00:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:63420
00:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:63422
00:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64822
00:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:65147
00:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65148
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00:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:65377
00:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) stole 25 zorkmids of merchandise from the rare instruments of George on T:72087
00:45 <bug_sniper> !lotg dracunos
00:45 <Beholder> May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, dracunos!
00:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) stole 310 zorkmids of merchandise from the pet store of Wonotobo on T:72113
00:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:65424
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00:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:65472
00:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:65486
01:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "wand of wishing", on T:65506
01:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2044992 points, T:65508, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dracunos/nh361/dumplog/1527900930.nh361.txt
01:07 <Dracunos> my first two ascensions today! this is my first online one :D
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02:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Center of All, on T:20281
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03:40 <Mandevil> !tell LarienTelrunya https://em.slashem.me/slashem/games/dnhslex/xlogfiles --> 404 Not Found
03:40 <Beholder> Will do, Mandevil!
04:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Executioner, on T:76327
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04:48 <Tangles> ...while sleeping for a thousand turns apparently.
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05:35 <Mandevil> Tangles: How did you sleep thousand turns?
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10:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] oh6 (Mon Hlf Fem Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:51765
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11:31 <oh6> has Master Kaen been toned down in dnethack?  I wasn't even close to dying most of the time.
11:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 41008 points, T:3671, zombified by an orc zombie
11:32 <[Demo][srn]1> probably not? you are probably just much stronger lol
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11:36 <oh6> yeah, I just compared the sources, and it seems like I was just better prepared
11:37 <[Demo][srn]1> i might buff a bunch of quest leaders in ndnh
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11:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] oh6 (Mon Hlf Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:53410
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12:28 <rikersan> !who
12:28 <Beholder> rikersan: [hdf-us] krm26 [fh] knavery [nh361] picaresquieu [un] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361]
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12:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Mal Cha) averted death, on T:24566
12:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12693
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13:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:24801
13:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:25600
13:17 <[Demo][srn]1> whaxus
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13:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 49441 points, T:22005, killed by a death ray
13:24 <[Demo][srn]1> die thug
13:26 <LarienTelrunya> monsters with wands of death seem to be quite a bit more accurate that Rowling's weird "death eaters" who are really imperial stormtroopers in disguise :P
13:26 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: Message from Mandevil at 2018-07-14 03:40 EDT: https://em.slashem.me/slashem/games/dnhslex/xlogfiles --> 404 Not Found
13:26 <LarienTelrunya> Mandevil: I've notified Elronnd; hopefully he can figure out the true path of the xlogfile
13:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:12936
13:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 853 points, T:1460, killed by an invisible titan
13:44 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: hmm, does a death eater *ever* hit someone with a killing curse at a non-plot-critical moment?
13:45 <LarienTelrunya> not sure, but when do they ever appear in a non-plot-critical moment in the first place?
13:53 <aosdict> depends on how much you want to stretch the definition of plot criticalness I guess
14:01 <LarienTelrunya> !tell Mandevil okay it should work now: em.slashem.me/xlogfiles/dnhslex is the xlogfile :)
14:01 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
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14:22 <greqrg> Hi #hardfought, I'll be reviewing Maud's speed ascension tactics on my stream, here's a link if anyone is into that sort of thing  :)
14:22 <greqrg> https://www.twitch.tv/tonelive
14:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:78400
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14:31 <LarienTelrunya> greqrg: review of Tariru's slexcensions when :D if you do one of those, I'd watch
14:32 <greqrg> I've had a few people request that, although mostly in jest I think :)
14:32 <deadnoob> stop interrupting the stream i'm tryna learn D:
14:33 <greqrg> At some point when I get into slex I'll definitely look at some of his games
14:33 <LarienTelrunya> well I hereby request it in earnest :P
14:34 <LarienTelrunya> (yes I know the :P makes it sound as if I was also joking, but I'd really like to see the analysis of Tariru's run)
14:35 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: why don't *you* do a livestream analysis of it?
14:35 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: no time, I have to develop a new slex version
14:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:78764
14:35 <LarienTelrunya> it's already two weeks past junethack and I've still not finished making it :(
14:35 <aosdict> yeah but greqrg is likely not to have the information at hand to explain why Tariru was doing things a certain way
14:37 <ais523> it's slex, if you needed /reasons/ the development would never get anywhere :-D
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14:40 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm i kinda wanna play pokeman
14:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 61 arrows on an altar, on T:3382
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14:54 <Lymia> Pokemon is fun.
14:54 <Lymia> Especially the part where you beat up little kids online.
14:54 * Lymia nods
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14:55 * aosdict wonders if any well-known pokemon messages would work as engravings or fortunes or similar things in nethack
14:57 <ais523> the only frequent/common message that's well-known enough to have reached meme status is probably "It's super effective!"
14:57 <LarienTelrunya> Pokemon Vietnamese Crystal has tons of meme messages :D
14:57 <ais523> "Gotta catch 'em all" is something of a meme but it hardly appears in the series at all (mostly just on box art), as it was invented by the English localisers and isn't present in the original Japanese versions
14:59 <aosdict> ais523: YANI: give "You hit the foo! It's super effective!" for a) when hallucinating and you fulfill whatever criteria are required to get an ! on the hit message, or b) you use a type-appropriate attack like hitting an ice devil with fire
14:59 <ais523> it would have to hit a type weakness
14:59 <aosdict> yes, that
14:59 <ais523> although those are very simple in NetHack: things that are fire-resistant and not cold-resistant are cold-vulnerable, and vice versa
14:59 <ais523> does silver versus demon count?
14:59 <aosdict> probably
15:00 <aosdict> though that has its own message already
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15:01 <[Demo][srn]1> i thought about making ndnh salamanders cold vulnerable
15:01 <ais523> the thing about Pokémon type matchups is that the message for hitting a type weakness is by far the most common you see, because it's very rare to intentionally use an attack the target is resistant or immune to
15:02 <Lymia> For competitive players
15:02 <Lymia> I'm sure stealth rock related messages are very familiar
15:02 <Lymia> For something more indirect.
15:03 <ais523> "Pointed rocks dig in to %s!"
15:03 <ais523> familiar enough to have it memorised ;-)
15:03 <ais523> even though I mostly played doubles
15:05 <Lymia> YANI: Trick Room trap.
15:05 <Lymia> (Or is that an EPI?)
15:07 <ais523> ooh, Trick Room in NetHack
15:07 <ais523> I think it'd be better as a continuous area in the game (probably a literal room)
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15:07 <ais523> the formula should be, what, dividing speed into 144 for things within it at the turn boundary update?
15:08 <Lymia> A special room would make it a bit weird.
15:09 <Lymia> Presumably it'd be filled with nasty but slow monsters... that aren't threatening because you fight in the hallway right outside the room.
15:10 <ais523> I think it'd be more interesting to generate them at random without mentioning the effect
15:10 <ais523> but when a lichen randomly wanders in when you're there, you'd figure it out
15:10 <Lymia> With a message?
15:10 <Lymia> Or just... there.
15:12 <ais523> if you added a message you'd basically have someting like ADOM's special room system
15:16 <Lymia> It seems like the kind of thing where newbies would have no idea what's going on.
15:16 <ais523> perhaps it'd work as a branch
15:17 <Lymia> Until it kills them horribly when a lichen mauls them.
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15:17 <ais523> lichens don't actually have a damaging attack
15:17 <Lymia> A newt? :P
15:17 <ais523> those aren't that slow, are they?
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15:17 <ais523> @v? newt
15:17 <Beholder> newt (:) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Attacks: 1d2 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious
15:17 <Lymia> Speed 6
15:17 <ais523> a speed 24 newt would still be entirely manageable
15:17 <Lymia> I guess it depends on the math
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15:18 <ais523> oh no, now I'm facing two 1d2 bite physical attacks per turn!
15:18 <Lymia> 1/(x/12)
15:18 <Lymia> ?
15:18 <[Demo][srn]1> why are they so slow?
15:18 <ais523> Lymia: 144/speed was my idea
15:18 <ais523> [Demo][srn]1: newts? probably an estimate of how fast they move in real life
15:19 <Lymia> How many moves a turn is 144 speed?
15:19 <ais523> Lymia: 12
15:20 <ais523> but the idea is that speed 12 becomes speed 12, speed 6 becomes speed 24, and so on
15:20 <ais523> if you normally move once per twelve turns, now you move twelve times per one turn
15:20 <ais523> but few monsters are that slow and they tend not to have damaging attacks
15:20 <Lymia> Also, won't the player (probably) be slower than 12 in that room?
15:20 <Lymia> Speed boots and/or instrinsic speed.
15:21 <Lymia> @v? glass piercer
15:21 <Beholder> glass piercer (p) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 1 | Res: acid | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, clings
15:21 <Lymia> Most likely to wreck you. :D
15:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3768
15:22 <aosdict> ais523: and what happens when a sessile monster spawns there? infinite speed?
15:22 <Lymia> Set their speed to 288 clearly :P
15:22 <ais523> aosdict: it still doesn't move; sessile monsters can't move even if given movement points somehow
15:22 <ais523> "You wobble in place."
15:22 <Lymia> They can attack if you stand next to them, right?
15:23 <ais523> (this is similar to what happens if something with Truant ends up in a Trick Room in Pokémon)
15:23 <ais523> Lymia: no
15:23 <ais523> their AI never runs at all
15:23 <Lymia> OR do they not have attacks
15:23 <Lymia> ah
15:23 <Lymia> @le?batman plant
15:23 <Beholder> batman plant (%) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 8 | Attacks: 2d6 bite venomous | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, stalker
15:23 <Lymia> @v? lichen
15:23 <Beholder> lichen (F) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 1 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Attacks: 0d0 touch sticky | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, vegan
15:23 <Lymia> idk how slex sets up immobile monsters with speeds
15:23 <ais523> quivering blobs and piercers seem like the only dangerous speed 1 monsters
15:23 <Lymia> @v? oracle
15:23 <Beholder> Oracle (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 0 | Res: magic | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 0d4 passive magic missile | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible
15:24 <LarienTelrunya> Lymia: monmove.c
15:24 <ais523> oh, gray ooze, too
15:24 <LarienTelrunya> also the M3_NONMOVING flag, which allows the monster to act but not move
15:24 <ais523> 24d8 per round seems nasty
15:24 <ais523> a fog cloud's engulf 12d6 could also hurt somewhat but lategame I think it'd be survivable
15:25 <ais523> a manes would do 4d3+4d3+4d4, which would make a swarm of them ridiculous
15:25 <Adeon> I once lost a streak in devnull by being killed by two newts on D:1
15:25 <Lymia> Wouldn't the player speed also be 7ish or 9ish?
15:25 <Lymia> (Due to them usually having instrinsic speed or boots)
15:26 <ais523> huh, so a lemure is like a manes only a) slightly more max HP, b) considerably less damage, c) does not spawn in groups
15:26 <ais523> thus it should be much /weaker/, but it spawns deeper and manes can grow up into them
15:26 <ais523> that seems like a bug
15:27 <ais523> Lymia: if you're sensible you'd unequip your +speed items and zap yourself with slow monster
15:27 <Lymia> If you have forewarning, at least :D
15:28 <Lymia> Which you do if it's a branch, I suppose.
15:28 <hothraxxa> i just looked in and do not know which variant you are discussing. please tell me so that i can permanently avoid it
15:28 <ais523> right, that's why I'm thinking this would make for an interesting branch
15:28 <ais523> hothraxxa: this is a hypothetical YANI, we're discussing the implications of something that reverses the normal speed relationship
15:28 <ais523> it's not in any variant
15:28 <hothraxxa> i gathered that, but for which variant?
15:29 <ais523> YANIs aren't necessarily aimed at variants
15:29 <aosdict> none I think
15:29 <ais523> they'ree just ideas
15:29 <hothraxxa> nm. let me put it this way: i think that sucks and would never play it
15:29 <hothraxxa> where's the joy in that except for the sadistic developer?
15:29 <hothraxxa> are you all trying to be amy now?
15:30 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: Probably what I would do with a ground up redesign is to try to disentangle movement speed and action speed entirely, but no idea how I would do that
15:30 <Lymia> Is there a framework for actions taking different amounts of time?
15:30 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: yeah; Castle of the Winds has such a system, where one speed is for movement and another is for everything (but that includes movement there)
15:30 <Lymia> You can simply move as if you had X speed and attack as if you have Y speed.
15:31 <ais523> Lymia: you can have split speeds in vanilla, the number of actions you get on one turn depends on what you were doing at the end of the previous turn
15:31 <ais523> or during the previou turn
15:31 <LarienTelrunya> also, isn't it already so that if you're riding, your movement speed is that of your steed and the action speed is your own speed?
15:31 <ais523> e.g. when riding, you act at the steed's speed on turn T if you moved on turn T-1
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15:32 <Lymia> huh
15:32 <Lymia> There's.. not actually good ways to slow the player.
15:32 <Lymia> Other than polyself I guess?
15:32 <ais523> a giant mimic would do 24d6 per round, that's less dangerous than a gray ooze
15:33 <ais523> presumably a gray ooze would be the final boss of the branch?
15:33 <ais523> Lymia: indeed; I think FIQhack might implement slowing players?
15:33 <hothraxxa> ir does
15:33 <hothraxxa> it
15:33 <hothraxxa> very annoying
15:33 <Lymia> oh
15:33 <Lymia> How's burdening work?
15:33 <hothraxxa> it's actually critical in the end game
15:34 <Lymia> Bring a loadstone into the branch.
15:34 <Lymia> (Or two, or three)
15:34 <LarienTelrunya> wand of uberslowmonster ftw :P
15:34 <ais523> Lymia: oh right, burden directly cuts speed
15:34 <ais523> so you could fight the gray ooze on reasonable terms by picking up a heavy corpse or something
15:35 <hothraxxa> insanity
15:35 <Lymia> Overtaxed players are speed... 48 in this branch?
15:35 <hothraxxa> would we have to stand on out heads then?
15:35 <hothraxxa> alright who's been fucking with my r and t keys?
15:36 <Lymia> A neat way to do it.
15:36 <Lymia> Is to spawn a few guarenteed loadstones on the first floor of the branch. Cursed ones.
15:36 <ais523> nah, really heavy items are really common in NetHack
15:36 <Lymia> "You can take these now, if you have remove curse"...
15:36 <ais523> especially if this is a branch off Gehennom, which is where I'd been imagining it
15:36 <ais523> you couldn't have something like this early in the game
15:38 <Lymia> In most variants, I guess, burdening actually makes it an interesting branch.
15:39 <ais523> because you can carry as much stuff as you need?
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15:40 <Lymia> And you need to in order to survive. (Because presumably the branch is full of effectively speed 144 nasties)
15:40 <hothraxxa> ah. you make it end in a portal to dl1, even if you carry the amulet
15:40 <hothraxxa> now it's interesting
15:40 <ais523> Lymia: no, those would be rare
15:40 <the_real_icebox> hey ma dudes, my game on hdf-us seems to have gotten confused. It says "you have a game in progress do you want to destroy it" when i try to continue
15:40 <the_real_icebox> discord IRC is down, so i came here in person ;)
15:41 <ais523> the_real_icebox: either you have a process still playing the game somewhere, or else your game processed crashed in such a way that it /looks/ like it's still ongoing
15:41 <the_real_icebox> yeah i exited and tried to re-enter the game really fast
15:41 <ais523> see if you can get K2 or someone to run a recover on your game, that should fix it (at the cost of confusing any game process that might still be running)
15:41 <the_real_icebox> so i'm positive it's not going on anywhere else
15:41 <hothraxxa> you need k2
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15:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Cthulhu, on T:79442
15:43 <the_real_icebox> !tell K2 if you get a moment the process for my game on hdf-us has gotten hung-up and thinks i'm still playing it. I'm assuming you'd know what to do?
15:43 <Beholder> Will do, the_real_icebox!
15:43 <ais523> hmm, I tried some searches about how quickly newts move, but couldn't find figures; there are a few pages where people ask and don't get a result
15:43 <ais523> it seems to be generally acknowledged that they're slow, though (without giving numbers)
15:43 <ais523> (this is talking about RL newts)
15:43 <hothraxxa> you van't tell from the source?
15:43 <ais523> also that they get tired quickly if they do try to move quickly, so can't keep up a fast movement
15:43 <hothraxxa> ok now my v key moced
15:43 <Lymia> ais523, would it be best if this branch was rather trivial if you knew what you were doing, then?
15:44 <Lymia> (For example, if you know about burdening, you're effectively speed 48)
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15:44 <hothraxxa> well i'm familiar with small lizards and they move quite fast
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15:44 <hothraxxa> geckos are wonderful little guys
15:44 <ais523> Lymia: probably best to design it so that it required different tactics/strategy from usual but wasn't that lethal
15:45 <ais523> one big thing I see is that with many monsters moving much faster than you, having effective ranged weapons and a long LOS would be important
15:45 <ais523> because you'd want to try to kill them / speed them before they could get into range
15:45 <[Demo][srn]1> fiqhack has very fast monsters
15:45 <[Demo][srn]1> it is very interesting actually
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15:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:79518
15:46 <Lymia> What about burdening? The player can become quite fast by burdening themselves (presumably)
15:46 <hothraxxa> small lizards can jump amazing distances and of course jumping is nearly instant. that's how real life works
15:46 <[Demo][srn]1> i call them rocket propelled [whatevers]
15:46 <hothraxxa> so a newt should get across the room in one turn
15:47 <hothraxxa> like line of site teleport
15:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] sonofmub (Pri Esp Mal Neu), 26370 points, T:7513, killed by a monster (Kop Kaptain)
15:49 <Lymia> The "smart" way to keep it balancable
15:49 <Lymia> Is probably to make it so that burdening still reduces final speed.
15:49 <Lymia> I guess.
15:49 <ais523> Pokémon has burdening items
15:50 <ais523> the Iron Ball, for example, which people sometimes use to make themselves slower = faster in Trick Room
15:50 <ais523> but the Lagging Tail, which makes you always go last, continues to do that in Trick Room
15:52 <ais523> hmm, Pokémon has other rooms too
15:52 <ais523> a Wonder Room wouldn't do much in NetHack, basically just swap half phys and half spell
15:52 <ais523> because few things in NetHack are particularly resistant to physical or magical attacks specifically
15:52 <ais523> a Magic Room, though…
15:52 <[Demo][srn]1> swap AC an MR for monsters
15:52 <Lymia> You could do it the other way around (cheating) and switch the effects of.. say, str and int?
15:53 <[Demo][srn]1> wait no
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15:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided arch-liches dungeon wide on T:79667
15:57 <[Demo][srn]1> dies liches
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16:33 <hothraxxa> https://store.steampowered.com/app/365450/Hacknet/
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16:34 <the_real_icebox> !tell Tangles Sorry for pinging you and K2, but i figure i'll see who gets on first. My 361 game on hdf-us needs to be recovered, i believe. It's giving me the "you have a game in progress message" and i'm certain i'm not logged in anywhere else. Thanks!
16:34 <Beholder> Will do, the_real_icebox!
16:35 <the_real_icebox> !tell Tangles username is IceBox, in case that wasn't clear :)
16:35 <Beholder> Will do, the_real_icebox!
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16:42 <[Demo][srn]1> a funny game with real fake x windows
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16:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:81599
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17:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:81907
17:15 <aosdict> hothraxxa: if I didn't run Linux, I'd be tempted to get that just to see how genuine the "real hacking based on actual UNIX commands" is
17:15 <hothraxxa> well it's free
17:15 <hothraxxa> no steam for linux i guess
17:16 <hothraxxa> wait a sec yes there is i think
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17:17 <hothraxxa> indeed there is
17:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:82127
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17:29 <aosdict> meh still not worth the trouble for a non-steam user like me
17:39 <[Demo][srn]1> for what it is they do a pretty ok job
17:40 <Lymia> It's.. strange.
17:40 <Lymia> Quite a bit of story, very good presentation, the logs do nothing
17:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 208 points, T:954, killed by a small mimic
18:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] Dracunos (dracunos) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 25264 points, T:1630, killed by a gnome king
18:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1496
18:17 <[Demo][srn]1> ow
18:19 <jilles> stupid, had wand of teleportation
18:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Mon Hum Mal Law), 9307 points, T:3307, killed by an ettin mummy
18:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 20653 points, T:14350, killed by a flesh golem
19:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2848 points, T:4048, killed by a giant beetle
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19:37 <aosdict> !tell AntiGulp What's your rationale for determining which commits go on which branches?
19:37 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
19:38 <aosdict> !tell AntiGulp what exactly does f455b62 have to do with monster intrinsics? also sorry for possible incoming message storm
19:38 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
19:43 <aosdict> !tell AntiGulp YANI for orbs of permafrost: they turn ROOM tiles in/around the explosion to ice.
19:43 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
20:03 <Lymia> Does ice affect monsters at all
20:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 28 points, T:53, killed by a fox
20:12 <aosdict> Not really, but it makes plenty of sense
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20:33 <Tangles> I wonder how I would go about telling "the_real_icebox" that I'm trying to recover their game, when they ask for help at 06:30 on a Sunday morning then disappear 20 minutes later...
20:33 <Beholder> Tangles: Message from the_real_icebox at 2018-07-14 16:34 EDT: Sorry for pinging you and K2, but i figure i'll see who gets on first. My 361 game on hdf-us needs to be recovered, i believe. It's giving me the "you have a game in progress message" and i'm certain i'm not logged in anywhere else. Thanks!
20:33 <Beholder> Tangles: Message from the_real_icebox at 2018-07-14 16:35 EDT: username is IceBox, in case that wasn't clear :)
20:34 <Tangles> It looks like there's a stale .0 file, that's making it think there's a game in progress, but there's no level files.
20:34 <aosdict> Tangles: you could ping @IceBox
20:35 <Tangles> the rld is down
20:35 <aosdict> oh
20:35 <[Demo][srn]1> yet another reason for me to use my custom shitty solution instead of rld
20:36 <Tangles> there's a backup save and an uncompressed save, and everything has the same timestamp... I guess I'll just clean up the .0 and restore the backup save.
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20:46 <Tangles> Ok that's recovered (to the backup save, but that should be current if IceBox really did just try to save/restore quickly)
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20:49 <rumflump> Tangles: rld is back up (i usually won't be around to help, but i happen to be today)
20:49 <rld> <@Tone> Speak of the devil
20:50 <rumflump> @IceBox 2033 <Tangles> I wonder how I would go about telling "the_real_icebox" that I'm trying to recover their game, when they ask for help at 06:30 on a Sunday morning then disappear 20 minutes later...
20:52 <rld> <@Tone> Thanks rumflump  :)
20:52 <rld> <@Tone> hope all is well
20:52 <rld> <@IceBox> haha thanks, i dont have a real account
20:53 <rld> <@IceBox> sorry Tangles
20:53 <rld> <@IceBox> and to be fair it was 2 p.m. on a saturday for me 😉
20:59 <rumflump> @Tone hotel internet ftw
21:00 <rumflump> i think the 20 minutes was the bigger problem, than the o-clock 😉
21:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:4662
21:01 <rumflump> so rld|IRCbot is still on ubuntu 16.04
21:01 <rumflump> or rather @mtf's server is
21:01 <rumflump> should i update it to 18.04 y/n?
21:01 <rumflump> bot'll probably go down, so maybe at a different o-clock
21:02 <rld> <@Tone> Yeah probably just let him know so he can figure out if he wants to update it and when
21:02 <rld> <@Tone> Which I guess you just did 😄
21:03 <rumflump> i did awhile back but then i disappeared from the internet!
21:04 <rumflump> have you ever used mixxx or other dj software tone?
21:04 <rld> <@Tone> Nope
21:04 <rumflump> it's really easy to ensure two tracks are always playing (and that they're beatmatched!) so it might be a good way to avoid twitch's annoying muting when you'
21:04 <rumflump> re listening to copyright music
21:05 <rumflump> i wonder what my twitch login was
21:05 <rumflump> or if i'll ever have good internet again
21:06 <rumflump> do you still get muted randomly?
21:08 <rld> <@Tone> Not really
21:08 <rld> <@Tone> Well not when I stream things that I don't want muted
21:09 <rld> <@Tone> I've been using one of those lo-fi beats streams that are on youtube so they are almost entirely royalty-free
21:10 <rld> <@Tone> So that's basically all my nethack stuff because most of it goes on youtube
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21:17 <rumflump> oh yeah, i remember the lofi beats
21:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:84611
21:17 <rumflump> those is nice
21:21 <rld> <@Tone> yeah it works really well for background music anyways
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21:48 <picaresquieu> About to enter the Elemental Planes, first time ever
21:49 <picaresquieu> (unnethack)
21:49 <rld> <@Tone> Good luck!!
21:49 <picaresquieu> If i can find a quiet place to review my spellbooks >:(
22:00 <rld> <@luxidream> no quiet places on the planes
22:00 <rld> <@luxidream> maybe earth plane
22:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:85637
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22:15 <Tangles> Hey @IceBox was that recovery ok for you? There was another save that might've been newer but I was not sure if it was in a good state.
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22:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:86067
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22:33 <rld> <@Dracunos> genocide ; in the water plane, it's pretty quiet there :p
22:36 <[Demo][srn]1> you cant throw spells there
22:36 <[Demo][srn]1> its very sad and mean
22:36 <[Demo][srn]1> if i had to guess id say its a bad hack to prevent some issue that would somehow be caused by bubbles
22:36 <[Demo][srn]1> the plane of water is a bad hack
22:40 <picaresquieu> I went through the first three fine but now I'm on Fire and these archons are pissing me off
22:41 <picaresquieu> There's nowhere to not get surrounded by their endless monsters
22:41 <rld> <@IceBox> Tangles: sorry we keep missing each other. Tried to load up the game and it brought straight back to the menu on the first attempt, then when i tried to load again it gave the "game in progress" business
22:42 <picaresquieu> If i didn't have Magicbane sucking up all these curses I'd have never got this far
22:43 <rld> <@IceBox> Tangles: looks like you were recovering the correct game though since something happened. For reference i JUST got a full inventory ID in the jewelry shop. That was literally the last turn i took before save/quit. I know this because i use curses and i've been turning perm_invent off and on as a workaround to a full inventory id bug
22:51 <rld> <@Dracunos> picares, do you have conflict at least?
22:57 <[Demo][srn]1> how are there so many archons?
22:57 <[Demo][srn]1> i see ... 9/
22:59 <picaresquieu> Yeah conflict is getting the job done... Slowly but surely
22:59 <[Demo][srn]1> you didnt bring any portal detection?
23:00 <picaresquieu> I seriously overestimated the amount of food I'd need... I packed like 40 C- and K-rations and have eaten like one
23:00 <rld> <@Dracunos> FORTY?! :D
23:01 <picaresquieu> I have Detect Unseen at 6%, should be plenty... I may have had a spellbook that i neglected to grab, so i brought a blank and my magic markers
23:02 <picaresquieu> Not sure whether that'll pan out but hopefully I'll just find the damm portal first
23:02 <[Demo][srn]1> no gold detection/
23:02 <picaresquieu> Yeah i have 2 scrolls of gold detection as well
23:03 <[Demo][srn]1> confused gold detection it up
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23:05 <Pinkbeast> Never bring C-rations.
23:06 <picaresquieu> This archon is attacking me with a cockatrice corpse
23:07 <picaresquieu> I hope that's something that's only implemented in this variant, where chromatic DSM is available
23:09 <[Demo][srn]1> wait right un is weird yeah yeah doesnt the ingredients for confused gold detection be different in a way
23:10 <[Demo][srn]1> think it must be cursed and you must be confused
23:11 <picaresquieu> I dunno
23:11 <rld> <@Dracunos> How did you have the weight capacity for forty of them though
23:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] oh6 (Mon Hlf Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:54527
23:12 <picaresquieu> Archons are not genocidable.  What the hell did i save these scrolls for
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23:12 <picaresquieu> Oh I'm walking around encumbered like an idiot
23:12 <rld> <@Dracunos> ;?
23:13 <rld> <@Dracunos> what does summon insects summon if you geno a?
23:14 <[Demo][srn]1> geno mean flayers
23:16 <Grasshopper> snakes iirc
23:17 <[Demo][srn]1> god i hate archon summon swarm fire so much it sucks to see it happening
23:18 <picaresquieu> Okay I'm getting seriously aggravated
23:19 <picaresquieu> Years of playing this busted game and i thought I was gonna get some closure tonight
23:19 <picaresquieu> Instead I've been hammering the spacebar for an hour straight
23:19 <picaresquieu> Monsters seven deep on every side
23:21 <[Demo][srn]1> not sure why summon swarming is a thing
23:21 <aosdict> yeah that is a Problem that I don't think any variants really address
23:21 <[Demo][srn]1> really shouldnt be
23:21 <[Demo][srn]1> fh kinda does i think?
23:21 <[Demo][srn]1> summons are temporary
23:21 <[Demo][srn]1> ndnh is gonna do something similar i think
23:21 <aosdict> [Demo][srn]1: I doubt it's a conscious addition to the game
23:21 <[Demo][srn]1> right it should have been patched versions ago
23:22 <aosdict> just, lack of any real limits on summoning monsters that ever got implemented
23:22 <[Demo][srn]1> just not sure why it hasnt been addressed by DT
23:22 <picaresquieu> Summons aren't temporary though
23:23 <[Demo][srn]1> in fiqhack they are
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23:23 <picaresquieu> The monsters don't vanish on their own
23:23 <picaresquieu> Ah
23:23 <[Demo][srn]1> aosdict said noone has fixed it in any variant he thought
23:23 <[Demo][srn]1> but no fiqhack made it worse
23:23 <[Demo][srn]1> and then finally that was enough to get a fix for it
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23:23 <aosdict> Does dnethack cap overall summoning/number of monsters level-wide?
23:23 <[Demo][srn]1> no but ive never been summon swarmed for different reasons
23:24 <[Demo][srn]1> for example, archons arent a thing like they are in vanilla instead there are types
23:24 <[Demo][srn]1> throne archons are the same as vanilla i think
23:24 <[Demo][srn]1> but they can range casted a number of different spells
23:24 <[Demo][srn]1> and they arent nasty
23:25 <[Demo][srn]1> where dnh sees issues is where spawn of monsters allows for a small enough pool, all of which the most common get the defensive item roll
23:25 <[Demo][srn]1> so you can have a really bad time with exploding cursed create monster scrolls
23:25 <aosdict> YANI: Summon nasties can _only_ summon monsters on squares adjacent to the target/player. If there's only one free square next to the player, too bad, you only get one nasty.
23:25 <[Demo][srn]1> that wouldnt be the worst fix
23:26 <aosdict> right, in vanilla cursed create monster chains usually only get to 2, max
23:27 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah some places in dnh 80% of what spawns gets the defensive item roll
23:27 <[Demo][srn]1> so that can be very very bad
23:27 <[Demo][srn]1> as happened to rikersan on ana quest
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23:27 <[Demo][srn]1> im sure the problem exists other places, need to check the special cases for spawn
23:28 <[Demo][srn]1> currently ndnh's solution has been preventing those areas monster spawns from getting that defensive item
23:28 <[Demo][srn]1> which isnt a good one
23:29 <[Demo][srn]1> oh wow, might actually be possible on chaosmlevel
23:35 <aosdict> !tell AntiGulp playtesting orb of permafrost... I can't seem to actually hit anything with it even with +127 ring of accuracy, and occasionally it fails to shatter when thrown at stuff (and falls to the floor and can be picked up). Is this intended to be a one-shot item?
23:35 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
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23:55 <picaresquieu> I'm about to quit
23:56 <picaresquieu> Don't know what i did to deserve this
23:56 <picaresquieu> Used one genocide scroll in t
23:56 <picaresquieu> Eurgh i hate this frickin IRC client too