00:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:38469 00:39 Gosh Anu, getting carried away there. You could just have a garage sale instead of giving me you crap 01:05 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 01:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:43 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:52 -!- stenno is now known as Guest28773 01:56 -!- Guest28773 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:22 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) stole 3145 zorkmids of merchandise from the liquor emporium of Hradec Kralove on T:29096 02:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helping hand", on T:21593 02:26 -!- bug_sniper__ has joined #hardfought 02:27 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 soulmirror", on T:21594 02:57 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 03:00 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 03:01 Evil Patch idea: give Rodney a couple of mind flayer tentacle attacks. 03:01 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:02 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:02 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 03:02 EPI for Nethack Fourk: hitting Rodney in melee generates a blood pudding, and he transforms into one when killed. 03:10 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:31521 03:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- stenno is now known as Guest96838 04:17 -!- bug_sniper__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:23 -!- Guest96838 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:28 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 04:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 04:31 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:57 -!- irina|lo1 is now known as irina|log 04:57 -!- irina|log is now known as Guest35671 04:57 -!- Guest35671 is now known as irina|et 04:58 -!- irina|et is now known as irina|log 04:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v irina|log] by ChanServ 05:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:40753 05:50 grr orctown 06:07 got killed by a shaman with a headache spell 06:11 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:37238 06:20 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:21 -!- stenno is now known as Guest29246 06:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:25 -!- Guest29246 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:27 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 06:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:71227 07:07 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Wonotobo on T:38328 07:09 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Upernavik on T:38391 07:17 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Eed-morra on T:38579 07:58 LarienTelrunya: Why don't I just give Rodney a "summon blood puddings" attack? And add a dozen blood puddings to the Sanctum? 07:59 jonadab: that would work too I guess ;) 08:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:21 -!- stenno is now known as Guest63269 08:25 -!- Guest63269 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:45 <[Demo][srn]1> Why do so many maps work as both castle levels and ludios levels? 09:12 <[Demo][srn]1> wonder if ludios is used as a castle level in any variants 09:24 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 09:27 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 09:30 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:38 -!- bug_sniper__ has joined #hardfought 09:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:43 -!- stenno is now known as Guest97095 09:47 -!- Guest97095 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05 <[Demo][srn]1> dammit i wanna do random stairs not relative to the last defined map 10:10 <[Demo][srn]1> nevermind i give up on that dream 10:28 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 73439 points, T:14466, killed by a giant spider 10:46 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:42673 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42675 11:15 epi: ambust ghosts that turn into 8 regular ghosts surrounding you when they touch you 11:17 EPI: ambust puddings that turn into 8 blood puddings surrounding you when they touch you. 11:18 <[Demo][srn]1> u mean any pudding? 11:19 <[Demo][srn]1> also jonadab look what awful thing i did to ur map https://i.imgur.com/o44v1FN.png 11:19 Replaced the water with lava? 11:21 <[Demo][srn]1> and am using it for an efreeti sultan's palace 11:21 Ah. 11:21 <[Demo][srn]1> cause ur like the only one ive ever seen with any sort of antique middle easterny map 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) became Camaxtli's Envoy of Balance, on T:43642 11:32 ??blood pudding 11:32 <[Demo][srn]1> fourk slex tier monster 11:32 <[Demo][srn]1> in that its totally unfair and makes no sense 11:33 Honestly, I think it's more fair than deep ettins. 11:33 But it gets more complaints, no question about that. 11:33 <[Demo][srn]1> ok it actually isnt slex tier in that you can read the name and figure out what it is 11:33 <[Demo][srn]1> how early do deep ettins spawn? 11:33 <[Demo][srn]1> from kicking a sink on dlvl 2? 11:33 Somewhere around castle depth? 11:33 <[Demo][srn]1> then theres a reason u dont get complaints about them 11:34 <[Demo][srn]1> cause everyone already died to a blood pudding :P 11:34 I never have. 11:34 They don't happen if you don't split puddings :-) 11:34 <[Demo][srn]1> blood puddings are really not that bad 11:34 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah 11:34 <[Demo][srn]1> idk i guess they are like grunthack gelatinus cube 11:34 But they tend to catch players who aren't expecting them off guard. 11:34 <[Demo][srn]1> in that you have to know that youre gonna get fucked if you do a certain thing or youre fucked 11:35 <[Demo][srn]1> which is why bitching about blood puddings is a good thing 11:35 <[Demo][srn]1> cause it keeps people from having that really bad first experience 11:35 <[Demo][srn]1> cause they already know to not split puddings 11:35 <[Demo][srn]1> so yeah theyre like the worrst thing in the world and will kill you and you cant outrun them and basically if you split a pudding you die 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:44405 11:39 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm i thought i was pretty much done with this new quest but it turns out i forgot the artifact 11:41 ?s@blood pudding 11:41 @f?blood pudding 11:41 @fh?blood pudding 11:41 @le?blood pudding 11:41 blood pudding (P) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 32 | Spd: 16 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification drain | Confers: cold shock poison | MR: 75 | Generates: special | AC: -10 | Attacks: 3d8 bite level drain, 0d0 passive level drain | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, regenerates, nopoly, undead, vegetarian 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:44433 11:42 is it the same blood pudding? 11:42 it's high level and fast, that's for sure, looks a little bit dangerous if you don't have elbereth 11:43 jonadab, do blood puddings respect elbereth? 11:44 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:44478 11:44 -!- stenno is now known as Guest3868 11:45 <[Demo][srn]1> yes they dp 11:45 <[Demo][srn]1> its dangerous as hell even with elbereth 11:46 <[Demo][srn]1> cause what are you gonna do, melee it on an e square? 11:46 <[Demo][srn]1> nice joke 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:44514 11:47 yes, with an artifact weapon 11:47 or use magic 11:47 burn elbereth 11:48 -!- Guest3868 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44575 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44578 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:44597 11:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:01 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm i broke hunger 12:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] oh6 (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:23685 12:12 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 12:23 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Tou Hum Mal Cha), 112283 points, T:36938, killed by a shower of rocks 12:29 bug_sniper__: Yes. 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4292 12:36 -!- bug_sniper__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38 <[Demo][srn]1> a show or rocks 12:38 <[Demo][srn]1> wow 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) wished for "the blessed greased fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:48828 12:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03 <[Demo][srn]1> so apparently dispater's level in dnh is actually like the best of all time 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:49699 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:49700 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:49774 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:50156 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:50166 13:20 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 13:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 13:20 <[Demo][srn]1> wow a stupid unforseen segfault 13:22 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:28 man i will die 13:29 lol 13:29 ahhh man if only had a tonal 13:29 also that took ~25 minutes to the castle 13:31 <@Tone> Did you get a wand of wishing? 13:31 nah 13:32 one lamp wish, one fountain wish 13:32 pretty bad loot on the dfv though 13:36 -!- stenno_ has quit [Changing host] 13:36 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 13:36 -!- stenno_ is now known as stenno 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:52849 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:52850 14:05 comr was a crappy wish 14:06 should've gone =oConflict i think 14:06 <[Demo][srn]1> comr of conflict 14:06 <@Tone> Is that a thing in grunt? 14:06 no 14:07 <@Tone> Didn't think so but I've seen some crazy wishes 14:07 <@Tone> Conflict for castle? 14:07 ring of conflict and reflection might work 14:07 yeah for castle 14:07 <@Tone> What's your hp/ac and everything been like when you've been getting there? 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:53462 14:08 70HP, and ~ -7AC when i get sdsm, 0 to -4 otherwise 14:08 should maybe go dwarf for full easymode 14:09 i think they have better maxhp gain 14:09 <@Tone> Yeah, especially if you roll 20 con 14:09 right 14:10 <@Tone> Would be nice if you could do the quest on the way down 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 2737236 points, T:53481, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hypnotist/nh361/dumplog/1531105176.nh361.txt 14:10 <@Tone> You'd never have the levels though 14:10 <@Tone> grats nooodle 😄 14:10 <3 ty 14:10 grats 14:10 !asc hypnotist 14:10 nooodle: [hdf-us] hypnotist has ascended 20 times in 47 games (42.55%): nh361:20 (45.45%) 14:10 you are ascending a lot lately 14:10 thats an impressive ratio 14:11 i'm getting back to how good i was in earlier versions 14:11 * stenno gave up on that like 2 years ago :x 14:11 the ratio in the last 20 games is better, it would be cool to be able to show just recent ratio 14:11 the Golden Year 2013 wont come back 14:11 right 14:11 <@Tone> Did you take a break or has there been a learning curve for 36x? 14:12 <@Tone> !asc tonelive 14:12 @Tone: [hdf-us] tonelive has ascended 2 times in 2 games (100.00%): nh361:2 (100.00%) 14:12 @Tone: [hdf-eu] tonelive has ascended 1 times in 401 games (0.25%): nh343:1 (0.62%) 14:12 @Tone: [hdf-au] tonelive has not ascended in 118 games. 14:12 there's been a learning curve for 36x, plus I took a 4+ year break 14:13 now i'm just trying to take top z-score on the server for 3.6.1 14:14 <@Tone> Where is that ranking? 14:14 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/nh361-zscores/ 14:14 <@Tone> Thanks 😄 14:15 here is the z-score over all variants and servers https://scoreboard.xd.cm/zscore.all.html 14:15 man i was #4 at some point 14:16 nooodle: you can ask mandevil if he connects your accounts for the scoreboard 14:18 oh wow never saw that page 14:18 i'm okay with being ranked 209, i have no interest in any of the variants besides nethack master/stable 14:18 <@Tone> @jonathanhanes Have you seen your hdf z score? ^ 😄 14:19 nooodle: fair 14:19 <[Demo][srn]1> it always impresses me when ppl can like chain play nh 14:20 interesting, that site (scoreboard.xd.cm) counts conducts wrong. It counts "never engraved elbereth as 1 conduct when it should be zero) 14:20 oops, end-quote after 'elbereth' 14:22 why 0? 14:22 because it's a nonstandard mod that isn't present on other servers, which gives an advantage to playing on hardfought 14:23 i see 14:25 <@Tone> oh is it counting that for vanilla? 14:25 yes 14:26 i mean, not that the number of conducts really matters, or even that it's compared anywhere that i can see 14:26 yeah but thats a slight problem at least 14:26 oh wait, no, it is: https://scoreboard.xd.cm/conduct.nh.html -- here it has me with the people who got 10 conducts, but really i only got 9 14:26 whoa nice! 14:28 <[Demo][srn]1> hdf is chaotic 14:32 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:3755 14:45 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 14:45 there should be an achievement: "killed all demon lords" 14:48 <@IceBox> oo lets check out this sick ratio 14:48 <@IceBox> !asc Iceb 14:48 @IceBox: [hdf-us] No games for Iceb. 14:48 <@IceBox> haha 14:48 <@IceBox> !asc IceBox 14:48 @IceBox: [hdf-us] IceBox has ascended 3 times in 232 games (1.29%): nh361:2 (4.26%), fh:1 (5.00%) 14:49 Hmmm, it turns out to be locked. THUD! You hear a muffled shatter. You hear a muffled shatter. THUD! You hear a muffled shatter. THUD! You hear a muffled cracking. THUD! You hear a muffled cracking. 14:49 3 potions and 2 eggs 14:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:58 !asc stenno 14:58 stenno: [hdf-us] stenno has not ascended in 1 games. 14:58 stenno: [hdf-eu] stenno has ascended 2 times in 63 games (3.17%): xnh:2 (40.00%) 15:00 nao has 48 concurrent players right now wtf 15:02 <[Demo][srn]1> wow 15:02 <[Demo][srn]1> is now the time for automated giant farming? 15:06 <@Tone> Wow, that's impressive 15:06 54 now o_O 15:06 what is going on 15:07 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm 15:07 <[Demo][srn]1> well i got on cause u said there was a party 15:08 lol 15:08 <[Demo][srn]1> also in the mood to splat a tourist 15:08 <[Demo][srn]1> which are as i understand pretty nerfed? 15:09 no 'true' dagger multishot anymore iirc 15:09 also no elbereth 15:09 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah 15:10 <[Demo][srn]1> so basically get owned 15:10 <[Demo][srn]1> wait arent mulch rates lowered? 15:10 <[Demo][srn]1> i swear i saw ais talk about that 15:10 <@Tone> Were they? 15:11 <@Tone> Not in 361 afaik 15:11 <@Tone> May have happened in 360 15:11 <[Demo][srn]1> i think the formula was changed 15:11 mulch? 15:11 <[Demo][srn]1> and it is less likely or something idk 15:11 <[Demo][srn]1> projectiles going bye bye 15:11 aj 15:11 ah 15:11 <[Demo][srn]1> wait i cant do soko 15:12 <[Demo][srn]1> what am i supposed to do in 3.6.1 as a shitty role? 15:12 <[Demo][srn]1> die? 15:12 FeelsBadMan 15:12 yep 15:12 <[Demo][srn]1> nice 15:12 <[Demo][srn]1> so its minetown wish or DIE 15:12 <[Demo][srn]1> still a lot more fair than an impossible endgame 15:13 <@Tone> Throw more darts 😄 15:14 <[Demo][srn]1> they are gonna mulch 15:15 <[Demo][srn]1> and then when soldier ants come you die 15:15 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZir_JoUcAAg8zD.jpg 15:15 <@Tone> They usually last a while still 15:15 <[Demo][srn]1> that is good info 15:15 <[Demo][srn]1> cause i do wanna get skilled 15:16 <@Tone> Blessed +2 helps a lot 15:16 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm lit mines arent a thing :( 15:16 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:24 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 15:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Center of All, on T:24892 15:27 <@escargott'em> Worrying about not enough full healing yesterday, now I have a stack of 11 15:27 nice 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 636 points, T:2544, killed by a rabid rat 15:28 <@escargott'em> They are heavy as hell though, I think I should carry at most five, someone said? 15:28 <@rikersan> bless them 15:28 <@escargott'em> And just drink the rest? 15:28 <@rikersan> and hten quaff for +8 max hp 15:28 <@rikersan> bless if you can tho, it's +8 blessed and only +4 uncursed 15:29 <@escargott'em> I have plenty of hps, I feel like I should save at least a couple 15:29 have you ascended before? 15:29 <@escargott'em> No 15:30 ok 15:30 <@escargott'em> But I have two late game games going at once so hopefully I can ascend at least one of the two :p 15:31 good luck ^_^ 15:32 <[Demo][srn]1> yo rikersan dnh questioj 15:32 <@escargott'em> In just glad I got far enough to do cool stuff this time.. Saccing for gifts.. Got crowned.. Polypiled a bunch of times.. Used a ton of wishes 15:32 <[Demo][srn]1> did u know that the statues in dispater's lairs walls are tame? 15:33 <@escargott'em> Poly self.. On purpose for once :p 15:33 <[Demo][srn]1> why is slashem doppleganger unbalanced? 15:34 i think because of the techniques 15:34 It's got something really heavy in a pocket 15:34 <@escargott'em> Oh yeah, laid some eggs, raised some pets, that was cool too 15:34 nice 15:34 <[Demo][srn]1> because of liquid leap? 15:34 <[Demo][srn]1> lol 15:35 i thought that doppelganger could controlled polyself later 15:35 <[Demo][srn]1> thats not a technique 15:35 but then again i never played slash'em 15:35 w/e 15:35 <[Demo][srn]1> i wanna add doppleganger to ndnh 15:35 <[Demo][srn]1> because its fun in slashem 15:35 <[Demo][srn]1> but everything added to slashem is broken balance wise 15:35 <[Demo][srn]1> so i wanna add it in such a way that isnt 15:35 <[Demo][srn]1> but that might not be possible or fun 15:36 <[Demo][srn]1> so i might just try to do it a fun way 15:36 Everything added to NetHack is broken balance wise :-) 15:36 <[Demo][srn]1> im not gonna argue with that at all 15:36 <[Demo][srn]1> its all a big flaming mess 15:37 unnethack shows how a balanced nethack might look like 15:38 <[Demo][srn]1> no 15:38 or a more balanced, at least 15:38 yes 15:38 <[Demo][srn]1> maybe 15:38 <[Demo][srn]1> yes because aphrodite's lair isnt ridiculous 15:39 <[Demo][srn]1> if [fill in any variant you wanna hate on] taught us one thing, a balanced nethack isnt necessarily a fun nethack 15:39 <[Demo][srn]1> im leaning towards spork today 15:40 <@escargott'em> When it says I have 51 items in my bag, is that actual count or number of stacks 15:40 <[Demo][srn]1> number of stacks 15:41 <[Demo][srn]1> i wonder if i can get mstsc to run in wine and i wonder how i get distracted so quickly because i wanna do this but i wanna go back to thinking about what now 15:42 if you wanna hate unnethack because of its balancing, don't diss beautiful Aphrodite, rather use the chromatic dragon armor or vorpal jabberwocks :-) 15:42 disintegrators are no more, unfortunately 15:43 chromatic dragon armor isn't that op IMO given how hard dragons are in un 15:43 <[Demo][srn]1> dnh does a really good job of being unbalanced 15:43 <[Demo][srn]1> which makes it a good clear model for what that looks like 15:44 dnh is pleasantly unbalanced 15:44 <[Demo][srn]1> right 15:44 sl[ex] is unpleasantly unbalanced 15:44 slash'em is just random shit 15:44 <[Demo][srn]1> slex is a monument to insanity 15:44 <[Demo][srn]1> slashem is pretty fun 15:44 slex is random shit on top of random shit 15:44 <[Demo][srn]1> i actually ascended slashem before i did nethack 15:47 <[Demo][srn]1> but it was more of a matter of confidence thing for me 15:47 which is either an amazing feat or trivial 15:47 <[Demo][srn]1> couldnt ever break out of altar scumming phase because i didnt want to risk dying and losing all my prgoress 15:47 <[Demo][srn]1> slashem you can feel more confident with a huge army of solar minions 15:48 and near-infinite wishes thanks to gypsies and wishing pills 15:48 <[Demo][srn]1> had no idea how to take advantage of that 15:48 <[Demo][srn]1> still dont 15:49 <[Demo][srn]1> havent played slashem in a good while 15:49 i think horn of plenty + pyec give you infinite wishes 15:49 because horn of plenty might generate wishing pills 15:50 <[Demo][srn]1> ah 15:50 and i think you dance with gypsies like with nurses 15:51 but that might also kill you? or something like that 15:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "wand of polymorph", on T:25179 15:51 <[Demo][srn]1> i heard mr prevents it 15:52 k 15:52 <[Demo][srn]1> something ive really wanted to do is replace soko altogether with a gypsy 15:52 <[Demo][srn]1> but like not a dumb slashem one 15:52 ah damn my favorite just got kicked out of the WC 15:52 anyway, speedrunning then 16:06 lol 16:06 accidentally put on a cursed towel 16:06 damn 16:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:13 <[Demo][srn]1> yes! 16:13 <[Demo][srn]1> slashem doesnt fix the blindness potion in offhand bug 16:18 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:6349 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:71622 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:71651 16:23 <[Demo][srn]1> what the hell 16:23 <[Demo][srn]1> does slashem 8 even fix anything? 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 t-shirt", on T:71693 16:24 <[Demo][srn]1> ok it didnt 16:32 rip 16:33 yep 16:33 so thats ~30 minutes until the castle 16:33 but its fine 16:34 here i had 1/4 chance of the wow 16:37 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 16:43 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm unicorns are such a great early doppleganger form 16:50 well those things happen too i guess 16:50 7 fountains, no exca 16:50 ruined a great run 16:50 cleaver geenrated in first room lol 16:58 <[Demo][srn]1> whered u cop the WoW? 16:59 minetown drop 17:06 <@escargott'em> How does fire brand compare to Excalibur? 17:06 Boils potions, burns scrolls. Given a choice, go Excal. 17:07 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 17:07 ... also doesn't give automatic searching, level drain protection 17:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 17:10 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 17:11 <[Demo][srn]1> does double dmg lol 17:18 <@escargott'em> Should I stash this sword so some random enemy doesn't pick it up at some Murphy's law moment 17:19 <[Demo][srn]1> escargott'em when deciding between those two weapons i would look at the tables on the wiki pages https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Fire_and_Frost_Brand https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Excalibur 17:21 I wouldn't. 17:22 <[Demo][srn]1> why not 17:22 hmmmm 17:22 <[Demo][srn]1> oh the statsh thing lol 17:22 The damage tables might mislead one into using Fire Brand. 17:23 <@escargott'em> Well damage output isn't really an issue, at least not yet 17:24 <@escargott'em> Searching is nice though 17:24 <[Demo][srn]1> mislead? 17:24 Mislead. 17:24 no no n 17:24 nonononono 17:24 <@escargott'em> And not worrying about level dragon 17:24 <@escargott'em> Drain 17:24 Damage in vanilla isn't really very important since monsters are a joke; the increased utility of Excalibur far exceeds it. 17:25 <[Demo][srn]1> i like to use firebrand and switch excal when i need utility 17:25 The main utility I want is the extra scrolls and potions. 17:25 i think i have to risk that this scroll of genocide is exactly uncursed otherwise i'm dead 17:25 hm actually i could boulder fort 17:25 <@escargott'em> Everything is dying in two bumps though 17:26 <[Demo][srn]1> idk what part of the game ur in 17:26 <[Demo][srn]1> but it probably doesnt make sense for firebrand 17:26 <@escargott'em> Geh 17:26 <@escargott'em> Yeah frost is good for geh, not fire 17:26 <[Demo][srn]1> but firebrand definitely is superior when you've got all your shit together and are righting certain enemies 17:26 <[Demo][srn]1> frost is nice for rodney 17:26 ... should you have the singular misfortune to run out of death zaps 17:27 <[Demo][srn]1> i would definitely use fire in sanctum 17:27 <@escargott'em> When should I start using these death wands anyway 17:27 <[Demo][srn]1> for the priest magoos 17:27 <@escargott'em> Just save them for the uniques? 17:27 <[Demo][srn]1> and also use it in astral 17:27 escargott: On Rodney (or something else that's going to kill you, unlikely as that is) 17:27 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah high preiests and rodney 17:27 ok rip 17:28 i cannot enter the castle 17:28 hmmm mm 17:28 <@escargott'em> L and h are genod, so that's been nice 17:28 hmhm 17:29 <[Demo][srn]1> using excal over fire brand on astral is ridiculous 17:29 how do i enter the castle now 17:29 <[Demo][srn]1> unless enchant weapon is in such a defecit 17:29 this is ridiculous 17:29 <[Demo][srn]1> stenno ive faced that question a lot 17:29 <[Demo][srn]1> the answer ive come to is usually you cant 17:29 well yeah but i got 7 wishes 17:29 wot? 17:29 <[Demo][srn]1> oh 17:30 <[Demo][srn]1> well whenever i want to enter it and i have no way to i cant and i get sad 17:30 one of those potions might be levi and hopefully not polymorph 17:30 <@escargott'em> Destroy bridge, throw stuff across water, and swim over? :D 17:30 i can't destroy the brdige 17:30 <[Demo][srn]1> do you not have the 1:0 wand anymore? 17:30 <[Demo][srn]1> no lev ring? 17:30 <[Demo][srn]1> you got a boh but no lev ring? :P 17:30 <@escargott'em> Usually I'm up to my eyeballs in striking by castle 17:30 why would i need a lev ring 17:30 <[Demo][srn]1> oh right 3.6.1 17:31 <[Demo][srn]1> idk, plane of air it is fun if you have room but you probably wont 17:31 yes but i am not even in the castle 17:31 i think boh is more important than =oLev 17:31 ok i can't even destroy medusas statue 17:31 <[Demo][srn]1> does perseus have nice boots? 17:31 <[Demo][srn]1> oh 17:31 oh i can 17:31 <@escargott'em> Speed run? 17:32 <@escargott'em> Real time? 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:71837 17:33 ok perseus statue is somewhere else where i can't reach it 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:71940 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:71940 17:34 <[Demo][srn]1> you'd think with 7 wishes... 17:35 no, i got them already 17:35 i don't have spare wishes 17:36 <[Demo][srn]1> right 17:36 <[Demo][srn]1> youd think you would have prepared for this 17:36 ? 17:36 <[Demo][srn]1> getting into the castle and getting like 7 more wishes 17:37 well i had to wish, otherwise i would've died 17:37 imma spam create monster and see what happens 17:37 2 times black light in a row 17:38 <[Demo][srn]1> so maybe you should have grabbed your lev ring on that wand? 17:38 i don't need a lev ring man 17:38 <[Demo][srn]1> fine, a tonal instrument 17:38 <[Demo][srn]1> your choice item that would get you into the castle 17:38 i wouldn't need a tonal either if i had striking 17:39 How can there be no striking in the entire dungeon? 17:39 imma go back into the main dungeon 17:39 arehgiuso0dadgzs 17:39 -!- stenno has left #hardfought 17:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39 <[Demo][srn]1> this is why i hate speedrunning 17:39 <[Demo][srn]1> its just rolling the dice a bunch 17:39 <[Demo][srn]1> until you get lucky enough 17:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:39 <[Demo][srn]1> and then shit like this happens where you get an early WoW but the game manages to screw you over in some other way 17:39 nice, confused tele brought me one level up, and then one level down again 17:40 now i can't get back 17:40 ah well, infinite bad luck 17:40 can't do much 17:42 k 17:42 <[Demo][srn]1> :( 17:42 Pinkbeast: i am speedrunning. 17:42 Pinkbeast: i cannot check out every room of every level 17:42 because that would be really slow 17:43 <[Demo][srn]1> how do u find vlad? 17:43 so there might have infact been a wand of striking, or a tonal, or a potion of levitation, or a ring of levitation, or water walking boots somewhere in the dungeon 17:43 or a wand of opening 17:44 levtele and magic map 17:44 <[Demo][srn]1> do you cook up a bunch of magic mapping? 17:44 <[Demo][srn]1> ok 17:45 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 17:45 or maybe i'd find a cursed scroll of teleport and wouldn't have had infinite bad luck that both uncontrolled teleports would've sent me lower than medusa or maybe perseus' statue would actually have been on medusas island 17:45 or maybe this or maybe that 17:46 or maybe i wouldn't have gotten 2 minotaurs on the left side of the castle 17:46 who knows 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 5670 points, T:7428, killed by a wolf 17:47 a wand of wishing isn't even that important 17:47 <[Demo][srn]1> really? 17:48 <[Demo][srn]1> sure would have got you out of that bind :P 17:48 adeon did 1h20 without early wow 17:48 <[Demo][srn]1> i was gonna say imagine how much faster it would be with WoW but we know that :P 17:48 yes, 1h2 17:50 <[Demo][srn]1> what's the fastest non adeon run? 17:50 1h48 or so 17:50 i wanna get sub-2h 17:50 <[Demo][srn]1> what's ur fastest? 17:50 and then slowly approach the 1h 17:50 2h13 17:50 2h14 17:51 <[Demo][srn]1> was that with or without an early wow 17:51 without 17:51 <[Demo][srn]1> you see where I'm going here? 17:52 not really 17:52 <[Demo][srn]1> the joke is if adeon can shave off like 18 minutes with a wow then that number is clearly 100% infallible and if you had an early wow you could just break 2h 17:52 its really not that important 17:53 you are grinding so hard that you might well get those items anyway 17:53 <[Demo][srn]1> how many things do you need? 17:53 tonal 17:53 reflection 17:53 or conflict + striking 17:53 and a pick-axe 17:53 <[Demo][srn]1> cause an early wow sounds like a free 6-8 of the total categories of things you need 17:54 pick-axe is most important, then reflection, then tonal 17:54 i'd say 17:54 <[Demo][srn]1> I'm counting wishes 17:54 <[Demo][srn]1> sounds like you need magic mapping and a marker 17:54 you don't need magic mapping neccessarily, its a convenience 17:55 <[Demo][srn]1> but for the speed? 17:55 man going into the nh4 menu and then back to 3.6.1 screws up my terminal colors 17:55 just a few minutes auto-exploring those levels 17:56 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm 17:56 <[Demo][srn]1> in the end the luck and speed needs to land sub 2 17:56 <[Demo][srn]1> would be neat to try to calculate the amount of luck needed 17:56 <[Demo][srn]1> ie the odds of even having a game even be playable in under 2h 17:58 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 17:58 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 17:58 well adeon did 1h30 in a live presentation on the first try 17:59 <[Demo][srn]1> yes that confuses me 17:59 <[Demo][srn]1> much like tariru's streaks 18:00 <[Demo][srn]1> im also impressed he was able to ignore the dudes commentary that was just so wrong so often but goddammit he was trying 18:02 this is propaganda 18:02 I did 1h 7min without early wow 18:02 oh sorry 18:02 instead of wow I found a large scroll shop 18:02 which is almost as good 18:02 scrolls are great 18:02 it also doesn't sound as cheaty 18:03 <[Demo][srn]1> was t he 1h 30 m live run a lucky one, an unlucky one, or a medium one? 18:03 I think it was a lucky one 18:03 in my mind I thought I had about 1/3 chance of successfully pulling off sub-2h 18:03 live run was 1h 50min or so 18:03 <[Demo][srn]1> ah ok 18:04 nethack scoreboard says something different 18:04 <[Demo][srn]1> surprising that it went so well when murphy's law and all 18:04 I still don't know how to pronounce titanothere 18:04 <[Demo][srn]1> me neither but i have my way to do it and it could be right 18:05 <[Demo][srn]1> batchiltheriym that one i have no idea 18:06 I told the organizer I'm not going to do that again 18:06 they thought maybe they'll get crawl speedrunner for next one 18:07 it's probably easier to speedrun because they made a button that plays 90% of the game for you 18:07 <[Demo][srn]1> not doing it again cause you've set a bar too high for yourself with that one's live time? 18:07 <[Demo][srn]1> or some external reason? 18:07 <[Demo][srn]1> what the hell all the pronunciation videos for titanothere are pronouncing it wrong 18:08 I thought the run was very lucky so if I don't play live again no one will know better 18:08 I could go there to talk about some other topic 18:08 <[Demo][srn]1> thats the way to do it 18:08 if I had a roguelike I could talk about it 18:09 like the unfinished submarine roguelike at https://submarination.space/ 18:09 <[Demo][srn]1> you could talk about blowing up nethack's rng 18:09 <[Demo][srn]1> thats a pretty cool topic imo 18:09 <[Demo][srn]1> even if its slightly irrelevant now 18:13 there are people out there who think my 29 streak is illegitimate because a few months before that I did the rng stuff 18:13 so they believe I cheated 18:13 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm 18:13 NAO patched some hardening on RNG after I did that 18:13 I don't think it would still have been impossible to cheat 18:14 but it would be very hard to pull it off without anything suspicious going on 18:14 <[Demo][srn]1> if tariru can do a longer streak "without cheating" i dont see how urs is unbelievable 18:14 the hardening I think was not much more than reseeding every 500 random numbers or something like this 18:14 <@rikersan> has seriously nobody tried to kill medusa as a vampire before 18:14 <@rikersan> ffs 18:15 <[Demo][srn]1> is that all? 18:15 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG vampire bloodsense apparently counts as 'vision' for gaze attacks, even if you're blinded. this includes medusa. I'm listed as "blind", and it's mostly indistinguishable to the extrinsic ESP I had, but I still died 18:15 Will do, @rikersan! 18:15 <[Demo][srn]1> rikersan beholders do the same thing and it sucks 18:15 <[Demo][srn]1> i knew about it but never thought it was affected by medusa too 18:16 <[Demo][srn]1> that is bad 18:16 <[Demo][srn]1> Is there any ttyrec of any of your rng abuse games adeon? 18:16 if NAO still has the old ttyrecs there should be some where I pull crapton of wishes from a fountain 18:16 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG repeat: this applies to all gaze attacks, i.e. auton/archon/tulani/BEHOLDER/literally AT_GAZE I think 18:16 Will do, @rikersan! 18:16 some time in 2009 18:16 hold on, maybe I can find some 18:17 <[Demo][srn]1> at some point in my life i wanna get into the whole rng prediction thing 18:17 this is the dump log https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/Adeon/1236028477.nh343.txt 18:17 let me check if I find corresponding ttyrec 18:18 <[Demo][srn]1> weird choice of death 18:18 <[Demo][srn]1> hiding the screen 18:18 <@rikersan> also, wait what, does "oLS not give you a second try at medusa 18:18 <[Demo][srn]1> it is stoning 18:18 <@rikersan> oh 18:19 <@rikersan> it should 18:19 <[Demo][srn]1> hmmmmm 18:19 <@rikersan> no tha'ts chris's fault 18:19 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah it should 18:19 <@rikersan> he changed something in the death code 18:19 <@rikersan> try this in wizmode with any death 18:19 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah i ate a cockatrice 18:19 <@rikersan> failing to die should set it to your turn again but it doesn't always 18:19 <@rikersan> for example, medusa in anything will never let you get a turn in 18:20 <@rikersan> try wizmode, always hit 'n' to the prompt: dnh doesn't stop killing you but vanilla does 18:20 <[Demo][srn]1> uh yeah 18:20 <[Demo][srn]1> now im stuck in an infinite medusa killing me loop 18:20 <@rikersan> exactly. 18:20 <@rikersan> same applies to something like demogorgon, but tha'ts avoidable if you get a turn in to #wish 18:20 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG also, you messed somethign up in the "fail to die" code I think. it should always set it to your turn so you can take an action, right? (see: vanilla behavior) it doesn't always, so you can burn through infinite "oLS (or hit "n" to the "die?" prompt in wizmode) infinitely 18:20 Will do, @rikersan! 18:21 <[Demo][srn]1> ok so make chris fix it so i can steal the commit 18:21 looks like the wish run is split over many ttyrecs 18:21 <[Demo][srn]1> damn 18:21 <[Demo][srn]1> its like 600 some turns, why? 18:21 <[Demo][srn]1> ohhh 18:21 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG that wasn't worded great, just like ask me in person or read todays' transcript 18:21 Will do, @rikersan! 18:21 <[Demo][srn]1> rng abuse? 18:21 I think I periodically saved+restored to figure out rng seed again 18:21 <[Demo][srn]1> was saving and reloading part of it 18:21 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah 18:21 https://alt.org/nethack/browsettyrec.php?player=Adeon most ttyrecs on 2009-03-03 seem to be of the same run 18:22 <[Demo][srn]1> what good did saving and reloading do? 18:22 the rng stuff was based on finding the seed 18:22 <[Demo][srn]1> like how did you discern the seed from it? 18:22 and it becomes harder to do if you've already pulled lots of random numbers 18:22 so maybe I easily got desynced or something 18:22 I mean 18:22 this is almost 10 years ago 18:22 I don't remember all the details 18:22 <[Demo][srn]1> ah lol 18:23 <[Demo][srn]1> what was the rough method of figuring out the seed? 18:23 I had two ways IIRC 18:23 one of them was looking at discoveries list for wizard 18:23 and then brute-forcing the 32-bit space for seed for list of seeds that could produce those discoveries 18:23 IIRC usually there would be only one candidate 18:23 <[Demo][srn]1> nice 18:24 the second method was naming items to artifacts which causes you to mess it up with random letter 18:24 and then there was this part about pulling wishes 18:24 find a fountain next to a wall 18:24 make sure you know exactly where your rng state is using one of the two above methods 18:24 <[Demo][srn]1> doesnt it jitter a bit though? 18:24 walking into a wall consumes one random number even if nothing happens 18:25 <[Demo][srn]1> oh only one? 18:25 I think you used the second method to know exactly where you are 18:25 <[Demo][srn]1> nice 18:25 and then walk into a wall enough times until you know next time you quaff you get a wish 18:25 depending on what you wish the fountain may dry up so there was another thing that made sure it was unlikely 18:25 but it wasn't flawless 18:25 I think my fountain dried at 90 wishes or something 18:25 <[Demo][srn]1> see this is quality abuse 18:25 some wishes may consume lot of random numbers, e.g. containers 18:26 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah would depend on the object initialization i guess 18:27 <[Demo][srn]1> what was your method of simulating the rng so you could bruteforce it? 18:27 yeah 18:27 and I think I had replicated some internal nethack logic for the purpose of estimating how many random numbers some action consumes 18:28 <[Demo][srn]1> how much does pulling a random number increment whatever internal counter is kept that from random numbers are generated, or rather how do you work that bit out? 18:28 lol 18:28 ah well 18:28 source diving 18:29 <[Demo][srn]1> so from looking at the specific implementation of the pseudo rng? 18:29 isn't the vanilla seed basically just given by system time? 18:30 i mean the vanilla 3.4.3 seed 18:30 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:8365 18:30 man doing these runs is super addictive 18:30 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah sleep is important 18:32 so they say 18:34 <[Demo][srn]1> homonculus propaganda 18:39 bonk 18:40 ah wellh 18:40 bedtime i guess 18:42 the glibc rng is an lcg 18:42 pretty easy to implement 18:42 so I replicated the rng in my code 18:43 the other source diving component is looking at when and how many times nethack calls the rng 18:43 these days I'm more educated so I might be able to do more sophisticated figuring out of the rng state 18:43 like not try to find the seed but find the probability of the rng state being something more directly 18:44 the rng state itself is larger than 32 bits 18:44 nethack just seeded it at 32 biODts 18:45 <@rikersan> !tell NeroOneTrueKing Tarmunora once mentioned you having a "python script" that like is a database of monsters and stuff, queryable. mind sharing it with me? 18:45 Will do, @rikersan! 18:47 <[Demo][srn]1> it would be cool if you tried to attack nethack's rng again in the future 18:48 <@escargott'em> isn't that what rodney is 18:48 aren't your rng patches in vailla now 18:48 would be surprised if it wasn't 18:55 they are not 18:56 derp 18:56 I think currently the code may again be vulnerable, not sure 18:56 I haven't looked at the rng code in 3.6 18:56 fair 18:56 what an oversight 18:57 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/959f0e557b3c15f6810992c1c95108438f974b3c/src/hacklib.c#L852 18:57 yeah this is the same old crappy rng code 18:58 or hmm, not sure it's the same code 18:58 but it doesn't look very hardened 18:58 "/* Quick dirty band-aid to prevent PRNG prediction */" 18:58 sure thing nethack 18:59 here is your patch https://bilious.alt.org/?349 18:59 lol 18:59 <@rikersan> what are mr1 and mr2 in the monst.c source? 19:00 so that rng code uses time(0) and unix pid 19:00 the pid is slightly obfuscated 19:00 but that information alone massively decreases the search space you would need to do 19:00 the number of pids typical linux system can have is not very high 19:00 yeah 19:00 <@rikersan> oh 19:00 <@rikersan> nvm 19:00 <[Demo][srn]1> so you think it would be even easier for you now even with the crap patch because you are more knowledgeable and experienced? 19:01 yep 19:01 between the time I did my rng crap and now I went to university and got M.Sc. in theoretical computer science 19:01 i even wonder, if you look at dgl code, if you can further deduce PID from, idk, number of concurrent games or so 19:02 <@rikersan> demo: when was the Great Reflagging for dnh? 19:02 <@rikersan> what version? 19:02 <[Demo][srn]1> a long long time ago 19:02 <[Demo][srn]1> no idea 19:02 <@rikersan> kk 19:02 <[Demo][srn]1> oh waht was it for? 19:02 <[Demo][srn]1> oh when nevermind 19:02 Adeon: going to make phd? 19:02 <@rikersan> lol 19:02 or just earn money now 19:02 no way 19:03 <@rikersan> cuz like I want to know what MM, MB, etc. all stand for 19:03 I wasn't going to even get M.Sc. but US immigration values it a bit too much 19:03 <[Demo][srn]1> MM is monster movement, MV is monster vision 19:03 <@rikersan> yes 19:03 <@rikersan> MA? 19:03 <@rikersan> MT is traits I guess? 19:03 <[Demo][srn]1> probably 19:03 <[Demo][srn]1> these are just guesses lol 19:03 <@rikersan> and what does MG stand for? I get what it does tho 19:04 working in a startup is kind of shit 19:04 you just wait for a really nice project to earn money from 19:04 and maybe that project will never come 19:05 and you can't really climb a ladder so there is no much wage development 19:05 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG looks like some people, like arcs, still can't 2wep (like monks and their xwep thing) 19:05 Will do, @rikersan! 19:05 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG nvm ignore that I was just dumb I forgot vamps can't 2wep 19:05 Will do, @rikersan! 19:06 <@rikersan> oh I found it demo it's in monflag.h 19:06 <[Demo][srn]1> did he actually bother commenting what the letters meant? 19:06 <@rikersan> motility, thoughts, body plan, vision, game mechanics 19:07 <@rikersan> yep 19:07 <@rikersan> > #define MA_PLANT 0x00000800L /* is a plant (or a fungus. Which is SORTA a plant) */ 19:07 <@rikersan> > SORTA 19:07 <@rikersan> such confidence 19:07 <@lapis> re: vampires i've definitely had them have some strange interactions before 19:07 fungus is no plant 19:07 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah bloodsense is broken 19:07 fungus is fungus 19:07 <@lapis> played an invisible vampiric binder before, with iris bound, and got her unbound by attacking an aoa 19:08 <[Demo][srn]1> thats normal i think 19:08 <[Demo][srn]1> oh invisible 19:08 its like calling a bacterium sorta an animal 19:08 <[Demo][srn]1> wait vampires shouldnt be able to see a reflection to begin with 19:08 <@rikersan> ^ 19:08 <@rikersan> tha'ts retarded lol 19:08 <@rikersan> also 19:08 <@rikersan> MA is "//Monster rAce" 19:08 <@rikersan> why 19:08 <@lapis> exactly lol 19:09 <@rikersan> why not call it mra or something 19:09 <@rikersan> or MS, species 19:09 <@rikersan> ther'es got to be something other than rAce 19:09 <[Demo][srn]1> why did he even bother changing from numbers to letters? 19:09 <@rikersan> probably easier to edit 19:10 <@rikersan> oh 19:10 <@rikersan> yeah I don't know lol 19:10 <@lapis> And if you know what the letters mean it’s probably easier to read 19:10 <@rikersan> ^ 19:10 <@rikersan> same with numbers tho 19:10 <@rikersan> (it was changed from like M1_SOMETHING to MM_SOMETHING) 19:10 <@rikersan> (not that much easier) 19:11 <@rikersan> is the lvl in monst.c base or max 19:11 <@rikersan> base? 19:14 <@rikersan> hm chris removed some interesting monsters 19:14 <[Demo][srn]1> low 19:14 <@lapis> Yeah a bunch of angels are commented out 19:14 <@rikersan> no not just uniques? 19:14 <@rikersan> hellwasp: powerful 'a' with DRLI string 19:14 <@rikersan> *sting 19:14 <@rikersan> blood flies: fast 'a' with DRLI bite 19:15 <@lapis> I can see why they’re commented out lol that sounds awful 19:15 max monster level is base * 1.5 19:15 <@rikersan> yora chick: like a pyrolisk? (side note: don't google taht) 19:15 <@rikersan> bloody and blinking eyes are removed 19:15 <[Demo][srn]1> hellwasps are from slashem 19:15 <[Demo][srn]1> as are those eyes 19:15 <@rikersan> ah 19:15 <[Demo][srn]1> they are not particularly interesting monsters 19:16 <@rikersan> OotAoS are added 19:16 <@rikersan> nuked some other angels, Ursinal, (unveiled and singular, in additon to plain) Grigori, Seraph of Law|Void 19:16 <@lapis> Huh, Lucifer isn’t actually commented out 19:16 <@rikersan> yep 19:17 <@lapis> Nor is Apollyon 19:17 <@rikersan> still wizmode makeable 19:17 <[Demo][srn]1> seraph of law? 19:17 <[Demo][srn]1> ill take some mega angels 19:17 <[Demo][srn]1> i need all the mega angels i can get 19:17 <@lapis> Do you have any idea what birth/health/bounty/peace are? 19:18 <@lapis> They sound like inverted riders 19:18 <@rikersan> huh no 19:18 <@lapis> They don’t have any attacks 19:18 <@rikersan> demo: they look identical to archons 19:18 <@rikersan> archons + more spells 19:18 <@lapis> Oh yeah they have MG_RIDER 19:18 <[Demo][srn]1> i need some good shit for hells path to heaven 19:19 <@rikersan> grigori might work tho 19:19 <@lapis> What’s the line to indicate a monster has spells? 19:19 <@rikersan> those the watchers iirc (been ages since I watched supernatural) 19:19 <@rikersan> @lapis maybe the AT_SPEL? :p 19:19 <@rikersan> er, AD_ 19:19 <@lapis> So it would be with the attacks if they had any 19:19 <@lapis> Huh 19:20 <@rikersan> oh shoot the unkown god used to be separated 19:20 <@rikersan> > -/* MON("head of the unknown god", S_GOLEM, 19:20 <[Demo][srn]1> yes he did 19:20 <@rikersan> where'd that spawn? 19:20 <[Demo][srn]1> not sure what that was intended for 19:20 <@rikersan> demo I have 2 demons for you if you want 19:21 <[Demo][srn]1> are like of the lords of nine already in nethack? 19:21 <[Demo][srn]1> dnethack 19:21 <@lapis> I believe so 19:21 <@rikersan> yes 19:21 <[Demo][srn]1> then i cant think of any more id need 19:21 <@rikersan> I think most are 19:21 <[Demo][srn]1> i need all 9 19:21 <@rikersan> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Chris/dNetHack/dNethack_Devil_Lords 19:22 <[Demo][srn]1> oh they arent 19:22 <@rikersan> that's not them huh 19:22 <[Demo][srn]1> missing one 19:23 <[Demo][srn]1> Bel 19:23 <@rikersan> bael? 19:23 <@rikersan> oh belus 19:23 <[Demo][srn]1> eh i can just mix lores 19:24 <[Demo][srn]1> and slip in mammon instead 19:24 <[Demo][srn]1> oh wait shes in use already yikes 19:24 <@rikersan> lel 19:24 <@rikersan> what is pxl in the SIZ thing in monst.c? 19:24 <@rikersan> I think it's always 0 19:26 <[Demo][srn]1> find where it isn't and you might be able to guess what it does 19:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:46 @rikersan I can PM the script or something 19:46 <@rikersan> that would work 19:46 <@rikersan> I'm making my own rn but neros would be nice 19:46 <@rikersan> lemme pop on irc 19:47 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 19:47 Tarmunora_: my PMs are ready 19:47 You should be good to go 19:56 Re dNh angel lords and shit: There is one that can show up in a normal game 19:57 <@rikersan> tarmunora: the gated one from pale night? 19:57 <@rikersan> asphodel iirc 19:57 ascodel 19:57 <@rikersan> yeah dat 19:57 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:34 -!- Schrubber has joined #hardfought 20:36 -!- Schrubber1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:65429 20:57 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 21:32 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:37 -!- stenno is now known as Guest23918 21:41 -!- Guest23918 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:48 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 21:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 21:50 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:66050 21:53 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 22:06 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 22:07 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:66424 22:12 Splicehack wiki pages are now up to date with the current version. 22:12 AntiGulp: Message from @luxidream at 2018-07-08 23:09 EDT: petition: message for a cartomancer being engulfed by a fire vortex should be “That tornado’s carrying a car!” 22:14 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 5355 points, T:3491, killed by a mumak 22:14 !tell luxidream That’s hilarious and is going in as soon as possible. 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