00:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:56596
00:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:56698
00:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:27737
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00:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Kni Clk Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8143
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00:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Kni Clk Fem Law), 36620 points, T:8951, killed by an unearthly drow
00:49 <rld> <@lapis> good god i hate drow
00:54 <PavelB> aos_: There's like, 10 colorschemes that IRCCloud supports
00:54 <PavelB> You can just pick a different one in the settings
00:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 39293 points, T:4266, killed by a wolf
00:55 <PavelB> (Most of the colorschemes are shit. I'd use Ash or Midnight.)
00:56 <PavelB> (Oh god I just switched to the default theme to remind myself how it looks and was instantly blinded)
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01:02 <PavelB> YANI: A hallucination monster named "Light theme"
01:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Fem Cha), 3825 points, T:1023, killed by a dwarf
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01:04 <PavelB> aos_: They actually have electron-based desktop apps, too: https://github.com/irccloud/irccloud-desktop
01:04 <PavelB> They're not mentioned anywhere and you have to build them from source.
01:05 <PavelB> Actually, you don't if you use Windows/Mac/Ubuntu
01:05 <PavelB> But the Linux binary distribution is a deb package
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01:13 <winny> eh
01:14 <winny> you can probably find a package for your distro somebody made from the deb
01:14 <winny> it's pretty common, sorta not idea, but your best bet
01:15 <winny> rip your cpu cycles though :) [electron]
01:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 7487 points, T:1550, killed by a gnome
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01:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 408 points, T:64, killed by a heat ray
01:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 45 points, T:36, killed by a death ray
01:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:7, killed by a heat ray
01:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:7, killed by a heat ray
01:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:8, killed by a heat ray
01:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:7, killed by a heat ray
01:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:7, killed by a heat ray
01:39 <winny> how does one kill themself that many times in a raw before T10 with a heat ray
01:57 <PavelB> winny: I wasn't able to find an rpm on Fedora's COPR or on SUSE's package server.
02:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Corsh on T:30448
02:07 <winny> dang
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02:11 <winny> you might be able to use alien to convert the deb to rpm, or otherwise install it locally (apparently it's really just a node package https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=irccloud ), or write the rpm .spec for it (but that is a rabbit hole, one of the first two is probably most ideal)
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02:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1239
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03:23 <bhaak> aos_: yeah, saying "unspoiled player won't notice" also complete ignore if the change is good or bad game design
03:25 <bhaak> I mean, I don't like "Elbereth" so much but as long as I have no idea on how improve upon it, I don't go and force the player to write one letter at a time to write it with the goal to reduce Elbereth spamming
03:27 <bhaak> with Elbereth I went exactly the other route with the ctrl-e shortcut and I would do the same with credit cloning if it weren't already so efficient in 3.4.3.
03:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:33253
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05:43 <Grasshopper> "Your sacrifice is consumed in a burst of flame! You hear the chime of a cash register."
05:43 <Grasshopper> Must be one of those cook your own food restaurants
05:51 <stenno> ka-ching
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06:12 <stenno> ahem
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06:30 <Grasshopper> stenno, ka-ching sounds like an evil wizard
06:41 <stenno> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ka-ching
06:46 <Grasshopper> yep, sounds like that too :D
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06:51 <Grasshopper> The "Tao Te Ching" is a fundamental text for philosophical and religious Taoism.
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06:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:54791
07:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Durin's Bane, on T:38452
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08:22 <raisse> anyone in the EU who hates (or, bafflingly, loves) daylight saving time, here's an official poll https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/2018-summertime-arrangements
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08:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:55511
08:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:55512
08:42 <K2> morning
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08:52 <stenno> raisse: didn't the poll site crash when going online first :P
08:52 <raisse> not for me
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09:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 39311 points, T:3983, killed by a wolf
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10:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:57848
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10:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:58392
10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 988 points, T:2584, killed by a hill orc
10:58 <nooodle> !asc hypnotist
10:58 <Beholder> nooodle: [hdf-us] hypnotist has ascended 19 times in 45 games (42.22%):  nh361:19 (45.24%)
11:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 6028 points, T:7502, killed by a watch captain
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11:31 <stenno> oh crap that was fast alreadty
11:32 <rld> <@Tone> What was it stenno?
11:32 <stenno> accidentally digged adjacent to water at medusa
11:32 <stenno> and surrounded by 2 trolls which are followers
11:33 <stenno> i had a tonal there though so that was nice
11:33 <stenno> getting more and more an idea here how that can work
11:35 <Grasshopper> "Blecch!  Rotten food!  You feel rather light headed. You finish eating the tengu corpse.  You feel in control of yourself."
11:36 <Grasshopper> and yet, I am still confused
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11:47 <bug_sniper> yasi: a radio so you can wake up a monster remotely
11:47 <bug_sniper> or a phone
11:48 <[Demo][srn]1> anyone happen to know much about efreeti or salamanders?
11:48 <bug_sniper> to allow you to deal with the high priest or whoever he is in your variant
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11:58 <stenno> there are several ways to wake up monsters remotely though
11:58 <bug_sniper> I know, drums and arrows
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12:04 <stenno> time to disable bones
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12:52 <[Demo][srn]1> don't run with bones if you want proper respect
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13:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided gremlin, on T:49928
13:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:49929
13:29 <PavelB> stenno: What's wrong with bones? Bones have neat loot.
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13:37 <[Demo][srn]1> he's doing speedruns
13:37 <[Demo][srn]1> but not the extreme kind
13:37 <[Demo][srn]1> bones are another big dice roll that he doesn't need
13:37 <[Demo][srn]1> cause running quick is rolling and seeing if you live
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13:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:6559
13:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Und Mal Cha), 6551 points, T:2409, killed by a monster (astral elemental)
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14:02 <PavelB> Are there any nethack competitions anymore other than jnh? I heard /dev/null isn't a thing anymore.
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14:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:6987
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14:19 <[Demo][srn]1> how inappropriate would it be the break the format of quests being like 5-6 levels long and a single branch?
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14:22 <PavelB> I wouldn't mind longer and more varied quests, but I wouldn't want them to be harder (mostly because I'm bad and can't clear the vanilla quest).
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14:29 <[Demo][srn]1> well longer for flavor
14:30 <[Demo][srn]1> like a whole city of brass with a shopping branch and everything
14:32 <PavelB> I don't see why not
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14:35 <[Demo][srn]1> Working on a salamander rebellion quest
14:41 <PavelB> Which variant is this?
14:43 <[Demo][srn]1> ndnh
14:44 <Grasshopper> !ping
14:44 <Beholder> Grasshopper: Pong! 
14:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:61192
14:47 <PavelB> [Demo][srn]1: Wait, I know what dnh is, but I haven't heard of ndnh
14:50 <[Demo][srn]1> its not dnethack
14:50 <[Demo][srn]1> https://github.com/demogorgon22/notdnethack/blob/master/changelog.txt
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14:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] oh6 (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5385
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14:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Spa Red Mal Cha), 750 points, T:460, killed by a monster (spider)
15:19 <rld> <@lapis> PavelB, i have heard there will be some tournament in november even if it isnt /dev/null
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16:23 <[Demo][srn]1> ugh quest.txt done went and broke
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16:25 <[Demo][srn]1> i feel like i do this every time
16:39 <rld> <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG wiki bug from Wikid/Vor, idk if you check the wiki page so: "PS attempts at increasing enchantment of the "Smoky violet faceless robe" above +0 (as worn by the Shattered Ziggurat wizard) using b?oEA cause the game to crash Wikid (talk) 09:53, 8 July 2018 (UTC)"
16:39 <Beholder> Will do, @rikersan!
16:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 50 points, T:84, imp
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16:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 230 points, T:684, leprechaun
16:44 <[Demo][srn]1> why
16:44 <PavelB> why what?
16:45 <[Demo][srn]1> its perfectly stable
16:45 <[Demo][srn]1> if you are wearing a helmet
16:45 <[Demo][srn]1> lol
16:46 <rld> <@rikersan> ?
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16:46 <[Demo][srn]1> 2987                            makeknown(uarmh->otyp); causes crash in do_wear.c
16:47 <rld> <@rikersan> ?
16:47 <PavelB> ?
16:47 <rld> <@rikersan> what is this for
16:47 <[Demo][srn]1> he copied and pasted from helm of brilliance code
16:47 <rld> <@rikersan> the enchant bug I just posted?
16:47 <[Demo][srn]1> yes
16:47 <[Demo][srn]1> in adj_abon
16:47 <rld> <@rikersan> ah
16:47 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
16:47 <[Demo][srn]1> if you enchant it at all i think itll break
16:47 <rld> <@rikersan> nice
16:47 <rld> <@rikersan> LOL
16:48 <[Demo][srn]1> hell, i if ur wearing one and it gets shredded, get crashed on
16:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Fem Cha), 5892 points, T:1951, killed by an invisible gnome
17:03 <[Demo][srn]1> ah yes, an obsidian bullwhip
17:03 <[Demo][srn]1> because that somehow makes sense
17:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Fem Cha), 1064 points, T:810, killed by a dwarf
17:04 <FIQ> I have returned, to grace this fine chatroom
17:04 <Beholder> FIQ: Message from [Demo][srn]1 at 2018-07-02 17:59 EDT: i zapped my pet with makeinvis and it auto ided when it got inisible but when i zapped my pet iwht like uh slow monster and it got slower it didnt autoid
17:05 <K2> ;)
17:05 <[Demo][srn]1> hi fiq
17:05 <K2> good timing, i just popped in also
17:05 <K2> loves me some military training
17:06 <K2> prep all done, start in hard and heavy tomorrow
17:06 <[Demo][srn]1> ow ow
17:06 <oh6> weeha
17:07 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed fix: slow monster wands identify properly
17:07 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
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17:07 <oh6> I'm playing a half-dragon monk and it's been pretty OK so far
17:08 <oh6> !role 
17:08 <Beholder> oh6: nh343 priest
17:08 <oh6> !role dnh
17:08 <Beholder> oh6: noble
17:08 <oh6> !race
17:08 <Beholder> oh6: dynahack gnome
17:08 <K2> FIQ I'll try to get to it tonight
17:08 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-07-08 17:07 EDT: pushed fix: slow monster wands identify properly
17:15 <PavelB> Why do people use `!tell` to communicate with people that literally just spoke
17:16 <[Demo][srn]1> to make sure they see it?
17:16 <PavelB> But if they're actively talking
17:16 <[Demo][srn]1> there is no guarantee that because they just spoke they will see anything you say
17:17 <K2> its a FIQ thing
17:18 <PavelB> Actually, my very first experience in #hardfought was riker sending like 5 message to Amy through `!tell` while Amy was actively talking in between each message 
17:22 <K2> heh
17:22 <K2> FIQ is a trend setter
17:22 <K2> ok see you all later
17:22 <FIQ> PavelB: I do it because of routine
17:23 <FIQ> when I have an update pending, I push a !tell to K2 
17:23 <FIQ> whether he's around or not
17:23 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm where all do i need to update the list of des files?
17:23 <[Demo][srn]1> some header file i think
17:23 <FIQ> there was times when I told K2 that I pushed an update and he didn't notice because reading backlog is hard
17:23 <FIQ> so I simply just !tell unconditionally pretty much at this point
17:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2846
17:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2986
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18:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Lol (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3360
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18:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6730
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18:22 <[Demo][srn]1> stupid monsters throwing their spears when they have no other weapon
18:23 <rld> <@lapis> Is it intentional that rock moles can eat magic chests
18:23 <rld> <@lapis> Because I found one chilling in the closet where the soko chest is normally, and it’s nowhere to be found
18:23 <[Demo][srn]1> wow that must be annoying
18:24 <FIQ> @lapis what variant
18:24 <[Demo][srn]1> rock moles eat iron?
18:24 <[Demo][srn]1> dnh
18:24 <rld> <@lapis> Dnh yeah
18:24 <[Demo][srn]1> gonna change the material to metallic in ndnh
18:24 <rld> <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG rock moles can eat magic chests, prolly shoudln't
18:24 <Beholder> Will do, @rikersan!
18:24 <[Demo][srn]1> oh shit it is metallic
18:25 <rld> <@rikersan> oh dang really
18:25 <[Demo][srn]1> which means rock moles can probably eat anything in the metal range
18:25 <rld> <@lapis> It could also have not generated? Idk
18:25 <[Demo][srn]1> asshole probably ate it
18:26 <[Demo][srn]1> making it out of wood
18:26 <rld> <@rikersan> > The rock mole eats a big chest with 10 keyholes!
18:26 <[Demo][srn]1> eh then its organic
18:26 <[Demo][srn]1> and a dumb blob can eat it
18:26 <rld> <@lapis> Mithril?
18:26 <rld> <@lapis> Not sure what that would do to the weight
18:27 <[Demo][srn]1> im gonna ban artifact eating
18:27 <[Demo][srn]1> and magic chests
18:27 <rld> <@rikersan> can still eat mithril
18:27 <rld> <@lapis> Bone?
18:28 <[Demo][srn]1> organic i think
18:28 <[Demo][srn]1> so a gelatinus cube could take it out
18:28 <[Demo][srn]1> just special casing
18:28 <[Demo][srn]1> also i bet rock moles can eat alignment keys >_>
18:29 <rld> <@lapis> I don’t think bone is organic
18:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Lol (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2983 points, T:4924, killed by a panther
18:30 <rld> <@lapis> Wiki says it’s entirely inedible, unless dnh changes something
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18:33 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm yeah doesnt get destroyed by gelt engulf
18:35 <rld> <@rikersan> why not plastic
18:36 <[Demo][srn]1> no flavor sense
18:36 <rld> <@rikersan> it doesn't
18:36 <rld> <@rikersan> really? its better than bone
18:36 <[Demo][srn]1> bone is cool and magicakl
18:36 <[Demo][srn]1> plastic is out of palce in nehtack
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19:05 <rld> <@lapis> Huh. So. The ana quest monsters can totally activate the portal
19:06 <[Demo][srn]1> yep
19:07 <rld> <@rikersan> yep and it sucks ass to have a master mind flayer follow you back
19:07 <rld> <@lapis> yeah the entire room was filled with deep ones and vampires
19:08 <rld> <@lapis> and a warrior changed
19:08 <rld> <@rikersan> you can't take too long on the home leve
19:08 <rld> <@rikersan> just sprint it
19:08 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm im fairly confused right now
19:12 <rld> <@lapis> i did sprint, i did my first dive for gear
19:12 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm spellcasters with bullwhips are annoying
19:12 <rld> <@lapis> but the portal was in a chokepoint from the stairs
19:15 <[Demo][srn]1> i consider that lucky :P
19:15 <[Demo][srn]1> then again sara doesnt really die as quick anymore
19:15 <rld> <@rikersan> I liek the new deep ones changes
19:17 <[Demo][srn]1> ndnh will not be taking those
19:17 <rld> <@rikersan> really?
19:17 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
19:18 <[Demo][srn]1> "The salamander slave throws a pointless obsidian spear!  The pointless obsidian spear misses the efreet overseer." lets play a game called spot the two issues i have
19:18 <rld> <@rikersan> yes
19:18 <PavelB> I see one issue
19:20 <[Demo][srn]1> youve got the dumb spears not being initialized cause somebody forgot to go back and fix that and youve got the dumb asses throwing their only weapon
19:21 <PavelB> Yeah, how is "pointless" a thing in the first place
19:23 <[Demo][srn]1> well the spear wasnt initialized so the code that puts a point on it wasnt run so the field that holds what kinda point it has on it is empty
19:23 <PavelB> Why do spears have a state where they don't have a point
19:24 <PavelB> That seems, uh, pointless
19:24 <[Demo][srn]1> so it doesnt crash?
19:25 <[Demo][srn]1> but yeahhh that should probably be done somewhere that happens when the item is created to not be initialized
19:25 <PavelB> Also, TIL spears can have multiple kinds of points
19:25 <[Demo][srn]1> in ndnh
19:25 <[Demo][srn]1> not in vanilla
19:25 <PavelB> Ah
19:26 <[Demo][srn]1> if you couldnt tell from the salamander slave or efreet overseer
19:27 <PavelB> I know you were talking about ndnh, but I didn't know that spear types was a thing you added
19:27 <PavelB> IDK, in the moment I assumed they were already there and you broke them
19:28 <rld> <@lapis> what are the deep one changes?
19:28 <rld> <@rikersan> they now blow up walls
19:29 <rld> <@rikersan> kinda like breachers/sappers
19:30 <rld> <@lapis> ah, that's why the one had a stack of frags on him
19:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Lol (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3246
19:31 <[Demo][srn]1> they use dynamite
19:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:10072
19:31 <[Demo][srn]1> in 3.16.1
19:31 <[Demo][srn]1> not in 3.16.0 they do nothing
19:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Lol (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2910 points, T:3255, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse
19:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Ana Dro Fem Cha), 120800 points, T:11410, killed by a priest of Moloch
19:56 <[Demo][srn]1> this monster generation confuses me
19:57 <[Demo][srn]1> how do i make it so theres two levels of fila and not just one?
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19:57 <[Demo][srn]1> i swear some roles have that
20:00 <[Demo][srn]1> also anyone know of any variants with maps with like classic islamic structures like minarets and mosques and stuff?
20:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Lol (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2494 points, T:2377, killed by a giant spider
20:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Lol (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 213 points, T:672, killed by a small mimic
20:23 <rld> <@IceBox> !lastgame
20:23 <Beholder> @IceBox: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/I/IceBox/nh361/dumplog/1531094988.nh361.txt
20:23 <Beholder> @IceBox: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nickgrim/sporkhack/dumplog/1531085954.sp.txt
20:23 <Beholder> @IceBox: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/narkly/nh361/dumplog/1530793910.nh361.txt
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21:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 725 points, T:2990, killed by an iguana, while fainted from lack of food
21:11 <Grasshopper> !ping
21:11 <Beholder> Grasshopper: Pong! 
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21:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] Lol (Bar Inf Mal Cha), 764 points, T:1556, killed by a gnome
21:19 <[Demo][srn]1> is there a correlation between bird ownership and being nuts?
21:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] space (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 13113 points, T:659, killed by a falling rock
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21:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] lozenge (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 21240 points, T:1668, killed by a giant rat
21:49 <[Demo][srn]1> https://i.imgur.com/3UwUhhL.png good old map theft
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21:54 <PavelB> [Demo][srn]1: Why do you ask about the bird thing?
22:00 <rld> <@rikersan> since bird owners are pretty nuts
22:00 <rld> <@rikersan> Demo: where's that from?
22:00 <rld> <@rikersan> looks like slex
22:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 465 points, T:1395, killed by a small mimic
22:07 <rld> <@escargott'em> What levels do you guys make sure to use magic mapping on? if you have limited scrolls
22:11 <[Demo][srn]1> jonadab
22:11 <[Demo][srn]1> aladins palace
22:11 <[Demo][srn]1> four castle variant
22:20 <[Demo][srn]1> but with lava
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22:40 <rld> <@lapis> Escar: I tend to just burn them in gehennom
22:41 <rld> <@lapis> They don’t work on astral and they’re not very useful on the planes when you can just use gold detection or something
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22:52 <rld> <@rikersan> they don't work in the planes I don't think
22:52 <rld> <@rikersan> I mean, earth maybe if you have that one setting to show empty rooms on, and then fire, but tha'ts it
22:52 <rld> <@rikersan> water and air are the same every time
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22:57 <rld> <@Tone> You can use magic mapping on the plane of water to see the current location of all bubbles and the portal too if you've already seen/detected it
22:57 <rld> <@Tone> It's very useful there
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22:58 <rld> <@Tone> I magic map every other level in gehennom for the most part, go back and check the levels with Vlad's tower if I missed it, and I do all of the wiz tower levels since they are undiggable
23:00 <rld> <@Tone> If I haven't genocided liches then usually they'll locate the stairs for me on a lot of the lower levels
23:00 <rld> <@Tone> @escargott'em
23:01 <rld> <@Tone> btw the plane of water thing is just if you have extra scrolls or marker charges at the endgame, don't go out of your way for that
23:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:61886
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23:09 <rld> <@luxidream> !tell AntiGulp petition: message for a cartomancer being engulfed by a fire vortex should be “That tornado’s carrying a car!”
23:09 <Beholder> Will do, @luxidream!
23:14 <rld> <@rikersan> @luxidream why? I do'nt get how cartomancers relate to shitty sonic memes
23:15 <rld> <@luxidream> 😦
23:15 <rld> <@rikersan> oh google says one of the characters from sonic has that
23:15 <rld> <@rikersan> TIL
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23:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:63310
23:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:63312
23:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mappgin", on T:63313
23:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:63321
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23:36 <Grasshopper> magic mappgin? Did that even work?
23:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:62206
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23:58 <bug_sniper> what's a cartomancer?