00:00 there's some super old commercial game which references it in the manual... I think. 00:00 I don't get the wizard of tendor or ender 00:01 and I wish the wizard of bender was included 00:01 ender is a reference to ender's game 00:02 ok, and I think I get what tender means 00:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:08 dang, can't find that reference. 00:09 -!- stenno is now known as Guest18426 00:13 -!- Guest18426 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:14 what reference? 00:17 aosdict wants to know the etymology of "Yendor" (other than Rodney spelled backwards). 00:18 well the yendor page on the wiki is fairly detailed 00:18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AAmulet_of_Yendor#Origin_of_Name 00:18 that one? 00:20 why does wikipedia have a talk page for the Amulet of Yendor but not a real page for it 00:20 and no I meant https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Yendor 00:24 I figured MToy was a pretty good resource for the origin of the name. 00:26 does 1978 predate the rogue Yendor? http://a.co/aTaCcFQ 00:27 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 00:28 rogue was released in 1980, so I guess so. 00:28 that's the earliest reference I could find. 00:28 I'll collect my free ice cream tomorrow, kthx 00:28 I stuck it up on the nethackwiki Talk:Yendor page 00:29 * aosdict gives bouquet a popsicle dipped in raspberry mousse 00:32 !booze 00:32 * Beholder delivers bug_sniper a fifth of booze, brewed by TheresaMayBot at 65 Kelvin. 00:32 that's really cold, I think liquid nitrogen is that cold 00:33 <@rikersan> aosdict: I've thought about trying to add callandor to dnh but it would come when somebody (chris) finally nerfs the elf shared crowning gifts 00:33 <@rikersan> cuz it's basically the same as the cha one 00:34 <@rikersan> iirc I've thought about having it halve spell mana cost as well (since it's less tiring to draw through an (sa') angreal than just by yourself) 00:34 <@rikersan> and since dnh adds crystal swords (2d12 instead of 1d12) 00:34 <@rikersan> !tell aosdict if you're not here atm just check todays transcript aight kk ty 00:34 Will do, @rikersan! 00:34 well ideally you don't want to actually fight with it 00:34 aosdict: Message from @rikersan at 2018-08-13 00:34 EDT: if you're not here atm just check todays transcript aight kk ty 00:35 <@rikersan> hm true 00:35 (I know that happens in the book but still) 00:35 <@rikersan> idk 00:35 any other wheel of time themed artifacts that would be interesting and doable? horn of valere? 00:35 <@rikersan> horn of valere: use the binder spirit #power 00:35 <@rikersan> either summon dead unique(s) or summon high level stuff 00:36 <@rikersan> check cosmos 00:36 <@rikersan> uhhh 00:36 ashandarei 00:36 <@rikersan> oooh yes 00:36 <@rikersan> I can't think of any other important uniques 00:37 mahalleneir (sp?) 00:37 <@rikersan> possibly laman's sword, being powerforged it does extra damage to stuff 00:37 though that is just WOT mjollnir 00:37 <@rikersan> oh ofc i'm dumb 00:37 <@rikersan> i don't believe lan had a particular one 00:37 <@rikersan> and you could theoretically put in the 2 figurines that map to the big ass thigns but that's not really feasible 00:37 bowl of the winds wouldn't work all that well in a dungeon probably 00:38 <@rikersan> no 00:38 <@rikersan> sakarnen 00:38 <@rikersan> vora's thingy 00:38 <@rikersan> wells (power story things) 00:39 <@rikersan> I gtg sleep now I've had very little in teh past week, if I think of anything cool I'll tell you 00:39 hm, if you _did_ implement callandor, would it be fair to confer its benefits only to male characters? 00:39 or too breaking of nethack gender norms 00:39 <@rikersan> no, just make sure you make an alternate female artifact 00:39 <@rikersan> imo 00:40 <@rikersan> can't really think of one tbh tho 00:40 oh, the medallion too 00:40 immunity to all direct magic would probably be broken :) 00:42 <@rikersan> idea: male aes sedai role (cleanse source? idk smth like that) 00:42 <@rikersan> like valkyrie in that it's gender locked 00:42 <@rikersan> so you can make callandor work for both but only given to males 01:04 -!- kozet__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04 -!- kozet__ has joined #hardfought 01:06 @rikersan Cn you say that first sentence again, but in English? 01:10 which first sentence 01:12 > idea: male aes sedai role (cleanse source? idk smth like that) 01:13 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 01:17 for full context you should read the wheel of time. It'll be fine, it's only 14 massive books. 01:19 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:19 I have them, never got around to reading them though 01:21 14 massive books and a medium length prequel 01:21 I got around 10 pages into book one 01:22 And then I went on vacation and forget it at home 01:22 While on vacation, I was bored and bought myself like several years worth of kindle books 01:28 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:30 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 02:02 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:08 [hdf-us] [dyn] Nipple Mario (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 446924 points, T:43779, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-08-13%2002_08_30%2C%20Nipple%20Mario-Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 02:09 > Nipple Mario 02:09 Ok but why tho 02:09 Congrats @Luxidream 02:09 !streak Luxidream 02:09 PavelB: [hdf-us] Luxidream Max[nh343]: 1 (2017-06-25 - 2017-06-28). 02:10 <@luxidream> nh4 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[hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Malcanthet, on T:42163 11:15 K2: uhh, what are the insulting messages in slex? 11:15 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-08-12 20:22 EDT: thanks. I will update to slex 2.3.0 here in the next day or two 11:15 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-08-12 20:46 EDT: the insults directed at my friends by name in your variant that appear to players in-game - get rid of them, otherwise I'm no longer hosting slex on Hardfought 11:15 xNetHack updated (all servers) 11:19 LarienTelrunya: you have to ask? seriously? 11:19 well I don't know what you do or don't consider offensive... what if I add a #define that removes every message that could potentially be considered offensive? 11:20 ffs 11:20 i'm not holding your hand on this. you wrote them, how can you not know? 11:21 <@rikersan> !tell PavelB tl;dr; book series with male and female magic dudes (different sides to magic based on gender). wizards = "aes sedai", a major plot point is that the source of magic (for male dudes only) got contaminated, causing all male wizards to slowly go insane 11:21 Will do, @rikersan! 11:21 <@rikersan> might be interesting to work into nethack idk 11:22 I'm here 11:22 PavelB: Message from @rikersan at 2018-08-13 11:21 EDT: tl;dr; book series with male and female magic dudes (different sides to magic based on gender). wizards = "aes sedai", a major plot point is that the source of magic (for male dudes only) got contaminated, causing all male wizards to slowly go insane 11:22 Jeez 11:22 <@rikersan> sorry I'm just paranoid of that 11:22 K2: yeah I guess... anyway the offer stands, if I add a #NOOFFENSIVESTRINGS define that disables every potentially offensive message/scroll label/etc. from the game, would you then put 2.30 on hdf? it'll take a while for me to filter out all those messages but I'm willing to do it 11:23 Yeah it's fine 11:23 <@rikersan> kk ty 11:26 <@luxidream> aren't all male wizards already insane 11:27 I'm pretty sure anyone willing to go into the dungeons of doom is not ok mentally 11:29 <@luxidream> also true IRL though 11:31 LarienTelrunya nope 11:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:35 K2: so how can I do it then? if I make a slex branch that erases the insulting shit completely from the source files, would you then host that, or is there no hope at all for me anymore? 11:36 what was my original message? 11:36 you said I should get rid of the messages, so that's what I would do? 11:37 what do you think? 11:39 directed at community members? 11:40 eh? 11:40 what is poofy coffee? 11:40 the "poofy coffee" thing is an original quote by Izchak 11:40 there's such a thing as gay coffee? 11:40 <@rikersan> poofy is apparently offensive gay slang 11:41 not sure, apparently poofy means gay in australia 11:41 <@rikersan> er rather, offensive slang for 'gay' 11:41 i see 11:41 <@rikersan> no, london 11:41 <@rikersan> I think 11:41 both 11:42 except we're discussing slex at the moment 11:42 not vanilla 11:42 and I do admit that some of my messages probably go too far; if I insulted anyone, I apologize and am willing to remove the messages 11:42 <@rikersan> larien: no wonder you don't find 'poofy' offensive if it had to explained to you 11:43 rikersan: but the word appears in vanilla 11:43 i dont believe you. if you were truly sorry, no one would have to tell you to not insult by name people in the community in your game 11:43 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:43 you're only sorry because i'm calling you out on it 11:43 <@rikersan> larien: oh I know and I think it should probably be removed 11:43 <@rikersan> I'd be in favor of just removing that line, not trying to edit it (since I get the "don't mess with izchak's lines" thing) 11:49 [Demo]1: LarienTelrunya can do whatever she wants with her game. i'm just setting the conditions for it to continue to be hosted here 11:54 k2: i think you need to +v some people, since i seem to be seeing only your side of a convesration 11:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv Adeon Anerag attie] by K2 11:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv [Demo]1 beetcoin bug_sniper] by K2 11:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv deadnoob dograt Dracunos_] by K2 11:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv eady introsp3ctive jilles] by K2 11:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv Joonaa kozet__ LarienTelrunya] by K2 11:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv loli lorimer Lymia] by K2 11:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv MiseryMyra Muad NeroOneTrueKing] by K2 11:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv Pinkbeast Tarmunora_ timvisher] by K2 11:55 <[Demo]1> Probably unvoiced me cause I'm being a dick sorry 11:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v winny] by K2 11:55 no one unvoiced anyone 11:55 Well you're not authed 11:55 And your nick changed 11:56 [Demo]1: well I didn't see what you wrote, but I do admit that lines like "Let's make it official, aosdict and jonadab are contemplating doing petty downvote brigades" are below the belt and I will remove them 11:57 I wonder if lines like "Omg xnethack is teh uber wierdo with its silly recoloring. It makes magic traps bright green, which is the color that every single player associates with polymorph traps. Clearly aosdict is trying to make his variant as confusing as it can be, but for what reason?" are also too insulting? 11:57 <[Demo]1> remove all referenced to be safe 11:57 <@rikersan> I mean you can go 2 ways with this 11:58 <@rikersan> either nuke all insults to other people in the nehtack community and keep it on hdf 11:58 <@rikersan> which would be fine 11:58 <@rikersan> or just settle for letting it stay on slashem.me which would also be fine 11:59 well, I would like to stay on good terms with K2 (obviously), so I guess I should completely remove all occurrences of other people's names 11:59 <[Demo]1> replace their names and variants with rodney and rodneys tower 11:59 <@rikersan> please don't 11:59 <[Demo]1> and it'll lead to some funny nethack themed messages 11:59 would it still be insulting if it just mocked the variants without mentioning their authors? I guess the answer is yes, so I'd have to also change the wording to be milder 12:00 <[Demo]1> Yeah replace variant names with rodneys tower 12:00 * hothraxxa replaces [demo]1 with rodney's tower 12:00 <@rikersan> or just remove the directed insults and keep the rest of the jokes 12:01 -!- Rodneys_Tower has joined #hardfought 12:01 <[Demo]1> sometimes it's hard to tell the difference because you'd have to know how they'd interpret it and you don't 12:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Rodneys_Tower] by K2 12:01 well I'm reluctant to outright remove lines, but I do admit that I'm an asshole for mentioning people personally 12:01 <[Demo]1> it's probably safest to just replace all the names of people and variants with nethack related things 12:01 I mean, I kinda knew that it would backfire eventually 12:01 as i already said, there were no insults of me. i find that insulting 12:02 hello 12:02 Hello Rodneys_Tower, Welcome to #hardfought 12:02 sayyy i know you 12:02 <@rikersan> i mean tbh I wouldn't even mind if slex was just removed from hdf in general 12:02 <@rikersan> my main reason isn't cuz i don't like slex tho 12:02 <[Demo]1> u could just make all the insults towards me cause I don't care 12:02 Rodneys_Tower is Luxidream 12:02 <@rikersan> it's cuz my brother plays some nethack as well and I'd love to let him play on hdf, but I really don't want him finding slex 12:02 <@rikersan> cuz he's like 11 12:03 wow 12:03 I got found out fast 12:03 > ~Luxidream@2600:1700:2f61:b850:2125:9be8:f7:e7a6 12:03 <@rikersan> you do know it says your address when you join 12:03 oops 12:03 <@rikersan> nice try my dude 12:03 sorry I am new to IRC 12:03 -!- Rodneys_Tower has quit [Client Quit] 12:04 <@rikersan> np 12:04 what they say is almost true. there are ways to hide your hostmask 12:04 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 12:04 <@Rikersan's Tower> how? 12:05 not sure about freenode, but rizon (where i run some channels) has cloaking for registered users 12:05 <[Demo]1> as somebody that goes by demogorgon how can I tell if ingame messages that insult demogorgon are directed towards me or not? 12:05 K2: okay I will completely remove all mentions of you, aosdict, jonadab, FIQ, ais523 and did I forget someone? from slex and also reword the messages where I insulted their variants, would that make slex compliant with your terms? or did I still miss something? 12:05 demogorgon is an asshole 12:05 -!- kg19 has joined #hardfought 12:05 just sayin 12:05 <@Rikersan's Tower> no just fucking remove all the insults amy 12:05 <@Rikersan's Tower> they're not even that funny 12:06 -!- kg19 was kicked from #hardfought by Tangles [too slow sigyn] 12:07 <[Demo]1> if there are any of me please keep because I'm just happy to have my name dropped 12:08 this is so confusing... I mean, would something as mild as "THE OFFICIAL PARTNER OF FIQHACK IS THE GUILD OF OPTOMETRISTS" be considered an insult? and if I changed it to "THE OFFICIAL PARTNER OF RODNEYS TOWER IS THE GUILD OF OPTOMETRISTS" would it still be an insult? 12:09 <[Demo]1> towards rodneys tower 12:09 <[Demo]1> an ingame level 12:09 What's an optometrist? 12:09 <[Demo]1> something you are allowed to insult 12:10 <@Rikersan's Tower> eye doctor 12:10 Does FiqHack have flashing colors or something 12:10 <@Rikersan's Tower> no amy just puts gibberish in her stuff 12:11 fundemental issue i'm seeing LarienTelrunya is that you cant tell the difference between what and what isnt an insult 12:12 amy: are you aware that fiq is visually impaired? 12:12 K2: actually, I think what is or isn't an insult depends on who you ask, for example when I asked Crawldragon what he thinks of the word "poofy" he said "definitely not an insult", but I'm certain there are people who will say "yes it's a very evil insult" 12:13 <[Demo]1> change all insults to be about me so I can be in the game more 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:21787 12:19 K2: thing is, if I go ahead and make a "defused" version of slex where everything that I think could be considered an insult is removed, there might still be something in there that I considered harmless but which someone else happens to consider a grave insult 12:20 how would you know that whatever version I produce would meet your criteria? I don't want you to have to actually go through all the messages because that would be way too much work, but I guess I'm also not considered trustworthy 12:21 no, this wont get complicated at all... 12:22 LarienTelrunya: figure it out. its really truly not that difficult 12:22 I suggest removing any reference to any real living person who plays NetHack would probably answer most of K2's objections. 12:22 Pinkbeast: that's what I was suggesting, and also removing references to other variants for good measure 12:24 LarienTelrunya: I got the impression that "with good measure" was turning into something of ill-defined scope, whereas what I propose is a fairly clear criterion. 12:25 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:25 Pinkbeast: ? my thinking was that mentioning others by name is assholey but mentioning their variants and painting them in a negative light is assholey too, because they put lots of work into creating those variants 12:26 *shurg* I've made a suggestion and I don't see that there's much else I can usefully do, unless perhaps if K2 comments to the effect that that would or would not be a useful thing. 12:28 well I guess I'll do a huge set of changes later and then see what happens 12:29 <[Demo]1> there are tasteful ways to reference variants 12:29 <[Demo]1> "Grunthack isn't hard, you're just bad at it." 12:30 I don't think any current variant devs care if you bash the _variants_ in slex messages. 12:30 (afaik, no current variant devs care about the insults either. but that's the line in the sand.) 12:30 aosdict: the variant devs might not, but I have to fulfill K2's criteria 12:31 -!- Maple__20 has joined #hardfought 12:31 -!- Maple__20 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:31 K2: are you ok with variant bashing 12:32 and I mean, both slex and I do have a pretty bad reputation but I don't want to come across as a complete asshole who insults others willy-nilly (sadly I do have a habit of getting into that kind of trouble, and I do fully understand that me saying sorry when being confronted about it seems shady) 12:33 * K2 sighs 12:33 so there's no misunderstanding: 12:34 LarienTelrunya: if you want to complain about and make digs at whomever about whatever, great. do it here in this channel and to their face, those ppl can at least defend themselves and counter, whatever 12:34 but when you code it into your game thats on a public server that players will see, the ppl you're insulting cant defend themselves. and you're giving the impression that those ppl and or their variants suck 12:35 new players playing slex could see those and think 'oh well aosdict must be an asshole and xnethack sucks because I see it here in slex' 12:35 that irks the shit out of me 12:36 and why i have to explain that also irks me 12:36 it should be fucking plain as day 12:36 <[Demo]1> Yeah makes sense 12:37 <--- done explaining 12:37 yes, sorry, I do understand, I shall remove all of that. But having messages like "Did you know that there's a new variant called xnethack that does , you should give it a try! *bundlebundlebundle*" would be okay? I mean, players could see that and think "huh what the hell" 12:38 ... 12:38 although of course the intention there would be that players see it and think "hmm a new variant? cool! I'll try that" 12:38 seriously... you dont know if thats insulting or not? 12:38 (hint: its not) 12:38 <@Rikersan's Tower> amy you should really stop 12:38 <@Rikersan's Tower> you're really just digging a deeper hole for yourself 12:39 <@Rikersan's Tower> all this conversation is going to do for you is get you banned from #hardfought, possibly this discord, and likely the server 12:39 well okay I'll shut up and just make a commit 12:39 it'll take a while but I'll do it 12:40 <[Demo]1> Amy if u have specific instances u want someone else to look at ask me in esm and I'll give my two cents 12:40 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:43106 12:41 @Rikersan's Tower - no this conversation doesnt even get close to the ban hammer 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23195 12:41 <@Rikersan's Tower> oh really 12:41 LarienTelrunya: My two cents: say whatever the heck you want about xnethack. I would prefer not to see personal insults but didn't really have a problem with them. do whatever you need to do to make K2 happy 12:41 why would it? 12:41 <@Rikersan's Tower> I was expecting you to be much less tolerant than that 12:42 <@Rikersan's Tower> cuz it seems to me like amy is being a dick and intentionally being obnoxious 12:42 ah 12:42 i was getting the impression she really cant tell 12:42 i know ppl like that 12:42 <@Rikersan's Tower> I was getting the impression that she could if she really wanted to but she's really just not trying 12:42 aosdict: well I don't want to drive people away from your variant, I mean it's not my cup of tea but I appreciate the effort you put into making it, so yeah slex should not say shitty things about it IMHO 12:42 <@Rikersan's Tower> idk who's right so 12:43 <@Rikersan's Tower> side note - demo: you should add 'obnox-ob", a demon lord with really annoying attacks to ndnh 12:43 @Rikersan's Tower if i really were that intolerant, I would have just killed slex on hardfought with no explanation and be done with it 12:43 <@Rikersan's Tower> maybe a guarenteed spawn in chaos or smth 12:43 activating kerio mode 12:43 heh 12:43 <@Rikersan's Tower> what'd he do? ban slex? 12:44 <@Rikersan's Tower> he seems like a very interesting person, based on his website names 12:44 @Rikersan's Tower: I'm trying, but this is the internet, you can't look others in the face so it's hard to tell if someone is being serious or not; I really should have culled the insulting messages from slex much earlier 12:44 <[Demo]1> pretend I'm an expert and use my judgement 12:44 * aosdict wonders if slex has a dank ninja role 12:45 aosdict: its not about making me happy. its about doing the right thing 12:46 if you really wanted to make me happy, buy me a pony 12:46 a little shetland pony 12:46 <[Demo]1> ponies have a high tco though 12:46 a little shetland pony with a blonde mane and a brush 12:46 I assume LarienTelrunya genuinely doesn't know, but I think it would be a sign of good faith to take other people's word for it whatever they consider to be insulting 12:47 K2: for you or for your daughter 12:47 me of course 12:47 my kid can get her own pony 12:47 :P 12:47 -!- GTAXL11 has joined #hardfought 12:47 -!- GTAXL11 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Luxidream] by K2 12:49 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50 There are some things in slex I think are kinda offensive, but I don't really play it, so *shrug* 12:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:52 -!- stenno is now known as Guest18113 12:55 I can give my two cents if LarienTelrunya is interested, but I understand there's a lot to deal with already 12:55 -!- Guest18113 has quit [Client Quit] 12:57 And I know it's not meant to be taken too seriously anyway 12:58 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:58 well FWIW I'm already in the process of going through the entire slex source and removing all the childish insults 12:58 currently editing data.base, this will take a while 12:59 Take your time 12:59 i sasl now 13:01 aosdict: are you okay with me changing the encyclopedia entry for "aosdict" to "He's the first variant developer who made a big fork ofNetHack 3.6.0 (AntiGulp then made one too). His variantdoes quite a bunch of interesting mechanical changes.You should give it a try if you have time.*bundlebundlebundle* <3"? 13:01 whoops freenode formatted that strangely 13:02 -!- Hrogart has joined #hardfought 13:02 Why does aosdict have an encyclopedia entry? 13:03 +v/+V pls 13:05 You're logged in so you're fine 13:05 We can see you 13:06 and everyone else is not logged in? 13:06 because literally everyone else has +v 13:06 LarienTelrunya: I fail to see why I need an encyclopedia entry at all 13:07 aosdict: just for fun, maybe someone just happens to input that into the / prompt ;) 13:09 Status of the troll (chaotic): Level 3 HP 2(2) AC 0. 13:09 * hothraxxa snickers 13:09 COME AT ME BRO! 13:11 I feel like trolls are supposed to have more HP than that 13:11 !whereis hothraxxa 13:11 PavelB: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl]: (Hea Gno Fem Neu) T:43325 Gehennom level: 34 13:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vv Hrogart stenno] by K2 13:11 yay 13:12 thx 13:12 <@Winsalot> !tell K2 I get no error messages. Game just takes me to hardfought start page ( the one with all the variants listed). This is what happened when it crashed and keeps happening when I try to load that save. 13:12 @Winsalot: Message from K2 at 2018-08-12 20:17 EDT: thanks. can you give me some more details? do you get an error msg during segfault (and if so, what is it?) and does your game crash back to dgl or can you still continue? thanks 13:12 Will do, @Winsalot! 13:12 fiqhack right? 13:12 K2: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-08-13 13:12 EDT: I get no error messages. Game just takes me to hardfought start page ( the one with all the variants listed). This is what happened when it crashed and keeps happening when I try to load that save. 13:13 yup 13:15 hmm no coredump 13:15 i need to provide the game to FIQ, see if he can reproduce 13:16 YANI: bluff monster. appears to be a shapeshifter that biases towards powerful forms, but maintains the attacks, HP, and AC of its original form 13:19 @Winsalot I have provided your game to FIQ 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:63570 13:22 +aosdict │ there are 6 jonadabs, 1 aosdict, 1 ais, 19 fiqs (including fiqhack) in the scroll labels... 13:23 I am flattered that I happen to incur LarienTelrunya's wrath more than anyone else label-wise 13:25 It's because your name is in your variant name. 13:25 jonadab: Hm, I assumed aosdict combined names and variants 13:25 for everyone 13:25 Perhaps not then 13:25 Not certain. 13:26 there's something funky going on with my terminal rendering of weechat 13:26 as in "it's completely bonkers" 13:26 <[Demo]1> my phone is shitting its pants 13:27 Luxidream: for that to work, you also have to have a monster that is _actually_ a shapeshifter that biases towards powerful forms 13:27 FIQ: well I have angered the gods, therefore the mentions of FIQhack in slex will change to stuff like "FIQhack is a NH4-based NetHack variant that seems to have two maindesign goals: adding the wand balance patch, and making playersand monsters fully symmetrical. This has a bunch of gameplayimplications. If that sounds interesting to you, it can be playedon various public NetHack servers." 13:27 http://home.fiq.se/huh.png 13:28 try /redraw 13:28 aosdict: there are sandestins 13:28 I think they bias towards nasties? 13:28 stenno: yeah, I did, redrawing works but it messes up over time 13:28 not sure if it's tmux or weechat that is acting up 13:28 hrm 13:29 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:29 also you have a fancy looking irc client 13:29 Luxidream: I thought they just act like chameleons 13:29 it messed up since my last reboot 13:29 not sure if I messed something up 13:29 "Despite having the glyph of a major demon it is not considered as such. Sandestins have a 1/6 chance of changing form per turn, and will mimic monsters that may be created by summon nasties 6/7 of the time, or a random monster the rest of the time." 13:30 stenno: it's just weechat 13:30 -wiki 13:30 <[Demo]1> is that no rice? 13:30 well like a fancy configured one 13:30 mine doesn't look like that 13:30 <[Demo]1> Oh so it's riced damn 13:30 I didn't configure it that much 13:30 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 13:30 I changed some nick colors and stuff 13:31 Luxidream: I stand correccted 13:31 corrected even 13:31 I thought that was the rule for doppelgangers. 13:32 <[Demo]1> doppelganger lean towards player characters 13:33 <[Demo]1> didn't know sandestins liked nasties 13:33 makes sense right given that they are & 13:33 and doppelganger are @ 13:34 LarienTelrunya: just for the record. I never put trump's dick in my mouth. and if I actually did, I want IRC logs to prove it :-} 13:34 bhaak: ??? 13:35 "When I asked bhaak about adding new slex trophies to junethack, he said: give me some simple bits to check, give me some trophy pics and I'll add a trophy for getting Trump's dick to rise." 13:35 WutFace 13:36 :thonking: 13:36 !tell antigulp You begin bashing monsters with your cockatrice corpse. You hit the nightmare with the cockatrice corpse. The nightmare is slowing down. The nightmare turns to stone. The nightmare misses! The nightmare misses! The nightmare misses! The nightmare misses! The nightmare misses! The nightmare bites! 13:36 Will do, hothraxxa! 13:36 POGGERS 13:37 hothraxxa: that is truly a nightmare... 13:37 !tell antigulp continues to attack even though it's a statue 13:37 Will do, hothraxxa! 13:37 i should shatter the thing see what happens 13:37 bhaak: maybe Trump's dick is a slex monster :P 13:37 [hdf-us] [dyn] ULTIMATE SWEETHEART BUNDLE <3 (Luxidream) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 261214 points, T:44471, killed by invisible Ms. One-eyed Sam, the shopkeeper 13:38 yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 13:38 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44027 13:38 * LarienTelrunya hugs Luxidream <3 13:39 :( 13:39 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44030 13:39 also rip :/ 13:39 one eyed sam is a hacker 13:39 Does dynahack not livelog 13:39 not at all 13:40 <[Demo]1> i hate sam 13:42 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided hex dragon, on T:44042 13:42 <[Demo]1> can you just genocide D? 13:42 <[Demo]1> that might be worth doing in that game 13:43 there are tons of dragons though 13:43 what if you get archonstormed 13:43 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed historic wand of death named OH NO, HE'S USING A WAND OF DEATH! YOU DIE.", on T:44044 13:43 <[Demo]1> ah yeah 13:43 <[Demo]1> good point 13:44 <[Demo]1> so yeh take out hex dragons 13:44 Genocide archons 13:44 <[Demo]1> the archons of dragons 13:44 hex dragons are nasty so bye bye 13:44 I didn't know what they did 13:44 so I meleed one 13:44 in other variants i would proabbaly do disenchanters 13:44 it took poison resistance or something 13:44 <[Demo]1> what do they do other than cast? 13:44 gremlining 13:44 <[Demo]1> oh shit 13:44 <[Demo]1> that sucks 13:45 What does that mean? 13:45 <[Demo]1> hey can someone bundle antigulp into adding fiqhack monster viewer or pokedex 13:45 they can steal resistances 13:45 <[Demo]1> is it passive or a bite? 13:45 bite 13:45 summon nasties 13:45 passive would be awful 13:45 <[Demo]1> that should be added to blood puddings as a passive 13:45 btw, my "dictionary of modern slang" calls poof "the most common slang term for a male homosexual in Britain and Australia". it's from 1990 and I wonder if that hasn't been already outdated by then 13:45 it also has like 200 hp 13:46 yeah 13:46 all his elder dragons are nasty 13:46 pooftah 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a yeti, on T:27513 13:46 <[Demo]1> which elder dragon is the least bad? 13:46 as known from the bruce sketch 13:46 <[Demo]1> i kinda like razor dragons because conflict they are nuts 13:46 first razor dragon i met nearly killed me 13:46 <[Demo]1> i saw the word razor and i was like that sounds painful 13:47 <[Demo]1> and i was right and then it killed everything with conflict 13:47 <[Demo]1> and i had to take it on from a range with gugnir 13:47 <[Demo]1> but it was strong 13:47 i got gugnir in my first three splice games, haven't seen it since 13:47 <[Demo]1> its valk's second sacri weapon 13:48 i think i got it for my first 13:48 <[Demo]1> it might be first and i might be wrong, yeah 13:48 definitely before mjollnir 13:48 i think it's randomized 13:48 <[Demo]1> you might be right and it might be first 13:48 what did the void dragon do 13:48 when it was still in the game 13:48 <[Demo]1> disintegrate you 13:49 <[Demo]1> wait it was removed 13:49 yeah. void branch was removed 13:49 i don't know. the only ones i've seen i killed immediately with a wand of FUCKRODNEY 13:49 <[Demo]1> i think it was like an un disintegrator 13:49 <[Demo]1> but a bad dangerous dragon 13:49 i miss disintegrators 13:49 <[Demo]1> are they not in un any longer? 13:49 in unnethack, disintegrators MISS YOU 13:50 no, not for a long time 13:50 adeon complained and they were removed 13:50 <[Demo]1> ok i know dyna doesnt have them 13:50 dilapidated armories were fun with them 13:50 don't wake up k2 else k2grunt will get them 13:50 <[Demo]1> dilapidated armories are fucking bullshit rn 13:50 yeah, those aren't balanced at all 13:51 <[Demo]1> disenchanters fuck you up on dlvl 3 13:51 death rooms 13:51 <[Demo]1> those guys do a lot of damage quickly 13:51 wow yeah I love losing a +4 robe to a polymorph trap, hooray 13:51 you see here a thouroughly rotted corroded burnt partly eaten newt scale mail 13:51 <[Demo]1> dnh dilapidated armories are way better 13:51 and bhaak is like "lol you get free armor stop complaining" 13:51 "free" 13:52 drop of oil, good as new! 13:52 oil should fix rusted armour 13:52 LOL, you get free armor! stop complaining! 13:52 how nasty were disintegrators? 13:52 <[Demo]1> lol 13:53 hothraxxa: it does, does it not? 13:53 no only weapons 13:53 ah 13:54 @u?disintegrator 13:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:22 SpliceHack updated (all servers) 14:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:33 aosdict: you hit them with any weapon -> weapon disintegrated 14:33 they hit you -> armor disintegrated (although MC-able iirc) 14:34 and they can walk through levels like rock moles but much faster 14:34 disintegrating the rock 14:35 i lost my excalibur to the first one i met 14:35 and that happened to other players too 14:36 kinda like 'alien' with the acid for blood 14:36 sorta 14:37 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:37 -!- [Demo]1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38 FIQ: just FYI: I've unbanned you from the esm channel. Also I'm going through the entirety of slex and removing the FIQhack-bashing stuff. 14:39 I see 14:40 sorry for overreacting back then and also sorry for generally being an asshole with my in-game messages 14:42 if I cared, you would have removed it far sooner 14:43 -!- Liara- has joined #hardfought 14:43 -!- Liara- has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:43 [hdf-us] [fh] Terrapin (terrapin) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 18950 points, T:997, killed by a gnome king 14:43 yeah but still, I now realize that having in-game messages basically say "don't play variant X" is a really stupid thing to do 14:46 !tell antigulp so what i think happened is i stoned a headless horseman and the square it was on showed only the statue but the nightmare was still there and summoned another nightmare which i stoned but kept getting nightmare attacks from the one under the statue and i was confused because i thought i killed it already not realizing i killed a different one a long and convoluted sentence i know 14:46 Will do, hothraxxa! 14:58 [hdf-us] [fh] Terrapin (terrapin) (Tou Gno Mal Neu), 14373 points, T:793, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "a blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:33652 15:07 -!- Janusz9 has joined #hardfought 15:07 -!- Janusz9 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:08 EPI: occasionally, gravestones use the _ glyph instead of the default | one. 15:09 Does `#pray`ing at a gravestone do anything meaningful? 15:10 that would be sweet if you could pray to the inhabitants of the grave 15:13 stenno: maybe disintegrators would work better with spork (I think) disint mechanics 15:14 PavelB: if not, it would make a great YANI 15:14 "if not". it doesn't 15:14 I've been trying to think of an interesting effect 15:14 well an obvious "bad" effect is to summon a ghost 15:14 LarienTelrunya: Occasionally (say, one time in a thousand), a completely random glyph is used instead of the one that would usually be used. 15:14 or other undead 15:15 jonadab: :D 15:15 sounds like fun! 15:16 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "the holy greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:33695 15:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv introsp3ctive khoR noty] by K2 15:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ProzacElf] by K2 15:18 -!- lynn_ has joined #hardfought 15:18 -!- lonjil has joined #hardfought 15:18 I periodically thought about monsters like that, just to mess with altar farming 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "a greased holy fixed amulet of reflection", on T:33703 15:19 aosdict: I don't think there should only be a bad effect, though 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "the holy greased fireproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:33705 15:19 of course not 15:20 that was if you got random good/bad or mixed effects 15:20 also the schmoo monster, which always dies tame 15:20 One effect could be "You feel that the one buried here feels content" or a similar message and get an alignment bonus 15:20 I believe for gravestones the 5 bits of level flags are all free 15:20 schmoo is delicious 15:21 alignment bonus for lawful, perhaps. and then one of the bits gets set so you can't farm it 15:22 If the grave is of a previous character, the effect could be affected by that previous character's alignment 15:22 So e.g. if a chaotic character leaves a grave it'd be more likely to appear as a ghost 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "the +2 holy greased rustproof T-shirt", on T:33709 15:22 * oh6 hrms at scrollback 15:22 IDK if bones remembers that information 15:22 I guess I was just lucky when I went after the void dragon in my splice game 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "an uncursed greased corrodeproof magic marker", on T:33716 15:24 Well, altar masks containing alignment info are stored in the flags. 15:24 though they do it inefficiently 15:25 unaligned = 0x0, cha = 0x1, neutral = 0x2, law = 0x4 15:25 -!- lonjil2 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25 -!- captain42 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25 -!- lynn has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25 -!- khoR_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:26 nice, you can have an altar with all the alignments 15:26 I wonder what happens if you try that 15:27 probably it gets a bad amask2align and panics 15:27 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9409 points, T:10559, killed by a jaguar 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2331 15:29 LarienTelrunya, i saw this on Steam and thought of slex https://i.imgur.com/XImF3xk.jpg 15:29 I'm trying to think of an effect other than summoning undead and just alignment change 15:30 It feels like there should be some "physical" good effect 15:30 well let's assume the spirit is benevolent and appreciative. it probably can't do anything corporeal. 15:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30 intrinsics? 15:31 ESP maybe 15:31 Oh, maybe enlightenment could also be a thing 15:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:33 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #hardfought 15:33 ooh maybe a limited identify? 15:33 hell yeah sasl 15:33 like 1 item 15:33 or more but at random 15:34 "the ghost whispers the identity of your ring to you" 15:34 turns out that irssi 0.8+ doesn't even need a 3rd party plugin for that anymore 15:34 That's actually a great idea, there should be more ways to formally id stuff than just ?oID 15:34 ... and thrones haha 15:34 thrones 15:35 shopkeeper services (in some variants) 15:35 however the positive effects of gravestones would have to be limited somehow due to the sheer volume of gravestones in the Valley, regular graveyards, and some quests 15:35 -!- captain424 has joined #hardfought 15:35 #pray doesn't work in gehennom though? 15:35 it can only be graves with special engravings 15:37 also remembering lost ones is not the same as praying to a deity imo 15:37 make them give knowledge a la splice scrolls of knowledge 15:37 Don't "toilet prayers" work in Gehennom in variants that go there? 15:38 and what would a toilet prayer be 15:38 aosdict: One of the effects could be "You feel the dead are restless" and after than any more grave praying on that floor will cause a bad effect 15:38 <@luxidream> only slashem + derivatives has toilets 15:38 <@luxidream> you pray to the toilet god 15:38 stenno: It makes you vomit on demand. 15:38 lol 15:38 "Praying to the porcelain goddess" 15:38 ah praying to the porcellain god 15:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:38 right 15:39 you shit your pant. oops, you weren't wearing pants! you shit your frock 15:39 anyone remembering talks !sit trigger lol? 15:40 * Pinkbeast fails to parse that 15:40 irc user named 'talk' 15:40 he was very young and immature 15:41 loool its in the qdb but downvoted to oblivion 15:41 you'd say poop and he'd giggle for 10 minutes? 15:41 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?16 here is the !sit trigger he programmed for rodney 15:42 -!- irv has joined #hardfought 15:42 -!- irv has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:43 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1116 points, T:2073, killed by a magic missile 15:46 yay someone's playing FIQhack 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:35215 15:47 -!- Victorsueca29 has joined #hardfought 15:47 -!- Victorsueca29 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3817 15:48 hrm, spellbooks have different weights? 15:49 oh6: Do you mean probability of generation or mass? 15:49 wouldn't a thin spellbook weigh less than a thick one? 15:49 you'd think so 15:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vv captain424 lynn_] by K2 15:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3579 points, T:4773, quit 15:50 <@Winsalot> K2: Thanks 15:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv lonjil Pinkbeast stenno] by K2 15:50 !who 15:50 PavelB: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] terrapin [fh] mightyquinn [sp] hypnotist [nh361] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:51 I'm just spectating Terrapin's game, and assuming the numbers in braces are weight 15:55 they are 15:57 In vanilla all spellbooks have identical mass 15:57 i think novels are lighter 15:58 But are not spellbooks. 15:59 * stenno helds a lenghty monologue about the magic of reading a good book 15:59 The BoTD is lighter. Novels appear to be massless, i wonder if I believe that 16:00 without knowing, i'd assume that a weightless item causes some division through 0 errors somewhere 16:02 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 16:03 oh6: in fiqhack the weight of a spellbook is 10*level 16:04 this is something I intend to do but I need to make wights show up first 16:04 *weights 16:04 yasi: a spell that decreases the mass of some inventory item by a random amount - if it becomes 0 it flies out of your inventory at the speed of light 16:04 * aosdict creates an army of invisible wights 16:04 Pinkbeast: man you are right 16:05 novels weight 0 16:05 wow, really 16:05 that sounds either crash-bug inducing or somehow exploitable 16:05 aosdict: Are ghosts in xnh still space 16:06 I don't know that it would be - if you have no inventory the game doesn't crash 16:06 well having no inventory is something else than having an inventory with no weight 16:06 hmm, maybe 16:08 wait, there's gravity in nethack? how am i doing this floating in the air thing? 16:08 magic 16:08 i'll be damned! 16:08 magic you say? can i wish for stuff? 16:09 sometimes 16:09 you have to quaff from fountains and get lucky 16:09 there are other ways but they're harder and less interesting 16:10 [hdf-us] [fh] Terrapin (terrapin) (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 35328 points, T:2471, killed by a giant spider 16:10 PavelB: they're W 16:10 Yay 16:10 that was either the first or the second mlet change 16:11 Actually I think mine are 8 since I copied a .nethackrc 16:11 lemme check 16:12 Nope 16:12 Yay 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1461 16:13 time to grep the source for all occurrances of otmp->wgt or w/e its called 16:13 Kappa 16:13 owt 16:14 stenno: owt has to be reset every time something with an object changes, doesn't it? 16:14 i don't know 16:14 You can't get owt for nowt 16:14 whats the actual weight attribute for objects, is it really owt? 16:15 there are only 29 results for otmp->owt in the source 16:15 maybe i am too naive just searching like that lol 16:15 <@Rikersan's Tower> maybe cuz you don't often need the direct weight like that 16:15 I doubt the object is always otmp, also 16:15 <@Rikersan's Tower> mostly just things like nutrition, which is based on wt 16:15 <@Rikersan's Tower> that's true 16:16 wat, owt is unsigned? 16:16 but antigold 16:16 is that new? 16:16 probably 16:16 er wait, thats probably unrelated 16:16 <@rikersan> idk, I know dnh lets owt be negative for one artifact 16:16 imma just eat icecream and continue to watch lost 16:17 but thats something i could delve a bit deeper into when i'm in dublin 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3239 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4596 points, T:4219, killed by a soldier ant 16:22 !lastgame 16:22 Luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1534190848.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/puck/fiqhack/dumplog/2018-08-13%2012%3A13%3A17%2C%20Ivruqajahr-Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1533813217.dnh.txt 16:24 antigold was a quan overflow, no? 16:26 yeah 16:27 the weight of the individual object was irrelevant 16:27 more or less 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:37854 16:33 -!- puck_ has joined #hardfought 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37872 16:35 man you're still being on a run, nooodle 16:36 gogo 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1930 16:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:37 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 16:37 stenno yup yup.... found a wand of washing on D:18 or so, and since then it's been easy peasy 16:37 convenient 16:37 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv [Demo] puck_ tacco|] by K2 16:39 puck_ try your tell to FIQ now 16:39 you arent registered on freenode and werent voiced, so beholder didnt 'see' you 16:40 <[Demo]> Yeah I need to get my bot set up to auth with nickserv 16:40 -!- steven214 has joined #hardfought 16:41 -!- steven214 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:41 K2, thx, but I already told him same message on #nethack4 16:41 -!- puck_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:42 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ You need to be registered with freenode or voiced in this channel to be 'heard' until the spambot issue goes away. Please register and identify an account with freenode 16:42 -!- Richard_Cavell has joined #hardfought 16:42 -!- Richard_Cavell has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:52 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1961 points, T:4434, poisoned by a killer bee 16:55 deadly poison twice? 16:55 you've got to be kidding me 16:55 <[Demo]> ow 16:55 already got instakilled dipping for excal 16:56 [hdf-us] [fh] Terrapin (terrapin) (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 29332 points, T:2879, killed by a blue jelly 16:57 Luxidream: You should play more xnh, aosdict removed instakill poison 16:58 I want to get my vanilla faster 16:59 also I still need to distance myself from that last xnh session 17:00 yeah anyone can do 1:50 17:00 its so easy that i am not even trying 17:00 so you better get quicker 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:39069 17:03 no luck stenno? :/ 17:03 lol 17:03 to be fair, i am currently on a short break 17:04 but i will play in dublin 17:04 lots of work stress recently 17:04 then i will try to tackle your time 17:08 You should get your time down to 15 minutes, so you can start telling people that NetHack is a "coffee break roguelike". 17:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1284 17:13 well adeons time already makes it a lunch break roguelike 17:14 possible with absurd bones stuffing? 17:14 not even then 17:14 the bot can do it 17:14 hmm 17:14 Probably possible with sufficiently insane skills. 17:15 maybe possible with bones stuffing 17:15 the typical gametime bones stuffing 17:15 +9 grayswandir, ascension kit, 53 potions of gain level? 17:16 yeah 17:16 oh yeah the 53 magic mapping too 17:16 maybe more c!oGL 17:16 well don't really need that much magic mapping 17:16 And some full healing perhaps. 17:16 wands of death 17:17 wands of teleport also 17:17 strategic rings 17:17 teleport control plus cursed tele 17:18 in a good pile so you can easily tell what it is 17:18 yeah, need a few cursed tele 17:18 so dig down to DL:4 and grab god bones 17:18 complete quest 17:18 levelport to vlad 17:18 levelport to fakewiz 17:19 can probably use drum of earthquake instead 17:19 does that still work in 3.6.1? 17:19 I'm not sure 17:19 <[Demo]> for what? 17:19 waking up rodders from outside his tower 17:19 to wake up the purple man 17:19 aosdict: 30+level*5 actually 17:19 @ spellbook weight 17:20 I don't think I could do it 17:20 I think astral takes me too long 17:20 <[Demo]> ah ah 17:20 yeah astral is the real problem 17:21 actually 17:21 <[Demo]> just get lucky 17:21 I can do it in 5 min I think 17:21 but that leavves 10 min for the rest of the game 17:21 which is impossible 17:21 keep in mind you can do oilskin + "oMB for water 17:22 you get pushed around by the water too much 17:22 it's awful 17:22 don't do it 17:22 <[Demo]> Wait you want to do it in 15 minutes? 17:22 oh? 17:22 "Water turbulence disrupts your movements" 17:22 damn 17:22 >moves in a random direction 17:22 <[Demo]> doesn't swimming lower that? 17:22 maybe still faster than just waiting 17:22 <[Demo]> poly into water troll 17:23 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #hardfought 17:23 oh you could do branchport skip maybe 17:23 thats faster than c!oGL 17:23 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:45395 17:24 <[Demo]> in what? 17:24 <[Demo]> Oh dyna? 17:24 no 3.6.1 17:25 forgot dyna has that exploit 17:25 how hard is it to set up 17:25 <[Demo]> 3.6.1 doesn't have branchport skip though 17:25 fuck man 17:25 <[Demo]> is there a new way? 17:25 <[Demo]> Isn't it fixed in 3.6.0? 17:25 not to my knowledge if thats fixed 17:26 yeah it's fixed I think 17:26 <[Demo]> what 17:26 <[Demo]> but they have ais 17:26 its def. not fixed in 3.6.0 17:26 <[Demo]> hmm 17:26 so what do you do 17:26 stenno: branchport skip was fixed before 3.6.0 was released 17:26 the bug was only discovered a few months before 3.6.0 was released 17:26 do you give the AoY to your horse 17:26 and levelport? 17:26 oh 17:26 but after the leak 17:26 <[Demo]> not levelport 17:26 <[Demo]> eota 17:27 its easy to set up, i did it on my first try on NAO 17:27 ais announced it and coincidentally i had a wizard about to obtain the ammy 17:27 with a few spare wishes 17:28 if I get the chance I'll try it in dyna 17:28 but i think your horse gets hostile after 5 failed mount attempts if you're not kni? 17:28 you won't fail at high level 17:28 formula is based on level and tameness 17:28 stenno: tameness reduces by 1 each time you try to ride it 17:28 or rather, failed mounting removes 1 tameness for non-kni 17:28 right 17:28 successful mounting 17:28 too 17:29 ah ok 17:29 and tame figurine monsters have 5 tameness to start, right? 17:29 my dyna time is already pretty decent so probably not any time soon though 17:29 yep 17:29 well, at least in 3.4.3 17:29 it's a horse, just retame it? 17:29 IIRC 3.6.x made it depend on charisma? 17:29 <[Demo]> you have to play a neutral though 17:29 or a wizard 17:29 it stole a dnh feature about it 17:29 then I'll play neutral valk 17:29 I forgot the details exactly 17:29 neat 17:30 Luxidream: but for speedrunning you still have to spare a few wishes 17:30 like, 3 17:30 idk if you can do that reasonably without bones stuffing 17:31 dyna is also based on un 17:31 so it restricts wishes 17:31 but you can visit the town where there might be a saddle or shit 17:32 and generally its more likely to just find what you need 17:32 <[Demo]> polypile candles 17:32 <[Demo]> idk 17:32 so dyna guarantees shield of reflection 17:32 also all quest artifacts give magic resistance 17:32 these changes were to compensate for less wishes 17:32 gotta work out a proper strategy 17:33 dragonbreath does not work on reflection in dyna 17:33 also, partial resistances 17:33 <[Demo]> dyna is free mr 17:34 anyway bedtiems 17:34 happy theorycrafting 17:34 night stenno 17:34 brb 17:38 -!- Luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:40 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 17:47 -!- Hrogart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:49 -!- Guest96800 has joined #hardfought 17:49 -!- Guest96800 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:50 -!- stenno2 is now known as sacredchao 17:58 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:58 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:06 -!- trisk21 has joined #hardfought 18:06 -!- trisk21 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:12 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:14 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 18:26 -!- swordsmanz29 has joined #hardfought 18:27 -!- swordsmanz29 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:28 -!- Luxidream has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2119 19:16 <[Demo]> sad 19:20 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3321 19:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3934 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4922 19:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:55 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 19:55 -!- Guest29805 has joined #hardfought 19:56 -!- Guest29805 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 19:58 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7547 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:8567 20:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 46632 points, T:9771, killed by a minotaur 20:14 [hdf-us] [fh] carvel (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 26379 points, T:4600, killed by a rothe 20:16 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 20:16 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 20:19 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:971 20:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:39357 20:40 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 20:40 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 20:43 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:57 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [*.net *.split] 20:57 -!- Tangles has quit [*.net *.split] 20:57 -!- winny has quit [*.net *.split] 21:01 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 21:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 21:04 -!- 18WAA8RJI has joined #hardfought 21:04 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 21:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v winny] by card.freenode.net 21:04 -!- 18WAA8RJI has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 21:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3259 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5662 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:7673 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:7753 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed greased scrolls of charging", on T:8087 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8089 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased ring of levitation", on T:8299 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:8617 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:8618 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:8619 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:8742 21:35 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 57510 points, T:8850, killed by a marilith, while frozen by a trap 21:35 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 21:36 <@luxidream> !lastgame 21:36 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1534208194.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/puck/fiqhack/dumplog/2018-08-13%2012%3A13%3A17%2C%20Ivruqajahr-Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1533813217.dnh.txt 21:36 <[Demo]> frozen by a trap 21:36 <[Demo]> what 21:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12441 21:45 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 21:46 <@rikersan> why 21:47 <@rikersan> oh 21:47 <@rikersan> he's wishing for the weeb artis 21:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:42512 21:51 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:42542 21:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:42663 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:42697 21:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 22889 points, T:13707, killed by a mumak 21:59 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:59 note to self. "q" is the mirror image of "p" and usually represent a large smashing quadrupeds 22:00 mumak are OP 22:00 even as pets they suck. 22:03 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2560 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5563 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:6333 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a blue jelly, on T:6538 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:7667 22:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed greased scrolls of charging", on T:8209 22:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8209 22:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:8219 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of conflict", on T:8241 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 68827 points, T:8293, killed by a rock troll, while praying 22:51 -!- tacco| has quit [] 23:02 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3445 23:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3846 23:08 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:4354 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased ring of polymorph control", on T:5485 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:5740 23:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an ape, on T:5149 23:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9219 23:23 -!- WhitePhosphorus1 has joined #hardfought 23:23 -!- WhitePhosphorus1 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:12328 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:12330 23:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6381 23:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:14458 23:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:14686 23:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:7510 23:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed greased scrolls of charging", on T:16073 23:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "2 cursed greased scrolls of genocide", on T:16075 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:16212 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:16259 23:52 YANI (which I will immediately implement because I'm working on related stuff): Hiding-under-object monsters can also hide under various types of terrain (besides grass). Sinks, altars, thrones, ladders, headstones. 23:53 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:17008 23:53 headstones you say 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Mal Law), 138166 points, T:17104, drowned in a moat, while frozen by a monster 23:54 nice idea 23:55 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought