00:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Hum Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:27205 00:15 -!- Chloe has joined #hardfought 00:15 -!- Chloe has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 00:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:31 -!- bigpresh15 has joined #hardfought 00:31 -!- bigpresh15 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 4075 points, T:6071, killed by a soldier ant 00:54 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 00:55 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 00:57 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:07 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 01:08 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 01:10 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:44 !who 01:44 FIQ: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 01:45 !whereis luxidream 01:45 FIQ: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn]: No details available 01:55 !tell jonadab salty much? make your own nethack quote database where no slex quotes get submitted :P 01:55 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:56 !tell aosdict if slex quotes now suddenly "don't have anything to do with nethack" and therefore don't belong on the qdb, then xnethack and FIQhack and Nethack Fourk and whatever quotes also don't belong there because they're not vanilla NetHack either :P 01:56 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:59 also I didn't send in any slex quotes in a month or so 02:01 -!- LarienTelrunya_ has joined #hardfought 02:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:04 -!- LarienTelrunya_ is now known as LarienTelrunya 02:17 also wondering why in #2473 no one claimed something like "Smash'EM Extended Melee Brawl" :D 02:26 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 02:27 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41 -!- johtso has joined #hardfought 02:41 -!- johtso has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 02:43 aosdict: yeah, as lorimer said, it was paxed 02:56 -!- steven25 has joined #hardfought 02:56 -!- steven25 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 03:20 -!- stenno2_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:32 -!- Fleet29 has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- Fleet29 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 03:50 -!- puck___ has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- cwre has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- cwre has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 04:11 -!- Luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 04:13 -!- Luxidream2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13 -!- Luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 04:15 -!- Luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:16 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 04:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 04:16 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:24 -!- zhongfu8 has joined #hardfought 04:29 -!- zhongfu8 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 04:39 -!- MisteryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:59 -!- Luxidream2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:25 -!- Cork14 has joined #hardfought 05:25 -!- Cork14 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 05:36 -!- gamma19 has joined #hardfought 05:36 -!- gamma19 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 05:38 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 06:03 !tell LarienTelrunya There is a fundamental difference between quotes like #7, #235, #270, #484, #1385, which clearly have to do with NetHack, versus ones like #2473, which fundamentally don't have anything to do with NetHack and should not be in the qdb. This difference has nothing to do with vanilla versus variants. 06:03 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-08-10 01:55 EDT: salty much? make your own nethack quote database where no slex quotes get submitted :P 06:03 Will do, jonadab! 06:04 In my perception, a high percentage of the slex quotes are basically "LOL *bundlebundlebundle* heart heart heart slex slex slex" with no actual game-related content. 06:04 jonadab: wow are you a member of the anti-fun squad or something? you even posted some of the stuff seen in #2473 yet you still don't want it to be in the qdb??? 06:04 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2018-08-10 06:03 EDT: There is a fundamental difference between quotes like #7, #235, #270, #484, #1385, which clearly have to do with NetHack, versus ones like #2473, which fundamentally don't have anything to do with NetHack and should not be in the qdb. This difference has nothing to do with vanilla versus variants. 06:07 also you should play slex *bundlebundlebundle* 💜 💚 😍 💘 💙 💞 06:07 2473 is fine with the puns 06:08 when searching the qdb for "bundle" I only get 3 hits and searching for ♥ only gives a single one 06:18 2445 is sad because it only has 3 puns 06:24 jonadab: I think I'll actually make "LOL BUNDLEBUNDLEBUNDLE HEART HEART HEART SLEX SLEX SLEX" a scroll label :D thanks! 06:25 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:29 *any outlandish hyperbole criticism of slex* "Thanks! I'll add that!" 06:30 [hdf-us] [un] arnibald (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:29765 06:31 man if there wouldn't be another "has nothing to do with nethack!!!!!!!!!!!!11111" outcry, I'd add that exchange to the qdb 06:32 * LarienTelrunya wants to start a slexqdb 06:42 someone asked what's the longest quote in the qdb, I think it's https://nhqdb.alt.org/?708 06:45 I thought your scroll names were your slexqdb? 06:49 LOL :D they and slex's pager.c, engrave.c and read.c more or less combine to form a qdb, sort of :D 06:56 -!- Thorne16 has joined #hardfought 06:56 -!- Thorne16 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:16 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 07:21 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13887 07:21 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:26 -!- kepler_mach17 has joined #hardfought 07:26 -!- kepler_mach17 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 07:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] michelmartinet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 13823 points, T:8346, petrified by a cockatrice 07:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:16 morning 08:27 pfft 08:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:53 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:14040 09:03 -!- slackjeff has joined #hardfought 09:03 -!- slackjeff has quit [Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.))] 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:17021 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a tripe ration named Meat's back on the menu, boys on an altar, on T:6316 10:05 -!- marig has joined #hardfought 10:05 -!- marig has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 10:06 <[Demo]> epic 10:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:19 -!- Joonaa has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:19 -!- Joonaa has joined #hardfought 10:25 -!- Joonaa has quit [Quit: ＜コ:彡] 10:26 -!- Slade1 has joined #hardfought 10:26 -!- Slade1 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 10:27 -!- Joonaa has joined #hardfought 10:35 -!- Joonaa has quit [Quit: ＜コ:彡] 10:36 -!- Joonaa has joined #hardfought 10:37 -!- Muad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 10:38 -!- Joonaa has quit [Client Quit] 10:39 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 10:43 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 10:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:09 -!- Joonaa has joined #hardfought 11:29 -!- mappum has joined #hardfought 11:29 -!- mappum has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:16 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:17 [Demo]: the only improvement could have been if hypnotist had been playing an orc 12:17 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-08-10 01:56 EDT: if slex quotes now suddenly "don't have anything to do with nethack" and therefore don't belong on the qdb, then xnethack and FIQhack and Nethack Fourk and whatever quotes also don't belong there because they're not vanilla NetHack either :P 12:19 -!- opung7 has joined #hardfought 12:19 -!- opung7 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:24 LarienTelrunya: not sure why you are !telling me when that is jonadab's position, not mine... I don't have anything against slex quotes overall, and even off-topic quotes are ok by me if they're at least amusing. What I don't like are quotes that aren't funny and are either off-topic or just describe a game situation. Examples: #2020, #2025, #1779, #1747, #1727 12:29 #2376 is the all time worst of the bunch though 12:32 Does SLEX actually have elven elves though 12:33 -!- CatPurrson has joined #hardfought 12:33 <[Demo]> it has eleven 12:33 PavelB: yes, there's an elf race and an elf role, you can combine them :D 12:33 eleven elven elves 12:34 Can you play a human elf? 12:34 Or a dwarvish elf? 12:34 aosdict: you disliking 1779 is just your personal taste, I find it pretty funny 12:34 PavelB: sure :) 12:34 So what does the elf role even do 12:34 <[Demo]> what the hell 12:34 also why the hell do you find 1747 not funny 12:35 LarienTelrunya: ok 1779 is adequately funny 12:35 1727 I guess isn't all that funny I admit 12:36 LarienTelrunya: well for one, it a) just describes a game situation really, with a comment about slex and a "play slex!" tacked on. plus kerio's last line kills any humor that might have been in it 12:37 > #9 12:37 > me_irl 12:37 -!- alekz1 has joined #hardfought 12:37 -!- alekz1 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:38 there's a name for that phenomenon, where placing something funny in the context of someone reacting to it with "LOOOOL" or "I'm crying" or whatever makes it less funny, but I can't remember it. 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16524 12:41 -!- gpolitis has joined #hardfought 12:41 -!- gpolitis has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 10460 points, T:10657, killed by a soldier ant, while praying 12:47 You know I just realized that in #2473 Luxidream actually ascended 12:47 And nobody cared 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh343] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1983 points, T:1104, killed by a fire ant 12:48 well, he ascends an awful lot... 12:49 -!- CurryWurst17 has joined #hardfought 12:49 -!- CurryWurst17 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:49 I suppose, but people still usually congradulate him 12:50 it's excusable. we all got caught up in the greatest quote of 2018 (probably) 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17644 13:04 -!- Stryyker5 has joined #hardfought 13:04 -!- Stryyker5 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:08 -!- Karasu has joined #hardfought 13:08 -!- Karasu has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:18 -!- letty8 has joined #hardfought 13:18 -!- letty8 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:20 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2125 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] barleywine (Pri Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4914 13:29 -!- Inception has joined #hardfought 13:29 -!- Inception has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:31 test 13:31 ok 13:32 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 13:35 Some of those are the kind of quote I really don't think needs to be in the qdb. Particularly 2025. 13:36 aosdict, LarienTelrunya: ^ 13:36 jonadab: I didn't send in 2025, I wasn't even in the channel when that happened... 13:37 but I think it's a great quote 13:41 ...why 13:41 what about it is great in any sense of the word 13:42 it's funny how kerio reacts when Crawldragon mentiones 3.6.x (kerio despises that version) and even more funny how he reacts when he's told that slex is involved :D 13:45 Amy works in mysterious ways 13:45 the real question is how did it get 28 upvotes 13:46 because if there are crappy irrelevant quotes that are way in the negatives, I don't care as much 13:47 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:49 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 13:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 24 points, T:206, killed by an electric shock 13:51 i wonder what my ping to hdf-eu is when i am in ireland 13:57 so this incubus named oliver wanted me to pay him but i wouldn't. now he's punching me, the misogynistic bastard. 13:57 splice demon names are so... mundane 13:58 also, it's new moon and my pet ate my lizard corpse :( 13:58 aosdict: do xnh gold golems drop gold objects? 13:59 where relevant, xnh foo golems drop objects made of foo 13:59 i killed one in splicehack and it dropped a gold key 14:00 cool, thinks i, i always wanted one of those 14:00 so if you want a gold dagger, you might get one from a gold golem 14:00 first leprechaun i ran across stole it *faceplam* 14:00 bwahahaha 14:00 * aosdict takes all the credit 14:00 also dropped a gold long sword, which is useless to me a healer 14:01 it occurred to me after that using a gold weapon might not be so smart 14:01 not sure if antigulp made the same hookup with silver golems, which are splicehack specific 14:01 -!- Goldman604 has joined #hardfought 14:01 -!- Goldman604 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:01 yes he did, they're actually a great source of silver weap[ons 14:01 i only wanted a gold key for the bling 14:02 and yes. gold edged weapons are fairly awful, though Sunsword is always gold 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5401 14:02 "In thanks for your service in recovering the Amulet of Yendor, we present you with this gold key to Minetown!" 14:03 s /minetown/orctown/ 14:04 <[Demo]> yourtown 14:05 `sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command` 14:10 <[Demo]> interesting idea 14:11 <[Demo]> beheading and bisection of you has a divine ac points received/10 chance of failing 14:11 EPI: and reduces your divine AC points by half in the process :P 14:12 <[Demo]> not a bad idea 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5190 points, T:6108, killed by an orc-captain 14:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:16 -!- Sigyn27 has joined #hardfought 14:16 -!- Sigyn27 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:17 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 14:17 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Client Quit] 14:20 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 14:22 <@luxidream> so NetHack Legacy is out today 14:22 <[Demo]> i thought you said outdated and i was gonna ask if it was out yet 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:7613 14:23 what is nethack legacy 14:23 <[Demo]> a scam 14:23 <@luxidream> considering playing it and returning it 14:23 <@luxidream> for science 14:23 <[Demo]> wait if its out.. 14:23 <[Demo]> https://nethacklegacy.com/source/ dont buy it 14:23 <@luxidream> stenno: nethacklegacy.com 14:23 <@luxidream> see for yourself 14:24 <@luxidream> oh, okay. 14:24 <@luxidream> how do I compile it though 14:24 lol it costs money 14:25 <[Demo]> yes its not legal 14:25 was about to ask just that, after all there's the Nethack General Public License 14:26 IIRC it says something about only being allowed to redistribute it (or changed versions of it) as long as they remain free 14:26 what is remastered about it 14:26 the license also says that for modified versions one must provide the source 14:26 just looks like 3.6.x 14:26 <[Demo]> it is 14:26 <[Demo]> but with a fisheye effect 14:26 <[Demo]> and some sounds 14:26 <[Demo]> and costs money 14:27 i know that fisheye terminal 14:27 cathode 14:27 funnily enough the windows version of slex also supports sound :P not sure if that's from a patch or if it would work in vanilla nethack too 14:27 http://www.secretgeometry.com/apps/cathode/ 14:27 oh it costs money now 14:27 brave new world 14:27 <@luxidream> so you're telling me this is even lazier than it looks? 14:28 read this article from 2011 lol https://www.cultofmac.com/78961/turn-terminal-app-into-a-flickering-vintage-crt-with-cathode/ 14:29 <@IceBox> but guys and gals, it's 15% off 14:29 <@IceBox> cant afford not to buy 14:30 well there is the unity logo on the cringy readme 14:30 so i guess its just a terminal window rendered on a slightly bent surface 14:30 oh no its not the unity symbol, its their companies symbol 14:31 <@luxidream> someone help me compile this? I've never had to do this before 14:32 <@luxidream> @IceBox I thought it would be funny to ascend and then return the game but I don't think I'm that lucky lol 14:33 <@Tone> hahaha 14:33 <@IceBox> does it have online leaderboards, that would be good 14:33 <@IceBox> buy it, ascend it, request refund "too easy", return it 14:33 This helped us get familiar with the overall architecture of the game, test our understanding, and shake out any bugs that were modifying things they shouldn’t. As a testament to the DevTeam’s thoroughness, we didn’t find any issues with the codebase, only in our understanding. 14:33 <@Tone> You can refund on steam under 2 hours right? 14:33 <@IceBox> yeah 2 hours is basically no questions asked 14:34 <@luxidream> is that a challenge? 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3271 points, T:2778, killed by a dwarf lord 14:34 <@IceBox> if they have an online leaderboard that would track your deed for eternity (or even a week) i feel like you have to 14:35 <@IceBox> i dont see anything mentioning it 14:35 <@luxidream> there is no leaderboard 14:35 <@luxidream> there's already a bad review 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8622 14:36 <@luxidream> someone needs to stream this shit 14:37 <@Tone> ha maybe I should review it for 2 hours on stream tomorrow then refund it 14:37 <@luxidream> "The number_pad option should still be available if you manually add it to your nethackrc" 14:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:38 <@luxidream> what 14:38 <@luxidream> the whole point was NOT using a nethackrc 14:38 <[Demo]> can someone get a mingw build? 14:38 apparently it should be buildable with visual studio 14:39 -!- linuxdaemon16 has joined #hardfought 14:39 its not much of a sham if they also supply the source, right 14:39 -!- linuxdaemon16 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:40 i mean its basically a build tax 14:40 <@luxidream> conflict with steam license 14:40 it's definitely skeevy 14:40 <@luxidream> you can't share it with other people 14:41 <@luxidream> https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1473532019 14:41 <@luxidream> here is the main menu 14:42 <@luxidream> looks promising 14:42 wow ryan dorkoski is really not holding back in that review 14:43 <@luxidream> https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1473532253 14:43 <@luxidream> the new options menu 14:44 <@Tone> sparkle=true 😱 14:44 <[Demo]> can someone that knows what they are talking about report it on steam? 14:44 <@luxidream> is ais in IRC right now? 14:44 ais523: have you seen the nethack legacy release on steam? 14:44 stenno: yes 14:44 @luxidream good morning 14:44 what do you think about it? 14:44 :D 14:44 they seem to have released full source, I'm trying to get it to compile atm 14:45 <@luxidream> hey introsp3ctive 14:45 the best option here is probably a non-steam release of the same code for free: it'd probably be more usable than the steam version too 14:45 <@luxidream> this shit finally dropped lmao 14:45 also, I just wasted like 200MB of my limited bandwidth downloading wav files, that's a bit of an evil thing to do 14:46 I've been trying to build it with gcc, but they seem to be using "sqrt" in a weird way that isn't compatible with their build system 14:47 -!- Dominian4 has joined #hardfought 14:47 -!- Dominian4 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 14:47 I hate that the simplest approach here appears to be to reimplement sqrt 14:47 at least it's a fairly easy function to write 14:47 is it? 14:47 what if the provided source is malware so they can take control of devteam members' computers when they try to build it 14:47 <@luxidream> looking through the source. they have music for VotD 14:47 <@luxidream> but not for gehennom 14:48 <@luxidream> or the planes 14:48 @luxidream: presumably they don't expect anyone to get that far 14:48 aosdict: well then either they've put malware on Steam or they're violating the NGPL :-P 14:48 <[Demo]> yeah they havent made it that far themselves 14:50 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 14:50 OK, I got it to build (after reimplementing sqrt and lround), the next problem is that it segfaults on load 14:51 <[Demo]> great 14:51 <[Demo]> im glad they documented the build process so well 14:51 <[Demo]> trying to build a windows version to distribute here 14:51 <[Demo]> for people that want to try it but not buy it 14:51 <@IceBox> we need to divide and conquer here, we need most of our resources dedicated to finding out what the hell that main menu picture is 14:51 <@luxidream> I think it's a fox with a beaver body 14:52 no, its a large pixelled version of that dragon 14:52 <@luxidream> Demo: you're a lifesaver 14:52 a part of it 14:52 <@IceBox> i think it's a worm on the right with open jaw eating a red/tan blob 14:52 can someone post the main menu picture 14:52 https://nethacklegacy.com/img/front.png 14:53 that dragon 14:53 ah 14:53 <@luxidream> ohhh 14:53 <@luxidream> that makes so much sense 14:53 which looks suspiciously like deathwing tbh 14:53 <@luxidream> stenno: how did you recognize that? 14:53 just looks like deathwing fan art 14:53 <@luxidream> that thing is an inkblot test 14:53 also, if that _is_ nethack, that dragon's going to die to that knight's +7 excalibur in two hits tops 14:54 <@luxidream> I've done a reverse image search on the picture 14:54 <@luxidream> I couldn't find anything 14:54 this is literally deathwing though 14:54 <@luxidream> then they're stealing someone's art and should be exposed 14:55 <@luxidream> I just can't find the original image 14:55 <[Demo]> weli t was going well then it stopped going well 14:56 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 14:56 <@luxidream> what happened? 14:57 <[Demo]> https://i.imgur.com/mY5s0Oi.png shits its pants when it sees an rc file 14:58 OK, crash was a failure to find a font, presumably based on the install structure being wrong 14:58 ais523: what happens in the NGPL when you provide source, but the source is virtually unbuildable 14:58 aosdict: nothing, that's a bug that was fixed in GPLv3 14:58 due to lack of documentation and other factors 14:58 as long as it builds on their system… 14:59 GPLv3 explicitly requires the source to be usable 14:59 maybe it's time to dust off the old "relicense the next version of nethack under something less buggy" argument? 15:00 I'd be in favour of that but I don't think it's practically possible 15:01 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 15:01 because you would have to get consent from every person who ever contributed ever, some of whom aren't reachable? 15:02 right 15:02 either that or rewrite their code 15:02 which is possible if it's a very small contribution, but still a pain 15:03 somehow other software manages to relicense its new versions without these pains 15:03 huh, I don't actually have a copy of 3.6.1 15:03 the released version, that is 15:03 as I normally work from HEAD 15:03 I think that legally, you really only need Mike Stephenson's consent 15:03 * ais523 downloads 15:04 aosdict: that's only the case if you use copyright assignment 15:05 <[Demo]> why wont this build what the hell 15:05 or make a good faith effort to contact everyone with some predetermined waiting period to see if they respond, which I believe is how some other software projects have managed to relicense 15:06 DCSS did manage to contact every contributor to relicense under GPL 15:06 I know, I was one of them 15:07 Has anyone managed to build NHLegacy yet 15:08 I've managed to build it, but it just closes when I load it 15:08 my current guess is directory layout issues 15:08 <[Demo]> i cant even get it to build on windows 15:09 I think it checks if you own it on steam 15:09 And exits if you don't 15:09 Ok does anyone know which flag you pass to `tar` for an `xz` archive 15:09 it appears that the portability changes consist of a) changing all non-"int" numeric types to specific width types, b) packing structs 15:09 <[Demo]> J 15:10 thanks 15:10 PavelB: modern tar has an autodetect 15:10 <[Demo]> oh neat 15:10 Idk how to use said autodetect 15:10 "x" on its own is enough if you give no compression-related letters 15:10 so "tar xf" / "tar xvf" should work on more or less anything 15:10 Ah 15:11 hmm, they have an interesting approach to globals purge, they've added "filename_reinit" functions to each of the files with statics, and presumably those set them back to the original value 15:12 So I'm getting `Could NOT find OpenGL (missing: OPENGL_opengl_LIBRARY OPENGL_glx_LIBRARY` and is that just a missing system package 15:12 I'm not sure how to install it 15:12 yes, opengl and glx are both commonly part of hte distro 15:13 Apparantly it's in a package called "freeglut-devel" 15:13 Kek 15:15 [ 72%] Linking C executable "NetHack Legacy" 15:15 /usr/bin/ld: libnh_objs.a(winsdl.c.o): undefined reference to symbol 'sqrt@@GLIBC_2.2.5' 15:15 //usr/lib64/libm.so.6: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line 15:15 collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status 15:15 make[2]: *** [CMakeFiles/nethack.dir/build.make:212: NetHack Legacy] Error 1 15:15 make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:70: CMakeFiles/nethack.dir/all] Error 2 15:15 make: *** [Makefile:130: all] Error 2 15:15 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:15 <[Demo]> owned 15:17 I'm not really sure what to do there 15:17 PavelB: I took several attempts at it and ended up just removing the uses of sqrt and lround, replacing them with handwritten implementations 15:18 ಠ_ಠ 15:18 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 15:18 let me try to supply a patch for that 15:18 Oh cool 15:18 <[Demo]> christo 15:19 Uhh, I grepped for `sqrt` and didn't actually find it anywhere? `hacklib.c` seems to define its own `isqrt` 15:21 imma eat some chicken nuggets with extra hot sauce and then seen what i do 15:21 just spent like 30 minutes finding the dragon image 15:21 but didn't find it 15:21 <[Demo]> im gonna go be angry 15:23 sounds fun too 15:23 PavelB: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/nhl-math.diff 15:23 Thanks 15:24 err, that might be slightly wrong if screen_glow can go negative, I didn't think of that 15:25 in that case I should be subtracting 0.5, not adding it 15:25 but it's unlikely to make much of a visual difference 15:26 Yeah it's probably fine 15:28 they're using floats, they probably don't care about the exact value anyway :-P 15:28 Ok time to see if I remember how gdb works 15:29 PavelB: the first crash is a failure to find a font file 15:29 which it expects to be in ./assets/ 15:29 I can get round that by running from the source directory, but suspect that this thing needs a very specific layout of files in the install directory to work, and just crashes if it doesn't see them 15:29 I see assets has it's own cmakelists.txt 15:29 (because who cares about good error messages) 15:29 the file in question is there literally in the source, though 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:12645 15:30 What does `make install` even do, it doesn't seem to have copied the binary itself anywhere 15:31 possibly nothing? 15:31 It copies `./assets` to `/assets` 15:31 ಠ_ಠ 15:31 $ make list_install_components 15:31 Available install components are: "Unspecified" 15:32 PavelB: I hope you didn't run it with sudo 15:32 I *did* run it with sudo 15:32 my guess is that there's a variable that isn't specified 15:32 And it *did* make a directory in root called `/assets` 15:32 I strongly recommend against trying to uninstall using the build system, it'll likely do an rm -rf / 15:32 <[Demo]> this shit is shit 15:33 > - Adds CMake-based build system (hardcoded to build only SDL/Steam configuration) 15:34 Anyway, moving past the font error, I now get a segfault. 15:34 Have you figured that one out yet? 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] CatPurrson (Val Dwa Fem Law), 107887 points, T:12772, killed by a minotaur 15:35 PavelB: no 15:35 Hmm 15:36 I'm going to install ccmake, using -D to turn on things like debug info is awkward 15:36 How'd you do it without having Cmake? 15:36 hopefully it'll suggest some useful build variables, like an install target 15:36 PavelB: I had cmake but not ccmake 15:36 Oh 15:37 ccmake comes with cmake on my system 15:38 [hdf-us] [dyn] Grayswandir?MoreLikeGayswandir (Luxidream) (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 684916 points, T:50670, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-08-10%2015_38_50%2C%20Grayswandir%3FMoreLikeGayswandir-Cav-Dwa-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 15:39 yaaaaaaaaaaay congratulations Luxidream, both for the ascension and the awesome name ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 15:39 hmm, the ccmake options are fairly short and look autogenerated 15:40 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40 <[Demo]> an ascension a day keeps rodney away! 15:40 huh, bye rld 15:40 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 15:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 15:40 hi rld 15:40 <@luxidream> @mtf sorry to bother you 15:40 AHA, I got it to load 15:41 <@mtf> bah 15:41 <@mtf> wait 15:41 <@luxidream> oh it's here again 15:41 the install directories were set to "runtime" inside the build directory 15:41 after editing ccmake to make everything consistent with that, it built 15:41 <@mtf> just a blip eh 15:41 <@luxidream> yeah. sorry about that 15:41 <@luxidream> carry on 15:41 <@mtf> np 😛 I'll get this issue sorted out soon 15:41 wow this menu implementation is terrible 15:41 it has a DCSS style cursor but it just wraps around the screen 15:44 You expected, based on the trailer, that it would be good and add significant value to NetHack? 15:44 No 15:45 <@luxidream> there is a problem with rld 15:45 ais523: You mean, you got NHL to launch? 15:45 <@luxidream> it's not passing anything I say to discord 15:45 I got as far as the character creation prompt 15:45 <@luxidream> but just me 15:45 <@luxidream> no one else 15:45 but it crashes when you try to start the game 15:45 <[Demo]> great 15:45 @luxidream if you're saying things in irc we can't see you hear either 15:46 *here 15:46 haha, and the crash is in some inline assembly in zlib 15:46 <@luxidream> are you not going to question the pixellated blob that is in the background that stenno somehow identified how extensive are the mouse controls, btw 15:46 <@luxidream> I said that 15:46 @luxidream you have to be either voiced or authed to speak in #hardfought 15:46 jonadab: can you +v Luxidream? 15:47 this must be related to the Freenode spam attack 15:47 Yes 15:47 although I don't know why your IRC client isn't displaying the error message when you try to speak 15:47 Because ops can see the message 15:47 It's not prevented 15:47 <@luxidream> jonadab responded to me 15:47 ah wait, jonadab doesn't have the ability to voice other people, just himself 15:47 <@luxidream> so I assumed everyone else could see it too 15:47 <@luxidream> I can just stay on rld 15:48 K2: Can you voice Luxidream? 15:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Luxidream] by K2 15:48 the mouse controls don't work in menus, at least 15:48 would bothering the devs about this do anything 15:48 they are active on steam 15:48 discussions 15:48 also can you hear me now 15:48 Yes 15:48 cool 15:49 I don't think the devs want us building it in the first place 15:49 fair point 15:49 For all we know it's intentionally made difficult 15:49 I think the correct solution here, given that there's no obvious NGPL breach 15:49 is to put our own NetHack Legacy release online for free 15:49 One of my other channels has a command you can send to the channel bot to get voiced. 15:50 ais523: Well yes, but for that we need to get it working first 15:50 well, there are plenty of really minor NGPL breaches, like not specifying in the header files that they were modified 15:51 That's the sort of thing where you jot a polite "can you fix this" note. At most. 15:51 IMO 15:51 But yes, if you feel that it's worth hosting a release of, the NGPL says you can do that. 15:52 -!- israfel has joined #hardfought 15:52 -!- israfel has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:52 yes, there are none major enough that I personally care 15:52 they don't deserve to make money off of this 15:52 ais523: Since there *are* NGPL breaches, and you're on the devteam, could you theoretically file a DMCA takedown request with Steam? 15:53 PavelB: my contribution might arguably be "de minimis", I think other devteam members could though 15:53 Well, I think that one of you guys should, since, as Luxidream just put it, they don't deserve to make money off of this 15:54 I think putting a free version out there would stop from making money pretty fast 15:54 *stop them 15:55 we can even talk about it on the steam page. there's nothing they can do about it, it's in the license 15:55 The NGPL doesn't say you can't make money. 15:55 Someone claims an earlier version of it did, but the version in the current release does not say that. 15:56 > 12:50:24 PM well, there are plenty of really minor NGPL breaches, like not specifying in the header files that they were modified 15:56 you should be able to distribute copies, right? 15:56 <@Dracunos> Even with a free version out there they could trick the occasional person into buying with some marketing bs 15:56 PavelB: Yes, but doing takedown over that would be kind of petty. Just ask them to fix those minor issues, if anything, IMO. 15:56 People *do* by WinRar, after all 15:56 <@Dracunos> Still would be an improvement though 15:56 Luxidream: Yes, you can distribute copies. NGPL _does_ say that. 15:56 its really just a build tax 15:57 <@Dracunos> People buy winrar? 15:57 Yes 15:57 there are some issues with third party software, I think they're arguing "the NetHack Legacy executable is made of two pieces, part of it is NetHack Legacy, part of it is bundled supporting libraries like Steamworks" 15:57 that's not an argument that's obviously incorrect, but it's not obviously correct either 15:57 @Dracunos People buy bottled water for $1.09. In _Ohio_. 15:57 ALL THE TIME. 15:57 fucking wa'a 15:57 I'm through worrying about "someone might spend money on something they don't need to spend money on." 15:57 a 12 pack? 15:57 or a botlle 15:57 No, per bottle 15:57 Luxidream: A bottle. 15:57