00:06 <@IceBox> @lapis that gives me flashbacks to a time when i was going to do my first ever alchemy-fest and i had about 20 extra healing potions that i wanted to BUC test at an altar so that they would all stack for dipping 00:06 <@IceBox> but i was levitating 00:08 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 00:08 Damn 00:09 I had made it all the way to Medusa+1 still wearing my starting +2 elven cloak... still in slot e too 00:09 Then i met a polymorph trap and became a vorpal jabberwock 00:09 <@IceBox> ouchies, i just hit my first poly trap and polymorphed from a male human monk into a male human monk 00:10 <@IceBox> so i guess nethack cuts you a break sometimes 00:10 Ruined a good +1 mithril-coat too but the cloak had sentimental value 00:10 <@IceBox> it was like a security blanket 00:10 Of course i wouldn't still be wearing it if I'd come across the cloak of MR 00:11 I saw the dragon i needed for the MR scales on this level too—but it didn't drop the scales 00:34 <@lapis> well i need to deal with lamashtu now so i may need those, or lose them 00:35 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 magic dragon scales", on T:56989 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 2676 points, T:1658, freezing sphere 00:40 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:51 -!- stenno is now known as Guest52886 00:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Mal Cha) killed Aldinach, on T:55168 00:55 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:55 -!- Guest52886 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:11 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:20327 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 50 points, T:14, leprechaun 01:12 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed the eye of the aethiopica", on T:20339 01:13 wand in antechamber at ft ludios 01:13 booyah 01:14 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 dragonhide water walking boots of speed", on T:20343 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 492 points, T:555, orc 01:15 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 silver gauntlets of power and dexterity", on T:20347 01:16 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 168 points, T:204, the ghost of rustmonster 01:17 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance", on T:20462 01:28 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Priest ### Mal ###) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:4488 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 4629 points, T:4536, orc 01:49 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:57 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-!- Guest61658 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:59 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 07:20 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 07:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:07 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 08:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:11 -!- Tangles_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:20 K2: a recent commit changed the number of objects (which causes configuration incompatibility errors and breaks the save) but I didn't realize it so didn't update patchlevel. 08:21 ah 08:21 it should have been a post junethack commit 08:21 well i havent pulled anything yet 08:21 and i wont til you give me the go ahead 08:22 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 08:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 08:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:29 yeah there's not really anything I can do on my end to fix it 08:30 if you have a save from before that commit, and you try to play it in the post-commit build, it breaks 08:30 so I was wondering if dgl versioning could do the trick there 08:30 or indeed you could just check to see whether any saves from that period actually exist 08:32 well i havent updated xnethack yet so its not an issue. when i pull the update, i'll just set it up as another newer version and have dgl differentiate between it and the current version 08:33 <[Demo][srn]1> yey 08:33 do you need to adjust patchlevel.h? 08:34 wait if you never updated it how did it break bouquet's save 08:35 <[Demo][srn]1> press v and see last compile time 08:35 i'm in 08:36 Unix xNetHack Version 0.2.0-0 Beta - last build Mon Jul 2 00:36:43 2018. 08:36 (f246995fd92db7e9ac052533100cf9088534c71b,branch:master) 08:36 so that is after junethack but before i left for training 08:36 last 2 weeks are a blur.... 08:38 crap 08:38 that was your last push to master branch 08:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:55 -!- stenno is now known as Guest46747 08:55 <@Tone> What is the point of shouting? 08:57 -!- Tangles has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:58 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:59 -!- Guest46747 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:07 who knows 09:10 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 09:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 09:10 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:10 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 09:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:55 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:58 <@luxidream> tone: mahou shoujo shout all their spells 09:58 <@luxidream> And the technique “world fall” makes you shout too 09:59 <@luxidream> it makes noise in game 10:07 <@Tone> That makes sense. I suppose it wakes up monsters and whatnot 10:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:47 <@luxidream> YANI: whenever you deal extra damage with an elemental attack because they’re resistant to the opposite element (e.g. frost brand vs Surtur) print “It’s super effective!” 10:55 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:55 -!- stenno is now known as Guest58600 11:00 -!- Guest58600 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:22 https://roguelikelog.blogspot.com/search/label/Junethack 11:22 bhaak: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-07-13 12:20 EDT: suggestion from Chris_ANG and me: change "how many times can your clan kill Medusa?" to "how many different role/race/gender/variant combos can your clan kill Medusa with?" 11:23 I swear to RNG, Japan is not from this planet 11:23 uh 11:23 I don't think most of us read Japanese 11:25 google translate does 11:26 aosdict might want to look at it as that person has documented several of his xnethack deaths in junethack 11:26 Can you help me out here I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at 11:26 a japanese person blogging about xnethack and junethack 11:27 https://translate.google.com/ 11:27 Google Translate does Japanese quite well. 11:31 luxidream, that's a good idea for the pokemon trainer role 11:31 like in slex 11:31 do I need to say @Luxidream? 11:36 <@luxidream> yeah that pings me 11:37 <@luxidream> bhaak: I wonder how big the jp community is 11:38 <@luxidream> could there be Japanese Tariru? 12:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:01 -!- stenno is now known as Guest82533 12:01 <@luxidream> Mind flayers are @ in dnethack? 12:02 <@luxidream> That’s evil 12:04 <@luxidream> xnethack* 12:06 <@luxidream> oh they’re blue h. That screenshot was kind of confusing 12:06 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 12:06 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 12:17 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:33779 12:34 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 12:35 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:61420 12:35 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35 <[Demo][srn]1> it is evil in xnh 12:35 <[Demo][srn]1> make mindflayer purple, mmf pink, and dwarf king that color 12:36 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 12:48 What are mind flayers in vanilla 13:02 <[Demo][srn]1> purple 13:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:11 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 13:29 Phew 13:29 I req 13:29 Guh 13:30 I read a blessed ? of enchant weapon in a rush, having forgotten to equip the right weapon first 13:30 My +7 Stormy went to +8 and didn't evaporate 13:31 But it did "vibrate unexpectedly," which i know means i can't make that mistake again 13:32 Does the game always warn that way? Like is it not gonna evaporate anything that hasn't given me the "vibrates unexpectedly" message 13:33 @luxidream the japanese community used to be quite active. they have been translating the different variants pretty fast. 13:33 but they are like a gated community. I don't know what their current state is 13:35 <@luxidream> picaresquieu: you got lucky 13:36 picaresquieu: It's safe to enchant weapons that are +5 or below 13:36 Else, 2/3 chance of evaporating 13:38 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:38 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 13:52 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 13:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 14:05 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) stole 1063 zorkmids of merchandise from the general store of Kopasker on T:63107 14:05 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 14:06 I think I need a new IRC client 14:06 Is livelogging theft an un thing or does it work in other variants? 14:06 For sl 14:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:06 If you need a new irc client I reccommend irccloud 14:06 For some reason this one disconnects me every time my character triggers an announcement 14:07 Good looks Pavel 14:07 If you do use it I highly advise going to the settings and enabling a dark theme 14:12 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Kopasker on T:63262 14:13 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 14:31 <@Tone> picaresquieu: You do not always get a warning. So be careful if you are enchanting an unidentified weapon. 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Pri Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "the blessed greased fixed master KEY of thieverY", on T:16805 14:41 does tmux tend to strip color out of irc? 14:41 specifically, i don't see nick colors, but i do see colors in message lines 14:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Pri Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:19710 15:05 rumflump: I think that's a weechat thing, I had the same thing in Konsole 15:09 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:16 rumflump: I'm in tmux, and I see both the message line colors from Beholder and the colors I've configured in irssi. 15:19 hmm! thanks for the data points 15:20 I use a generic ish nickcolor irssi script 15:20 but I also see color in e.g. * rumflump joined #hardfought 15:23 IRCCloud show nick colors when the name is followed by `:`. 15:24 well yes but you can't use irccloud in tmux 15:25 bhaak: I guess I'll check that out 15:25 I'm not being helpful I'm just intrested by different behaviours of various clients. 15:26 aosdict: When will you push that fix you made the other day? 15:26 PavelB: I use konversation, and different nicks are different random colors, but all join/quit messags are purple 15:28 I tried Konversation once 15:28 I accidentally screwed up the settings in the first time setup and couldn't find them again 15:29 my evil twin (irina|log) uses irssi to log when I'm not there 15:29 Hmm, scrolls of material change. I'll put that one down as a grunthack/xnethack YANI. 15:29 i like the style where the whole line, including the nick, is all one (uniqueish) color 15:29 per nick 15:30 I like the nick being in color and the text in boring black-on-white 15:30 raisse: I don't see the point in having a separate logger, really. Just let my main client log stuff and leave that connected. 15:30 raisse: white-on-black > black-on-white 15:32 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:32 I use konversation on my laptop and that's not on 24/7 15:33 but the server is 15:33 PavelB: I dislike dark background 15:33 (and for my future reference: these YANIs are coming from Escaity, afaict) 15:33 PavelB: no value judgment, just personal preference 15:33 D: 15:34 > Light-colored themes are an evil plot to blind the human race. 15:34 -- someone wise 15:34 PavelB: you won't convince me 15:35 PavelB and jonadab and FIQ tag team go 15:35 hi 15:35 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 15:36 Huh? Tag team? 15:36 dark on bright is evil yes 15:36 hard to read 15:36 you're probably all convinced that everybody should have the same preference as you, and it's evil to have a different preference 15:36 fine, then I'm evil 15:37 yes, my opinion is a fact 15:37 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37 it always is 15:37 see you next year Announcy 15:37 someone needs to do a scientific analysis of dark vs light themes and productivity 15:37 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 15:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 15:37 my opinion is an opinion and I'll hold to it whatever people say against it 15:37 Gray on gray is the best 15:37 fog theme 15:38 I actually prefer black or very dark grey or green on off-white 15:38 PavelB: potential bias since people who don't bother customizing might have a different average productivity 15:38 people who don't bother customizing tend to have dark on bright 15:38 dnethack/variant-agnostic YANI: fog clouds block LOS 15:38 Dark-on-light is fine on paper but very, very, very painful on luminous media, such as computer screens 15:38 why don't they? 15:38 I do bother customizing and I still dislike dark background 15:39 and no, it doesn't hurt my eyes 15:39 raisse: you realize I wasn't saying that all people who customize have bright on dark, right? 15:39 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39 My preferences for dark-on-light and light-on-dark depend more on the ambient light than anything else. 15:39 I have nothing against people who prefer that, but I find it much harder to read that way 15:39 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 15:39 what I do get annoyed by is stupid web designers who insist on overriding foreground but not background 15:39 or vice versa 15:39 it's ridiculously common 15:40 FIQ: How about a controlled study like this: Show a bunch of people an informational film. Then instruct them to write a brief report on the information covered. Half get an editor with a light theme and the other with a dark theme. 15:40 agree fiq 15:40 okay, as long as you don't try to push it on other people that *they* actually prefer or should prefer something they don't actually prefer 15:40 sorry, I'm getting worked up, I', out of this discussion now 15:40 raisse: if you post a screenshot of a terminal with black on white for example 15:40 I will mention that I find it hard to read 15:40 I will not demand you change it 15:40 why would I do that 15:40 it's not like I'm affected now, am I? 15:41 PavelB: that's an interesting idea 15:41 of a way to go about it 15:41 I approve 15:42 "There is an item that keeps the luck of the player who is a happy stone in good condition if it says what is at the bottom of Mine of Nome." <-- google translate messed this one up a bit 15:42 lol what did you translate it from? 15:42 aosdict: yay for translation trainwrecks 15:42 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 15:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 15:42 PavelB: showing me an informational film won't have any effect anyway, I don't process video well 15:42 PavelB: I do much better with text 15:43 raisse: the japanese xnethack posts that bhaak linked 15:43 People in Japan are playing xnethack? 15:43 PavelB: the way I would do it 15:43 since I use bright on dark due to finding it easier on the eyes 15:43 is to give people a text to read 15:44 and determine how fast they read it 15:44 with the 2 alternatives 15:44 MiseryMyra: Evidently. I know 15:44 I know I've seen the name Escaity before. 15:44 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:22304 15:44 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45 also he got his assumption wrong that the gnomish sewer contains a loadstone (it only has a luckstone and a touchstone) 15:45 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 15:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 15:46 and also tried to use the heart of ahriman naming trick which doesn't work 15:46 that's a really old bug 15:46 can't get enough of this consistent translation of luckstone into "happy stone" 15:47 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47 apparently the bug still exist in NH4 15:47 ...why 15:47 aosdict: maybe it's some sort of pun in a different language? 15:48 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 15:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 15:48 bhaak: Announcy seems a bit sick 15:48 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48 s/the bug/the exploit/ 15:48 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 15:48 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) defeated Medusa, on T:32532 15:49 nah it's probably some sort of confluence of "lucky" and "happy" 15:49 aosdict: When are you pushing the fix for named starting equipment? 15:51 I guess I could now 15:51 probably should bump to 0.2.1 on account of the amount of items changing 15:52 ok finished reading this account... died to a mind flayer hah 15:52 rip 15:52 Also, can you either fix the "bug" where `a-` can cause a message with a lowercase letter or take a look at my PR 15:52 so xnh has a liveblog now. awesome. 15:53 The reason I don't want to merge the PR is because I don't want to add extra include libraries if I don't have to. 15:53 !who 15:53 FIQ: [hdf-us] k2 [gh] Bent [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] picaresquieu [un] hothraxxa [4k] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:53 what about eu and au 15:53 Come to think of it, I saw a function in `hacklib.h` that di the same thing and forgot about it 15:53 !who eu 15:53 FIQ: [hdf-us] k2 [gh] Bent [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] picaresquieu [un] hothraxxa [4k] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:53 K2: ? 15:53 read FIQ 15:54 FIQ: they're there 15:54 oh 15:54 * FIQ slaps FIQ around a bit with a large FIQ-bot 15:54 no tri-message sending 15:54 sorry, just used to it 15:54 yup 15:54 i may play around with the dividing character some 15:54 FIQ: yeah, I had to beat Announcy into submission. afterwards, I turned out, I was editing the code of another bot 15:54 sorry, Announcy 15:54 heh 15:55 does this works for everything 15:55 !lastgame 15:55 FIQ: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mkarrasch/un531/dumplog/1531821152.un531.txt.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Leeroy/slex/dumplog/1531850174.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/nh343/dumplog/1531572795.nh343.txt 15:55 PavelB: I thought there was a way without buffer copying that gave you a capitalized ldrname, but maybe not? 15:55 I guess it does 15:55 aosdict: No copying here, actually. 15:56 True. You could just drop in highc instead of toupper. 15:57 Yep, that's it. 15:57 Also, `const char` and not `char const`. IDK why I wrote `char const`. 15:57 Done 15:59 <@luxidream> aosdict: escaity died to a mind flayer because he didn't recognize the blue h, most likely 15:59 yeah 15:59 <@luxidream> maybe make dwarf kings blue and leave mind flayers as pink and purple? 15:59 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 15:59 no, everyone says to do that, but then it breaks the purple=royal thing every other royal monster has going for it 15:59 but dwarf kings are kings! they should be purple! 15:59 MiseryMyra: people in japan even joined junethack. that blog writer is https://junethack.net/user/Escaity 15:59 I want mind flayers off of h entirely, really. 16:02 what do you want mind flayers on, then? 16:02 probably something else that will be freed up by monster letter rearrangement 16:02 make mind flayers change color every round 16:02 U isn't a terrible idea. 16:02 rumflump: then I would have to call them "fleecy flayers" 16:03 mind fleecers? 16:03 idk, color cycling is hardly unique to fleece. 16:03 <[Demo][srn]1> just put them somewhere scary 16:03 <@luxidream> LarienTelrunya^ 16:03 <[Demo][srn]1> not somewhere not scary 16:03 other RLs use color cycling here and there, especially for hallu 16:04 making mind flayers U will do away with minesflayers because they'll no longer be eligible as a random h 16:04 yes 16:04 (which is probably a good thing) 16:04 I have no problem with that 16:04 quantum mechanics could also go to U 16:04 <@luxidream> goodbye umber hulks 16:04 <[Demo][srn]1> U is scary 16:04 <[Demo][srn]1> because elder brains and horrors 16:04 will anything be Q then? 16:04 <@luxidream> never did anything wrong 16:04 @luxidream nah, just put em on Y or H or something 16:04 <[Demo][srn]1> dont put elves on Q it is dumb 16:05 Q as in Quendi? 16:05 despite what Demo says, elves are planned to be moved to Q 16:05 LarienTelrunya ^ 16:05 <[Demo][srn]1> motherfourker 16:05 <@luxidream> why 16:05 overcrowding of @ 16:06 and makes it so that @ === human 16:06 I agree with this move 16:07 what about half-width characters 16:07 <@luxidream> racism! elves are people too :p 16:09 so they should be on p 16:09 <[Demo][srn]1> dont mess with mlets 16:09 <[Demo][srn]1> youll just confuse and piss ppl off 16:10 that attitude leads to ossification 16:10 raisse: yes 16:10 <[Demo][srn]1> such is the way of nethack 16:11 the one thing I think is important if variants is going to rearrange things 16:11 is for variants to try to adhere to each other 16:11 or it will confuse everyone to no end 16:12 yes but if all variants adhere to each other, nothing ever gets rearranged 16:12 because someone has to do it first 16:12 thus I think it would be best if it is a multiperson effort to suggest changes 16:12 across variant developers 16:12 <@luxidream> yes, but if someone decides to make blue a into mindflayers, there's a problem 16:12 o s s i f i c a t i o n 16:12 getting variant developers to agree on stuff? psh 16:13 aosdict: this is an especially major change though 16:13 [Demo][srn]1: i think darkstat is too much work for our little thinkpenguin router 16:13 you're changing the base appearance of the game 16:13 it shut off a few times today 16:13 <[Demo][srn]1> well damn 16:13 if all variants looked completely different with monster letters 16:13 and colors 16:13 people would stick to one variant and not bother with others 16:13 <[Demo][srn]1> if all variants were slex 16:13 slex is an exception 16:13 I've had a proposal up for a long time with possible mlet/color rearrangement, which I'm slowly incorporating into xnh 16:13 <@luxidream> what if it were more customizable 16:13 slex can be safely ignored in this discussion 16:14 generalizations and rules about variants do not apply to slex 16:14 i can't really be sure that's the problem though lol. it has shut off before, even when we didn't have darkstat 16:14 there is absolutely no way it is going to adhere to any standard with the monster roster it has 16:14 <@luxidream> isn't there an option in 3.4.3 to change monster colors? why not monster letters 16:14 @luxidream both can be changed in 3.4.3-nao 16:14 monstercolors and whatever the monster sym option is 16:14 Monster letters have gameplay significance 16:14 you can change monster class letters in vanilla 3.6 16:14 changing monster symbols is actually vanilla 16:15 now, the problem is 16:15 you can't change symbol on a per-monster basis 16:15 What happens if you squish every monster onto `a` or something and genocide class `a`? 16:15 so we get issues like 16:15 you can in nao 3.4.3, I have ghosts on X there 16:15 4k elves being Q 16:15 something you can't change with monsym 16:15 because elves are @ 16:15 as are humans 16:16 PavelB: kind of irrelevant since no serious variant would do that 16:16 but they aren't distinct 16:16 <[Demo][srn]1> all variants should be balanced like slex is 16:16 you can change the appearance to Q 16:16 but that makes humans Q too 16:16 PavelB: monsym does not translate to class genocide 16:16 and doing that makes blessed genocide very weird... 16:16 really, class genocide should just give you a list of all monster classes 16:17 Yeah 16:17 to ensure consistency 16:17 FIQ: :P 16:17 why does no one insert new quantum mechanic types to save Team Q :( 16:17 I fully support more Q 16:17 What Qs does SLEX have? 16:17 <[Demo][srn]1> slashem does it and it isnt cool 16:17 @le?genetic engineer 16:17 genetic engineer (Q) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: special | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d4 claw poly | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, teleports, poisonous, infravisible 16:18 <[Demo][srn]1> just broken 16:18 @le?invader 16:18 invader (Q) | Lvl: 13 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 13 | Res: fire | Confers: nothing | MR: 25 | Generates: special | AC: 2 | Attacks: 1d8 weapon physical, 1d8 weapon physical, 1d8 weapon fire | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, poisonous, infravisible 16:18 @le?inka hunter 16:18 inka hunter (Q) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 17 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d8 weapon physical | Alignment: 8 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible 16:18 @l?genetic engineer 16:18 genetic engineer (Q) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d4 claw poly | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, teleports, poisonous, infravisible 16:18 better 16:18 since it isn't slex 16:18 slex's genetic engineer is actually less broken because more things resist the poly attack (namely, you can no longer tame Death that way) 16:19 oh yeah I forgot how that attack isn't resisted by MR 16:19 monster MR 16:19 which is great 16:19 you can poly everything 16:19 why does no one insert new quantum mechanic types to save Team Q :( <-- antigulp does 16:19 and since slex poly is temporary 16:19 er, slash'em 16:19 you can polymorph demon lords 16:20 tame the result 16:20 and then let it unpolky 16:20 *unpoly 16:20 I don't think xnh adds any new mons, right? 16:20 and now you have tame demon lords 16:20 @l?Frankenstein 16:20 No such monster. 16:20 @le?Frankenstein 16:20 No such monster. 16:20 PavelB: Not yet. 16:21 @l?Frankenstein's monster 16:21 Frankenstein's Monster (') | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 8 | Res: cold sleep shock poison drain | Confers: cold sleep shock poison | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: -5 | Attacks: 3d8 claw physical, 3d8 claw physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: breathless, mindless, nopoly, undead 16:21 <[Demo][srn]1> antigulps are a cool idea 16:21 [Demo][srn]1: what are they 16:21 <@luxidream> you mean the splice failed clones and amalgamations? 16:21 <[Demo][srn]1> amalgamations 16:21 <@luxidream> they're okay 16:21 <@luxidream> not very threatening though 16:21 <[Demo][srn]1> i think they work kind of like horrors? 16:21 ooh those things 16:21 <[Demo][srn]1> his implementation sucks 16:21 <[Demo][srn]1> but its a neat idea 16:21 it's a cool idea 16:21 no idea how it really works in practice 16:21 If I do, they will be not very many in number, backed up by folklore or myth, and be distinct in gameplay. 16:22 <@luxidream> most of the time you get two harmless monsters and it deals a pathetic amount of physical damage 16:22 aosdict: better to improve distinction of existing things 16:22 nethack has so many filler mons 16:22 sure 16:22 especially & needs improvement 16:22 I have *more* interest in improving distinction of existing things... but I have a few ideas for new monsters I might want to add too. 16:23 I'm fine with this. Not having a bunch of random new things is something I like about xnh. 16:23 Will-o-the-wisps, phoenixes, and so on 16:23 aosdict: you could remove a monster for each new you add 16:23 <@luxidream> one thing I dislike about adding new things is that you might not see them very much 16:23 that way you're motivated into making the new stuff special 16:23 while avoiding... slexifying things 16:23 <@luxidream> I hardly saw any of antigulp's new items 16:23 FIQ: well zruties are already on the chopping block 16:23 xnh seems like it's gonna be the oldschool equivalent of fiqhack 16:24 <@luxidream> when playing splice 16:24 what letter would a phoenix be anyway 16:24 B 16:24 B? D? 16:24 <@luxidream> ?le Ho-oh 16:24 @le?ho-oh 16:24 Ho-oh (B) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 35 | Spd: 30 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification | Confers: cold | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -15 | Attacks: 10d5 claw physical, 4d4 claw item steal, 10d5 breath fire, 4d3 bite fire | Alignment: -6 | Flags: omnivore, flies, breathless, thick hide, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 16:25 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:25 aosdict: how would you do the rebirth thing 16:25 rumflump: eh... I don't have as strong of an inclination to make stuff symmetrical because it would be tons of work, most of which would be agonizing reimplementation of stuff already in fiqhack 16:25 make a phoenix egg if it dies? 16:25 or what 16:25 probably. splice did something interesting there I think 16:25 I think they got an AT_BOOM AD_FIRE attack 16:26 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 16:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 16:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1328 points, T:1062, quit 16:32 -!- deadnoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32