00:01 ais523: would it savebreak to convert a level that previously was unvarianted ("oracle") into one with variants? 00:02 <@Dracunos> How many weapons did you try? 00:04 <@luxidream> silver spears are pretty rare 00:05 <@luxidream> they're apparently 1/500 weapons 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:30346 00:05 <@luxidream> well that works 00:05 <@IceBox> haha yep there we go 00:05 ais523: because now if someone was on oracle, the game will now be looking for oracle-1. or is that only relevant for generation? 00:06 and I don't think bones will be affected because they all just have the "oracle" O flag, right? 00:06 <@IceBox> not as many as i could've but i dont have the patience for it. Probably ~100 if you include individual ammo pieces as weapons 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:30369 00:07 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 00:07 <@IceBox> oh my god a weapon is so much better than bare hands, haha 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:40370 00:08 <@luxidream> martial arts sucks 00:08 <@luxidream> dealing 1 damage 25% of the time 00:09 <@IceBox> wow really? i haven't actually read anything about it other than a monk is the best for that conduct 00:09 <@IceBox> but i dont care about conducts, haha 00:09 <@luxidream> at grandmaster it does d4+9 00:09 <@luxidream> except when you roll a 1 00:09 <@luxidream> when you roll a 1 it does 1 damage 00:10 yeah all damage has this stupid thing 00:10 it's like a crit fail, except the crit fail chance is based off rolling a 1 on your _damage_ die 00:12 <@luxidream> aosdict: can you remove Rogue/SLASM'EM too? 00:12 yall i kinda think that darkstar is maybe just a really weird human 00:12 <@luxidream> sorry about that 00:13 SLASM'EM? 00:14 <@luxidream> typo 00:14 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:32791 00:15 <@luxidream> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rogue/SLASM%27EM 00:15 <@luxidream> because I am stupid 00:15 done 00:16 <@luxidream> ty. I'll continue to do whatever roles have some detailed slash'em information 00:16 <@luxidream> unfortunately, having never played the game 00:16 <@luxidream> I can't really add much 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 70 points, T:18, imp 00:17 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 00:18 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 50 points, T:4, exploding rune 00:19 -!- stenno is now known as Guest21839 00:20 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:33088 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:30713 00:21 <@luxidream> @IceBox curious, did you kill that one silver dragon at castle yet? 00:22 <@IceBox> it was a gray dragon and i did (cuz i had the same thought wanting to save a wish) 00:22 <@IceBox> no scales and haven't found any turning wands to give it a couple shots 00:23 <@luxidream> consider wishing for cursed genocide if you're later in the game 00:23 <@luxidream> saves a bit of resources 00:23 -!- Guest21839 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:23 <@IceBox> why's that? because it ID's geno for writing later? 00:24 <@luxidream> yeah. you also can use the second or third scroll to get more HP 00:24 <@IceBox> and either way i could've just written geno, that would've been better anyways 00:24 <@luxidream> or other needs 00:24 <@luxidream> if you knew it already a marker would have worked 00:24 <@IceBox> already have a marker, just didn't think of/remember cursed geno 00:25 <@luxidream> next time! doesn't really matter now, you've pretty much already won 😃 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:40695 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:40696 00:25 <@IceBox> haha dont say that 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 711 points, T:666, the ghost of rustmonster 00:26 <@IceBox> that's how i felt last time before falling in a pit wielding a cockatrice corpse 00:26 <@luxidream> well this time you can wear life saving 00:26 <@luxidream> relax 00:27 <@IceBox> yeah that's my next wish, or one of 'em 00:29 <@luxidream> guaranteed at vlad 00:34 <@IceBox> yeah i wont forget that one ever again, i think you or lapis told me about it 00:35 <@IceBox> are most/many things in gehennom sleep resistant? 00:37 <@luxidream> undead are immune 00:38 <@luxidream> demons may resist due to their MR 00:38 <@IceBox> yeah just thinking of wearing cloak of protection for a while for all the draining attacks 00:38 <@IceBox> since sleep is still my only big spell 00:40 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:34024 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 1577 points, T:2511, crossbow bolt 00:42 <@luxidream> also uncurse your wand of death 00:42 <@luxidream> wands blow up 00:42 <@luxidream> it happens 00:42 luxidream: thanks, it seemed kind of far fetched considering war hammer dmg is so low. 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:40858 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:31048 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41192 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:31149 00:58 <@IceBox> they blow up just randomly on zapping? 00:58 <@luxidream> 1/100 if cursed 00:58 <@IceBox> huh i thought that just affected charging and such, good to know 00:59 <@luxidream> some poor souls have lost their wow like this 00:59 <@luxidream> don't be a statistic 00:59 <@IceBox> haha i DO always engrave with WoW just because of that scariness 00:59 <@IceBox> and now it's a habit even when i know it's uncursed 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 443 points, T:609, orc 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:42269 01:08 <@IceBox> why does an iron golem show as a 5 on the warning scale 01:09 <@IceBox> i've never had trouble with 'em 01:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:42397 01:10 <@IceBox> yesssssssss ring of conflict. Always exciting but i spent almost 2 full polywands piling for it and didn't get it 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42513 01:12 <@luxidream> warning scale is based on monster level 01:12 <@luxidream> Iron golems are high level 01:12 <@IceBox> well they are weak af 01:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:32154 01:17 <@IceBox> that was actually tough, i couldn't really hit him 01:17 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 01:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:19 -!- stenno is now known as Guest36737 01:20 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:20 <@luxidream> if you’re finishing the game tonight watch your back, you don’t have much HP 01:20 <@luxidream> I’m going to bed, good night all 01:21 <@IceBox> not finishing tonight, i should probably take care of my HP before going much further 01:21 <@IceBox> g'night! 01:24 -!- Guest36737 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:29 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 1581 points, T:1371, quit 01:29 <@IceBox> picked up a vorpal blade, that better than frost brand? 01:36 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:44182 01:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44186 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:44271 01:54 !lotg winny 01:54 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, winny! 01:57 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 2153 points, T:2413, quit 02:06 -!- monstergrin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:44467 02:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:44496 02:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:44498 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:44512 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:44513 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:44517 02:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:36875 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:44525 02:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:44538 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Tyr, on T:44549 02:27 <@IceBox> grats winny!! 02:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2718982 points, T:44551, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/w/winny/nh361/dumplog/1525872370.nh361.txt 02:29 lol thx IceBox 02:29 i even got to kill my own priest 02:30 winny wins! yay! congratulations :) 02:30 that game is from ages ago 02:30 i like to #quit stale games 02:30 i decided to complete that one 02:38 aosdict: why do you need to define TREE for des files? wouldn't it be easier to just use the T character in the map section? I mean, isn't that how the trees in that one minetown variant are made? 02:46 wow, that was a productive throne 02:46 two wishes, see invisible, full-inventory ID and a genocide 02:47 (also it cursed my magic whistle, ah well) 02:50 I killed a cockatrice and it death-dropped a fortune cookie saying: David London sez, "Hey guys, *WIELD* a lizard corpse against a cockatrice!" 02:52 YASI: green slime corpses cause sliming on touch, to make their behavior consistent with cockatrice corpses, and touching a pyrolisk corpse with bare hands will burn your hands :) 02:53 (it's probably a good thing that unnethack disintegrators don't leave corpses) 03:19 if not for game balance reasons, I would have done it this way to avoid writing too much code anyway :-) 03:20 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:20 -!- stenno is now known as Guest56263 03:20 although I think it wouldn't be too bad if wielding a green slime corpse would confer sliming on touch 03:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:179, killed by a sewer rat 03:20 disintegrators and game balance sound like polar opposites :P 03:21 but you would have to tone down sliming a lot 03:21 like, make it much slower and non-fatal for monsters. 03:22 in my book, c corpses are also the opposite of game balance, I mean, you can simply say "nope Orcus I won't fight you today"? wtf 03:23 that's spork and unnethack have the restriction on hit chance for non weapons :) 03:24 -!- Guest56263 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24 yes, and slex has at least a dozen random messages mocking that "fix", because most of the time you'll stone Orcus quickly enough anyway and ALL restricted weapons are trashed in the process 03:25 for roleplaying reasons, it's still a step in the right direction. on that note, I actually considered making weapons with restricted skills to be completely unusable 03:25 like, does it really matter if you have to attack Orcus twice in 25% of cases? nope! but does it matter if your tourist has a 25% reduction in to-hit chance with his long sword for at least 125 attacks? yes! 03:25 "completely unusable" WUT 03:26 that "solution" is not that effective against a single opponent but against a horde, it is 03:26 okay unnethack 6 will be a complete disaster, mark my words :P 03:26 there are way too many skills anyway 03:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 03:27 will you also be completely unable to cast any restricted spell? and unable to mount a horse if restricted in riding etc.? 03:27 someone gotta notify ais523! this is an extreme case of taking away the player's headroom! 03:28 I said "considered", not "planning" 03:28 reducing skills is still an idea popping around in my head. I mean, "mace" and "morning star", wtf? 03:29 IMHO the problem is not that there's "too many skills" (wtf), the two core problems are limited # of skill slots (can only max out two or three weapons and that's it), and the fact that many weapon types (e.g. short sword!) have either no artifacts at all or no artifacts worth using 03:30 if there were fewer categories, you would have no problem with the limited number of skills slots :-) 03:30 club, flail, trident and especially boomerang could be much better if they weren't so awfully weak, to say nothing of the complete garbage that is the sling 03:33 would that really help with people using more different kinds of weapons? having an artifact for every base weapon? 03:33 if they're useful, it might 03:34 of course if Excalibur is still the best melee weapon my samurai would still use it over everything else 03:34 but in my book, the Excalibur method and the existence of guaranteed first sacrifice gifts is in and of itself a problem, because it means that once you have those, all iterations of that particular role will play more or less the same and that's boring 03:35 would be interesting if the RNG had more of an impact, as in "oh this time my god gives me an artifact polearm? cool, let's try a polearm samurai, I never did that before!" 03:36 grats winny 03:36 that's another possible solution, just cut the game short at the time roles start to converge in game play 03:37 for some roles, this would be after sokoban :-) 03:37 slex of course takes it further by making it so that in every run there's skills that you simply cannot train or which can only be advanced to e.g. basic; if that happens to be long sword in a samurai run, well, you better find a different weapon ;) 03:38 you might be overestimating the players. 03:38 they might just die :-) 03:39 yes, that happens in nethack :D but they might also just go ahead and play the game four times in total and ascend every time! 03:39 most players are not you :) 03:39 especially as we don't show the to-hit value in nethack. 03:40 there's probably still a bug open in the crawl bugzilla about how showing "a +1,+2 weapon" is a sucky UI. it took me a while to realize what the second number was supposed to mean 03:42 yeah I'm glad we have just one enchantment value for weapons in nethack :) 03:45 the other value is still there, though. just not shown 04:02 what do you mean? there's no such thing as a "+5 damage, +1 to-hit" long sword in nethack; you either have +5 damage, +5 to-hit, or +1 damage, +1 to-hit 04:03 the exception being artifacts, which have separate values for those bonuses 04:10 Anyone here smarter than me? I'm building nethack (xnethack) and getting `ld: cannot find -lcurses`. I know `-lcurses` doesn't exists on OpenSUSE, but does anyone know how to tell it to use `-lncurses` instead. 04:12 PavelB: in your hints file change the WINTTYLIB=-lcurses line to what you need. 04:12 then rerun setup.sh, etc etc. 04:12 thanks 04:13 Well that didn't work 04:14 I mean, the error changes 04:14 https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/wlXh4YTBZkWW46iD0YnHtg 04:18 someone gotta notify ais523! this is an extreme case of taking away the player's headroom! ← why do you think I started AceHack? I didn't like the way Spork and Un were going in terms of game balance 04:18 incidentally, I don't consider inability to max out more than three or so weapon types to be a problem 04:18 even maxing out two is rare 04:19 PavelB: looks like you don't have the development headers of ncurses installed? also, is that the whole error log? if you only post an excerpt, the first errors are more important than the last 04:19 ais523: huh?! but the result is that you always use the same boring weapon for the entire game :( 04:19 I tried -ltinfo -lncurses -lncursesw and it still didn't work 04:19 ( cd src ; make ) 04:19 make[1]: Entering directory '/home/pavel/git/xNetHack/src' 04:19 Linking xnethack. 04:19 cc -rdynamic -o xnethack monst.o objects.o allmain.o alloc.o apply.o artifact.o attrib.o ball.o bones.o botl.o cmd.o dbridge.o decl.o detect.o dig.o display.o dlb.o do.o do_name.o do_wear.o dog.o dogmove.o dokick.o dothrow.o drawing.o dungeon.o eat.o end.o engrave.o exper.o explode.o extralev.o files.o fountain.o hack.o hacklib.o invent.o light.o lock.o mail.o makemon.o mapglyph.o mcastu.o mhitm.o mhitu.o minion.o mklev.o 04:19 mkmap.o mkmaze.o mkobj.o mkroom.o mon.o mondata.o monmove.o monstr.o mplayer.o mthrowu.o muse.o music.o o_init.o objnam.o options.o pager.o pickup.o pline.o polyself.o potion.o pray.o priest.o quest.o questpgr.o read.o rect.o region.o restore.o rip.o rnd.o role.o rumors.o save.o shk.o shknam.o sit.o sounds.o sp_lev.o spell.o sys.o steal.o steed.o teleport.o timeout.o topten.o track.o trap.o u_init.o uhitm.o vault.o vision.o 04:19 -!- PavelB has quit [Excess Flood] 04:19 -!- PavelB has joined #hardfought 04:19 if you had enough slots to e.g. enhance polearms, bow and shuriken, the samurai could be much more diverse! 04:19 oops 04:20 hmm, that's the linking stage. so you have the headers already 04:20 but the way it is, many slots are used up to get long sword and twoweaponing up to max 04:20 I didn't mean to just paste that in irc 04:20 LarienTelrunya: oh right, twoweaponing 04:20 that does have balance issues 04:20 yes, and some variants nerf it so much that it becomes useless (looking at you, jonadab...) 04:21 one of the big problems is armour inflation: when -30 and -40 AC are fairly similar in impact, who cares if you have a shield? 04:21 it seems that it's very hard to get the balance right; it's either "always twoweapon because offense power!!!" or "shield because twoweaponing doesn't hit and there's a shield skill that gives big AC boosts" (Fourk) 04:21 Maybe I can just ask aosdict for a binary... 04:22 and it's definitely never "two-handed weapon because it beats other options damage-wise", because it just doesn't, sadly 04:22 there should be artifact two-handed swords and mattocks 04:22 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 04:23 Or not! 04:23 bhaak: I was able to fix it with `make spotless && make` 04:23 ah yes that'd do it. 04:24 the dependency tracking is... not perfect. 04:26 D: it's 1:30 AM 04:26 How did this happen 04:27 it's not. it's 10:30 :-} 04:27 * stenno_ confirms bhaak 's statement 04:29 * LarienTelrunya confirms that as well 04:30 I'm in UK DST here, so it's approximately 9:30 04:34 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 04:41 I agree with bhaak 04:41 (CEST) 04:44 cest is best 04:46 no, plain cet is better 04:47 it doesn't actually save any daylight and it's a major inconvenience twice a year 04:47 oh did you participate in the EU-wide thingy? 04:47 yes! 04:47 the questioning 04:47 me too 04:47 the switch is bad, but CEST would be a good timezone to have for the whole year 04:48 i think i voted for CEST overall too 04:48 and not have daylight in winter until 9 or 10 or so? brrr 04:48 I like my daylight in the morning 04:48 stupid daylight saving time, I want to move to Russia where that shit has been genocided :P 04:49 I don't want to move to russia but I'll gladly read a scroll of genocide at it 04:49 thats the one i was talking about btw, if anyone else is interested https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/2018-summertime-arrangements?surveylanguage=EN 04:51 in the winter, you go to work when it's dark and you return home when it's dark again 04:51 what, the accursed EU is letting us vote against the stupid time shift? and then they'll probably ignore the result even if it's 95% saying "one time for the entire year"? 04:51 also it requires me to give my personal data? fook yoo, spying authorities :P 05:09 its not a vote, its a survey 05:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:21 -!- stenno is now known as Guest17396 05:25 -!- Guest17396 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:00 -!- attie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 07:04 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 07:22 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:22 -!- stenno is now known as Guest78433 07:26 -!- Guest78433 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:30 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:31 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 07:49 hm, rest of astral after RL interruption 07:59 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 07:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:17 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 08:28 LarienTelrunya: [backscroll] because the Oracle is a LEVEL type level, not a MAZE type level, and doesn't have a map (and I wasn't able to figure out how to implement the central Oracle room as a map) 08:29 oh I see 08:30 gotta go now, bbl 08:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:31 morning 08:31 K2: Message from aosdict at 2018-07-24 22:19 EDT: assuming this doesn't savebreak, and I don't think it does, pushed new Oracle level variants 08:32 aosdict did you test it to see if it savebreaks? 08:32 I don't know how to test it really 08:32 its easy 08:32 you have a test build yeah? 08:32 mhm 08:33 ... 08:33 is that a yes? :) 08:33 yes 08:33 heh ok 08:33 I guess I can see several cases that might break i 08:33 it 08:33 so start a game, then save it. make changes to code, compile, then try to load the save 08:33 but the main one is if you saved on an oracle level 08:34 is the original oracle level(s) untouched? 08:34 s/is/are 08:34 yes, but: the thing that I'm unsure of is that it used to be just "oracle" and now that level is known as "oracle-1" 08:34 ah 08:34 i'm betting it save breaks 08:35 for anyone generating the oracle level anew, it probably doesn't break anything 08:35 can you test it please before I pull it? 08:41 ugh it's broken anyway because a merge conflict marker got left in there somehow 08:41 there shouldn't have even been any conflicts. it was from a bad rebase 08:42 testing new builds for the win 08:42 i have learned this lesson the hard way w/ grunthack 08:42 that reminds me i should play spork again now that the sexypatches are in 08:46 sexy patches ;) 08:48 * aosdict does a double take to make sure that that's stenno and not LarienTelrunya 09:19 K2: doesn't appear to break anything to load an oracle saved level. let's try some of the other edge cases... 09:22 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:23 -!- stenno is now known as Guest58052 09:23 ok 09:25 ok so it's not _savebreaking_... 09:26 but if you have a save from before the commits, where the oracle level isn't loaded yet, and then try to enter it, it looks for oracle.lev and can't find it. 09:26 so it makes a maze (what a silly fallback that is) 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:44976 09:27 -!- Guest58052 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:28 ah yes the old "making a maze" fallback. 09:29 K2: do any such saves exist? 09:29 does leaving the old default "oracle.lev" file in place as well as the new oracle-n.lev files help? 09:29 it would probably fix it, yes. I can test that if you want? 09:30 sure 09:30 and probably, but i havent looked yet 09:30 seems to make the most sense. It'd just be a copy of oracle-1.lev or whatever, I suppose. 09:30 in macbook hell 09:31 no that still doesn't work 09:31 for some reason 09:31 actually, let me look... 09:32 I think you would have to edit the makefile.top so that oracle.lev and oracle-1.lev both get bundled into nhdat 09:34 ok so that works and is a terrible kludge. but it works 09:35 that would be something only K2 should do since putting it under version control would just break stuff down the road 09:42 <[Demo]> God I hate problems like that but I do like when other people figure them out so if I have them in the future which I will hopefully people will be kind enough to share tips and pointers from the knowledge they gained in their struggles. 09:42 K2: pushed fixes to stuff that was broken; in order to not break games that are pre-oracle you need to add oracle.lev alongside oracle-?.lev in the Makefile.top 09:43 ok 09:43 er, not Makefile.top. just rerun setup.sh and then add it to the top level Makefile 09:46 and at the next version bump you won't need oracle.lev anymore 09:46 either next version bump or when nobody else has a pre-oracle save from before now. whichever comes first 09:53 <[Demo]> see my development is a mess so stuff that had numbers and now doesnt per level and is now 1 level and not a bunch of random options (the opposite of what you did with oracle) have extra levelname-#.lev hanging around being dumb and i should just delete from development zone 09:58 -!- stenno_ has quit [Changing host] 09:58 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 09:58 -!- stenno_ is now known as stennowork 10:04 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:35925 10:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:46482 10:17 -!- monstergrin has joined #hardfought 10:45 lost connection at some point last night, did winny, uh, win 10:56 yes 10:57 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:05 <@Dracunos> Just got my third win, opposite alignment.. I thought there'd be a special message :p 11:07 <@Dracunos> I guess I still need to get the celestial disgrace ending 11:07 <[Demo]> god i hate the wish parser so much 11:07 <[Demo]> cant find where it assumes item class 11:08 <[Demo]> like when you wish for healing it throws you a potion or whatever 11:13 i think it just finds the closest name match doesn't it? 11:13 well, i dunno what variant you're using actually 11:14 monstergrin: few variants mess with the actual core mechanics of the wish parser that much. afaik, none have overhauled its basic structure 11:14 <[Demo]> dnh added iron bars as an item and now you cant wizmode wish for them 11:15 that's a little odd 11:15 <[Demo]> also added potion of lava and now if i want lava in wizmode i have to preface it with literally anything 11:15 <[Demo]> so if i wish for gay lava i get a pool of lava but if i wish for lava i get the potion 11:15 that's hilarious 11:16 there's a LOT of unwishable items in dnh tho so maybe chris just missed it? 11:16 "gay lava" oh hey my gender 11:16 also antigulp pointed out that I inadvertently made silver and gold rings unwishable 11:16 <[Demo]> Yeah wish parser is a mess with object materials 11:17 <[Demo]> I don't wanna mess with it cause I'll probably break it worse 11:17 <[Demo]> might just accept that wiz mode lava wishing is annoying now 11:18 aosdict is that because you're not allowed to specify material in wishes with the materials patch? 11:20 [Demo]: PM me (or use the dnh channel, just don't spam this one) with all of the things that you've tried to wizmode wish for that have failed, I can get around to patching them 11:23 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:24 -!- stenno is now known as Guest41540 11:27 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 11:29 -!- Guest41540 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:29 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:30 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 11:32 <[Demo]> the current iron bars patch doesn't work 11:40 monstergrin: it's because you _can_ specify materials - in wizard mode. 11:40 But the bug exists in nonwizard mode too because it doesn't check before parsing possible materials. 11:41 I think I am ultimately going to disable wishing for a plain object class. 11:42 <[Demo]> I want a full wish parsering rewrite and a wish.c 11:42 [Demo]: then look into jonadab's proposal to tokenize and parse it from back to front 11:43 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44 <[Demo]> If I am ever involved with a wish parser rewrite it won't be for many years 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2066 11:46 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 11:48 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:48 weird 11:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:48 but interesting 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2842 11:50 <[Demo]> so I think I figured out how I'm gonna fix ndnh gnome 11:50 what's wrong with it? 11:50 <[Demo]> cause gnome is stupidly broken in dnh when it comes to any reason to play it 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3033 11:50 <[Demo]> shit weight cap and any slight perk it gets is vastly inferior to any other race 11:52 <[Demo]> ndnh will make them dope alchemists, raise weight cap a bit, and give them potion multishot 11:53 <[Demo]> as well as adding unique potions, mainly combat, only for their creation with an alchemy kit 11:56 yasi: letting you regain the illiterate conduct after mind flayers eat enough of your brain 11:58 EPI: illiterate is similar to a SLEX nasty trap effect and is inflicted after mind flayers eat enough of your brain 12:00 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 12:04 -!- stennowork has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:41821 12:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:41835 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:4837 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41927 12:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:42002 12:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed potions of water", on T:5627 12:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 32165 points, T:5663, killed by a queen bee 12:15 <@luxidream> can I stop getting 0:1 wands of wishing thanks 12:15 <@luxidream> also liches need to kill themselves 12:16 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 12:17 <[Demo]> they are trying but the wands of death arent working 12:20 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:24 <@Dracunos> @icebox sorry, I had to let you go, you kept not following and gehenom is already annoying enough 12:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:3208 12:25 <@Dracunos> @IceBox it wouldn't let me tag you for some reason 12:25 <@Dracunos> This is real important info you can't miss 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3826 points, T:4891, shot herself with a death ray 12:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:31 -!- stenno is now known as Guest76496 12:31 <[Demo]> sure worked on you though 12:32 -!- Guest76496 has quit [Changing host] 12:32 -!- Guest76496 has joined #hardfought 12:37 <@IceBox> that's really rude @Dracunos, like did you let me die or just leave me behind to wander about hell and become a wild frost giant or whatever i was 12:39 <@Dracunos> I left you to wander in hell as a storm giant for all eternity after all the help you gave me 12:39 <@Dracunos> Storm giant is great, don't need to worry about him or wait for him as much as he heals himself, deals enough damage to kill annoying stuff 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3689 12:45 -!- Guest76496 is now known as stenno 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:5637 12:54 rng gave me a magic marker in the gnomish mines 12:54 ....i dont know anything to write lol 12:54 <@Dracunos> Mines is guaranteed a certain number of tools, right? 12:55 yep but i never see MMs there 12:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Bin Hlf Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3581 13:00 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8576 13:01 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased ring of levitation", on T:8591 13:01 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:01 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 13:02 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:9160 13:03 i played anachronaut for so long i forget that i cant just kill shopkeepers when im done with them 13:03 i mean, i didnt forget fortunately 13:03 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:03 but its tough to reevaluate my whole strategy 13:04 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:04 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:05 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:05 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:05 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:05 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:06 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 47108 points, T:9751, killed by an air elemental 13:06 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:07 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:08 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 13:09 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:09 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:09 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:11 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:12 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:12 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:12 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:13 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:13 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:16 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:20 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:20 -!- lorimer has quit [K-Lined] 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a lamp on an altar, on T:3165 13:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3553 13:23 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8208 points, T:5827, killed by a cobra 13:33 <@luxidream> speedrunning or "how many times can lux miss the 1/3 chance to get excal 13:33 :( 13:33 i tend to quit at that poiunt 13:34 <@luxidream> !lastgame 13:34 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1532538865.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nh343/dumplog/1532511939.nh343.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1532252817.dnh.txt 13:34 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 13:34 -!- Menche has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34 -!- Menche_ is now known as Menche 13:34 <@luxidream> potential polyself kit 13:34 <@luxidream> and conflict 13:34 <@luxidream> too good to quit 13:35 <@luxidream> but I dried up every single fountain 13:35 <[Demo]> ever? 13:36 <[Demo]> or on oracle? is that how the run goes? 13:36 i guess i should try another run too 13:37 @luxidream I once dried out 8 fountains without getting excal 13:37 That's my record 13:37 <@luxidream> all the ones I could find 13:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:38 Usually I just get to the oracle and dip there and I get it 13:38 <@luxidream> dried up two before orcale 13:38 <@luxidream> dried up oracle 13:38 <@luxidream> didn't find any all the way down in the dungeon after that 13:39 <@luxidream> tried to get some holy water to get conflict off 13:39 <@luxidream> didn't get a single corpse 13:39 <@luxidream> died 13:39 -!- aosdict_ has joined #hardfought 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:48983 13:40 poor lux 13:40 RNGesus has not given you his blessing today 13:41 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:43 ah fuck man 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2968 13:51 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:51 <@Dracunos> Where irl can I get some roasted rothe 13:52 I'm sure there are some places in New Mexico and Arizona that serve up some rotheburgers 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 13954 points, T:4348, killed by an Elvenking 13:53 <@Dracunos> I guess they are just fictional versions of ox 13:53 yeah like an ox meets a buffalo but huge 13:54 <@Dracunos> Sounds tasty 13:54 it really does 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a lichen, on T:49946 13:54 <@luxidream> only provides 100 nutrition 13:54 @luxidream so you go =oLev as second wish? 13:54 i think i saw that earlier 13:54 <@Dracunos> I guess it's all fur 13:55 <@luxidream> yeah, I had nothing else with me to complete castle with 13:55 <@luxidream> iirc 13:56 makes sense because tonal is not _that_ likely 13:56 <[Demo]> somehow i broke potion tohit entirely and i have no idea how and it shouldnt have happened 13:59 <@luxidream> liches are terrible 13:59 <@luxidream> I was using tonal earlier today 13:59 <@luxidream> they snuck through invisible 13:59 <@luxidream> cursed my pickaxe and then it was over 14:00 fml man 14:02 * stenno pouts and eats icecream 14:03 * PavelB wishes he had icecream 14:04 go buy some? 14:04 <@luxidream> that's a really good idea 14:04 <@luxidream> I have two quarts I bought from a local gelato place 14:05 oh i still have some icecream in the office's freezer that my boss bought 14:05 I'd love to but I'm at work and can't leave 14:05 Although my lunch break is in half an hour 14:06 you cannot just leave for a break when you want? 14:07 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:08 I can take a short break but I can't just disappear for half an hour to go to the store 14:09 ok 14:09 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 14:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v aosdict] by ChanServ 14:10 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 14:10 [hdf-us] [dyn] pavelek (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 933 points, T:1021, killed by a giant ant 14:11 -!- aosdict_ has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:12 <@Tone> @luxidream yeah invisible liches are a pain at the drawbridge 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "a blessed greased fixed wand of polymorph", on T:45239 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3481 14:26 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:27 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:45612 14:31 nice tool shop 14:33 two magic lamps, one magic marker? 14:33 but no moneys 14:34 speed runners don't keep pets i bet 14:34 no.. 14:34 infact pettype:none because they might be in the way in first level 14:34 i thought not. pets are time wasters 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1987 14:35 and now telepathy 14:35 this has to be the run! 14:35 * stenno doesn't create pressure 14:36 (commenting on luxi dreams run) 14:36 we should all watch and make comments 14:36 yes 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2721 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof ring of levitation", on T:3439 14:41 <@Dracunos> Can we silently judge 14:44 sounds good 14:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5455 14:48 i don't understand all the boulder shenanigans 14:49 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:49 ok you guys are making me have to watch it too 14:49 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40078 14:49 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40081 14:50 it's lux he's way past that now 14:51 he did a bunch of stuff in soko with boulders that i couldn't see why he did 14:51 me neither 14:51 doesn't compute 14:52 and the lucky medusa 14:53 not mention sokobag aftwer wishing up reflection 14:54 40 minutes more or less? 14:55 more like 30 14:55 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #hardfought 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:6774 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:6775 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 28579 points, T:6877, killed by a gas cloud 14:58 <@luxidream> are you kidding me 14:58 fuck man 14:58 get gas clouds off the nasties list! 14:58 <@luxidream> why wouldn't it die 14:59 did you exca wielded or something else? 14:59 <@luxidream> excalibue 14:59 <@luxidream> !lastgame 14:59 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1532543238.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nh361/dumplog/1532542877.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1532252817.dnh.txt 14:59 <@luxidream> yeah I had excal wielded 14:59 <@luxidream> wtf 15:00 <@luxidream> I'm so bad at nethack 15:00 damn I was just about to pull up your game lol 15:00 aw man 15:01 Just finished with lunch 15:13 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2583 15:16 K2: SpliceHack 0.5.0 is prepped. Probably last thing I will release for a while other than bugfixes / reflag fixes. 15:19 is this with object materials added 15:19 ye 15:21 I just noticed that the #hardfought Topoic still says "¤ Junethack 2018!!" 15:21 Topic, even 15:22 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 15:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 15:24 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:26 That’s right, cat, attack that floating eye. Sigh. 15:27 <[Demo]> bad times out here oh man 15:27 Safer then attacking it yourself 15:27 <[Demo]> ndnh falling apart and its getting all stormy out 15:27 <[Demo]> hey antigulp have you added any potions with static appearances to spl? 15:28 None with static appearances, no. 15:28 <[Demo]> rats 15:29 It shouldn’t be that bad, you can probably look at the code for other static items right? 15:29 Potions of water have a static appearance 15:30 <[Demo]> the problem is i copied a static potion struct and added 4 more static potions past the existing 4 15:30 <[Demo]> now the existing 4 arent static anymore 15:30 <[Demo]> and the new ones are 15:30 <[Demo]> so its hardcoded somewhere stupid 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:8533 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8938 15:33 I did not know ^^ breaks the no polymorph conduct 15:33 <[Demo]> does in 3.6.x 15:34 AntiGulp: you have two "Righteous %s" in your wpn_names array 15:34 aaargh thank you 15:34 <[Demo]> how does the wish parser manage to be so tremendously stupid? 15:35 I didn't know it broke the conduct either, you don't actually poly, you just look like something! 15:36 you apparently look like something *really* convincingly 15:36 I think mimics change shape, it's not just an optical illusion 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:9643 15:40 <[Demo]> how much shit has the devteam refactored in 3.6.x? 15:42 not as much as anyone would like 15:42 3.6.2 will be the big refactoring 15:42 really? 15:42 well the somewhat big 15:43 Oooh 15:43 do they need any help 15:43 don't they want to make it C99 compatible 15:43 <[Demo]> they should do a full wish parser rewrite 15:43 * AntiGulp crosses fingers for monster flags, or more inteligible dochug 15:43 just turning from K&R to C89 or C99 isn't really much of a refactor 15:45 What I want to see gone are 4-line-long function declarations 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "cursed greased magic marker", on T:10162 15:45 Oh true 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:10163 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased ring of teleport control", on T:10166 15:46 <[Demo]> what does the devteam do? 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] antigulp (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1311 points, T:3376, killed by a vampire bat 15:47 Darn it, was going for sub-5k sokoban 15:52 <@Dracunos> Started with magic marker and blind fold, found jumping boots and cornuthaum by d2.. I wonder how I die :p 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:11462 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:11463 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:11464 15:53 <[Demo]> wand of lightning and a cruel gnome 15:53 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of levitation", on T:11563 15:55 -!- lonjil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:12547 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:12548 16:00 -!- lonjil has joined #hardfought 16:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:14386 16:09 -!- lonjil has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:15043 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed magic marker", on T:15157 16:14 -!- lonjil has joined #hardfought 16:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:15976 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:16311 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:16526 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:38204 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:16760 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:16761 16:20 <@IceBox> hey lux killing baalzebub at the same time 16:20 <@IceBox> kindred spirits, eh? 16:20 how long in, 1 hour? 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:17240 16:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:24 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26 wee 16:26 i hate macs 16:27 <[Demo]> how much? 16:27 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org 16:27 more today than i did yesterday 16:29 And why's that? 16:29 i dont want to get into the details 16:29 not right now 16:29 lol 16:29 Aww come on I need more reasons to hate on apple 16:29 It's like my favorite thing 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:18345 16:30 mine too, I'm not gonna lie. honestly just can't stand Apple or any of their products 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 362103 points, T:18349, killed by the Wizard of Yendor 16:30 how come? 16:30 killed _by_ the wizard? 16:30 oh shit 16:30 <@luxidream> he dodged 6 rays 16:30 <@luxidream> bastard 16:31 damn RIP 16:31 I thought that was the one 16:31 how quick was that, 1h10 ? 16:31 <@luxidream> 1:25 16:31 k 16:31 <@luxidream> but I was better mapped this time 16:32 <@luxidream> I didn't zap hime right away 16:32 <@luxidream> because I was 2 weaponing 16:32 stenno: I can't stand them because it's just not in my nature to own any of their stuff. I'm a tinkerer. Every piece of hardware I've ever owned I have customized and messed around with to make it my own in every way. I can't justify spending $3000 on a computer when I could spend $800 for the same specs but be able to make it exactly how I want it and have it last longer because I can actually 16:32 <@luxidream> +6 longswords 16:32 replace things and work on it myself. 16:34 <@luxidream> !lastgame 16:34 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1532545544.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nh361/dumplog/1532548267.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1532252817.dnh.txt 16:34 ok 16:34 I'm willing to accept that OSX is superior to Windows in many ways, but for the reasons introsp3ctive mentioned I'd rather have even a Windows PC over a Mac. 16:35 If I had to pick between the two, I'd get the Windows PC and wipe Windows and install Linux on it ;) 16:35 Well, yeah 16:35 I'm a Linux guy personally, but I've always been into PC gaming so I've always had a PC with Windows on it. My gaming rig still has Windows7 on it because that one I was able to set up how I like. I can't stand W8 or W10 16:35 DX12 tho 16:36 I've actually been without a Linux machine for the first time in over two years last week when I killed my laptop 16:36 windows 7? wow 16:36 It's not powerful enough to run anything that would utilize DX12. I built it I think seven years ago. Gonna have to build a new one here before too long 16:36 I couldn't reinstall Fedora on it but I did get OpenSUSE on it this morning 16:36 do you even have edge on windows 7 16:36 No 16:36 lmao 16:37 Do you even MSEdge bro? 16:37 <@luxidream> !lastgame 16:37 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nh361/dumplog/1532545544.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nh361/dumplog/1532548706.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1532252817.dnh.txt 16:37 9 year old OS 16:37 I was using a chromebook as my Linux machine for quite a while until I switched over to the laptop I have now 16:37 <@luxidream> stenno: what were you doing on quest home? 16:37 <[Demo]> where are object appearnces scrambled? 16:37 I use Bing because Microsoft rewards pays me to use Bing, but I'm not willing to go as far as using Edge for that 16:37 I don't think I could use Edge even if they did pay me. 16:37 @luxidream wanted to get some FR 16:38 I'll go back and install Netscape before I use Edge :D 16:38 <@luxidream> makes sense. fire elementals at castle are pretty annoying 16:38 I get a 5$ amazon gift card every month or so for using Bing 16:38 edge is worse than chrome and ff but like a million times better than IE 16:38 <@luxidream> what time were you at 16:38 @luxidream nothing too special 16:38 Safari is actually worse than Edge at standards compliance 16:39 But the meme is too ingrained 16:39 I just heard about Min not too long ago. It's nice for when I want to keep some documentation open or something like that while I'm working on a project. 16:39 edge is not too bad regarding standard compliance, really 16:39 Uses very little resources 16:39 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 16:39 IE doesn't even ES6 16:39 no arrow functions, no const/let 16:39 Edge is actually not bad. 16:39 basically bullshit 16:39 edge is the best MS browser 16:39 <[Demo]> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Randomized_appearance holy shit the references for this article are god tier and a half 16:39 Chrome is still better, but if I had to use Edge I would be fine with that. 16:40 yeah chrome is the best browser 16:40 xNetHack updated (all servers) 16:40 I'd have to agree 16:40 regarding both compliance and developer friendlyness 16:40 and that's not just the Google fanboy in me saying that 16:41 rightly the winner of the second browser wars 16:42 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:49 I keep getting the itch to play Nethack but I'm still so very much engrossed in Cataclysm:DDA 16:51 <[Demo]> found the unholy motherfucker https://i.imgur.com/b1rL19n.png 16:51 <@luxidream> wish CDDA had server play 16:51 <@luxidream> I remember reading something about it once 16:51 <@luxidream> but not sure if it took off or not 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2446 points, T:2066, killed by a killer bee 16:52 [Demo]:Do you mind me asking what text editor that is 16:53 <[Demo]> vim 16:53 <[Demo]> with default, mentally crippled, C syntax highlighting 16:53 Oh yeah, I have a plugin for C highlighting 16:54 That's probably why I thought it didn't look like Vim 16:54 <[Demo]> it is the most stupid shit, highlights false but not FALSE when it should be highlighting FALSE 16:54 <[Demo]> same with true and TRUE 16:54 <[Demo]> its just like what the hell you know it s a C file who the hell wrote this syntax highlighting 16:56 This is just my opinion but the brown for control flow looks ugly af too 16:56 <[Demo]> i dont care/im used to how awful it is now but god its awful and i hate it a lot but its ok because im used to it 17:00 <[Demo]> whats a good appearance description for a potion of insanity? 17:00 Rainbow 17:00 <@luxidream> frothing potion 17:01 <@luxidream> !who 17:01 @luxidream: [hdf-us] monstergrin [dnh] TLar [nh361] | [hdf-eu] nickgrim [nh343] stenno [nh361] | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361] 17:01 <[Demo]> what color would a rainbow potion be? 17:01 luxidream: CDDA does have server play 17:01 <[Demo]> cause i already used rainbow for elements 17:01 <[Demo]> but yeah frothing good for some good old insantiy 17:01 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 17:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 17:03 <@luxidream> is everyone on the same map? 17:03 <@luxidream> that sounds awesome 17:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:06 I don't have any idea how the server play works. I think it works the same way as nethack does where you just ssh into the game and play your own instance of it. 17:06 I'll ask in their IRC if it's still up and see if the guy who runs it can give me a login so I can check it out 17:06 What's their IRC? 17:08 [backscroll] Microsoft has to literally pay people to use bing? what the heck haha 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 2685 points, T:2752, killed by a yeti 17:08 <[Demo]> they have dumb prole points 17:09 <@luxidream> bing rewards? 17:09 <@luxidream> lol 17:09 It's literally free money 17:09 <[Demo]> prole points 17:09 <@luxidream> I used to do it when I was into beermoney 17:09 -!- monstergrin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:10 <@luxidream> but it was mostly spamming garbage searches and then going back to google 17:10 <@luxidream> so 17:10 Google's better at searching for queries with symbols in them 17:10 <@Dracunos> Gremlin with a sleep wand, that's how this great game ends 17:10 <[Demo]> damn 17:11 <[Demo]> i got the wand part right 17:11 <@Dracunos> How do you defend yourself against something like that 17:11 <[Demo]> and the g letter 17:11 <[Demo]> so maybe my capitalization was off 17:11 Like If I want to know what `$/` means in Perl, I'm out of luck with Bing 17:11 But other than that it's not bad 17:11 <[Demo]> ive not had luk with google and symbols 17:11 It's a relatively recent thing 17:11 PavelB: their IRC is #cataclysmdda 17:13 luxidream: I messaged the mod of the server on IRC and on Reddit requesting a login if the server is still live. We'll see if they respond. 17:14 They're in the IRC channel but the channel seems pretty dead compared to their discord so who knows 17:14 <[Demo]> how many race unique potions is enough to make the race interesting? 17:19 <@luxidream> !asc TLar 17:19 @luxidream: [hdf-us] TLar has not ascended in 12 games. 17:20 <@luxidream> !lastgame TLar 17:20 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/TLar/nh361/dumplog/1532472594.nh361.txt 17:21 <@luxidream> died with WoW 😦 17:22 how did you figure that out? 17:23 <@IceBox> it's in the dump in his BoH 17:23 <@IceBox> 1:1 WoW 17:23 no like what made you look it up :P 17:24 smh if you don't look at all your identified possessions when you die 17:24 oh a discord player? 17:24 <[Demo]> why would it matter, ur dead 17:25 oh its you, i see 17:25 rip 17:25 And then if its something good you just feel bad 17:25 i have a good game going but its really slow 17:25 but on a break rn 17:25 <@luxidream> he got a wish t:13 yesterday I think 17:25 <[Demo]> just type faster 17:26 <[Demo]> if u play too fast itll cause problems though 17:28 smh if you don't play nethack like you would sonic the hedgehog 17:28 gotta go fast 17:29 I've tried that a couple of times and it went about as well as when I try to play Sonic 17:29 <@luxidream> homing attack button would be useful in nh tbh 17:29 IDK why but I really suck at Sonic 17:29 3D platforming in general, really 17:30 <@luxidream> sonichack: whenever you get hit, your money flies everywhere 17:30 I got A Hat in Time from the Humble Monthly bundle yesterday and it's been great tho 17:30 I mean, I suck at it 17:30 But it's still fun 17:30 <@luxidream> if you get hit with no money you take more damage 17:31 inb4 hedgehog SLEX race 17:31 <[Demo]> sounds like a slex mode 17:32 <@luxidream> @le? sonic hedgehog 17:32 No such monster. 17:32 <[Demo]> @le?sonic 17:32 sonic ~2~ Sonja (L) | Lvl: 22 | Diff: 31 | Spd: 11 | Res: cold sleep disintegrate poison acid petrification | Confers: cold sleep poison acid | MR: 80 | Generates: unique | AC: 6 | Attacks: 4d6 weapon poison-sting, 6d6 kick acid, 5d5 cast clerical | Alignment: -1 | Flags: omnivore, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker 17:32 <[Demo]> damn 17:32 Just like Sonic 17:33 <@luxidream> sonic should have his own set of taunts, like demonic taunts 17:35 <@luxidream> "you're too slow!" "time to rock and roll" "gotta go fast" etc 17:35 Aw man, Amy's offline. 17:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1773 points, T:4025, killed by a wolf 17:50 <@luxidream> Angelic maledictions: 17:50 <@luxidream> "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!" 17:50 <@luxidream> what 17:50 <@luxidream> I've never seen this 17:53 <[Demo]> is it beyond the index used? 18:08 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 18:09 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:11 it's possible that the spanish inquisition line appears only when hallucinating 18:11 but that's just a guess 18:11 since it's at the end of the list 18:14 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 18:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 18:17 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 118 points, T:887, killed by a fox, while fainted from lack of food 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Arc Hum Fem Law), 31 points, T:118, killed by a jackal 18:24 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 18:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 18:26 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:28 <[Demo]> hmm i should add potions of luck and phasing as prizes for exisiting places 18:29 <[Demo]> i think a blessed potion of luck at the end of lokoban would be a good idea 18:32 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35 <[Demo]> nice, i zap a wand of death and the game sigabrts, thanks 18:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 900 points, T:1537, choked on a lembas wafer 18:46 hi 18:46 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 18:46 !tell AntiGulp ok! 18:46 Will do, K2! 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:51151 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:51151 18:50 !who 18:50 K2: [hdf-us] MrSirLogan [gh] Eleven [nh361] | [hdf-eu] nickgrim [nh343] | [hdf-au] No current players 19:05 <[Demo]> whoa, ana elf might be able to do a protection racket run 19:07 <[Demo]> yeah definitely can 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1428 points, T:3029, quit 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 19:30 [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 3840545 points, T:72692, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/arnibald/nh343/dumplog/1528857996.nh343.txt 19:38 SpliceHack updated (all servers) 19:38 ^ version 0.5.0 19:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1549 points, T:2572, quit 19:39 [Demo] How much gold does an elf ana start with? 19:50 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 19:50 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org 19:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 19:53 <[Demo]> 0 19:53 <[Demo]> but gear worth thousands and thousands 19:54 <[Demo]> doesnt start with a pet 19:54 <[Demo]> but starts with more than enough sleep rays 20:04 -!- Schrubber1 has joined #hardfought 20:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:06 Interesting 20:06 -!- stenno is now known as Guest92527 20:06 -!- Schrubber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:07 I assume you could easily kill a shopkeeper and get your gear back when you are done, too 20:11 -!- Guest92527 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:12 <[Demo]> yep 20:15 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:17 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 20:27 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 210 points, T:367, orc 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] cobalt9 (Val Hum Fem Law), 669 points, T:1814, killed by a pony 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll called 100 ABRA on an altar, on T:3670 21:25 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 21:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4268 21:56 -!- tacco| has quit [] 22:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:07 -!- beetcoin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:07 -!- stenno is now known as Guest65923 22:08 -!- beetcoin has joined #hardfought 22:12 -!- Guest65923 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:23 -!- beetcoin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:34 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 22:38 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:48341 22:38 -!- beetcoin has joined #hardfought 23:15 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 23:19 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:50645 23:20 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 23:21 How does OpenSUSE package hack but not nethack 23:21 Also hack only works if you run it as root 23:21 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 23:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 23:22 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:50857 23:22 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:50860 23:24 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:25 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 23:25 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) woke the rulers of Gehennom by performing the invocation, on T:51102 23:25 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 23:25 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51116 23:26 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Client Quit] 23:28 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 23:35 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51538 23:36 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 23:36 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:51566 23:36 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:51570 23:38 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 23:38 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Geryon, on T:51763 23:41 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:52061 23:48 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:53036 23:52 Lord of the Foocubi is going to kill me :( 23:52 this guy sucks more than any other adversary 23:52 feelsbadman 23:54 literally stolen almost my entire inventory! How can you fight this guy? 23:54 from far away? 23:59 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +2 grayswandir", on T:53314