 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:11274 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:12028 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:12030 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:13406 02:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of teleport control", on T:14100 02:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of magic mapping", on T:15429 02:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:15740 02:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:15742 02:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:16133 02:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:16516 02:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:17112 02:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:17115 02:50 -!- dysfigured20 has joined #hardfought 02:50 -!- dysfigured20 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 02:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:17208 02:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:17340 02:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:17344 02:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 161 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:18312 02:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:18512 02:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 188 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:18693 02:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:19101 03:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) averted death, on T:19384 03:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:19942 03:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:20437 03:07 -!- Guest16880 has joined #hardfought 03:07 -!- Guest16880 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 03:08 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:21531 03:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:22426 03:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:22427 03:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:22667 03:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:22674 03:14 !lotg luxidream 03:14 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, luxidream! 03:16 EPI: Rodney can still appear on the Astral Plane, and if killed there, will resurrect like riders and have a corpse that behaves like rider corpses. Super Mega EPI: and he can use all the riders' attacks at will, too. 03:16 Extra Mega EPI: and he becomes immune to death rays. 03:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:23138 03:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:23174 03:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:23193 03:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:23225 03:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:23264 03:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:23269 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 597608 points, T:23276, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1534484038.nh361.txt 03:18 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 03:19 congrats Luxidream! what was the real time of that run? is it a new record? 03:20 LarienTelrunya, you forgot to mention double trouble doubling them 03:20 bug_sniper: well he can do so already so I didn't feel like mentioning it :D 03:20 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 03:21 but I guess a fun EPI would then be: if only one Rodney is alive, he can double trouble even if there's a double-Rodney corpse waiting to resurrect, so you can get 3 or more Rodneys :P 03:21 LarienTelrunya: 1:44:03 03:22 Luxidream: wow that's fast! 03:22 I wasn't timing myself so I'm pretty happy with that 03:22 had some bad luck here and there though 03:23 I almost died to rodney on water plane 03:24 the mysterious force must definitely be the worst enemy in the game for speedrunners though, since it means the RNG can cause you to fail through no mistake of your own 03:24 the end game is a lot less boring when you're living on the edge 03:24 the mysterious force is really cancer. you have to save a wish for opposite alignment or just pray to whatever god IRL 03:25 I wish I could just get the altar right. for the last few games I always find the neutral altar first 03:25 oh you actually make yourself temporarily chaotic for the ascension run? 03:25 yeah, it's the only way it's actually bearable. 03:26 personally I find Jubilex's level to be by far the most annoying to get hit with the force, although Asmodeus's is a close second 03:26 why jubilex? 03:27 you can just hold down a button and make it to the other side in about two seconds 03:27 well I guess it's me being ultra paranoid about water, I always fully expect a nymph or foocubus to appear out of nowhere and take off my levitation source 03:27 that's fair 03:28 orcustown is pretty bad though 03:28 I lost a run to shades recently I think 03:28 not terribly fast so not a huge loss 03:28 oh I guess in a speedrun you don't have enough time to terraform the maze on Orcus's level? 03:28 I don't even kill orcus until the ascension run 03:29 sometimes 03:29 oh that's what the magic mapping scrolls are for, so you can find the Vlad stair without having to explore Orcus? the stair can sometimes appear there, right? 03:30 yeah. this time orcus was too deep though 03:30 to have vlad 03:31 had to wish for them this game 03:31 really annoying 03:31 I'd rather not have to do that 03:32 one of my junethack games I remember writing something like 20 magic mapping via markers, and ended up not actually needing that many :D 03:33 !tell stenno improved to 1:44 fight me 03:33 Will do, Luxidream! 03:34 doesn't gehennom have 20 levels though 03:35 not sure, might have been a variant where it's a little shorter 03:35 variants that make gehennom shorter? 03:35 the anti-evil variant? 03:35 -!- darkmagic has joined #hardfought 03:35 or maybe I explored some of the lairs manually to "save those precious scrolls" 03:35 the variant of holiness? 03:35 -!- darkmagic has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 03:36 haha, yeah if it were me, vanilla Gehennom could be made much shorter by dividing the # of random maze levels by half and nothing important would be lost but it would become much more bearable 03:37 20-24 total levels, says Nethackwiki; does that include the valley, sanctum etc.? 03:38 Gehennom, levels 27-48 03:38 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 03:38 yeah it includes valley and sanctum 03:38 apparently with best real-life luck you'd have 26-45 for the shortest possible run 03:38 and if the RNG hates you, 30-53 03:39 wonder what the odds are on not getting hit by the force once 03:39 so force doesn't happen from sanctum > vs level 03:39 25% chance to trigger whenever you try to go up 03:40 (0.75)^18 03:40 so 0.5% chance 03:40 or 1 in 200 runs 03:40 huh, not as rare as I expected 03:40 that is assuming 26-45 of course 03:41 YANI: the game logs how many times the mysterious force triggers. That would allow us to see in an ascension whether the player was lucky to have the force not trigger at all :D 03:43 epi: fake amulets of yendor trigger the mysterious force too 03:44 and trigger all the other yendorian drawbacks 03:44 ultra epi: if you try to use the upstair on dlvl1 with a fake amulet but not the real one, the entire dungeon resets, so you have to explore everything again to reach the high priest and get the real amulet. Bonus EPI: and the quest, Vlad and Rodney also reset and you need to get the invocation tools and do the ritual again, too, because the game isn't long enough already. :P 03:45 would the one on the rogue level also trigger these effects 03:45 (but actually, that kind of happens already... except you also get reset to XL1 and your starting equipment :P) 03:46 in sporkhack you can't bag fake amulets to see which one is real 03:46 can't tell if that's a bug or not 03:46 EPI: every time you pick up a fake amulet of yendor, your carry weight increases by the weight of a loadstone, permanently, with no way to unburden yourself. 03:46 Luxidream: slex does that too (can't bag fake amulets), and additionally prevents them from being named, or dropped, and fake amulets weigh as much as a loadstone :P 03:47 but you can drop the real one? 03:48 nope, it can only leave your inventory if a monster or trap steals it 03:49 so then you really don't it stolen 03:49 I guess only the wizard carries fake amulets 03:49 unless the rogue level one also has this property :P 03:50 yeah all the fakes share that property, but for some reason the fake on the rogue level seems to spawn already identified in slex so it displays "cheap plastic imitation" by default 03:51 epi: amulet of yonder. If you carry it when you go up from dlevel 1, you escape the dungeon and the game ends 03:51 it spawns identified in vanilla too 03:53 yasi: amulet of yender that helps you throw stuff but doesn't actually take you to the endgame planes 03:53 Luxidream: oh, TIL 03:54 YASI: amulet of vendor: allows you to sell stuff to other intelligent monsters 03:54 I was thinking it should try to sell you things every few turns 03:54 YASI: amulet of tender, makes monster meat more delicious to eat :D 03:55 like ads for hot succubi. or "you are the 999th visitor to the dungeons of doom! claim your free wand of wishing!" 03:56 when I was playing as a zruty I noticed that meat tasted delicious 03:57 kind of wish that had an ingame effect but it's a nice touch 03:57 tripe rations still taste like shit though 03:59 really? even though they're supposedly food for carnivores? 03:59 also, completely unrelated: 🦋 <--- does that display as an emoji? 03:59 I'm not on discord 03:59 only shows a box with a question mark on my end 03:59 it looks like a box to me 04:00 actually rld is dead rn 04:01 anyway I have to go to bed. I did this run because I couldn't sleep lol 04:02 good night 04:02 see you, and congrats! :) 04:02 -!- Luxidream has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:20 -!- depleted25 has joined #hardfought 04:20 -!- depleted25 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:26 -!- Mikaela7 has joined #hardfought 04:29 -!- astag has joined #hardfought 04:30 -!- Mikaela7 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:42 -!- deedra0 has joined #hardfought 04:45 -!- erry23 has joined #hardfought 04:46 -!- deedra0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48 -!- erry23 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50 -!- buriedalive22 has joined #hardfought 04:51 -!- buriedalive22 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58 -!- sacredchao has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:46 -!- Goldman6012 has joined #hardfought 05:46 -!- Goldman6012 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 06:03 -!- Guest74795 has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- Guest74795 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 06:20 -!- astag has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 06:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:53 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 7276 points, T:2632, killed by a leocrotta 06:56 -!- attie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 07:02 . 07:02 stenno: Message from Luxidream at 2018-08-17 03:33 EDT: improved to 1:44 fight me 07:02 oh man 07:17 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 07:18 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 07:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:55 -!- Henry_Jia3 has joined #hardfought 07:55 -!- Henry_Jia3 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:27 -!- pierte has joined #hardfought 08:27 -!- pierte has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3197 08:34 -!- MyIgel has joined #hardfought 08:34 -!- MyIgel has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:3906 08:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4130 08:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6290 08:54 -!- sacredchao has joined #hardfought 08:59 -!- sacredchao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:00 !tell LarienTelrunya Can you look at the recent edit to the wiki speed boots page regarding SLEX and tell whether that is describing anything besides what they do in vanilla? And if so, is it worth mentioning at all on the main page / can it be cleaned up? 09:00 Will do, aosdict! 09:03 !tell LarienTelrunya That author appears to now be adding pages such as that one, which are mainly about vanilla and have only a small slex section, to the slex category. The category appears to me to be for slex pages that are very unlike vanilla; your thoughts? 09:03 Will do, aosdict! 09:09 -!- heinrich59918 has joined #hardfought 09:10 -!- heinrich59918 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 09:21 -!- hggdh22 has joined #hardfought 09:21 -!- hggdh22 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 28779 points, T:10962, killed by a death ray 09:34 -!- astag has joined #hardfought 09:46 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 09:47 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 09:57 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 09:58 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 10:06 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 10:18 -!- Muad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 10:41 -!- this has joined #hardfought 10:41 -!- this has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 10:52 -!- EvanR22 has joined #hardfought 10:52 -!- EvanR22 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:04 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:07 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 11:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv astag attie bouquet] by K2 11:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv eady introsp3ctive MiseryMyra] by K2 11:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv Muad NeroOneTrueKing Tarmunora] by K2 11:37 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 11:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 11:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:40 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 11:42 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 11:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 11:49 hey guys! you might remember me from yesterday trying to compile nethack hdf on windows, i am almost done i thing, but im wondering if anybody can tell me how to include curses as a dependency in vs2017 11:49 think* 11:51 Hi astag. I was talking to nhmall about this a couple of months back. He hat it almost working on windows with PDcurses. 11:51 but for some reason the perm_invent display did not work. Not sure if he ever got any further with it. 11:52 that's fine with me, personally i play with it off 11:52 that was the only problem? 11:53 I believe that was his only sticking point. 11:53 I think he was just working on it locally though, I don't believe his changes got merged anywhere public yet. 11:54 oh, he made changes to the code? 11:54 i was trying to figure it out, and everything right now other than curses is working fine i think 11:54 atleast the game runs normally 11:54 with tty graphics 11:55 Yeah I think he had to make some changes to get curses to build on Windows 11:55 ah 11:55 yeah i have no idea how to do anything 11:56 You might as well use a precompiled binary 11:56 i can't find one 11:56 http://nethack.org/ 11:56 doesn't have curses 11:56 http://nethack.org/download/3.6.2/nethack-362-BETA01-win-x86.zip 11:56 PavelB: Read the scrollback before being Captain Obvious. 11:56 Ah, that's what you mean 11:57 yeah i'm kinda desperate to get the curses interface, since after i tried it playing without just isn't the same 11:57 I need to touch base with nhmall again at some point and get that all merged properly. Probably best you wait until that's done. 11:57 If you have WSL you can build it there, you might have more luck with that. 11:58 yeah, thanks tangles, i'll just lpay on hardfought till then 11:58 pardon my ignorance, pavelb, but what's WSL? 11:59 Windows Subsystem on Linux 11:59 You can run Linux apps on Windows with it 11:59 like cygwin? 11:59 More like wine, but backwards 11:59 ah nice 11:59 okay i'll look into that 11:59 If you have Windows 10 you can get it from the windows app store 12:00 There's an Ubuntu, Debian, and OpenSUSE variant but the OpenSUSE one is broken so don't use it 12:02 awesome, so windows app store is the best option? i don't really like using it but how's installing it outside of the appstore? if it's a hassle i'll just download it there 12:02 okay reading that back that was hard to understand lol 12:03 astag: I just poked nhmall on #nethack-dev about merging his changes, so we'll see what he comes back with. 12:03 thanks Tangles! i really love the nethack community, everybody is so helpful even to a dolt like me haha 12:04 astag: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10 12:04 you're doing great work with hdf 12:05 PavelB: thanks! ill install this now, and try it out! so talk to you guys later 12:06 -!- astag has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09 -!- astag has joined #hardfought 12:11 PavelB: so what do you recommend, Debian or Ubuntu, for this purpose? 12:11 WSL uses ubuntu i think 12:11 you can choos 12:11 e 12:12 ah 12:12 I personally prefer Ubuntu because its packages aren't quite as out of date 12:12 okay then im going with that 12:12 But just for Nethack it shouldn't matter 12:14 After it's configured you'll want to run `sudo apt install ncurses-dev gcc byacc flex` which is I think all of NetHack's dependencies 12:16 nice, seems easier than trying to get it to work on windows (which i'm not knowledgable enough to do without extensive help) 12:16 astag: What's your objective here? 12:16 just to play nethack 3.6 with the curses interface 12:16 offline 12:16 I ask because if you have any access to a real computer I'd just build it there and ssh into it. 12:17 "real computer" 12:17 i don't have a linux machine 12:18 astag: I mean, eg, a Pi will do for this purpose, but I appreciate this may not be useful to you. It's just _so_ much easier to do this kind of thing, it's often the best option. 12:18 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19 I mean, if ssh is an option then you can just play on hdf 12:19 PavelB: Except that astag may have some reason such as latency or modifications to wish to play offline. 12:20 I suppose 12:20 i do play on hdf, but the problem is that sometimes my internet decides to not be nice, and playing remotely can then create some serious input lag to the point where i don't want to play nethack 12:20 I wouldn't say sshing into a linux machine is necessarily easier than WSL though 12:21 PavelB: E: unable to locate package byacc 12:22 Try `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` first? 12:22 Been forever since I've used a distro with apt on it 12:23 that worked :) 12:24 That's probably my least favorite thing about apt, needing to apt update before every operation 12:24 Oh, you'll also want to `sudo apt install git` so you can actually clone the nethack source 12:25 Which would then be `git clone https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack.git` 12:25 you don't need to update before every operation. only when your index is outdated 12:25 deki: This is true but how do you discover if it is outdated? 12:26 when you can't install the software/version you want 12:26 if you are running stable there is no need to do it other than upgrading the system (for security updates etc) 12:27 Right, forgot Ubuntu also releases updates at a stupidly slow pace 12:27 okay, so i just do git clone and the link to the hardfought nethack then right? 12:27 ah, you are running ubuntu, i assumed debian ;) 12:28 Yeah 12:29 "Debian, you peasants" 12:29 I'm pretty sure Debian is still sitting on Python 3.4 12:30 Which in my mind is completely unacceptable 12:30 unstable is on 3.6 12:30 even stable already has 3.5 12:30 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:30 Nice 12:31 okay so it said fatal: repository 'https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/tree/hardfought' not found 12:31 ist this because i specified the tree? 12:31 You want to use https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36.git as the url 12:31 try this url: https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36.git 12:31 ah thanks 12:31 now it's doing the thing 12:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33 okay so it's done now, how do i proceed 12:33 cd into the directory and run `sys/unix/setup.sh sys/unix/hints/linux && make && make install` 12:33 And then you hope there aren't errors 12:35 where do i cd into? it didn't tell me where it actually cloned my files to 12:35 Run `ls` 12:35 look in the hints/linux file for the paths 12:36 It's probably just called nethack, in which case `cd nethack` 12:36 `git clone` by default just clones into whatever directory you're currently in 12:36 oh, lol i actually tried cd nethack36 without capitalization, but it was with 12:36 i would guess it's called NetHack36 (like the repository name) 12:36 Oh yeah, Linux has case-sensitive files 12:37 I've gotten to used to zsh's case insensitive tab completion 12:37 okay so it told me i have no permissions, because i forgot sudo before or something else? 12:38 What's the exact error? 12:38 did you clone with sudo? 12:38 yes i did 12:38 that wasn't necessary, now the directory is owned by root 12:38 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38 theres a lot of errors and for some reason i cant copy so ill just send a screen 12:38 https://i.imgur.com/oGSvnXA.png 12:38 In that case, run `sudo chown -R $(whoami) NetHack36` 12:38 sudo chown -R yourusername:yourgroup NetHack36 12:39 my group is the machine name? 12:39 :yourgroup should be optional 12:39 okay 12:39 no, it's either the same as your username, or "users", but i'm not sure what ubuntu uses 12:41 From `man chown`, `chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE...` 12:41 So it is optional 12:41 the program 'make' can be foind in the following packages 12:41 found* 12:41 yes, optional, but then the files are still owned by the group "root" 12:41 sudo apt install make 12:41 oh shit it's doing the thing now! 12:42 It's building? 12:42 yeah 12:42 Yay 12:42 It'll take a while the first time 12:42 cross your fingers guys 12:42 run "make -j numberofcores" instead to speed it up ;) 12:43 okay, so it seems to be done 12:43 that was quick 12:43 Did it succeed? 12:43 it says you may also want to reinstall the man pages via the doc makefiles 12:43 makefile* 12:43 That's only if you want to install the help documents 12:44 well it doesnt say error atleast 12:44 how to i run to check 12:44 I think it gets installed to `~/nh`, so cd into there 12:44 okay done 12:44 Then run `./nethack` 12:45 it's not thre 12:45 i did ls and it only says install 12:45 astag: Quote the error verbatim 12:46 -bash: ./nethack: No such file or directory 12:46 Oh right, it should be `./install/games/nethack` 12:46 My bad 12:47 https://i.imgur.com/F5s8DGN.png 12:47 error 12:47 apt install gdb 12:47 I'm not sure why nethack needs gdb though 12:48 probably a wrapper script starting it in gdb? 12:48 argh 12:48 astag: I mean, in general, one of the compelling advantages of the command line is that you can easily say "I did 'ls --set-me-on-fire' and it said 'ls: me is not inflammable'" 12:48 unable to locate gbd 12:48 gdb not gbd 12:48 lol thanks 12:49 So your default should always be to quote a short error message verbatim, along with the invocation that produced it. 12:49 Which stands for GNU Debugger 12:49 ... although it does not, alas, debug GNU 12:49 It tries 12:50 so, what im wondering is did it install the correct tree 12:50 <[Demo]> goodnight sweet prince 12:50 because the hardfought tree isnt the 'default' 12:50 the game runs now atleast 12:50 -!- [Demo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50 and that's great 12:50 In that case, go back to where you cloned nethack and run `git status` 12:50 It should tell you what branch you're on 12:51 it's on vanilla 3.6.0 12:52 (not hardfought) 12:52 `git checkout hardfought` 12:52 it switched 12:52 Then run `sys/unix/setup.sh sys/unix/hints/linux && make && make install` again 12:52 okay 12:53 Running setup.sh again is probably unnecessary but just in case 12:53 astag: Quote what it said, don't say "it switched". Even quoting what you think is the most significant line is better. 12:53 okay 12:53 it's just that i can't copy paste it so it takes a lot longer to write them word for word 12:54 You should be able to copy with either right click or ctrl+shift+c 12:54 I forget which one in wsl 12:54 Ah. Then I sympathise and perhaps besides step 0, fix copy and pasting, which I think PavelB is addressing, you might be excused not quoting by default. 12:55 ... can one just run an xterm in WSL? 12:55 You have to install X for Windows first 12:55 Which is a collosal PITA 12:55 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 12:55 ok i got an error ill just screenshot it 12:55 astag: Apparantly it's off by default, see https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/04/13/copy-and-paste-arrives-for-linuxwsl-consoles/ 12:56 https://i.imgur.com/zlgtTBk.png 12:56 That's strange, it shouldn't be installing anything to /usr... 12:57 Although... try `sudo make install` 12:57 okay maybe i forgot to cd to default 12:57 oh okay forget it 12:57 -!- ollien13 has joined #hardfought 12:57 -!- ollien13 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:58 okay seems to have worked 12:58 same as last time when no errors occured 12:58 You should be able to just run `nethack` 12:59 https://i.imgur.com/wQNRhy4.png 12:59 Yay! 12:59 nay! 12:59 cannot open file 12:59 Well, semi-victory 12:59 lol 12:59 i guess 12:59 ah yes... the 'perm' issue. 12:59 :D 12:59 I get that all the time on a new build, fix it, then forget how I fixed it. 13:00 the default git directory worked but not the hardfought branch 13:00 `chown -R $(whoami) /usr/games` is *usually* a bad idea on a real system, but if you're using WSL for only nethack it's probably fine and will fix your permission errors 13:00 Sorry, `sudo chown -R $(whoami) /usr/games` 13:00 You might actually need to create that perm file (as an empty file) 13:00 or "sudo nethack" :> 13:01 same problem still 13:01 Oh yeah, then `sudo touch /usr/games/lib/nethackdir/var/perm` 13:01 Which'll create the files 13:01 *file 13:02 Although if you already ran the `chown` command you won't need sudo 13:02 Are you sure it wants to be touched with rootly powers? 13:02 it should get created as part of make install, but that might be broken. 13:02 touch: cannot touch '/usr/games/lib/nethackdir/var/perm': No such file or directory 13:03 That's super dumb, but `echo > /usr/games/lib/nethackdir/var/perm` will work too 13:03 `touch` is normally used for creating empty files 13:03 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 13:04 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:04 PavelB: It'll be complaining about a missing parent directory. 13:04 :~$ echo > /usr/games/lib/nethackdir/var/perm 13:04 -bash: /usr/games/lib/nethackdir/var/perm: No such file or directory 13:04 Oh yeah, then you'd need `mkdir -p /usr/games/lib/nethackdir/var` 13:04 And *then* touch 13:04 though why the directory is missing is a concern 13:05 it's probably a misconfiguration in the makefile 13:05 okay so the touch didnt reply with an error this time, but the game still returns the same error 13:06 note that the hardfought branch contains config specific to building in the chroot environment that the hardfought servers use so you might need to fix some of that. 13:06 oh 13:06 that's the install to chroot.sh right? 13:06 Tangles actually wrote this configuration so he'll probably be able to be more helpful than me 13:07 * Tangles does not remember very well :P 13:07 the fact that you guys are even doing this in the first place is really nice of you 13:07 astag: That's part of it. 13:08 I'm about 13000km away from my dev machine right now but I can have a look. 13:08 * PavelB has only ever tried building xNetHack, which already has curses in place but not the weird chroot configuration. 13:08 thanks! you guys have no idea how grateful i am that you are helping me with this! it's unprecedented, really 13:09 Tangles: And exasperatingly you can't even signal to it by the shortest route. 13:10 astag: It's all good. Anything we fix to make it work for you, will make it easier for the next person. 13:11 okay guys, i'm going afk for a few minutes to grab a bite real fast, i'll be back really soon 13:13 [backscroll] I feel like Python and NetHack are in a version number race. 13:13 PavelB: [backscroll] nethack takes a while to do a full build? clearly you need to join the -O0 club 13:14 im back 13:14 Probably lol 13:14 also did anyone tell astag to edit the hints/linux file 13:14 * PavelB will continue building with `-OFast -march=native` 13:14 so that it won't necessarily have to go to /usr/games 13:14 no they didnt 13:14