00:02 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:05 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 00:18 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:20 -!- stenno is now known as Guest80502 00:24 -!- Guest80502 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Do+you+want+your+possessions+identified%3F&lk=2 00:25 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 00:31 -!- nickoe has joined #hardfought 00:31 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has joined #hardfought 00:33 -!- nickoe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:36 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 00:37 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:45 clever 00:45 though it looks like computers are still inferior at word problems 00:46 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 00:49 <@luxidream> bugsniper: the second half of your name is italicized on discord 00:49 <@luxidream> just letting you know 00:50 <[Demo]> it adds flair 00:51 -!- Luxidream is now known as luxi 00:51 -!- luxi is now known as luxi_dream_ 00:53 . 00:54 -!- luxi_dream_ is now known as luxidream2 00:55 lol 00:55 -!- luxidream2 is now known as luxidream_ 00:55 <[Demo]> nope when u do it it's just... poofy 00:55 -!- luxidream_ is now known as luxidream 00:56 -!- luxidream is now known as [Luxidream] 00:56 <[Luxidream]> better? 00:57 -!- [Luxidream] is now known as Luxidream 00:58 <@bugsniper> test 00:58 <@bugsniper> [test] 00:58 why are blue jellies so angry? 00:58 <[Demo]> see the way I see things I can't even remember I have brackets 00:58 they register a "1" with warning. 00:58 <[Demo]> they are mean and agressive 00:59 <[Demo]> one bit me once and it hurt 00:59 <@bugsniper> I thought your were making a joke that i didn't know the punchline for 01:00 their passive agressive behavior is pathetic. "Get a shrink, jelly boy!" 01:00 -!- Adeon has joined #hardfought 01:00 jellies are mad because they're jelly of everyone else who has limbs and brains 01:01 that makes sense. They should be. 01:01 It's a rough life being a jelly 01:02 Just sitting here hoping something comes by and walks into it so it can eat. 01:02 At least ochre jellies get off their butts and do some work. 01:04 cheers to those guys. 01:04 !booze ochre jelly 01:04 * Beholder throws ochre a cup of Romulan ale, brewed by NotTheOracle\dnt at 230 Kelvin. 01:05 Do many terminals actually accept the ANSI escape code for italics 01:05 Mine doesn't 01:05 My IRC client does though 01:05 mine doesn't apparently 01:06 !booze introsp3ctive 01:06 * Beholder pours introsp3ctive a shot of suds, brewed by Announcy at -7 degrees Celsius. 01:07 So when someone sends italics from Discord or through ANSI, I wonder how many people can see it. 01:07 rld *does* translate the italics. 01:07 -!- Ellenor has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- Ellenor has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 01:08 * introsp3ctive wonders what kind of suds these are but drinks them anyway 01:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 68738 points, T:32426, crushed by a falling boulder 01:11 looks like this to me "“bad”" 01:13 that was cut/pasted from something PavelB said earlier which I think had some fancy formatting 01:13 <@luxidream> SAMPLE STRIKETHROUGH TEXT BUNDLE 01:13 doesn't even show up 01:14 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 01:14 <@luxidream> bolded and underlined 01:14 Works 01:15 can I do this for character names? 01:15 π 01:15 !setmintc 0 01:15 Luxidream: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for luxidream set to 0 01:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:15 🏊 01:15 did that emoji come through? 01:15 Yes 01:16 -!- Guest45420 has joined #hardfought 01:16 wild 01:16 -!- Guest45420 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 01:16 [hdf-us] [dyn] __Wizard of Vendor, Salesman__ (Luxidream) (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:15, choked on a food ration 01:16 Do you get formatting from IRC to discord 01:16 not the highlighting 01:16 that's awful 01:17 how to do the highlighting btw? 01:17 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 01:17 !setmintc 4000 01:17 Luxidream: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for luxidream set to 4000 01:17 ANSI escape codes 01:17 Which my client can insert automatically 01:18 <@luxidream> !booze introsp3ctive 01:18 * Beholder delivers introsp3ctive a pint of the hard stuff, prayed over by the late Pinobot at 93 degrees Celsius. 01:18 !booze Luxidream 01:18 * Beholder throws Luxidream a pint of grappa, replicated by Izchak at 2 degrees Celsius. 01:19 say, does any drink really take decent near the boiling point? 01:19 I don't trust Izchak. it probably has wax in it or something 01:20 Maybe that's the temp it was distilled at? 01:21 I've come a long way in this game. If I killed myself in desperation at turn 32426 10 years ago I would have been pretty pissed off, now I just don't care. 01:21 at least I know my bones will nourish a future adventurer. 01:24 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Hum Fem Neu), 228 points, T:802, killed by a grappling hook 01:25 bouquet: cartomancer sucks 01:25 it's like wizard except really bad 01:30 -!- a_boudel1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 01:44 but how bad does it suck? I intend to find out through SCIENCE! 01:47 spell cards hardly ever proc twice 01:48 I don't think I ever got double charging, genocide, or enchant. mostly other garbage 01:49 dang 01:49 well, I'm not married to this character hence my fast and loose playstyle. 01:49 well, you're not doing badly 01:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:51 well... now I am! 01:51 lucky I had a scroll of teleport 01:55 too late, too hot, too tired. 01:56 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 02:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:05 -!- Luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:20 -!- stenno is now known as Guest4334 02:25 -!- Guest4334 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:40 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 02:42 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:44 -!- 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introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 08:48 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Client Quit] 08:48 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 08:59 -!- CatPurrson has quit [Quit: CatPurrson] 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class R, on T:35721 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class P, on T:35724 09:23 -!- armyriad13 has joined #hardfought 09:23 -!- armyriad13 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 09:37 why is there a do... while (0) in the code, with no continues or other control statements besides an if/else 10:08 !whereis tangles 10:08 Tangles: [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh]: (Pir Inc Mal Cha) T:14393 The Sunless Sea level: 12 10:12 !who 10:12 bug_sniper_: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 10:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:28 <[Demo]> yikeso 10:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:33 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 10:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:54 aosdict: Relevant SO: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/154136/why-use-apparently-meaningless-do-while-and-if-else-statements-in-macros 10:55 meh, better just to not allow that flexibility, it can only lead to tears 10:56 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 10:59 I think that defining a macro FOO such that `if(cond) FOO();` breaks is a bad thing 11:00 if you need to encapsulate multiple statements in the macro... just put { } at the beginning and end of it. No need for a do while(0). 11:01 C won't have any problem with if(cond) { { code(); morecode(); } } 11:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03 aosdict: That breaks `if(cond) FOO(); else ...;` 11:04 Since you have a block *and* a semicolon after the `if`, the `else` gets detached. 11:05 You could do `if(cond) FOO() else ...;`, but that looks ugly and incosistent. 11:09 PavelB: Enforce brackets on all appropriate control statements then. 11:09 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 11:09 One thing I really dislike about the nethack codebase is that it appears to only have braces where absolutely necessary. 11:11 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 11:11 Even if you don't do that a lot, the do/while solution lets your function-like macros not cause strange bugs 11:11 if your macros are getting that much like functions, may as well just make them functions 11:12 makes them more debuggable as well 11:13 yeah and yeah 11:13 If this was C++ you could use templates, but in C you're somtimes stuck with function-like macros 11:13 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed historic blank +5 cloak of protection named tony soprano", on T:27579 11:14 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 11:14 a blank cloak of protection, nice choice 11:17 what does the historic mean? 11:17 and the blank part? 11:17 they don't affect it 11:18 !who 11:18 bug_sniper_: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] dgoddard [nh361] | [hdf-eu] PeterQ [dnh] | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 11:18 bug_sniper_: those are added for your entertainment 11:19 oh, I see, something new in splicehack 11:19 also i did not get the +5 :( 11:19 no that's from vanilla 11:20 one eyed sam sold me two blessed magic lamps, a bag of holding, and a magic marker 11:21 bug_sniper_: what hothraxxa got (and was expecting to get) was a blessed greased fireproof possibly-+5 cloak of protection named tony soprano. the other modifiers would affect other wishes but here they don't do anything. 11:22 oh oes also sold me a helm of briliance 11:22 nice market she's got there. shame if something happened to it 11:22 and the magic lamp thing isn't fixed yet? so they still give wishes? 11:23 it was blessed, and yes 11:24 isn't historic supposed to be a statue modifier and black a scrollbook modifier? 11:24 she has a cockatrice corpse in an ice box. it was tempting to see if she has acid about her person 11:24 bug_sniper_: yes 11:25 <@Tone> Maybe she also has a wand of probing around 😄 11:25 heh, good idea 11:25 I thought OES resisted stoning 11:25 likely she does 11:25 and has an "ols 11:26 * aosdict checks to see whether OES is actually female in splice 11:26 she is 11:26 she resists everything 11:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:3491 11:30 I guess if it was slex, blank t-shirts would be writable 11:31 EPI: t-shirts and other clothes that say kick me give monsters extra kicking damage against you 11:31 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:37 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 11:37 I’m alive 11:37 AntiGulp: Messages from K2, hothraxxa, @luxidream, and Luxidream have been forwarded to you privately. 11:38 double the Luxidream, double the fun 11:39 hey at least you didn't get so many messages that it made Beholder crash 11:39 which happened to Chris_ANG 11:39 TRUE. 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:4337 11:39 antigulp: using showrace, when i swap places with a friendly G my G turns from white to whatever colour that babyshit yellow is for gnomes for a turn 11:40 (i'd blame aosdict) 11:40 what? why? 11:41 aren't you responsible for the swapping code, or is that fiq? 11:41 i'd blame you anyway because you're here and he's not 11:41 And here I was going to blame curses 11:41 I remember fixing or reporting some bug along those lines... 11:42 it's a trivail thing that has no real effect 11:42 like wishing for a blank cloak 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:4603 11:44 -!- Luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 11:44 hothraxxa: I’ve seen the placing defunct monster bug before, also with priests, but only once and several versions back. I’ll have to do some digging to figure out that bug. 11:45 !tell luxidream I can’t see your pastebin idea, but I fixed the lichen bug. 11:45 Will do, AntiGulp! 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 8702 points, T:4715, poisoned by an orcish arrow 11:45 saving and restoring got me through 11:46 AntiGulp: if you're interested, there are two patches against 3.6.1 at https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Tomsod/YANIs_and_patches. I'm undecided on one and don't want the other. 11:47 Those are pretty neat. The make invisible -> secret door one is something that I’m surprised isn’t in vanilla, frankly. 11:48 -!- Luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:52 -!- ovoldemorto has joined #hardfought 11:52 -!- ovoldemorto has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:55 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Failure Eidolon, on T:28117 11:55 got me earmuffs! 11:56 I really should make them an accessory, but the code to do that is kind of nightmarish. 11:58 yeah, i will never use them because helmet 11:58 hmmm. i thought this orb was special but i'm not seeing anything on the wiki 11:59 I haven’t updated the wiki yet. Basically if you throw the orb at something, it blows up in a 3x3 explosion and does quite a bit of cold damage. 11:59 orly? good to know 11:59 sounds like something to throw at demo 12:00 <[Demo]> ow 12:00 <[Demo]> hey antigulp you should bring over huge explosions to splice 12:00 <[Demo]> cause big explosions are cool 12:00 I’ve played enough cataclysm to know where this is going 12:00 btw are the generated demons at invocation covetous? luxidream said he thought the might not be, and i had a couple who didn't teleport to me but a couple did 12:01 eg mephisto seemd not to know i was there 12:01 AntiGulp: you might be able to get away with putting them in the blindfold slot 12:01 also that would be fairly elegantly balanced 12:01 that's where i hoped they'd go 12:02 hothraxxa: They shouldn’t be covetous, unless they spawned before the ritual and just happened to not be fought. 12:02 ah, excellent 12:02 gives you a much better chance 12:02 I tried the blindfold slot, and while it’s possible, there’s quite a bit of super obnoxious hard-coded stuff to do with eyes there that makes it really frustrating. 12:02 I probably will at some point, but it’s very tedious. 12:05 AntiGulp: the ancient brain should at least give you a point of intelligence when eaten 12:06 hothraxxa: It’s on my todo list. That level doesn’t have enough in the way of rewards considering how obnoxious it can be. 12:06 not easy to beat and so is a disappointment when you do 12:06 Right now I’m trying to implement K2’s idea that silver-hating players don’t start with silver items, and it’s proving much more difficult to implement than I expected. 12:06 i killed a purple dragon and wore the scales otherwise it just wipes you out 12:07 also my quest portal has a hex dragon next to it, you bastard 12:07 AntiGulp: are u_init items in splice eligible to get random object materials? 12:08 aosdict: Nope, I ported your change from xnethack. The issue is more along the lines of starting with a silver spellbook, wand, or ring, for example. Or maybe a wand of wishing is generated silver one game :( 12:09 a silver *spellbook* is an issue for infernals? 12:09 ffs try not to have a gold wand of wishing, else i'll have to genocide leprechauns as a precaution 12:09 Ok, scratch the spellbook problem 12:09 hothraxxa: muahahahaha 12:10 I absolutely love the lepruchaun change 12:10 hothraxxa got a nice gold key, kept it around for bling, and promptly got it nabbed by an l 12:11 he's dead now 12:11 rip lucky 12:11 couldn't be helped 12:11 <[Demo]> that's an interesting leprechaun change 12:12 hothraxxa: well there aren't any gold wands so you're safe 12:12 <[Demo]> makes gold an undesirable material 12:12 really? i did not know that 12:13 * AntiGulp sideyes splicehack’s gold wand 12:13 demo: gold is heavy 12:13 [Demo]: I may have over time nerfed gold too much as a material. It's mainly good for hitting things with blunt force right now, and selling. 12:13 there is a gold wand, right? i did not imagine that? 12:13 <[Demo]> Probably renamed 12:13 hothraxxa: only in splice 12:13 I don't see one in xnh... 12:13 <[Demo]> to avoid gold gold wands 12:13 and slex 12:13 probably 12:13 <[Demo]> or iron gold wands 12:13 right, in splice is what i meant 12:13 <[Demo]> or mineral gold wands lol 12:14 [Demo]: we just don't randomize object materials for wands and rings and other objclasses like that 12:14 in my implementation, there's a function that determines if something can have its material set differently. not too many things on that list 12:14 yet there was my plastic piece of cloth 12:15 "piece of cloth" is the literal object name 12:15 yes i know 12:15 AntiGulp: I changed it to "dusty cloak" in case you want to avoid that 12:15 aosdict: Nice, I’m digging through object code right now so I’ll port that. 12:16 -!- lunaaa has joined #hardfought 12:16 -!- lunaaa has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:30 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:45 -!- preaction has joined #hardfought 12:45 -!- preaction has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45 a zoo with volatile mushrooms blows up real good 12:46 nice 12:46 those things are nasty if you aren't careful 12:49 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 12:49 ok. if these ludios centaurs are in cells, why do they have attack wands? bloody nuisances, i call them 12:50 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:50 also, ludios + black market might be op 12:52 <@luxidream> blackmarket is already op 12:52 @luxidream: Message from AntiGulp at 2018-08-11 11:45 EDT: I can’t see your pastebin idea, but I fixed the lichen bug. 12:52 I have a suspicion that antigulp is really a volatile mushroom 12:52 he explodes into confetti an awful lot 12:53 <@luxidream> AntiGulp: I can write it out again. I wanted to change some of the deck of fate to better fit their tarot meanings 12:53 @luxidream he's quit 12:53 <@luxidream> oh 12:53 <@luxidream> lol 12:54 YANI: A sessile monster, like a volatile mushroom but more harmful to the player. No gameplay benefit from killing it whatsoever. Exists only because there are some players who kill ANYTHING. 12:54 <@luxidream> doesn't even give you score or EXP 12:55 <@luxidream> no corpse or death drop 12:55 <@luxidream> doesn't show up on your final kills list 12:57 Oh, it would show up on the kills list. 12:59 <@luxidream> what if it's blocking a corridor 12:59 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:59 <@luxidream> maybe let the player displace it with m? 12:59 <@luxidream> to reinforce the fact you don't have to kill it? 13:00 downgrading this to YASI actually 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1912 points, T:4216, killed by a bolt of fire 13:38 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:30109 13:41 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 13:42 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Client Quit] 13:48 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:03 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 14:08 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:10 -!- Raccoon has joined #hardfought 14:10 -!- Raccoon has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:13 K2: made some more updates, only relevant gameplay changes are to the Bar-fila level 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:37997 14:16 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:2422 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1210 points, T:2449, killed by a hill orc 14:21 -!- Luxidream2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:31 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has joined #hardfought 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 118 points, T:369, killed by a sewer rat 14:45 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1872 points, T:2434, killed by a scroll of earth 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1151 points, T:2115, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 15:11 What's a good way to reflavor squeaky board traps on "outdoors" levels? 15:12 The obvious gag is to have it be a stick that you step on and snap loudly, but that wouldn't make any sense for triggering it multiple times, really. 15:13 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 15:14 <@IceBox> If only shriekers weren't in the game already 15:14 <@IceBox> That would be the perfect outdoor version 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4189 15:16 A porcupine. You step on it and shout loudly. 15:16 <@IceBox> And it doesn't move? 15:16 Nah 15:18 A birds nest, and each time you disturb (step on) it, the birds make noise 15:18 None of these are good ideas... 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:5122 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5316 points, T:6138, killed by a crocodile 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] brandywine (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 885 points, T:2133, killed by a dwarf 15:31 <@Tone> Alright, in about 15 minutes I'll be livestreaming NetHack Legacy to give it a blind look and some first impressions 15:41 make sure to return it before 2 hours :P 15:41 <@Tone> yeah I'm probably going to set a timer or something 15:42 @Tone if you're on Unix you can build it from source using ais's patch 15:42 Then you don't have to worry about refunding it 15:43 <@Tone> Windows :/ 15:44 <@Tone> I don't think I'll want to play it for more then 2 hours anyways 15:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:45 I think I'll tune in for the beginning. Should be fun. And I do really like @Tone's voice 15:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:48 -!- stenno is now known as Guest4283 15:48 @Tone the game manual is longer but is mostly just the nethack guidebook 16:06 for the record, the official statement by ais523 via reddit is "Please don't buy this." 16:08 <[Demo]> nobody is distributing a windows build yet? 16:09 two steam reviewers just said "here are the links to play on NAO and hdf in your browser for free" 16:13 also saying elven sleep resistance is just "intrinsic" could be fatally misleading for new players 16:15 @Tone probably unlike console nethack it can detect numpad keys as more than just numbers so it can do both at once with no need for a separate option 16:17 -!- emilsp23 has joined #hardfought 16:17 -!- emilsp23 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:21 I doubt they're allowed to get away with copying the guidebook with just tossing Eric S. Raymond et al in a pile of names near the end of the book 16:22 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 16:24 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:29 I bet they didn't actually implement double-arrow-keypressing, and they just want to trick you into thinking it's a diagonal move. Try going around a corner with that. 16:30 Sometimes needing to compile things from source on Linux is annoying, but when you have to build something on *Windows*, it's complete hell. 16:32 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 16:43 -!- foxcookie has joined #hardfought 16:43 -!- foxcookie has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:47 "they" = ? 16:47 NHL? 17:07 <[Demo]> hmm got it set up with bison and flex on windows and still wont build 17:11 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 17:15 aosdict: pile of leaves 17:15 dead leaves rather 17:15 (backscroll regarding squeaky board replacement for outdoors) 17:16 <[Demo]> crunch crunch 17:22 [Demo]: Apparantly you need VS on Windows? I haven't tried though. 17:23 Visual Studio's licensing policies are evil 17:23 the most recent versions, you can't get a perpetual license to the free versions 17:23 you can only get a trial license that can be refreshed indefinitely (or until Microsoft changes their mind about letting you refresh it) 17:26 <[Demo]> have vs 17:26 <[Demo]> have it set up with bison and flex and everything that should be needed to build it 17:27 ais523: The community edition doesn't require a license 17:28 PavelB: it does, it's just that Microsoft give you a free license if you fill out some forms and then keep checking back over the Internet 17:28 What forms 17:28 You just download and run the installer 17:29 And then it works 17:31 I mean it sometimes bugs you about updates but unlike Windows updates you're not actually required to install them 17:35 <[Demo]> bitches about negative subscripts when you try to build on windows 17:35 hmm, that's weird; I wonder if that's an assertion failure or something going drastically wrong? 17:36 arrays with negative sizes are the #1 most common way to implement a static assertion failure on systems which don't have them, and it's a rare error otherwise 17:36 try checking the relevant lines of the source to see if there's an assertion there 17:37 <[Demo]> NH_COMPILE_TIME_ASSERT 17:37 <[Demo]> yep 17:38 You could try just removing the assertion 17:38 It might not break 17:38 <[Demo]> theres a shit load of them 17:38 <[Demo]> maybe about 100 or so? 17:39 nah, that assertion is likely there for a reason 17:39 check what it says and see if you can make it true 17:39 <[Demo]> uhhh 17:40 <[Demo]> so im trying to generate the compiled header files 17:40 <[Demo]> but it doesnt want to generate them without them existing what 17:43 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 17:46 <[Demo]> cant get makedefs.c to even compile 17:47 are you using cmake? 17:47 I think the intended way to build NHL is to use cmake to generate a VS project, then run VS on that 17:48 <[Demo]> yes i used cmake to generate a VS project 17:49 <[Demo]> then i configured my flex and bison path in VS 17:49 <[Demo]> and now its being dumb and really wants makedefs.c to build but like thats not happening because its assertions in some of its headers are not friendly about being true 17:49 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 17:54 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:54 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] brandywine (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:342 17:56 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59 -!- Guest4283 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:29 -!- Hrogart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:08 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:11 hi 19:11 Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought 19:11 aosdict: is "If you are not a beginner and would break weaponless conduct for the first 19:12 basically a one time "whoops!" and then you're on your own? 19:19 bouquet: It checks if you've broken the conduct or not every time 19:19 The check for bringing up the prompt is: 19:19 if (wep && (wep->oclass == WEAPON_CLASS || is_weptool(wep)) && !u.uconduct.weaphit && !flags.beginner) { 19:20 So it'll keep protecting you 19:20 so every time I hit with a wielded weapon it'll prompt after 2000 turns? 19:21 the way it's worded in the change notes wasn't clear to me. 19:21 Right 19:21 I'll have to build it and see! 19:21 I'm pretty sure K2 pulled it by now 19:22 I have a whole vm dedicated to testing all the variants :) 19:23 Why do you need a VM 19:23 You can just build it normally 19:25 I like a clean lib 19:26 So how does building nethack make it dirty? 19:38 PavelB: vm is portable, it has all my build environments set up. I can access it from anywhere. 19:49 -!- mz`22 has joined #hardfought 19:49 -!- mz`22 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 19:55 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:56 -!- stenno is now known as Guest72422 19:57 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:34949 19:58 -!- Cool_Fire13 has joined #hardfought 19:58 -!- Cool_Fire13 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 20:01 -!- Guest72422 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:30 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:53 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 21:11 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:20 SpliceHack updated (all servers) 21:28 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:36220 21:30 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36238 21:34 <@luxidream> So what happened on Tone’s stream? 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "the blessed greased +2 holy mitre of holiness", on T:39664 21:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:55 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "the holy greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:40946 21:57 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:57 -!- stenno is now known as Guest79143 21:57 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 22:00 K2: oooh great idea with the pile of leaves 22:01 bouquet: it's not 2000 turns. it's beginner, which is 2000 points. 22:01 -!- Guest79143 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:01 aosdict: "The pile of leaves rustles a G Flat Note" 22:02 ha 22:03 I'd comment out the Galder Weatherwax Musical Boards of course 22:03 Make sure you can't untrap them with !oOil since that wouldn't make sense 22:04 I think that was an unnethack only thing 22:04 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:04 No, in vanilla you can untrap them with !oOil and can of grease 22:04 -!- FIQ has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 22:05 you know what, if you douse leaves in oil they're not going to make much noise afterwards. 22:06 If I go outside, find a pile of dead leaves, and pour oil on them I don't think they're going to get any less loud when I step in them 22:09 <@Tone> aosdict: btw the diagonal movement with the direction keys works, it just requires somewhat precise timing 22:10 <@Tone> You can do it consistently but not fast if you wanted to make a bunch of diagonal moves 22:10 <@Tone> I was able to walk around a boulder and stuff 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 6128 points, T:5957, killed by an orcish arrow 22:14 what I meant was, situate yourself somewhere like on the east side of a corner pointing northeast, then see if it's possible to mash left then up really fast. If you always hit left then up, will you eventually move northwest? 22:17 <[Demo]> its fire traps with water thats a slashem thing 22:17 <[Demo]> maybe un too? 22:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] LoadedDice (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 314 points, T:1289, killed by a brown mold 22:21 The thing I think is un (or maybe slashem, seems too unbalanced for un) is untrapping fire traps yields several potions of oil. 22:22 <[Demo]> thats a slashem thing too 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Chromatic Dragon, on T:42394 22:22 <[Demo]> dnethack took it from un too 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42396 22:22 <[Demo]> but i think through slashem? 22:23 -!- tacco| has quit [] 22:24 that always seemed like behavior that was great for flavor but awful for balance 22:24 like, with all the fire traps in gehennom, how do you not go untrap everything and poly yourself tons of full healing or whatever potions? 22:26 <[Demo]> shh 22:30 is hypnotist nooodle? 22:31 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31 <[Demo]> yes 22:31 he left tho 22:32 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 22:32 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:34 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 22:41 [hdf-us] [un] ik (Mon Hum Mal Cha) stole 5650 zorkmids of merchandise from the second-hand bookstore of Skibbereen on T:811 22:48 -!- introsp3ctive1 has joined #hardfought 22:49 [hdf-us] [un] ik (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2423 points, T:1807, killed by a gray unicorn 22:50 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:40804 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof gray dragon scale mail", on T:40806 23:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 cloak of protection", on T:40814 23:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:40817 23:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:45062 23:35 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 23:39 -!- dograt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:57 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:58 -!- stenno is now known as Guest39978