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https://williampitcock.com/ 02:20 I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ 02:20 -!- violet19 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 02:30 -!- Luxidream has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39 [hdf-us] [slex] Uruwi (Che Asg Mal Neu), 11996 points, T:2743, killed by a monster (baby green dragon), while praying unsuccessfully 02:44 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:45 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:07 [hdf-us] [slex] Uruwi (Che Asg Mal Law), 4393 points, T:3073, killed by a monster (troll zombie) 03:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 03:33 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:34 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 03:46 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Uruwi (Con Vam Fem Cha), 217 points, T:1267, died of starvation 04:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Uruwi (Ran Inc Fem Neu), 958 points, T:1015, killed by a gnome 04:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Uruwi (Pir Dro Mal Neu), 1320 points, T:1731, killed by a dwarvish spear 05:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:12 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:14 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:35 -!- jackmcbarn2 has joined #hardfought 05:35 This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/ 05:35 -!- jackmcbarn2 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 05:59 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 06:00 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:17 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:19 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 06:22 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 06:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:41 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 06:46 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:16 -!- czart_ has joined #hardfought 07:16 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 07:16 This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/ 07:16 With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! 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I did not look at the statues. 10:29 <[Demo]> yeah i dont think many people know it but they are extra leveled and tame 10:29 <[Demo]> but unfortunately crazed too which might make them a bit sporadic idk 10:29 <[Demo]> and there are some really strong ones in there 10:29 hmm 10:30 <[Demo]> i dont play pets beyond a winder for clkwk so i dont actually know what the best one of those is 10:30 yeah I don't usually either, but I tamed Oona this time. 10:32 does dnh limit number of pets by charisma still? 10:33 <[Demo]> yeah 10:33 <[Demo]> yeah ok i forgot, i do like to grab oona :P 10:33 <[Demo]> ive had her die in some interesting ways 10:34 <[Demo]> my favorite of all time is 40 million turns in a soko level above me 10:34 <[Demo]> i reenter the level after those turns and i get messages about her hunger and she starts eating every food ration on the floor 10:34 <[Demo]> and so i think itll be ok, bring her up back to the next level and she keeps eating 10:34 <[Demo]> clears out like half the food there and then die 10:35 that's weird. Why didn't she just untame after being left that long? 10:35 <[Demo]> because soko prevents that 10:35 <[Demo]> its pet daycare 10:36 <[Demo]> but chris didnt account for pet hunger when preventing the untaming in soko and quest home 10:36 oh ok. I didn't know that. 10:36 that's potentially useful :) 10:37 <[Demo]> i use it a lot once i get branch porting 10:37 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 10:40 Anyway I'm going to crash. Gotta be up early tomorrow. Thanks Demo. 10:40 I'll check out those statues tomorrow. cheers. 10:40 <[Demo]> bye 10:48 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Client Quit] 10:49 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:51495 10:50 oh nice. he zapped it at me 5 times but the wand of death is still 0:3 10:51 <[Demo]> score 10:56 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 11:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 34265 points, T:16425, killed by an air elemental 11:33 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 11:40 -!- TheSilentLink7 has joined #hardfought 11:40 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 11:40 -!- TheSilentLink7 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:40 rofl 11:43 -!- xfil has joined #hardfought 11:44 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 11:44 -!- xfil has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:51 -!- pj17 has joined #hardfought 11:51 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 11:51 -!- pj17 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 11:51 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 11:52 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:52524 11:53 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:52538 11:53 good morning all 11:56 morning 11:57 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:58 !who 11:58 Luxidream: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 12:00 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) woke the rulers of Gehennom by performing the invocation, on T:52583 12:02 -!- wfranken has joined #hardfought 12:02 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 12:02 -!- wfranken has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:04 -!- PolarizedIons1 has joined #hardfought 12:04 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 12:04 -!- PolarizedIons1 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:07 -!- kloeri13 has joined #hardfought 12:07 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 12:07 This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/ 12:07 With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ 12:07 -!- kloeri13 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 12:11 -!- Luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 12:14 -!- LuxidreamWasTake has joined #hardfought 12:15 -!- Luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:16 . 12:17 -!- LuxidreamWasTake has quit [Client Quit] 12:17 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 12:18 -!- Luxidream2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:22 aw shit 12:23 !tell antigulp in the sanctum. i got The priestess of Moloch picks up a small shield. placing defunct monster onto map?--More-- 12:23 Will do, hothraxxa! 12:23 !tell antigulp then Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.) 12:23 Will do, hothraxxa! 12:23 call me a pessimist but i'm betting on not 12:24 hm. ok so far 12:31 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:52976 12:31 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:52980 12:39 <[Demo]> a monster has 0 hp 12:52 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:53270 12:54 -!- badon4 has joined #hardfought 12:54 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 12:54 This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/ 12:54 With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ 12:54 -!- badon4 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:02 -!- theWhisper_ has joined #hardfought 13:02 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 13:02 -!- theWhisper_ has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:05 -!- DJones has joined #hardfought 13:05 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 13:05 This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/ 13:05 -!- DJones has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:06 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 13:09 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:53790 13:11 -!- Nick` has joined #hardfought 13:11 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 13:11 -!- Nick` has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:15 -!- Luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 13:15 -!- Luxidream2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:18 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Buer, on T:54048 13:20 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:54114 13:21 -!- Luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:25 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 13:25 -!- nooodle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:28 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:28 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 13:29 -!- winny is now known as Guest13218 13:30 -!- Guest13218 has quit [Client Quit] 13:31 -!- winny1 has joined #hardfought 13:31 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Geryon, on T:54293 13:32 -!- MetaNova13 has joined #hardfought 13:32 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 13:32 -!- MetaNova13 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:34 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54353 13:35 bugger quaffed a potion of reflection 13:37 <[Demo]> i like that item as an item 13:37 -!- winny1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:40 -!- winny1 has joined #hardfought 13:44 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:44 -!- winny1 has quit [Client Quit] 13:44 -!- brynjar6 has joined #hardfought 13:44 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 13:44 -!- brynjar6 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 13:45 -!- winny1 has joined #hardfought 13:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:46 mephisto must not be covetous. he stayed on the other side of the map 13:47 <@luxidream> hothraxxa: I didn't get any of them covetous on the way up 13:47 hm. dispater teleported to me 13:48 so did yeenoghu, i think 13:48 <@luxidream> did demogorgon or the LotF teleport to you? 13:48 <@luxidream> they just seemed to be chilling when I saw them. I killed demogorgon because he was directly in my path 13:49 i popped up blind and saw demo on the other side of the map and quaffed my cursed gain level right away 13:49 as for thqt other bastard, i killed him/her on the way down 13:50 potion of paralysis, scroll of time, bam bam fuck you mam 13:51 on the way up i have potions of paralysis in my quiver and a scroll of time and cursed gain level in inventory 13:51 <@luxidream> probably AntiGulp nerfed some of the stronger ones 13:51 <@luxidream> mephisto can do over 100 damage in just a couple rounds 13:52 i know, i happened to have a c corpse for him but he never showed up for the party 13:52 also, til rodney is not drain resistant 13:52 i wonder how that affects his regeneration 13:53 <[Demo]> he always comes back xp lvl 30 or whatever 13:53 no, he comes back one level higher than his previous incarnation 13:53 <[Demo]> ahh yeah that 13:54 <[Demo]> that has to cap off though? 13:54 i'll see when he shows up. i had to melee him when he drank the potion of reflection and i drained him down to xl27 13:54 <[Demo]> no draining doesnt affect his respawn 13:55 i expected not, but that's a shame 13:55 -!- alekz27 has joined #hardfought 13:55 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\ 13:55 This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/ 13:55 -!- alekz27 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 13:55 <[Demo]> yeah but that would be very strong 13:55 <[Demo]> gonna go find the xp lvl cap on rodney 13:55 excuse me, i have to head over to efnet 13:55 <[Demo]> lol why are the bots still getting through 13:55 it's not easy to stop them 13:56 <[Demo]> you'd think this is something freenode would have experience dealing with? 13:56 what we need to do is find that little script kiddie and take way his modem 13:57 sure they do. clearly you weren't around in the 90s 13:57 you think this is bad? this is nothing 14:00 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 14:01 <[Demo]> oh cool i found a fun dnh segfault 14:06 <[Demo]> !tell Chris_ANG the makemon null in wizard.c below the comment makemon failed for some reason still sometimes wont return an mtmp and leads tp a crash 14:06 Will do, [Demo]! 14:13 <[Demo]> damn doesnt exist in vanilla 14:21 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54801 14:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:22 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:23 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed historic partly eaten greased magic marker named william shakespeare", on T:54927 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3019 14:40 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 14:51 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:55124 14:55 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 15:06 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 5171 points, T:5769, killed by a human mummy 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 127 points, T:440, killed by a goblin 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 452 points, T:1182, killed by a homunculus, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1037 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1093 points, T:2232, killed by a dingo 15:23 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 15:29 -!- manish22 has joined #hardfought 15:29 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.freenode.net ##hamradio /!\ 15:29 This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/ 15:29 With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ 15:29 -!- manish22 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:32 <@Dracunos> I bet that bastard isn't even Australian 15:32 -!- Ricardus0 has joined #hardfought 15:32 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.freenode.net ##hamradio /!\ 15:32 -!- Ricardus0 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2789 points, T:2591, killed by a hobbit, while sleeping 15:34 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1024 points, T:3349, quit 15:47 -!- Introoter1 has joined #hardfought 15:47 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.freenode.net ##hamradio /!\ 15:47 -!- Introoter1 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 15:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:59 -!- obserd has joined #hardfought 15:59 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.freenode.net ##hamradio /!\ 15:59 -!- obserd has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:02 -!- fireworks27 has joined #hardfought 16:02 /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.freenode.net ##hamradio /!\ 16:02 -!- fireworks27 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:06 !players 16:06 K2: [hdf-us] dgoddard [nh361] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 16:07 i justfinished binge watching the entire 3rd season of mr. robot 16:08 for the love of god 16:08 this spam is utter madness 16:08 i prob need to re-anable quiet mode 16:09 re-enable 16:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+q $~a] by K2 16:10 you'll still see the spam of course fiQ since you're an op ;0 16:10 brilliant 16:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv bug_sniper deadnoob_ greqrg] by K2 16:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv [Demo] introsp3ctive lorimer] by K2 16:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv MiseryMyra Muad noty] by K2 16:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvv ProzacElf tacco| Tariru] by K2 16:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+m] by FIQ 16:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vv Tarmunora_ winny1] by K2 16:12 I've been pinged. Though I don't know what I'm looking at... 16:12 i voiced you 16:12 What does that mean? 16:13 https://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Voice 16:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+pri] by FIQ 16:14 oh ffs 16:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [-pri] by FIQ 16:14 -!- FIQ changed the topic on #hardfought to: Temporarily silenced due to spam issues. Message K2/FIQ to be allowed to speak ¤ Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org 16:15 FIQ: huh, why +m rather than just +q $~a? 16:15 there has been spam from registered accounts 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2171 points, T:2660, killed by a dwarf 16:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [-m] by K2 16:16 dont moderate the channel 16:16 i already reset the q mode 16:16 ah 16:16 why did you voice everyone for then 16:16 you're just creating a shit ton more work for us 16:16 spam from registered accounts?! 16:16 I haven't seen *any* spam from registered accounts 16:16 if there has, please point it out to me, though :) 16:17 will do 16:17 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:17 besides, with -m it lets Sigyn see the bots and act on them 16:18 Sigyn is opped so as long as it's +z she'll see them either way 16:18 well.. it would anyways i suppose 16:18 yeah 16:18 +z is in effect 16:18 but yeah, I haven't seen any IDed spambots 16:19 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 16:19 that would be too much work for the script kiddies 16:21 how did Sigyn even get here 16:21 I asked ilbelkyr to have her come here 16:21 ahh 16:22 So thou thought thou couldst spam here, fool. 16:22 hahah 16:22 heh 16:22 the wizard of freenode 16:23 wizard of edoneerf 16:23 ah even better 16:23 oooohhh 16:23 i see another YANI 16:23 what? 16:24 Banhammer artifact? 16:24 'yet another neat idea' 16:24 oh 16:24 new branch 16:24 branch quest leader and/or boss monster is the WoE 16:25 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: See you space cowboy...] 16:27 -!- enyc6 has joined #hardfought 16:27 -!- enyc6 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:31 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 16:34 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35 -!- puzzola9 has joined #hardfought 16:35 -!- puzzola9 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:37 i like hamradio 16:38 -!- Logan21 has joined #hardfought 16:38 -!- Logan21 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 16:41 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:41 Beholder: messages? 16:41 ais523: Message from Luxidream at 2018-08-02 20:17 EDT: do you know what in the nine hells this is 16:41 ais523: Message from Luxidream at 2018-08-02 20:17 EDT: nethacklegacy.com 16:46 @Luxidream: the only relevant information I know is at ; it appears to be a 3.6 variant with similar goals to NH4 16:46 err 16:46 !tell Luxidream the only relevant information I know is at ; it appears to be a 3.6 variant with similar goals to NH4 16:46 Will do, ais523! 17:02 <@luxidream> ais523: I'm a dual citizen now, but I still check my discord 17:02 @luxidream: Message from ais523 at 2018-08-04 16:46 EDT: the only relevant information I know is at ; it appears to be a 3.6 variant with similar goals to NH4 17:03 oh, I forgot that @-username pings on discord even if you don't use a bot to relay the message and even if the user isn't there 17:03 -!- strengthen has joined #hardfought 17:03 -!- strengthen has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:08 -!- armyriad has joined #hardfought 17:08 -!- armyriad has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:12 <@luxidream> they have no gameplay changes is it ok for them to sell this 17:13 <@IceBox> even if they did have changes 17:13 <@IceBox> "your modified NetHack or program containing parts of NetHack must remain freely available as provided in this License Agreement." 17:14 <@IceBox> if only they were about to make millions, i'd finally have my golden ticket. But alas it's just a few dudes and gals like us that would even potentially buy it 17:15 <@luxidream> ais523: does this violate the license? 17:16 @luxidream: selling a NetHack variant doesn't violate the license, however you must allow recipients to give away copies for free 17:16 including recursively 17:16 this means that you're unlikely to make much money selling it as as soon as you've sold one copy, people can just post it online 17:16 sort-of like piracy but legal 17:16 <@luxidream> steam doesn’t work that way 17:16 you're also not allowed to hide from end users the fact that they can do this 17:17 @luxidream: that's a well known loophole in the GPLv2 which is also present in the NGPL, and which was fixed for GPLv3 17:18 <[Demo]> steam has drm protection 17:18 <[Demo]> that makes it so you cant do that 17:19 <@IceBox> so i guess there would be no way to distribute in such a way that users could use it on steam legitimately 17:19 <@IceBox> but you could probably package up everything steam downloads for it and put it online? 17:20 well, the source code would have to be shipped with the binary 17:20 so you could just compile that 17:20 <[Demo]> the coivd will take them on 17:21 <[Demo]> https://nethacklegacy.com/source/readme.txt 17:21 <[Demo]> this link isnt advertised anywhere yet as far as i know 17:21 <@luxidream> Coivd? 17:21 <[Demo]> scanner found it 17:21 <[Demo]> a fictional entity 17:21 that's a bizarre readme 17:22 it's entirely about how to verify the authenticity of the source code 17:22 <[Demo]> the coivd is the fictional easter bunny of a group that the dt was almost subdued by 17:22 anyway, it's no secret that the NGPL is full of bugs 17:22 <[Demo]> it might be unfinished ais idk, they arent advertising this anywhere and the source files arent there 17:23 and the issue with old licenses is that you can't bugfix them without rewriting all the code that uses them… 17:23 ais523: in that case I see no issue with selling a NetHack variant on steam 17:23 <@luxidream> I found their ad on YouTube 17:23 (I know you dislike Steam for entirely different reasons, but yeah) 17:23 FIQ: I've had thoughts about that myself, along the lines of "give the game away for free but charge for online features that will require a server backing them" 17:23 that gives a logical reason to charge money 17:24 <[Demo]> i think the dt should contact them friendlyly 17:24 <[Demo]> and jsut like hey howdy neighbor etc etc ngpl also hi and yeah 17:25 <@luxidream> convince them to remove the fisheye 17:25 <[Demo]> like very polite but just give them a notice that the devteam is watching and that they will be held accountable for license violations but dont say that explicitly 17:25 <@luxidream> while you’re at it 17:25 <[Demo]> but that is inferred by the fact the devteam came to them 17:25 <[Demo]> except the devteam never does anything it should ever 17:25 <[Demo]> ok fine sometimes 17:25 [Demo]: sometimes they actually do release updates 17:26 <[Demo]> its not that they do things i dont like, its that they dont do things that i like 17:26 <@luxidream> so can we put this on hardfought once it comes out 17:26 [Demo]: oh, they do things I don't like sometimes 17:26 * ais523 glares at orctown 17:26 @luxidream put what on hardfought? 17:26 <[Demo]> well thats cause you know what they do 17:26 <@luxidream> nethack legacy lmao 17:26 ais523: blame lorimer 17:26 <[Demo]> from what i can see they dont do too much but are still heavily respected and its like yeah no go away 17:26 lorimer is the root of all evil and orctown 17:27 * FIQ namecalls 17:27 <@luxidream> I defend orctown 17:27 I was considering dropping them an email to let them know that they were mostly duplicating work in NitroHack and NH4 17:27 <[Demo]> i think that the 3.5 leak was bad 17:27 <[Demo]> yeah do that 17:27 tf is nethack legacy 17:27 <[Demo]> that works too 17:27 some rewrite thing? 17:27 <[Demo]> somebody selling nethack on steam lol 17:27 FIQ: that's what this whole conversation has been about ;-) 17:27 <[Demo]> no not a rewrite 17:27 sounds like a remaster with the way people usually stick "legacy" after a title 17:28 it's a UI rewrite I think (like NH4), and a portability rewrite (like NH4), and a determinism rewrite that doesn't actually work (like NitroHack) 17:28 <[Demo]> i think nethack4 is probably a million times more of a change than nethack legacy is 17:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 17:28 ais523: so basically 17:28 it's NH4 II 17:28 <[Demo]> no 17:28 no 17:28 it's NH 17:28 er 17:28 NH5 17:28 <[Demo]> no 17:28 <@luxidream> NH4 0.1 on a fake CRT 17:28 except NH4 is more advanced 17:28 it's like an alternate-universe NH4 17:29 <[Demo]> nethack 3 on a fake crt 17:29 <@luxidream> also costs 6 dollars 17:29 you could call it 4.1 (I started numbering at 4.2) 17:29 ais523: or AU NitroHack? 17:29 wait, is it on sale on Steam already? 17:29 <[Demo]> not yet 17:29 <@luxidream> August 10 17:29 because all of those things you mention is also what Nitro tried to do 17:29 also 17:29 anyway, one advantage of the NGPL being generally insane, is that it's quite easy to fail to comply with it by accident 17:29 is it actually good effort 17:29 <[Demo]> none of the videos look like a UI rewritw 17:29 whats it called? 17:29 compared to NH4 17:29 <[Demo]> all the images and stuff they posted look just like nh3 17:30 <[Demo]> but fisheted 17:30 fisheted? 17:30 <@luxidream> https://youtu.be/L4TmeToR9Mk 17:30 * K2 fires up steam 17:30 <[Demo]> fisheyed 17:30 that does not look like an UI rewrite 17:30 at all 17:30 https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/uploading/distributing_opensource 17:31 <[Demo]> will they use that feature though? 17:31 Valve say that you can't distribute copylefted code on Steam, without separate permission from the author 17:31 just looks like a fancy windowport 17:31 <[Demo]> ah 17:31 ais523: that doesn't sound easy to accomplish for NetHack 17:31 it has plenty of authors 17:32 indeed 17:32 I think some of my code is in 3.6.0 (not much, though), but I'm not sure 17:32 there's definitely some in 3.6.1 17:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:33 <[Demo]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4TmeToR9Mk 17:34 <[Demo]> looks like nethack 3 with hp color patch and a dumb fisheye effect 17:34 <[Demo]> 3.6 17:35 <@luxidream> they have seeds and replaymode 17:35 <@luxidream> but nh4 has that and more 17:35 hmm 17:35 <[Demo]> this is just a shitty thing to do 17:36 if they didnt get permission from the DT to release this, and if they are charging for it... ais523 you or someone else from the DT better reach out to these folks 17:36 and soon 17:36 K2: they didn't 17:37 @luxidream: the replay mode is effectively a ttyrec, based on what it says on their blog 17:37 <[Demo]> dont let the dt come off as spineless and willing to have its worked stepped all over 17:37 I'm not sure we can legitimately complain until they actually start selling it though 17:37 <[Demo]> cause these are some good americans kind of having a creative time with the license 17:37 <[Demo]> you can always contact them in good faith 17:37 <[Demo]> and be like hey buddies hows it going 17:37 someone asked 'how much?' on the steam forums for this game 17:37 <[Demo]> oh yeah not quite sure if that thing in your plan is quite something you can do 17:37 <[Demo]> 5.99 17:37 no reply yet 17:37 <@luxidream> K2 it is 5.99 17:37 <[Demo]> https://frozencrate.com/press/sheet.php?p=nethack_legacy 17:37 ah 17:38 yeah, time for the DT to lawyer up 17:38 <[Demo]> they're texans how bad of people can they be though 17:38 <[Demo]> im sure they mean well? 17:38 imo you dont need to wait for it to go on sale, they've already made public their intent to sell it 17:39 and that fisheye effect is just dumb 17:40 I've sent a message to devteam@nethack.org about this 17:40 <@Tutas> lol 17:40 <[Demo]> thanks good 17:40 <@mtf> oh no 17:41 <@mtf> xD 17:41 <@Totori> Oh no 17:41 <@lapis> We have been summoned 17:41 <[Demo]> hopefully something will be done 17:41 <@mtf> ais just pinged everyone with the nethack role xD 17:41 hah 17:41 don't blame me if discord interprets email addresses in a silly way :-P 17:41 <@mtf> hahah 17:41 perhaps rld could be programmed to escape them? 17:41 <@luxidream> You have summoned Discord! You are terrified, and unable to move. 17:41 <[Demo]> fix ur bot . lol 17:41 <@lapis> Wait, what’s going on though? Something legal-y? 17:42 <@mtf> yea would probably need to put in some regex 17:42 <@luxidream> nethack legacy scandal @lapis 17:42 <@luxidream> https://youtu.be/L4TmeToR9Mk 17:42 @lapis: it looks like some people are planning to release a for-pay NetHack variant on Steam without the devteam's permission 17:42 which is likely to cause an invalid license combination between the NGPL and Steamworks licenses 17:44 <@lapis> They just... added a curve like a CRT screen? And want money for that? 17:45 <@luxidream> Pretty much 17:45 also, better default options, and a built in ttyrec-alike 17:45 they tried to make the game engine deterministic so that they could replay the commands, but failed (this isn't particularly surprising given the history of Nitro derivatives…) 17:46 <@luxidream> because people aren’t intelligent enough to set up rcfiles 17:46 <@lapis> Oh and it’s not even derived from 361? 17:46 <@luxidream> It is 18:01 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 18:01 -!- crayon20 has joined #hardfought 18:01 -!- crayon20 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:01 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Client Quit] 18:02 -!- zaratustra23 has joined #hardfought 18:02 -!- zaratustra23 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:03 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 18:03 <[Demo]> the statues on oracle are C so you can tell it's 3.6.x 18:08 -!- Galixte has joined #hardfought 18:08 -!- Galixte is now known as Guest52806 18:08 -!- Guest52806 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:15 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 18:15 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger on an altar, on T:3367 18:16 <@luxidream> nitpicking here but I thought it was really lazy to use wizmode to show off a gameplay trailer 18:16 my browser is set to not load images and videos by default, so I didn't realise there was one 18:17 if this is being made by someone who can't even play the game legitimately, though, I'm somehow not surprised 18:17 <[Demo]> the whole thing is kinda lazy 18:17 <[Demo]> rip off an open source game and try to sell it 18:17 <@luxidream> ais523: it’s the YouTube link that’s been posted a few times 18:18 <[Demo]> also if they are selling it doesn't that put them at risk of other things nethack references going after them 18:18 <[Demo]> like uh, idk 18:18 <@luxidream> all the hallucinatory monsters? 18:18 oh wow that's a sucky health bar 18:21 -!- rolig has joined #hardfought 18:21 -!- rolig has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:22 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:23 speak of the devil 18:24 Luxidream: can you link me the video? I have to see this now 18:24 nethack """legacy"""? 18:24 -!- annieslmaos has joined #hardfought 18:24 -!- annieslmaos has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:25 is that what they're calling it? LOL 18:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4TmeToR9Mk 18:25 I owe Icebox an apology, incompatibility with the Steamworks SDK hadn't occurred to me. 18:26 <[Demo]> the coivd will jump ya 18:26 Pinkbeast: I realised that "GPLv2 code on Steam" is clearly a situation that's likely to have come up before, so did a web search to see what the resolution was 18:26 (NGPL is not GPLv2 but they're similar enough that most arguments about one will apply to the other) 18:27 hmm, that video seems to have Brogue-like animations for wands 18:27 Particularly now it doesn't have the 3.1.3-era "Stated plainly" that states something else entirely. 18:27 also, "The wand of fire turns to dust." after zapping it; in vanilla, that's impossible without an extra "You wrest one last charge" message, right? 18:27 wow...this looks... amazing! where do I buy it? 18:28 brogue-like animations is something I've considered 18:28 I especially love the CRT monitor effects 18:28 not really doable w/o 256color though 18:28 ais523: I'm too used to GOG where stuff can get distributed without modifying it. 18:28 <[Demo]> ais it says it 18:28 ais523: there was a wresting message, not sure if you missed it 18:28 <[Demo]> ais https://i.imgur.com/axbJeeT.png 18:28 introsp3ctive: it's not on sale yet, and may not be possible to sell legally 18:28 ... indeed, I'm surprised a DRM-free game can't be put out via Steam without making it derivative of Steamworks, but there you go 18:29 oh duh, the wrest comes /before/ the aim 18:29 which is illogical, but there you go 18:30 it might be slightly evil, but the "optimal" approach might be to wait for the source to become available, incorporate any good parts of it into other variants, and get it taken down from team for license violation 18:30 I agree 18:30 so can I make NetHack: Gellacy that has a concave screen instead and it becomes a variant I can sell 18:30 <[Demo]> i like evil 18:30 <[Demo]> i doubt action can be taken before the 10th anyway 18:30 I guess this has changed; when I did use Steam I had EU3 on it, and it doesn't seem to have the Steam DLLs at all. 18:30 <[Demo]> its the devteam 18:31 well is there anything good about it to take? 18:31 <[Demo]> give them a year or 12 18:31 Luxidream: Sure. But there's nothing stopping me selling it cheaper the moment you release it. 18:31 yeah and if you get the season pass, you get to choose between concave screen and fish eye mode 18:31 Luxidream: assuming you're selling on a platform that doesn't have license requirements of its own, you must allow the recipient to make copies of what you sold them and give them away for free 18:32 there are steam games I have that can be launched without any steam intervention at all 18:32 it does try to interface with Steam, but upon failure, just goes "eh fuck it, let's run anyway" 18:32 that's one of the things the steamworks DLL does, IIRC 18:32 basically all it does is enable potential online functionality, mods, etc 18:32 FIQ: Likewise (like this copy of EU3, except it doesn't even try). 18:32 I was reading up on it (not for NetHack, for some other reason) 18:32 <[Demo]> so if i wanted to i could fork their game and sell it for a dollar less according to the license? 18:33 I wonder if Steam also don't have a way not to make the purchaser not agree to restrictions on distribution? # sorry for the double negative 18:33 <[Demo]> cause if it comes to trying to play that game im down 18:33 <[Demo]> like if we can just have terrorism thatd be funny too 18:33 [Demo]: yes, the NGPL explicitly allows that sort of shenanigans 18:33 <[Demo]> if the license has too many loopholes 18:33 although the logical end result is that it'll end up being sold for zero :-) 18:33 ais523: sounds fun 18:34 <[Demo]> so even if they can work out through the license everyone else can with their work 18:34 <[Demo]> this seems like an incredibly stupid idea of a game for an indie studio to try to sell 18:34 wouldn't you need to re-ask everyone for permission 18:34 meaning said shenanigans aren't really practical 18:34 FIQ: No, you already have their permission via the NPL. 18:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:32680 18:36 [hdf-us] [slex] Uruwi (Che Asg Fem Neu), 18495 points, T:3910, drowned in a moat by a ribbon fish 18:37 !who 18:37 introsp3ctive: [hdf-us] Uruwi [slex] k2 [spl] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 18:51 -!- raynold has joined #hardfought 18:51 -!- raynold has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:53 -!- sparklefarkle has joined #hardfought 18:53 -!- sparklefarkle has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 18:56 Huh... this all makes sense now. My cousin works at Valve and was inquiring about Nethack a couple weeks ago. I don't know what the status of it getting listed on Steam is. I could find out if you want. 18:56 (backscoll) per the nethack GPL, the nethack legacy authors would also have to make their source code publically available 18:56 bouquet yeah that'd be cool 18:56 we have a steam insider heh 18:57 He's in biz dev there but he knows everything like some sort of mindflayer savant. 18:57 K2: That's the easy bit (indeed, they seem to have made preparations to do so.) 18:57 bouquet: it will likely require a lawyer to figure out the exact legal situation here, but my suspicion is that NetHack variants cannot be sold on Steam 18:57 ais523: cannot> well, unless Valve want to come up with a "really DRM free and no Steamworks tentacles" option 18:57 <[Demo]> if they can i intend to attempt terrorize anybody that tries to 18:58 I asked him a couple years ago if they'd ever allow something like Nethack and he scoffed at the notion. 18:58 Pinkbeast: right, the issue is that Valve and NetHack each have their own ideas about licenses, each of which independently makes sense, but the combination doesn't 18:59 I don't expect them to allow any variation there because they're already on shaky enough ground sustaining the fiction that Steam purchases aren't purchases and it's a "subscription service". 19:00 huh, they actually do that? 19:00 Yes, very much - the EU has rightly recognised it's a fiction but too bad if you're not in the EU (or practically as an end user it is very hard to actually make use of this) 19:00 in a way it's a pity that Steam is the leading software marketplace because their licensing practices are ridiculous 19:01 I suspect that follows _from_ being dominant; a de facto monopoly will always turn evil even if it didn't start evil. 19:02 huh, I haven't heard that quote before but it makes a lot of sense 19:02 I stopped using it at the point they started pushing through non-trivial T&C changes with the "or lose all your games" stick. 19:02 It's a quote from me # but plenty of other people have expressed the same sentiment 19:05 -!- guest3546 has joined #hardfought 19:05 hmm, so if I ever make a game of my own and decide to sell it, is avoiding Steam as a marketplace a sensible decision? 19:05 -!- guest3546 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 19:05 itch.io is currently the most plausible competitor for indie games, I think 19:05 If it doesn't violate the license and some suckers actually pay for it, it would at least be more exposure for Nethack. Maybe they'll get David Lynch to direct the Nethack movie? 19:06 ais523: Probably not; their dominance makes it hard for publishers to avoid letting them take their (substantial) cut. 19:06 I think the best a publisher can do is to use GOG and itch.io as well. 19:06 I think many people would think that it's a bit unfair for the NetHack Legacy creators to get most of the profit off work that's been mostly created by other people 19:07 *shurg* while I suspect many people would think that, that's how the GPL/NPL works. 19:08 no, the GPL/NGPL attempts to prevent that sort of profiting via the "if you sell this anyone can redistribute it for free" mechanism 19:08 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 4798 points, T:4933, killed by a soldier ant 19:08 can we have a NetHack anime 19:09 Uh, I also think that's part of how it works. 19:09 Luxidream: if there are mindflayers someone will find a way to make it X-rated. 19:09 Luxidream: imagine having to attach the NGPL to each individual frame of the anime :-P 19:09 <[Demo]> embed it in each frame 19:09 the NGPL is a really buggy license… 19:09 They can make a profit off it but it's not "unfair" because anyone can undercut them at any time so the price should come to represent the actual cost of distribution (ie, about sod all) 19:09 that said, you might be able to make something that isn't, per copyright law, a NetHack derivative, in which case the license wouldn't matter 19:09 Pinkbeast: right 19:11 there are already illithid monstergirls I think 19:11 <[Demo]> yikes 19:11 but that's a story for another day 19:12 hawt 19:12 well, in Slash'EM Extended there's basically everything 19:13 hmm, the last time there was a big license row related to NetHack. it was to do with Pathos: NetHack Codex 19:13 <[Demo]> when was this? 19:13 Isn't there a constant tide of App Store releases? 19:14 which was recoded from scratch, and it was resolved by the developer changing the game sufficiently that it wasn't derived from NGPL code 19:14 [Demo]: a few years ago, I think 19:14 IIRC Pathos is free but closed-source 19:14 the main thing it was infringing on was things like the monster list and monster stats, so it's changed them round sufficiently that they aren't NetHack-derived any more 19:15 likewise items and so on 19:15 Let us not consider the slight issue that the rump of TSR may want to look at those some day. :-) 19:15 (Apropos of which, NetHack Legacy are probably unwise to actually _say_ "D&D" in their marketing...) 19:16 you could probably make an OGL roguelike 19:16 (i.e. working off the open-sourced version of D&D 3) 19:17 D&D 5 is partially open-sourced with some weird restrictions, e.g. you can't define a method of levelling up 19:17 (I suspect this is intended so that people will need to purchase some "official" D&D 5 content to have a playable game) 19:17 I think there is one. (But it doesn't help you if you just slapped "D&D" on your marketing...) 19:18 <@luxidream> Also, is there a good way to see if the art on https://nethacklegacy.com/ is uncredited? 19:19 <@luxidream> A reverse image search didn’t bring up anything 19:21 -!- zzzADC15 has joined #hardfought 19:21 -!- zzzADC15 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 19:32 -!- Hrogart has joined #hardfought 19:43 -!- Luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:57 -!- Hrogart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:58 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 20:11 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 20:14 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:24 !who 20:24 Luxidream: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 20:28 -!- Tariru has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 20:39 [hdf-us] [fh] Penis Man (Uruwi) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 35845 points, T:3485, killed by a blast of frost 20:45 [hdf-us] [fh] Uruwi (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 12001 points, T:751, killed by a gnome lady 20:56 -!- MikeSpears3 has joined #hardfought 20:56 -!- MikeSpears3 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:00 [hdf-us] [fh] Uruwi (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 24331 points, T:1100, killed by a gnome lady 21:02 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 21:10 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 21:12 -!- MisteryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:13 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:55401 21:13 !who 21:13 Luxidream: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] Uruwi [fh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:13 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:55402 21:15 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:55417 21:23 [hdf-us] [fh] Uruwi (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2711 21:24 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:55551 21:29 [hdf-us] [fh] Uruwi (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the wizard of Uguxium, the former Conjurer, on T:3220 21:32 -!- matlock has joined #hardfought 21:32 -!- matlock has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:38 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:55620 21:40 SpliceHack updated (all servers) 21:40 notable change - one-eyed sam wont be so easy to kill anymore ;) 21:41 fuuuuuuck! 21:41 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 1176900 points, T:55649, killed by Famine (with the Amulet), while fainted from lack of food 21:41 oh shit 21:42 and i thought i was having bad luck 21:42 * hothraxxa kicks himself all over the astral plane 21:42 this wasn't bad luck it was inattention 21:42 :( 21:42 i didn't notice i was weak until it was too late 21:43 famine touched me i fainted, the rest is history 21:43 bleh 21:43 that's a lot of work for nothing :( 21:44 time for a drink i think 21:44 !booze hothraxxa 21:44 * Beholder passes hothraxxa a tall glass of the hard stuff, distilled by FCCBot at 51 degrees Celsius. 21:44 slurp 21:44 frustrating 21:45 i can relate unfortunately 21:46 :( 21:46 i suppose the bright side is that i know the strategies for splicehack 21:49 it took me splatting twice in the planes before i had finally learned enough to ascend sporkhack 21:49 sometimes thats what it takes 21:50 and i think i had died once in the planes with grunthack early on 21:50 well this was just stupidity on my part, nothing to do with splicehack 21:50 have definitely died w/ amulet 21:50 only my second splat with the amulet 21:51 i keep an extra keyboard on standby when things like that happen 21:51 first one was also due to fainting, that time it was bad food 21:51 #protip: don't faint on the astral palne 21:53 heh 21:53 [hdf-us] [fh] Uruwi (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 45718 points, T:5529, killed by an owlbear 22:04 -!- sneakyness has joined #hardfought 22:04 -!- sneakyness has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 22:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1206 22:11 -!- thejoecarroll17 has joined #hardfought 22:11 -!- thejoecarroll17 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 22:15 -!- justache7 has joined #hardfought 22:15 -!- justache7 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1023 points, T:2845, killed by a hill orc 22:21 <@Tone> Bad food on Astral, that a mistake I only made once. Only cram rations and lembas wafers now 22:21 -!- justyns has joined #hardfought 22:21 -!- justyns has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 22:22 -!- Matthew_15 has joined #hardfought 22:22 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22 -!- Matthew_15 has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 668 points, T:1971, killed by a giant ant, while fainted from lack of food 22:42 -!- tacco| has quit [] 22:49 PavelB: [3 days' backscroll] remember, mojo can now be invoked in xnh for a lightning bolt, making it more nice to at least keep around 22:50 hothraxxa: [lots of backscroll] I didn't change the "monster generation curve" in anything affecting /oCM. 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