00:00 yeah it's kinda fun-hell 00:00 <[Demo][srn]1> I figure everything is ghetto as hell? 00:00 <[Demo][srn]1> network wise 00:00 <[Demo][srn]1> and hardware wise 00:00 like when i fix shit, in a golf cart at 2 AM racing down a muddy trail, it feels pretty amazing 00:00 when the internet is down for 2 or 3 days i wanna hide forever and ever 00:01 <[Demo][srn]1> Yeah ow 00:01 <[Demo][srn]1> I really like ghettoing networks and stuff 00:01 <[Demo][srn]1> but that's not what the guys that pay a lot of money want 00:01 we got a thinkpenguin router and it's pretty good but some of the folks who lived here before i got here, they REALLY miss the old tomato router 00:02 <[Demo][srn]1> so I have to learn to not do that and practice to not do that and it makes me sad 00:02 i picked up a gargoyle router because people watching netflix are killing the bandwidth for the people who are bringing in our income 00:02 i know a gargoyle router and a thinkpenguin router are basically the same thing, but i'm afraid to flash the router we all rely on 00:03 what's the alternative to ghettoing stuff? lots of shopping? 00:03 <[Demo][srn]1> cisco 00:03 <[Demo][srn]1> lol 00:03 ah fuck that, i associate cisco with the ADSL days 00:04 <[Demo][srn]1> my idea of a good router is an old shit dell desktop with some nics thrown in with either berkley packet filter rules or ip tables bemonkery 00:05 lol 00:05 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:05 i think the comp that we now use just for running bandwidthd, was like that at one point 00:05 -!- stenno is now known as Guest22392 00:05 it had ummmm, some other thing on it 00:05 pfsense 00:06 <[Demo][srn]1> eh yeah in the end that still uses berkley packet filters 00:06 <[Demo][srn]1> so probably what I would end up doing 00:07 <[Demo][srn]1> cause like you can do a lot for very cheap if you are willing to set it up yourself and accept that shit will probably break 00:08 <[Demo][srn]1> ebay laptops with broken screens are a core building block of the ghetto network 00:08 oh, and here's the punchline: all this shit went down while i'm not on the farm. so i told someone else how to SSH into the router and ban all the windows machines until i get back, because 99 to 1 says that the infected computer isn't not Windows... 00:09 <[Demo][srn]1> haha 00:09 -!- Guest22392 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:09 <[Demo][srn]1> do you have real APs? 00:10 you mean netgear whatevers at each building, and RP-N12 repeaters in most of the buildings to help those netgear whatevers out? 00:11 messaged you btw 00:11 <[Demo][srn]1> don't get messages cause my bot is too ghetto for that 00:12 <[Demo][srn]1> this is a ghetto node js bot that forwards irc stuff to and from my private discord server so I can just use discord 00:12 <[Demo][srn]1> but it doesn't handle a lot and I'm too lazy to add stuff anymore 00:13 that's weird 00:14 so are you on regular discord servers or just the private one? 00:14 <[Demo][srn]1> on regular ones of course or why else would I bother unifying everything to discord of all platforms 00:19 <[Demo][srn]1> https://www.twinoaks.org/ 00:23 is a netgear whatever a real AP 00:27 <[Demo][srn]1> better than an old laptop 00:35 <@lapis> if i have intrinsic poly control, is it silly to try and get intrinsic polymorphitis? 00:42 <@lapis> wait, why was twin oaks brought up? 00:46 well then i have real APs, i guess 00:46 we have so much old hardware 00:46 honestly, no wonder a botnet infected my network, because we just have all this untapped shit just lying around, and most of it is out of date 00:56 hi 00:56 Hello bug_sniper, Welcome to #hardfought 00:57 rumflump, were you secretly in junethack under an alias nobody recognizes? 01:09 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Durin's Bane, on T:40398 01:12 aw i wish 01:12 i like junethack quite a bit 01:12 a tournament aimed at noobies? 01:12 which doesn't sufficiently entertain or challenge hardcore players in some ways? 01:13 sign me up 01:13 i was raised on starcraft 1 01:13 where it was either git gud or play CMS forever 01:13 (okay, admittedly, i played CMS forever. but it was fucking great so fuck you) 01:40 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 01:40 I don't remember what cms is 01:40 oh, it's UMS, sorry 01:40 Use Map Settings 01:41 sand castle wars, zombie shopping spree, mini-game party, etc 01:41 yeah, agreed, starcraft is awesome 01:41 run zergling run 01:42 yani: a zerg monster that always spawns in pairs 01:43 [Demo][srn]1: is this a good enough guide? https://jvns.ca/tcpdump-zine.pdf 01:43 Playing UMS maps was a fun time 01:44 I always liked the tower defense ones 01:44 purportedly, WC3 had a better UMS tower-def thing going on 01:44 but i was a starcraft kiddo 01:46 unexpected, the zombie shopping spree turns it into a first person shooter 01:46 I mostly played vanilla WC3 01:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E17VVQJHsE 01:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible Grue, on T:35995 01:51 it is dark. 01:57 -!- deadnoob has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:57 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 01:59 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 02:05 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:06 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 02:06 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06 -!- stenno is now known as Guest90158 02:09 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 02:10 -!- Guest90158 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:10 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:12 runnin from the Beat and the PLLSHSSHLLSLSH 02:14 yucata.de? 02:15 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:18 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 02:26 -!- rld1 has joined #hardfought 02:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld1] by ChanServ 02:26 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27 -!- rld1 is now known as rld 02:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 yellow dragon scale shield", on T:38087 02:48 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 02:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 02:49 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:05 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:37 !why 03:37 !who 03:37 rumflump: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361] 03:42 !whoou 03:44 !pom 03:44 raisse: The moon is waxing crescent; full moon in 11 days. 03:45 good, I was getting fed up with the new moon 03:45 doesn't normal luck replace it? 03:45 not on Friday the 13th 03:46 and I was too busy to play on the weekend 03:46 today is a lot not friday 03:46 I know, and it's not the 13th either :-) 03:47 *bounce bounce* game night tonight 03:47 MACAO? 03:48 unpack that please? 03:48 there's a boardgame called macao 03:48 it's my current obsession 03:48 what y'all been playin? 03:48 no, our long-running tabletop campaign 03:48 I don't play boardgames much 03:49 https://valdyas.org/galsin/ 03:49 (writeups in story form) 03:51 "You destroy the wraith! You feel clumsy! You haven't been working on reflexes lately." 03:51 I must be more careful with my wraiths in the future 03:51 gah, I've set my konsole default profile to 80x24 and it *always* opens a new terminal at 80x26 03:51 whyyyy konsole 03:54 finally I find a wand of secret door detection, in Moloch's graveyard 03:54 that means I can dump this heavy bell 04:02 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:02 -!- stenno is now known as Guest2400 04:04 <@IceBox> a fan of the great stefan feld, good stuff rumflump 04:05 <@IceBox> haven't played macao, but castles of burgundy and trajan are both faves around here 04:29 -!- Guest2400 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:39 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:05 -!- rumflump has quit [Quit: rumflump] 06:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:25 -!- stenno is now known as Guest18478 06:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:30 -!- Guest18478 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:47 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 07:52 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 27132 points, T:3248, killed by a wererat, while praying 08:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:26 -!- stenno is now known as Guest34441 08:30 -!- Guest34441 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:48 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:44805 09:24 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3365 10:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:16 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:27 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:27 -!- stenno is now known as Guest92117 10:32 -!- Guest92117 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 51700 points, T:7417, killed by a rope golem 10:54 <@lapis> Hey riker or demo can I get some advisement when either of you are around 11:01 <@rikersan> I AM THE HERE 11:01 <@rikersan> @lapis 11:03 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 11:04 <@rikersan> @lapis I'm off and on this mornign just like descibe yo situtation and I'll help in like 15 min 11:04 <@rikersan> oh hai 11:05 <@rikersan> I see you wished YDSS, nice 11:05 <@rikersan> anything else? discord serach is spastic atm 11:05 <@lapis> I have a bunch of wishes and i don’t know what’s super important for the ana quest 11:05 <@rikersan> ok 11:05 <@rikersan> do you have a reliable source of death 11:05 <@lapis> I have ydss alredy 11:05 <@rikersan> like, wand or FoD spell 11:05 <@lapis> Two wands 11:05 <@rikersan> at least 10 charges? 11:05 <@lapis> I can use powerpacke 11:05 <@rikersan> kk 11:05 <@rikersan> (fwiw, bless all those asap, they're unblankable scrolls of charging) 11:05 <@lapis> I did lol 11:06 <@rikersan> ok, what about your gear 11:06 <@rikersan> tshirt or bodyglove? 11:06 <@rikersan> and are you using a plasteel helm? 11:06 <@lapis> +5 leather armor, orihalcyon gauntlets, odyglove, elven boots, plaster helm, cloak of protection 11:06 <@lapis> I’m naturally invisible 11:06 <@rikersan> +5 leather armor 11:06 <@rikersan> what 11:06 <@lapis> Spawned in a shop 11:06 <@rikersan> oh lol 11:07 <@rikersan> my suggestions: 11:07 <@rikersan> well, you absoluetly need flying/lev 11:07 <@rikersan> there is water you'll need to move over 11:07 <@lapis> I’m using an amulet for reflection, I’m bound to Paimon right now and can bind to eden 11:07 <@lapis> I have a ring of lev 11:07 <@rikersan> what about a lightsaber? 11:07 <@rikersan> soresu is amazing 11:07 <@rikersan> you want to train that asap, to expert 11:07 <@lapis> And cold spells 11:07 <@rikersan> (it's like +20 AC and dragonbreath reflection) 11:07 <@lapis> I do have one 11:08 <@rikersan> what's your AC? 11:08 <@rikersan> and any artiwishes so far? 11:08 <@rikersan> (or artifacts for that matter) 11:08 <@lapis> Like -25ish, 33 if I cast protection 11:09 <@lapis> Not using any artis, no good ones generated 11:09 <@rikersan> hm ok 11:09 <@lapis> And I haven’t wished yet 11:09 <@rikersan> for any artis you mean ok 11:09 <@lapis> I have a ton of enchant armor scrolls 11:09 <@rikersan> any weight issues? 11:09 <@rikersan> and you're chaotic right 11:10 <@rikersan> I'd say wish helping hand and GM robe 11:10 <@rikersan> curse resis and athame is pretty nice 11:10 <@rikersan> and you seem to be a spellcaster so GM robe sounds useful 11:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:12 <@lapis> Chaotic yeah, I’m not really using offensive spells but I bound paimon to recharge some books 11:12 <@rikersan> ah 11:12 <@lapis> I could use some extra weight 11:12 <@rikersan> then helping hand and tiedye 11:13 <@lapis> What would you recommend for body armor? Other than ydsm since I have a shield of that already 11:13 <@rikersan> generally go for YDSM instead of YDSS 11:13 <@rikersan> green DSS is slightly more usefu 11:13 <@rikersan> (since sickness res isn't as useful) 11:14 <@rikersan> but if you have YDSS, I'd say maybe orange or blue 11:14 <@rikersan> orange is free action, blue is speed 11:15 <@lapis> I have a ring of free action 11:15 <@rikersan> do you have an engagement ring? 11:15 <@lapis> Have speed boots too but I’ve been favoring stealth 11:15 <@lapis> Yeah it’s shock res 11:15 <@rikersan> kk 11:16 <@rikersan> I'd say go for orange 11:16 <@rikersan> then you can wear slow digest and engagement in gehennom 11:16 <@rikersan> and conflict and engagmenet in teh quest 11:16 <@lapis> Really wish I could wish for intrinsics 11:16 <@rikersan> you can write them 11:17 <@rikersan> blessed scrolls of resis yo 11:17 <@lapis> Nah for stealth and poly control 11:17 <@lapis> I have a new ring of poly control but I’ve eaten 3 and haven’t gotten the intrinsic yet 11:17 <@rikersan> LOL 11:17 <@lapis> Can you branchport out of the ana quest? 11:17 <@rikersan> yes 11:17 <@rikersan> go for cthulhu soonish then 11:17 <@lapis> Nah 11:17 <@rikersan> do you have dant 11:17 <@rikersan> *dantalion? 11:17 <@lapis> I’ll bind eden instead 11:18 <@lapis> Yeah 11:18 <@rikersan> ok, yeah, do cthulhu whenever you get around to it 11:18 <@rikersan> he's acutally pretty easy in this vesrion 11:18 <@lapis> I thought about using his covetous travel but that seems very dangerous in the ana quest 11:18 <@rikersan> oh absolutely 11:18 <@rikersan> enki is a tad better but I don't know if there are doors anymore 11:18 <@lapis> Especially since he gives telepathy and I’ve managed to go without it 11:18 <@rikersan> there are doors 11:18 <@rikersan> but they're closed at the start 11:19 <@lapis> So not very helpful 11:19 <@rikersan> well they'll be opened reasonably soon 11:19 <@lapis> Could poly into something with phasing 11:19 <@rikersan> I'm testing in wizmode 11:19 <@rikersan> not worth it 11:19 <@rikersan> you can sprint that reasaonbly quick 11:19 <@rikersan> the only thing is DON"T enter LoS of elder brains 11:20 <@rikersan> only do that if you're zapping on the next action 11:20 <@rikersan> (not the next TURN, the next ACTION) 11:20 <@lapis> So make sure to be very fast 11:20 <@rikersan> yes 11:20 <@rikersan> and time it 11:21 <@rikersan> like, wait until the monsters move 11:21 <@rikersan> (with . or s) 11:21 <@rikersan> then move out and zap immediately 11:21 <@lapis> I do have the jumping spell, would that be useful at all? 11:21 <@lapis> I’m restricted in escape spells though 11:21 <@rikersan> not really 11:24 <@Tone> Keep in mind that jumping ends your turn so don't jump and expect another action 11:24 <@Tone> In vanilla at least 11:25 <@rikersan> oh really that's retarded 11:27 <@Tone> Yeah if you would have gotten an extra action then it's wasted 11:27 <@rikersan> also, @lapis I'm saying all this cuz of the worst case 11:27 <@rikersan> (you get a filth spell cast on the first turn possible) 11:27 <@rikersan> it's definitely possible if not likely the elder brains just end up casting buff spells 11:28 <@rikersan> so you do'nt really take that much damage 11:28 <@Tone> Can you disintegrate them? 11:28 <@rikersan> oh you can 11:28 <@rikersan> and wand of death too 11:28 <@rikersan> the only thing is that that's not always an option :p 11:29 <@rikersan> if they see you, you will 75% get fucked up 11:29 <@rikersan> and there's like 7 of them 11:29 <@Tone> You could disintegrate through a wall of you don't want them to see you first 11:29 <@rikersan> oh maybe 11:29 <@rikersan> well the walls are undiggable 11:29 <@rikersan> so proabbly not 11:29 <@lapis> I would need a ray gun to drop anyways 11:29 <@Tone> Ah nevermind then 😅 11:29 <@lapis> Or black drag poly 11:29 <@rikersan> oh yeah rayguns are great 11:29 <@Tone> What does a filth spell do? 11:30 <@rikersan> paralyzes, makes you vomit, deathly ill, and greases hands 11:30 <@rikersan> it's almost impossible to avoid it too 11:30 <@rikersan> tha'ts why you see people in dnh dumplogs with cursed weapons 11:30 <@rikersan> protection from filth 11:32 <@lapis> Should I wear a body glove for the quest and then swap it for the tie die shirt? 11:32 <@rikersan> not really worth it 11:32 <@rikersan> if you're worried, bind iris 11:33 <@rikersan> not hard at all in the ana quest 11:33 <@rikersan> (changed leave poison clouds) 11:33 <@lapis> I don’t have the necro 11:33 <@lapis> And don’t have her seal anyways 11:33 <@rikersan> ah 11:33 <@rikersan> don't worry about getting sickness res then 11:33 <@rikersan> I'd recommend wishing at least helping hand before you go tho 11:34 <@rikersan> curse resitance is super important and if you need a breather you can ward 11:34 <@lapis> I have an amulet vs curses 11:34 <@lapis> And can get intrinsic reflection from eden 11:34 <@lapis> Which would also give me branchport 11:34 <@rikersan> oh good yeah do that 11:34 <@rikersan> also, I just remember 11:34 <@rikersan> you do want orange DSM 11:34 <@rikersan> since that quest makes you hallu like crazy 11:35 <@lapis> It helps with Hallu? 11:35 <@lapis> Thought it was just sleep and free action 11:35 <@rikersan> nope all 3 11:36 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 11:36 <@lapis> And long term, still ODSM? 11:36 <@rikersan> probably 11:36 <@rikersan> again, free action is very important 11:36 <@lapis> Unless I’m lucky enough to find tiamat 11:37 <@lapis> Er, chromatic dragon 11:37 <@lapis> In nom 11:37 <@rikersan> since it's not like filth is only cast by elder brains it's cast by literally any priests on astral 11:37 <@rikersan> yea 11:37 <@rikersan> those don't give FA tho 11:37 <@rikersan> just fire/shock/cold/acid/stone/sickness/disint 11:37 <@lapis> Yeah but I don’t have any other solid energy resistances 11:37 <@rikersan> a 11:37 <@rikersan> ah 11:37 <@rikersan> that's easy tho, just read scroll of resis 11:37 <@lapis> The thing you mentioned with cerberus’ body did not seem to work 11:38 <@rikersan> oh really? hm 11:38 <@lapis> Unless you meant I was supposed to be level 14, not him 11:38 <@rikersan> no it's uniques 14+ 11:38 <@rikersan> @d?cerberus 11:38 Cerberus (d) | Lvl: 13 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 10 | Res: fire | Confers: fire | MR: 20 | Generates: unique | AC: 2 | Attacks: 3d6 bite physical, 3d6 bite physical, 3d6 bite physical | Alignment: 7 | Flags: carnivore, nopoly, infravisible 11:38 <@rikersan> well that explains that 11:38 <@rikersan> damnit chris 11:38 <@lapis> Lol 11:38 <@lapis> Is grue meat worth it 11:38 <@rikersan> uh idk 11:38 <@rikersan> don't know what he gives 11:39 <@rikersan> eat it probably tho 11:39 <@lapis> I tinned him to be safe but I don’t want to instadie or something 11:39 <@rikersan> oh you shouldn't 11:39 <@rikersan> I'll check tho 11:39 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG cerberus is only lvl 13 so you can't get perm fire resis from him, is that on purpose? if not, can he be upped a level? 11:39 Will do, @rikersan! 11:39 <@rikersan> he gives MR_POISON only 11:39 <@lapis> I do have few “ols I could use to test it 11:39 <@rikersan> so not really worth it 11:40 <@lapis> Yeah probably not 11:40 <@rikersan> ... you have pois resis right 11:40 <@rikersan> cuz like those are stinking clouds and will fuck you up 11:42 <@lapis> Yes I do lol 11:42 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42 <@lapis> Poison and sleep res 11:42 <@lapis> I’ve avoided telepathy and have like 6 tins of mind flatter meat 11:42 <@lapis> Flayer* 11:42 <@rikersan> cool 11:42 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 11:42 <@rikersan> you can take those post-quest for int i guess 11:43 <@lapis> I already spammed vain ability ampules 11:43 <@rikersan> oh true 11:46 vain ability: you act as if your ability scores are at their maximum, but they really aren't. 11:47 <@rikersan> kek 11:47 <@rikersan> so you'll be casting wiht int 18 but vulnerable to mind flayers at int 5? 11:47 <@rikersan> I like that 11:47 Yep, that sounds like me playing Nethack alright. 11:48 FIQHack YASI: lycanthropes, if they happen to come across any wolfsbane or holy water, will use them to cure themselves of lycanthropy, creating a random wandering human. 11:48 this does work but the AI doesn't do it 11:49 hi 11:49 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 11:49 aosdict: got your message. i havent pulled any updates for xnethack since before junethack ended 11:49 The AI probably shouldn't cure its lycanthropy, because the AI doesn't lose as many advantages with lycanthropy, as the player does. 11:49 jonadab: Messages from hothraxxa have been forwarded to you privately. 11:50 jonadab i think i owe you a hothraxxa save from fourk 11:50 K2: ok. 11:51 I could retrieve it now, will likely not be able to do much with it until tonight though. 11:51 i'll private msg you the link 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 7226 points, T:7450, killed by a soldier ant 12:00 jonadab just sent you a pvt msg with link to hothraxxa save 12:11 jonadab: indeed 12:21 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:22 [hdf-us] [slex] metzfan (Mon Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible the Rat King, on T:7144 12:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:28 -!- stenno is now known as Guest85895 12:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:33 -!- Guest85895 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:53 FIQhack updated (all servers) 12:55 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 12:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:01 -!- stenno_ has quit [Changing host] 13:01 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 13:01 -!- stenno_ is now known as stenno 13:24 why? 13:27 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 13:35 died to a bug 13:35 bad luck 13:36 purple L generated at castle 13:36 gotta love out-of-depth out-of-branch monsters generating 13:37 thanks mkclass 13:37 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:51474 13:37 very well thought out 13:37 but why fix, it can only destroy games randomly and random is good because roguelike, right??? 13:38 @v?master lich 13:38 master lich (L) | Lvl: 17 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep poison drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 90 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -4 | Attacks: 3d6 touch cold, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, undead, covetous 13:38 generates: gehennom 13:39 should be updated to generates: gehennom or maybe the castle because lul randomzzzz 13:39 i wrote in my mkclass spoiler that if anyone would implement something like a gnome emperor, it would immediately break mines completely 13:42 * K2 starts work on a gnome emperor 13:43 somehow I can't visualize gnomes forming empires 13:43 if there's a gnome king, there could also be a gnome emperor imo 13:45 or a gnome ultra mega emperor (3rd class) 13:45 K2: make sure to make it covetouus and give it 10d4 weapon physical 13:45 :P 13:45 K2: I feel like that was a reference that I didn't get 13:45 PavelB: perhaps 13:46 ;) 13:46 dammit 13:46 yamato-class emperor gnome 13:48 seriously what's the reference 13:49 hitchhikes guide to the galaxy 13:49 roundabout 13:49 i was referring to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-class_battleship 13:50 the problem with minesflayers is that either the devteam doesn't realize that this can happen, and that castle purple L is a huge problem too OR they are ignoring it and not considering it a bug 13:52 Damn, it's been so long since I'd read that 13:52 If I can't even get HGttG references I need to fix that ASAP 13:53 <@Dracunos> Yeah you better watch that great movie 13:55 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55 no not the movie 13:55 read the books 13:55 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 13:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 13:56 <@lapis> Just do both 13:56 <@lapis> They’re both good 13:56 <@lapis> I’m not a big fan of mostly harmless 13:57 <@Dracunos> The book was at least two point three times as good 13:57 <@Dracunos> As the game 13:57 There's a *game*? 13:57 <@Dracunos> But the movie was 4.4 times better 13:57 <@lapis> Yeah, an old Sierra style adventure game 13:57 <@Dracunos> There an amazing classic game 13:58 <@Dracunos> Just never spoiler yourself when you play it no matter what 13:58 <@lapis> Wasn’t it made by Sierra actually? 13:58 I have my copies of the books in the basement somewhere... 13:58 <@Dracunos> You can play it online on the bbc web site 13:58 Haven't watched the movies though 13:58 <@Dracunos> With some graphics and stuff to go along with it 13:58 <@lapis> Only one movie, unfortunately 13:59 the best hhgttg is the original source: the bbc radio series 13:59 <@lapis> It’s not perfect but it’s pretty good 13:59 <@lapis> Alan rickman as Marvin is perfect tho 14:00 <@Dracunos> http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/interactive/embed/container.html?url=//downloads.bbc.co.uk/interactive/h2g2/main.js&height=577px&width=944px&path=//downloads.bbc.co.uk/radio/games/h2g2/ 14:00 <@Tone> Mines flayers aren't terrible because they are generally avoidable 14:00 i didnt like the movie 14:00 <@Tone> Purple Ls at the castle are pretty awful 14:00 tried to combine the first 4 books into an hour and a half film 14:00 Oh yeah I could probably listen to the radio series while playing nethack 14:00 bleh 14:00 IDK why but I can only listen to podcasts or audiobooks or whatever while playing nethack 14:00 Just listening by itself makes me get really fidgety and any other activity either distracts me from listening or I get distracted from by the audio 14:01 <@Tone> They immediate teleport to you and you're probably screwed if you don't have MR and aren't reasonably strong 14:01 <@lapis> What k2? It was just the first book 14:01 <@Dracunos> Wait so just entering the castle without mr you might instantly get killed? 14:02 Apparantly there was also a TV series: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy_(TV_series) 14:03 <@Dracunos> What if you go downstairs while blind so you can instantly return in case of L 14:03 <@Tone> @Dracunos It's a possibility, yeah 14:04 <@Tone> Yeah it usually takes them a few turns to teleport to you 14:04 @Tone note that purple L at the castle is the same mechanism than minesflayer 14:04 so its arguably a bug 14:04 i consider it a bug at least 14:04 <@Dracunos> It's not a bug until it kills me 14:04 <@Tone> ah because it's just a random L 14:05 for purple L its even a bit more strange because those are usually only generated in gehennom, unlike mf/mmf 14:05 yep 14:05 so mkclass neither gives a fuck about depth nor about hell generation flags 14:05 because when its called it only checks if the monster has been genocided yet 14:07 and also you are a much higher level at the castle so its much more likely that purple L might generate 14:07 should do a calculation of how likely purple L is at castle with DL:25 XL:10 14:08 i will include that calculation in my spoiler, thats a good idea 14:08 <@Tone> I wouldn't be surprised if mines flayers were a bug turned "feature" 14:08 from my experience it should be about 1/4 or 1/5 14:09 yeah but its really dumb 14:09 <@Tone> Purple L are just awful though 14:09 <@Tone> And yeah mines flayers are still silly 14:09

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