00:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a gray dragon, on T:22421
00:02 <rld> <@IceBox> g-dangit why do so many mistakes in this game have to be learned the hard way
00:03 <rld> <@IceBox> makes sense in retrospect, but my GDSM breaking because i polymorphed into a gray dragon and then polymorphed again into a baby crocodile is a major bummer
00:03 <rld> <@IceBox> it actually doesn't totally make sense, i feel like a baby crocodile would not break a suit of dragon scale mail
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00:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:24944
00:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25151
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07:08 <theRaisse> it's too warm to play, relly
07:08 <theRaisse> or to type with any accuracy
07:08 <stennowork> here too
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07:11 <stennowork> last three weeks we didn't have it below 23 degree and this week we wont get below 30 degree here
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08:10 <theRaisse> the (air, not water) thermometer at the swimming pool said 36 but I think the probe was in the sun
08:11 <theRaisse> because it felt like about 30 when I arrived, possibly 32 when I left
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08:24 <aosdict> !ping
08:24 <Beholder> aosdict: Pong! 
08:30 <K2> morning
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08:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:6621
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08:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:8111
09:36 <raisse> okay, I'm on the level 1 upstairs, don't think I'll brave the planes right now
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10:22 <aosdict> what are some nice neutral-ish monsters that would be good to put in as Oracle level statues?
10:22 <aosdict> Besides elementals, I've already done those.
10:25 <MiseryMyra> n, q, u, N, and ; come to mind
10:25 <aosdict> ooh yes, sea monsters go nicely with the water theme
10:25 <aosdict> and possibly S
10:28 <K2> water troll
10:30 <stenno_> rodents of unusual size
10:30 <stenno_> or as nethack would maybe put them, rodent of unusual sizes
10:31 <stenno_> ZOD
10:31 <stenno_> ZOT
10:31 <stenno_> no more woodchucks
10:32 <aosdict> one woodchuck statue just for fun? :D
10:36 <stenno_> it would be fitting im
10:36 <stenno_> and its neutral too because its an animal
10:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:26818
10:41 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: https://archiveofourown.org/works/5458259 may be pertinent here
10:53 <aosdict> a nethack rumors page-a-day calendar would be a fun thing to have IRL
10:55 <aosdict> maybe put one random true one and one random false one on each day and see if people can figure out which is which
10:56 <Pinkbeast> Maybe warn them they're not actually true and false
10:57 <stenno_> ao3
10:58 <stenno_> oh right you were that person
10:59 <Pinkbeast> I still am the same person but I'm not the author of that
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11:20 <stenno_> yes i meant as in that you were the same person
11:20 <stenno_> because thats the first time i've seen ao3 mentioned here on irc lol
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11:37 <introsp3ctive> hello all
11:37 <Beholder> introsp3ctive: Message from @luxidream at 2018-05-29 13:10 EDT: boop
11:39 <stenno_> 2 months old message? :P
11:40 <aosdict> boop
11:41 <introsp3ctive> lol that's how long it's been since I was last in the channel I think
11:41 <introsp3ctive> and that was probably Lux trying to get my attention prior to Junethack to find out if I was going to participate
11:42 <introsp3ctive> damn. weechat is an excellent client!
11:44 <K2> heh
11:44 <K2> heya introsp3ctive
11:50 <K2> !who
11:50 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] k2 [spl] mightyquinn [sp] hypnotist [nh361] Eleven [nh361] picaresquieu [un] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh343] | [hdf-au] No current players
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11:57 <introsp3ctive> K2: hey there!
11:57 <K2> o/
11:57 <K2> so whatcha been up to?
11:58 <introsp3ctive> getting all settled in back in Miami, working a lot, got all moved into a new place, saved up a bit and bought a laptop so I can get back to coding
11:58 <introsp3ctive> other than that, not a whole lot. 
11:58 <introsp3ctive> what about you?
11:59 <K2> work and nethack ;)
11:59 <K2> been to delray beach twice in the last couple months
11:59 <introsp3ctive> oh yeah? how was it?
11:59 <K2> corporate hq. bleh
12:00 <introsp3ctive> lol
12:00 <introsp3ctive> I've never been other than the first time I drove through it on my way down here from DC
12:01 <K2> did a bunch of server room clean up on my last trip
12:01 <K2> was a rats nest
12:01 <K2> *was* ;)
12:02 <introsp3ctive> ugh that gives me anxiety just thinking about it
12:02 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2490 - before
12:02 <K2> and that was just some of it
12:03 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2491 - after
12:03 <introsp3ctive> SO much better
12:03 <introsp3ctive> it looks like a spider's nest before 
12:03 <rld> <@luxidream> The stuff of nightmares
12:03 <Beholder> @luxidream: Message from ais523 at 2018-07-23 21:42 EDT: you probably realised this yourself, but most terminals don't send distinguishable codes for ctrl-numpad; shift-numpad does seem to be parseable, though (as, oddly, does ctrl-shift-numpad), so there's scope for improvement over what we have at the moment, even if less than you might be expecting
12:04 <rld> <@luxidream> shudders
12:04 <K2> heh
12:04 <K2> AND 
12:05 <K2> none of the patch panels or ports in the office were labelled
12:05 <K2> they are now
12:05 <K2> had to tone every single one of them out
12:06 <rld> <@luxidream> intro: welcome back to the land of the living 😃
12:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22986
12:08 <introsp3ctive> oh god what a pain in the ass; that must have taken forever
12:08 <introsp3ctive> luxidream: thank you! it's good to be back
12:08 <introsp3ctive> although does IRC consider itself to be part of the land of the living? I thought this was more a part of the underworld
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12:14 <rld> <@luxidream> I don’t know what IRC considers itself, but I don’t think it’s hell
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12:19 <Guest15001> hello
12:19 <Beholder> Hello Guest15001, Welcome to #hardfought
12:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:24627
12:19 <K2> hi
12:19 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
12:20 <introsp3ctive> purgatory maybe?
12:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] spork (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 758 points, T:2127, killed by a killer bee
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12:26 <aosdict> that would imply that users of IRC want to eventually stop using it
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12:26 <introsp3ctive> what are xNethack and SliceHack?
12:27 <introsp3ctive> Splicehack*
12:27 <aosdict> xNetHack is my 3.6.1 variant!
12:27 <aosdict> splice is another 3.6.1 variant made by AntiGulp/NullCGT
12:27 <aosdict> you should check out their wiki pages
12:31 <introsp3ctive> I'm reading the wiki entry on your variant, aos, and I want to know why you removed Identify.
12:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 1279 points, T:2102, killed by a dwarf
12:32 <darkstarx70> h'lo, all, mi asking stupid qeustions what do i think, ty : )
12:32 <rld> <@luxidream> cause it’s op!!!!
12:32 <[Demo]> to force price iding scrolls probably
12:32 <rld> <@luxidream> (should just be high level imo)
12:32 <K2> because aosdict hates us all
12:33 <introsp3ctive> other than that, I love all of these changes. Especially the changes to quest XL and spell casting success rates.
12:34 <darkstarx70> : x, : P, : ), formidable but no ty too
12:34 <aosdict> identify is removed because once you have it, the whole identification game is basically over 
12:34 <darkstarx70> )..
12:34 <rld> <@luxidream> make it high level enough so the ID game is over anyway
12:34 <aosdict> raising its level wouldn't really help that much, it would just restrict it to wizards
12:35 <rld> <@luxidream> priests can get divination to expert
12:35 <aosdict> note that ?oID is buffed rather a lot
12:35 <rld> <@luxidream> Priest and wizard are the only two classes who can realistically use it in vanilla too
12:35 <aosdict> @luxidream I mean it wouldn't solve the problem of the ID game being broken, it would just shrink the pool of characters who can take advantage of it somewhat.
12:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33516
12:36 <introsp3ctive> But my favorite part of Nethack is when the ID game is finally over LMAO
12:37 <rld> <@luxidream> Level 6 and level 7 spells are pretty much limited to the end of the game
12:37 <rld> <@luxidream> it’s hard to get casting skill high enough prior to this
12:38 <aosdict> not with the other xnethack spell changes
12:39 <rld> <@luxidream> oh I guess you could cast it for 200 pw or something
12:39 <rld> <@luxidream> boring but optimal
12:40 <aosdict> yes. and we want to remove stuff that is boring but optimal
12:41 <aosdict> also you could wield the spellbook to cut it to 100 pw, which puts it in range of a lot more casters... etc etc
12:42 <hothraxxa> introsp3ctive: i don't miss it. i just adjusted my scroll usage a bit. i like the change
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12:48 <hothraxxa> The air elemental turns into an arch-lich!
12:48 <hothraxxa> *facepalm*
12:49 <rld> <@luxidream> just poly engulfed they said
12:49 <rld> <@luxidream> engulfers*
12:49 <aosdict> if only: "You rip out of the engulfing arch-lich! You destroy the arch-lich!"
12:49 <hothraxxa> this is a chameleon. a few turns ago it was a mind flayer. of course now it's right next to me, being a master lich and all
12:50 <PavelB> If it polys into a bad you can just throw more poly at it, right
12:50 <PavelB> ?
12:50 <aosdict> PavelB: if it turns into something with high MR, it will be hard to make another poly work
12:50 <PavelB> Ah
12:50 <hothraxxa> arch lich is mr 90
12:50 <rld> <@luxidream> sounds more like a sandestin than a chameleon
12:51 <rld> <@luxidream> :p
12:51 <hothraxxa> hm. this is mines 9, unlikely for a sandestin but there could be a poly trap about
12:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:12934
12:53 <hothraxxa> it's somewhere else for the moment, he said as he confirmed what a long wand is
12:53 <hothraxxa> of course if it stays a master lich, he'll be right back
12:53 <hothraxxa> The straw golem turns into a gecko!
12:54 <hothraxxa> You kill the gecko!
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12:54 <hothraxxa> no corpse
12:58 <aosdict> sandestins are G_HELL so can't appear in mines
13:03 <introsp3ctive> !who
13:03 <Beholder> introsp3ctive: [hdf-us] k2 [spl] hothraxxa [spl] IceBox [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] Eleven [nh361] picaresquieu [un] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh343] | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361]
13:03 <rld> <@luxidream> can polytraps get you a sandestin though? Idk
13:03 <LarienTelrunya> introsp3ctive: *sweetheart bundle* welcome back!
13:04 <PavelB> wtf is a bundle
13:05 <rld> <@luxidream> an amyism
13:06 <rld> <@luxidream> see: bundlebundlebundle
13:06 <rld> <@luxidream> Beholder should have an !bundle
13:07 <K2> no
13:07 <PavelB> See I still have no idea what bundlebundlebundle is
13:08 <[Demo]> dont ask dont tell
13:10 <PavelB> i'll find out one day
13:10 <LarienTelrunya> PavelB: hang on for a moment ;)
13:11 <LarienTelrunya> PavelB: this is a sweetheart bundle: https://l-userpic.livejournal.com/125618080/72497808 ♥
13:14 <introsp3ctive> LarienTelrunya: Hi there <3. Sometimes I wish your name was still Amy because I have no idea how to spell your new name without reading it very carefully lol
13:14 <LarienTelrunya> heh, it's "Amy Bluescreen" put through an elven name generator
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13:20 <PavelB> I'm not sure how Amy Bluescreen -> LarienTelrunya 
13:20 <PavelB> Unless it's just like a random seed
13:21 <LarienTelrunya> it probably is
13:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 698 points, T:2279, killed by a dwarf zombie, while fainted from lack of food
13:22 <LarienTelrunya> huh wtf the generator changed?! if I input "Amy Bluescreen" now, I get "Larien Isilrá"
13:23 <LarienTelrunya> http://chriswetherell.com/elf is the one I used
13:27 <PavelB> Maybe some new lastnames got added to the algorithm and it threw it off
13:28 <introsp3ctive> Mine is Elessar Anwarünya
13:28 <Pinkbeast> Mine is Bob Johnson, I think I must have got some of those silly motorcycle-riding urban fantasy elves
13:28 <PavelB> nice
13:29 <PavelB> I'm Nápoldë Tinehtelë apparantly
13:29 <PavelB> which is a shitty name IMO
13:29 <LarienTelrunya> Pinkbeast: if I enter your name I get something different: "Elrohir Ciryatan"
13:31 <Pinkbeast> I may have been telling a ridiculous lie
13:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:31144
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13:34 <Grasshopper> !who
13:34 <Beholder> Grasshopper: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] IceBox [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] Eleven [nh361] Luxidream [nh361] picaresquieu [un] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh343] | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361]
13:34 <Grasshopper> nah my connection just dropped
13:34 <Grasshopper> raining...
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13:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27946
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13:44 <Grasshopper> !booze
13:44 * Beholder pours Grasshopper a tall glass of booze, replicated by TheresaMayBot at 394 Kelvin.
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13:45 <aosdict> PavelB: you're Elf Napoleon
13:46 <PavelB> I'm mostly referring to the amount of Unicode
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13:47 <rld> <@bugsniper> !booze
13:47 * Beholder tosses @bugsniper a shot of suds, prayed over by Announcy at 85 degrees Fahrenheit.
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13:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased ring of polymorph control", on T:1025
13:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:34748
13:54 <rld> <@Dracunos> What uses for poly control would make it worth a wish?
13:54 <PavelB> !rng F28 FRawhide OpenSUSE Arch
13:54 <Beholder> PavelB: OpenSUSE
13:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1749
13:58 <rld> <@Tone> Probably only if you have a lot of wishes or are speed running  @Dracunos
14:01 <Grasshopper> #dracunos a desire to eat a lot of jewellery?
14:01 <Grasshopper> @dracunos ^ oops
14:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:3635
14:02 <Grasshopper> but prob not that at T:1025
14:03 <rld> <@Tone> ah you were commenting on someone's wish
14:04 <rld> <@Tone> It would definitely be worth it if it would let you get to the castle wand
14:04 <rld> <@luxidream> had a wand of polymorph
14:04 <rld> <@luxidream> i am running
14:04 <rld> <@luxidream> just died though
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14:23 <rld> <@IceBox> how exactly do attacks work according to the wiki, like for a minotaur
14:23 <rld> <IceBox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/471381852310077441/unknown.png
14:23 <rld> <@IceBox> so do they roll for each of those 3 attack types?
14:23 <rld> <@IceBox> or is it one roll and then all 3 of those happen?
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14:23 <aosdict> each attack rolls separately I think?
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14:24 <rld> <@Tone> Yeah each one is separate
14:24 <rld> <@Tone> And if it says weapon then you add weapon damage on top
14:24 <aosdict> if they miss with one attack, do they still roll for their following attacks?
14:25 <rld> <@IceBox> also if you dont have a stethoscope to check if a monster is sleeping, can you preemptively cast sleep ray again to extend the sleep time?
14:25 <rld> <@IceBox> or does it have to be cast the moment they wake up?
14:25 <rld> <@Tone> I believe so aos but I could be wrong
14:25 <rld> <@Tone> Yeah it has a stacking effect  @IceBox
14:25 <rld> <@IceBox> bitchin
14:26 <rld> <@Tone> It might be diminished though, not sure
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14:28 <rld> <@IceBox> enough to kill a minotaur with my bare hands
14:28 <rld> <@IceBox> *gloved
14:29 <rld> <@Tone> hmm I was curious and the wiki doesn't have any good info on it
14:29 <rld> <@Tone> I'm not 100% sure if it stacks I guess
14:30 <rld> <@Tone> The wand of sleep article doesn't even give a duration
14:31 <rld> <@Tone> "monster falls asleep for 6 to 127 (more) turns (to a maximum of 127 more turns)."
14:31 <rld> <@Tone> That second "more" seems out of place
14:38 <rld> <@Tone> That's for the wand btw, the spell is different
14:40 <introsp3ctive> anyone recommend any good VIM tutorials?
14:40 <[Demo]> vimtutor
14:41 <introsp3ctive> dope I'll check it out
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14:48 <rld> <@IceBox> also this little guy introsp3ctive https://vim-adventures.com/
14:49 <rld> <@IceBox> single biggest thing that helped me (for direction keys) was that "j is down because it looks like an anchor"
14:49 <rld> <@IceBox> all the other keys are intuitive/easy in that regard, but up down didn't have an actual directional reason that i could remember
14:50 <PavelB> hjkl is the easy part
14:50 <PavelB> You know
14:50 <PavelB> NetHack
14:50 <[Demo]> wow finished pokemon omega ruby and the credits are as long as the original
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14:52 <PavelB> Did you get Citra working
14:54 <[Demo]> yeah
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14:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed tinning kit", on T:20683
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15:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2296
15:09 <K2> numpad for the win
15:09 <K2> weirdos
15:09 <[Demo]> sometimes u gotta play on ur small laptop on the go
15:09 <K2> i wont buy a laptop unless it has a keypad
15:10 * LarienTelrunya actually is on a laptop right now... but attached an extra keypad because no numpad means no nethack :P
15:10 <PavelB> That would have to be an awfully big laptop or an uncomfortably tiny keyboard
15:10 <[Demo]> then it is too big for safe portability
15:10 <K2> pfft
15:10 <K2> you just dont want to carry more than 10 lbs
15:10 <aosdict> most medium size laptops don't have a numpad
15:11 <aosdict> and also don't have tiny keyboards
15:11 <[Demo]> even with ur size advantages its less convenient
15:11 * K2 has a medium sized laptop with a keypad
15:11 <rld> <luxidream> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/471393954336735232/ddr.jpg
15:11 <[Demo]> i guess a  15 inch wouldnt be that bad
15:11 <rld> <@luxidream> how to remember vim directions
15:11 <K2> its not
15:12 <[Demo]> sometimes i carry like a 14 inch but usully 12
15:12 <PavelB> K2: What laptop do you have?
15:12 <[Demo]> 17 inch stays home
15:12 <K2> its an asus... i dont recall the model # off the top of my head
15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Val Hum Fem Neu), 61710 points, T:21190, killed by Lord Surtur
15:12 <picaresquieu> Ugh
15:12 <picaresquieu> Lord Surtur, man
15:12 <K2> ouch
15:12 <PavelB> The only computer I have with a keyboard with a numpad is my gaming desktop. But that runs Windows, so no nethack for me.
15:12 <picaresquieu> A ring of regeneration couldn't save me
15:13 <K2> PavelB... you can play nethack online with a windows machine
15:13 <PavelB> I can't stand Putty and building NetHack on Windows is death
15:13 <K2> you know this yeah?
15:13 <picaresquieu> Dammit
15:13 <rld> <@luxidream> I play nethack on windows
15:13 <K2> as do i
15:13 <picaresquieu> I just remembered i had an amulet of life saving
15:13 <picaresquieu> ugh! MC.
15:13 <picaresquieu> Ugh!!!!!!!!
15:13 <picaresquieu> Gonna throw myself off a bridge
15:13 <K2> picaresquieu: i think the phrase you're looking for is FML
15:13 <PavelB> I know I *can* get it working on Windows but it's too much work for me
15:13 <picaresquieu> Yeah there you go
15:14 <rld> <@luxidream> hardfought.org/hterm
15:14 <K2> PavelB it takes all of 60 sec
15:14 <aosdict> it doesn't work in WSL?
15:14 <K2> if that
15:14 <picaresquieu> "MC." is just my phone keyboard misbehaving
15:14 <aosdict> and yeah, windows should be a *lot* easier than linux
15:14 <aosdict> get executable. run executable
15:14 <PavelB> xnethack doesn't have a binary distribution
15:15 <aosdict> how would you like to provide one? I don't have access to a Windows machine
15:16 <picaresquieu> And teleportitis and the means to invoke it
15:16 <K2> run the os in a vm
15:16 <picaresquieu> God i had just endless options
15:16 <picaresquieu> Instead i died trying to occupy the staircase
15:16 <PavelB> As I said earlier, building nethack (or xnh) on Windows is hard
15:16 <picaresquieu> Gonna go throw myself out a window
15:16 <PavelB> I'm fine with just building xnh from source every time on my linux machine
15:19 <[Demo]> like half of ndnh development thus far has been done via hterm
15:20 <stenno> it is too hot
15:20 <stenno> super
15:20 <stenno> hot
15:20 <PavelB> It was 33 degrees yesterday over here
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15:21 <stenno> 34 here
15:21 <stenno> all i do is complain about the weather lol
15:21 <[Demo]> the weather chilled out here and it started raining
15:21 <PavelB> The weather is very complaint-worthy rn
15:21 <stenno> time to eat pizza with 400k scoville hot sauce
15:21 <[Demo]> instead of being like 98 its only 78
15:21 <stenno> how much is that in actual units
15:21 <PavelB> Can we get that in normal unit
15:21 <[Demo]> 100 is hot as fuck
15:21 <stenno> ah
15:21 <[Demo]> 0 is fucking freezing
15:22 <stenno> 0 is freezing for us too
15:22 <PavelB> 98 is 36
15:22 <stenno> and 40 is like super mega hot
15:22 <stenno> oh yeah thats hot
15:22 <rld> <@Dracunos> It's 48.333C here today
15:22 <PavelB> holy shit
15:23 <PavelB> how are you alive
15:23 <rld> <@Dracunos> So quit complaining!
15:23 <rld> <@Dracunos> Air conditioners
15:23 <PavelB> It's actually cold as fuck in the office right now
15:23 <stenno> wat?
15:23 <stenno> where is that, Dracunos 
15:23 <PavelB> But I have a 45 minute walk to/from work
15:23 <stenno> PavelB: why are you in the office at 9pm
15:23 <hothraxxa> demo: if you're speaking f and i think you are, 32 is freezing
15:23 <PavelB> stenno: Because it's 12:30 here
15:23 <[Demo]> 32 is freezing, 0 is fucking freezing
15:23 <[Demo]> like very very cold
15:23 <stenno> oh
15:24 <stenno> 0 is where water turns to ice here
15:24 <hothraxxa> just being clear
15:24 <stenno> and 100 is when water turns to steam
15:24 <rld> <@Dracunos> Palm Springs California
15:24 <stenno> like how it makes actual sense
15:24 <stenno> Dracunos: oh i see
15:24 <stenno> i would die there probably
15:24 <[Demo]> not for weather
15:24 <rld> <@Dracunos> This whole week will be 120ish
15:24 <[Demo]> when does it ever get to 100 celsius in the weather?
15:24 <[Demo]> farenheit works so much better for describing weather
15:25 <rld> <@luxidream> 118 F has to be some kind of heat advisory
15:25 <rld> <@Dracunos> Haven't you heard of mercury
15:25 <hothraxxa> the scale was not intended for weather
15:25 <rld> <@Dracunos> Yeah we get heat advisory constantly
15:25 <[Demo]> cause 0 is usually around the lowest possible and 100 is usually around the highest possible and going beyond really really sucks
15:25 <hothraxxa> also, f only makes sense when you're used to it
15:25 <rld> <@luxidream> how do you go outside without dying
15:25 <rld> <@Dracunos> Even 100 is heat advisory
15:25 <rld> <@Dracunos> I run between air conditioned places
15:25 <stenno> we get like -15 or so in the winter
15:25 <rld> <@Dracunos> Everyone here is constantly running
15:26 <stenno> i guess PavelB will get it much colder
15:26 <rld> <@Dracunos> You look outside, you see nobody, except like one or two people running to their next destination
15:26 <PavelB> Nah
15:26 <hothraxxa> range here is about -30 to +30
15:26 <stenno> Dracunos: whats your humidity?
15:26 <hothraxxa> it exceeds a bit in both directions sometimes
15:26 <stenno> -30 :|
15:26 <stenno> are you in the north
15:26 <PavelB> I don't think it ever goes much below -5 here
15:26 <stenno> like norway
15:26 <stenno> oh
15:26 <stenno> oh wait you are in the US, right
15:26 <PavelB> Ye
15:26 <stenno> somehow i thought you were in poland
15:26 <stenno> or russia
15:26 <rld> <@Dracunos> It's supposed to be really dry here but all the golf courses and stuff make it a little worse
15:26 <K2> nyet
15:26 <PavelB> lol
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15:27 <PavelB> I am Russian though
15:27 <stenno> gotcha
15:27 <stenno> na ztrovie
15:27 <PavelB> If I was Polish it would be spelled Pawel, I think.
15:27 <stenno> right
15:27 <stenno> or czech
15:27 <rld> <@Dracunos> It's only 11% right now, when it gets this hot it usually goes way down
15:27 <hothraxxa> are you now or have you ever colluded with the current president of the united states?
15:27 <stenno> oh whoa thats super low
15:27 <aosdict> stenno: I thought hothraxxa was canadian?
15:28 <rld> <@Dracunos> 11% is still too high
15:28 <K2> rofl
15:28 <hothraxxa> i is
15:28 <stenno> we have 30% here
15:28 <K2> welcome to the united states of russia
15:28 <stenno> in hong kong its like 85% zomg
15:28 <stenno> and in japan it can get 85% too
15:28 <PavelB> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ag25FZ43/image.png
15:28 <stenno> i swear man if you have 35 degree and 85% humidity its like a sauna
15:28 <rld> <@Dracunos> Yeah I don't do humidity
15:28 <PavelB> IDK how to interpret humidity tbh
15:28 <hothraxxa> humidity is about 70 in the apartment today. dehumidifier can't keep up
15:28 <rld> <@Dracunos> The mornings here can be bad enough, it's still like a hundred in the morning
15:29 <[Demo]> 89% humidity today lol
15:29 <stenno> PavelB: nice
15:29 <stenno> [Demo]: what the fuck
15:29 <[Demo]> thats not unusual
15:29 <[Demo]> summers here are hot and humid
15:30 <[Demo]> today is one of the better days because at least the temperature is low
15:30 <[Demo]> but at least we usually avoid droughts most summers
15:30 <hothraxxa> hm. outside humidity is 74%. i should just shut down the humidifier and open everything up
15:30 <PavelB> We have lame weather
15:30 <stenno> we have normal weather
15:30 <stenno> with normal temperature and normal humidity
15:30 <PavelB> 50% of the time it's just meh and 50% of the time it's raining
15:31 <PavelB> It doesn't like rain super hard or anything
15:31 <PavelB> It just doesn't stop
15:31 <hothraxxa> sounds like pac nw
15:32 <PavelB> I was in Chicago not too long ago and it started raining absolutely horribly. In the 15 minutes it took me to get back to my hotel, I was completely soaked. But the rain only lasted like 30 minutes, so I could have totally just waited it out like everyone else.
15:32 <PavelB> I just assumed that since it was now raining, I was screwed and had to deal with.
15:33 <PavelB> That said, it has literally never rained that hard back in Seattle in my entire life. 
15:33 <aosdict> yesterday I was biking to an appointment and got caught in a downpour that lasted 5 minutes
15:33 <aosdict> the weather these past few days has been weird like that
15:34 <rld> <@luxidream> I live in oklahoma, so it's just been hot these days. zzzz
15:34 <rld> <@luxidream> it might be a while before anything interesting happens
15:35 <PavelB> In Seattle, you can tell who the tourists are by the fact that they carry umbrellas. All the natives just wear a raincoat. I'm not really sure why though.
15:35 <hothraxxa> do you have a surrey with a fringe on top?
15:35 <K2> @luxidream whereabout? i grew up in oklahoma
15:35 <hothraxxa> do you have a surrey with a fringe on top?
15:35 <PavelB> I don't know what that means.
15:35 <rld> <@luxidream> K2: south OKC. I live in norman now though
15:35 <rld> <@luxidream> college
15:35 <K2> hah
15:36 <K2> i grew up in ponca but i lived in okc and norman for a bit
15:36 <hothraxxa> PavelB: it's a line in a song from the musical oklahoma
15:36 <hothraxxa> actually it's a whole song
15:36 <PavelB> Huh
15:36 <rld> <@luxidream> oh I didn't recognize it lol
15:37 <hothraxxa> https://youtu.be/BIG_GVE-KiE
15:37 <hothraxxa> if you can handle it
15:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 740 points, T:1904, killed by a cave spider, while fainted from lack of food
15:38 <rld> <@luxidream> i think I was forced to watch this at some point in my life
15:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:29224
15:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:29254
15:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:29255
15:43 <stenno> i never was in america
15:43 <stenno> i mean the whole continent
15:44 <aosdict> luxidream: isn't it your state song?
15:44 <stenno> asia, africa and europe tho
15:45 <aosdict> think of all the eclipses you've missed in the western hemisphere
15:46 <stenno> shrug
15:46 <stenno> cuba must be nice
15:48 <stenno> also i could visit new brunswik because i am from actual brunswik
15:49 <stenno> and then claim the territory there and annouce that everything belongs to me because i am from actual brunswik
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15:50 <stenno> i think thats how those conclaves work
15:52 <rld> <@luxidream> aosdict: no, it's Oklahoma! and I have purged all my memory of that song from elementary school
15:52 <K2> ooooooooooooooooooklahoma, where the wind goes sweeping down the plains
15:52 <K2> sing it
15:53 <K2> SING IT!!
15:53 <stenno> isn't oklahoma basically desert
15:53 <K2> no
15:53 <K2> grassland
15:53 <stenno> dust bowl thingy
15:53 <stenno> ah
15:53 <K2> wheat fields and oil derricks as far as the eye can see hah
15:54 <K2> eastern part of the state has more trees though
15:54 <rld> <@luxidream> accurate
15:56 <raisse> I've been in North America but that was Canada, never in the US
15:56 <raisse> otherwise only in Europe
15:57 <stenno> i was in japan twice, and in marrakesh and the canary islands
15:57 <stenno> and a lot in europe of course
15:58 <[Demo]> america best
15:59 <stenno> yeah cuba maybe
16:10 <PavelB> I've never been to Europe, but I want to
16:11 <PavelB> Specifically, the Netherlands and Sweden.
16:12 <rld> <@Dracunos> Magic lamp in Rodney tower, how nice of him to leave that on the floor for me
16:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Rx (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3722
16:13 <darkstarx70> hallo, M sadly new right here #hardfought : )
16:13 <PavelB> o/
16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:38478
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16:13 <rld> <@Tone> Welcome
16:13 <MrSirLogan> Hey
16:13 <Beholder> Hello MrSirLogan, Welcome to #hardfought
16:13 <MrSirLogan> How are you guys today?
16:14 <raisse> PavelB: if you come to the Netherlands I can meet you somewhere and show you around :-)
16:14 <PavelB> Maybe :P
16:15 <stenno> germany is nice too
16:15 <raisse> agree
16:15 <rld> <@Dracunos> We are good.. I'm about to start end game for the third time
16:15 <stenno> but if i haven't been in both yet i'd probably choose netherlands lol
16:16 <raisse> and belgium is nice too!
16:16 <rld> <@luxidream> !who
16:16 <Beholder> @luxidream: [hdf-us] Eleven [nh361] IceBox [nh361] MrSirLogan [nh361] Rx [nh361] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
16:16 <PavelB> TBH I do want to go to Germany but my family keeps insisting there's nothing to do there and I'm not sure how to convince them they're wrong.
16:16 <stenno> especially bruges :P
16:16 <stenno> as mentioned
16:16 <rld> <@luxidream> @Dracunos play on server :p
16:16 <darkstarx70> X0s4
16:17 <darkstarx70> :x
16:17 <rld> <@Dracunos> I already have a win on server
16:17 <darkstarx70> idk, lol
16:18 <darkstarx70> splatters
16:18 <rld> <@Dracunos> I would like to fork this nethack android port to connect to ssh, that would be cool
16:18 <rld> <@Dracunos> I'm assuming it's one of those things that becomes way more complicated than initially thought though
16:19 <rld> <@Dracunos> And I don't know java
16:21 <darkstarx70> that work
16:21 <rld> <@luxidream> we don't even have tilesets working for server
16:21 <rld> <@luxidream> yet
16:21 <rld> <@Dracunos> Yeah it would be ascii only
16:22 <rld> <@Dracunos> The creator was thinking about adding online support to nao when they added the tile data thing, but I guess that didn't happen
16:22 <rld> <@luxidream> there's tile support for 3.4.3 NAO
16:23 <rld> <@Dracunos> But I don't need tiles
16:24 <rld> <@luxidream> yeah, I'm just talking. I think it would get a lot of people on board if it did
16:24 <rld> <@luxidream> not that I have the knowledge to accomplish this
16:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 1292 points, T:1708, killed by a giant ant
16:25 <MrSirLogan> hahaha, just killed the shop keep and an ant appears
16:26 <darkstarx70> wow where am i from, where am i on this... no problem !hm yes and no, no comment ~~~~~~~************
16:27 <darkstarx70> wherrr IS ohio lol X: excuse me pls
16:27 <darkstarx70> ignored both areas
16:28 <MrSirLogan> hey can anyone tell me how to set up curses properly?
16:28 <darkstarx70> """"""" yesh :P
16:28 <rld> <@Tone> !rc tonelive
16:29 <aosdict> MrSirLogan: stand in front of a lich and say "Hit me with all you got!"
16:29 <rld> <@Tone> Wasn't sure if Beholder did that or not
16:29 <aosdict> !rc tonelive
16:29 <aosdict> !rc tonelive nh361
16:30 <rld> <@Tone> MrSirLogan I have curses options in my config file if you care to find it
16:30 <rld> <@Tone> The wiki also has an article on it that would give more detail
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16:30 <MrSirLogan> I'll dig around see what I can find
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16:31 <rld> <@luxidream> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/toneLive/nh361/toneLive.nh361rc
16:31 <rld> <@luxidream> luckily, I recently stole some things from it
16:31 <rld> <@luxidream> thanks @Tone
16:32 <stenno> got statuscolors now?
16:32 <rld> <@Tone> Thanks lux
16:32 <rld> <@luxidream> lol yes
16:32 <rld> <@luxidream> and stop messages
16:32 <stenno> top
16:32 <stenno> ah nice
16:32 <rld> <@luxidream> so I don't faint on asc run again
16:32 <[Demo]> dont die ever
16:33 <rld> <@Tone> Those status colors I got from FalseLobster, I was updating them the other day because they are a little overkill for me
16:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Rx (Hea Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5008
16:33 <rld> <@luxidream> only grabbed the one for hunger
16:33 <rld> <@luxidream> I like the way NH4 does it
16:33 <rld> <@Tone> ah haha
16:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Rx (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 3303 points, T:5019, killed by a bolt of cold
16:33 <rld> <@luxidream> it changes the entire color of your frame
16:33 <rld> <@Tone> Oh for message stops?
16:34 <rld> <@Tone> Or hunger?
16:34 <rld> <@luxidream> both. so you know something is going down
16:35 <rld> <@Tone> Curses gives a stronger warning too I think
16:35 <stenno> can you do hitpointbar with curses?
16:35 <rld> <@Tone> Yes
16:36 <rld> <@Tone> Curses is mildly buggy with 361 though
16:36 <rld> <@Tone> Well it's mostly the inventory ID thing
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16:36 <rld> <@Tone> I had some other issues though, like if you only have one message line displayed then it will skip messages
16:37 <rld> <@Tone> Leads to things like wands of cancelation looking like no message wands
16:38 <stenno> wot?
16:38 <stenno> ow
16:39 <rld> <@luxidream> so have it big enough is what you're saying?
16:39 <rld> <@Tone> Technically I should have noticed "what would you like to engrave" instead of "what would you like to add to the engraving"
16:39 <rld> <@Tone> Or whatever the messages are
16:39 <rld> <@Tone> @luxidream yeah I have 5 lines now
16:41 <rld> <@Tone> Also whenever an animation occurs (ranged attack) my armor menu comes up
16:42 <rld> <@Tone> as if pressing [
16:42 <rld> <@Tone> Something to do with the terminal input
16:42 <rld> <@Tone> Either armor or options I think
16:44 <MrSirLogan> Thanks for the help fellas, have a good one
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16:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 17904 points, T:10921, quit
16:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 98 points, T:443, killed by a sewer rat
16:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9
16:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Kni Hum Mal Law), 37 points, T:283, killed by a sewer rat
17:06 <aosdict> @luxidream would you mind adding edit reasons to your edits unless it's for trivial stuff? It makes it a headache for people looking at page history later.
17:06 <rld> <@luxidream> ah sorry
17:06 <rld> <@luxidream> I’ll stop being lazy
17:09 <rld> <@luxidream> lot of those were bumping to to 3.6.1
17:14 <stenno> are you an admin, aosdict ?
17:15 <stenno> er that was a normal question, not like, 'you are only allowed to tell him if you're an admin'
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17:20 <aosdict> stenno: wiki admin yes
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17:20 <stenno> oh yes you are
17:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9277
17:26 <rld> <@luxidream> aosdict: would it be possible to add a “play nethack now” on the front page with links to public server hterms
17:27 <stenno> i am thinking about applying for /r/nethack admin
17:27 <rld> <@luxidream> a common thing I’ve heard is that nethack doesn’t encourage online play as much
17:27 <rld> <@luxidream> might as well start on the wiki
17:28 <stenno> given that that is actually nowadays the community i am most active in
17:28 <aosdict> the problem I can see with that is that there are technically too many public servers for that, and if everyone wants a piece of the pie then it wouldn't be sustainable
17:28 <aosdict> also the main page layout is rather fragile last I checked
17:28 <rld> <@luxidream> stenno: most of the admins on there are inactive, aren’t they?
17:28 <stenno> yeah thats why
17:28 <stenno> doyoumind is awol now for a few years
17:29 <aosdict> Maybe could add what you're asking for above the News box
17:29 <stenno> skeeto is still active
17:30 <stenno> cryogen has a 9-year badge, not bad
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17:31 <rld> <@luxidream> Aosdict: how many of those servers are actually still active and have a browser terminal?
17:32 <rld> <@luxidream> nao hdf esm ascrun
17:32 <PavelB> haven't heard of esm
17:32 <rld> <@luxidream> em.slashem.me
17:33 <PavelB> Ah
17:33 <rld> <@luxidream> Seems to be the only place you can play vanilla slashem on server
17:34 <PavelB> K2 said he's working on that though
17:35 <rld> <@luxidream> I’m not surprised
17:36 <rld> <@luxidream> Hardfought wants to be the most inclusive public server
17:36 <stenno> it was really telling that last junethack we had all variants on the same server
17:36 <PavelB> I *do* think it was a bit weird that Slash 'Em wasn't present for JNH though.
17:37 <rld> <@luxidream> I don’t think it even has dumplogs
17:37 <rld> <@luxidream> much less xlogfile stuff
17:37 <PavelB> Ah
17:37 <stenno> thats a question that already came up when we did the first one in 2011
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17:40 <rld> <@luxidream> I think the only reason people still play it is probably the wiki
17:40 <rld> <@luxidream> with its snippets of slashem information everywhere
17:41 <bhaak> I emailed with the admin of the old slashem public server and would also have supplied a slashem patch but he didn't have time to do it
17:41 <PavelB> Does anyone maintain it?
17:43 <rld> <@luxidream> which I’m not really clear what to do with. A lot of it is clutter at this point, and if there was strategy information on every variant, every page would be huge
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17:44 <rld> <@luxidream> so I’m probably letting lie for the near future, unless aosdict has any ideas
17:44 <rld> <@Dracunos> Do silver sabers come fooproof already?
17:44 <rld> <@Dracunos> I think I wasted two enchant weapons on it :p
17:44 <rld> <@luxidream> silver can’t be rusted or corroded
17:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Bin Orc Fem Non), 750 points, T:2046, killed by shredding of the soul
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17:50 <rld> <@Dracunos> Oh well, I'm in good shape with scrolls and markers, tons of Holy water, but sadly lacking in alchemy ingredients, I think I misidentified gain energy :(
17:51 <rld> <@Dracunos> Not that it matters, the game is pretty much over
17:52 <rld> <@Dracunos> Only found one gain level this time, that's what is bothersome
17:52 <rld> <@luxidream> because of quest or...?
17:53 <rld> <@Dracunos> Yeah used it for quest, and seen a lot of monsters drinking them :p
17:53 <rld> <@Dracunos> But it doesn't matter anyway, I never found any unholy water this game
17:53 <rld> <@Dracunos> I just realized.. I wouldn't be able to curse them
17:53 <rld> <@luxidream> you can use fountains to make unholy water
17:54 <rld> <@Dracunos> It was never really necessary, plenty of cursed scrolls.. Maybe if I had gain level I would
17:54 <rld> <@Dracunos> Going up gehenom is going to be more annoying than usual
18:00 <PavelB> !who
18:00 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] bouquet [spl] monstergrin [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
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18:09 <rld> <@Dracunos> It is so damn hot..
18:10 <rld> <@IceBox> where you from drac? part of that east coast eat wave?
18:10 <rld> <@Dracunos> It's weird, the numbers don't seem to matter, it's been like 123 and didn't feel as awful as it feels today at 119
18:10 <rld> <@Dracunos> Palm Springs
18:10 <rld> <@IceBox> also what should my weapon plan be for gehennom as a monk? start trying to get sac gifts and use a *brand or something?
18:10 <rld> <@IceBox> jesus that's too hot
18:10 <rld> <@IceBox> get outta there
18:10 <rld> <@luxidream> what alignment?
18:10 <rld> <@IceBox> cha
18:11 <rld> <@IceBox> should i enchant the hell out of my gear, go with no body armor and use the silver saber i found at unskilled?
18:11 <rld> <@luxidream> would there happen to be a silver spear
18:12 <rld> <@IceBox> not one that i've found, and i think i've been watching out for one
18:12 <rld> <@Dracunos> Polypiling to the rescue!
18:12 <rld> <@luxidream> you can try sacfesting, there’s a chance you get garbage though
18:12 <rld> <@IceBox> yeah got orcrist for the 3rd game in a row
18:13 <rld> <@IceBox> yeah polypiling is an option
18:13 <rld> <@IceBox> the armory in castle has got stuff
18:13 <rld> <@IceBox> silver spear highly enchanted would be good though?
18:15 <rld> <@Dracunos> Takes a while but split and name all the ammo, should get every weapon in the game :p
18:15 <rld> <@luxidream> yeah it’ll work.
18:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 174 points, T:1083, killed by an arrow
18:15 <monstergrin> lmfao
18:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:30823
18:16 <monstergrin> level 1 binder is a chore
18:16 <monstergrin> running away from a small mimic, stepped right into an arrow trap
18:16 <monstergrin> amazing
18:16 <rld> <@IceBox> oof man poly piling seems a pain
18:16 <rld> <@IceBox> i need to find out the way to quickly split things
18:16 <rld> <@IceBox> or as quickly as possible
18:16 <rld> <@luxidream> #adjust
18:16 <rld> <@luxidream> name
18:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:30828
18:17 <rld> <@luxidream> repeat
18:18 <rld> <@IceBox> hmmm, i must not be following, Lux
18:18 <rld> <@IceBox> with a stack of 9 shuriken for example
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18:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:30834
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18:19 <rld> <@luxidream> #adjust 1p
18:20 <rld> <@luxidream> If p is your shuriken letters
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18:23 <rld> <@IceBox> not figuring it out, maybe a curses bug?
18:24 <rld> <@IceBox> yep curses bug
18:25 <rld> <@IceBox> !tell Tangles I'm only telling you this because i saw Tone reporting bugs to you, but curses doesn't allow for splitting stacks of items with the #adjust command
18:25 <Beholder> Will do, @IceBox!
18:25 <darkstarx70> * typical
18:25 <rld> <@Tone> I don't think it will help if you are just dropping into a pile anyways
18:25 <rld> <@IceBox> apparently it reduces the merging chances when polypiling or something
18:25 <darkstarx70> lol : )
18:26 <rld> <@luxidream> That’s why you name after wards @Tone
18:27 <rld> <@Tone> ah, didn't realize that was implied 😄
18:27 <aosdict> @luxidream "unless aosdict has any ideas" <-- regarding strategy sections?
18:28 <darkstarx70> even spring cleaning a better time {{x-d}} well i wrote excuse m right away simply almost here myself u' seem nice... trin
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18:28 <rld> <@Tone> Is that a markov chain or something?
18:28 <darkstarx70> sor
18:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 120 points, T:1020, killed by a jackal
18:29 <AntiGulp> aosdict: I found a bug in xnethack when I was porting object materials. The wish parser does not parse requests for silver or gold rings correctly, since it reads the descriptor as a material.
18:29 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from aosdict at 2018-07-23 20:50 EDT: should minor angels (or infernals) really leave corpses?
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18:31 <darkstarx70> no it like a asked her for a nice iplement after, and a old curry byt the fridge.. blargh.. not pretty
18:31 <rld> <@luxidream> aosdict: yeah the slashem sections
18:31 <darkstarx70> lol : )
18:32 <rld> <@luxidream> they’re really inconsistent
18:32 <rld> <@luxidream> They range from half the article to “these are the same in slashem”
18:35 <darkstarx70> )..
18:36 <rld> <@luxidream> Now that we have more variants than one, I don’t know if huge sections of an article should be devoted to a variant when most variants these days keep changes on their respective variant pages
18:37 <rld> <@Tone> Some pages like Vlad's Tower have an entire Variants section
18:38 <darkstarx70> its alot too much with that component finally integrated in all , when its scary how little.. but why. cut the section and stand OO"
18:38 <rld> <@luxidream> can someone kick this guy^
18:39 <hothraxxa> antigulp: wtf is up with identify scrolls? i read a blessed one and i get a prompt "What type of non-artifact object do you wish to learn the history of?"
18:40 <hothraxxa> no idea what to respond
18:40 <[Demo]> ask it for like deep fried oreos
18:40 <[Demo]> cause those are really food
18:40 <AntiGulp> hothraxxa: It’s a scroll of knowledge. The prompt is poorly written. Basically, you can identify the appearance of any item you choose (or vice versa). Their coding is pretty messy, I need to do a rewrite.
18:41 <AntiGulp> They’re pretty rare.
18:41 <hothraxxa> so what should i say?
18:41 <[Demo]> riding boots?
18:41 <rld> <@luxidream> @Tone I was thinking more along the lines of the Valkyrie article
18:41 <hothraxxa> they're also cheap, which is how i misidentified it 
18:41 <AntiGulp> Speed boots? Scrolls of amnesia?
18:41 <hothraxxa> hmm
18:41 <rld> <@luxidream> Look at the size of that slashem section
18:42 <darkstarx70> LOL trouble appreciate..! can not X)
18:42 <AntiGulp> @hothraxxa If you have a magic marker you can use it to ID genocide or something.
18:43 <darkstarx70> very limited and intelligent
18:43 <[Demo]> opendak begone
18:43 <rld> <@Tone> yeah the variant sections are quite lengthy on some pages
18:43 <hothraxxa> i got ring of slow digestion (because i thought i had one) and scroll of charging, which it turn out i do have
18:43 <darkstarx70> !F !0
18:43 <darkstarx70> bads
18:44 <rld> <@Tone> It's never bothered me since it's at the bottom of the page, but it does seem to be handled somewhat inconsistently across the wiki
18:45 <rld> <@Dracunos> @IceBox The best way I found so far.. is I use three stacks for polypiling, they are next to a wall, I stand one spot away, name the stack 1, throw the weapon sw, throw another s, throw a third se in a way that they land on your stacks of course.. Then name the stack 2, and repeat until the stack is all laid out
18:45 <rld> <@Dracunos> so essentially you are naming once per three items
18:46 <rld> <@luxidream> poly reaches four stacks
18:46 <rld> <@Dracunos> Yeah, I just use three, it's been working fine for me, and it's a little easier to manage
18:46 <rld> <@luxidream> but that’s a clever idea
18:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:42340
18:46 <rld> <@Dracunos> I generally am poly-ing such a large number of items I don't worry about the losses
18:47 <rld> <@luxidream> fortunately polypiling weapons is a rare occasion
18:47 <rld> <@Dracunos> I just did it for a silver saber, and it was worth
18:47 <rld> <@Dracunos> My tolerance for that kind of stuff is high though :p
18:48 <darkstarx70> just lost my edu track... mm not wise
18:51 <darkstarx70> and th strangest chill things sem to be found again ..
18:51 <[Demo]> this creature ^ should be a slex monster
18:51 <darkstarx70> so if anybody know xbox c routines i am lookin or some OO'
18:53 <AntiGulp> My theory is that slex’s monst.c file is like the book of destiny or something. Everything that exists, has existed, or will one day exist appears in there somewhere.
18:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:13
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18:55 <MrSirLogan> hey fellas
18:55 <rld> <@luxidream> TLar give me your luck 😦
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18:56 <rld> <@Tone> haha
18:56 <rld> <@Tone> When I was reviewing Maud's first speed ascension on NAO, they got two early wands of wishing in 16 games or so
18:57 <darkstarx70> yeah because it real like it
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18:57 <darkstarx70> o still here
18:58 <rld> <@Tone> I actually don't know if it's possible to use that particular speed ascension strat without getting lucky and finding one because those were the only remotely successful attempts
18:58 <ais523> if you can go fast without a wand of wishing, you can go even faster with one
18:58 <rld> <@Tone> It was a neutral monk strat that involved a polyself kit and orb of fate
18:59 <rld> <@luxidream> polyself kit + pickaxe should be enough, right?
18:59 <monstergrin> hey gang whats the deal with darkstar, is that a bot or...?
18:59 <rld> <@Tone> I'm talking turn-based ascension btw
18:59 <darkstarx70> how r u' : ) waves /heart
19:00 <darkstarx70> i am fabulous
19:00 <monstergrin> oh cool you passed a reverse turing test
19:00 <monstergrin> nice
19:00 <rld> <@Tone> @luxidream He wished for polyself and the orb of fate for levelport to get to the castle wand
19:00 <rld> <@luxidream> ❤ 👋
19:00 <darkstarx70> well sigh i am from macfilez tbh
19:01 <monstergrin> i dont know what that means
19:01 <rld> <@Tone> Then wished for an amulet of unchanging and ring of regen and played through the game as a Jabberwock
19:02 <rld> <@luxidream> Can jabberwocks hold shields?
19:02 <rld> <@luxidream> Where did his reflection come from
19:02 <rld> <@Tone> Yes shield of reflection I think
19:02 <rld> <@Tone> oh speed boots were one of the first wishes too
19:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:18
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19:04 <rld> <@luxidream> what did he do on runs without the WoW
19:04 <rld> <@luxidream> lose?
19:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:28
19:04 <rld> <@luxidream> Surely he had a couple runs where he made it to the castle wand
19:04 <rld> <@luxidream> and won relatively quickly
19:05 <rld> <@Tone> yeah the two WoW speed runs were the only ones he didn't scum out of
19:05 <darkstarx70> xm many sustenance not fast enough but yeah i had to explain it to them... y know da
19:05 <rld> <@luxidream> also a wish for gops
19:05 <rld> <@luxidream> I’m triggered
19:05 <rld> <@Tone> otherwise he'd race to level 5 or so and if he didn't find anything useful he'd #quit
19:05 <rld> <@Dracunos> I've had gop for a few ascensions and I barely even noticed them :p
19:05 <rld> <@Dracunos> But one thing I think is undervalued around here
19:06 <rld> <@Dracunos> helm of telepathy is great, if I had a couple spare wishes and enough markers I'd definitely wish for helm of telepathy, it's so convenient
19:06 <rld> <@Tone> @luxidream He's had plenty of speed runs without a WoW but I don't know how he pulls off that particular setup without one
19:06 <darkstarx70> totally aceptd... however viral deadly or lethalappears in ma bod ecosystem bad sign
19:07 <darkstarx70> :x
19:07 <Tangles> darkstarx70: Are you a bot? Consider your answer carefully.
19:07 <Beholder> Tangles: Message from @IceBox at 2018-07-24 18:25 EDT: I'm only telling you this because i saw Tone reporting bugs to you, but curses doesn't allow for splitting stacks of items with the #adjust command
19:07 <darkstarx70> not i am a human warlock
19:07 <darkstarx70> oooo
19:08 <darkstarx70> i am weird if u want me to leave i understand.. but have nowehre to go now
19:08 <MrSirLogan> http://puu.sh/B2vl6/7323816bd5.png hey so I used Tone's curses config and everything is just a mess, am I missing something?
19:08 <darkstarx70> my ms fully aware soon x-d}}
19:09 <darkstarx70> cause i am gone long time now
19:09 <rld> <@luxidream> @Dracunos arguably worse than gops
19:09 <rld> <@luxidream> Why do you need extrinsic telepathy
19:09 <rld> <@Dracunos> It's extremely convenient, it's really nice on astral too
19:09 <rld> <@Dracunos> Because I don't want to press Pt then Rt over and over again
19:10 <rld> <@Dracunos> Especially once I get warning, and all these annoying question marks are hanging around, and the 'danger level' of them rarely corresponds to actual danger level
19:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:37197
19:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37198
19:12 <darkstarx70> i oftn like maggi watch tv .. with commercials.. music be ma life
19:12 <darkstarx70> oh my my .. again
19:13 <rld> <@luxidream> I’m in kind of the opposite boat as you - I think the helm of telepathy is really helpful early on but gets less useful later
19:13 <rld> <@Dracunos> gehenom, not having to worry about that monster right around the corner being an R or h or something and checking telepathy every time
19:13 <Tangles> MrSirLogan: That doesn't look like curses.
19:13 <rld> <@Dracunos> I tele right when I enter the level, but not really wanting to try to keep track of where that disenchanter is so when I take corners he doesn't pop right up on me or something
19:14 <Tangles> but it looks like you have DECGraphics configured when you need IBMgraphics, or vice-versa.
19:14 <rld> <@luxidream> genocide R
19:14 <darkstarx70> in this time often to asnwer question with question yes dear . this apv be in zone > . <
19:14 <rld> <@Dracunos> I do
19:14 <rld> <@Dracunos> There's also mind flayers, the little baby ones
19:14 <rld> <@Dracunos> I don't genocide those when I'm a dwarf
19:14 <rld> <@Tone> MrSirLogan:  Did you take more of my config file or just the curses section?
19:15 <rld> <@Dracunos> I know it's rare, but I end up checking telepathy all the time, it's just my play style at the moment I guess, and HOT alleviates that
19:15 <rld> <@Tone> I have IBMgraphics enabled so that could have messed up your display if you took that line
19:15 <MrSirLogan> @Tangles Yeah I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, I took everything in there and copied it into my RCedit
19:15 <rld> <@luxidream> I would wish for a marker in that case, but that’s just me
19:15 <rld> <@Tone> ah
19:16 <rld> <@Dracunos> Markers are higher priority, but after I've gotten like four or five of them I'm ready for some convenience wishes :p
19:16 <rld> <@luxidream> you are a very lucky man
19:16 <darkstarx70> i cannot idle if u are watching putin gone g20 un conf object.. and barely wunderbach again.. but u understand me?
19:17 <Tangles> MrSirLogan: Which server?
19:17 <rld> <@luxidream> It’s rare for me to get two
19:17 <rld> <@Dracunos> Conduct says I'm at 11 wishes, and my last last game had about 11 also, and 3 more wow charges :p
19:17 <MrSirLogan> US
19:17 <rld> <@Dracunos> Don't remember what my online game did
19:17 <darkstarx70> )..
19:17 <rld> <@Tone> Your rc file looks default still
19:17 <rld> <@Tone> It does have curses enabled though
19:17 <rld> <@luxidream> please explain where the wishes come from
19:17 <darkstarx70> that cannot be
19:18 <rld> <@Dracunos> In this game I have found a total of four magic lamps
19:18 <rld> <@Dracunos> I'm using one for light though
19:18 <darkstarx70> wine yes
19:18 <darkstarx70> *wind yes
19:18 <rld> <@Dracunos> and the castle wow, and then got one from vlad's throne or something
19:18 <rld> <@Dracunos> The first game I think I found a wand of wishing like one or two levels before castle
19:19 <MrSirLogan> Okay so I coppied only the curses bit of your config and got this http://puu.sh/B2vMH/b619963735.png
19:19 <darkstarx70> neneni.. much mustard and cheer. O.O worthy yeah hmmm 
19:20 <[Demo]> i really relate to this guy deep down
19:20 <Tangles> MrSirLogan: You have windowtype:tty at the top, then windowtype:curses further down. you need to remove or comment the tty one if you want curses.
19:21 <rld> <@Dracunos> On my online game I only used 5 wishes apparently, and one of them was a fake wish
19:21 <rld> <@Dracunos> And this was wish orcish helm
19:21 <rld> <@Dracunos> My current game I got the helm through polypiling anyway though
19:21 <rld> <@Dracunos> those 11 wishes were all wasted on cursed genociding tengus like six or more times and giving up and wishing for the ring :p
19:21 <Tangles> MrSirLogan: also, take care with perm_invent on 3.6.1. It's buggy.
19:22 <MrSirLogan> Alright, thanks for the help guys. Your the best
19:22 <Tangles> We should backport the fixes from 3.6.2beta for that stuff.
19:22 <darkstarx70> very respcted @ *Wipes Feet
19:22 <Tangles> no worries MrSirLogan 
19:22 <darkstarx70> unbelievable
19:23 <Tangles> darkstarx70: What is your first language>
19:23 <Tangles> ?
19:24 <darkstarx70> english is my second language, russni, and latin the 3d
19:24 <Tangles> I did not ask what your second language was, and I'm pretty sure Latin was not your first.
19:25 <darkstarx70> i feel my dc sneaks as skaters but now got globes and took my eyebrow piercing out and tongue bar. twas a mistake and a bad trip
19:25 <darkstarx70> so the uber has left
19:27 <darkstarx70> i dont deal with prenatal peer pressure at my age now, not young anymore. butt m busy and i do... piles up alright yes sir
19:27 <darkstarx70> why?
19:28 -!- darkstarx70 was kicked from #hardfought by Tangles [come back when your AI improves enough to stay on topic]
19:29 <rld> <@luxidream> darkstarx70: do you know what nethack is
19:30 <introsp3ctive> lol 
19:30 <Tangles> too late, luxi
19:30 <rld> <@luxidream> did he leave?
19:30 <Tangles> Anyway I have to go to work. Have fun guys.
19:30 <rld> <@Tone> see ya Tangles
19:31 <rld> <@luxidream> bye tangles
19:31 <introsp3ctive> Later Tangles
19:31 <Tangles> @IceBox: I did not know about the stack splitting thing (that curses behaviour was different to tty), I'll try to smash through a few curses bugs tonight.
19:32 <ais523> hmm, darkstar is more coherent than the average chatbot but much less coherent than the average person
19:32 <ais523> so "particularly good bot" seems like a decent guess
19:32 <ais523> and if it is a real person, they're probably not adding much to the conversation anyway
19:32 <Tangles> @luxidream: I kicked him (I forgot that you don't get the channel control messages)
19:32 <rld> <@luxidream> what’s the purpose of these chatbots
19:32 <rld> <@luxidream> ok lol
19:33 <rld> <@luxidream> do they just annoy people?
19:33 <ais523> come to think of it, the sort of person who's that clueless also tends to be the sort of person who rejoins immediately after being kicked
19:33 <ais523> so respecting the kick in this circumstance is likely a sign of being a bot
19:33 <ais523> (there are lots of people who respect kicks, including me, but they also tend to respect the rest of the channel rules too…)
19:33 <Tangles> ais523: Yeah I feel bad that he might've been a poor disturbed human warlock... but likely not.
19:34 <introsp3ctive> why do I feel like "particularly good bot" would be a compliment?
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19:34 <Tangles> anyway, I'm off. Have fun
19:34 <[Demo]> google his name
19:36 <introsp3ctive> all I get is a linkedin profile
19:37 <[Demo]> right
19:37 <[Demo]> its weird
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19:37 <introsp3ctive> the fact that all that comes up is a linkedin profile or the the linkedin profile itself is weird?
19:38 <[Demo]> the former
19:50 <K2> lol Tangles
19:50 <K2> i thought darkstar made perfect sense
19:51 <K2> AI is among us
19:51 <K2> rodney has broken free
19:54 <introsp3ctive> I pray I'm not alive the day that Rodney breaks free from the confines of whatever server he lives on
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19:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 190 points, T:654, killed by a small mimic
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20:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 1308 points, T:2811, poisoned by a rotted dwarf corpse
20:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] MrSirLogan (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 386 points, T:924, killed by a manes, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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20:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 16194 points, T:12832, killed by a gargoyle
20:34 <hothraxxa> tfw when you realize one turn too late what you should have done
20:35 <K2> :(
20:38 <hothraxxa> btw k2, how often do you bless your magic markers?
20:39 <hothraxxa> i think that was the first blessed magic marker i've ever had
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20:46 <K2> half the time
20:49 <rld> <@Dracunos> Why not just bless huge stacks of scrolls?
20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 5280 points, T:4601, killed by Ms. Berhala; the shopkeeper, while fainted from lack of food
20:54 <K2> darkstarx70_ hi
20:54 <darkstarx70_> o gees :)
20:54 <K2> you play nethack?
20:55 <darkstarx70_> no this machine cannot play games
20:55 <K2> would you like to play a game? perhaps tic tac toe
20:56 <darkstarx70_> seems like blurry question.. can i win
20:56 <ais523> I thought your machine couldn't play games?
20:56 <K2> does the name Joshua sound familiar?
20:56 <darkstarx70_> o tic tac toe i will think about it
20:57 <K2> ok!
20:58 <darkstarx70_> i am in?
20:58 <K2> sure
20:58 <K2> whats your first move?
20:58 <darkstarx70_> lol ok
20:58 <darkstarx70_> : )..
20:59 <K2> go ahead.. tell me your first move
21:00 <darkstarx70_> tac.. ~[oxo]~
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21:01 <ais523> that looks sort-of like a tic-tac-toe move, it just clearly isn't one
21:01 <ais523> I'm confused/impressed, a) it's clearly a bot, but b) it's doing better at this than any chatbot I've seen
21:01 <ais523> not that most chatbots are any good
21:01 <K2> it almost reminded me of amy's bundlebundlebundle w/ hearts
21:01 <ais523> ♥
21:01 <K2> heh
21:02 <ais523> I had to check whether that was heart suit or heart emoji, I'd expect them to look very similar on this client (it's the suit)
21:02 <K2> ;)
21:03 <K2> i dont know how to make the heart symbol. easy enough to find out, but nah
21:03 <ais523> I just guessed
21:03 <ais523> compose < 3
21:03 <K2> hahaha
21:03 <ais523> (the default binding for compose on most Linux distros is right shift + right alt in that order)
21:04 <ais523> like, you hold shift, press alt, and release both keys, then type the two things you're composing
21:04 <K2> ah
21:05 <K2> on windows its hold down left alt then key in the correct number sequence on numpad
21:05 <K2> ™
21:05 <K2> alt+0153
21:05 <ais523> Linux has something like that (with a different introducing character and I can't remember what it is)
21:06 <ais523> dead keys, compose, and third level shift are all more convenient though
21:06 <ais523> and contain most of the characters you need
21:06 <K2> dammit.. now i'm looking up heart symbol
21:06 <ais523> ​[U+2665 BLACK HEART SUIT]
21:07 <K2> ੩
21:07 <ais523> presumably you have to convert that to decimal for Windows' method
21:07 <ais523> 9829
21:07 <K2> ♥
21:07 <K2> lol
21:07 <bhaak> ♥
21:07 <bhaak> in emacs, you can use the hex value directly
21:08 <ais523> I need to change quoted-char-radix or whatever it's called to 16 in my .emacs
21:08 <ais523> I have to keep setting it each time, and I keep forgetting how its name is spelled
21:08 <bhaak> ♧
21:08 <bhaak> ♦
21:09 <bhaak> ♤
21:10 <bhaak> it's somewhat inconvenient though to remember 4 letter unicode codepoints
21:10 <ais523> yes, compose is much more memorable
21:10 <ais523> the main thing I find missing from it is Greek
21:10 <K2> ﴾﴿
21:10 <ais523> it isn't anywhere in the default compose definitions I'm using
21:11 <aosdict> @luxidream The general policy with regard to variants (it might exist on the wiki somewhere) is that if a miscellaneous page has _one_ variant section, it can generally be left as is or added as a subsection of a top level Variants section. If there are two or more variant sections on a page, those should definitely be moved together under a Variants section.
21:11 <bhaak> I have very little use for anything else than what is on the keyboard.
21:11 <aosdict> For the SLASH'EM monstrosities like on the Valkyrie page... there might be a case for moving that to a different page.
21:12 <bhaak> I have the same layout for vim and emacs for writing german texts but beyond that, I don't need anything
21:16 <ais523> bhaak: do you use a German-language keyboard layout or a (UK/US) English keyboard?
21:16 <ais523> I can type äöüß fairly easily but they're in awkward places due to this keyboard being intended for British English
21:19 <bhaak> ais523: US layout with z and y swapped. I write Umlauts by writing their decomposed parts, e.g. ae -> ä. this is quite natural and IMO faster than using a German layout and having to reach over next to the return key where the umlauts are on that layout.
21:20 <ais523> ah right, I think that's technically known as an "input method"
21:20 <ais523> how do you distinguish between ß and ss?
21:20 <bhaak> on the Amiga, I used to have the umlauts on alt+vowel
21:20 <bhaak> I don't :-)
21:20 <rld> <@luxidream> aosdict: okay, I’ll see what I can do about that then
21:20 <bhaak> the luxury of being Swiss is being able to ignore the ß
21:21 <ais523> do you just use ss everywhere, then?
21:21 <rld> <@luxidream> also, would you be opposed to consolidating slashem techniques into a single page
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21:22 <bhaak> ais523: yes.
21:23 <rld> <@luxidream> never mind, too many of these have unnecessary amounts of strategy written into them
21:30 <introsp3ctive> damn I am so rusty at this game
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21:36 <aosdict> @luxidream For _most_ variants, there won't be sufficient difference/editor will to have sections on a lot of pages. But SLASH'EM is weird, because it's so old/established and made a lot of changes.
21:46 <aosdict> It seems like there's no real good solution for this; if every variant wanted to have a Valkyrie strategy section, the Valkyrie page is the most relevant place to put them, but then it would just drown out the vanilla content even more.
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21:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 283 points, T:1257, killed by a kitten called Montu
21:55 <rld> <@luxidream> aosdict: why not have a Valkyrie/Slashem sub page
21:56 <rld> <@luxidream> Like the “tips on how to play” on https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/FIQHack/Pointers
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21:56 <aosdict> that could work. you would have to link to it from the regular page
21:56 <aosdict> but a link is small
21:57 <rld> <@luxidream> Cleans up the page, doesn’t clutter the search bar with a million valks from a million variants
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21:58 <aosdict> K2: adding level variants should not savebreak anything, should it?
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22:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:9114
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22:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) killed the ghost of ler bee Q, the former Priest, on T:10127
22:19 <aosdict> !tell K2 assuming this doesn't savebreak, and I don't think it does, pushed new Oracle level variants
22:19 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
22:21 <ais523> aosdict: adding level variants doesn't savebreak, removing or renumbering them does though
22:22 <ais523> at least in vanilla
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22:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 21392 points, T:10433, panic
22:26 <rld> <@IceBox> you can die or panic?
22:33 <ais523> "panic" is the game's internal description for when something goes really badly wrong
22:33 <ais523> the message (at least in modern NetHack) is "Suddenly, the dungeon collapses."
22:34 <rld> <@IceBox> what causes that?
22:35 <ais523> any situation where something that should be impossible occurs and the game has no way to recover
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22:35 <ais523> there are a /lot/ of possible panic causes, most of which are highly technical, and none of them should ever be reachable
22:36 <ais523> a simple example would be attempting to remove an object from the floor and then discovering that it isn't there
22:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:39391
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23:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:40919
23:14 <rld> <@luxidream> !who
23:14 <Beholder> @luxidream: [hdf-us] winny [nh361] ptaff [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players
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23:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:8826
23:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 50 points, T:34, homunculus
23:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 189 points, T:530, orc
23:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:31060
23:43 <rld> <@IceBox> holy cow @Dracunos your method for throwing stuff into polypiles is great, thanks
23:46 <rld> <@luxidream> did you get your silver spear?
23:47 <bouquet> hi
23:47 <Beholder> Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought
23:49 <bouquet> I vaguely recall someone mentioning Valkyries dual wielding hammers being a great strategy but I can't find it in the IRC logs.  It doesn't sound so great, but maybe I'm missing something?
23:49 <rld> <@IceBox> i did not get it
23:49 <rld> <@IceBox> but it was easy to try!
23:50 <rld> <@luxidream> [11:47 PM] luxidream: twoweaponing +7 war hammers outdamages stormbringer [11:47 PM] luxidream: war hammer > stormbringer
23:51 <rld> <@luxidream> bouquet: was being tongue-in-cheek, someone wrote a section of the wiki claiming that shortswords were viable because twoweaponing them could outdamage artifacts
23:52 <rld> <@luxidream> they've since edited it to something more reasonable
23:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:40011
23:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:40020