00:00 <@rikersan> I mean, elf priests are bugged so not great 00:00 <@rikersan> and drow/hedrow are kinda OP early game 00:00 <@rikersan> but otherwise they're reasonably strong, not super grea ttho 00:00 <@rikersan> what makes you call them good? 00:00 <@luxidream> damage bonus on artis is a pretty sizeable benefit 00:00 <@rikersan> ya 00:00 <@rikersan> but it's not too much better than most QAs 00:00 <@rikersan> priest one is pretty shite 00:01 <@rikersan> and they don't have super great weapon options, it's really just making any artifact viable 00:01 <@rikersan> @lapis scratch that: let's just do human priest 00:02 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02 <@luxidream> I’ve gotten pretty far with dwa noble but they have shit for anything that isn’t melee 00:03 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 00:03 <@luxidream> So I’d like to play something that can actually cast or have a ranged attack 00:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:56726 00:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Luxidream (Nob Dwa Mal Law), 93920 points, T:24171, quit 00:10 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 00:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Elf-Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2360 00:12 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:15 <@lapis> i'm fine with human if you want, next time this one dies 00:15 <@lapis> tbf, priests can get expert in flail 00:15 <@lapis> quicksilver is crazy op for them 00:16 <@lapis> i don't mind a new race/role pick or just a new race pick, whichever you feel like based on the games so far 00:18 <@luxidream> how good is a silver khakkara 00:18 <@luxidream> does it stack with a robe 00:18 <@lapis> fairly good if you have quarterstaff skill, or are fighting silver haters 00:18 <@lapis> it should 00:18 <@lapis> it does 1d3 dice of silver damage instead of 1 dice like other silver weapons 00:20 <@luxidream> huh, guess it's worth keeping around then 00:21 <@lapis> the spellcasting bonus alone is pretty good if you're casting 00:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1318 points, T:1442, killed by a gnome king 00:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Elf-Pri Elf Fem Cha) was given Mirrorbright, on T:3364 00:26 <@lapis> not the best artifact 00:32 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1310 points, T:1190, killed by a quasit 00:34 <@luxidream> did not know they could do demon gating 00:35 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 00:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Elf-Pri Elf Fem Cha) was given Fire Brand, on T:4330 00:35 <@lapis> ahh, much better 00:36 <@lapis> not a permanent option but it'll do for a while 00:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:58365 00:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 6425 points, T:4615, killed by a rope golem 00:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 624 points, T:730, killed by a bolt of lightning 00:39 <@lapis> alright, switching to human priest until i hear otherwise 00:41 <@lapis> what hit you with lightning luxi? 00:42 gwawol? 00:44 <@luxidream> gnome 00:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:45 <@luxidream> also why is the sunless sea on dl 5 00:46 <@lapis> very interesting luck? 00:46 * aosdict reads gwawol as "gnome who's AWOL" 00:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Luxidream (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 3293 points, T:2675, killed by a dwarf 00:52 <@luxidream> wow, these guys are unhittable 01:02 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 01:05 YANI: new monster, "gwawol". Just like an ordinary gnome but automatically starts with a wand of lightning 01:06 I put a +1 dwarvish cloak and a +1 plate mail onto my poly pile, zapped, and I got a +1 elven cloak out of it 01:06 and a presumably +1 splint mail, but who could be bothered checking 01:07 anyway, proof that you can get magic items from mundane ones 01:07 occasionally 01:30 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:30 -!- lynn_ has joined #hardfought 01:31 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:31 -!- lynn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:31 -!- lynn_ is now known as lynn 01:33 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 01:33 -!- lynn is now known as Guest55067 01:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:45 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 02:08 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 02:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:01 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:15 -!- Muadd has joined #hardfought 03:18 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:33 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:36 -!- Muadd has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:46 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:14 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:27 haha, general shop on soko entry level has a bag of holding! 04:28 99% likely to get bagoban now 04:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:38 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 05:44 !time 05:44 Grassy: Thu Jul 19 05:44:04 2018 EDT 05:53 !time 05:53 Grassy: Thu Jul 19 05:53:59 2018 EDT 05:54 got a gremlin to kill 05:54 I can wait 6 minutes 06:00 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 06:02 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:09 !time 06:09 Grasshopper: Thu Jul 19 06:09:20 2018 EDT 06:09 wooot gremlin time 06:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:36 Vanilla Nethack getting BORING? Doing soko mazes in your sleep and while sitting on the train? Want a CHANGE? Try.... LAGOBAN! Do Sokoban from a server halfway around the planet, and bounce your signal off a server in yet another country while you're doing it! 06:37 Make sure your wifi router is no closer than 40m from your current position for the full experience 06:38 think mine's at 50m 07:02 [hdf-us] [un] mkarrasch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 25143 points, T:12639, killed by a gremlin 07:28 [hdf-us] [un] mkarrasch (Val Hum Fem Law), 1392 points, T:2337, killed by a giant bat 07:33 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 07:41 Reflectoban! The RNG is just playing games with me, waiting for the right moment to strike... 07:42 Dammit I lost a lot of zorkmids on that bet... what is the zorkmid => bitcoin exchange rate again? 08:01 hi 08:01 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 08:04 Grasshopper: the ZOR/BTC exchange rate is server dependant. the server admins have different bribe levels 08:13 ;) 08:21 I'll give you 10 zorcoins (zorkoins?) 08:22 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:28424 08:27 The tengu staggers from your powerful strike! 08:27 The tengu drowns. 08:27 \o/ 08:27 pushed it back right into a pool hah 08:29 nice K2! looks like that is going well :) 08:30 everything in nethack really needs swimming lessons 08:30 yeah, barring anything stupid, should be another asc 08:32 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Geryon, on T:28549 08:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4579 08:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:37 super drowning skills 08:41 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:28804 08:59 wow I got 2 big rooms. That seems unfair. 09:01 in what variant is that possible? 09:02 dNethack, apparently. 09:03 SLEX as well, although I'm not sure if in the same branch 09:05 I'm attempting to add oracle variants at the moment and the process of getting it to recognize oracle-1.lev, oracle-2.lev instead of just oracle.lev is much more annoying than everything else 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3951 09:18 shouldn't it be just change the oracle line from LEVEL: "oracle" "O" @ (5, 5) to RNDLEVEL: "oracle" "O" @ (5, 5) 2 ? 09:21 yes but figuring out that that was the right thing to do took a while 09:22 in particular, if you fail to change it to RNDLEVEL, the game installs correctly but panics with "can't find Vlad" once it tries to load 09:23 having the wrong oracle makes it fail to find Vlad? interesting 09:39 <@rikersan> @luxidream sunless sea and temple of moloch can have downstairs on any leve in the dungeon above medusa 09:39 <@rikersan> so yes, on dlvl 1 even 09:40 <@rikersan> some of them are more lethal than others as well (ex: peanut island vs deeper one nest) 09:42 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 09:43 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:29182 09:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 2018 points, T:2953, killed by a hill orc 09:52 rikersan: you here? *bundlebundlebundle* ;) 09:56 *dividedividedivide* 09:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:01 <@rikersan> yes 10:01 jonadab is a pudding that splits when bundling happens? 10:01 <@rikersan> idk for how much more tho 10:02 <@rikersan> waht do you desire of me amy 10:02 rikersan: aww... I wanted to bundle you into testing the slex 2.27 beta version, available only on the esm server ;) 10:02 <@rikersan> ah 10:02 <@rikersan> anything in particular? 10:02 <@rikersan> like new roles or races 10:02 there's three new roles: hussy, mason and anachronounbinder 10:03 <@rikersan> did you make addict hybridable yet 10:03 <@rikersan> oh my god did you port it directly from ndnh 10:03 hahaha :D nah, slex's acu is different 10:03 <@rikersan> oh good 10:03 addict isn't hybrid-eligible, sorry 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "valkarees r smrt", on T:11535 10:04 <@rikersan> please make it that 10:04 why? 10:04 <@rikersan> so I can dick around with maxed stats without instadying the first time I hit a special room 10:04 <@rikersan> cuz confusion overrides safemove, so I keep walking into lava/water 10:05 well that's by design; there has to be a disadvantage to having max stats 10:05 <@rikersan> confusion is fine 10:05 <@rikersan> just make it not override safemove 10:05 <@rikersan> confusion already kills spells and scrolls os 10:05 <@rikersan> but anyway, if you want to tell me baout the 3 new roles I'll test them 10:05 if you can obtain confusion resistance, savemove comes back 10:06 mason: has a technique that creates (diggable) walls and is otherwise a pretty solid melee role 10:06 <@rikersan> hm I think I remember you brainstorming this 10:06 hussy: challenge role with few skills and a special conduct that requires her to hit a male monster every once in a while 10:07 <@rikersan> how about no 10:07 acu: starts with no skills, but the more you perform actions that would train skills, the more you will uncap them upon leveling up 10:08 <@rikersan> hm 10:08 <@rikersan> actions = anything that normally trains skills? 10:08 yes, so if you e.g. hit a lot of things with a long sword, you might unrestrict long sword with a cap of master or even better upon leveling up 10:08 <@rikersan> next level? 10:08 <@rikersan> I like this 10:09 which means you will unlock 29 skills over the course of the game 10:09 if you play your cards right, the acu can probably become rather powerful that way 10:10 <@rikersan> hm 10:10 <@rikersan> > it is written in the book of Demo 10:10 <@rikersan> lol 10:10 <@rikersan> hey how come I'm not in the pantheon I'm the acu beta tester 10:11 oh damn 10:11 <@rikersan> sunless sea? 10:11 no vlads tower. 10:11 <@rikersan> ah 10:12 I was force-bolting the closed drawbridge. Completely forgot about the open one. 10:12 that was a fairly promising game too... had 4 magic lamps lol. 10:14 nooooooo 10:15 :( 10:15 <@rikersan> rip 10:15 <@rikersan> alright axe at expert amy 10:15 <@rikersan> it's a +4 one from a shop 10:16 <@rikersan> I think 10:16 <@rikersan> it's 50 instead of 10 like the other and it's a fake arti 10:16 <@rikersan> that's +4, right? 10:18 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:22 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:22 this stupid lagging PC 10:25 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30152 10:25 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) picked up the Book of the Dead, on T:30154 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13125 10:29 !whereis k2 10:30 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [un]: (Valkyrie dwarven Fem lawful) T:2 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 10:30 rofl 10:30 no 10:30 !whereis k2 10:30 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [un]: (Valkyrie dwarven Fem lawful) T:5 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 10:33 @rikersan: sorry I had a gigalag but now I'm back; +4 means +4 to-hit and damage of course, quite good for the early game 10:33 !whereis k2 10:33 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [gh]: (Mon Elf Mal Neu) T:30182 Gehennom level: 44 10:33 ok 10:33 !players 10:33 K2: [hdf-us] dracunos [nh4] k2 [gh] hypnotist [nh361] hothraxxa [4k] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 10:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:43 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) performed the Invocation, on T:30420 10:43 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30427 10:50 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the elven high priestess of Moloch, on T:30545 10:50 <@Dracunos> No idea how you guys streak so many times, early game seems like such a crapshoot sometimes 10:50 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) picked up the Amulet of Yendor, on T:30548 10:50 copious use of the E word usually 10:50 but 10:50 <@Dracunos> What's the highest streak so far on 3.6.x? 10:51 Grasshopper streaks all the time without E 10:51 Tariru holds the record for streak 10:51 61 10:51 <@Dracunos> I mean after the e nerfs.. Although they kinda un nerfed it 10:52 right 10:52 Tariru 10:52 https://scoreboard.xd.cm/streaks.all.html 10:57 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:58 <@Dracunos> I guess 6.0 has been out longer than I thought 10:58 <@Dracunos> So how do you not die to extremely inopportune packs of soldier ants without e? 10:59 <@Dracunos> And the only wand you've found is speed monster :p 11:02 You generally avoid them, escape from them, or use ranged attacks. Or scare monster. 11:07 <@Dracunos> It just seems like there's so many situations where you don't have sm, your ranged attacks available aren't nearly enough, you don't see them until they are right on you 11:08 <@rikersan> most of those can be avoided by careful planning and positioning 11:08 <@Dracunos> Your pet is dead, you haven't found attack wands 11:08 <@rikersan> unless you play like tourist then you're kinda screwed 11:09 <@Dracunos> It's always like turning a corner and bam they are there in Oracle.. Or in mines your right in the middle of an open space and they pop up :p 11:09 <@Dracunos> Early tele plus blind fold is so nice when you get it 11:09 watch some tariru ttyrecs 11:09 or grasshopper 11:10 <@Dracunos> I try to catch tone reviewing them, but it's always after he's invincible 11:12 just watch them and think about what they do that you don't. pretty easy 11:12 you only have to watch the early game 11:12 <@rikersan> think about things like how you die too 11:13 <@rikersan> tariru's streakbreaking death was when he tried to follow a dwarf and he wasn't prepared for that 11:13 <@rikersan> lesson there: don't actively try to fight things 11:14 yeah, avoiding fights seems to be a rare strategy for early game but it sholdn't be 11:14 "but I need to level up!" 11:14 hard to level up when you're dead 11:16 <@Dracunos> I did finally get a knight to soko after a bunch of early deaths, and he was the one I was worrying about most for lack of leveling 11:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 11:17 <@Dracunos> Knights get jump and can run away so fast on the horse.. Plus 6.1 has a good E again, I probably shouldn't have died that many times :p 11:17 really? in tournaments, i like to play a knight for early game survivability 11:17 <@Dracunos> I feel pressured by lack of starting food I think and play more carelessly 11:18 do you starve much? 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:18887 11:19 <@Dracunos> Never starved since I started looking at spoilers :p 11:19 <@Dracunos> I usually go strait to soko anyway 11:20 for me some roles demand doing the mines first 11:20 <@Dracunos> I've mostly been dying when my maxhp is around like 30, so by the time I know I'm on danger I'm usually screwed.. But I'm improving on threat detection 11:20 gnome healers 11:20 <@Dracunos> Yeah I do mines when I'm a dwarf 11:21 or gnome. both are strong incentives to do they mines first 11:22 <@Dracunos> And I usually dip in for some armor 11:22 i hate it when my orc something pops down the mines and spots something like a lamp or a bag in the distance 11:24 and all the dwarves and gnomes kill you before you can reach it 11:26 <@Tone> @Dracunos Finding an escape item for those situations is important, whether it's a scroll of teleport or wand of digging/fire or whatever 11:26 it was an oil lamp or a sack anyway 11:27 you get there with 3 hp and loot a bag of tricks 11:27 <@Dracunos> How many times do you think you've died after finishing quest and castle 11:28 me? i think 4 11:28 all of them were yasd in hindsight 11:28 doesn't @Tone generally upload streams to youtube 11:29 <@Dracunos> I've seen a guy quit after that point, I think he got brain sucked and just said screw it, might have still been able to win 11:29 i never quit 11:29 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:30 <@Dracunos> Yeah at least go out in a blaze of glory 11:30 i have 6-7 quits on my record from back when i was setting up my rc on nao and didn't think about it 11:31 i've recovered from some pretty devastating disasters, and i find those the most satisfying 11:31 if you get brain sucked several times though... it can be really demoralizing 11:31 "oh, I should know what this thing is, but I guess I didn't keep track well enough" 11:31 <@Tone> aosdict: Yes, although I'm still working through my junethack ascensions 11:31 you shouldn't have to keep track imo 11:31 well you're the developer... 11:32 <@Tone> There should be two reviews of Tariru's games up there, an archeologist and a tourist 11:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:34 <@Dracunos> Do you remember any impressive moments where he somehow pulled through a tough situation 11:36 The voice of the Devil booms: "Thou shalt pay for thy indiscretion!" A manes appears before you. 11:36 <@Tone> Most of the time it's taking advantage of Elbereth or knowing when to use an escape item 11:37 You destroy the manes of the Devil! lmao 11:37 <@Dracunos> In 6.0? 11:37 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:37 <@Tone> I don't remember anything particularly notable, it's just knowing when to act and not wait until it's too late 11:38 <@Dracunos> So he just doesn't get into those situations in the first place 11:38 <@Tone> Yes Tariru uses Elbereth a lot in 360, despite how useless people seem to think it became 11:38 <@Tone> I do remember a time he almost died to a soldier ant in minetown 11:39 <@Tone> A less generous damage roll would have killed him 11:39 <@Tone> Don't remember how he got out of that one 11:39 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 11:39 <@Tone> That was the arc I think 11:40 <@Dracunos> I never use e, I probably could have easily gotten the no e conduct if I didn't use it for wand testing 11:40 <@Dracunos> I think I used it for nurse dancing once 11:41 <@Tone> It can be pretty useful 11:41 <@Tone> Saved me at least once recently 11:41 <@Tone> Soldier ant would have killed me 11:43 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:44 <@Dracunos> Somehow I feel worse about forgetting to knight jump vs forgetting e 11:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:45 <@Tone> Yeah jumping can be really good for escaping 11:46 <@Tone> Knight's jump is a little more limited but jumping in general is really fast movement 11:47 <@Dracunos> An chance of this int 7 knight casting any spells? :p 11:49 <@Dracunos> Oh it's wisdom for knights? 11:49 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 11:50 pretty useful> I can't speak for everyone who doesn't use E, but I don't use it _because_ it is so useful 11:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:53 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 11:54 <@Dracunos> The spell casting success formula is a little complicated 11:56 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/spellcliff.txt tries to elucidate the biggest inobvious consequence. 12:01 "a little complicated" is an understatement 12:03 True that but I think the rest of the consequences are pretty well what one might naively expect - small changes in stats and armour and spell level have small effects. Only XL has these whopping great step functions. 12:04 (well, and skills, but you can't make a small change to your skills) 12:04 yeah... I have no regrets about throwing that whole difficulty thing away 12:04 Curse you, don't break my spoilers. ;-) 12:05 no one is going to write xnh spoilers anyway 12:05 why not? 12:05 unless it gets to at least the player base size of unnethack 12:05 One (good) reason might be that if things are more predictable and less full of hidden massive gotchas, there's less of a need for spoilers. 12:06 raisse: well, my policy is that I'm not writing any spoilers - if a player wants to, they can go ahead and I'll link it as a resource etc 12:06 but I spend a lot of time on documentation as it is already 12:07 but that *you* aren't going to write spoilers (which I understand, and even applaud) doesn't mean *nobody* is 12:07 What I mostly want is "You know vanilla inside out; here is what will bite you in the arse in $variant". (FTAOD I am not asking you, or anyone, to write this. :-) 12:07 you're not everybody, after all. 12:22 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 12:26 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 12:26 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:26 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 12:27 These partly eaten lizard corpses will still work, right? 12:27 I had to eat two of them in melee combat with a footrice-armed centaur 12:27 I guess i stopped eating them halfway because of other monsters or whatever 12:28 Yeah, you can take a single bite of them, if you want 12:28 picaresquieu: Yes. Indeed being interrupted is to your advantage - you keep some bites of lizard corpse and use only one turn. 12:29 I've been taking on footrices hand-to-hand for the whole game and didn't need to use a lizard corpse til now 12:29 I need to find that damn MR cloak so i can use the chromatic dragon scales and not worry about stoning anymore 12:31 Imho this is probably the biggest drawback of playing chaotic: MR sources are hard to come by 12:32 <@rikersan> is this un? 12:32 Yeah 12:33 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 12:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:36 Aleaxes are always generated with (fixed +0) duplicates of the hero's equipment—this is how I came by my extra silver arrows and other equipment 12:37 (that is, @!& 12:37 Aleaxes in un) 12:37 I wonder if i could reverse genocide Aleaxes to farm for magic equipment, for polypiling? 12:37 I don't think A are genocideable (so not revgenocideable either) 12:38 Asking because i don't wanna burn my genocide scroll to find out 12:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38 <@rikersan> you can't rev geno A 12:39 you can only revgeno something if you can also geno it 12:39 Un handles genocide a little differently though, like a blessed genocide wipes out only one monster type instead of a class 12:39 oh right, there's that 12:39 So maybe the reverse geno works differently too 12:39 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 12:39 never tried genocide in un (normal or rev) so can't speak from experience 12:44 I think rev geno bypasses the usual monster inventory generation mechanics too though 12:45 In my last game i needed to find two more Nazgul, because I'm a dork and wanted all nine rings, and i rev geno'd for one but it had no ring or any equipment IIRC 12:46 Also, YANI/YASI: the rings that Nazgul carry should be artifacts, with autocurse, see invisible, maybe aggravate monster or telepathy 12:46 Thank you, Angband :-) 12:46 The idea is not that they're good artifacts in their own right but they do confer score, with maybe a nice bonus if you get all nine 12:46 Ugh, i don't have the iron will to be an Angband player 12:48 In the last few years the need for that iron will has mostly gone - partly due to changes in the game like no_selling and emphasising use-ID, but also partly down to a change in play orthodoxy which means the old endless grind is now felt to be a bad idea. 12:48 I won Angband 5?ish years ago and to my surprise had a pretty good time 12:48 It seems like a major hackfest 12:49 Collect loot, return to town, upgrade, lather, rinse, repeat 12:49 But you say there's no selling or something? How even 12:50 no_selling is optional (but use it). Gold drops increase, so you have similar purchasing power. Collect loot you actually want, don't constantly return to town to sell loot you don't. 12:50 Well that's good i guess 12:50 Twenty-three inventory slots is not a lot 12:51 It's masses once you aren't trying to fit in stuff you don't need, especially since your wielded/worn equipment doesn't count against it. 12:51 What's `no_selling` 12:51 I just remember playing through a bunch of levels fighting monsters that were functionally all alike 12:51 PavelB: Uh... it's described about four lines above 12:51 Oh I'm bad 12:52 picaresquieu: You do tab down a lot of monsters but at least in Angband they can actually pose a threat to make things interesting 12:52 In nethack monsters are "interesting," they all have a special feature or two 12:52 On the other hand they're boring in that between Team Ant and Rodney none of them can actually threaten you if you're not asleep. 12:52 Well, not once you've got all the right equipment 12:53 It's pretty widely acknowledged, right, that nethack has a steep difficulty dropoff from about midgame 12:54 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:55 Also this footrice-armed centaur very nearly just stoned my almost ascension-ready character twice :) 12:55 !who 12:55 PavelB: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:56 picaresquieu: Right, that could have been a serious threat if, say, the 'e' key was missing from your keyboard. But it wasn't. 12:57 Or if i had not spent a lot of frustration becoming a careful (and well-spoiled) player 12:57 I dunno, I'm not trying to make a point 12:59 Angband just isn't my style, even though i am a packrat 12:59 Or perhaps precisely for that reason 13:00 Well, it just may not be your thing at all, but it is worth considering if the thing that isn't your style is the old school "grind at 1500' for this resistance and 2000' for that one" approach 13:01 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:03 picaresquieu: Sadly, there are plenty of monsters that lack any real special features (it varies, based on exactly where you draw the line, but still) 13:03 see: most major demons 13:03 zruties 13:03 etc 13:04 I reckon 4/5 of the monsters you meet are sacks of HP and ineffective attacks 13:05 Pinkbeast: Well, if you extend that to be "monsters whose special thing is relevant to you while you're encountering it", then yes. 13:05 ... particularly, oh god, the ranger quest, --More-- your way through approximately a million messages about centaurs firing arrows and shaving about 3 HP off your 100+ 13:06 Now this is where a key missing from one's keyboard is actually a problem 13:06 On a PC i can Esc out of the battle spam, but when I'm on my tablet with Bluetooth keyboard that isn't an option 13:07 Esc out> except, aha, for the tiny chance there is an important message in there! 13:07 does your bluetooth keyboard have arrow keys or home/pgup/pgdown/end? 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 8764 points, T:8941, quit 13:07 Pinkbeast—yeah, i died to Scorpius on my first attempt at the Ranger quest that way... 13:08 Yes it does 13:09 Do those keys skip through messages? 13:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:16 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 13:17 picaresquieu: Can't say for certain, but they ought to send an escape sequence that begins with ESC. 13:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:28 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:38 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:45 <@Dracunos> Okay, got my wow... Now the hard part, deciding what to wish for 13:45 Got a DSM? 13:57 you need MR, reflection and boh. Roughly in that order 14:08 My female character has a base charisma of 6 and two rings of adornment at +6 and +3 14:08 Every time i suit up for an incubus encounter it's like a makeover montage in a chick flick 14:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:42 <@Dracunos> Yeah.. I need speed boots, levitation ring, conflict ring.. Free action ring 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:22791 14:43 <@Dracunos> Genocide scroll would be really nice, to nurse dance these low hps up 14:43 <@Dracunos> I should try a poly wand for those rings 14:44 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30776 14:44 <@Dracunos> I always feel off wishing for a poly wand though 14:49 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:52 <@Tone> You can wait until later to worry about lev conflict and free action if you need to 14:53 <@Tone> Have you cleared votd yet? You can find some rings there too 14:54 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:57 <@Dracunos> In worried about free action, I've been hit with sleep and para a couple times now :p 14:58 <@Dracunos> Well, I just finally got sleep resist, but para 14:59 <@Dracunos> My biggest worry is hps, last two times I hit valley I had over 300hp :p now I'm at 100 15:03 For surgical precision my healer needs Vorpal Blade 15:08 <@Tone> Do you have stealth? Nothing in the valley is too scary alone 15:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:09 <@Dracunos> I'm not too concerned with votd I guess 15:09 <@Tone> Just watch for level drain and that damn squeaky board trap in front of the last graveyard 15:09 <@Dracunos> Oh, teleport control I need too, I been running around everywhere despite having infinite level port :p 15:11 <@lapis> @rikersan what’s our conclusion? Stick to human priest or decide again? 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh4] BEGONE THOT (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 25384 points, T:1707, killed by a giant ant 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh4] BEGONE THOT (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 13796 points, T:569, killed by a gnome lord 15:20 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31888 15:20 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:24583 15:23 <@Dracunos> Haven't gotten a single remove curse scroll either, weird 15:26 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) entered the planes, on T:32289 15:26 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:32290 15:27 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 15:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:28 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 15:32 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 15:34 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35 <@IceBox> do you still get the alignment penalty for killing an polymorphed shopkeeper? 15:36 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Murder 15:37 <@IceBox> yeah yeah i know i read that section mr. pinkerton 15:37 <@IceBox> these two sentences together weren't obvious enough for me 15:37 <@IceBox> "The simplest way to get rid of a peaceful human while avoiding the penalty for murder is to let your pet do the dirty work. You can also polymorph your victims before killing them." 15:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:45 -!- stenno is now known as Guest84436 15:49 @Luxidream why haven't you started naming characters BEGONE THOTH yet? 15:49 especially wizards 15:50 <@luxidream> too long 15:53 Haha 15:54 All Thoths will be 🅱️atrolled 15:59 what odds would you give that nethack4 receives any updates in the next a) year b) 5 years c) 10 years? 16:04 I wouldn't have given good odds on 3.6.0, mind 16:06 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:32899 16:08 It finally happened 16:08 I'd never thought I'd see the day someone posted an emoji into *irc* 16:08 I thougt this was the last bastion of sane typography 16:08 🤔 16:08 no pls 16:09 <@Dracunos> 💩 16:09 <@rikersan> @lapis human priest 16:09 hey it works here too 16:09 <@rikersan> @luxidream do you just pick a single name and try to ascended that 16:09 🤓 16:10 <@rikersan> cuz tha'ts a bunch of dead BEGONE THOTS 16:10 <@Dracunos> They beganed 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:27098 16:11 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:32986 16:11 <@rikersan> htf does k2 just keep ascending grunt 16:11 <@rikersan> I don't get how he has either the patience or teh skill 16:12 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:33000 16:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:13 PavelB: people in this channel and especially from discord have been using emojis here for quite a long time 16:14 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Quit: two forces in balance \\ ancient endless balance \\ then nothing] 16:14 <@rikersan> not super often to be fair 16:14 <@rikersan> and I mean amy uses emojis all the time 16:14 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 2255240 points, T:33020, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/gh/dumplog/1530667323.gh.txt 16:14 <@rikersan> they just never come through for me, just as \UXXXX 16:14 <@rikersan> grats k2 16:14 thanks 16:14 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 16:14 aosdict: When the rld people do it I understand, but I'd never seen someone do it from IRC 16:14 that should have been a weaponless conduct also 16:14 <@rikersan> wow, 2 things managed to not get cancelled 16:15 but i accidentally whacked a xorn with my pickaxe 16:15 oof 16:15 on plane of earth 16:15 bleh 16:19 !booze 16:19 * Beholder tosses Grasshopper a pint of the sauce, decanted by Rodney at 91 degrees Celsius. 16:21 33000 turns is sort of a minor achievement 16:21 oh thats slow 16:21 I believe that was the turn on which Jesus Christ Himself ascended 16:21 heh 16:22 Yeah, but Jesus saves so much, I reckon he's scumming 16:23 Still a pretty cool trick he does, reverse-diluting all his waters into booze 16:23 And Calvinist predestination sounds like manipulating the initial RNG state to me 16:23 Also has the coveted water walking intrinsic 16:24 !who 16:24 PavelB: [hdf-us] Luxidream [nh4] IceBox [nh361] mkarrasch [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361] 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a black dragon, on T:27920 16:24 !lastasc k2 16:24 PavelB: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/gh/dumplog/1530667323.gh.txt 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:27924 16:26 !whereis IceBox 16:26 PavelB: [hdf-us] IceBox [nh361]: (Mon Hum Mal Cha) T:27937 The Quest level: 19 16:27 <@IceBox> guys dont polymorph over lava, even if that's the plan 16:27 <@IceBox> bye armor...all of it 16:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:27966 16:28 @IceBox Don't Monks get penalized for wearing armor? 16:29 PavelB: After a certain point, only with message spam. 16:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 16:29 <@IceBox> yeah but once you have enough to-hit you can cancel it out 16:29 Also Icebox may have lost boots etc 16:29 <@IceBox> and yes i lost ALL my armor. Though really the wished-for +2 speed boots were the only real loss 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27995 16:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:34 wow 3 new slex quotes on nhqdb and only one of those was from me ;) thanks to the guys and girls who submitted the others! 16:36 I think I've gotten numb to the weird shit SLEX has 16:36 It's not surprising anymore 16:36 "Yep, that sure is SLEX" 16:37 there are a lot of good quotes recently 16:37 PavelB: at least it's not Elona 1.79, where the player can urinate (I shit you not). That stuff is so weird that even I don't want it in my game, and as a result, Amylona is based on Elona 1.76 which is free of such weirdness ;) 16:38 Does it serve any game mechanical function? 16:38 urination is weird? are you from the victorian era? 16:38 Can't say I've heard of Elona 16:38 Pinkbeast: not really; it apparently happens if you drink too much stuff, which means quaffing healing potions just got a lot more annoying 16:39 Well, if it doesn't _do_ anything it's just silly message spam, no? 16:40 It is pretty weird for video game characters to urinate 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:28549 16:40 I assume given their hazardous occupation NetHack characters urinate frequently and with zero warning, perhaps helping to explain why (from the pants question) they appear to all be wearing frocks with no underwear 16:40 well I didn't actually play that new elona version, only read about it (and many other players are complaining too) 16:42 !who 16:42 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Luxidream [nh4] samiam [nh361] mkarrasch [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361] 16:43 !why 16:43 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44 <@Dracunos> Aww 16:44 <@Dracunos> At least you had more wishes 16:47 Urination could be a gameplay factor by affecting the behavior of d and f monsters 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a fire giant, on T:5904 16:51 I dunno, like... when you pee the square becomes a "warding square" based on your current exp level 16:52 <@Dracunos> Man I'll never wish for rings again.. One wish (poly wand), got me "ls, gauntlets of power, boots of speed/ww, Hawaiian shirt, magic marker, some other nice little toys, and a full kit of rings, Levi/regen/conflict/digest/freeaction/prot shapechangers 16:52 Okay that still sounds annoying 16:52 <@Dracunos> I had no useful rings before that wand :p 16:53 <@Dracunos> All I need now is control tele 16:53 <@lapis> Tengu? 16:53 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 16:55 <@Tone> Rings are too easy to poly 16:55 <@Dracunos> I haven't seen many, and when I first started this game last year I probably didn't even try to eat them :p 16:56 <@Tone> They pretty much always stay magic, they are common, there are a bunch of borderline useless ones 16:56 <@Dracunos> Don't they always stay magic? They just might disappear I think 16:56 <@Dracunos> Or is there a tiny chance for meat ring? :p 16:57 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:58 <@Dracunos> Also easy to pile, because they are all different materials you can do them all at once with little risk 16:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:59 <@Tone> Yeah they always stay magic 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh4] BEGONE THOT (Luxidream) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 227486 points, T:23727, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack4/dumplog/2018-07-19%2021%3A00%3A53%2C%20BEGONE%20THOT-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 17:01 <@luxidream> yesss 17:01 <@luxidream> sub 2hr 17:01 grats luxidream! can I use your wonderful character names as SLEX scroll labels again? ♥ 17:01 <@luxidream> I have no objections 17:01 <@luxidream> though I'm surprised it's not already a scroll label :p 17:02 well it will become one now :) 17:03 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 17:03 thanks for the inspiration! and also sorry for bitching at your junethack ascensions, I hope I didn't offend you in the process 17:03 indeed, belated congratulations for the tarot card deck of ascensions! 17:04 <@Tone> grats lux 😄 17:04 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 17:04 <@IceBox> you speed demon 17:05 <@luxidream> 1:44:54 17:09 which variant 17:09 <@luxidream> LarienTelrunya: it's cool. you had a legitimate complaint imo, so I didn't take it personally 17:09 ? 17:09 <@luxidream> nh4 17:10 hmm, would be nice to take the WR for fastest run from vanilla (1:03) 17:10 this is assuming that the 6-minute Un win doesn't count 17:10 <@luxidream> wasn't the 6 minute un win seeded 17:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 17:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 17:10 luxidream: alright :) yeah the ascension-saving method means that the best way of playing in junethack is to save all ascensions until the last day, but getting so many ascensions in one month in the first place is quite the feat! I've barely managed to get 6 in total, and only one role ;) 17:10 yes, not only that but the RNG for everything was deterministic 17:11 <@lapis> Nice one luxi 17:11 so it was rehearsed offline, much slower, then accomplished by copy and paste 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Gauntlets of dexterity", on T:28561 17:11 that's why I'm assuming it doesn't count :-) 17:12 <@IceBox> as a monk is a robe worth wishing for if there are NO other magic cloaks around for polypiling? 17:12 <@IceBox> i have the Eyes of the Overworld and SDSM 17:13 <@luxidream> @IceBox kill a priest 17:13 <@IceBox> ah good point and better to do first 17:14 I'm a noob, can someone explain the advantage of killing a priest? 17:14 @icebox you can get any kind of armor from any kind of armor when polypiling 17:14 <@luxidream> LarienTelrunya: yeah. that's a problem I hope gets addressed in future junethacks too. I know it's supposed to be different than other tournaments but I don't think parking adds anything 17:14 <@luxidream> priests have robes 17:15 ... sometimes 17:15 so, for example, elven boots are fine if you are trying for a magic cloak 17:15 Pinkbeast, mostly 17:15 You might want to kill the priest before trying to convert the altar 17:15 small chance of them having CoMR or protection 17:15 luxidream: ais523 had a good idea for fixing it I think, IIRC it was his original suggestion that is much better than the actual junethack implementation but I don't remember the specifics 17:16 NPC monks also do but I dunno if that includes quest friendlies 17:16 PavelB: there's normally no reason to kill a priest, but they have equipment that's occasionally useful and it'll stop them bothering you if you convert their altar 17:16 LarienTelrunya: games had to start /and/ end in the same 24 horus 17:16 *hours 17:16 24 may be the wrong number here, 32 would probably work better 17:16 <@IceBox> wait so regular armor can become magical armor Grasshopper? Or you just mean magical armor = any other magical armor 17:17 hey, one issue I had on Astral last time with the curses interface is that the inventory side-pane cut off my status bar and I couldn't tell whether I was terminally ill. 17:17 ais523: ah yeah, basically a time limit version 17:17 <@luxidream> ais523: maybe longer? it's not always possible for players to ascend with a day or day and a half 17:17 <@luxidream> that seems to be the main opposition to that suggestion 17:18 @luxidream: yes, although 32 hours, for a clan where everyone is in approximately the same timezone, effectively gives two days to ascend assuming that you only play a few hours each day 17:18 sup ais523 17:18 I'm really busy at work atm and actually loaded IRC by accident 17:19 then I decided I'd say hi and see if anyone had anything to say to me 17:19 bouquet: You could disable classic_status, but yeah, that's something I need to figure out how to deal with 17:19 <@Dracunos> Non magical armor can really really rarely poly into magical 17:20 Probably by making the statusbar 3 lines if the message area is large enough 17:20 <@Dracunos> But those millions of elven boots and faded palls are all magic, I collect them now :p 17:20 even if classic_status is enabled 17:20 <@Dracunos> I had like two pages of palls and elven boots, that's how I got a couple things I needed 17:21 Or maybe I should make statusline an enum... 17:21 classic, 3-line classic, new 17:21 <@Dracunos> Or make a massive pile of armor at castle and poly there, you'd definitely get a couple non magic shirts and robes 17:21 you risk getting a golem 17:21 if you are careless 17:22 man, pet nagas can't pick up items, right? 17:22 so I'm wasting my time waiting for this naga to shoplift something 17:22 <@Dracunos> I don't think I've not gotten a golem polying at castle 17:25 <@IceBox> i guess cuz i'm chaotic there's a shortage of elves to kill without penalty 17:25 <@lapis> Isnt one of the piling strategies to stack a bunch of rocks on top of the pile and force a stone golem to form 17:25 Kill a few with penalty 17:25 @lapis: that doesn't sound very useful 17:26 <@luxidream> well, it prevents the items below 17:26 <@luxidream> from forming a golem 17:30 <@Dracunos> Yeah and supposedly having lower luck is better for the single pile method 17:30 <@Tone> PavelB: Priests have a very high chance to be carrying a robe. So killing one is a good way to find one 17:31 <@Dracunos> They occasionally have really nice wands too 17:32 <@Dracunos> But my last game my pets killed all the priests so I had nothing to spend money on 17:32 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:32 <@Tone> You're supposed to give them your money first, and take it back after :P 17:33 <@luxidream> Vanquished creatures: The Wizard of Yendor (24 times) 17:33 <@luxidream> fuck that guy lmao 17:33 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 17:33 <@Dracunos> I did, but I should have maxed out my protection first :p 17:33 luxidream> ouch, my record is 16 17:33 <@Dracunos> Is that in a fork? 17:34 <@luxidream> the NH4 run I just did 17:34 <@luxidream> so it should be unchanged 17:34 <@Dracunos> Nasty 17:36 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 17:45 -!- Guest84436 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:49 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 17:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Law), 414 points, T:324, killed by a water moccasin 17:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 571 points, T:911, killed by a dwarf 17:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 405 points, T:438, killed by a small mimic 18:02 <@luxidream> !who 18:02 @luxidream: [hdf-us] rikersan [dnh] mkarrasch [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 18:03 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 18:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 18:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 841 points, T:3262, killed by a small mimic 18:07 <@rikersan> i hate mimics 18:07 Man, hard luck with the priests, huh 18:07 That's my next ascension 18:07 <@rikersan> no they just suck with dnh's weapon changes 18:08 <@rikersan> since a fuckton of monsters resist blunt things, and priests are all about that blunt weapon 18:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 51 points, T:213, killed by a water demon 18:09 Ugh 18:09 <@rikersan> plus i've basically just moved on to hoping for an easy wish 18:09 <@rikersan> since there's no way in hell I can take dwarves to get to minetown 18:09 <@rikersan> and dnh dungeon gets tough quick 18:10 In dnh can you guarantee Stormy as first sac gift for an elf? 18:10 <@luxidream> so it isnt just me? dwaves are ridiculous? 18:10 <@luxidream> *dwarves 18:10 Assuming that you can find that elven dagger and broadsword and then an altar 18:11 <@rikersan> no you can't pic 18:11 <@rikersan> ther'es a fuckton of artifacts 18:11 Are there other sacrifice gifts? 18:11 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11 <@rikersan> dude there's like 60 18:11 Oh derp 18:12 Yeah dnethack is the one with shitloads more content 18:12 <@rikersan> 18 wishable lawful things, 13 neutrla things, 20 chaotic things 18:12 <@rikersan> 27 unaligned things 18:12 <@rikersan> so all of those are viable gifts for somebody 18:12 Don't @ me, i play unnethack only 18:12 <@rikersan> and hta'ts not even counting like half of the unwishable things (about as much as that) which are either racial gifts or still valid gifts 18:12 <@rikersan> :p 18:13 <@rikersan> I'm just ranting sorry 18:13 <@rikersan> last time I ended up with like 6 gifts and still nothing good 18:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1383 points, T:516, killed by a gnome lady 18:13 That sounds frustrating 18:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4677 points, T:4244, killed by a dwarf 18:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 515 points, T:822, killed by a gnome 18:34 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34 <@rikersan> great 18:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 337 points, T:457, killed by a fox 18:34 <@rikersan> now I"m up to missing a fox 8 times in a row 18:34 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 18:34 you don't seem to be doing very well 18:34 <@rikersan> you don't say 18:34 Is dnh just really hard or something 18:35 <@rikersan> no priests in dnh are just kinda shit 18:35 Ah 18:35 <@rikersan> no food, bad weapon, no offensive spells 18:35 <@rikersan> you rely on good artifact gifts 18:35 <@rikersan> but you can't always survive that long 18:35 Do you still get stone-to-flesh 18:35 <@rikersan> I mean sometimes 18:35 <@rikersan> but I can't cast until like lvl 3 cuz power 18:35 Oh yeah 18:36 <@rikersan> next time lapis is here I'm renegoiating this challenge to a diff role 18:36 <@rikersan> fuck I'd take tourist over this 18:44 <@luxidream> is there a difference between vikeys capital letter movement and G? 18:44 <@rikersan> iirc G makes different turns 18:44 <@rikersan> maeyb tath's g and G tho 18:45 <@Dracunos> g stops at every turn, every door 18:45 <@Dracunos> G is weird.. sometimes it'll spider through a twisting hallway, sometimes it'll stop at the first turn 18:46 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 18:47 You want Ctrl-dir 18:47 <@IceBox> guys i'm really looking forward to gehennom with Eyes of the Overworld 18:48 <@luxidream> "I'm really looking forward to gehennom" 18:48 <@IceBox> yeah i know right!? 18:48 <@IceBox> it'll be so nice to not just wander miserably through that shit-town 18:48 <@Dracunos> I was looking forward to the ascension run when I thought I had a ton of GL 18:48 <@luxidream> you should play wizard next icebox 18:48 <@Dracunos> But apparently 10 isn't very many :D 18:48 <@rikersan> @IceBox magic mapping is a lot better lol 18:48 <@luxidream> magic mapping is super cushy 18:49 <@IceBox> well yeah but i dont have dat 18:49 <@IceBox> that would of course be my first choice 18:49 G == Ctrl-dir; g is G but stop at every turn; Shift-dir is "run me into pits, please" 18:49 <@IceBox> but i'm low on wishes and dropped all my armor in lava, so i've had to recuperate 18:50 <@luxidream> are you 100% sure that the armor isn't still there 18:52 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52 <@luxidream> cloth burns but I don't think dragon scales are destroyed 18:53 <@Dracunos> Can you like levitate, read uncursed earth scrolls until it's all rock and dig it out? 18:53 <@luxidream> freezing it would be easier 18:54 <@Dracunos> I don't trust freezing anymore.. in 3.6 it only lasts 500 to.. some ridiculous amount of turns, and you can only tell if it's about to melt with warning apparently.. unless it randomly becomes permanent 18:54 <@Dracunos> but 500 turns is admittedly plenty :p 18:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Hum Mal Law), 34 points, T:65, killed by a water moccasin 18:55 <@rikersan> he said the only thing that he really lost was speed boots 18:55 <@rikersan> but he proabbly wished those fireproof 18:55 <@Dracunos> I think he already wished some new ones 18:55 <@rikersan> so maybe 18:55 <@luxidream> I didn't read backscroll 18:56 <@luxidream> my bad 18:56 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 18:57 <@Dracunos> The ice, is gonna BREAK!, the wiki says this is the message for ice breaking within 5 turns.. what's with that comma :p 18:58 <@luxidream> pinkbeast: thanks for telling me about ctrl+dir 18:58 And "gonna" and "BREAK", TDT didn't write that, surely 18:58 <@luxidream> didn't know that actually 18:59 <@luxidream> that'll be useful for any future games where I have to be speedy 18:59 "The ice, is gonna BREAK!", /* The Dead Zone */ 18:59 <@Dracunos> It might just be a typo in the 18:59 It's a reference, apparently. 18:59 <@Dracunos> wiki, I was about to say, heh 18:59 luxidream> Half the time I just bash on Ctrl-dir 18:59 <@Dracunos> a christopher walken film 19:00 <@Dracunos> I should watch that 19:00 As a spoken line I don't know how it managed to have a comma in it, perhaps it's choked out weirdly 19:00 <@Dracunos> When I first read it I imagined someone speaking dramatically like shatner 19:00 <@Dracunos> The ICE... is gonna BREAK 19:01 <@Dracunos> speaking of that meme, I never really noticed in start trek tos him sounding that bad 19:01 I think he got worse as he got too famous to edit^W direct 19:02 <@Dracunos> wow, he's canadian, had no idea 19:04 <@rikersan> @lapis alrigth if you get tired of human priest try a yuki monk 19:05 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 19:06 <@lapis> i might yeah lol 19:06 <@lapis> priest seems very boring to me right now? though also yukis are iron sensitive 19:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:29777 19:12 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 19:12 yard work done 19:13 woot 19:13 <@luxidream> @IceBox you can wear a small shield and still hit with martial arts fairly well if you would like to 19:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:29874 19:20 <@IceBox> noice, is an elven shield small @luxidream? 19:20 <@IceBox> seems like it's it's own class 19:21 <@luxidream> elven shield will kill your casting 19:21 congrats @luxidream on your earlier asc today 19:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:59394 19:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided electric eel, on T:59395 19:22 <@luxidream> thanks! big milestone for me 19:22 under 2 hrs wall clock time? 19:23 <@luxidream> yeah, roughly 1h 45 19:23 wow 19:23 impressive 19:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:59429 19:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:59431 19:38 <@rikersan> @lapis yeah but they're also kinda OP 19:38 <@rikersan> passive cold is pretty strong 19:40 <@lapis> i suppose 19:40 <@rikersan> plus you get a steal attack 19:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:41 -!- stenno is now known as Guest90462 19:41 <@rikersan> actually hold up just realized that means no prem heart hm 19:42 <@rikersan> huh, TIL: spiked pits in the neu quest are silver not iron 19:42 <@rikersan> don't htink they spawn tho 19:45 -!- Guest90462 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: Do fish get thirsty?] 19:51 !whereis k2 19:51 K2: [hdf-eu] k2 [un]: No details available 19:54 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 19:55 How does a Nazgul get generated with both a cursed potion of gain level and a cursed scroll of teleportation 19:55 Why can he not just stand still and let me kill him 19:55 I could have used both those things 19:56 <@luxidream> hey 19:56 Hello @luxidream, Welcome to #hardfought 19:56 <@luxidream> it wasn’t vlad 19:56 Now I'm gonna feel like a huge dumbass crawling all over the dungeom looking for it 19:56 <@luxidream> be thankful 19:56 Lmao true 19:56 Nazgul hunting is strictly optional 19:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:60305 20:04 -!- dograt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:04 -!- dograt has joined #hardfought 20:06 -!- noty has quit [*.net *.split] 20:06 -!- Muad has quit [*.net *.split] 20:06 -!- K2 has quit [*.net *.split] 20:06 -!- Dracunos has quit [*.net *.split] 20:06 -!- FIQ has quit [*.net *.split] 20:10 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 20:14 this is the weirdest Gehennom I've ever been in. Got to Rodney before Orcustown. Is that normal or should I consult a doctor? 20:15 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 20:15 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 20:15 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 20:15 -!- Dracunos has joined #hardfought 20:15 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 20:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+oo K2 FIQ] by livingstone.freenode.net 20:16 -!- Schrubber1 has joined #hardfought 20:19 -!- Schrubber has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:26 bouquet: Wizard's Tower before Orcus is not improbable. FakeWiz before Orcus I think is possible but unlikely. 20:31 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:61134 20:34 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:35 @Luxidream what with how last junethack worked, you should consider adding yourself to the wiki's notable players page 20:39 Adding oneself is perhaps a bit of a faux pas? 20:40 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 404025 points, T:31267, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 20:41 <@IceBox> lol, that's the pits (get it cuz i fell in a pit) 20:42 <@Tone> oof 20:43 <@Tone> Don't walk around while holding one of those 20:43 <@IceBox> well i know that now tone! 20:43 <@IceBox> and i'll never forget it 20:43 <@IceBox> the hubris of cockatrice corpses 20:44 if (mptr == &mons[PM_PIT_VIPER] || mptr == &mons[PM_PIT_FIEND]) pline("How pitiful. Isn't that the pits?"); 20:44 ah yes, my junethack splat of shame. tried to go downstairs to the sanctum while burdened and wielding a c corpse 20:44 sporkhack 20:44 hothraxxa: Ha! Mine was partly attributable to _not_ wielding my c corpse when I went to the Sanctum 20:45 hothraxxa: Clearly we should have swapped games just beforehand. 20:45 aye 20:45 i am usually meticulous about c corpses too 20:46 always levitate when moving with one 20:46 except that one time, in sporkhack... 20:46 Downstairs with a c corpse was my only non-Spork post-Castle death; 3.2 wizard. After that I was meticulous. :-/ 20:47 well you can't levitate and go downstairs, you know 20:47 * hothraxxa . o O ( why am i levitating anyway? i'll just take off this ring... ) 20:49 Muad Tariru and K2 seem to have got one Spork win each 20:49 I'm certain K2 has ascended it more than once 20:50 I mean, on the Junethack stats. 20:56 <@IceBox> thanks for sharing some painful splats, homies 20:56 <@IceBox> i needed to hear some so that it lessens the blow 😃 20:57 One of these days I'll die in Zot and then you'll see some hot salty tears. Except not here because wrong game. :-) 21:15 IceBox: two games in a row I was in sokoban, blind, gloveless, and felt a c on the ground. 21:16 for a couple months after that I genocided c before L or h 21:23 I solve trice corpse issues by not using them 21:23 Too dangerous 21:24 That was my usual approach in vanilla from about 3.3 on (IIRC once wished one up for Demogorgon) but in Spork I could have used the edge 21:25 -!- tacco| has quit [] 21:30 20 years ago when I was more careless I died twice to the same c corpse. 21:30 Picked it up to sac it, lifesaved. "You are beginning to feel hungry." 21:32 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:35 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) defeated Master Kaen, on T:46397 21:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:42 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 21:42 -!- moon.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Junethack 2018!! 21:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 21:44 !whereis k2 21:44 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [un]: (Valkyrie dwarven Fem lawful) T:13 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 | [hdf-eu] k2 [un]: (Priest human Mal neutral) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 | [hdf-au] k2 [un]: (Knight human Mal lawful) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 21:45 !whereis k2 21:45 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [un]: (Valkyrie dwarven Fem lawful) T:14 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 21:45 oh yeah 21:46 -!- Guest32855 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:46 !whereis k2 21:46 K2: k2 is not playing. 21:46 booyah 22:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:63144 22:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63145 22:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:63146 22:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:63461 23:14 !whereis bouquet 23:14 K2: [hdf-us] bouquet [xnh]: (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) T:63553 Gehennom level: 48 23:18 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 23:18 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Junethack 2018!! 23:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 23:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:33891 23:25 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: brb] 23:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65075 23:33 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 23:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:42 -!- stenno is now known as Guest41649 23:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:66061 23:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:66076 23:48 -!- Guest41649 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "the blessed greased fixed fireproof bag of holding", on T:34945 23:52 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 23:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:66350 23:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2883313 points, T:66382, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/xnethack/dumplog/1531613513.xnh.txt 23:58 woo 23:58 wizards are fun!