00:02 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 00:04 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 00:26 -!- callforjudgement has joined #hardfought 00:26 -!- ais523 has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:26 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais523 00:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3334 00:58 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 01:00 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 01:01 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:03 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 01:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:16 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 01:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] Silver2195 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7860 points, T:11034, killed by a mumak 01:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:18 ... and so it was written in the Book of Grasshopper 02:20 !commands 02:20 Grasshopper: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 02:42 Grasshopper: congrats! 02:53 thanks Elronnd 02:56 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 03:00 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:11 -!- Guest15865 has joined #hardfought 03:22 !tell rikersan lol @ "Why does he even have a loadstone attack, only SLEX is allowed to have stupid things like that" :P 03:22 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 03:39 Evil Patch idea: give killer bees a ranged stun attack. 04:02 -!- Guest15865 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:07 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 05:10 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:10 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 05:10 !scores 05:10 Grasshopper: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/scoreboard (HDF) or https://scoreboard.xd.cm (ALL) 05:54 !tell Tariru Did you ever consider trying out DNHslex? It's a variant of dnethack playable on the em.slashem.me server, and if you were to ascend it, bhaak might be more likely to include it in next junethack ♥ 05:54 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:56 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 05:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 05:56 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:13 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:18 !tell Mandevil is there a chance for your scoreboard to track DNHslex (hosted on the em.slashem.me server)? if yes, what are the requirements? probably xlogfile location and some other stuff? 06:18 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 06:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:44 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 06:47 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 06:48 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:13 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:18 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 07:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:38194 07:29 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 07:32 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:44 !tell @luxidream Yes for discord users, !tell will just spam the messages to the channel as always. 07:44 Will do, Tangles_! 07:56 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:16 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 36107 points, T:3545, killed by a bolt of cold 08:18 . 08:18 Mandevil: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-07-05 06:18 EDT: is there a chance for your scoreboard to track DNHslex (hosted on the em.slashem.me server)? if yes, what are the requirements? probably xlogfile location and some other stuff? 08:21 !tell LarienTelrunya I need xlogfile, and I also don't want to change things in NHS every other day because of your variant -- so it should be reasonable stable as far as xlogfile data are concerned. 08:21 Will do, Mandevil! 08:26 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 261168 points, T:47156, killed by a Grey-elf 08:41 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 30145 points, T:2281, poisoned by a killer bee 08:50 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 21552 points, T:1526, killed by a Ms. Pakka Pakka, the shopkeeper 08:52 Heh, this is funny https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/30/nethack_to_drop_support_for_floppy_disks_amiga_16bit_dos_and_os2/ 08:54 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 27324 points, T:1644, killed by a pony 08:56 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 13434 points, T:546, killed by a jackal 09:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:11 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 09:15 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:17 elenmirie: I'm wondering who would bother writing that. 09:19 Simon Sharwood at The Register, obviously! :D 09:21 Hedging his bets with "rouguelike" I see 09:27 <[Demo][srn]1> The quantity wish chart on the wiki seems wrong 09:30 <@Tone> Interesting Oracle level in the thumbnail there 09:40 @Tone what's so interesting about it? 09:40 oh I'm not looking at the other rooms 09:40 [Demo][srn]1: It looks right to me 09:41 ... no, it doesn't 09:41 <[Demo][srn]1> how is the average of 3 quantity gonna be 2 if you have a 1/2 chance of getting 3? 09:41 <[Demo][srn]1> everything between 2 and 6 is wrong 09:41 Because you have a 1/2 chance of getting 1. 09:41 1/2 * 1 + 1/2 * 3 == 2 09:42 <[Demo][srn]1> Oh right yeah 09:42 "no, it doesn't" is me making the same error :-) 09:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:47 <@Tone> aosdict Yeah, the giant scroll shop and (presumably) barracks 09:47 <[Demo][srn]1> why is the barrack so full? 09:48 <@Tone> They always are 09:48 <[Demo][srn]1> no empty line on a side? 09:48 <@Tone> or is there a free row usually? I know some special rooms have that 09:49 <[Demo][srn]1> I think so? 09:49 <[Demo][srn]1> might be a newer thing 09:59 -!- Joonaa has joined #hardfought 10:00 anyway, that looks more like an edited screenshot or some random patch, certainly not in vanilla 10:01 <[Demo][srn]1> has oracle always been no mkroom fun? 10:01 the oracle level specifies all of its exact rooms and none of them are special rooms apart from the Oracle's chamber 10:33 -!- aos has joined #hardfought 10:33 -!- aos is now known as aos_ 11:16 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:9429 11:41 > Also on the way out is support for most K&R and pre-ANSI C features, including the Bitfield macro 11:41 Reminds me of a story my dad was just telling me the other day of how he had used a bitfield to set some flags on an object and confused the hell out of his (younger) coworkers who had never seen it before and assumed it was some new C++ 17 feature 11:43 <[Demo][srn]1> how does the bitfield macro work? 11:43 PavelB: Ha! A Crawl player who I won't name but is the absolute poster child for knowing just enough to be dangerous engaged in a complicated complaint about the source which turned out to be because he'd never seen iterated-shift as a way of taking log(2) of a number 11:43 <[Demo][srn]1> Isn't that used in NH in objects.c? 11:44 <[Demo][srn]1> I assume it just lets u specify each bit in the bitfield with a 1 or 0 11:44 Bitfields are used all over the place in NH; I think what's being deprecated is just a macro for doing it, not to be Capt. Obvious 11:45 <[Demo][srn]1> yes I mean the macro 11:45 <[Demo][srn]1> the bitfield(0,1,0,1) type deal like is that the macro? 11:45 <[Demo][srn]1> or whatever case the word bitfield is in 11:46 It's defined in global.h in at least nethack 3.1.3 11:46 I am assuming bitfields will still be used, yeah. 11:47 #define Bitfield(x,n) unsigned x:n 11:47 #define Bitfield(x,n) unsigned x:n 11:47 Whoops, mispaste sorry 11:47 I think the way it works is, you declare a struct to take up some amount of bits *not* equal to the size of a byte/short/int/long whatever, and if you have multiple of them together they get "squished" into a single value. 11:47 So you can have a struct that uses 3 bits and a struct that uses 5 bits and together they'll only take up a byte. 11:48 PavelB: what you're talking about, but with fields inside a struct. 11:48 Oh, right, that. Yes, NetHack uses that in a number of places. 11:48 PavelB: That's how a bitfield works, not the Bitfield macro 11:49 e.g. you have a struct with a 5-bit field and a 2-bit field and a 1-bit field and together the struct only needs to take one byte 11:49 I have no idea why they're deprecating this macro, it looks handy if you have a program full of bitfields like eg NetHack 11:50 Is there a newer, more C89 way to do it? 11:50 * Pinkbeast shurgs like someone who mostly knows NetHack's C conventions, less than useful as that is in the modern world 11:50 Pinkbeast: the reason the Bitfield macro exists is so if you don't have BITFIELDS defined, all the fields of a struct become unsigned chars instead. 11:51 s/all the fields/all the bitfields 11:51 aosdict: Oh, I see - for ancient compilers that can't do them, which is now not an issue? 11:51 presumably. 11:51 check global.h line 91 11:52 Yeah, I saw that, I just didn't really think about _why_ 11:52 config.h line 362: If your C compiler handles bitfields well (e.g., it can initialize structs containing bitfields), you can define BITFIELDS. 11:53 So yes, ancient useless compilers 11:53 No more K&R function declarations! The code golfer in me weeps. 11:54 Good for me, I might learn ANSI C if NetHack starts having it in 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:12913 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:40225 12:04 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05 -!- Guest15865 has joined #hardfought 12:10 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 12:11 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "test", on T:5090 12:26 <@IceBox> dingo carrying a wand of wishing my god 12:26 <@IceBox> did he even know what he had!? 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:5769 12:27 <[Demo][srn]1> he was unlikely carrying it 12:27 <[Demo][srn]1> unless he was polymorphed from something that would pick it up 12:28 <@IceBox> all i know is i killed a dingo and from his corpse i took a wand of wishing and it was fantastic 12:28 <[Demo][srn]1> Yeah fun death drop 12:28 <[Demo][srn]1> I support WoW death drops 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5808 12:41 <@rikersan> not bad 12:41 @rikersan: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-07-05 03:22 EDT: lol @ "Why does he even have a loadstone attack, only SLEX is allowed to have stupid things like that" :P 12:44 Physician, heal thyself 12:45 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya lol did I say that? that souunds like me but i do'nt remember it and don't see it in discord's search 12:45 Will do, @rikersan! 12:46 <@rikersan> do i look like a doctor 13:04 rikersan: well, that was addressed to Amy anyway 13:07 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 13:41 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:45 <[Demo][srn]1> god i hate taking new commits from dnh cause its so bleeding edge and i dont expect it to work 13:46 That's like, the exact opposite of my mindset 13:46 If nothing breaks it's not bleeding-edge enough 13:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:48 <[Demo][srn]1> i dont want to apply a fix that breaks more shit cause im too lazy to actually double check everything it does 13:50 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 13:50 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 13:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 13:53 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9568 13:53 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 13:58 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59 <[Demo][srn]1> what the hell is this drow house cod 13:59 <[Demo][srn]1> code 14:00 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 14:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 14:03 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 14:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:09 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 14:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:09 -!- raisse has quit [Client Quit] 14:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:09 <[Demo][srn]1> oh god, moon axes special cased to not allow wooden ones to be carved on 14:15 <@escargott'em> I have.. 9 wishes left and not sure what else to wish for.. I may as well try to reverse genocide tengu to get rid of this ctele ring, and maybe wish for gauntlets of strength? But I don't really need them 14:16 Gauntlets of power 14:17 Save 'em for emergencies. Genocide L, h (or MF MMF if dwarf), green slime, disenchanter/R, ; if you're hopelessly careless. 14:17 ... only don't do ; because the answer is not to be hopelessly careless 14:19 <@escargott'em> I wish I could reverse geno paper golems, even if that seems like a waste :p 14:19 Surely you have an infinity of junk scrolls to blank 14:19 <@escargott'em> Not anymore, I'm getting pretty low 14:19 How extraordinary, I usually find I have dozens 14:20 <@escargott'em> I probably have enough for whatever I need though 14:20 Spellbook of magic mapping (if you can cast it, don't have it) 14:20 Spellbook of 14:21 <@escargott'em> No spells 14:21 <@luxidream> I think he's a valk 14:21 @luxidream: Message from Tangles_ at 2018-07-05 07:44 EDT: Yes for discord users, !tell will just spam the messages to the channel as always. 14:21 Valks might be able to squeeze out mmapping with a +4 HoB 14:22 ... don't take my word for it, just going on vague memory 14:22 <@escargott'em> I could probably blank some tele scrolls though, I have so many tele wands, stacks of cursed ones, and never use them because of OoF 14:22 Or in vanilla of course you can just levelport down with Asmodeus 14:23 Honestly, while I've made suggestions, there is nothing wrong with "save for emergencies". 14:23 <@luxidream> 83% fail at 22 wis and level 30 14:23 <@luxidream> not worth it whatsoever 14:23 <@escargott'em> I have so many wishes though, even if I had a bunch of emergencies I wouldn't use 9 wishes before dying 14:23 Mmm, might have been before spell skils I could use it 14:24 escargott: Well, I made some other suggestions, I think you've got all I can come up with now 14:24 Oh! Ring of free action if you don't have one. 14:24 <@luxidream> ascension swag 14:24 That's actually useful, probably the best use of your second ring slot. 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law), 323935 points, T:31858, killed by brainlessness 14:31 <@escargott'em> I have that 14:31 <@rikersan> @escargott'em maybe save one non-wrest if possible for a C corpse 14:31 <@rikersan> it's a demo escape kit 14:32 <@escargott'em> I plan on saving like a three charge wish wand 14:32 <@rikersan> ok 14:32 <@escargott'em> Three wish charges seems like plenty for emergencies 14:32 <@escargott'em> I'll probably end up not using more than that 14:33 <@rikersan> yea 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided disenchanter, on T:42497 14:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:43 -!- NCommander has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 14:43 -!- NCommander has quit [Changing host] 14:43 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] Leggman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 572 points, T:1156, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 14:55 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:43051 15:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22393 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:71, killed by a jackal, while praying 15:35 <@IceBox> whats the turn count in this game drac? 15:35 <@IceBox> i feel like you're so stacked it's gotta be like 200k haha 15:52 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11293 15:55 <@IceBox> is this message ever false ^^ 15:55 <@IceBox> occassionally a cheater way of knowing that the gray stone you picked up was, in fact, the luckstone 15:57 <[Demo][srn]1> it's a big cheat 15:59 <@IceBox> k just makin sure that i cheated correctly then 😉 16:00 <@luxidream> though if you picked up the loadstone you'd probably already know 16:00 <@luxidream> :p 16:00 <@IceBox> haha i kick test for that whenever possible 16:00 <@IceBox> but makes determining luck/flint much easier 😉 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:11925 16:04 <@IceBox> @luxidream i'm about to wish for an arti weapon but you're probably gonna give me a hard time 16:04 <@luxidream> which one 16:05 <@IceBox> ...frost brand? cha barb 16:05 <@luxidream> grayswandir 16:05 <@IceBox> can i? 16:05 <@luxidream> if you're going to wish for a weapon 16:05 <@luxidream> yeah 16:05 <@IceBox> but it's lawful i thought 16:05 <@luxidream> not intelligent 16:05 <@luxidream> won't evade your grasp 16:06 <@IceBox> ah well that's great! 16:06 <@IceBox> glad i called out my impending mistake to you 16:06 <@IceBox> now to spell it correctly 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 Grayswandir", on T:11943 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3138 16:10 <@luxidream> grabbed the wow in 11m 16:10 <@luxidream> only to get ORKOed by a minotaur 16:11 <@luxidream> such is life 16:12 <@escargott'em> I've been asking about two different games 16:12 <@escargott'em> This one is at 60k :p 16:13 <@escargott'em> @IceBox 16:13 <@IceBox> what about the other one then 😃 16:13 <@rikersan> @escargott'em can you post your invent from your 9 wishes game? 16:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:15 <@escargott'em> The online game is at 50k 16:15 @IceBox Slightly Evil Patch Idea: livelog whenever you pick up any gray stone in Mines' End. 16:16 <@IceBox> i dont even think that's evil though i guess it would make me spend slightly more time down there making sure i have the righ tone 16:17 <@luxidream> I guess this falls into the gray area of reading bones dumplogs? 16:18 <@IceBox> does it, is there already a scummy way to tell that you've picked up the luck stone? 16:18 <@luxidream> no, I mean using outside information in-game 16:18 -!- Guest15865 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:19 <@luxidream> if you encounter a bones file, you can find the corresponding dumplog which essentially identifies all of their items for you 16:21 <@escargott'em> @rikersan my inventory, besides my stash :p http://imgur.com/a/nQw3Fku 16:21 <@rikersan> looks pretty good to me I guess 16:22 <@rikersan> fwiw you can always wish for more AOLS, or maybe some stupid memes on astral 16:22 <@luxidream> you could get stupid amounts of HP too 16:22 <@luxidream> wand of death 16:23 <@rikersan> spbk of FoD 16:23 <@escargott'em> I have three wands of death :D 16:23 <@escargott'em> I can always get more markers and stock up on charging or genocide or whatever 16:24 <@escargott'em> I was considering getting a magical helmet.. Telepathy I guess 16:24 <@escargott'em> But I have warning already 16:25 @escargott'em what interface is that? 16:25 <@escargott'em> The android port 16:25 How do you play with a touchscreen and no keyboard o_O 16:26 <@escargott'em> All the keys I use are on the edges of the screen 16:26 <@escargott'em> And you move in directions by tapping the display itself 16:34 <@escargott'em> The engraving while levitating to wrest charges without using turns bug no longer works in 3.6.0, right? 16:34 <@rikersan> yep I think so 16:34 <@rikersan> it now says "You acn't do that" iirc (engrave while lev without digging/fire/lightning) 16:36 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 16:46 !who 16:46 PavelB: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [nh4] SkydiveMike [nh361] Eleven [nh361] 16:46 PavelB: [hdf-eu] jt [xnh] 16:46 PavelB: [hdf-au] No current players 16:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of chargin", on T:30930 16:46 <@rikersan> RIP 16:48 Does that just give you two random scrolls 16:48 <@rikersan> yep 16:48 <@rikersan> I'm very sorry for them 16:48 That really does need to get fixed 16:48 I'm chargin' my wands 16:48 If oyu typo it should ask again 16:48 *you 16:49 NetHack is not a very typo friendly game 16:49 Yeah, but it should be friendlier 16:50 Agreed 16:53 Mm, any clue which file handles asking for a wish? 16:55 Found it in `zap.c` 16:57 <@escargott'em> Maybe in a variant 16:57 <@escargott'em> But vanilla needs to stay typo unfriendly, it's a core mechanic of the game 16:58 aosdict made it so in xnh wishing for empty string/pressing escape or arrows asks for confirmation before cancelling your wish instead of just giving you something random 16:58 <@escargott'em> Huh, I guess I haven't even touched geh in this game yet, that was my online game 16:59 <@rikersan> 'wizard.c' has teh parser iirc 17:00 <@escargott'em> Lteleporting anywhere below castle just puts you in votd, right? 17:00 <@rikersan> yes 17:00 @rikersan I think it's readobjnam in objnam.c 17:01 .oO(Why would you abbreviate readobjname to readobjname) 17:01 *nam 17:01 <@escargott'em> I'm going to be sad not having unlimited level port with non valk characters after this 17:01 <@escargott'em> Probably because there's another variable with the e 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:32157 17:08 <@escargott'em> Do you guys dig out a path as you dive down geh? 17:12 As soon as I get a pickaxe I start ignoring walls 17:15 PavelB: technically the arrows shouldn't do anything at all, but they send an escape sequence which begins with \033. 17:15 Yeah, I know how arrow keys work 17:16 <@escargott'em> Keeping like three dig wands is so much lighter than pick, and I tend to find more dig wands than I actually use 17:16 <@escargott'em> So far at least 17:16 Would be cool if arrow keys worked for line-editing but I don't think it would be reliable if your connection wasn't fast enough. 17:17 I think in vanilla there's a feature by paxed where if you have text on the line and hit an arrow, it clears the line (which is good if you don't have the behavior of Esc = prompt to forfeit.) 17:18 <@escargott'em> Does nethack care if you use gray vs grey 17:18 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 17:18 Anyway, do you think it would be simple to treat "wand of foo" as a retry rather than a random wand? 17:22 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:32993 17:32 PavelB: On the same principle that nobody actually wants to wish for "" and get a totally random item, it follows that if you specify "of foo" or "labeled foo" and foo isn't recognized then it's *probably* a typo 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 speed boots", on T:33004 17:32 aosdict: I think it *should* consider it a typo, but you know better than me if that's easy to implement 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:33009 17:33 You could even go farther and say nobody actually wants to wish for a random item of an object class. Should it accept a wish for "wand"? 17:33 Or do we assume that the player always *wants* to wish for a specific item? 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 helm of brilliance", on T:33029 17:35 aosdict: I think that could be settable with `OPTIONS=random_wishes:true/false` 17:36 <@escargott'em> I mean, it would be really easy to add a key word to specify explicitly in the wish that you are okay with random 17:36 <@escargott'em> Any wand.. Or just wish for any or anything if you want random wish 17:36 Oh yeah, that's a good idea too 17:37 <@escargott'em> No matter how you do it it there will be issues, the main issue is that nethack is supposed to punish typos! 17:37 <@escargott'em> Also bring pudding farming back! 17:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:42 actually I completely disagree that nethack is supposed to punish typos. but I'm cooking and don't really have time for debate right now 17:44 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 17:45 <@escargott'em> I don't know how much is worth debating.. The game has changed a ton over the years, had different devs all with slightly or very different philosophies, I'm sure some of the people that made nethack what it is did believe in punishing typos, and others didn't.. It's just a matter of person to person 17:46 <@luxidream> what are floating eyes for then 17:46 <@luxidream> I’m sure the devs would have made them black if they thought they could get away with it 17:46 <@escargott'em> Also, typo friendly nethack already exists in forks, why change the base game too 17:46 <@escargott'em> Even though the new vanilla devs are from forks I think :p 17:47 <[Demo][srn]1> DT is sinful 17:47 <[Demo][srn]1> I like the cool new ones but the ones with sticks up there asses r lame 17:48 <@luxidream> didn’t ais say there are people who oppose removing the force 17:48 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 17:48 <@escargott'em> What's with this votd.. There are class corpses everywhere, and a corpse of a healer named Dracunos, heh.. I'm not a healer! :p 17:49 <@escargott'em> Is that a theme or just a random graveyard theme? 17:50 <@rikersan> no jst random bodies 17:50 <[Demo][srn]1> there probably are and they are definitely the ones I don't like mostly probably 17:51 [Demo][srn]1: What's DT? 17:51 Oh, devteam 17:53 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 17:58 -!- Xzight2 has joined #hardfought 17:59 does anyone know how long it takes to remove items from a bag into the inventory? 18:00 <@luxidream> 1 action 18:00 yep 18:01 per item? 18:01 <[Demo][srn]1> nope 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:12334 18:01 you can take out as many things as you want, and actually you can also put any number of items in during the 1 action too if you pick the correct option 18:03 okay sorry for being a noob but where can i read about how long an action is... can seem to find it on the wiki "Turn" page 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:33770 18:03 <@rikersan> it shoud be on there 18:04 <@rikersan> oh huh 18:06 Xzight2, i think it's just like moving 1 square or attacking once 18:06 Okay that makes sense thanks 18:07 <@rikersan> and speed affects the number of 'actions' per turn you get 18:07 <@rikersan> some clocks (I think like prayer and luck) go by game turns, not by actions iirc 18:16 Is it zero actions to "carefully open the [container]..." and then cancel actually putting in or withdrawing anything? 18:21 yeah 18:21 (i'm pretty sure) 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "The Master Key of Thievery", on T:13848 18:25 <@escargott'em> Yeah I think the theory is your character has perfect memory and knows what's in the bag :D 18:25 <@escargott'em> so you can check it as much as possible, as the player, but the character is just remembering 18:30 <@escargott'em> conflict is so nice 18:31 <@escargott'em> It's not as bad with pets as I thought it would be 18:31 huh 18:31 I've been murdered by my cat so many times b/c of conflict 18:33 <@escargott'em> When are you using conflict so early in the game that you still have a large cat? :O 18:34 <@escargott'em> Or that a large cat is capable of killing you 18:34 escargott, but that doesn't fit if the bag is, say, from bones and your character hasn't yet looked inside.. 18:35 Curse test ring -> Not cursed -> Put on -> Don't realize the thing attacking me is my cat 18:35 <@escargott'em> Yeah, I do think looking in a bag for the first time should take a turn :thinkception: 18:36 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 18:36 then again, the player can count 728 rocks and 27831 gold pieces without spending any time 18:36 <@escargott'em> But then anytime anything changes in the bag, like if you were to dip a bag of holding into a fountain, for example, it should cost a turn the first time you look in it again :p 18:36 yeah.. 18:37 -!- Xzight2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:38 <@escargott'em> The player character in DCSS is even more amazing 18:38 <@escargott'em> Because he can remember every single item he's ever seen in the entire dungeon :D 18:38 <@escargott'em> I think they added that to fiqhack too 18:38 <@IceBox> too late now, but for future reference is Grayswandir still a good weapon for a barb if they can only reach "basic" in sabers? 18:39 IceBox, yes; barbs can only reach basic in two-weaponing anyway 18:40 <@escargott'em> How much difference do these skills even make? 18:40 <@rikersan> a good bit 18:40 <@escargott'em> I know it's minimal compared to spell skills and throwing skills 18:40 <@rikersan> esp. early game 18:40 <@rikersan> you suck at hitting shit at unskilled 18:40 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:40 <@rikersan> basic -> skilled -> expert? not a huge deal but still noticeable 18:40 <@escargott'em> basic is right after unskilled? 18:40 <@rikersan> yep 18:40 <@IceBox> hmm, and you get to-hit bonus with level anyways, right? 18:40 <@IceBox> so eventually i assume skills kinda get washed out 18:40 <@rikersan> not in most variatns iirc 18:40 <@escargott'em> so as long as you're not stuck at unskilled you can make it work? 18:40 <@IceBox> in 361 then 18:41 <@rikersan> mostly yeah 18:41 <@rikersan> I don't think so 18:41 <@rikersan> I don't think that's true 18:41 <@escargott'em> is accuracy like a d20 roll? 18:41 <@rikersan> since most things in vanilla have much less AC then dnh, and even with dnh's +lvl to hit I still suck at hitting shit 18:41 <@rikersan> escartgottem: yoru skill + enchnatment vs their AC iirc 18:42 <@rikersan> don't remember how negative monster AC works 18:42 <@escargott'em> but the actual random number generated, how much is that modified by enchant level vs skill level 18:42 <@escargott'em> ignore how I worded that :p 18:42 <@escargott'em> but you know what I mean 18:43 <@rikersan> I think it's +enchant and something like +3 per skill level 18:43 <@rikersan> with basic being +0, unskilled is like -5, skilled is +3 and expert is +6 18:43 <@escargott'em> it is a d20 roll 18:43 <@escargott'em> with a million modifiers of course 18:44 <@escargott'em> and each enchant level increases your chance to hit by 1 out of that 20 18:44 <@escargott'em> so that can be a pretty big difference if it's close 18:45 <[Demo][srn]1> can somebody look at a commit and tell me if its fucked up or not? 18:45 <@escargott'em> strength and dex give accurac bonuses too 18:45 <[Demo][srn]1> https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/blob/f76a4dad3d5b4cd5d0765a6d93a1a3bf81eb86cf/src/artifact.c all the SPFX_CON_OR added shit is never reached, right? 18:45 <@escargott'em> so if you get higher strength and dex that will compensate for spell levels.. 18 dex gives +4 accuracy :O 18:46 <@escargott'em> skill* 18:46 <@rikersan> oh really 18:46 <@rikersan> that's definitely new to .6 18:46 <@escargott'em> weapon skill, unskilled gives -4, basic gives 0, skilled gives +2, expert +3 18:46 <@escargott'em> so basic is a massive jump 18:47 <@escargott'em> ha, monster size bonus, can't forget about that :p 18:48 <@escargott'em> so yeah, you can enchant your weapon to +7, get your strength and dex up +5/6, going from basic to expert only gives +3, so not bad at all 18:53 -!- beetcoin has joined #hardfought 19:01 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 19:02 <[Demo][srn]1> what the hell is chris on when he write dnh commits 19:02 <[Demo][srn]1> i want it 19:05 <@escargott'em> What wands and special items do you always make sure to keep in open inventory? and under what circumstances do you stow that stuff? 19:06 <@Tone> You get a to-hit bonus for each experience level and also for each point of luck 19:06 <@Tone> hitting things becomes easy very fast in vanilla 19:07 <@Tone> unskilled in only a -4 to-hit penalty I think 19:07 <@Tone> is* 19:07 <@Tone> that's nothing late game 19:07 <@escargott'em> ha, you get a free +1 if you are xl1-2.. how sweet.. burden level affects it too 19:07 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 19:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 19:07 <@Tone> Most monks get by wearing body armor late game which is a -20 modifier 19:07 <@escargott'em> but yeah, the +15 bonus for your level kinda towers over everything else 19:09 <@Tone> That and +13 from luck usually 19:10 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:10 <@escargott'em> that interactive watch mode for nh4 is pretty sweet 19:10 escargott: In vanilla I stow anything that can be item destroyed. 19:11 I remember some years ago I wrote a patch that dumped one's odds of hitting each attack, divided by XL. At first I thought it was buggy, but no, after a point you just never miss 19:12 <@escargott'em> can even go through the message history 19:15 Amy and I hit on a scheme recently where in a variant where monsters matter so consumables might matter, you can quaff/read/zap out of your bag at the cost of 2 turns/ 19:16 <@escargott'em> I'm imagining a player reaching into the bag, whipping out a wand, zapping it, and quickly holstering it back in the boh like a gunslinger 19:19 I thought a wand would end up in main inventory. 19:22 <[Demo][srn]1> i like the quickdraw idea 19:23 <@rikersan> @escargott'em generally only digging for engraving shit quickly, rings that i'm gonna use, FH potions if I can find any (healing or extra healing I quaff for the extra max hp, not worth wasting an action on those) 19:24 <@rikersan> (in response to "what do you carry in open inv") 19:24 <@rikersan> along with your worn/readied stuff ofc 19:26 I would never (in vanilla) carry FH in open inventory 19:27 <@rikersan> really? hm 19:28 No. In vanilla monsters are a joke, and you'll always have time to pull one out. 19:28 <@rikersan> true 19:28 And in vanilla (and practically all variants) item destruction in main inventory is so harsh... 19:29 Hence the proposal to use items from your bag. 19:29 i think it's fourk that lets you fooproof anything you can wield 19:29 one variant does anyway 19:29 so i fooproofed fh 19:30 that is the only full healing i would carry openly 19:30 read that as "so I fooproofed fiqhack" 19:30 did that too 19:30 by mistake. confused. couldn't be helped 19:30 c - a blessed +9 rustproof floppy disk labeled FIQHack 19:31 i have a rustproof wand of digging in this nh4 game. no idea how it got like that 19:32 <@Tone> I usually keep a full healing in open inventory 19:33 <@Tone> Most games you'll have more than you'll need anyways 19:33 you don't get tired of them boiling/freezing? 19:33 it's not a matter of need, it's a matter of annoyance. usually 19:33 <@Tone> I don't seem to lose many of them most games honestly 19:33 <@Tone> Maybe I'll keep track of it next time 19:34 <@Tone> I tend to stash them again when I know they're in danger, so it's really just fire traps 19:34 i hate towers of flame 19:34 and magic traps 19:34 I don't keep them in open inventory because I usually only keep a few around because I've usually blessed and drank any extras 19:35 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 19:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 19:35 yeah, i drink anything over 5 19:35 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Ele Fem Cha), 10011 points, T:2071, quit 19:36 So, not to be all DCSS again, but the way monsters hit there works because you can counter with a wide range of useful consumables. 19:36 <@Tone> I'll keep 5-9 or so around unless I need to shed weight 19:36 <@Tone> I've been using nurses to raise my hp lately 19:37 <@Tone> a habit I've picked up from Tariru actually 19:37 <@escargott'em> nurses dancing? 19:37 <@Tone> lol 19:37 <@Tone> I'll never be able to unsee that drac 19:38 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:38 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 19:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 632 points, T:1165, killed by a small mimic 19:46 <@escargott'em> what's base ac in nh4? 0? 19:47 <@escargott'em> and it goes up instead of down? but same effects? 19:47 <@Tone> I think it starts at 0 and goes up, but is otherwise the same, yeah 19:47 <@rikersan> it replaces AC with something else iirc 19:48 <@escargott'em> def, I guess 19:51 yes def. to convert to vanilla, subtract 10 19:51 oh and make it negative 19:52 i am def 54 right now, equal to ac -44 in vanilla 19:52 Uh so counting-down AC makes sense in vanilla since there is a breakpoint at AC 0 19:53 yeah you don't get damage reduction until the negatives 19:53