00:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] Cropper (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 9141 points, T:4257, quit 00:09 K2: :3 00:09 K2: this is such an old save, from before junethack 00:10 heh 00:10 hopefully you didnt brain dump too many details about it 00:11 nah 00:11 it's pretty idiot proof 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 3237 points, T:6554, killed by a soldier ant 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 2946 points, T:2086, troll 00:29 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:30 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 00:47 how the heck do you get a -12 athame? 00:49 <[Demo]> fourk skewery 00:59 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 01:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:32 [hdf-us] [spl] winny (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 577 points, T:1698, killed by a gnoll 01:34 oh man 01:34 find wand of polymorph t50 01:34 zap pet 01:34 pet turns into titan 01:35 \o/ 01:37 in other news sam adams new england ipa is not an ipa lol 01:37 it's an apa 01:43 * K2 doesnt care for IPA's 01:43 not a big fan of excessive hops 01:46 winny can I get you to save your game and log for just a few min? i need to do some router maintenence here 01:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- stenno is now known as Guest91519 01:53 -!- Guest91519 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54 K2: yes 01:54 ok 01:55 !who 01:55 thanks 01:55 winny: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 01:55 hdf-us will be down for a few min starting in about 30 sec 01:55 i was idling :) 01:55 ;) 01:55 brb 01:55 -!- K2 has quit [Quit: Rico, smoke! *poof*] 02:09 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 02:09 -!- livingstone.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Junethack 2018!! 02:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 02:09 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 02:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 02:13 hi 02:13 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 02:13 !ping 02:13 K2: Pong! 02:13 !who 02:13 K2: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 02:13 did a bit of server maintenence too, might as well 02:14 winny if you want to jump back in and play, feel free 02:14 i'm all done 02:29 !who 02:29 winny: [hdf-us] k2 [spl] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 02:37 !whereis k2 02:37 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [spl]: (Wiz Ang Mal Neu) T:691 Gehennom level: 3 02:37 hmm thats not right 02:42 i see 02:42 antigulp removed the void from splicehack for the time being right? 02:42 if so its confusing the bot just a lil bit 02:43 easy fix but want to confirm first 02:44 yup the void is not enabled atm 02:46 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 02:46 -!- livingstone.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Junethack 2018!! 02:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 02:47 !ping 02:47 K2: Pong! 02:47 !whereis k2 02:47 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [spl]: (Wiz Ang Mal Neu) T:691 The Gnomish Mines level: 3 02:47 \o/ 03:09 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 03:09 !asc Grasshopper 03:09 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] Grasshopper has ascended 29 times in 62 games (46.77%): nh361:25 (52.08%), xnh:1 (11.11%), gh:3 (60.00%) | [hdf-eu] Grasshopper has ascended 2 times in 5 games (40.00%): nh361:2 (40.00%) | [hdf-au] Grasshopper has ascended 7 times in 9 games (77.78%): nh361:7 (77.78%) 03:10 !whereis Grasshopper 03:10 Grasshopper: [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361]: (Hea Gno Fem Neu) T:38899 The Dungeons of Doom level: 9 03:27 wow got it +3 too 03:28 lol nice gravestone "Would you quit being evil over my shoulder?". 03:33 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:43 I found a grave marked "Algernon" recently. Made me wonder why there weren't any flowers there 03:43 except, of course, that Nethack doesn't have any flowers :C 03:44 that's probably the reason 03:44 Anyway, I dug up the grave and it had 1 potion of (unholy) water in it :D 03:44 yay! 03:45 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 03:45 I always forget to dig up graves because I play lawful so much and I've learned to avoid the alignment penalty 03:45 (as if that isn't what archeologists *do*!) 03:45 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:45 * raisse is a lawful priestess without a pickaxe right now 03:46 oh I have enough HP to wish for the Sceptre of Might 03:47 raisse, I think chaotic arcs get an alignment bonus for digging up graves? 03:47 *chaotic* arcs do, yes 03:47 yes they do, but then you can't start a game as a chaotic arc anyway 03:48 and my arcs raid vaults all the time so by the time I have access to a HoOA I have divine protection that I don't want to lose 03:48 ooo, and it is a -3 penalty for digging up graves. 03:48 yes, that 03:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:50 -!- stenno is now known as Guest63911 03:55 -!- Guest63911 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 04:06 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09 gah! a gnome zapped a wand of striking at me in soko and broke a boulder and I don't have any spares 04:09 have to read a scroll of earth 04:15 gah, I was so unlucky from squeezing that I got it cursed 04:15 good thing I'm a priestess 04:26 huge throne room and the throne vanishes on the first #sit :-( 04:29 here's a zoo that's more than half full of a single long worm 04:29 the rest is mostly killer bees 04:41 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 04:50 You emerge from the energy vortex's stomach! 04:52 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:35422 05:08 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 05:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:18 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 05:19 apparently there's nobody on hdf who has my password for a username :-) 05:20 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:21 -!- stenno_ has quit [Changing host] 05:21 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 05:21 -!- stenno_ is now known as stenno 05:22 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 05:23 gah, 3 throne rooms between oracle and medusa, and *all* of them had the throne vanish on the first #sit 05:27 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 05:33 wow, an actual black dragon in the mines 05:33 must be from a poly trap because I'm only level 12 05:34 also a peaceful storm giant 05:35 and a yellow dragon, and *another* black dragon 05:35 must be a high-yield poly trap 05:35 yes, found it 05:36 the nymph who stole my robe found it first and turned into a yeti 05:36 good thing she wasn't wearing it 05:42 grrr 05:43 is it possible to get mimic of the mines without a luckstone? I've only found a loadstone (and no end of rocks and gems and worthless pieces of glass) 05:43 quaffed object detection to see if I'd missed a place 05:43 no 05:51 then I'll have to resort to butchering peaceful dwarves 05:52 it was in the inventory of a non-peaceful dwarf :-) 06:09 er, what do I do now? 06:09 train with it I suppose 06:15 nice 06:18 eek forgot to put my blindfold on 06:18 I *know* it's not dangerous but it's always scary 06:37 T - an uncursed wand of wishing (0:3). 06:40 ... involuntarily. 07:01 yay fire resistance at last 07:01 now Idon 07:02 don't have to wish for a tin of red dragon meat before entering gehennom proper 07:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "7 blessed candles", on T:69638 08:26 [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:70656 08:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:33 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Cav Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3671 08:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Cav Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3671 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Cav Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3736 09:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:36 -!- stenno is now known as Guest13768 09:40 morning 09:47 Morning K2. 09:47 Mandevil: Messages from LarienTelrunya and K2 have been forwarded to you privately. 09:47 <@Tone> Good morning 😄 09:47 K2: I need to know SpliceHack allowed combos. 09:47 K2: Is there some document to that effect? 09:48 there might be 09:48 good place to start - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/SpliceHack 09:48 looking now 09:49 -!- Guest13768 has quit [Changing host] 09:49 -!- Guest13768 has joined #hardfought 09:49 -!- Guest13768 is now known as stenno 09:50 !tell AntiGulp do you have a list of all allowable role/race combos available for splicehack? 09:50 Will do, K2! 09:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:50 or is that readily apparent in the code? i've never looked 09:52 or just figure it out... 3.6.1 menu makes that a lot less painless 09:52 so if i choose werewolf race for instance 09:53 my only role choices are bar/rog/ran/wiz 09:53 and can only be neutral or chaotic 09:54 but, dont know at a glance if thats true for all 4 of those roles 09:54 yeah need a list :P 09:55 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 8757 points, T:698, killed by a Mr. Asidonhopo, the shopkeeper's magical blast 09:56 bar/rog/ran/wiz *can* only be neutral or chaotic, right? 09:56 perhaps rog only chaotic, even 09:56 !tell AntiGulp make that a list of allowable role/race/alignment combos - need it for the NHS 09:56 Will do, K2! 09:57 K2: if i connect to hardfought, play a game of vanilla 3.6.1, then go into the NH4 menu, quit and go to vanilla game again, the colors are off 09:57 raisse perhaps. but splicehack may allow different alignments to do different roles 09:57 ah right 09:57 ranger also only chaotic 09:57 sporkhack does 09:57 no, wait 09:57 bhaak: there are gnome rangers though 09:57 spork has chaotic elf knights 09:58 with nightmares instead of horses, pretty cool 09:58 searching for Ranger made me stop at Rogue because of a comment 09:58 stenno: does the color issue resolve itself if you exit the terminal and then connect again? 09:59 speaking of colors in vanilla, I started a 3.6.1 game and picked up 14 gold pieces and they didn't get colored yellow until I spent some 09:59 K2: yeah i have to end my current terminal(!) session and start a new terminal 09:59 K2: so just ending the ssh session is not enough 09:59 (in my status bar) 09:59 i think nh4 does silly things with the color palette 09:59 (by design) 09:59 yeah 09:59 and it seems it doesn't get reset again properly 09:59 oh that may be because I inadvertently opened tnhe nh4 menu 10:00 same problem 10:01 K2: don't role and race entirely determine alignment, by starting with all 3 possible and then removing ineligible ones? 10:01 e.g. rogues have law and neu barred by their role 10:02 so they can't be dwarves or gnomes 10:02 so you don't need a list of angel rogue, werewolf rogue, etc 10:03 Hahaha, decapitated Croesus with first hit 10:03 aosdict probably 10:04 where in the code does it lay out role/race/align combos? 10:04 role.c 10:04 hah 10:04 * K2 feels sheepish 10:04 new race - sheep 10:05 go raisse! 10:07 Mandevil - https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/blob/Master/src/role.c 10:07 pretty easy to see what can be what 10:07 I'm at that awkward "done everything I can and not quite level 14" stage that priests (and wizards) have 10:07 Xp:13/76415 10:07 all it needs is something like 2 baluchitheria 10:08 where are you raisse? 10:08 at my stash, level 18 10:08 cleared castle or votd yet? 10:09 3-4 eels will put you at xp lvl 14 10:09 or a lucky wraith corpse drop 10:09 castle yes, valley no, needed to stash and enchant first and get an anti-undead cloak 10:09 ah 10:09 yes 10:09 I think I've seen all potions *except* gain level 10:09 of course ;) 10:09 LotK2 10:10 'luck of the K2' 10:11 be the first person ever to reverse genocide baluchitheria 10:11 Xp:13/79874 <-- 3 eels and something brainless 10:12 all remaining monsters will be grid bugs 10:13 Lord of the Kings II 10:13 Xp:14/80641 <-- and a fire giant and a minotaur 10:13 \o/ 10:13 the giant probably did it, but the mino was in the way 10:14 !whereis raisse eu 10:14 !whereis raisse 10:14 aosdict: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361]: (Pri Hum Fem Law) T:29646 The Dungeons of Doom level: 13 10:14 levelported back to the quest portal 10:14 nalzok is in need of some killing. do you accept this sidequest? 10:16 "Remember that Nalzok has great magic at his command" 10:16 I've never seen him do any 10:16 The wraith drinks an uncursed potion of gain level! 10:16 ahh the irony 10:16 so I'd seen it before, possibly also when a monster drank it 10:17 I thought nalzok cast spells? 10:17 wiki says he casts spells 10:18 You see here an uncursed wizard corpse named Grasshopper. 10:48 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 41761 points, T:7113, killed by a snake 10:49 two whacks with the blessed +7 Grayswandir :-) 10:49 all he cast was haste self 10:49 ah, not even that, he drank a potion of speed 11:09 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 50 points, T:37, imp 11:14 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Ang Mal Neu), 6082 points, T:6268, killed by a watch captain 11:14 so i sac a werewolf on my temple altar 11:15 as an angel i thought it'd be ok 11:15 turns out the werewolf was also an angelic being? 11:15 a werewolf is still human? 11:15 wut? 11:15 yeah 11:15 so it converted the altar, pissed off my deity and made the watch and the priest angry 11:15 yes 11:16 3.4.3 rules lol 11:16 fucked up 11:16 All werecreatures are; they're humans with an unfortunate condition. (Why do you never meet dwarven/elven/etc werecreatures?) 11:16 dropped all my shit and let the watch kill mer 11:16 me 11:16 no you misunderstand 11:16 no pick-axe, otherwise perfect run 11:16 Pinkbeast: you do in grunthack 11:16 the game said the werewolf i sacced was angelic 11:16 and i was playing an angel wizard 11:17 in 3.6.1, if you sac rats where you are a wererat, you get same-race sac too 11:17 but there was zero indictaion that the werewolf was angelic 11:17 stenno: Gah! 11:17 or in general, in 3.6.1 if you sac foo when you are werefoo, you get same-race sac 11:17 !tell AntiGulp disregard the request for role/race/align list 11:17 Will do, K2! 11:18 fun new rules lol 11:18 !tell AntiGulp I just sacrificed a werewolf as an angelic wizard, just pissed off my deity because it thought the werewolf was also angelic. but there was zero indication in the game that it was an angelic werewolf. what gives? 11:18 Will do, K2! 11:19 that *was* a semi-promising game too 11:19 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 11:19 ah well 11:20 an "angelic werewolf" wouldn't have left a corpse anyway. 11:21 i call shenanigans 11:21 it's almost certainly the game assuming !elf !gnome !orc !dwarf == human 11:21 sac a werefoo as a merfolk or infernal, see what happens 11:22 [hdf-us] [slex] metzfan (Mon Dro Mal Cha) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:16811 11:22 Let's just call them wereYOU. 11:22 To make it clear you cannot sac them. 11:23 here is the rule for same-race sac: 11:23 #define your_race(ptr) (((ptr)->mflags2 & urace.selfmask) != 0L) 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 1008 points, T:1721, orc 11:24 so maybe a problem with set race flags 11:24 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:24 if urace isn't a 2^x value 11:25 there might be an overlap 11:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:25 which variant, splicehack? 11:25 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 11:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:26 <[Demo]> i know splicehack has had issues with that 11:26 *whew* I was turning a little green 11:26 levelported out, prayed 11:27 stenno yes splicehack 11:28 <@luxidream> in slex, angels are humans, but that doesn’t set much of a precedent 11:29 <@luxidream> Because splice angels are nothing like slex 11:32 <[Demo]> splice angles are flying elves? 11:33 Sorry, forked repositories are not currently searchable. 11:33 wtf github??? 11:33 yeah 11:33 stupid 11:34 i bet microsoft is to blame for that :v 11:35 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 1108 points, T:2337, fall into a pit 11:35 <[Demo]> finally battling some of my demons 11:35 so where the fuck are the PM_* flags defined 11:36 <[Demo]> include/pm.h generated from src/monst.c 11:36 oh its generated? 11:36 <[Demo]> yes 11:36 completely offtopic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9t-slLl30E 11:37 what is it? (I never watch surprises) 11:37 funny lip syncing spoof of a scene in the empire strikes back (star wars) 11:37 been rickrolled once too often (though I don't expect that of you) 11:37 right 11:37 no worries i understand 11:37 better safe than sorry 11:38 also LOUD UNMELODIOUS MUSIC 11:38 though I usually have sound off unless I actually want to listen to something 11:38 [Demo]: and can i somehow guess what that value might be? 11:38 * hothraxxa is never gonna give raisse up, never gonna let raisse down 11:38 lol 11:38 <[Demo]> presumably goes by order of monsters in monst.c 11:38 lol, raisserolling :-) 11:38 <[Demo]> so yeah you should be able to count them 11:39 uuuh 11:39 wot? 11:39 <[Demo]> like if you wanna know the value of PM_JACKAL what number permonst struct is it in monst.c? 11:39 well i understand what you are saying 11:40 and the monsters PM_* would be 2^[permonst index] ? 11:40 <[Demo]> no those dont use bitfieldy type flags 11:40 <[Demo]> just ints 11:41 but if i see this: 11:41 #define your_race(ptr) (((ptr)->mflags2 & urace.selfmask) != 0L) 11:41 <[Demo]> thats a monster flag 11:41 <[Demo]> a field of the permonst struct 11:41 <[Demo]> those are different than permonst index constants 11:41 do you know where those are defined? 11:41 <[Demo]> monflag.h? 11:41 gah, lost my luckstone somewhere, it's not in my BoH or any of my stashes 11:42 <[Demo]> yeah those are and ory bit fieldly longs 11:42 oh i see 11:42 thanks 11:44 i see 11:44 merfolk are M2_HUMAN 11:44 ah right, I see why I got slimed 11:44 <[Demo]> so are minor angels 11:45 <[Demo]> so anything that can be human can be either two 11:45 <[Demo]> race/role locks are determined by that flag 11:45 partly undressed to fooproof, found I'd stashed my scrolls of destroy armor in the valley temple, went upstairs, ran into the slime without my cloak on 11:45 <@luxidream> no penalty for eating eels then? 11:45 mmm, eel 11:45 minor angel are the race thats called 'angelic' in splice? 11:46 <[Demo]> none of their m2 flags give them a special race 11:46 <[Demo]> god thank god chris did a great reflagging 11:46 <[Demo]> nethack is a mess 11:46 <[Demo]> got the race flags mixed in with a bunch of other m2 flags 11:46 so what is urace.selfmask for angelic player then 11:46 <[Demo]> MA_HUMAN 11:46 <[Demo]> eerr 11:46 yeah this is really confusing 11:46 <[Demo]> M2_HUMAN 11:47 <[Demo]> or wait idk it might be more than that 11:47 <[Demo]> i think it is (M2_NOPOLY | M2_HUMAN | M2_STRONG | M2_COLLECT) 11:47 well the actual 'angel' monster doesn't have a M2_human 11:47 <[Demo]> angel race isnt based on that 11:47 <[Demo]> it is based on the minor angel monster 11:47 <[Demo]> as shown in role.c 11:48 ah good 11:48 thats what i asked earlier 11:48 got confused by your reply, ok 11:49 yeah there it is, thanks 11:50 <[Demo]> im not sure what urace.selfmask refers to but probably your &youmonst->mflags2 11:50 yeah that makes sense 11:52 man player generation and player structs in general is a mess 11:52 <[Demo]> yep 11:52 <[Demo]> nethack is a mess 11:52 yeah 11:53 a clusterfuck of mess 11:53 and chris_ang did some refactoring regarding that? 11:53 maybe i should look a bit into that 11:53 <[Demo]> he refactored the shit out of permonst structs 11:54 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided R dungeon wide on T:1679 11:54 <[Demo]> it sucks less 11:54 interesting 11:54 yeah i will look into that 11:55 maybe i make a section in my minesflayer spoiler about it 11:55 maybe thats a interesting thing to look at 12:05 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 12:11 [hdf-us] [4k] groovejumper (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:6673 12:12 <[Demo]> cheap asmo 12:12 yes, I was carrying 40 or so 12:12 <@rikersan> I like dnh's change for that lol 12:13 in un, you need 10k+ to pay him off or so 12:13 there is a lower limit 12:14 But he's so useful for mapping Gehennom anyway 12:14 <@luxidream> why is demogorgon > asmo in the nethack universe, anyway 12:14 <@rikersan> in dnh he's super buffed and needs at 90-100k iirc 12:15 the demon lords in dnh are really evil 12:17 <@rikersan> yeah but they're also a lot more fun 12:24 i dipped an empty bag of tricks into a potion of polymorph 12:24 W - an uncursed magic marker (1:78). 12:24 wow! 12:24 oh right, poly 12:24 <@Tone> @luxidream Because everyone has cold resistance by gehennom :P 12:24 forgot that potion exists 12:24 that's quite an upgrade :) 12:24 it was blessed, not sure if that matters 12:25 <@rikersan> don't think so 12:25 the bag or the potion? 12:25 raisse: i usually dip my etxra unicorn horns into 200z potions 12:25 the potion 12:26 then when i find poly, i use them for dipping magic junk into 12:26 I have identify at 0% fail so I probably won't inadvertently become a grey dragon and rip up my +5 cloak of protection 12:27 i still can't hit reliably wearing my gdsm :( 12:27 <@luxidream> I don’t know how you go from ruler of all devils to a welcome mat for players entering hell 12:28 hothraxxa: are you a monk? 12:28 <@luxidream> then again the player is fairly overpowered from D&D standards 12:28 I warmly recommend the non-cloistered priesthood :-) 12:28 <@rikersan> @luxidream exactly why dnh buffed it :P 12:28 yes, xl20, maxed luck, grand master martial arts, dx:22 12:29 <@luxidream> Yeah I think he’s really cool 12:29 <@luxidream> in dnh 12:29 <@luxidream> would not like to fight him though 12:29 <@rikersan> yeah he's a bitch cuz of his demon blood 12:29 <@rikersan> summons hordes whenever you damage him 12:29 <[Demo]> had a neat acu buff idra 12:30 <@luxidream> !who 12:30 @luxidream: [hdf-us] rustmonster [nh13d] hothraxxa [4k] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 12:33 i bought a new coffee machine 12:34 maybe with the power of tasty coffee from a new coffee machine i can finally reach the castle wand 12:34 <@luxidream> no good runs so far? 12:35 nah 12:35 still can't really decide if i go human or rather dwarf 12:35 dwarf is so nice because of infravision and HP gain 12:36 but human can just kill dwarves 12:36 and if you are non-dwarf, you will get more dwarves in the miens 12:36 mines 12:36 <@luxidream> I just go dwarf, the alignment penalty is easy to get rid of 12:36 yeah 12:37 <@luxidream> it also takes longer to kill everything 12:37 <@luxidream> as opposed to just slipping by 12:37 it just shows that its more difficult to get a pickaxe 12:37 and thats the most important item after all 12:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:39 i guess it doesn't really matter when you're grinding anyway 12:39 anyway coffeemachine time 12:40 ☕☕☕ 12:40 <@luxidream> grinding for levels? 12:40 <@luxidream> generally I’m 11 after finishing castle 12:41 no i mean grinding speedruns 12:41 <@luxidream> oh. Yeah, I’ve been doing some of that myself in nh4 12:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:42 <@luxidream> got a new personal best so I’m pretty happy with that for now 12:42 nh4 speedrunning? 12:42 whats your time? 12:43 <@luxidream> 1:44:54 12:43 dayum 12:43 why not 3.6.1? 12:43 gonna guess autoexplore 12:43 ah yeah 12:44 <@luxidream> yeah 12:44 <@luxidream> I might do xnh though 12:44 <@luxidream> No force 12:44 hah yeah 12:45 use the force, lux 12:45 i think the thing that pisses me off most is plane of water in 3.6.x 12:45 <@luxidream> force trapped me in hell for 25 minutes 12:45 yeah that really sucks 12:45 that must be so enraging for speedrunning 12:45 <@luxidream> in a promising run 12:45 i once had to cross orcus town 16 times 12:45 i was neutral too 12:46 hmm 12:47 but i want the cred for vanilla running :3 12:47 so gotta suffer i guess 12:47 <[Demo]> vanilla sux 12:47 no 12:47 <@luxidream> plane of water is pretty bad 12:47 you suck 12:47 <@luxidream> I agree 12:47 see? lux agrees 12:48 <@luxidream> no vanilla sucks 12:48 i don't play it much any more 12:48 just running xnh instead is tempting i have to admit 12:48 i think 3.6.1 is really great especially compared to 3.6.0 12:48 xnh has changed a lot since i played it too 12:49 oh yeah, should check out the post-junethack changes 12:50 i intend to, but right now fourk has my attention 12:50 also i have a bone to pick with splicehack 12:50 <[Demo]> yeahhh 12:50 <@luxidream> what happened in splice? 12:50 nasty crash cost me a junethack win 12:51 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 12:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:51 <@luxidream> 😦 12:52 <@luxidream> probably still less buggy than dyna though 12:52 i also have a lot of dead grunthack orc wizards to avenge 12:52 xnh looks like the variant i will like most, however 12:52 i'll get to it 12:53 <@luxidream> I died in spork to a locust on the ascension run 12:53 i bet that left a mark 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) killed the ghost of , the former Priest, on T:5776 12:53 <@luxidream> and died to demogorgon in grunt because I didn’t recognize his room 12:53 <@luxidream> and went upstairs 12:54 demogorgon took out my best gh orc wizard ever 12:54 my fault, i did not prepare well and let him catch me where i had no escape 12:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class a), on T:2992 12:56 stenno: hothraxxa: there aren't that many post junethack xnh changes. probably just "raaargh what the heck is this Q nonsense" 12:56 when K2 says stuff like "its on 0.3.0 now" it really just means I did something savebreaking and had to do a version bump 12:56 ok 12:57 <@luxidream> quantum mechanic lords and kings obviously 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3431 12:57 except for one junethack game, i haven't played xnh since well before you added materials 12:57 so for me, lots of changes 12:57 biggest post junethack changes are the macho weapon names and removal of minesflayers 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 12857 points, T:10792, killed by a soldier ant 12:58 how did you remove them? 12:58 i wish you could add inventory weights 12:58 hardcoded test? 12:58 or just random h gone from mines.des 12:58 esp since materials really messes up weights 12:59 <@luxidream> aosdict: do you plan on any amnesia changes, out of curiosity 12:59 surely the latter 12:59 getting rid of castle purple L is much harder :thinking: 12:59 stenno: mind flayers are now U (aberrations) 12:59 oh nice lol 12:59 thats pragmatic 12:59 hmm 13:00 so that buffs h player race slightly as we now can letter-geno U 13:00 @luxidream very soon I will provisionally remove it entirely 13:00 but its irrelevant 13:00 <@luxidream> :0 13:00 U now contains umber hulks, mind flayers, and quantum mechanics 13:01 <@luxidream> amazing 13:01 @luxidream provisionally as in "until I can find a better way for it to work" but I'm honestly not sure if it can ever be made to work 13:02 jonadab has quantum mechanics on h 13:02 aosdict: and now purple-castle-L pls 13:02 but thats much more difficult to get rid of 13:02 let's move liches to U!!!1!1! 13:03 :P 13:03 haha 13:03 even then 13:03 i think liches should generate in the castle 13:03 just not purple L 13:03 <@luxidream> disenchanters should also be U 13:03 <@luxidream> as well as sea monsters 13:03 radical opinion: add a few more default flags to mkclass 13:03 yeah could fix that by removing L from the list of those random monster classes 13:03 or that 13:03 disenchanters i agree 13:04 here: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.6.1/src/makemon.c#line1622 13:04 no L at the castle, but a guaranteed purple L in the valley! 13:04 :v 13:05 disenchanters... eh should remain on R so that players continue to associate them with rust monsters as in they degrade equipment 13:05 but I think luxi was joking 13:05 why not add G_HELL to it 13:05 rust monsters on U!!! 13:05 and then depending on dungeon / .des file pass it in spc 13:05 <@luxidream> no u 13:06 that would robustly fix mines flayers too 13:06 without having to change the letter 13:06 how about, removing covetous warping entirely because it's broken in favor of the monsters and not fun 13:06 doesn't un do something liek that 13:07 monster can't selftele in notele levels is maybe the rule? 13:07 not sure 13:07 ooh, random magic marker in orcustown shop is 0:95 13:07 and the one I wished for was 0:91 13:07 custom scrolls for days! 13:09 moar genocide! 13:10 aosdict: at some point we are always working around the crappyness of mkclass 13:10 <[Demo]> wow i found a rabbit hole 13:12 had to chase him to the bottom of the tower but beat him to the stairs there 13:12 stenno: yes, a mkclass fix is the proper thing 13:12 aosdict: how about extending .des so we can specify the generation flags passed to mkclass in the .des file 13:12 hmmmmmm 13:12 that could either be easy, medium, or insanely hard and annoying 13:12 correct 13:12 chasing vlad is the new national sport 13:12 lol, the throne gives me magic mapping 13:13 stenno: lemme check the grammar... 13:13 (of the top level of vlad's tower, where I've already been everywhere) 13:13 because the mkclass and non mkclass are both MONSTER commands 13:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:14 yes! protection from shape changers! 13:14 could have used that in the valley but it's also nice for the sanctum 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] middling (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of polymorph control", on T:16767 13:21 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:23 aosdict: non-mkclass is irrelevant because that doesn't need to respect depth anyway 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 5717 points, T:6840, killed by an Elvenking 13:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] middling (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of slow digestion", on T:18785 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Cav Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:16685 13:51 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:01 [hdf-us] [4k] groovejumper (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:8315 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 17762 points, T:6634, killed by a gray unicorn 14:23 -!- tacco| has quit [] 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) wished for "blessed spellbook of genocide", on T:12407 14:31 [hdf-us] [4k] groovejumper (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 18996 points, T:11242, killed by a dwarf 14:39 <@Tone> Tangles: Not sure if it's intended but if you roll a random role in 361 with curses on, it doesn't actually tell you what role you got until the game starts 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Cav Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20969 14:39 <@Tone> Non-curses lets you cancel out before starting I think? 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) wished for "blessed spellbook of genocide", on T:13134 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided a dungeon wide on T:13220 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided O dungeon wide on T:13228 14:48 phew 14:48 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49 40 min 14:49 now i have to decide in the next like 2 minutes if i do wallclock or realtime 14:49 lol 14:50 a fuck it i will just do realtime 14:50 * stenno senses some booing from the off 14:51 so about 35 minutes to castle 14:53 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] middling (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 109247 points, T:23868, killed by a rock troll 14:54 lets see how long i will take for wand with tonal and without reflectiono 14:55 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided E dungeon wide on T:13784 14:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided x dungeon wide on T:14185 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided N dungeon wide on T:14350 15:07 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed fixed historic partly eaten wands of teleportation named scotty", on T:53440 15:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:08 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed fixed historic lit wands of teleportation named scotty", on T:53444 15:10 <[Demo]> why did slex have to make pokemon in nethack so tasteless? 15:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:11 hi Demo! play SLEX 2.27beta on ESM, now with mason and anachronounbinder roles! *bundlebundlebundle* ♥ 15:11 What would be more tasteful? 15:12 <[Demo]> oh ill check that out 15:12 <[Demo]> im not sure 15:12 it's only on the em.slashem.me server right now 15:12 oh right I need to push the hussy change I did today 15:14 [Demo]: lol an elder priest :P 15:14 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Ang Mal Neu), 309 points, T:1177, killed by a hobbit, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:14 <[Demo]> what even is acu in slex? 15:15 it's similar to slex binder, yet different 15:15 basically, you start knowing no skills, but by doing things that would train skills, they will gradually unlock upon leveling up 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided U dungeon wide on T:15052 15:16 rustmonster genociding the shit out of the 1.3 dungeon 15:16 oh right, spellbook of genocide is a thing 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided w dungeon wide on T:15053 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided P dungeon wide on T:15054 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided D dungeon wide on T:15698 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided f dungeon wide on T:15699 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided k dungeon wide on T:15830 15:25 ok furnaces in splicehack are bad ass 15:25 i just used one to burn away a cursed pair of boots i put on 15:27 RIP your feet 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) killed the ghost of , the former Priest, on T:16137 15:29 b - the Wizard of Yendor's uncursed corpse 15:29 can't tin him unless I wish for a tinning kit (and I'm very close to burdened already so I'd rather not) 15:32 damn, 0:1 15:33 stenno: for a moment I thought you referred to soccer, then remembered that the world cup is over ;) 15:38 Menche: probably he held his feet there just long enough for the soles to burn away, then could slide them off 15:40 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Ang Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3487 15:40 still sounds ouchy 15:40 The shocking sphere's body takes on a normal transparency. 15:42 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Ang Mal Law), 3843 points, T:3667, killed by an elven arrow 15:44 hrmp 15:44 man that 0:1 wand was not really helpful 15:45 i need =oTC and would like to have conflict too 15:45 but i think =oTC is the wish 15:45 and then wresting for /oPoly maybe 15:45 depending on the loot 15:45 need conflict? 15:45 well for speedrunning 15:45 its super helpful 15:59 <@Tone> !ping 15:59 @Tone: Pong! 16:00 !ping 16:00 greqrg: Pong! 16:01 <@Tone> @mtf bridge bot doesn't seem to be sending IRC messages to discord, but it is still sending discord messages to IRC? 16:02 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 16:03 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:06 phew 16:07 i'd estimate i am about 1h20 in now 16:07 sub-2h possible? 16:07 probably not 16:08 * stenno eats pizza with super hot sauce insteads 16:09 can i see the realtime record for 3.6.1 on hardfought somehow? 16:12 lets see if i can ask the scoreboard about 3.6.1 realtime records 16:14 i should actually finish my run first before looking _anything_ up 16:15 <[Demo]> dumb things being broken :( 16:16 <[Demo]> why is dnh binder still so buggy? 16:16 <@rikersan> no clue 16:16 <@rikersan> can you still get screwed by the altar destruction? 16:16 slex binder ftw *sweetheart bundle* :) (and also slex acu) 16:17 <[Demo]> there is probably something broken with every single spirit 16:17 <[Demo]> also that has never screwed you 16:17 <[Demo]> you can always dantalion into the last room 16:17 <[Demo]> and always have been able to 16:17 <@rikersan> yea 16:17 <@rikersan> but still possible to get screwed by that in the first place? 16:17 Mandevil: can i ask the scoreboard about 3.6.1 realtime records? didn't find it yet 16:17 <[Demo]> probably idk 16:18 <[Demo]> binder can kill illurien without ever needing to kill her again 16:18 <[Demo]> cause ahazu is broken 16:18 oh really lol 16:18 same with elder priest and wizard? 16:18 and GC? 16:19 <[Demo]> idk all i know is nothing in corpse_chance gets called and thats where a lot of ondeath shit is checked 16:19 lol 16:19 <[Demo]> also rikersan, making an acu change 16:19 yea? 16:19 <[Demo]> while spirits are outside of the gate (the monster is alive) you essentially have them summoned until they die 16:20 ?? 16:20 <[Demo]> er bound 16:20 oh 16:20 interesting 16:20 <[Demo]> breaking taboos does nothing 16:20 <[Demo]> so it should be a lot easier now i think 16:21 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 16:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: ByrdIRC www.haxed.net] 16:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:22 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) genocided o dungeon wide on T:19887 16:24 hmm what will be my last wish 16:24 should i go /oPoly and hope i get =oConflict 16:24 i think this is the most sensible variant 16:25 i'd really like to have =oConflict for the sanctum 16:25 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 16:38 wait i need /oDeath for rodders anyway 16:39 so orcus first 16:40 <[Demo]> wonder how OP ndnh Jack spirit is 16:41 <[Demo]> does huge 100d4 fire explosion on death and acts like a rider and is tamable 16:41 <[Demo]> this is a very bad combo 16:41 <[Demo]> too strong a pet perhaps 16:41 lol 16:41 sounds like it 16:41 guaranteed to leave a corpse? 16:41 i guess if its rider-like 16:42 <[Demo]> yes 16:42 <@rikersan> sounds great to me 16:42 <@rikersan> 9/10 needs phys not fire explosion 16:42 <[Demo]> doesnt make flavor sense for phys 16:45 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 645 points, T:1900, killed by a Woodland-elf 16:49 i like how extra hot sauce makes you literally tripping balls for a few minutes 16:50 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 233 points, T:975, killed by an acid blob 16:50 dont eat goblins as an incantifier 16:50 stenno: Wait, like IRL or is this like a slex thing 16:50 apparently that's the race you are 16:51 PavelB: irl 16:51 maybe also in slex 16:51 that would be a funny item 16:51 makes you hallucinate, take a bit of damage 16:52 excercises constition maybe? 16:52 <[Demo]> abuses 16:52 definitely abuses 16:52 lol 16:56 oh right that reminds me i wanted to order even hotter sauce 16:56 <[Demo]> i need to look into splice 16:57 <[Demo]> see what all it added 16:57 <[Demo]> and how much it is slexing it 16:57 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:58 the slexiness decreases as you go forward in time 16:59 <[Demo]> !tell Antigulp When i quit as a skeleton pirate it tells me my body rises from the dead as a skeletal pirate. I really hope it isnt leaving bones on level 1 but yeah this isnt a good message to be having. 16:59 Will do, [Demo]! 16:59 <[Demo]> oh cool he added slashem lycanthrope race? 17:00 but remember that slex adopted nearly all of splicehack original changes already 17:00 <[Demo]> becoming slex means adding so many barely there things 17:01 <[Demo]> and implementing ghetto tasteless flavorless gross phantasms of brilliantly shining new things from other variants 17:01 slex probably doesn't have the void on account of LarienTelrunya hating on it 17:01 <[Demo]> slex has the void 17:01 <[Demo]> the real void 17:01 slex is never going to implement object materials >:) 17:01 <[Demo]> not the dumb fake void 17:01 it would break everything 17:02 <[Demo]> hell i saw tariru on a void level 17:02 <[Demo]> that amy had icified for sheol or something 17:03 "icified" is a word I never thought I would see again 17:03 whats the void? 17:03 <[Demo]> post astral plane content for acu role 17:04 in splicehack, think Bar-fila, with an insanely powerful elder dragon. 17:04 <[Demo]> where you go after blowing open the gate from the void's high altar to go free your fallen god 17:04 slex is long enough already 17:04 <[Demo]> its a whole branch of 5levels with a secret 6th level that you can escape in celestial disgrace from if you'd like 17:04 has anyone tried speedrunning it? 17:04 <[Demo]> you cant cause you cant ascned it 17:04 tariru 17:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 17:06 > Tries slex 17:06 > Ascends on first try 17:08 > plays a bit more 17:08 > ascends all other games too 17:09 <[Demo]> what is splice infernal? 17:10 p - an uncursed rustproof +11 pick-axe named Righteous Pick-axe. 17:10 dig all the things 17:11 including monsters 17:11 reminds me of the first iteration of the sheol crystal pick 17:11 <[Demo]> how enchanted was it of a pick axe? 17:12 well bugger me. you'd think it would always dig in a single turn, but no 17:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:12 [Demo]: it wasn't enchanted, it just had insane flat damage 17:12 same as a plain old +7 pickaxe 17:12 <[Demo]> ah 17:12 forgot the actual value 17:13 lets see, i guess we can look in the un commits 17:13 <[Demo]> why did it use flat damage? 17:13 man something is seriously wrong with github nowadays 17:14 You have triggered an abuse detection mechanism. 17:14 Please wait a few minutes before you try again. 17:14 fucking fuck github 17:14 are you fucking kidding me 17:14 <[Demo]> uhh it deserves to be abused 17:14 yes 17:15 We couldn’t find any commits matching 'sheol' in UnNetHack/UnNetHack 17:15 cool story github 17:16 imma just check adeons github and see his commits for unnethack 17:16 <[Demo]> are there any nethack variants that have places with high tide and low tide based on time of day? 17:16 wait hm isn't it actually hosted on SF 17:23 [Demo]: correction, it wasn't flat 17:24 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:24 <[Demo]> ah ok 17:24 it seems you can't even define flat damage for weapon tools 17:25 or do i see that wrong 17:25 <@Tone> aklys are so good in 361 17:25 <@Tone> I never realized wizards could get skilled in club 😄 17:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2900 17:27 ok the first incarnation of crystal pick had d18 vs small and d12 vs. large, one-handed 17:28 i guess +11 is still better than d18 17:29 ah well 17:29 oh man all those guest41 commits 17:30 i was really super mean to them all things considered for no apparent reason 17:30 <[Demo]> i wanna play the new pokemon hoenn games 17:30 <[Demo]> cause the first ones were good 17:30 When did new ones get announces 17:31 <[Demo]> i think the new hoenn ones came out a couple years ago now idk 17:32 Oh you mean Omega Ruby/Alpha Saphire 17:32 I thought you meant there were like, new new ones 17:32 <[Demo]> yeah im trying to grab the red one 17:33 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 17:33 [Demo]: I have a digital code for it I could send you 17:34 I don't need it I have a physical copy also 17:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 17:34 <[Demo]> I dont have the hardware to run it 17:34 <[Demo]> hoping theres an emulator for whatever hardware it runs on by now that actually works 17:34 Citra... functions. 17:35 <[Demo]> yeah i googled and found citra but i have no idea if thatll actually work out but ill find out in maybe half an hr if things stay fast 17:36 It's ok I guess. You still need to have an actual 3ds in order for it to work though 17:36 <[Demo]> oh 17:37 <[Demo]> how? 17:38 The way Citra works, you need to have an actual 3ds dump its data, plug a game cart in, dump the *game*'s data, and then you can use that with the emulator. 17:38 You also need to "jailbreak" said 3ds to get the dumping utility on it 17:38 It's a ton of work 17:38 <[Demo]> so i also need to grab some sort of 3ds data dumb type thing? 17:39 Theoretically you could get *a* data dump by less legal means but I honestly have no idea where one would find that 17:42 Honestly, if you do get a 3ds, Ultra Sun/Moon are so much better 17:45 what was the way again to find the VS in 3.6.1? 17:45 can i do trap detection? 17:47 also i just wasted 15 minutes doing basically nothing 17:48 <@Tone> lol 17:48 <@Tone> I was managing my inventory and didn't realize a rope golem was attacking me the entire time 17:48 <@Tone> doh 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] toneLive (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 6032 points, T:7109, killed by a rope golem 17:49 <[Demo]> you ca do trap det in 3.6.1 17:49 wait what 17:49 <@Tone> !lastgame 17:49 @Tone: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/toneLive/nh361/dumplog/1532198213.nh361.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nh361/dumplog/1532196431.nh361.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1532190874.dnh.txt 17:50 <@Tone> I let it attack me for 5 straight turns lol 17:52 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 17:55 K2: Doesn’t sacrificing a werewolf usually make the gods angry regardless of race? I thought they were assumed to be the same race as the player (in vanilla at least, grunt is different) 17:55 AntiGulp: Messages from K2 and [Demo] have been forwarded to you privately. 17:55 AntiGulp: not sure. i know in grunthack you can sac werewolves if they are a different race 17:56 i always assumed werewolves were always human (vanilla) 17:56 stenno: you can't even define flat damage (except dmg = 1) for any weapons, can you? Small and large damage is implied to be 1d(dmg). 17:56 Hmmm according to the wiki they are considered human. This sounds like an error in race tags on my part. I’ll take a look at it, sorry your game suffered. 17:56 no worries 17:57 I mean, you can kludge things in dmgval() to fix it to some constant value. But you can't do it in objects.c. 17:57 now, if you want there to be different races of werefoo... 17:57 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:57 like what gh does 17:58 Actually that would be ideal, but I’d rather not bloat monst.c any more than I have to. In any case I should fix the tagging of angels as well though. 17:58 Hmmm yeah angels appear to be using the MH_HUMAN tag, that’s not what we want 17:58 ;) 17:59 and what race is an incantifier exactly? 17:59 i ate a goblin as one and was told i will suffer because of my cannibalism 18:00 Incantifer? That doesn’t sound like splice 18:00 it is 18:00 just happened a lil while ago 18:00 oh 18:00 infernal 18:00 sorry 18:00 i have the dumb 18:01 Ok I just figured this all out, and it is a rats nest. Apparently I improperly tagged the added races because the race MH tags are masks for M2 monster tags. The M2s are a bitfield, which is already filled up, and so I was stumped on what to do. This is going to be a less trivial fix than I anticipated. 18:02 we never leave beta stage. ever 18:03 Beta is forever 18:06 All right I’ll admit that I am not sure how to solve the bitfield issue. 18:06 The upside of all this is Splice is about to get some more interesting race/class combinations 18:07 heh 18:08 As the master lich grows up into an arch-lich, she expires! 18:09 …actually this might let me do some really cool stuff with angels being automatically hostile to infernals and vice versa, ooh 18:09 that's half the reason I genocide the highest level monsters of those classes if I get one from a throne 18:09 ^stenno 18:11 AntiGulp: probably you should extract the M2_[RACE] flags into a separate variable in the permonst struct 18:12 aosdict: I was afraid you were going to say that lol 18:12 actually that would be REALLY cool because then you could have half-foo characters 18:12 Oooooooh 18:12 half orc character: MRACE_HUMAN | MRACE_ORC 18:13 not sure what the _benefits_ of this would be though 18:13 you never play ad&d? 18:13 half elves and half orcs were a thing back in the 70's 18:13 never played d&d of any sort 18:14 all campaigns I joined have fallen apart after 1 or 2 sessions 18:14 I’ve played 3.0, 3.5, 4th, and 5th, and I know a bit of ad&d 18:14 i played a *lot* of 1st edition ad&d as a teenager 18:15 and regular d&d also 18:15 I'm one of those people who know a decent amount about D&D and have never played it 18:15 <[Demo]> what is splice infernal? 18:16 Hmm so I could definitely extract the race flags, but then I might have to rewrite every monster definition in monst.c 18:18 <[Demo]> write a script that does it 18:18 not *every* one 18:18 just the ones that had the race flags 18:18 which, granted, is a lot 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 238 points, T:759, killed by a wand, while helpless 18:20 Well I was assuming that I would have to stick another thing in the MONST() definition in order to initialize them, which would mean I’d have to do basically everything. 18:20 <[Demo]> yeah thats what dnh did 18:20 <[Demo]> dnh did a whole reflagging ordeal with monsters 18:20 <[Demo]> so instead of m1-3 theres like 4 categories and things make sense 18:21 I think I might open up a new branch to do that. It’s going to be frustrating, but I honestly think it will be worth it in the end. There’s even a comment in the code talking about moving the races to a seperate field. 18:22 yuss 18:22 out of gehe 18:23 20 min gehe run, that was super smooth 18:23 Wow, that’s fast! 18:23 well done 18:23 thx 18:23 probably now 2 hours in 18:24 incredible 18:24 well i still have to ascend 18:24 <[Demo]> dnh adds a lot of new races and uses them for artifacts 18:24 this will be annoying 18:24 no way I could do that without having something implode in my brain 18:25 i found my unihorn somewhere between baalze and asmo on the asc run lol 18:26 also got sleep res only on the asc run too 18:27 wait how am i supposed to do the planes without trap det 18:27 does not compute 18:27 i guess i could peer into oof 18:27 is that the right word 18:28 sounds disgusting 18:28 :( 18:28 I’ve done it by spamming clairvoyance? 18:28 you could always wander around zapping a SDD wand 18:29 trap det really doesn't work in 3.6.1? 18:29 you'd only need 2-3 tries for air, but fire and water would be trickier 18:29 Earth... you might just get lucky 18:29 apparently i didn't ascend a single 3.6.1 game yet because i would've noticed that 18:30 trap det works fine in 361 18:30 oh 18:30 oh man i am dumb 18:30 i did confused magic mapping 18:31 what does that do anyway? 18:31 nothing 18:31 same effect as cursed 18:31 well, not much 18:31 so no real effect for the planes 18:31 yeah 18:31 i wanted to be smart and detect vs with it 18:32 just saw the scrambled layout and then thought that it wouldn't work 18:32 don't think i have gold det IDed yet lol 18:32 gotta pay a visit to a shop or two 18:33 Iding gold that way would be a pita 18:33 as it is one of the 100 scrolls 18:34 still, narrows it down 18:34 ah lucky 18:34 now i got it 18:34 random-read 100zm scroll 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3406 18:36 NH should have a trap detection scroll and be done with the confused gold thing 18:36 imho 18:36 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 1043 points, T:1620, killed by a large mimic 18:37 AntiGulp: make sure to have the infrastructure-only commits (i.e. the splicehack independent stuff) be self contained. 18:37 Even better, maybe do it on a fork of vanilla so you can pull request it to the devteam. 18:38 aosdict: In regards to tagging monsters? 18:38 since there's a comment indicating that this is work that they want to get done, yes 18:39 That’s an excellent idea, thank you. I’ll start a fork to do this. Thinking about it more, I think it opens the door for some really cool potential features. 18:41 just don't do anything that would make stenno want to search it because then he will get mad at github 18:42 …unless, of course, github won’t let me fork it because I already have an existing fork. 18:42 * AntiGulp shakes fist at github 18:43 phew 18:43 ...then just branch off that? 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 3030 points, T:4786, killed by a soldier ant 18:44 hey I already had a vanilla branch that’s handy 18:44 30 min for asc run in total 18:44 ok 18:45 on the finishing line here 18:45 apart from =oConflict everything looks good enough 18:46 <[Demo]> what server is your game on? 18:46 <[Demo]> oh nbm 18:47 currently saved 18:49 man i don't want to do water 18:49 AntiGulp: wait, splicehack *is* the fork? 18:52 aosdict: SpliceHack is a fork on github off of vanilla. However, I keep a branch open that is just straight vanilla (in case of something like this coming up). I would create a new fork specifically for doing reflagging and nothing else, but apparently github doesn’t like this. 18:55 ok 18:56 my setup for xnethack is that it's its own self contained repo, and I also maintain a fork of nethack/nethack that I use for vanilla-only stuff like that. 18:58 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 18:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 19:00 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:01 go stenno 19:01 Lets go stenno 19:01 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 19:03 uhhhm 19:03 shit man 19:03 escaped-thingy 19:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:44989 19:03 i think i am fainting now 19:03 nope 19:04 If i catch the RNG at the demigod bar his ass is gonna get stomped 19:04 3rd altar 19:04 One cloak of MR, is that so much to ask for? 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:45039 19:05 phew 19:05 that was super intense lol 19:05 yusss 19:06 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:45138 19:06 that was super smooth water lol 19:07 got lucky there 19:07 Woo! 19:08 Congrats sten 19:08 thx thx 19:09 finally a successful run 19:11 that was such a chaotic astral lmao 19:13 congrats, stenno! 19:13 yay thanks 19:13 congrats to your ascension earlier if i'm not mistaken 19:13 thanks! 19:14 elbereth-less, noice 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:45608 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45613 19:15 <@Tone> 'grats all 😄 19:15 ^_^ 19:15 didn't know 3.6.1 tracked that, neat 19:15 may try for it now! 19:15 oh dywypi defaults to y now 19:15 oh6: i think only on hardfought 19:16 oh right hdf 19:16 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:16 I wonder if hdf has fixed the menu-search bug 19:18 congrats stenno 19:18 thx thx 19:18 i would've died if i didn't successfully poly =oConflict 19:18 oh6: hdf is still on 3.6.1, we havent cut over to bleeding edge. yet 19:19 oh6: also, our version of 3.6.1 is much like 343-nao 19:19 we added extra quality of life bits 19:19 e word tracking being one of them 19:19 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:993 19:22 Figurines are magical tools, right? So i can get magic markers by polypiling them? 19:23 2h30 realtime apparently 19:23 meh 19:23 thats a bit disappointing tbh 19:23 ah well 19:24 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) stole 75 zorkmids of merchandise from the used armor dealership of Artvin on T:96311 19:24 probably still 3.6.1 WR 19:24 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24 <@IceBox> does the "averted death" message mean AoLS procced? 19:24 yeah 19:24 <@IceBox> also grats 😃 19:25 thanks :D 19:25 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) stole 960 zorkmids of merchandise from the pet store of Librazhd on T:96330 19:25 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) stole 30 zorkmids of merchandise from the general store of Adjama on T:96334 19:25 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) stole 28 zorkmids of merchandise from the canned food factory of Sala on T:96343 19:26 raiding the town? 19:26 <@IceBox> If a sleep ray "hits" a monster who is not resistant, but doesn't fall asleep does that mean they had an MC check against it or something? 19:26 <@IceBox> in this case a unicorn 19:26 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 19:27 yes 19:27 <@luxidream> gj stenno! 19:28 <@luxidream> What was the time? 19:28 2h30 :/ 19:28 its ok 19:29 -!- realinari has left #hardfought 19:29 i am fine but not happy 19:29 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 19:29 at least i have a good idea now what to improve 19:30 wallclock time is like 4h50 or so lol 19:30 didn't even try for that 19:32 <@luxidream> that’s really good. If you didn’t make huge mistakes I’d be happy with it 19:32 <@luxidream> Looks like you had a lot of good loot this game 19:32 yeah i got early speed boots, boh and magic marker 19:32 no early wish though 19:32 and wow was 0:1 19:33 how long does the scoreboard take to update? it has been 28 minutes now 19:33 <@luxidream> What’d you beat castle with 19:33 tonal 19:34 stealth is OP 19:34 normally about 10 19:34 i think Mandevil is working on the board 19:34 oh ok 19:34 its in the xlog so all is fine 19:34 @luxidream i found a barracks on my way down, stealthed into it, killed a red @ and he dropped a bugle 19:35 <[Demo]> wow nice fast wow 19:35 <@luxidream> good thinking on your part 19:35 luckily he didn't use it lol 19:35 <@luxidream> I’ll need to remember that one 19:35 <@luxidream> oh yeah 19:35 <@luxidream> true 19:36 think he attack-wanded me instead 19:36 maybe there's some priorities there? 19:37 <@luxidream> you’d think real-time should be on dumplogs 19:37 yeah only wallclock time 19:37 <@luxidream> It seems like something players would want to know 19:37 realtime is in xlog in seconds 19:37 mh 19:37 only some players, i guess :P 19:38 its probably the only thing thats in xlog but not in dumplog 19:41 K2: https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery yields some php error 19:41 crap 19:43 <@IceBox> the face when you're pressing keys too fast and dont realize/remember that fountains and water tiles use the same symbol reversed 19:43 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/470375198219173891/unknown.png 19:43 i recently updated the wp to phpbb bridge 19:43 apparently something broke 19:43 stupid php and their superglobals 19:43 s/their/its lol 19:44 <@luxidream> icebox what were those before haha 19:44 <@IceBox> i hadn't ID'ed them yet...was just about to 19:45 <@IceBox> so we'll never know 19:45 <@IceBox> i guess that's better? 19:45 <@IceBox> but i'm assuming 5 blessed genocide 19:45 <@IceBox> or 2 geno 3 charging 19:45 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 19:45 :( 19:46 <@luxidream> I guess you can polypile now? 19:46 ah well, bedtime for me, happy hacking 19:46 <@luxidream> might as well make the most of it 19:46 i will grind some more tomorrow i think 19:46 <@luxidream> night stenno 19:46 o7 19:49 <@IceBox> yeah polypiling is a really good call, i'll probably have to do that 19:49 <@IceBox> cuz i have a MM...but i'm worried about not knowing the scrolls now, haha 19:51 stenno working now 19:51 not the way i want but whatever... 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 3347 points, T:5503, killed by an owlbear 19:55 @luxidream when you played sporkhack as a chaotic knight, you didnt get dirge from dipping your long sword correct? you had to sac for it? 19:56 <@luxidream> Same race sac 19:57 <@luxidream> it’s cool early game 19:57 oooh same race 19:57 <@luxidream> Then everything resists it 19:57 ok hah 19:59 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:00 i wonder if i can find a HoOA and dip for excalibur 20:00 oh btw i am claiming 3.6.1 realtime world record for now unless someone proves otherwise 20:00 \o/ 20:01 <@luxidream> challenge accepted 20:01 ^_^" 20:01 <@luxidream> challenge accepted 20:01 gogo 20:04 <@Tone> Nice, grats stenno 20:04 i am somewhat pulling that out of my arse though 20:05 at least its faster than any ascension on NAO 20:05 <@Tone> I think there are probably a lot of 361 records up for grabs still 20:05 gotta poke mandevil if he can query the scoreboard for me 20:05 yeah 20:05 <@Tone> What's the longest 361 streak? 20:05 <@luxidream> what's the record for 3.6.0 20:05 3.6.0 had realtime broken 20:06 so there is no reliable record 20:06 <@Tone> You might have the fastest 360 game lux 😄 20:06 i have a really fast 3.6.0 game too 20:06 <@luxidream> mine was 2:32 20:06 can i get the realtime from the ttyrecs i wonder? 20:06 shoul 20:06 d 20:06 <@Tone> Yeah I think so stenno 20:07 <@Tone> I came across a few ttyrec analysis tools for nethack recently 20:07 * stenno only knows jettyplay 20:07 <@Tone> One tracked when you hit certain milestones and whatnot 20:07 <@Tone> Jettyplay will actually tell you real-time too 20:08 <@Tone> It's to the right of the progress bar 20:08 <@luxidream> you can't sort by duration on scoreboard 20:08 <@luxidream> only on personal player pages 20:09 yeah i have to concatenate all the savegames then 20:09 <@luxidream> actually, there was this soga guy 20:09 <@luxidream> in devnull 2017 20:10 <@luxidream> he was 2h 54 20:10 if its a touhou reference and super fast, its adeon 20:11 <@luxidream> oh 20:11 <@luxidream> we had some discussion in ootc about who this unknown was who was super fast 20:11 <@luxidream> that clears it up...lol 20:13 <@luxidream> also it was junethack, not devnull 20:13 -!- Schrubber1 has joined #hardfought 20:14 -!- Schrubber has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:21 grats stenno! 20:21 thx ^_^ 20:22 also disregard that i wanted to sleep like 40 minutes ago 20:24 heh, I was just wondering :D 20:26 <@luxidream> wow, stenno 20:26 <@luxidream> these turncounts are super clean 20:27 <@luxidream> like everything is under 20k 20:33 i guess 20:35 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 20:39 idk the magic of ttyrec concatenation 20:41 <@Tone> I wonder if any of those tools I came across take multiple ttyrecs as input 20:42 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:42 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 6162 points, T:5089, killed by invisible Yeenoghu 20:42 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 20:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 20:43 <@luxidream> oof 20:43 <@luxidream> how? 20:43 i sacced an elf 20:43 he was summoned 20:43 i didnt get dirge 20:44 so i said fuck it and swung at him 20:44 <@luxidream> ? 20:44 <@luxidream> that's how I got dirge...? 20:44 maybe because the elf was tame 20:44 i dunno 20:44 found a figurine of a woodland elf and applied it 20:45 <@rikersan> dirge? 20:45 <@luxidream> poison longsword in spork 20:45 <@rikersan> ah 20:45 <@luxidream> chaotic excal equivalent 20:45 it should be acid not poison 20:45 <@luxidream> it's poison 20:45 <@luxidream> that's why it sucks later 20:45 no i mean, it should be acid 20:46 so it doesnt sucj late game 20:46 sucvk 20:46 bah 20:46 <@luxidream> yeah, it'd be on par with excal then 20:46 hmmm 20:46 hmmmmmmmm 20:46 <@luxidream> but idk what happened. I was orc knight 20:47 ah well 20:47 <@luxidream> could it be different based on your race 20:47 brb 20:47 <@luxidream> idk 20:51 bad things happen when you sacc pets 20:57 wasn't that considered a pretty good balance to unnethack grimtooth? early game it poisons everything, but late game it's not as effective/ 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 476 points, T:1495, killed by a gnome lord 21:20 found 2 magic markers on the floor within 5 squares of each other 21:21 <@rikersan> what 21:21 M - an uncursed magic marker (0:44) 21:21 N - an uncursed magic marker (0:87) 21:21 <@rikersan> dang 21:21 <@rikersan> what level is this? 21:21 fourk gehennom 38 21:22 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:22 i already had 5 magic markers, 4 of which haven't been recharged yet 21:22 heh, I like how the variant is a coordinate 21:23 <@rikersan> what 21:23 this game has been insane for resources 21:23 i had almost nothing for the first 40k turns 21:24 then i had about 150 spellbooks and 250 potions 21:24 <@rikersan> !whereis hothraxxa 21:24 @rikersan: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [4k]: (Mon Hum Fem Cha) T:55303 Gehennom level: 38 21:24 <@rikersan> holy crap 21:25 t:55303 because i've been messing around with poly and all the potions and spellbooks 21:25 i should have finished by now 21:25 having more fun messing around though 21:27 i think i'll revgeno about a dozen nurses, since fourk has nerfed hp gain through the magic of modern alchemy 21:27 oh i have three guaranteed scrolls of wishing to come 21:29 i've got another dozen blessed smoky potions but i've already had two wishes and two "you freed me" 21:30 and a throne wish 21:34 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 21:37 Could anyone more familiar to bitfields explain to me what ROLE_RACEMASK is doing in monflag.h? It’s messing with my tagging rewrite. 21:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] ptaff (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2717 points, T:4380, killed by a werewolf 21:39 0x0ff8 (looking at xnh, so, vanilla)... so 9 bits? 21:41 which in M2 flags is HUMAN | ELF | DWARF | GNOME | ORC | DEMON | MERC | LORD | PRINCE 21:41 but it probably doesn't *use* those extra four 21:42 I tried rewriting the MH flags to just use a new bitfield, but that seemed to mess it up unless I used the same bitfield values as the M2s did. 21:44 Hmmm, maybe its not a problem with racemask. Still not sure what’s going on though. 21:48 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 21:52 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) defeated Vlad the Impaler, on T:55696 22:02 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:06 another magic marker 22:06 x - an uncursed magic marker (0:73) 22:08 <@Dracunos> hax 22:10 I forgot that artifacts also use M2 flags. This is a nightmare. 22:10 <@rikersan> do the dnh reflagging 22:10 <@rikersan> dewit 22:17 This may take a while lol 22:30 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 22:37 @luxidream: there's no appareent special condition on getting dirge by saccing same race 22:37 i think you just got lucky 22:38 <@luxidream> hdf-us AntiGulp (Dev Hum Mal Neu), 504201 points, T:979200, killed by a small matter of programming 22:38 <@luxidream> So you get it on a random sacrifice? 22:38 it would still be useful late game as it confers drain res like excalibur does 22:38 yes 22:38 <@luxidream> I don’t understand 22:39 any chaotic could sac for it 22:39 A("Dirge", LONG_SWORD, 22:39 (SPFX_ATTK|SPFX_NOGEN|SPFX_RESTR|SPFX_DEFN|SPFX_INTEL),0,0, 22:39 DRST(5,0), SPDF_DRAIN, NO_CARY, 0, A_CHAOTIC, NON_PM, NON_PM, 3000L ), 22:39 non_pm twice 22:40 <@luxidream> Your sword is just supposed to squirm in your hand 22:40 no special condition like role first sac gift 22:40 <@luxidream> And it becomes dirge 22:40 <@luxidream> It’s not a sacrifice gift 22:40 wait 22:40 how exactly did you get dirge 22:41 <@luxidream> Same race sac 22:41 <@luxidream> I told you 22:41 so wtf did it not work for me 22:42 <@luxidream> bug? 22:43 <@luxidream> Try playing orc knight K2 22:43 <@luxidream> It should be easier to samerace anyway 22:43 i need to see this on my test build 22:44 <@rikersan> what branch is this? 22:44 <@rikersan> dev? 22:45 sporkhack 22:45 <@rikersan> ah 22:45 <@rikersan> I thought this was splicehack and was super confused 22:45 <@rikersan> wait hold up since when is sporkhack on urban dict 22:45 <@rikersan> > SporkHack is great fun. Too bad the developer's a pretentious asshole who thinks he's as good as the DevTeam and treats all YANIs posted to RGRN as personal requests to him to put stuff into the game. (Even blatantly non-serious ones.) 22:46 the sporkhack dev IS part of the devteam 22:46 * K2 pokes lorimer 22:46 <@rikersan> lol 22:47 you can call him a pretentious asshole direct if you like @rikersan ;) 22:47 that particular epithet was written far back in 2009-2011, i think :) 22:47 lorimer: Message from K2 at 2018-07-03 09:22 EDT: thanks for the info. and I fixed the demonbane 1st sac gift for priest bit 22:47 <@rikersan> ah 22:47 insert awkward silence here 22:47 k2: w00t. you'll have to keep an eye on whether it unbalances priest too much 22:47 i ascended 22:48 so no complaints ;) 22:48 I'm trying to remember who actually wrote that at the time 22:48 i vote we blame bhaak 22:48 there were more than a few people on RGRN who basically were very unhappy that I was BBQing their sacred cow and wasn't interested in making CommunityHack 22:48 <@rikersan> > start game 22:48 <@rikersan> > random lamp on ground 22:48 <@rikersan> > elsewhere on level is random potion of water 22:48 <@rikersan> > dip lamp in water 22:48 <@rikersan> > #rub 22:48 <@rikersan> > hostile djinni 22:48 heh 22:48 <@rikersan> fml it was blessed I think 22:49 lorimer: so right now i'm trying to understand exactly how a dark knight acquires dirge 22:49 .reads back briefly 22:49 about to grep but since you're here ;) 22:50 same-race sac while holding a longsword, i bet 22:50 see 22:50 thats what luxidream said 22:50 i did it earlier today, nada 22:50 you were wielding a longsword? 22:50 but it was probably because the same race i killed was a tame pet 22:50 i was 22:50 i was playing elf 22:50 ah, i bet tame pet overrides that 22:51 would make sense 22:51 sacrifice-pet kicks in very early in the sacrifice-a-thing chain 22:51 pissed off my deity, and yeenough came by for a visit instead 22:52 (sp) 22:52 ah well 22:52 yeah, that's probably it then -- downsides of nethack's tendency to make all actions chained IF statements 22:53 of course i'm the one to screw it up when all other conditions are correct 22:53 heh 22:54 actually, thinking about it, it might have even gone through that code, but your deity was pissed at you by the time it checked so he wouldn't have granted you anything 22:54 i'd have to go back and dig through to figure out precisely what order, but i'd be surprised if it wasn't something like one of those two 22:55 i need to play through to ascension with dirge. perm poisoned blade sounds cool but i dont see it being that effective damage wise late game 22:55 <@luxidream> lorimer: I noticed massively increased AC in a lot of monsters in spork. Was this applied to all monsters or mostly nasties 22:55 5% chance of instakill is the hidden benefit of Dirge but it only works on some things of course 22:55 right 22:56 luxi: All monsters got a boost based on level -- low level critters got basically nothing, nasties got a lot 22:56 most of what you'd encounter late game (esp planes) poison wont affect 22:56 yep. gehennom is no place for it, but Astral it suddenly shines again 22:57 oh wait... angels not poison res are they 22:57 don't remember if angels are, but playermonsters definitely aren't 22:57 its like the brands 22:58 frost for gehennom, fire for astral 22:58 yep. golfbag++ 22:58 ;) 22:58 <@luxidream> I see. That change does a lot to make endgame harder 22:58 i am toying around the idea of switching poison to acid damage 22:59 and instead of drain res, acid res 23:00 wanna play around with that on my test build, see if thats balanced or too much 23:00 luxi: yeah, i think i figured it out at one point - in vanilla disenchanters have max critter AC of -10, so with +13 luck and a +7 weapon at basic, you were able to hit everything in the game by level 15-16 23:00 k2: almost nothing is acid resistant, but almost nothing does acid damage, too 23:00 <@luxidream> is it double damage? Might be too strong 23:00 aaaahhh i keep having grunthack on the brain 23:00 in gh, acid damage is a Thing™ 23:01 dirge isn't double damage, it's a +X 23:01 a +dX, i mean (not sure if it was just d6 or if i boosted it to d10) 23:03 +5 to hit like excalibur, and the DRST attack triggers the poison-damage code, so probably just +d6 23:03 but the chance of instakill is hard to properly convert to damage, so in practice the EV is more than just +3.5 23:04 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04 acid res would still be cool to have (spotted and ochre jellies, yellow dragons) 23:04 hmm 23:04 i don't remember what i gave yellow DSM 23:04 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 23:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 23:04 <@luxidream> I think d10 is better. At d6 excal outshines it over 95% of the time 23:04 yeah i need to play a full game to ascension with dirge before i attempt any changes 23:05 luxi: well, figure the biggest HP critters in the game are ~100-120 23:05 luxi: and 5% of the time it does +MAXHP 23:06 drain res is still a big deal 23:06 excalibur is EV +5.5, dirge is EV +3.5 -if- not poison resistant. it's hard to compare the two 23:07 yup, chaotic elves for the forseeable future 23:07 hehe 23:07 ELFSES 23:07 :) 23:07 something i need to address before next junethack 23:07 1) i want to add livelogging 23:08 2) in my last game, all the shops in minetown were showing as deserted even though the shopkeepers were there 23:08 i just picked stuff up and walked out 23:08 couldnt sell anything either 23:09 <@luxidream> about minetown, I’d also like to add 23:09 <@luxidream> there’s one with very high level q and f 23:09 yeah that was the one 23:09 luckily no one had let them out 23:09 zootown? 23:09 zoooo town 23:09 zoolandertown 23:09 <@luxidream> The zoo is always open for me 23:10 the watch captain has the key :) 23:10 <@luxidream> I narrowly avoided dying from running for my life 23:10 <@luxidream> no it starts unlocked 23:10 my last game earlier today, the cage was locked 23:10 it shouldn't -- it should start locked, and the captain should be what unlocks it 23:10 whenever he bumbles into the door 23:10 <@luxidream> Even if he’s peaceful? 23:11 yep 23:11 <@luxidream> He must have opened it out of my sight then 23:11 sure why not. watch captain is a dick 23:11 <@luxidream> worse than orctown lol 23:11 critters with keys can unlock doors in SH - in vanilla, nothing ever had a key 23:11 you can always pacify the mammoth :) 23:12 <@luxidream> with what? 23:12 try throwing food at it 23:12 <@luxidream> oh, that’s interesting! 23:12 it's a potential pet type now 23:12 <@luxidream> good to know 23:12 only cavemen can tame it, but you should be able to calm it down 23:13 oh man 23:13 i didnt know that 23:13 captaaaaain caaaaave maaaaaaan 23:13 the peaceful-to-food was an unexpected side effect of making it tameable by cavemen 23:13 ok so, can cavemen ride said mammoth? 23:14 all tameable critters act that way, it's just that they're always dogs/cats/ponies before. 23:14 i -think- i made it rideable with a saddle, but you might want to check the code on that one 23:14 hahahah weeee 23:14 totally checking that out 23:14 but... mammoths are kinda slow. it might not be an improvement over being very fast 23:15 tame mammoth w/ wand of speed is a force to be reckoned with 23:15 i've used them late game before 23:15 other than, you know, mammoth cavalry > a lot of things 23:15 hannibal had a lot of success for a reason 23:15 ;) 23:15 <@luxidream> well, I’m glad that isn’t just deathtown lol 23:16 deathtown lol 23:16 "Where a t'ousand elephants want to go, dey don't need no roads." - T. Pratchett 23:16 ohfuckmetown 23:16 i'm going to stop right there, because I could do this all night 23:18 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:18 -!- stenno is now known as Guest21971 23:19 thanks again for the tidbits lorimer 23:19 np - thanks for the flashback :D 23:19 <@luxidream> yeah, thanks! 23:19 <@luxidream> we should improve some of the spork documentation on the wiki 23:21 its sporadic 23:21 <@luxidream> right now it looks like “there are changes” 23:21 there's sporkhack references all over 23:22 i havent changed game play, only QoL and bugfixes 23:22 <@luxidream> the main page is very lacking 23:22 -!- Guest21971 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:25 critters with keys can unlock doors in SH - in vanilla, nothing ever had a key <-- spork didn't change any AI there though right? afaik in vanilla a monster with a key will unlock and open any doors it finds 23:26 just, yes, the only monsters that ever get them are shks 23:26 and nothing else picks them up 23:26 right, there was just no way for an ordinary monster to get a key in vanilla 23:27 <@luxidream> Pets pick them up and use them 23:27 spork only added the bonesfile angle - if you were carrying a key and a monster looted your body, it might have a key now 23:27 <@luxidream> prevents you from containing them 23:27 <@luxidream> very annoying 23:29 well just make sure you contain them somewhere without a key 23:30 <@luxidream> No, once they have the key, you can’t lock them in rooms anymore. Then they kill everyone in minetown 23:33 <[Demo]> wild 23:33 be glad it isnt grunthack 23:33 monsters with kets will open doors and containers and loot said containers 23:33 keys 23:34 <@luxidream> FIQhack 23:36 hah no way 23:36 co aligned altar in starting room 23:37 i'll be dead soon 23:39 <@luxidream> good luck getting elves to spawn on DL:1 23:39 <@luxidream> elf zombie maybe 23:39 cant sac undead 23:39 wow neutral altar same lvl 23:40 <@luxidream> changed in sporkhack? In vanilla age is ignored 23:40 <@luxidream> If it is same race 23:40 really 23:40 <@luxidream> yes. Also ignored for unicorns and pets 23:40 damn... learning all sorts of stuff today 23:40 <@luxidream> because of the if statement things 23:46 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]