00:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:18253 00:00 -!- beetcoin has joined #hardfought 00:00 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 50 points, T:14, imp 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 50 points, T:16, imp 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 471 points, T:541, orc 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 600 points, T:386, dart 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:51800 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 50 points, T:38, hobgoblin 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 1489 points, T:1819, orc 00:38 is there someone here called mtf? 00:40 <@escargott'em> @mtf 00:40 <@escargott'em> He's playing vr games like a nerd 00:40 i'm trying to learn about ADOM and someone said he knew a lot about it 00:41 <@escargott'em> You'll probably want to join the discord side, there's a room here for adom discussion.. not sure if there's one on irc 00:41 you are helpful 00:41 thanks 00:51 Cleaver rocks in Big Room 00:51 chopchopchopchopchopchoppy 00:53 <@beetcoin> hello 00:53 Hello @beetcoin, Welcome to #hardfought 01:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:20 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:40 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 02:42 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:52 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:55 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:15 -!- Guest15865 has joined #hardfought 03:17 -!- Blastin_in has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:48 K2: Where is the devnull tribute xlogfile? 03:48 K2: I thought it's https://www.hardfought.org/devnull/xlogfiles.dnt, but that one doesn't exist. 04:08 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 04:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 04:09 -!- Tangles_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:20 -!- Guest15865 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:21 -!- Guest15865 has joined #hardfought 04:33 -!- Guest15865 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:58 -!- beetcoin has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 06:07 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 06:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:21 Mandevil https://www.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/dn36/xlogfile 07:21 ah thats us server only i think 07:26 here we go Mandevil - https://www.hardfought.org/devnull/xlogfiles/xlogfile.dnt 07:30 K2: Thanks. 08:13 aosdict, is it intended that xnethack bustling town can have a general store with two doors? 08:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:13 it's not a mimic; I can pass through the second door and be welcomed when I return 08:14 jilles: let me spectate... 08:14 ok yes this is a phenomenon that occurs in vanilla sometimes 08:14 (you're jt right?) 08:15 yes 08:15 the door is at the border of the town area displayed on the wiki 08:16 anyway, the cause of this: it generates the cavernous level, then plops down the special level layout. on occasion this can generate a "room" behind the wall of a shop, and the level failsafes place a door there so if someone randomly falls into that area or something you won't be stuck. 08:16 it's not intelligent enough to determine whether it's a shop room that it's stuck behind. 08:17 anyway, it shouldn't be that much of a problem in game... just make sure you don't walk out that door with unpaid stuff, the shk will get mad (might yell at you first though) 08:19 (or do) 08:19 Lymia: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-07-04 11:58 EDT: ah you encountered a bebelith, those are from dnethack, and their melee attacks disintegrate you: that will destroy the body armor you're currently wearing, or if you are wearing none, you die. RIP :( 08:19 (and get a headstart on the shopkeep!) 08:19 Lymia: it's a small closed chamber. not very useful for escaping 08:19 ah 08:19 I guess you could find a pick and dig through the wall of the next room... 08:20 and that is the largest such chamber I've ever seen; usually it's like one square 08:33 <[Demo][srn]1> I've never seen a two door shop in 3.4.3 08:38 <@Tone> Don't think I've ever noticed that either actually. It must be pretty uncommon 08:39 AFAIK it was still possible in bustling town in 3.4.3. None of the level generation code changed and neither did Bustling Town itself. 08:39 and it is definitely possible in 3.6.1 because it happened in one of my games there 08:51 -!- dizzylizzy has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:16 -!- Guest15865 has joined #hardfought 09:21 -!- Guest15865 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:49 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 09:53 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:05 <[Demo][srn]1> what does it look like? 10:06 <[Demo][srn]1> can someone share a pic or do a reenactment of the double shk doors? 10:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:52507 10:16 -!- Guest15865 has joined #hardfought 10:21 -!- Guest15865 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:55 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 10:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 10:56 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:59 <[Demo][srn]1> anyone know of any languages in which you can describe the 2010s without it being like a weird kinda deal like 2010s is just weird 11:01 <@escargott'em> Gain energy has been kinda rare this game, not sure whether to dip a full stack of healing or just dip my two extra healing 11:01 Or dip the healing in speed as normal? 11:01 <@escargott'em> You guys actually find speed potions? :O 11:02 They're incredibly common. 11:02 <@escargott'em> Not for me apparently, I've seen maybe two this game 11:02 Excellent, then you have two available for dipping. 11:02 <@escargott'em> I assume it's never worth it to alchemize with gain level, except maybe end game where you can't use them anyway 11:03 <@escargott'em> I found them a long time ago, I've since used them 11:03 Yes, a stack of full healing is worth more than one gain level. 11:03 Used them for _what_? 11:03 <[Demo][srn]1> gain level is pretty useless for most roles once you hit 14 11:03 <@escargott'em> I haven't seen a speed since before castle 11:03 <[Demo][srn]1> just hold onto like a few cursed ones 11:03 <@escargott'em> Cursed gain level seems really useful and convenient for geh 11:04 feed them to your pets then take a back seat for the rest of the game 11:04 <@escargott'em> And it's an instant get out of jail free card even on no teleport levels 11:04 <[Demo][srn]1> pets r dumb the only pets i love are my friends the squirmies 11:04 So, again, what did you use them for? 11:04 feed 'em wraiths 11:04 <@escargott'em> Probably on healing, it was a long time ago 11:04 <[Demo][srn]1> squirmies love to eat wraiths! 11:05 'nom 'nom 'nom 11:05 <[Demo][srn]1> squirmy vs votd... squirmy vs sanctum friends 11:05 <[Demo][srn]1> always get a good number of squirmies, turn off any auto search, and call squirmies to you and have one land and eat the sanctum priests 11:05 It seems unusual to have alchemised two separate stacks of healing and be trying to do a third one, but... I'd hang onto it until another speed or GE emerges, unless you're about to make the final push. 11:06 <@escargott'em> You can't alchemize more than 8 at a time I thought 11:06 1-N, where max N = 9 11:06 Oh, yeah, 3.6 land. Well, then you've got ~12 PoFH, at least 11:07 <@escargott'em> I used them all for health :p 11:07 <[Demo][srn]1> hey wait a minute 11:07 <@escargott'em> Now I'm starting to think I might want to save some 11:07 <[Demo][srn]1> can you get infinite health via stasis? 11:08 <[Demo][srn]1> via slow digestion and prayer or whatever 11:08 <[Demo][srn]1> what determines prayer rewards again? 11:08 <@escargott'em> Anyway, all this is far out of the scope of my question, which was answered anyway 11:09 <[Demo][srn]1> ok so damn, its luck based 11:10 <@escargott'em> You can be crowned from any prayer if your luck and alignment is high enough? 11:10 <@rikersan> yep 11:10 <[Demo][srn]1> gotta keep luck in the right zone 11:10 <[Demo][srn]1> but yeah that would be a risk 11:11 <[Demo][srn]1> wait wonder if 3 luck is enough 11:11 <[Demo][srn]1> oh wait you dont need any luck? 11:12 <@rikersan> for corwning? 11:12 <@rikersan> you should 11:12 <@Tone> Are you talking about dnh? 11:13 <@Tone> You'd need your prayers for nutrition in vanilla 11:13 <@rikersan> I thought you needed luck for crowning always 11:13 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 72178 points, T:25428, petrified by a chickatrice 11:14 <[Demo][srn]1> yes in vanilla you can keep luck below crowning but in golden zone 11:14 <@Tone> Oh but with enough luck it will fix problems and grant a favor 11:16 <[Demo][srn]1> favor uses luck lookup 11:16 <[Demo][srn]1> 8+ needed for crowning in vanilla 11:16 isn't it 10+? 11:16 <[Demo][srn]1> with luck 3 max lookup number is 4 11:16 <[Demo][srn]1> idk wiki could be lying? 11:17 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18 I thought the 3.4.3-era advice (not that the prayer boon system in 3.6.1 changed at all) was to drop your luckstone (13 -> 10) then break a mirror or jump in Sokoban (10->9 or 8) to ensure you will NOT get crowned. 11:18 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 11:19 <[Demo][srn]1> the lookup isnt just your luck 11:19 <[Demo][srn]1> 1d(Luck/2 + 3) (With Luck/2 rounded down) 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:18477 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:18477 11:19 right, it's randomized on top of that 11:22 <@IceBox> intrinsic protection (bought from a priest) gives AC and +1 MC? 11:23 the +1 MC stacks with absolutely nothing so you're unlikely to notice it unless you're nudist 11:23 it could be expressed as, AC and 1 MC if you have no other MC sources 11:24 whereas =oProt will at least stack with other MC sources 11:34 -!- beetcoin has joined #hardfought 11:37 <@escargott'em> What's the best way to train a purple worm :p 11:41 <@rikersan> demo you broke ring reading 11:42 letting it eat wraithes, surely? 11:42 <@rikersan> in ndnh 11:42 <@rikersan> also you nerfed chromatic deargon right 11:49 yes, but the chromatic dragon isn't :P 11:50 <@rikersan> i don't spell great ok 12:11 -!- Guest15865 has joined #hardfought 12:23 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:23 -!- Guest15865 has quit [Changing host] 12:23 -!- Guest15865 has joined #hardfought 12:23 -!- Guest15865 is now known as stenno 12:36 <@escargott'em> Finally, purple worm.. If it was easier to train these things I'd be laying so many eggs right now 12:36 <@escargott'em> Oh wait poly made me male now, no more eggs for me 12:36 <@rikersan> writing cursed geno doesn't work? 12:37 <@escargott'em> I might do that, I found two taming scrolls 12:37 <@rikersan> cursed genoing wraiths or just letting it romp the VOTD are the 2 general methods, iirc 12:37 <@rikersan> but you can also just not train them and only spawn them on astral or smth 12:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:23338 12:48 <@escargott'em> Yeah I should have tried to get it to adult before valley 12:51 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:09 Beholder: sup dude :D 13:09 LarienTelrunya: Message from Mandevil at 2018-07-05 08:21 EDT: I need xlogfile, and I also don't want to change things in NHS every other day because of your variant -- so it should be reasonable stable as far as xlogfile data are concerned. 13:09 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-07-05 12:45 EDT: lol did I say that? that souunds like me but i do'nt remember it and don't see it in discord's search 13:13 !tell Mandevil dnhslex xlogfiles should be in /slashem/games/dnhslex/xlogfiles - I'm not planning to change the parsing at all, which means it will only change if Chris changes it in regular dnethack, and then the change will be the same for both variants :) 13:13 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:24813 13:21 Pinkbeast: you're unfortunately right that item destruction in vanilla is harsh, but there is at least one variant where it's been made bearable: slex! :D In vanilla, the hundreds of fire traps in Gehennom will always insta-kaboom your potion of full healing with laser point accuracy, even if the actual chance is "only" something like 33%. 13:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of protection", on T:24832 13:23 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1093 points, T:1479, killed by falling downstairs 13:23 !tell rikersan ah that was in the dnethack etherpad (the loadstone-slex reference I mean) :D 13:23 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 13:24 <@rikersan> oh that sounds right 13:24 @rikersan: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-07-06 13:23 EDT: ah that was in the dnethack etherpad (the loadstone-slex reference I mean) :D 13:24 yaaaaaaay hi rikersan! play DNHslex! *bundlebundlebundle* ♥ 13:24 <@rikersan> no 13:24 <@rikersan> I value my sanity 13:24 aww, why not? it's great! 13:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:24837 13:24 <@rikersan> see above message 13:25 <@rikersan> no but seriously, I'm gonna try to implement an arti idea i had a while back (aegis on the etherpad) 13:25 but it's dnethack with shooooooes, and you like dnethack! 13:25 <@rikersan> yes but I'm in the mode to code not to play rn 13:25 <@rikersan> I've played a lot recently and i just kinda need a break 13:26 <@rikersan> maybe also almagest 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:24844 13:27 <@rikersan> amy if I make the PR to your repo will you add it to dnhslex? 13:27 <@rikersan> (instead of having to wait 5 months for chris to notice on dnao) 13:28 uhh, not sure, I guess if it causes you to play DNHslex I might just do it ♥ 13:28 Hold on 13:28 Is DNHslex an actual thing 13:28 but why does Chris need so long to notice that he has a pull request? 13:28 <@rikersan> oh yes 13:28 <@rikersan> i don't fucking know 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of protection", on T:24874 13:28 <@rikersan> but yes pavel it's a thing 13:28 <@rikersan> its' literally dnh but forked by amy and with some more slexy stuff 13:29 I see 13:29 <@rikersan> so it's up-to-date with dnh's dev version so it's playable 13:29 And when was this created? 13:29 rikersan: actually, that can be a reason for it being only barely playable, because the development version may have unknown bugs 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:24890 13:29 on the bright side, we're providing beta testing for Chris that way :D 13:30 <@rikersan> uh-huh 13:30 aren't all the new slex monsters added to it incompatible with The Great Reflagging? 13:31 (Can I get a link to the repo for dnhslex please) 13:31 aosdict: the only slex monsters I added are the shoes, and it took many hours to change the slex flags to dnethack's annoying reflag flags, but it was so worth it! 13:31 also, many of them used attack types that either don't exist in dnethack at all or aren't coded to do anything, but I coded all of that stuff too :D 13:32 for example, hallucination attacks. In vanilla only black lights use them, and always as an explosion, so AD_HALU only has code in explmu() but not in e.g. hitmu() for general melee attacks. 13:35 !tell Chris_ANG hmm, if I start a new character and use #overview, it just gives a blank line and --More--, shouldn't it at least display "The Dungeons of Doom: level 1 <--- You are here"? 13:35 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 13:38 All right, setting off on bike trip and turning off my IRC client. Will probably be around here and there via mobile IRC for the next week and a half, but if something goes wrong in xnethack... too bad. 13:39 (I'm trialing irccloud, aos_ is the altnick) 13:43 lol the new dnethack still has the loot loophole (loothole :P) 13:44 <@escargott'em> There's plenty of android and ios ides and ssh applications I can link you, you can keep maintaining it while on vacation, don't worry 13:45 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 13:45 aos_: IRCCloud is excellent 13:46 I should probably change my profile pic now that someone else can actually see it though :P 13:46 lol apparently dnethack wards will also ward off the player's pets; this hobbit demonstrated that by dropping a dagger on death that scares my little dog 13:49 why is it worth mentioning whether an animal in dnethack is "snouted"? 13:49 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:50 Q: Yeah, but if a monster doesn't have a snout, then how does it smell? 13:50 A: Terrible! 13:50 :D so skunks don't have a snout? 13:51 whaaaaat dnethack made it so that eating a sewer rat makes me nauseated??? WTF 13:51 Seems reasonable 13:52 stun is such a terrible status effect, one should really give killer bees a ranged stun attack to screw over the player early on :P 13:52 locals here catch and eat the river rats 13:52 roasted on a stick, yum 13:53 that monty python reference 13:54 In fact it was when I was going with a friend to inspect his rat traps that I got bitten by a giant centipede on my left heel 13:55 It seems that I didn't have poison resistance :C 13:55 I'd rather have giant spiders in my house than giant centipedes... 13:56 (not that I had either of those in the first place, but if I had to choose I'd want spiders) 13:56 I'd move out 13:57 ^ 13:57 Depends on the kind of centipedes. North American "house centipedes" would be preferable. Some of the other kinds not so much. 13:57 by "giant centipede" I mean something between 20-35cm long 13:57 Ah. 13:58 the experience gave me new ways to describe pain 13:58 I was thinking "honey I shrunk the kids" enlarged versions of normal centipedes. 13:58 their venom includes a potent neurotoxin, very painful 13:58 I was thinking this thing: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Arthropleura 13:59 Yeah, Asian-style enormous venemous centipedes are not nice. 13:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:00 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scolopendra_gigantea 14:01 jonadab, those are the ones 14:02 Or this baby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethmostigmus_rubripes 14:02 Lots of fun to be had there, I'm sure. 14:02 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: muahaha I don't have to fix xnh bugs for a week] 14:02 <[Demo][srn]1> i kinda wanna do a hella health exploit on nao on 3.6.1 14:03 <[Demo][srn]1> but the setup would require playing through to castle 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:55354 14:03 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1855 points, T:5130, killed by a gas cloud 14:03 [Demo][srn]1: you can now try to find exploits in DNHslex, which is based on the development version of dnethack ;) 14:03 *stroking bundle* ♥ 14:03 <[Demo][srn]1> did u merge with the latest version? 14:04 yes, it's 3.16.1 14:04 if you find bugs and they're not obviously dnhslex-caused, report them to Chris :) 14:04 <[Demo][srn]1> ive been going through the commits for that that i selected after they were pushed that fixed bugs 14:04 <[Demo][srn]1> and been patching them over to ndnh 14:04 <[Demo][srn]1> and ive already found 3 that are shit 14:04 <[Demo][srn]1> like they are bugged 14:04 <[Demo][srn]1> 3 bug fix commits out of like 20 that cause more bugs 14:05 really? any critical ones among them, as in segfaulting? 14:05 <[Demo][srn]1> possibly 14:05 <[Demo][srn]1> not sure 14:05 but the glib glob segfault is fixed I hope? 14:05 <[Demo][srn]1> would have to test 14:05 <[Demo][srn]1> that was fixed in 3.16.0 14:05 ah 14:05 <[Demo][srn]1> post compat 14:06 LarienTelrunya: Can you link me to DNHSlex? 14:06 PavelB: https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex and it can also be played on the em.slashem.me server 14:07 changelog: https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/blob/devel-3.16.1/history.txt 14:07 <[Demo][srn]1> oh wait 14:07 <[Demo][srn]1> 4 issues 14:07 <[Demo][srn]1> out of the like 20 ive looked at 14:07 [Demo][srn]1: you should make a list or message storm Chris about them ;) 14:07 K2: DNHSlex on hdf when? 14:08 <[Demo][srn]1> ive messaged him 14:08 ah 14:08 <[Demo][srn]1> in dnethack channel 14:08 aww, so I don't have backscroll to see what the bugs are :/ 14:08 * PavelB would still like to know what bundlebundlebundle means 14:08 PavelB: You'll be sorry you asked. 14:09 You know, I've probably asked a dozen times by now, and I'm not sorry yet. 14:09 Ah, you escaped actually getting an answer then. 14:10 <[Demo][srn]1> https://pastebin.com/raw/CLurdMm2 LarienTelrunya 14:10 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 14:11 <[Demo][srn]1> oh neat 14:11 <[Demo][srn]1> it does segfault! 14:11 [Demo][srn]1: thanks! broken goodpos? that sounds pretty bad, does it mean teleport can deposit you in lava? 14:11 <[Demo][srn]1> no 14:11 <[Demo][srn]1> havent tested yet tbh but from reading it looks like lethe water levels wont put monsters over water 14:11 jonadab: I think I'd rather know 14:11 <[Demo][srn]1> and u cant teleport onto it 14:11 <[Demo][srn]1> and a lot of brokenassery 14:11 how does the segfault happen? 14:11 <[Demo][srn]1> the book one 14:12 <[Demo][srn]1> reread a spellbook you already know the ward on 14:12 <@Tone> Those centipedes look terrifying 14:12 <[Demo][srn]1> oh cool autorecover works 14:12 <[Demo][srn]1> that's like a 50/50 on each new build lol 14:12 yep crashes in dnhslex too, good call 14:12 gonna fix that right now :) 14:14 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:14 now I regret not keeping dnhslex-travis pointed to #dnethack where Chris would see the fix :P but I guess I shouldn't spam his channel without getting permission 14:15 <[Demo][srn]1> the advantage of manually taking bug fixes is that i have to atually look at shit 14:15 fix installed, works :D 14:15 thanks! 14:15 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 14:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:18 I still maintain my notion that dnethack puts the lost tomb waaaaaaay too early, no XL5 character will be able to handle a lich that becomes invisible and destroys your armor and all that shit 14:18 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Tou Hum Mal Cha), 252 points, T:940, killed by a kobold zombie 14:19 it already was like that in very early dnethack versions, and back then I thought it was a joke because it's clearly ripped from SLASH'EM where it was placed at a sane depth 14:20 <@escargott'em> Do shop keepers get mad about invisibility? Or do they just nag about it and block the door? 14:21 <@escargott'em> I'm getting tired of swapping the mummy wrapping, would rather just teleport in :p 14:21 they just block the door (annoyingly enough even if you are inside the shop, unless you play certain variants) 14:22 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 14:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:23 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Tou Hum Mal Cha), 378 points, T:962, killed by a housecat called Ernest 14:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:26 -!- stenno is now known as Guest62873 14:27 <[Demo][srn]1> it puts them at a random level between castle and like, dlvl5 14:27 <[Demo][srn]1> if you will die if you go there, dont go there 14:27 <[Demo][srn]1> my lvl 1 anachrononaut could easily handle that shit though 14:27 -!- Guest62873 has quit [Changing host] 14:27 -!- Guest62873 has joined #hardfought 14:27 -!- Guest62873 is now known as stenno 14:28 irccloud test 14:29 !tell Chris_ANG while hallucinating, I'm still somehow capable of recognizing whether something is a "small snouted animal" or "human-sized humanoid" or something else. Maybe you want to hallu-garble those too :D 14:29 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 14:30 !ping 14:30 aos_: Pong! 14:32 I really appreciate IRCCloud's ability to use the same nick from multiple devices at the same time 14:32 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:33 warum gehen die Wolfsburger gern ins Sonnenstudio? wegen de bruyne 14:34 whats irccloud? 14:34 <[Demo][srn]1> some botnet probably 14:34 <@escargott'em> Why not just use a plain old bouncer 14:34 oh a client 14:34 It's a web-based IRC service. I think dtype uses it? 14:34 client with integrated bouncer? 14:34 <@escargott'em> Then you can use whatever client you want depending on the platform or whatever, all using the same name 14:34 or bouncer with web interface 14:34 Something like that. 14:34 ah ok 14:35 It looks really nice, too 14:35 I think it also bundles some additional services, like image hosting. 14:35 It also comes with the entirely pointless feature of letting you see a profile pic 14:35 jonadab: such a lovely bundle ♥ 14:35 <[Demo][srn]1> i like my discord integration best :P 14:35 This can be seen only by others using IRCCloud and that enable user pics, off by default 14:35 oh meh 14:36 LarienTelrunya: don't make me sing. 14:36 i am not exactly a power irc user anyway 14:36 No one wants that. 14:36 jonadab: what would you sing? polka songs? :D 14:36 Yeah it does have image hosting, also snippet hosting for code blocks and stuff. 14:36 LarienTelrunya: There's a song called "five blind jellyfish"... 14:36 It also inlines youtube videos, images, github gists, pastebins, and other kinds of content, which is nice. 14:37 It's generally a really good IRC client 14:37 <[Demo][srn]1> sounds like my ghetto discord setup if it was slightly less ghetto 14:37 ooh nice its writte in erlang 14:37 from the guy who programmed last.fm 14:37 not bad 14:40 <@rikersan> jonadab: I've only heard it as 3 blind jellyfish, TIL it's 5 14:41 @rikersan: It's five, then four, then three, then two, then one blind jellyfish, and at this point the audience wants to strangle you, but maybe they refrain and try to be patient, because it's the last one. 14:41 But then the last one jumps off the rock too, and it's "no blind jellyfish" for another verse, and now they are about to have a coronary. 14:42 <[Demo][srn]1> lol , sounds like the monk story 14:42 And then you get to the end of the verse and go "And one jumped back on. Yay!" and start singing "one blind jellyfish" again, and someone makes a physical attempt to render you incapable of further singing. 14:45 It is truly glorious in its epic level of horrificness. 14:46 Also, the IRCCloud mobile apps support colors and formatting 14:46 <[Demo][srn]1> sounds great to me 14:46 <[Demo][srn]1> 5 blind jellyfish, not irccloud not because irccloud sounds bad but because it just cant compete 14:46 (I mean, the webapp *displays* colors, but the mobile app lets you send messages in color) 14:58 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:37160 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:37824 15:21 i don't know any client that doesn't support some sort of colors 15:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:38039 15:27 <[Demo][srn]1> demo's ghetto discord setup 15:28 apart from demos ghetto discord setup 15:29 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:29 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:29 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 15:34 <@IceBox> if i haven't found a certain scroll by now (already in gehennom) what's the best way to get it? 15:34 <@IceBox> it's just enchant weapon...so not worth wishing i would think 15:34 polypiling? 15:35 <@IceBox> i dont really have many excess scrolls either, and already polypiled a few while i was going for a ring of lev 15:35 <@IceBox> here are all my scrolls so far 15:35 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/464877038008795137/unknown.png 15:35 <@IceBox> very low game, overall 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:56935 15:36 yeah i'd go with polypiling too 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "cursed magic marker", on T:56936 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:56937 15:36 !who 15:36 PavelB: [hdf-us] mightyquinn [sp] Eleven [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] IceBox [nh361] 15:36 PavelB: [hdf-eu] No current players 15:36 PavelB: [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361] 15:41 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:39478 15:51 <@escargott'em> Which of those scrolls would you poly though 15:52 light, detect foo, uncursed teleport if I couldn't curse it 15:52 fire (except 1 emergency in case of slime) 15:53 enchant weapon if the weapons I actually use are fully enchanted 15:54 identify if I can cast it 15:54 non-cursed destroy armor 15:55 (cursed destroy armor if everything is fooproofed is better to blank in order to write teleport/genocide) 15:56 create monster 15:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:40028 15:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:40030 15:58 can I somehow give orders to my pets in dnethack? they don't seem to attack peacefuls 15:58 I usually just blank either my biggest stack of teleport scrolls, or my biggest stack of create monster scrolls, amd tjat 15:58 *and that's usually enough. 15:58 LarienTelrunya: Attack the peacefuls yourself, and see if your pets will imitate you. 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:40085 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40207 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40210 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:40229 16:03 hi 16:03 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 16:04 omg how are you supposed to play the bard in dnethack? you can't play music at all while wearing a shield??? 16:06 <[Demo][srn]1> i certainly have issues with dnh bard 16:06 <[Demo][srn]1> its not very fun or strong 16:06 <[Demo][srn]1> lategame if you get the right pets it is nice 16:06 Dang, can't you even sing a bawdy limerick? 16:06 <[Demo][srn]1> if you think you are gonna be all bardy early game you are wrong 16:06 <[Demo][srn]1> unless being bardy means being dead 16:06 well I'm a half-dragon bard, so at least I started with a pet dragon, but the songs seem to be useless even if I theoretically could play them 16:07 is there no song that heals the pet or, I dunno, does something useful? 16:07 <@rikersan> yes 16:07 <@rikersan> but hlf dragons start with shit songs 16:07 <[Demo][srn]1> get singing pets and strong pets and build up beast mastery 16:07 <@rikersan> (drums haev those) 16:07 <@rikersan> but they're the best bard IMO, wish prem heart and you're basically a monk with body armor 16:08 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 16:08 <[Demo][srn]1> just play like a glorified tourist 16:08 so the bard is just as useless as it is in all other RPGs that feature bards (e.g. ToME), got it :D 16:09 <@rikersan> no no no 16:09 <@rikersan> it's kinda OP 16:09 <@rikersan> the 1 bad thing is it's basically impossible to skip demogorgon 16:09 the only game that has a bard-like class that's actually kind of good is Elona, with the pianist role 16:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10 <[Demo][srn]1> so slex isnt good lol 16:10 slex's bard role sucks, yes 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "", on T:40925 16:10 <@rikersan> ok 16:10 the trouble with bards, whatever the RPG game, is they are like a bit of a fighter and a bit of a mage 16:10 <[Demo][srn]1> yeah 16:10 <@rikersan> bards in dnh are basically AoE mages yeah 16:10 but basically pretty shit at both while being great at neither 16:10 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 16:11 <[Demo][srn]1> they are 100% trouble maker 16:11 <@rikersan> I've always ended up with prem heart + eurynome or mirror brand tho 16:11 <@rikersan> also I recently learned eurynome buffs the shit out of your attacks, they count as monster attacks >:D no blunt wep resis 16:11 <[Demo][srn]1> that is new 16:12 <@rikersan> yeah it's great 16:12 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:12 <@rikersan> hlf claws count as slashing and blunt as well 16:13 so I guess I shouldn't even bother with a dagger or other wimpy weapon and just use marital arts all the time? 16:13 <@rikersan> yes 16:13 <@rikersan> not as hlf 16:14 <@rikersan> if you're female you can sacfest for sickle moon at least 16:14 how do farm implements work, are they like polearms or can you melee with them? 16:14 <@rikersan> no 16:14 <@rikersan> just meleee 16:14 <@rikersan> sickle is 1 hand, scythe is 2 16:17 this pet dragon is so dumb and breathes poison gas at a monster that is immune 16:17 is the dragon too stupid to check the pokedex? 16:18 <@rikersan> yes 16:19 aww, Minetown altar isn't coaligned 16:19 stenno, jonadab: irccloud rocks 16:20 is like a znc you have *all* the time and don't have to host your own crap 16:20 also has nice iphone/android clients 16:20 so you get buzzed on nick highlights 24x7 16:20 <[Demo][srn]1> oh i just remembered a dream i had about polearms 16:20 <[Demo][srn]1> i was able to like hit multiple monsters at once with them it was weird 16:22 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 16:22 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 415138 points, T:58175, killed by a nurse 16:23 heh, I had a dream about slex today, where I successfully recruited one of teamsplat's members to help me get a trophy for my own clan 16:25 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25 <[Demo][srn]1> im so sad though 16:25 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 16:25 <[Demo][srn]1> cause in my dream the mechanic worked and was awesome and i thought to myself, man im gonna add this to ndnh 16:25 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 16:26 did it work similar to cleaver in some modern variants? 16:26 <[Demo][srn]1> no 16:26 <[Demo][srn]1> it didnt work in a way that is a thing in nethack 16:26 <[Demo][srn]1> i cant describe how it worked 16:26 <[Demo][srn]1> it didnt work in a way that can be described because it wasnt real 16:27 aww 16:27 <[Demo][srn]1> it made sense in the dream but i dont think it was anything that made sense 16:27 <[Demo][srn]1> and it felt awesome to use 16:27 <[Demo][srn]1> was cutting down stupid deep ones 16:28 <@escargott'em> I meant which of the scrolls that he actually has posted in the image would you poly :p 16:28 well wouldn't you be able to implement something similar though, i.e. something that allows polearms to hit several targets in range? 16:29 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 16:29 <[Demo][srn]1> this did like lines i think 16:29 maybe the pole could fly in an arc similar to the boomerang and hit all monsters that are 2 tiles in a straight line away (and all that are a knights move away too if skilled) 16:29 <[Demo][srn]1> i guess if you could select two spots 16:29 <[Demo][srn]1> and it slashes in a line between the two 16:29 ah 16:30 well, doesn't sound impossible to implement... 16:30 <[Demo][srn]1> no but trying to figure out a star pathing algorithm 16:30 <[Demo][srn]1> so not gonna do that now 16:31 maybe you could start by giving polearms the boost they received in SLASH'EM, because that boost is very ♥ 16:31 :D 16:32 lol my half-dragon bard is somehow able to smell a yellow light 16:32 <[Demo][srn]1> most likely going to do that 16:32 synesthesia? 16:32 <[Demo][srn]1> black lights matter 16:32 <[Demo][srn]1> wait i was gonna add that as a tshirt 16:32 haha I added that as a shirt message in slex :D 16:33 <[Demo][srn]1> ok looks like its going right under "Defund slex development" 16:33 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/master/src/read.c (there's some others inspired by you in there, too) 16:33 will add that new one too :) 16:34 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 16:34 Is it intentional that the HHGTTH, Ranma, and Animaniacs messages are duped? 16:34 ... oh, and osme of the others 16:35 Pinkbeast: oh they are? I thought I went through them to remove duplicates... 16:35 <[Demo][srn]1> man theres some dumb stuff from me i forgot i said 16:36 <[Demo][srn]1> god its so annoying trying to use sublime text after months of using like nothing but vim 16:36 "I captured the t-shirt factory, anyone who kill every last caveman gets 9 +9 t-shirts", ":-)" also seem duped besides the ones at the start 16:37 man I should fix that 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:26994 16:46 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:47 <@escargott'em> Anyone with an rc with the important -more-s for dangerous text? 16:48 <[Demo][srn]1> k2 has good rc files usually 16:48 <[Demo][srn]1> afaik he hasnt trapped them yet 16:48 <@rikersan> I've got 16:48 <@rikersan> ## msgtype MSGTYPE=stop "You are slowing down." MSGTYPE=stop "You find it hard to breathe." MSGTYPE=stop "You are turning a little .*" 16:48 <[Demo][srn]1> waiting for him to start booby trapping them now that ive said a number of times i use them 16:49 <[Demo][srn]1> cause i know thats what id do if i could come up with an amusing way to do it 16:50 <@rikersan> use like a super simple regex 16:50 <@rikersan> if it matches 'cka', hide 16:50 <@escargott'em> Tone has a million of them https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/toneLive/nh343/toneLive.nh343rc 16:50 <@rikersan> if it matches 'slo', hide 16:51 <@escargott'em> Maybe I'll just add them all and remove them as they get annoying :p 16:52 <[Demo][srn]1> hmmm pathing algorithms for enemies that can move anywhere X amount around them is really just a dumb circle problem i think 16:53 <@escargott'em> K2 has a bunch too 16:53 <[Demo][srn]1> i use k2s shit and im waiting for it to bite me in the ass 16:54 <[Demo][srn]1> because usually getting bit in the ass is a thing that happens when u take shit without reading it 16:54 <@escargott'em> He has a stop for 'you die of starvation' :p 16:54 <[Demo][srn]1> stop and laugh 16:54 <[Demo][srn]1> (for the viewers) 16:54 <@escargott'em> And a couple other deaths 17:00 <[Demo][srn]1> does nethack's monster pathfinding use goodpos? 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:27674 17:06 <[Demo][srn]1> when possible always use an and check instead of an or check? 17:10 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 17:18 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Tou Hum Mal Cha), 19486 points, T:16018, killed by a dingo 17:39 I use a slightly modified version of aosdict's .xnethackrc 17:41 [Demo][srn]1: How long are you gonna keep your clan tag in your nick? I think you're the only one left. 17:41 <@rikersan> prolly involves editing his discord bot 17:41 <@rikersan> so a long ass time 17:43 .oO(Why use an awful discord hack when you can use rld) 17:43 <@rikersan> because his connects to a ton of channels 17:43 <@rikersan> dnethack, slashem.me, hardfought, couple others iirc 17:43 Oh yeah, right 17:43 Who runs rld, anyway? 17:45 <@rikersan> mtf 17:45 <@rikersan> admin for this discord server 17:45 <[Demo][srn]1> when i feel like restarting my bot 17:45 <[Demo][srn]1> or it crashes 17:45 <[Demo][srn]1> also rld is for fucking proles 17:46 <@rikersan> that's a new word 17:49 <@rikersan> tfw you realize the 2 artifacts with cool directional invokes both come from sailor moon 17:49 <@rikersan> don't know how to feel aobut htis 17:49 <@rikersan> (silence glaive and garnet rod) 17:51 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG idea, the silence glaive has an actual impenetrable shield on up invoke (more true to source) instead of just protection. maybe blocks all attacks for 5/10 turns? 17:51 Will do, @rikersan! 17:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:31824 17:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Kni Clk Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2844 17:55 <[Demo][srn]1> welp javascript broke oh well 17:57 [Demo][srn]1: I'm actually curious about your setup, can you send a screenshot of how it looks in Discord? 17:57