00:03 Not really worth doing 00:04 The best incantations are war and killing, testament of whispers 1, and testament of whispers 2 00:04 <@lapis> i think the shoggoth one specifically is much more likely to spawn a hostile compared to a tame one 00:04 <@lapis> also, shoggoths are a high value genocide target 00:06 ill keep trying once im done clearing out this level 00:06 but one thing ive found is that shoggoths make exceptional pets 00:06 ...although its a little annoying when they slime under doors to get to me when im polypiling 00:07 their MR is very low so charm monster usually works on them 00:22 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 00:24 <[Demo][srn]1> war and killng yey 00:25 <[Demo][srn]1> shoggoth can cast summon nasty 00:29 <[Demo][srn]1> 1/20 I think and that's all they can cast very rare 00:29 They also turn traitor I believe 00:31 monstergrin: wearing an engagement ring will protect you from seduction attacks 00:32 It can be awkward when engagement is conflict/polymorph/hunger/etc though 00:32 <[Demo][srn]1> what's really cool is quest leaders with summon nasty that are placed somewhere they get to see a lot of combat 00:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:42488 00:48 grazzt gave me a wish with his seduction attack and i wished for an engagement ring lol 00:49 also i just tried to read the summon shoggoth incantation and it crashed my game so, oops 00:51 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 00:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:42586 01:04 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:06 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 01:08 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 01:10 -!- nengel has joined #hardfought 01:11 -!- attie has quit [Killed (verne.freenode.net (Nickname regained by 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first real ascension and im stuck on this high altar with no clue 05:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:43 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:71250 05:44 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:71335 06:00 -!- monstergrin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:36 -!- [Demo][srn]1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:59 -!- Leeroy has joined #hardfought 07:02 I'm trying an Ordinator run! :) 07:04 -!- Leeroy has left #hardfought 07:29 gross 07:30 :c 08:05 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 08:08 . 08:08 Tangles: Message from @rikersan at 2018-07-16 17:00 EDT: beholder seems to not be working with !lastgame? 08:08 Tangles: Message from K2 at 2018-07-17 16:46 EDT: !whereis seems to be broken since last beholder update :( 08:08 none of that really surprises me 08:08 !who 08:08 Tangles: [hdf-us] picaresquieu [un] mkarrasch [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 08:09 I did actually test !lastgame 08:09 !lastgame 08:09 Tangles: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rustmonster/nh13d/dumplog/1531886057.nh13d.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Leeroy/slex/dumplog/1531912257.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grasshopper/nh361/dumplog/1531778090.nh361.txt 08:09 the line-wrapping is garbage, but it works. 08:10 I guess that depends on your terminal size though. 08:10 !whereis Tangles 08:10 yeah ok that's broken 08:17 !streak 08:17 same problem I think. 08:42 !tell k2 Beholder fixes pushed. 08:42 Will do, Tangles! 08:44 aosdict: did you fix the conflict 08:44 FIQ: no I was waiting to see what you thought about it 08:45 also, my changelog page was based off the fact that nobody played fh outside junethack until post-2017 jnh 08:46 oh thanks for reminding me I need to update 08:47 ok thanks Tangles 08:47 K2: Message from Tangles at 2018-07-18 08:42 EDT: Beholder fixes pushed. 08:51 does dnethack have random named items that are not artifacts? 08:52 I just found "Yorshka's Spear". It's not on the wiki artifacts page. 08:52 maybe it's new. 08:54 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 08:54 -!- cherryh.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Junethack 2018!! 08:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 08:57 !whereis Tangles 08:57 Tangles: [hdf-us] Tangles [fh]: (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) T:130 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh]: (Pir Inc Mal Neu) T:11449 The Dungeons of Doom level: 12 08:58 still need to update beholder on other 2 servers 08:58 doing that now 08:58 yeah the problem was in code that only runs on the main server anyway 08:58 ah 08:59 but yeah you should still keep them in sync 09:00 wonder why that stale fh whereis file is still kicking around. Maybe the bot should check the inprogress dir as well as the whereis files. 09:11 [hdf-us] [un] mkarrasch (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 18398 points, T:9516, killed by a mumak 09:12 !streak 09:12 Tangles: [hdf-us] Tangles Max[nh343]: 1 (2017-02-25 - 2017-03-10). Current[nh361]: 1 (since 2018-05-11). | [hdf-au] Tangles Max[nh343]: 1 (2018-06-01 - 2018-06-02). Current[gh]: 1 (since 2018-06-17). 09:21 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 09:21 Why do i keep getting blasted by my own quest artifact? 09:21 There's no way I've got alignment issues 09:22 [hdf-us] [un] mkarrasch (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 302 points, T:569, killed by a kitten called Garfield 09:29 !who 09:29 FIQ: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] samiam [nh361] mkarrasch [un] picaresquieu [un] bouquet [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 09:29 !whereis picaresquieu 09:29 FIQ: [hdf-us] picaresquieu [un]: No details available 09:29 hm 09:29 I thought un had whereis 09:30 it does 09:30 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 09:33 I see the problem 09:33 the path is wrong. 09:36 eh? i thought i had fixed the whereis paths 09:36 This is bullshit 09:37 I'm not polymorphed, my alignment record is perfectly fine, and yet both the quest artifact and Stormy are blasting me every single time 09:38 This was happening in my previous game also 09:39 be sure to be of the appropriate alignment 09:40 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 09:40 -!- livingstone.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Junethack 2018!! 09:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 09:40 !whereis picaresquieu 09:40 K2: [hdf-us] picaresquieu [un]: (Ranger elven Fem chaotic) T:73534 The Dragon Caves level: 40 09:40 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 09:40 i blame tandevil and mangles 09:42 I haven't checked my alignment record because no wand of enlightenment and my potion is all the way on the other side of the dungeon 09:42 picaresquieu: you can check with a stethoscope also. 09:42 Good call 09:43 there's your problem 09:43 Insufficiently chaotic, when did that happen? 09:43 Damn Stormy 09:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:46102 09:43 p e b c a k 09:43 you werent mean enough to kittens and little dogs 09:44 isn't it pebkac 09:44 layer 1 09:44 how exactly do you accidentally do lawful stuff 09:45 My last potion of enlightenment told me "piously aligned" 09:45 subconciously helping old ladies cross the street or carry their grocieries 09:45 picaresquieu: killing peaceful types like watchmen and shopkeepers will screw your alignment fairly quickly even if you're chaotic. 09:45 Wtf happened to that and how many monsters am i gonna have to kill to get back there 09:46 Yeah, i don't think I've killed any shopkeepers since then though. Maybe one 09:46 actually not many (in vanilla at least - un may be different) 09:46 sac to your deity can help get you back in its good graces 09:46 No watchmen in Minetown, I got Orctown (actually a bones file from my previous game) 09:46 higher level monsters 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:34568 09:47 Alright 09:48 Oh you know what 09:48 I'll bet it was when i killed the aligned priest 09:48 ... 09:48 lol 09:48 Well i guess that's where I'm headed 09:48 oh you think? ;) 09:49 chaotic people don't kill priests, obviously. 09:49 alighned priest 09:49 aligned rather 09:49 why on eath did you kill on aligned priest? 09:49 *earth 09:49 gah 09:49 Needed an altar 09:50 stormy accident I'm guessing. 09:50 The only other one in the whole dungeon is in Orctown 09:50 needed an altar... but if it was aligned, you already had it 09:50 oh wait... aligned, but not co-aligned? 09:50 No, it was cross-aligned 09:50 then it wouldnt have been an aligned priest 09:50 I thought 09:51 Aligned priests are "always peaceful," meaning there is an alignment penalty 09:51 K2: all temple priests are aligned. 09:51 well whatever. just sac a good number of higher level monsters to appease your god 09:51 Even if they're cross-aligned 09:52 Plus i had just bought nine points of protection from him and i wanted my 50k zorkmids back 😉 09:54 It would be cool to see a revamp of the alignment system, like for RPing purposes 09:55 Also to make it easier on pacifists, as if i know anything about playing conducts 09:55 picaresquieu: if you're interested I know of several proposals 09:55 I'd like to see that 09:56 well, proposals to in general fix religion. not necessarily alignment 09:56 I saw the one on uh, phol ende wodan's wiki page 09:56 phol ende wodan is me 09:56 Oh lol 09:56 All my knowledge of nethack is from the wiki 09:56 then there's FIQ's which I'm not sure if he wrote down 09:57 but is implemented in fiqhack, but now that I think about it it isn't really addressing alignment much 09:57 It's a hard needle to thread 09:57 mtf's proposal amounts to "make it like ADOM where everyone's evaluated on an absolute Law to Chaos scale, and also make Chaos the de facto Evil alignment" 09:58 You have a link? 09:58 I don't think he ever wrote it up. 09:58 Did jonadab have an alignment proposal? 09:59 I believe that's the one you were addressing on the page i read 09:59 ah he has an old one 09:59 <@Demo> welp power is out and won't get server up before I leave oh well 09:59 @Demo: Message from @rikersan\srn at 2018-06-21 18:48 EDT: 2 bugs. 1, you can ID spearpoints by putting them on (it shows the type when it's actually on the spear, not in inventory tho). 2, you will un-id the spear point when you put it on. try ID'ing 2, placing 1 on, and then swapping ot for the other. 09:59 http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/nethack-alignment-record-proposal.html 09:59 Basically "alignment is abstaining from counter-aligned actions," rather than anything to do directly with killing monsters 10:00 also I have an etherpad containing other unsorted religion/alignment ideas: https://etherpad.net/p/NetHack_Religion%2C_Alignment%2C_and_Luck 10:00 <@Demo> Isn't one of the biggest issues with fourk rn alignment? 10:01 picaresquieu: One of the most commonly agreed-on things is that killing (non-special) monsters to gain alignment is the main reason that alignment's so broken and most people barely notice it 10:02 <@Demo> fiq hack does a million times a better job than fourk with alignment and I don't even like the job it does 10:02 <@Demo> dnh kind of changes alignment i guess? 10:02 <@Demo> by giving it less of a scope 10:03 <@Demo> and adding keter wantedness 10:22 <@Demo> hmm how many variants actually comply with the nh license? 10:23 most of them? 10:24 well, I guess it comes down to interpretation of the clause "cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change" 10:25 *Strictly*, most variants don't do that. But in practice most people seem to think that git is enough. 10:26 I remember that antigulp initially tried to do that, but doesn't seem to have kept it up 10:26 <@Demo> I'm not sure if git is enough 10:26 <@Demo> like technically 10:26 <@Demo> not that anyone cares 10:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:30 you can set up precommit hooks to write into the file that you modified it and when 10:31 but in practice all this does is cause lots of pointless merge conflicts when someone else does the same thing 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh4] Dracunos (dracunos) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 32886 points, T:3923, killed by an imp 10:36 Jesus 10:36 I've made like three dozen sacrifices and I'm still not there 10:36 Transgression sucks 10:37 That includes multiple same-race chaotic sacs, too 10:39 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 10:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 10:40 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:40 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:51 <@rikersan> what'd you do? 10:53 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 10:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 10:53 I don't even know what got my alignment record out of whack, other than maybe killing a cross-aligned priest a while ago 10:53 <@rikersan> are you a knight or monk? 10:53 I'm almost certain I'd confirmed my alignment as "pious" since then 10:53 Nah a chaotic ranger 10:54 <@rikersan> hm 10:54 killing a crossaligned priest should be _good_ for you, as a chaotic 10:54 did you kill a swarm of peaceful gremlins? 10:54 or peaceful anything? 10:54 I have killed a bunch of peacefuls by accident with Stormy, but the spoiler sez that's only -1 in regular cases 10:55 <@rikersan> yeah it shouldn't be a huge thing 10:55 <@rikersan> might want to give up sacrficing and just go kill more things 10:55 -1, plus usually not getting the alignment gain for killing them 10:55 <@rikersan> that should raise your alignemnt pretty fast 10:55 I got there in the end 10:55 <@rikersan> huh 10:56 I'm doing Gehennom now so there isn't a ton of alignment gain to be had from this point 10:56 I mean i made more sacrifices in the time since i complained about it, and was restored to good standing 10:58 Oh it was the gremlins 10:58 Now i understand 10:58 Yeah definitely the Gremlins 10:58 They were giving me a headache at the Castle 10:58 It was 100% worth the trouble 11:01 Hate gremlins. Hate em! 11:02 I'm in the habit of tinning for "backup intrinsics" in case they steal em, when I'm playing as non-chaotic 11:02 But even then i just hate seeing those little green g's all in a swarm 11:04 <@Dracunos> Racism 11:04 aosdict: My old alignment overhaul proposal is rather out of date at this point and probably no longer accurately reflects my current opinion on all points. Just FYI. 11:08 sure, but it exists 11:08 of the several proposals it's the most directed at alignment record itself 11:15 I do still think that one of the key problems with the alignment record, luck, and divine anger is that there are not adequately clear conceptual separations of what each of them means, reflects, and governs. 11:16 That, and as I'm sure you're aware, I feel that the alignment record itself is deeply unbalanced in vanilla and most variants, which makes roles with alignment-relevant codes of conduct play as if those things didn't matter at all (chivalry, bushido). 11:19 jonadab: when i restarted my game , i got an impossible move error for fuddles, which i figured must be due to your workaround. no problems since 11:19 I like the idea of implementing exercise/abuse for alignment as for attributes 11:19 fuddles magically showed up 11:19 thanks for the fix 11:25 hothraxxa: Oh, right, I forgot to mention that you'd need to hit C once for the fix to take effect. 11:25 yeah 11:30 One of my major gripes with alignment record is that there really aren't enough triggers for it to make it seem justified. 11:31 Not enough actions we can point to and say "This is going against what you stand for." 11:31 <@lapis> !tell monstergrin if you’re standing on the lawful high altar, turn the annulus into its chakram form and use the “A- Annul” invocation, then make your way to your own high altar and ascend like normal 11:31 Will do, @lapis! 11:32 @lapis I think they were complaining more about that there's not enough in-game guidance for that 11:32 <@lapis> Maybe but they also stopped on the lawful altar for the night 11:38 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 11:45 aosdict: I think I agree with that too. 11:45 In particular, for most roles it is basically irrelevant, apart from a couple of big-taboo items that apply either to everyone, or everyone non-chaotic. 11:46 And that's even if it were working as designed, which in vanilla it doesn't. 11:47 <@rikersan> !tell monstergrin ALSO HAVE A BACKUP WEAPON that destroys the annulus and then you get to fight a ghostly mind flayer with spells (run?) 11:47 Will do, @rikersan! 11:47 <@rikersan> @d?maanzecorian 11:47 Maanzecorian (.) | Lvl: 27 | Diff: 34 | Spd: 18 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 60 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 8d8 weapon physical, 4d8 touch physical, 0d6 cast spell, 2d8 cast clerical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, flies, phases, amphibious, breathless, unsolid, seeinvis, nopoly, undead, infravisible, vegan 11:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:56 So I’m not familiar with dnethack, is the annulus a weapon? 11:56 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:56 <@rikersan> yes 11:56 <@rikersan> i'ts the anachrononaut quest artifact 11:56 <@rikersan> it's super powerful 11:57 <@rikersan> it can switch between forms of a chakram, silver ring (whatever that is in that game), lightsaber, BFG, or quarterstaff 11:57 That sounds awesome 11:58 <@rikersan> it is 11:58 <@rikersan> it's double damage in addition to all of that 11:59 <@lapis> Also the quarterstaff does 1d3 silver dice every hit 12:00 <@rikersan> you mean 3d10 12:00 <@lapis> And acts as a robe 12:00 <@rikersan> *20 12:00 <@rikersan> oh 12:00 <@rikersan> yeah dice 12:00 <@lapis> It doesn’t always do 3 yeah 12:00 <@lapis> 1d3d20 12:02 <@lapis> In fairness I think all khakkara do the robe thing, and iron ones probably do the same thing vs iron haters 12:02 <@rikersan> yes 12:05 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 12:15 AntiGulp: in addition to that you need to destroy it to win properly :D 12:15 <@rikersan> yep 12:15 Seriously? :O 12:16 it also sort of is the Bell of Opening, lore wise 12:16 <@rikersan> it's the bell of opening but "inverted upon itself to create a hole in the fabric of the universe" 12:17 I obviously need to play more dnethack 12:18 <@rikersan> yes 12:18 <@rikersan> i'ts a great variatnt 12:18 <@rikersan> if you ignore the development isuses 12:25 -!- monstergrin has joined #hardfought 12:31 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:32 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 12:38 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:40 !tell Mandevil the dnhslex dumplog problem should be fixed now, but my guess is that only newly generated ones will correctly be in .txt format now 12:40 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 12:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 daggers on an altar, on T:4069 12:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:52 <@lapis> Have you ever done a chiropteran riker? 13:03 hm. so the fourk castle level is the library, and i got a scroll that i assume is wishing, plus three magic markers 13:03 so that's pretty much four wishes, really 13:05 <@lapis> Fourk has scrolls of wishing? 13:05 yeah. fourk also has the wand but it's not guaranteed anywhere 13:06 scrolls of wishing are guaranteed in certain places 13:06 the more I think about it the more I think I want to not go with scrolls of wishing because then I have to have a blessed effect, instead just make wands of wishing always-one-shot and provide multiple of those. 13:07 castle level, vlad's, top of rodney's, one other place i can't recall. sanctum maybe? 13:08 ah, it's orcus town 13:08 not sanctum 13:09 says here a couple of scroll at the castle level but i got only one :( 13:10 * hothraxxa writes jonadab a stern letter 13:10 maybe there's another one out round the back, where i haven't been yet 13:11 takes forever to gather up all the spellbooks and put them in the magic chest 13:11 aosdict: So you mean make wands of wishing generate (1:0) ? 13:11 Or (1:1) and not wrestable? 13:11 <@lapis> Couldn’t you just make scrolls of wishing not have a blessed effect? 13:12 <@lapis> Or make it identical to the uncursed one 13:12 fourk's blessed effect is nice 13:12 They have a blessed effect in Fourk, but it's not earth-shattering. 13:12 It does let you do some things you can't do in vanilla, like wish for a magic lamp and get it. 13:12 And slightly higher enchantments on gear. 13:12 (Which, there are other ways to achieve that.) 13:12 <@lapis> I think magic lamps should be allowable wishes, it’s basically saving a wish for later with an 80% chance 13:13 <@lapis> Or getting an infinite light source 13:13 slash'em has magic candles, which are basically wishable magic lamps that cannot give wishes but give infinite light ;) 13:13 The real issue is, if you find an early magic lamp, you don't think "I could use this for a wish, but then later I'll wish I had it back." 13:14 However, in Fourk, scrolls of wishing aren't guaranteed until well into Gehennom. So I think it's ok. 13:14 i almost never use a magic lamp for a wish unless i have more than one, or i'm about to go to the planes 13:14 jonadab: Or just change the already special-cased rules that wands of wishing can go up to 1:x in the first place. 13:14 If there were a guaranteed scroll of wishing at Castle, you could go "Hmm, I can explore the Mines with this magic lamp, then 80% get DSM, and still get the magic lamp back later for Gehennom." 13:15 aosdict: Generating them at 1: signals vanilla players not to recharge. 13:15 bah. i'm a monk, i can't hit shit with armour on 13:15 hothraxxa: Max your luck. 13:15 it's way maxxed 13:15 i acutally do hit a lot, just not enough to make it worth the armour 13:16 With maxed luck and XL15 or so, you should be able to hit. 13:16 So yes, three things: WoW explode / do nothing upon charging; they always generate at 0:1; they always turn to dust when giving a wish. And there is more than 1 guaranteed in the game. 13:16 jonadab: is it still impossible to hit in fourk while dual-wielding? 13:16 LarienTelrunya: Never was. 13:16 fuddles turned into a black unicorn for a bit, she dropped the jewels as soon as i tossed them and it was a no-teleport level 13:17 jonadad: i'm still xl13 13:17 Oh, right, this is Fourk. Make syoure you max out your skill. 13:17 *sure 13:17 def 18 until a golden naga blew my leather helm into dust 13:18 Fourk changes the to-hit formula, so luck and XL are less awesome. 13:18 i'm grand master 13:18 And skill is more awesome. 13:18 Hmm. 13:18 <@rikersan> @lapis yes, binder and convict only tho 13:18 That should be adequate. 13:18 it almost is 13:18 <@rikersan> I don't liek them a ton 13:18 i'm a really weak monk though. 112 hp, def 17 13:19 <@rikersan> mainly since you cannibal hard 13:19 Ah. 13:19 <@rikersan> anything MA_ANIMAL iirc 13:19 <@lapis> I was considering caveman after this game 13:19 <@rikersan> (which is a fuckton) 13:19 <@lapis> Cavemen don’t suffer cannibalism 13:19 <@rikersan> that's a possibility 13:19 <@rikersan> cavemen are super hard in dnh tho 13:19 <@rikersan> since he decided the nemesis gets clerical spells 13:20 <@lapis> Oh 13:20 <@lapis> And she’s death resistant 13:20 <@rikersan> and refleciton 13:20 <@rikersan> and MR 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4812 13:20 <@rikersan> and all elemental 13:20 <@lapis> Hmm. That is annoying 13:21 <@rikersan> yep 13:21 hey folks 13:21 monstergrin: Message from @lapis at 2018-07-18 11:31 EDT: if you’re standing on the lawful high altar, turn the annulus into its chakram form and use the “A- Annul” invocation, then make your way to your own high altar and ascend like normal 13:21 monstergrin: Message from @rikersan at 2018-07-18 11:47 EDT: ALSO HAVE A BACKUP WEAPON that destroys the annulus and then you get to fight a ghostly mind flayer with spells (run?) 13:21 <@rikersan> she can be warded as D iirc 13:21 <@rikersan> but taht's pretty much your only shot 13:21 <@rikersan> the thing is that caveman have prety shit weapon options, best bet is trollsbane 13:22 thanks lapis 13:22 <@lapis> I’ll probably be following you up to today 13:22 <@lapis> Found the VS last night, just need to prep for the run and then do it 13:22 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 13:23 huh..... that invocation doesn't show as an option. 13:23 do i 13:24 oh god 13:24 <@lapis> It might be on time out 13:24 <@lapis> You’ll have to survive until it pops up 13:24 do i have to wait for the invocation timeout 13:24 <@lapis> You’re sure it’s in chakram form? 13:24 yep 13:24 lmao 13:24 <@lapis> You could reverse geno and tame some purple worms to kill time 13:25 <@lapis> It’s harder because of the taming changes but I was considering it still 13:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "boulder", on T:67168 13:26 <@lapis> Wouldn’t a blessed scroll of earth be better? 13:26 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:26 oh, does that work in dnh? 13:26 usually ?oEarth doesn't work on Astral... 13:26 in vanilla i thought scrolls of earth didnt work on the astral plane 13:27 <@lapis> Oh maybe it doesn’t 13:27 <@lapis> I’ve never tried 13:27 <@lapis> Never had to wait around on astral before 13:27 monstergrin: I wished for a boulder in my fiqhack ascension too =D 13:27 im just blocking the door bc Death is literally right outside 13:27 and if im gonna kill time i might as well read the necronomicon 13:28 <@lapis> I suppose you could summon some stuff to delay the mind flayer ghost 13:28 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 13:30 HAHA forgot about harassment summoning 13:31 <@lapis> Personally I’m planning to use time stop when I get up there, haven’t needed it yet 13:32 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:33 oh youve got the Ruby Rhod? 13:37 garnet rod, same diff 13:37 <@lapis> Yea 13:40 oh sick it worked 13:40 fortunately i do have a backup weapon 13:41 *flexes* these guns 13:42 Evil Patch Idea: healing, regardless of what causes it (potion, spell, nurse, regeneration, whatever), causes a turn of helplessness per hitpoint healed. 13:43 sooo... ring of regeneration is a ring of half speed? 13:44 and of course, for maximum Evil, that applies to natural HP regen too. 13:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:67556 13:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:67559 13:48 go monstergrin! 13:54 <@rikersan> monstergrin: VS with annulus is khak form 13:54 <@rikersan> er, lapis 13:55 <@rikersan> er, nvm 13:55 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:77465 13:55 <@rikersan> I thought you were tlaking about the chime not the annul 13:55 <@rikersan> wait, monstergrin ddid you win or die? 13:58 <@rikersan> congrats monstergrin :D 13:58 i won im just going through all my stuff 13:59 10858251 points 13:59 <@rikersan> huh, where'd you get the third book? 13:59 pretty good i think? 13:59 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 13:59 <@rikersan> VOTD, axus, or wiztower? 13:59 uh 13:59 lemme think 13:59 <@rikersan> 9th on the scoreboard mosntergrin 13:59 WH 13:59 WHAT 14:00 ??????????? 14:00 <@rikersan> yep 14:00 <@rikersan> for dnh at least 14:00