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I just commented on one of the commits, saying that I appreciate the change that studying a spellbook of which you already know the ward now tells you what the ward is 02:26 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 02:26 Oh really 02:26 Cool 02:26 because I was the one suggesting that ;) 02:26 I just got a notification that cleared automatically 02:26 Woke me up it's almost midnight 02:27 I assumed you fixed Chris's shit 02:28 well occasionally I do, as seen in dnhslex 02:28 Yep 02:29 currently I want to get slex to a release-ready state though, still got a bunch of stuff to do before I'm happy with it 02:30 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 02:30 And when will "no" mean "no" in SLEX? 02:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:31 Mandevil: It's on the to-do list, but the implementation is unfortunately rather complicated, since I'll have to steal code from unnethack to replace slex's current spaghetti code... 02:32 Wut 02:32 What is no in this context 02:33 In SLEX "no" means "yes". 02:33 and yes means ... ? 02:34 I did not try that. 02:34 Fleecy 02:34 Or bundle it depends on the day 02:34 I am amazed that to change the sense of the question response you need to steal code from UnNethack. 02:35 But then, I am not a dev. 02:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:35 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 02:36 just for the records, I am amazed, too. 02:36 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 02:43 [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11527 02:48 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:58 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 03:00 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:03 "Are you homosexual? [yes/no] (If you answer no, you're heterosexual.)" 03:03 how binary 03:03 What if you're bi? 03:04 Are you homosexual AND heterosexual at the same time? 03:04 * LarienTelrunya giggles 03:04 no, you are bi 03:04 slex can't model that right now, though. for that to work, you'll have to compile it with qubit support 03:24 -!- Menche_ is now known as Menche 03:27 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27 quantum hack 03:28 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 03:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 03:29 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:47 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 04:01 -!- Menche__ has joined #hardfought 04:03 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:25 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 04:29 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:29 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 04:32 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- Menche__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:54 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 05:04 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:21 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:21 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 06:01 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:05 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 06:18 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:18 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 06:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:54 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 06:58 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:12 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 07:14 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:44 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:45 !who 07:45 Grassy: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [nh4] 07:45 Grassy: [hdf-eu] No current players 07:45 Grassy: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] Grasshopper [nh361] 07:53 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 07:56 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:22 !note LarienTelrunya My current slex game's gauntlets of steel are made out of plastic 08:33 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53 cavegnomes \o/ 08:53 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-07-04 02:05 EDT: hahaha did you just invite me to complain about other xnethack features too? :D 08:57 !tell LarienTelrunya it's not "inviting" as much as it is "acknowledging the inevitable" 08:57 Will do, aosdict! 09:15 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 28121 points, T:5323, killed by a monster (giant white tick) 09:17 congrats Tangles! 09:17 K2: Message from @IceBox at 2018-07-03 23:41 EDT: not sure if it's just my game but i'm getting a fcntl lock on /nh361-hdf/var/perm when i try to load my 3.6.1 game on hardfought us. 09:17 @IceBox i was able to load a game no prob, and others are playing 361 right now. May have been a fluke but I'll have a look all the same 09:18 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 3 points, T:6, killed by a monster (drains rat), while putting on a cloak of paralysis 09:27 Wonderful, a greased stained spellbook. Must be a Mini workshop manual 09:29 oh, and grats Tangles for your nh4 asc! 09:37 oh yeah I was just finishing one off that I started before June and had to park. 09:50 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:4969 09:51 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 09:51 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 10:20 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya [5:22 AM] BOTIRCBot: <@Lymia> !note LarienTelrunya My current slex game's gauntlets of steel are made out of plastic 10:20 Will do, @rikersan! 10:23 -!- Tangles is now known as Tangles_ 10:24 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:24 -!- Tangles_ is now known as rektTangles 10:25 -!- rektTangles is now known as Tangles 10:31 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:32 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:38647 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38649 10:43 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha) killed Raini, on T:8045 10:55 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Mal Cha), 61960 points, T:9486, killed by a died 10:55 !lastgame lymia 10:55 Lymia: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Lymia/slex/dumplog/1530710362.slex.txt 10:55 Lymia: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Lymia/slex/dumplog/1528549041.slex.txt 10:55 <@rikersan> did you just die randomly? 10:56 Apparently 10:56 <@rikersan> huh 10:57 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya lymia died randomly (cool w/ that), the death message was "killed by a died" (not cool with that) 10:57 Will do, @rikersan! 10:57 !tell LarienTelrunhya https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Lymia/slex/dumplog/1530710362.slex.txt the heck is this 10:57 Will do, Lymia! 10:57 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 10:57 !tell LarienTelrunya https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Lymia/slex/dumplog/1530710362.slex.txt the heck is this 10:57 Will do, Lymia! 11:00 !tell LarienTelrunya I don't see much point in setting monster species to never spawn randomly in a game with as many species as slex, there will be species which randomly happen to never spawn randomly without forcing it (this is different from things like trinsics that the player might aim for) 11:00 ais523: Message from aosdict at 2018-07-03 09:31 EDT: this is a response to your reddit comment: if one did implement the most ascs in 24 hours trophy as requiring both start and end to be within the 24 hour period, there would probably be complaining among players who can ascend reliably but not fast. Maybe the window would have to be expanded to 72 hours or something. 11:00 Will do, ais523! 11:03 !tell LarienTelrunya also, why are bikinis are random-appearance cloaks? they're more likely to be worn below clothes than above, and are pretty much defined by their shape (thus shouldn't be in the same appearance group as, e.g., robes) 11:03 Will do, ais523! 11:04 * ais523 realises that even looking at a single SLEX dumplog is likely to flag up at least three things that really should work differently 11:05 43619- A(ATTK(AT_BITE, AD_PHYS, 2, 8), 11:05 43620- ATTK(AT_CLAW, AD_DISN, 1, 8), ATTK(AT_CLAW, AD_DISN, 1, 8), 11:05 I'm going to guess that AD_DISN is not actually implemented for non-rays 11:05 Or, well. Fully implemented. 11:05 but without messages? 11:05 @le?bebelith 11:05 bebelith (x) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire shock poison | Confers: fire poison | MR: 20 | Generates: special | AC: -10 | Attacks: 2d8 bite physical, 1d8 claw disintegrate, 1d8 claw disintegrate | Alignment: -10 | Flags: amphibious, oviparous, stalker 11:06 @help 11:06 @dn?bebelith 11:07 What's the command list for Beholder 11:07 !help 11:07 Lymia: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 11:07 @dnh?bebelith 11:07 How do you work this :c 11:07 !commands 11:07 Lymia: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 11:08 The @ commands aren't documented 11:08 !tell LarienTelrunya some of your randomized appearances are printing as "(null)", that's likely because you tried to print a null pointer, something that isn't guaranteed to work (it's undefined behaviour, luckily many C standard libraries define it to something sane like that in order to help catch the error in a better way than a segfault) 11:08 Will do, ais523! 11:09 <@Tone> @d?bebelith 11:09 bebelith (x) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire shock poison | Confers: fire poison | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -10 | Attacks: 2d8 bite physical, 1d8 claw shred, 1d8 claw shred | Alignment: -10 | Flags: amphibious, nopoly, stalker 11:10 <@Tone> Lymia: ^? 11:10 ty 11:11 <@Tone> I don't know all of the variant prefixes but I've definitely seen that one queried before 😄 11:13 !who rsa 11:13 NAOrsa: [hdf-us] Lymia [slex] samiam [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] knavery [nh361] dracunos [nh361] 11:13 NAOrsa: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh361] 11:13 NAOrsa: [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361] 11:14 probably not a reportable-level bug, but "opaque spellbook" doesn't work as a description unless you assume that all the others are slightly transparent 11:14 or that it's some sort of conceputal spellbook that has opaqueness as its only salient property 11:14 !players 11:14 NAOrsa: [hdf-us] Lymia [slex] samiam [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] knavery [nh361] dracunos [nh361] 11:14 NAOrsa: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh361] 11:14 NAOrsa: [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh361] 11:14 whoops 11:16 !tell LarienTelrunya "You eaten" in the conducts list is using the wrong part of speech, you probably want "You ate" or "You have eaten" 11:16 Will do, ais523! 11:16 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 11:39 <@IceBox> yeah @K2 i meant to follow up, it did disappear eventually just took a few hours 😃 another guy said the same thing happened to him and it solved itself 11:47 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 12860 points, T:4183, killed by a monster (rock troll) 11:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:48 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 11:48 <@IceBox> when trying to convert altars, can you try multiple times in a row or should you wait in between attempts and make sure your alignment is positive? 11:48 @IceBox: your alignment won't drop from a failed conversion, but the effects of failed conversions get worse the more you spam them, so if you fail a couple of times it's often worth giving up for a while to let the bad luck time out 11:49 of course, you shouldn't attempt a conversion unless you're pretty confident your alignment is positive before you start 11:49 <@IceBox> ok yeah because i remember i tried in a valk game and i accidentally converted myselft after only the 2nd attempt 11:49 <@IceBox> is lvl 10 an ok time to try? sounds like that's about a 66% chance 11:51 -!- ais523 is now known as callforjudgement 11:51 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais523 11:51 I would try way before then. If you accidentally converted yourself, that wasn't owing to the repeated conversion attempts, as ais523 says. 11:55 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:56 OMG this reddit post about Elona sounds like it could also be a Nethack EPI: https://www.reddit.com/r/Elona/comments/8vjii3/elona_178_is_out/e1s0odm/ :D 11:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2018-07-04 08:57 EDT: it's not "inviting" as much as it is "acknowledging the inevitable" 11:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-07-04 10:20 EDT: [5:22 AM] BOTIRCBot: <@Lymia> !note LarienTelrunya My current slex game's gauntlets of steel are made out of plastic 11:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-07-04 10:57 EDT: lymia died randomly (cool w/ that), the death message was "killed by a died" (not cool with that) 11:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from Lymia at 2018-07-04 10:57 EDT: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Lymia/slex/dumplog/1530710362.slex.txt the heck is this 11:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from ais523 at 2018-07-04 11:00 EDT: I don't see much point in setting monster species to never spawn randomly in a game with as many species as slex, there will be species which randomly happen to never spawn randomly without forcing it (this is different from things like trinsics that the player might aim for) 11:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from ais523 at 2018-07-04 11:03 EDT: also, why are bikinis are random-appearance cloaks? they're more likely to be worn below clothes than above, and are pretty much defined by their shape (thus shouldn't be in the same appearance group as, e.g., robes) 11:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from ais523 at 2018-07-04 11:08 EDT: some of your randomized appearances are printing as "(null)", that's likely because you tried to print a null pointer, something that isn't guaranteed to work (it's undefined behaviour, luckily many C standard libraries define it to something sane like that in order to help catch the error in a better way than a segfault) 11:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from ais523 at 2018-07-04 11:16 EDT: "You eaten" in the conducts list is using the wrong part of speech, you probably want "You ate" or "You have eaten" 11:57 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 11:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:57 !tell rikersan "gauntlets of steel" have a random appearance, which can be something other than metal ;) "killed by a died" is originally a bug but I decided to consider it a feature, she probably got disintegrated. 11:57 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:58 !tell Lymia ah you encountered a bebelith, those are from dnethack, and their melee attacks disintegrate you: that will destroy the body armor you're currently wearing, or if you are wearing none, you die. RIP :( 11:58 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:58 LarienTelrunya: I'd been meaning to recommend Elona+ to you, it sounds like your sort of game 11:59 I've never played it, though, so this is entirely based on what I've seen other people say about it 11:59 so I might be mistaken 11:59 hi ais523! I'm maintaining a variant of elona+ :D 11:59 is it called elona++? 11:59 nah, Amylona 11:59 https://github.com/AmyBSOD/Amylona 12:00 (no joke, it really exists!) 12:00 you have a ToME variant too, don't you? 12:00 yes, didn't work on that one in a long while though 12:01 I've seen a few people compare slex to Furyband 12:01 so if you want an Angband derivative too, that might be a place to start 12:01 ToME is an angband variant ;) 12:01 in fact, Furyband is a variant of ToME if I'm not mistaken? 12:01 oh, could be 12:01 and yeah, my ToME-SX did pull a couple things from Furyband 12:02 people call all sorts of things Angband variants, though 12:02 e.g. Sil 12:02 that's not an Angband variant, it just uses the same engine 12:02 Sil seems to have quite different mechanics, yeah; I have the binary but never actually played it yet 12:03 reading the Beholder messages now 12:04 you probably have a point wrt monster species just never being rolled even though they can spawn randomly; also, it's only 10 species that can never be spawned, which with 18k total species probably makes no difference 12:04 right 12:05 the bikini thing, hmm... well I wanted to have a cloak that grants swimming :D sadly, it's almost never a good idea to leave armor slots completely unfilled (in real life I would wear nothing over or under a bikini) 12:06 the randomized appearance as "null" thing isn't optimal I admit, but I haven't been able to make it print the actual in-game random appearance of the item in question either, it always prints the default one from objects.c for some reason?! 12:06 and finally, the "You eaten 5 times" thing is of course a bug but I decided that it sounds too funny to fix ;) 12:07 I guess you could use a wetsuit as a cloak that grants swimming (probably also no-water-damage) 12:08 items that prevent water damage are nice to have, slex already has a few of those, I'll probably implement yours to make that property more common :) thanks! 12:08 wetsuits are worn above clothes sometimes 12:09 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 12:09 are they made of spandex? :D 12:13 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:14 wetsuits are normally made of neoprene 12:15 ah I see 12:15 ais523, as James Bond demonstrates in certain movies, you can even wear a wetsuit on top of a cocktail suit 12:15 well, not practical in real life but hey 12:15 that is considered somewhat unusual, though (which is why it's considered such a defining character moment for him) 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class ;), on T:30783 12:16 didn't Superman wear a bikini on top sometimes? 12:17 Superman is dyslexic or something 12:17 he wears his underpants on top for some reason 12:17 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 12:18 I don't think Superman wears the bra on the outside though 12:19 no, he only wears the bra when in his closet 12:20 Superman would have a hard time changing in the mobile phone era 12:20 as most of the telephone booths have been taken away 12:20 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:21 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21 they're actually becoming more common in the UK, ever since advertisers realised that it was the cheapest legal way to put up an advertising hoarding in a busy area 12:21 just create a phone booth and put an advert on one side of it 12:21 the cost of the payphone itself is pretty small, even if nobody uses it 12:21 ais523: I can't see a wetsuit being cloak slot. Imagine wearing one over plate mail. 12:22 Shirt slot, yes. (bikini would naturally also be that) 12:22 aosdict: body slot would probably work best 12:22 but I'm having hard time imagining that a bikini worn over plate mail would do anything to help with swimming 12:23 maybe a lifejacket is what we want 12:23 does a bikini help with swimming???!! 12:23 that's something from real life which is a) intended to be worn over clothes and b) helps with swimming 12:23 Grassy: apparently in slex it does 12:23 clothes are what make swimming hard, as they get heavy when wet and cause all kinds of drag 12:24 you should get a bonus for swimming naked or only in a shirt 12:24 well I guess realistically you should sink like a rock when wearing plate mail, even if you have a source of swimming 12:24 LarienTelrunya, yes 12:24 hmm, maybe in vanilla, you should be able to swim if your inv weight is low enough, with worn armour counting something like double or triple 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:40381 12:25 imagine swimming with iron shoes on lol 12:25 inv weight versus strength? 12:25 Grassy: there are a number of puzzles involving that in the Zelda series 12:26 normally involving putting on iron shoes to allow you to stay at the bottom of the water easily, and then taking them off to float upwards 12:26 water temple in OoT *shudders* 12:26 it's never explained why they cancel out more buoyancy when worn than when in your backpack… 12:26 for the record, the water temple isn't actually my least favorite one. the forest temple is. 12:27 but the forest temple has awesome music! ♥ 12:27 try listening to that "awesome" music for HOURS and HOURS on end while you run around trying every possible thing, searching everywhere, for a key which was hidden in the entrance hall 12:28 when I saw that in someone else's playthough, I decided that it was a questionable design decision, at least if it was required 12:28 that's what youtube Let's Play videos are for :D I wouldn't have found most of Zelda 2 The Adventure of Link's secrets without one 12:29 for example, the one where you go to a woman who says she has misplaced some item? I would never have guessed that it's in the next house. Apparently you're magically supposed to know women's item misplacing habits. 12:29 But all that she says is that she misplaced it, and you get zero hint as to the item's whereabouts. 12:29 I'm always telling my wife where she has left things 12:29 eg "Your glasses are on your head" 12:30 it's not unheard of for people to search for something they're currently holding 12:30 because it's not a place they're likely to check 12:30 once saw her with glasses both on her eyes AND on her head 12:30 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 12:30 (2 pairs obviously) 12:31 YASI: while searching, you can discover that *you* are a secret door 12:33 Wait, soldier ant! That wall is really a samurai named AmyBSOD! 12:33 YASI: if you eat a mimic corpse while on a doorway, you mimic a secret door. 12:34 the soldier ant wouldn't try to move into a wall unless it were confused, anyway 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:31354 12:38 What do you call a shy ant? Reluct Ant 12:38 :D 12:38 What do you call an ant that does everything differently? Devi Ant 12:39 What do you call an artistic ant? Remb R. Ant 12:39 hahahahahahaha :) 12:49 -!- Guest90888 has joined #hardfought 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed ring of levitation", on T:40965 12:50 -!- Guest90888 has quit [Changing host] 12:50 -!- Guest90888 has joined #hardfought 12:50 -!- Guest90888 is now known as stenno 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:40969 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:40982 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:40987 12:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:41098 13:00 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:03 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:31862 13:07 Your sacrifice is consumed in a flash of light! An object appears at your feet! The voice of Lugh booms: "Use my gift wisely!" s - a +0 lance named Rhongomyniad. 13:08 can the dnethack players from this channel tell me whether that thing is useful? ;) 13:10 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:45751 13:13 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:15 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 13:22 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22 LarienTelrunya: It's a lance that won't break while jousting. 13:22 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 13:22 ah I see; can I joust while twoweaponing? 13:24 you can in vanilla, i think, so i expect yes 13:24 Doubt it, but it's however it is in vanilla. 13:24 Ohhey 13:24 Well, then probably you can. 13:24 i seem to recall using two lances and jousting; it might be that only the primary lance jousts? 13:24 well sadly knights can only reach basic twoweaponing, so I guess the lance also counts as only basic, even if I'm able to reach expert in it 13:25 that's true 13:25 (for the joust chance too) 13:25 bummer 13:25 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25 gah, I can't even apply the lance at things standing a knight's move away! 13:26 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 13:26 also I can't seem to be able to drain a gnomish hat on the ground without picking it up while riding, even though I have basic riding skill 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:32123 13:29 does "Ugh, that was vile" when quaffing a potion of water mocassin blood do anything? also, is the poison resistance I got from it going to be permanent? (hopefully it is :D) 13:30 @le?green nightmare 13:30 green nightmare (u) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 20 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d10 kick physical, 1d2 bite drain str | Alignment: -9 | Flags: genocidable, herbivore, infravisible 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:46228 13:41 aaaaaargh I'm too used to being able to kick normally while riding (because you can in slex), and accidentally kicked my steed :( 13:42 that said, why does the "kick your steed" question default to yes, this makes absolutely no sense, all other questions have spacebar auto-pick the less dangerous option 13:43 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 13:43 -!- cherryh.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Junethack 2018!! 13:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 13:43 oh damn, I got the segfault that happens when the player gets glibbery fingers 13:44 I should update dnhslex to the newest dnethack-devel where that is probably fixed 13:44 <@escargott'em> Do I need to id this wand of wishing, or is it guaranteed to start out at 0:3? 13:44 <@Tone> No wand of wishing is guaranteed more than one charge 13:44 at least recovery worked :) 13:45 <@Tone> There's a chance you'll wrest it if you try to use it and it's empty 13:45 Chris_ANG: the glib segfault is fixed in dnh 3.16, right? 13:45 <@escargott'em> I guess I've been lucky getting 3 charge wishing wands so far :p 13:45 LarienTelrunya: The newest dnethack devel is broken :( 13:46 <@luxidream> YANI: #wrest which attempts to wrest a wand until interrupted 13:46 It doesn't compile due to probably makefile issues. 13:46 <@Tone> That would be nice lux 13:46 (My local development version compiles) 13:46 oh no! I'll have to hold off on pulling it then 13:46 <@Tone> You can use count with the zap command but you still have to pick which wand with every attempt 13:46 Yeah. ...*pretty* sure I fixed the glib thing. 13:47 -!- hf_guest_83456 has joined #hardfought 13:48 !tell K2 test 1 13:48 Will do, hf_guest_83456! 13:48 !tell K2 test 2 13:48 Will do, hf_guest_83456! 13:48 !tell K2 test 3 13:48 Will do, hf_guest_83456! 13:48 hi 13:48 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 13:48 K2: Message from hf_guest_83456 at 2018-07-04 13:48 EDT: test 1 13:48 K2: Message from hf_guest_83456 at 2018-07-04 13:48 EDT: test 2 13:48 K2: Message from hf_guest_83456 at 2018-07-04 13:48 EDT: test 3 13:48 hrm 13:49 It's fixed on dev. 13:49 LarienTelrunya: You should implement the soviet race in dnhslex so I can steal your variable dungeon layout code :P 13:51 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 13:51 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ Junethack 2018!! 13:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 13:51 !tell K2 test 1 13:51 Will do, hf_guest_83456! 13:51 !tell K2 test 2 13:51 Will do, hf_guest_83456! 13:51 !tell K2 test 3 13:51 Will do, hf_guest_83456! 13:51 hi 13:51 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 13:51 K2: Messages from: hf_guest_83456 have been forwarded to you privately. 13:51 woot 13:53 -!- hf_guest_83456 has left #hardfought 13:54 thanks to Tangles, !tell spam has now been significantly reduced 13:55 Yay Tangles :) 13:58 <@Tone> Is that only for multiple messages? 14:01 <@luxidream> what about discord 14:01 <@luxidream> does it pm the bot? 14:02 the threshold is 3 14:02 <@luxidream> !tell @luxidream DOWN WITH K2 SOFTFOUGHT REBELLION 14:02 Will do, @luxidream! 14:02 huh good question 14:02 <@luxidream> derp 14:02 @luxidream: Message from @luxidream at 2018-07-04 14:02 EDT: DOWN WITH K2 SOFTFOUGHT REBELLION 14:03 !tell @luxidream test 1 14:03 Will do, K2! 14:03 !tell @luxidream test 2 14:03 Will do, K2! 14:03 !tell @luxidream test 3 14:03 Will do, K2! 14:03 ok say something 14:03 <@luxidream> hi 14:03 Hello @luxidream, Welcome to #hardfought 14:03 @luxidream: Message from K2 at 2018-07-04 14:03 EDT: test 1 14:03 @luxidream: Message from K2 at 2018-07-04 14:03 EDT: test 2 14:03 @luxidream: Message from K2 at 2018-07-04 14:03 EDT: test 3 14:03 ah 14:03 <@luxidream> okay it just tells discord users 14:03 <@luxidream> nice 14:03 Tangles most likely realized that 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:46265 14:04 <@Tone> Discord users can just be pinged anyways 14:05 <@Tone> A lot of people IRC side probably don't realize that though 14:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:46267 14:05 <@Tone> But I doubt much of the spam is a result of messages to discord users anyways 14:32 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:37 Chris_ANG: heh I guess theoretically I could make that work, but I want to do a bunch of work on slex first 14:39 also hopefully you can get that compiler error sorted out, because I kinda want to pull the newest dnh; getting crashed out of the game whenever a monster with disarming attacks comes isn't my definition of fun 14:40 I just fixed it :) 14:40 yaaaaaaaaaaay! 14:41 alright, will pull once I'm in my office tomorrow ♥ 14:41 wtf there's a purple Ä in Sokoban 14:42 ??? 14:42 yay and a catoblepas too, who has a gaze of death 14:42 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 14:42 Oh, not me 14:42 heh, never mind, it's dnhslex-specific monsters as it turned out 14:42 Ä a neutral angelic being (Johanetta's pointy girl shoe, a human-sized humanoid) 14:42 * Chris_ANG still doesn't understand why shoes are humanoids. 14:43 * Chris_ANG probably never will. 14:45 huh, so if I unwield my weapon while dual-wielding, I keep wielding my other weapon 14:45 Chris_ANG release when you think? starting tomorrow next 12 days or so i'm out of the loop 14:47 Oh, hm. 14:47 <[Demo][srn]1> happy America motherfuckers 14:47 I guess what's there now could probably be called an incremental version. 14:47 But, I'm also going to be out of the loop for the next 9 days or so. 14:48 should prob wait til we're both back 14:48 <[Demo][srn]1> what's there now is definitely buggy as shit 14:48 So, probably not a good time to do a release, yeah. 14:48 <[Demo][srn]1> I still need to show why goodpos is fucked 14:49 K2: I kinda planned to do a slex release soon, but time has been short for me so I guess I won't be done with the new version before you're back anyway ;) 14:51 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 14:52 <@lapis> So, we can look forward to a new dnh release in about 2 weeks? 14:53 oh wow, Orcrist warns of orcs even if it's in the off-hand 14:54 "It is hit! It is destroyed! You hear something shatter!" why do I get messages about orcs hitting elves when they're all the way over on the other end of the level? 14:55 <[Demo][srn]1> they aren't stealthy 14:55 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:55 Pretty much. The *really* bad ones are the occasional "It is missed" 14:56 oh I guess it's monster-versus-monster ranged combat? 14:56 Yeah 14:57 what, why did the potion of troll blood not give any nutrition? I thought they were supposed to be a way for incantifiers to "eat"? 14:57 <[Demo][srn]1> eat for resistance 14:57 oh great 14:57 so they're useless except for blanking and making holy water 14:58 Basically, yeah. 14:58 <@lapis> Potions of lizard blood still cure stoning I think 14:58 <@lapis> But they don’t resist hissing like a corpse does 14:58 Right. 14:59 The blood of poisonous creatures act as potions of sickness, the blood of acidic creatures acts as acid, etc. 14:59 <[Demo][srn]1> you can get poison resistance 14:59 yeah I got poison res that way 15:00 <@lapis> Wait, do they act as acid for alchemy purposes? 15:00 <[Demo][srn]1> no but for stoning 15:01 damn you game, I'm not a caitiff, but the monsters are cowards! 15:01 <[Demo][srn]1> don't get the hod on ur ass 15:01 <[Demo][srn]1> fuck 12 15:01 "Ugh. That was vile. You feel wide awake." is that permanent, or does it time out? 15:02 <[Demo][srn]1> temporary 15:02 gah 15:02 <[Demo][srn]1> get crowned 15:02 <[Demo][srn]1> and stay strapped 15:02 what's the point of making crowning a requirement to get working resistances? seems like unnecessary tedium 15:02 <[Demo][srn]1> artifacts and shit 15:02 specifically, it means you have to dedicate a ring slot to fire res in Gehennom 15:02 <@lapis> Fire, cold, shock, sleep, acid, displace, and drain resists all time out 15:02 <[Demo][srn]1> armor and shit 15:03 <[Demo][srn]1> fucking chaos quest orbs 15:03 [Demo][srn]1: but you never get artifacts anyway! 15:03 <[Demo][srn]1> grab urself a faceless robe 15:03 <[Demo][srn]1> wish wish wish 15:03 <[Demo][srn]1> 2 for sure artiwish ed 15:03 <[Demo][srn]1> in dnh 15:03 <@lapis> Write some scrolls of resistance 15:03 <[Demo][srn]1> yeahhg 15:03 <[Demo][srn]1> don't play like a weak ass mofo or u gonna get popped 15:03 why the heck does the plumach rilmani look like an amulet 15:03 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04 <[Demo][srn]1> good question 15:04 <[Demo][srn]1> not sure 15:04 <@lapis> What do the faceless robes do? 15:04 <[Demo][srn]1> resistances and shit and blocks head from eat or drink 15:04 <[Demo][srn]1> cold res on 2 of them 15:05 Should be different colors re amulets. 15:05 Chris_ANG: yeah, the rilmani was black, but I'm used to slex where amulets of all colors exist :D 15:05 <[Demo][srn]1> they still are amulet shaped 15:05 As to why that symbol got used, kinda running out of symbols XD 15:05 <[Demo][srn]1> goofy looking monsters 15:06 how about using numbers? 7, 8 and 9 are probably all unused 15:06 <[Demo][srn]1> 7 and 9 used 15:06 oh 15:06 <[Demo][srn]1> 8 is ppls boulder 15:06 <@lapis> 7 is used for sure 15:06 <@lapis> High level angels 15:06 boulder is 0 of course, I'd like 8 to be ghosts but somehow they were made completely invisible or something?! 15:07 Yeah. I'm getting a little tired of that joke, though. Might switch it back. 15:07 man this g(r)ay unicorn constantly turns to flee, why??? I'd like to be able to hit it without being branded a caitiff 15:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Val Hum Fem Law), 1816 points, T:1830, killed by a dwarf, while praying 15:07 <[Demo][srn]1> fuck ghost is still my favorite monster 15:07 <[Demo][srn]1> Yeah dnh unicorn ai is weird 15:07 joke/interface screw, whichever. 15:08