00:01 aosdict: does xnh have the option to display the running score so I can accurately test that? Or is there a wizmode command to artificially increase my score? 00:03 -!- Guest39978 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ashikaga Takauji, on T:43737 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43769 00:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 00:18 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 00:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o FIQ] by ChanServ 00:28 !who 00:28 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] samiam [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:30 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 00:32 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 00:38 aosdict: I RTFM'd and compiled with SCORE_ON_BOTL and tested and it works! Thanks!! 00:49 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 00:50 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 00:53 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:56 -!- dp314 has joined #hardfought 00:56 -!- dp314 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 01:02 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 01:09 -!- dograt has joined #hardfought 01:22 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:22 -!- stenno is now known as Guest74130 01:27 -!- Guest74130 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:5252 01:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 5539 points, T:5748, killed by a mumak 01:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:40 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:56 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:11 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 03:24 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:25 -!- stenno is now known as Guest87834 03:29 -!- Guest87834 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:04 -!- EdSaperia5 has joined #hardfought 04:04 -!- EdSaperia5 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 04:05 -!- Warped20 has joined #hardfought 04:05 -!- Warped20 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 04:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:21 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:22 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5702 points, T:2800, killed by a fire ant 04:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:29 -!- stenno is now known as Guest87251 04:32 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:32 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 04:36 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:48 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:24 -!- darkengine27 has joined #hardfought 05:24 -!- darkengine27 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 05:29 <@Winsalot> !tell K2 Hi, I think I have segfault/some other crash in fiqhack. eu server, user winsalot, character name ThisTimeIWin. Thanks 😃 05:29 Will do, @Winsalot! 05:29 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 05:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:35 <@Winsalot> Just after I tried playing after couple of weeks 😃 05:35 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 05:43 -!- Hrogart has joined #hardfought 06:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:16 -!- Guest87251 has quit [Changing host] 06:16 -!- Guest87251 has joined #hardfought 06:16 -!- Guest87251 is now known as stenno 06:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1600 points, T:2192, killed by an orcish arrow 08:07 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 08:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1593 points, T:2030, poisoned by a killer bee 08:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1476 points, T:1271, killed by a bear trap 08:28 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 08:33 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:37 -!- apetresc6 has joined #hardfought 08:37 -!- apetresc6 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 08:42 bouquet: most servers turn off the option to let the user see score though. 08:43 You really shouldn't have to worry about it, unless you find a pick on level 1 and immediately want to use it or something. 09:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:53 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 10:06 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 10:13 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:20 Status of the Archonpurple worm (neutral): Level 13 HP 52(52) AC 5. 10:20 wtf antigulp 10:20 no idea what this can do to me 10:21 hm. dead now. didn't even try to do anything *shrug* 10:25 <[Demo]> maybe he can swallow gigantic things? 10:26 <[Demo]> oh archon purple worm 10:26 <[Demo]> not arch purple worm 10:26 <[Demo]> probably some amalgamation with broken ai 10:27 it's an amalgamation but who knows about the ai 10:27 you can't look that stuff up because it's generated at random 10:27 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 10:28 i've been engulfed by the engulfer half of an amalgamation 10:28 <[Demo]> hmm, which half was it in? 10:28 What is it? 10:28 Status of the Archonpurple worm (neutral): Level 13 HP 52(52) AC 5. 10:28 <[Demo]> that might matter 10:28 Hold on, let me grab the amalgamation code so you know what you’re dealing with 10:29 well it's dead but i would like to udnerstand that better 10:29 i got cursed by half of an amalgamation once. golden nagasomethingsomething 10:30 and i still fear the arch lichmaster mind flayer 10:30 Hmmm the attacks don’t show up on the “check” screen in-game, I should fix that 10:30 Imo floating eyemaster mind flayer would be the worst 10:30 <[Demo]> do amalgamations get covetous status if they are part something covetous? 10:30 well floating eye paralysis is passive 10:31 there should be a deathwizard of yendor :P 10:31 you're a deathwizard of yendor 10:31 or a master kaenmedusa! 10:31 <[Demo]> im thinking an arch lich mind flayer so like cthulhu but you dont get to prepare for it 10:31 oh god 10:31 ruh roh 10:31 <[Demo]> also an air elemental cockatrice would be neat 10:32 Nope, no covetous. Amalgamation coding is a mess, they currently only pull attacks from their two constituents, although in the future I’m going to pull more. The attack formula is as follows: 10:32 <[Demo]> which afaik wouldnt actually stone onn engulf 10:32 that would be an air elementalcockatrice and no it wouldn't 10:33 in my splice runs all the amalgamations always seemed to be wimpy noobs that couldn't even dent me 10:33 LarienTelrunya: see above 10:33 depenbds on when you run into them 10:34 hothraxxa: they're also very rare, so you don't run into them often at all 10:34 when you first see them they can really be nasty 10:34 whut? somewhere there's a gazillion of them, i've been there 10:34 Amalgamations and bad clone attacks alternate between their two pieces. So the first attack of an amalgamation is the first attack of its first monster, the second attack is the second attack of the second, the third is the third attack of the first monster, and so on. Bad clones use a nastier formula of 1st attack of 1st, 1st attack of 2nd, 2nd attack of 1st, 2nd attack of 2nd, 3rd attack of 1st, 3rd attack of 2nd. Bad clones can and 10:34 will mess you up hard. I need to put this on the wiki. 10:35 And for some reason I forgot to make this show up on the status screen, so that’s going on my todo list. 10:36 so once i genocide a monster, can it still be part of an amalgamation? 10:36 that’ll take a second to look up, brb 10:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:37 Surprisingly no, genocided monsters are actually excluded. 10:38 as they should be i think 10:39 Yeah, I agree 10:39 the scroll of knowledge is a beautiful thing. they should be much less common imo 10:40 i love the rogue's gloves i found 10:40 what happens if you're facing an amalgamation, say an arch-lichmaster mind flayer, and genocide half of it? 10:40 <[Demo]> probably nothing 10:40 nothing 10:40 Although that would be fun to experiment with. “Half the arch-lichmaster mind flayer dies!" 10:41 loses half the hp and all the attacks from the dead part 10:41 YASI: genociding an amalgamation with part demilich kills it completely, because the demilich is already only half of a lich :P 10:41 it would depend on how the amalgamation is flavored 10:41 if it's just a chimera type deal, the surviving half would likely be able to live 10:42 but if they're fundamentally mixed up with each other, it could kill the whole thing 10:42 YASI: genociding part of an amalgamation transforms the monster into whatever the other half is. 10:42 that's not stupid 10:42 I like that idea 10:42 YANI then 10:42 anyway, to avoid creating a noob trap, *something* useful should happen when you genocide half of an amalgamation. 10:43 personally I'd go for it just dies. 10:44 Time to mess with genocide code wheeee 10:48 more quest level redesigns! more!! 10:49 -!- Zapy21 has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- Zapy21 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 10:49 more! 10:52 ooh, now that I added grass I can drop in the College of Archaeology 10:52 why did that require grass? stoner students? 10:53 jonadab: mcw and I were all into making cool filler level algorithms, but I'm getting a better grasp of the power of the 3.6 level compiler. I think some of the planned new algorithms might be possible entirely in that. 10:53 crap. titan mudusa 10:54 hothraxxa: it really looks MUCH better to have grass, and paved pathways through it, rather than looking like a plain open field. 10:55 snakes 10:55 in the grass 10:55 oh yes that was a planned idea for grass that I forgot about: small hider monsters can hide in it 10:55 and of course the arc quest monster is snakes (why did it have to be snakes) 10:55 well arc quest. snakes. mandatory 10:56 * aosdict still needs to watch the temple of doom and the last crusade 10:56 snake hiding items will be more scarce though 10:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:59 <[Demo]> what if items could generate buried in grass? 11:01 then most people would not find them 11:02 if the small-in-grass rule were applied to snakes, then garter snakes, snakes, and water moccasins would be able to hide in it; pythons, pit vipers, and cobras would not. 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Hum Fem Law), 3926 points, T:2762, killed by a troll 11:03 If you increased that to MZ_MEDIUM, then only pythons wouldn't be able to hide. 11:03 <[Demo]> just let cnoceal under items magoos hide in it 11:06 The flaming sphere explodes! The electric eel is on fire! 11:06 this is special magic fire that burns in water i guess 11:07 greek fire 11:08 <[Demo]> would be funny if it evaporated the water and left it in a pit assuming its a pool or whatever 11:08 nethack logic 11:08 yes i'm confident that this is vanilla 11:09 apparently electric eels take forever to kill each other 11:09 <[Demo]> yes they suck at it 11:10 !tell K2 SLEX 2.3.0 is available at the master branch. Since I figure we shouldn't wait forever with the update, you may put that version on hdf if you like and I'll make a compat branch for it so I can do bugfixes even as I work on 2.3.1 :) Please make sure to use the up-to-date makefile so the Acu, Mas and Hus quest levels also get compiled. ♥ 11:10 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law), 994 points, T:1399, killed by a hill orc 11:20 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:20 hothraxxa: well they're resistant to their own shock and drowning attacks... 11:20 aye. sometimes they bite each other 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:46371 11:21 like pitting two pure-type pokemon with no normal-type attacks against each other 11:22 they miss a lot 11:22 <[Demo]> did i hear two dragon types against each other? 11:24 your black dragon kung fu is powerful but my hex dragon kung fu will defeat you 11:24 <[Demo]> hex dragons arent immune to black dragon breath though, right? :P 11:24 demon versus demon would be fun due to the gating of additional demons :D 11:25 <[Demo]> i think mvm doing that is a slashem thing 11:25 i will be a SILVER hex dragon 11:25 <[Demo]> that dnh also picked up 11:25 Nalfeshnee: "EAT THIS! I have summoned JUBILEX!" Ice devil: "LOL you're doomed I have YEENOGHU on my team, you're going DOWN!" :P 11:26 <[Demo]> demons fighting but its pokemon battles with demon lords/princes 11:26 * hothraxxa summons tariru and defeats them all 11:26 <[Demo]> JUIBLEX USE TOXIC! 11:27 “Nalfeshnee wants to fight! Nalfeshnee sent out demogorgon!” 11:27 :D there should be an actual poison status effect in nethack 11:27 every variant should contain a tariru tribute 11:27 <[Demo]> yeah i agree with that actually 11:27 "Yeenoghu cast MAGIC MISSILE! It's not very effective against Demogorgon..." 11:28 <[Demo]> dnh has that 11:28 Demogorgon casts DESTROY ARMOR! Yeenoghu has no armor that could be destroyed... 11:31 Yeenoghu cast CONFUSION! Juiblex is confused! It hurt itself in its confusion! Juiblex is killed! 11:31 !who 11:31 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] CatPurrson [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] samiam [nh361] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:32 <[Demo]> can splice wand of wonder grant wishes? 11:33 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 11:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:33 No, it specifically cannot. 11:34 Closed that loophole before it even existed. 11:34 <[Demo]> would be fun 11:34 i wonder when the spam wave will be over 11:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2609 points, T:2962, killed by a bolt of lightning 11:35 <[Demo]> does wonder use mkobj to pick wand or just pick a random otyp with each having the same chance? 11:38 Picks a random otyp. There are a few substitutions, so some are more likely to appear and some never will (wishing, nothing) 11:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:39 There are a few other weird caveats, but generally assume a random otyp, biased slightly toward a ray. 11:40 <[Demo]> nice ok 11:41 In the (currently not on hardfought) non-savebreaking bugfixes, there is code so that they give a message when engraved with in order to avoid situations where the player thinks they have one wand but it’s actually a wand of wonder. 11:42 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:38264 11:42 oh I thought it was added specifically to confuse wand id 11:43 AntiGulp: are you working on some other branch, or is jul 25 the last pushed commit? 11:44 No, there’s commits from today. It’s in master, because my commit practices are awful. Really should add a new branch. And originally that’s what I added it for, but it kind of felt too unfair to me. 11:47 ok but it appears like all bugfixes, no new features 11:48 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 11:48 hmm 11:49 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 11:51 support for my volatile mushroom theory grows 11:52 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:54 -!- Davnit has joined #hardfought 11:54 -!- Davnit has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:55 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: gonna go to a restaurant with roommate and her sister ♥] 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2322 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2377 points, T:2889, killed by a gray unicorn 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:49552 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:49568 12:03 <@luxidream> !tell AntiGulp https://pastebin.com/2cHDiwuN YANI for deck of fate 12:03 Will do, @luxidream! 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1401 12:05 <@luxidream> AntiGulp: can you actually see this one? 12:08 -!- introsp3ctive1 has left #hardfought 12:09 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:48744 12:12 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #hardfought 12:15 @luxidream he's offline but will see the tell next time he says anything 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] brandywine (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:2286 12:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3684 12:22 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 12:27 <@luxidream> !tell AntiGulp marathon is bugged you still gain HP for leveling up 12:27 Will do, @luxidream! 12:32 [hdf-us] [fh] hands (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 26761 points, T:2649, drained by a gnomish wizard's spell 12:34 <@luxidream> !tell LarienTelrunya YANI: With the release of NHL, evilvariant mode should require a $5.99 donation to play 12:34 Will do, @luxidream! 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3347 12:41 q - an uncursed wand of wishing (0:2). 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death, on T:41877 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:41900 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law), 766373 points, T:41915, killed by a minotaur 12:59 [hdf-us] [4k] groovejumper (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 27921 points, T:47205, killed by a minotaur, while sleeping 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:50212 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7643 13:18 -!- Simba16 has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- Simba16 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:31 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 13:32 !who 13:32 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] kelvin [fh] dgoddard [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] ptaff [nh361] brandywine [nh361] CatPurrson [nh361] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:32 !where 13:32 !whereis hypnotist 13:32 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361]: (Cav Dwa Fem Law) T:51262 The Quest level: 14 13:33 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 13:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o FIQ] by ChanServ 13:34 HI I'M DAI the Pilfererer 13:34 that's lux's current name 13:36 nice patch idea: put the player's terminal emulation on the dgamelaunch's game list 13:36 -!- daemon6 has joined #hardfought 13:36 -!- daemon6 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:37 <@luxidream> bug_sniper: it's HI I'M DAISY 13:37 I see, just cut off 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 28076 points, T:13970, petrified by a cockatrice 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:7273 13:49 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:50 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 13:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o FIQ] by ChanServ 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8813 14:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Anu, on T:56250 14:06 -!- timvisher has joined #hardfought 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 29647 points, T:12685, killed by a crocodile 14:15 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:16 <@luxidream> !who 14:16 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] hypnotist [nh361] brandywine [nh361] CatPurrson [nh361] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:56678 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:56719 14:28 -!- loli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32 <@Tone> Did anyone ever get NetHack Legacy to run from source on a windows machine? 14:33 <[Demo]> no we are all too stupid 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:11988 14:33 <[Demo]> or rather the only person thats tried to that i know of iss 14:35 Would that one person be you by any chance 14:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) genocided disenchanter, on T:57297 14:38 <@Tone> Thanks 14:38 <@Tone> Writing a review for it on Steam 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:50652 14:41 <@luxidream> @Tone maybe bring it up in discussions 14:41 <@luxidream> ? 14:41 <@Tone> I can't even get the game to run now 14:42 <@Tone> oh there we go 14:42 <@Tone> it's because I had the manual PDF open? 14:42 <@Tone> it thought the game was already open 14:42 <@luxidream> Apparently gameplay time runs when you open the manual 14:43 <@luxidream> very scummy 14:43 <@Tone> oh wow 14:43 <@luxidream> another review talks about this 14:43 <@luxidream> are you over 2 hours yet 14:43 <@Tone> Nope 14:43 <@luxidream> good 14:43 <@Tone> I did have the manual open for a while yesterday without the game running 14:44 <@Tone> didn't realize it did that 14:44 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 14:45 <@Tone> Is there a changelog of any gameplay stuff that changed? 14:45 <@Tone> or do they say nothing changed? 14:49 <@luxidream> zero gameplay changes 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:51712 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:57996 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:14608 15:05 !tell ais523 Have you or other devteam members considered just adding a "supported windowport" that is Steam, and pricing it at $0? 15:05 Will do, aosdict! 15:06 maybe windowport isn't the best term. platform? 15:07 Wouldn't they have just the same Steam/NPL incompatibility 15:07 <[Demo]> yes 15:07 <[Demo]> but if they are too much of a pussy to do anything about it they could do that instead 15:10 Pinkbeast: if it's an official devteam supported endeavor though (and they make an actual effort to provide the source in an actually buildable way), there will be no complaints from the devteam, and there will be no complaints from Steam since they don't go hunt down license conflicts. 15:10 <[Demo]> the dt cant violate their own license 15:11 So it'd be possibly technically against the rules but with no desire to enforce the rules 15:11 aosdict: Other contributors to NetHack might object; AFAIK TDT don't insist on copyright assignment. 15:11 <[Demo]> the sane parts of the community would have their neck 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:52804 15:15 But the reason I'm suggesting it is they could either (probably) have NHL taken down and then there's no nethack on steam, or put a free version up on steam that people can obtain and thus grow the community. 15:15 Except they can't do the latter except with the consent of every contributor. 15:16 Plus, I'm not sure the Steam license compatibility restrictions apply if it's just a steam wrapper around a regular NetHack.exe, and they can say "if you want to redistribute this for free, just take these files, and also here's the full source code" 15:17 <@Tone> I think my NetHack Legacy review is going to be too long for steam. Is it worth posting a detailed review somewhere else? 15:17 Geez, are you writing an essay over there? 15:17 <@Tone> I'd like to be thorough 15:17 aosdict: ais seemed fairly certain you can't now practically do that; if it's on Steam, even un-DRMed, it's got to have Steamworks tentacles in 15:17 "Abstract - Why Nethack Legacy is bad and no one should buy it" 15:18 <[Demo]> the DT needs a goddamn lawyer 15:19 Lawyers are expensive 15:19 And I don't think nethack has a budget 15:20 <@luxidream> how many words is the review 15:20 Who pays for nethack.org's servers, anyway? 15:21 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 15:21 PavelB: It's hard to suppose the expense is significant. 15:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:21 <[Demo]> if they need money they can ask for it 15:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:21 <[Demo]> also they have connections 15:24 I want to throw money at the dev team but there doesn't seem to be a good way to do that 15:24 <@Tone> @luxidream I think it's limited to 8000 characters 15:25 <@Tone> I might be cutting it close. I'll just write it all then trim it down 15:25 PavelB: I'm not aware they're soliciting money 15:25 <@Tone> although people are unlikely to read a long review so maybe I'll just make it short and sweet 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:59349 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:59370 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:59391 15:31 PavelB: "Hosted courtesy of alt.org." 15:32 Ah 15:32 so dtype's wallet probably 15:32 PavelB: also the dev team really wouldn't have anything to do with money thrown at them 15:32 <[Demo]> lawyers lol 15:32 <[Demo]> protect their software 15:32 Spend it on pizza like the PuTTY team 15:33 <[Demo]> be less of crabby curmudgeons 15:33 these people can't agree on anything. how would they decide how to divide it among their members? 15:34 <[Demo]> bylaws and officer positions 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:59515 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:17699 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:59670 15:39 -!- darxun9 has joined #hardfought 15:39 -!- darxun9 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:40 aosdict: I suppose they could use it to pay the fee for getting a product on steam :P 15:42 YASI: Steam vortexes (capital S). When you get engulfed by one, you need to pay $0.19 USD for the escaping DLC. 15:43 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 15:45 Or just 19 zorkmids 15:46 Come to think of it, that could actually be a thing. It's a normal steam vortex, but some of your zorkmids get scattered and are lost as a reference. 15:47 <[Demo]> shk engulfiung attack 15:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:47 [hdf-us] [fh] bands (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 20754 points, T:1636, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:49 what happens if you have no/insufficient money? 15:49 LarienTelrunya: ^^^ would make a pretty good slex addition 15:49 obviously if you have no money you will be devoured 15:50 The Pirate class in variants with it is immune 15:52 If SLEX doesn't already have Gaben as a unique monster I'd be pretty disappointed 15:55 oh I was invisible... no wonder no one could read what I said :P 15:55 LarienTelrunya: Message from @luxidream at 2018-08-12 12:34 EDT: YANI: With the release of NHL, evilvariant mode should require a $5.99 donation to play 15:55 there really should be a message telling me that I need to register with services 15:55 aosdict: a steal gold engulf attack that does nasty things if you don't have enough gold? ;) 15:55 PavelB: who or what is "Gaben"? 15:56 Gabe Newell, Mr Valve 15:56 @Luxidream: well no one wants to play evilvariant mode anyway, despite jonadab's prophecy that it'll be the most played mode 15:56 Gaben is valve's CEO and a meme 15:57 ah, well yeah he isn't in slex 15:57 smh 15:57 GabeN 15:58 <@luxidream> isn't the point of evilvariant mode to take the worst of every variant 15:58 this dude https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/gaben-640x353.jpg 15:58 actually gaben is in slex, i am pretty sure 15:58 at least as a hallu monster or so 15:59 <@luxidream> ?@le gaben 15:59 or grave enscription or so 15:59 @luxidream: yes, that's probably why no one plays it :P 15:59 <@luxidream> @le? gaben 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:18581 15:59 this is what evilvariant mode does: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Bluescreenofdeath/Evil_Variant 15:59 -!- raktajino15 has joined #hardfought 15:59 -!- raktajino15 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 speed boots", on T:18582 15:59 <@luxidream> therefore, it should take NHL's price tag 16:00 <@luxidream> and the CRT distortion 16:00 the NHL developers should implement evilvariant mode in their game :P 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 gauntlets of power", on T:18590 16:00 make the crt distortion not optional 16:00 ez 16:01 also require mouse as primary controls 16:01 for movement or so 16:01 <@luxidream> arrow keys 16:02 <@luxidream> what NHL prides itself on 16:02 lol 16:03 It does specifically advise against arrow keys 16:03 <@luxidream> no, they added arrow key support for diagonal movement 16:03 <@luxidream> to make it more "accessible" 16:03 forced grid bug conduct! :P 16:04 The guidebook does say that you should use hjlkyubn or numpad instead 16:04 hey they should make grid bug conduct an official conduct that you can add to your rcfile to force it :P 16:04 YANI: ^^ 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of levitation", on T:18653 16:04 after all, they did add (a broken version of, because of the stuuuuuupid eyes of the overworld) zen conduct as an official conduct, might as well have grid bug conduct too then 16:05 <@luxidream> if the eyes didn't break zen, you could just play a neutral character 16:05 <@luxidream> and scum wishes for a zen ascension 16:06 easy fix: just make the eyes do nothing if playing zen conduct :P 16:07 Easy fix, leave it as it is 16:11 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:13 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 16:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 16:22 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:30 Pinkbeast: putting all the money the devteam would get into pizza sounds like a quick way of getting rid of the devteam. most of us aren't at an age where you can eat pizza all day long without getting cardiac problems :-) 16:31 Hasn't killed the PuTTY team... yet 16:32 nice idea: low sodium pizza that is safer to eat 16:33 <[Demo]> out with the old in with the new 16:33 If you think about it, if most of the dev team worked on the original nethack, they're like, super ancient by now 16:33 Given it released around three decades ago 16:34 I don't think many of the current active DT worked on the original NetHack. Not none, but not many. 16:34 how old are you? 12? I think none of the original devs have even retired :-) 16:35 do the math. they were probably at university (as otherwise, you'd unlikely to have net access), so early 20s in the mid to late 80s 16:35 Which would put them at around 50 16:35 Which is pretty old 16:35 it that super ancient to you? 16:35 50 is the new 30 16:36 Well, I wouldn't know 16:36 I'm just 17 16:37 mind you, I remember a time when the year 2000 seemed far off and me being 26 then seemed old and grown up to my younger teenage mind 16:37 now I'm still waiting for the day when I feel old and grown up 16:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:63495 16:38 bhaak: but you have kids already 16:39 stenno: yeah, it's crazy. anybody can have kids! 16:39 you don't even need a license 16:39 i assume that enforces a certain degree of grown-up-ness (read responsibility) 16:39 yeah but not as much as you thought your parents had 16:40 although I'm beginning to suspect they were also just faking it 16:40 related https://i.pinimg.com/originals/58/c6/d5/58c6d5419845878bee522b8e7e4aed55.gif 16:42 although I always knew my mom wasn't the most responsible person. she got knocked up at 19 from a guy who is not my dad. my big sister and I don't have the same biological father :-) 16:42 ah damn 16:43 my parents ideas of bringing up kids were basically that rules are just restrictions and anti-authoritarianism is the bestest thing ever 16:44 hey, it were the 60s and 70s. 16:44 and then halfway through realizing that it doesn't really work but that somehow only made it worse 16:44 haha 16:44 i guess 16:45 really got my shit together in the last few years though thankfully 16:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45 I never really tested the borders in my teens (but my sisters did), so I never felt there were borders, so my 20s got a bit wilder than expected 16:45 better late than never 16:45 hah 16:45 The 60s seem to have passed mine by; someone else had all the sex, drugs, and rock and roll. 16:46 bhaak: you have sisters? do they have long bundles? ♥ 16:46 i was a poster schoolboy until i got 14 and then i went full beserk 16:47 berserk even 16:47 LarienTelrunya: I'm not sure what "long bundles" could mean in THAT context :-) 16:47 isn't it 'bueschel' 16:47 I got my computer and my books and was happy :-) 16:47 büschelbüschelbüschel :D 16:47 do i want to know what you mean by a 'bueschel' of a girl 16:48 and how it can be long? 16:48 this is a head with long bundles: https://l-userpic.livejournal.com/124505627/72497808 16:48 * stenno applies a certain amount of mind bleach 16:48 oh like 16:48 Haarbüschel :D 16:49 hatsune miko 16:49 yeah she's an absolute bundle head ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 16:50 no, none of them wears their hair like that 16:51 I think I'm the only one with some fan potential for anime :) maybe the younger one watched sailor moon 16:51 i grew up with dragon ball mangas 16:52 i think i started when band 13 or 14 was released here in germany 16:52 <@luxidream> PavelB: does that mean mean I’m not the youngest person in the nethack community anymore D: 16:53 we had some really young people around 16:53 mpr was like 12 or 13 16:53 My friend's little brother plays nethack and he's 13 16:53 I think he's in #nethack sometimes 16:53 and rawrmage too 16:53 and kerio too actually lol 16:54 <@luxidream> kerio is 13? 16:54 <@luxidream> lmao 16:54 well he was at some point 16:54 but i mean he was like 15 or 16 when we first met in irc 16:54 Hey, I was 13 at some point too 16:54 I'd wager even you were 13 at some point :P 16:54 if you disregard the heidi/biene maja stuff when nobody knew what animes are, my first one was Captain Future. later I watched almost all stuff when VOX had an anime phase. I also watched Ranma 1/2 when I probably was way too old already :-} 16:55 i read ranma 1/2 manga 16:55 my sister bought sailor moon and ranma 1/2, and i bought dragon ball 16:55 Bubblegum Crisis classic 16:55 <@luxidream> I watched cardcaptor Sakura when I was little 16:56 CCS is supposed to be really good 16:56 I only watch trash isekai 16:56 ew 16:56 btw, that's another thing that keeps you youngish with kids. you have to hunt down videos and watch stuff you wouldn't have watched anymore 16:57 i watched like 2 issekai and decided the genre is crap 16:57 oh yeah 16:57 It is 16:57 and as you have to watch it repeatedly, you want to make certain that it doesn't drive you crazy 16:57 I watch it anyway 16:57 sesamstrasse and sendung mit der maus 16:57 lol 16:57 and hallo spencer 16:58 I also read a crap ton of poorly translated isekai light novels 16:58 It's awful and I can't stop 16:58 u should feel bad about urself 16:58 i do 16:59 lol 16:59 bhaak: there are nice cartoons for kids that are also cool for grown-ups 16:59 like asterix 16:59 <@luxidream> I would watch roguelike isekai 17:00 I mean yes 17:00 But how would that owrk 17:00 Each episode ends with the protagonist getting their possessions identified 17:00 <@luxidream> NAO: the anime 17:00 stenno: in that case, the comics are way better than the movies. btw, the newest one is quite good 17:01 the zeichentrick movies are awesome 17:01 but yeah the comics are even more awesome 17:01 asterix erobert rom is great tho and there's no comic of that 17:02 yeah, that's certainly one of the best 17:02 and asterix and kleopatra too (the zeichentrick movie) 17:02 wait we're talking anime and no one pinged me?? 17:02 passierschein A38 17:03 -!- loli has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 17:04 currently trying to watch magical girl utena 17:04 but somehow i stopped after the 2nd episode 17:04