00:00 <@IceBox> would #sit have YAFM or just say nothing happens? 00:00 <@luxidream> “Males can’t lay eggs!” 00:00 <@IceBox> not even that funny, just instructive 00:01 <@luxidream> You have a 10% of changing gender 00:01 <@luxidream> When polying 00:01 <@luxidream> so a ring of polymorph would work 00:01 <@IceBox> yeah not worth, decisions decisions 00:01 <@luxidream> using a wand would be quite wasteful 00:01 <@IceBox> i dunno where i'll get reflection if i take GDSM 00:02 <@luxidream> medusa 00:02 <@IceBox> sorry i mean dunno where i'll put it 00:02 <@IceBox> i have stormbringer as well, could go to the end with that maybe 00:02 <@IceBox> i was hopin to be swangin this axe all day though 00:03 <@IceBox> i spent like 10k turns getting it after crowning delayed my sac gift, haha 00:03 <@luxidream> you need to be careful with getting it cursed 00:03 <@luxidream> but besides that the buff is pretty good 00:03 <@IceBox> especially with a long prayer timeout too i suppose 00:03 <@luxidream> emergency sack with holy water should work 00:03 <@IceBox> i have holy water, there's a trick with #tipping that? 00:04 <@luxidream> that seems to be a popular method 00:04 <@IceBox> do you do anythign or just #tip and you're good 00:04 <@luxidream> I think just tip 00:04 <@luxidream> either way you should use the lamp for something 00:05 <@luxidream> lock in the game 00:05 <@IceBox> i think i'm gonna go with SDSM, cuz i wanna kinda try something different 00:05 YANI: Replace the existing polyself nerf of every polyself has a 20% chance of polying you into your own race. Instead, the longer you stay polyed, with each successive polymorph, the duration of the polymorph is reduced. Staying in your normal form for a while will get that effect back to normal. 00:06 <@IceBox> i just love permanent light sources, haha 00:06 <@IceBox> never had SDSM, but i'd like to imagine it's shiny AF 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:23929 00:10 <@IceBox> jesus drain attacks are rough, haha 00:12 I was just reading up on D&D's negative levels system. It is a lot more lax there than in nethack. 00:16 <@luxidream> nethack is pretty lax. You only need one kill to go back up 00:17 <@luxidream> looks like permanent level loss in D&D leaves you in the middle of the previous level 00:18 you see it as you only need one kill to go back up, I see it as two or more levels drained before you get that kill are gone for good (barring blessed restore ability) 00:21 <@luxidream> restore ability restores levels in nethack? 00:21 I don't think so, but blessed full healing will restore one at a time, I think 00:22 yes, but wiki says it will only restore half of the lost levels that way 00:22 <@luxidream> also in nethack, level has much less to do with a player’s power than D&D, from my understanding 00:23 <@luxidream> A permanent loss of two levels is rarely crippling, while it would have a more significant impact in D&D 00:23 quite true 00:23 y'all are not up to date on 3.6.1 changes 00:23 see 59c357de 00:23 guilty as charged 00:23 <@luxidream> ah, that’s a good change 00:24 <@luxidream> glad I’m aware of it 00:24 thank ais 00:24 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 00:30 <@IceBox> does blindfold affect accuracy when you have telepathy? 00:33 <@luxidream> no 00:33 <@luxidream> in an case you have a luckstone 00:33 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 00:35 K2: pushed more stuff, mostly obj materials and some fixes. you can now find silver tin openers to beat up vlad as per luxidream's idea 00:35 hah 00:35 ok 00:36 oh and MREs 00:36 \o/ 00:37 -!- Guest25260 has joined #hardfought 00:38 xNetHack updated (all servers) 00:39 <@luxidream> now that ito is in a variant 00:40 <@luxidream> we need an ootc reference for cockatrice nests 00:40 <@luxidream> I should probably ask FIQ for that 00:41 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 00:41 ito was named after a 3.6.1 feature 00:42 xnh just has *improved* improved tin openers :P 00:42 -!- Guest25260 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:42 <@luxidream> what was the 3.6.1 improvement 00:42 <@luxidream> sorry, I didn’t notice it during gameplay 00:43 malcolm ryan's improved tin opener patch: https://bilious.alt.org/?162 00:43 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3832 00:43 bah 00:43 i threw a dagger 00:43 i didnt wield it 00:44 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44 <@luxidream> hahaha 00:44 aosdict which file pertains to hitting with a wielded weapon and conducts? 00:45 i forgot gh had this bug 00:45 monks arent played often with this variant ;) 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:27140 00:49 <@luxidream> wow there’s some great patches in here 00:49 <@luxidream> like the owlbreath patch that smites you when you engrave “owlbreath” 00:51 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 00:54 K2: uh, maybe look for "u.uconduct.weaphit" 00:54 especially with a ++ 00:54 yeah kinda went that direction 00:54 I see one in dothrow.c 00:54 in xnh 00:55 same here with gh 00:55 i wonder if sgrunt did this on purpose 00:55 <@luxidream> @IceBox did you bump into a disenchanted or something 00:55 hm but xnh's is inside a HMON_APPLIED conditio 00:55 <@luxidream> what happened to all your stuff 00:55 <@IceBox> i dont wanna talk about it 😉 00:55 <@IceBox> mis-ID'ed a tele wand 00:56 yeah grunt has no such check 00:56 <@luxidream> ouch 00:56 <@IceBox> thank god that SDSM didn't come through with a +2 enchant 00:56 <@IceBox> other than the blessed BoH it actually didn't hurt me too bad 00:56 <@IceBox> lost +2 on cleaver and 2 AC 00:56 <@IceBox> and learned a valuable lesson 00:59 hmm 01:02 that condition (HMON_APPLIED) doesnt exist in gh 01:02 neither does hmode for that matter 01:04 having a conduct for not using weapons /at all/ is plausible, but then it should trigger on things like #force in addition to wield and throw 01:04 ais523: Message from AmyBSOD\srn at 2018-06-26 01:55 EDT: also, you suggested an unaligned quest? I'm planning to make one, which will be 15 levels in length with a difficult boss at the end, but failing to complete it will cause a stronger version of that boss to appear on each of the elemental planes. :D 01:04 its the wielded weapon conduct in nethack 01:05 for some reaosn in grunthack its counting that conduct as broken if you throw a weapon at a monster and score a hit 01:05 *reason 01:06 K2: yes; I mean, you could redefeine the conduct if you wanted to (or better, have both) 01:06 flavourwise, you'd expect weaponless to apply to thrown weapons too, but that might not be ideal in gameplay terms 01:06 i'm trying to figure out if sgrunt did this on purpose or if its a mistake 01:07 hmm, "no edged/bladed weapons" might be interesting as a conduct 01:07 especially for classes like valks and barbarians who are unlikely to use anything else otherwise 01:08 its just that grunthack has the same conduct as vanila - no hitting with a *wielded* weapon. throwing it doesnt break that conduct in any other variant afaik 01:09 does it matter (in GH) whether the weapon was wielded immediately before being thrown? 01:09 no 01:10 already tested that 01:10 doesnt matter if you readied it ro not either 01:10 *or 01:23 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:36 hrm 01:36 i cant tell why gh considered throwing a weapon as breaking wielded weapon conduct 01:36 *considers 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:30719 01:43 <[Demo][srn]1> because it needs fixing 01:43 <[Demo][srn]1> and you have the power 01:45 <@IceBox> so how does a mind flayers attack actually work? I feel like i must have been stupidly lucky so far. They have an int drain, amnesia and brain eating attack and none of them have ever happened to me 01:45 <@IceBox> is the brain eating attack a pass/fail instadeath? 01:46 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 3823 points, T:4160, eaten by a blue dragon 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:30769 01:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:47 IceBox: No, and it's one attack that does all three. 01:48 -!- AmyBSOD has joined #hardfought 01:49 <@IceBox> so the "braineating" is the int drain then 01:49 <@IceBox> so next question, am i just stupidly lucky that i've fought several flayers and every time see the message "your helmet blocks the attack"? 01:49 <@IceBox> or is amnesia semi infrequent 01:50 All three> by which I mean 1) int drain 2) amnesia 3) a message about brain eating 01:50 I think you have been reasonably lucky. A helmet has a 7/8 chance of blocking it, but a MF has 3 of this attack and a MMF 5. Of course, it also has to hit. 01:51 People fear it because 1) the amnesia is Really Annoying and 2) you cannot be lifesaved from Int 0. 01:51 <@IceBox> ah so a single hit will inflict those 2 things 01:51 <@IceBox> and is the amnesia from MF the same as reading a scroll? 01:51 25% of objects and levels for MF. 01:52 <@IceBox> nice, good to know well no regrets on genociding then 😉 01:52 <@IceBox> thanks! 01:53 It wouldn't be my first genocide - it's annoying not fatal and they can be easily destroyed with ranged attacks. 01:53 ... and since they're speed 12 you have to either get pinned down or voluntarily melee them. (Don't do that.) 01:54 It's a less wasted genocide than ; but that isn't saying much. 01:58 !setmintc 0 01:58 AmyBSOD: Min reported turncount for amybsod set to 0 01:59 -!- AmyBSOD is now known as LarienTelrunya 01:59 LarienTelrunya: Splatted in Sanctum with 2 1/2 hours to go, BTW. 01:59 Pinkbeast: :(( 02:00 we lost most ascensions, most medusa kills and dumbshit trophy! if we had gotten them all, we would have won 02:00 (thanks elenmirie for naming the latter) 02:00 My second loss after the Castle ever. I would say, that's Spork for you, but I did kind of set myself up for it by blowing up my AOLS on a stupid choking earlier. (Appropriate; my pre-first-win death was a stupid choking...) 02:01 what killed you? elder priest? spork probably buffed that 02:02 Priest of Moloch doing about 100 damage per turn. Dead before I could quaff the potion out of my bag, but I panicked one turn too late, didn't have WoTele in main inventory, didn't have my rubber chicken in main inventory because carrying too much crap... my own fault really. 02:02 Not the High Priest, just a regular one. 02:02 wtf and they do so much damage??? 02:03 They do more damage than in vanilla, but actually they can do a fair bit in vanilla - the priest rolled about max damage two turns running. 02:03 also why did no one make a junethack wrap-up post for reddit?! maybe I should make one :P 02:03 So if I'd weathered that storm I might have got things back under control. 02:04 spork really seems to love stacking the deck against the player in every conceivable way (well, apart from allowing monsters to zap you with poly and cancel) 02:04 K2: evilhack when ♥ 02:04 Eh, I honestly feel this one was down to player error. It was harsh, but not unbeatable; I just didn't beat it. 02:06 I mean, I do feel that harshness would be better with more ways to counter it but that's partly down to having more useful consumables and it being more viable to keep them in main inventory and # DCSS bore 02:08 yeah vanilla(oid) item destruction is just insane, one step on a fire trap and you can say goodbye to every potion and scroll in open inventory because it always targets valuable ones with laser-point precision even if it's supposedly only a 33% or so chance 02:08 have a scroll of genocide out in the open? Murphy's law decrees that you lose it to the first fire attack/trap, no matter how low the chance. 02:09 I think I'd just let people use things directly out of bags with a longer delay post-action 02:09 that would actually be very useful :) 02:10 or there should be a new belt slot, where you can stuff items for quick use (maybe like the utility belt from Castle of the Winds)? you could ready 4 scrolls, 4 potions and 2 wands without risking their destruction (but item-stealers could steal them off the belt) 02:10 Interface isn't too hard, you quaff your bag, get a list of quaffables in the bag. Takes the same 2 turns as removing potion from bag and quaffing but you get the heal right away. 02:10 belt slot> that I leave to the developers of variants with More Stuff 02:12 ... mind you that doesn't sound like a bad idea if one is going to add More Stuff 02:16 yeah coding that might be a pain 02:17 Some (option-set) inventory letters are belt slots if you put an appropriate item there. 02:18 All this is doing is providing protection from itemdest, as you stuff them into your underpant^W belt 02:18 and would pants slot be worth adding? 02:18 bug_sniper: The pants question is answered! 02:18 LOL pants slot sounds like it should be in slex :P 02:18 and foocubuses could do... things to it :D 02:19 ... but we know the character has no pants (I mean, underpants, to avoid any transAtlantic confusion, but also no trousers) 02:20 what? I thought we knew the character has, because using #sit on a cockatrice corpse isn't deadly even if you're naked 02:20 No, because foocubus encounters don't ask about removing them. 02:21 You're wearing a frock, and you scoot the hem under you when you sit down. 02:21 you should see the message that slex gives if a foocubus seduces you :) 02:22 I will in the approximate eon it takes github to show me a simple source file 02:23 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/master/src/mhitu.c (I've found that to be much faster, because raw means github doesn't need to show that eye-candy string indentation/syntax highlight/whatever stuff) 02:25 lol someone on 2ch (russian version of 4chan) announced a "FurnHack" variant, i.e. nethack with more furniture, I'm not sure if it's real though, looks like dwarf fortress to me :P 02:26 https://2ch.hk/ro/src/31580/15303561283611.gif 02:26 Do I want to ask why bras are fleecy? 02:26 Pinkbeast: haha, there's 10 occurrences of the word "fleecy" in that file :D well, they feel soft to the touch, hence they're fleecy 02:27 ... indeed the fleecy hands are even more puzzling 02:27 they're also really soft ♥ 02:30 Aaaanyway, notwithstanding SLEX's views on the subject, in vanilla, no pants are mentioned. Hence, frock, for cockatrice-corpse-sitting (etc). 02:31 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 02:31 Furnhack> I do wonder why anyone would bother 02:35 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:44 !tell Luxidream Congratulations for single-handedly winning the tournament and getting more ascensions than anyone else. 02:44 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:44 (but next year the slexual justice warriors will come to take the title! :P) 02:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:52 amy, maybe try parking ascensions next time? 02:53 well my hope is that next time there will be no need for parked ascensions anymore, but it's up to bhaak 02:53 and also the "dumbshit trophy" needs a major redesign :P 02:54 but generally, we would have had to score more ascensions, sadly my nh4 game ended to a death ray or we would have had at least one more 02:57 also, perhaps we need variants with more levels to count for more 02:57 so slex, with 3 times as many levels due to the bell towers, will have its trophies count for 3 times as much 03:00 why does that remind me of a stupid soccer tournament where the referee said "goals scored by girls count 3 times as much"? that was soooooooooooo stupid because I was the goalkeeper and the girls from the opposing team were constantly scoring against me 03:00 in the end I was so annoyed that I resorted to fouling them whenever I got the chance, but we lost anyway :P 03:05 If a per-level points scheme comes in I shall exploit it with StairsHack :-) 03:07 Damn, I'd have had Spork "ascended without Elbereth" 03:08 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 03:09 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 03:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:17 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1274 points, T:1508, zapped himself with a spell 03:26 LarienTelrunya: what would you about the parked ascensions 03:26 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 740 points, T:1431, killed by a rothe, while fainted 03:27 bhaak: not sure, but there's gotta be a way to fix it... 03:27 maybe ascensions that happen earlier in the month should somehow count more :P 03:28 no 03:28 there are many players who cant play as often or all month due to other committments 03:29 you can say about parked ascensions what you want, but it made the tournament interesting until the last day (or at least it makes the last day interesting again) 03:30 if you want to deter parked asc, make wall clock time weighted 03:30 but then that penalizes those who cant play as often 03:30 bhaak: "interesting"... :P 03:31 it's basically giving the other clans a false sense of security because they never know how many ascensions you'll pump out on the last day 03:31 that said, if Luxidream had ascended each of them instead of parking them, we would have been completely demoralized by seeing the # of ascensions that the cockatrices are pumping out 03:32 you mean 'you' 03:32 making wall clock time weighted also penalizes those who can't play fast, as I said before 03:32 not 'we' 03:32 raisse: right, thats not a good option 03:33 and I refuse to accept that speed equals skill 03:33 (not only because *I* can't play fast) 03:36 K2: "we" = "team srn" :D 03:43 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:44 okay I made a reddit post to sum up Junethack :D 03:45 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1212 points, T:1371, killed by a dwarvish lord 03:54 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 119 points, T:460, killed by a dwarf 04:00 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:02 oh hey... sprunge is working again 04:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:04 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:05 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:24 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 04:39 -!- zid has left #hardfought 04:40 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 04:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 04:41 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:41 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 05:25 YASI: what if there could be altars consecrated to deities of other pantheons too, i.e. gods of roles that you're not playing? 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11:37 delicious? 11:37 <@IceBox> playing a barb with 2 arti's generated already. Is master key of thievery a solid wish to make? 11:38 <@luxidream> generally don't artiwish outside of junethack 11:38 @luxidream: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-07-02 02:44 EDT: Congratulations for single-handedly winning the tournament and getting more ascensions than anyone else. 11:38 <@IceBox> haha ^^ 11:38 <@IceBox> but i'm not sure i can survive without that half damage, haha 11:38 <@IceBox> i need my valk crutch! 11:38 <@luxidream> you're a barb, you have a million hp 11:39 <@IceBox> hahaha, i almost got 3 shot by a mino. I guess after castle i'll see what i can get my AC up to and re-asses 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] THWACK (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 8612 points, T:8159, quit 11:40 <@Tone> Definitely don't arti wish if there's a failure chance 11:41 <@Tone> Minotaurs are supposed to be deadly 11:41 <@IceBox> well they for sure fricken are haha 11:42 <@IceBox> polymorph always has all monsters in the "pool" right? or is there consideration for level/depth/what "can" spawn 11:43 <@Tone> Once you get your hp and AC up, they'll start to look like walking wands of digging 😄 11:43 <@IceBox> is it common to bless a certain number of healing potions as a way to increase HP? 11:43 <@luxidream> alchemy first 11:44 <@Tone> Full healing only, yes 11:44 <@Tone> It got nerfed a bit in 36x so it isn't as reliable as it used to be 11:44 <@Tone> Polymorph is completely random as far as I can tell 11:45 <@IceBox> nerfed as in it doesn't always give the increase or the increase is smaller? 11:45 <@Tone> You'll get out of depth and gehennom-only monsters or whatever 11:45 <@Tone> Alchemy was nerfed 11:46 <@Tone> You used to alchemize everything in the stack you dip 11:46 <@Tone> Now it's something like 2-9 potions 11:47 <@Tone> So it requires more of the rarer/useful potions to get lots of full healing 11:58 lol that was a bugged spork minetown 11:58 well i got some free stuff from it 11:58 <[Demo][srn]1> yall tin openers should check my jnh asc dumplogs 11:58 <[Demo][srn]1> I left some great named tin openers 11:58 <[Demo][srn]1> mostly not that great but just insulting 12:00 <[Demo][srn]1> should probably have saved a wish for a cockatrice corpse to name to insult them too cause that might have been more sensible 12:14 Whether or not monster polymorph respects difficulty is entirely dependent on what the source of the polymorph is; they're all separate calls. 12:22 <@luxidream> how come the imaginary widget isn't in any variant yet 12:23 isn't that like the 0 monster 12:23 monster with index 0 12:23 <@luxidream> I think it's the magic missile artifact weapon 12:23 huh 12:24 AD_MAGM 12:24 seems like it 12:24 yeah 12:24 man the artifact code is so stupid 12:26 if you want to implement another shock weapon, you have to rewrite the code because the hit message is hardcoded as "the massive hammer hits..." 12:26 If I had to make a list of the worst aspects of the NetHack codebase, honestly, I don't think the artifact code would really be on my list. 12:26 it sjust stupid 12:26 its the opposite of extensible 12:27 Have you seen the way polyform-specific special attacks are handled? 12:28 If you want to add one, you have to change the code in at least half a dozen places. 12:28 Tracking them all down isn't trivial. 12:28 Terrain is worse. 12:28 <@escargott'em> Time for the old jonadab refactor magic 12:28 I've delegated that refactor to FIQ. 12:29 stenno: AntiGulp did just what you're talking about (the shock weapon thing) :D 12:29 lol nice 12:29 <[Demo][srn]1> just do what dnh does 12:29 <[Demo][srn]1> and special case the message for each one 12:29 <@luxidream> shouldn't any variant with object properties already have taken care of that 12:29 <[Demo][srn]1> so that shock weapons are more flavorful 12:29 <[Demo][srn]1> do object properties use artifact.c code? 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:31610 12:29 <[Demo][srn]1> or do they run artifact hits through the new object property code? 12:30 stenno: Given how readily some variants (slex, dnh, splice) add artifacts, I would agree with jonadab that it can't be THAT inextensible. 12:30 well its just annoying 12:30 I'm not saying it's great. 12:30 I'm just saying it's not AS BAD as a lot of things in this codebase. 12:31 otmp gets passed so you can read the weapon 12:31 <[Demo][srn]1> it is fucking nothing compared to how dumb some shit is 12:31 my pet peeve wand breaking is stupid too 12:31 Wand breaking is problematic, yes. 12:31 Prone to weird bugs when you make changes. 12:32 <[Demo][srn]1> good to know 12:32 <[Demo][srn]1> will do my best to avoid 12:32 Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to make breaking a wand of light create an explosion of light, which lights up the area around it temporarily, with the radius decreasing over time until it finally finishes 300 turns later. 12:33 Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is 12:34 to be honest, mkclass is also really dumb 12:35 For bonus points, make a zapped wand of light glow for several dozen turns after it's zapped, again with a decreasing radius. 12:35 mkclass is arcane 12:35 easy to misread 12:35 just adding a monster to monst.c in the wrong place can have hilarious consequences 12:35 That too. 12:36 quite telling that the few parts of the code where i have deeper insight in there is something stupid 12:36 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:36 i assume thats also true for the codepaths where i don't have so many insight 12:37 stenno: did you see Amy's glowing review of ITO in her junethack wrap-up post on reddit 12:37 yes 12:37 'lead by stenno' 12:37 i don't think so 12:37 maybe you should've been clan admin 12:38 I would take anything she says cum shakero salis. 12:38 eh, maybe next time in $novembertournament 12:41 <[Demo][srn]1> oh god 12:47 a club named keolewa 12:48 spork? 12:48 yeah 12:49 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Quit: two forces in balance \\ ancient endless balance \\ then nothing] 12:49 Sounds Hawaiian. 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:31895 12:51 <[Demo][srn]1> how unreal of a word is espion? 12:51 GruntHack updated (all servers) 12:51 <[Demo][srn]1> yey 12:52 ^ fixes breaking the 'never hit with wielded weapon' conduct by throwing/firing weapons 12:53 Note that Mjollnir has to be wielded to be thrown. Whether this should break the conduct could be a matter of interpretation. 12:54 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 293 points, T:725, zapped himself with a spell 12:55 <@IceBox> if you polypile armor does it stay the same type of armor? Zapping a magical glove creates another magical glove? 12:56 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 12:56 no 12:57 it tries twice to preserve the magicalness of the new item, but what it's actually rolling is just a random piece of armor 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 245935 points, T:32217, killed by a minotaur 12:57 <@IceBox> fiddlesticks haha 12:57 <@IceBox> didn't have the discipline 😉 13:00 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Arc Red Fem Cha), 49472 points, T:4769, killed by a monster (gnome warrior), while frozen by their own wand 13:06 B - an uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of force. 13:06 aw yiss 13:07 <[Demo][srn]1> whats that do 13:08 Probably knocks enemies back when you hit them? 13:08 Either that or gives you a ranged choke attack. 13:08 ^ YASI 13:09 !who 13:09 PavelB: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [nh4] monstergrin [dnh] hypnotist [nh361] knavery [nh361] 13:09 PavelB: [hdf-eu] No current players 13:09 PavelB: [hdf-au] No current players 13:15 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 13:18 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 13:18 jonadab: ha 13:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:21871 13:28 it does guaranteed staggering blow 13:29 like on each hit 13:29 <[Demo][srn]1> wow 13:33 <[Demo][srn]1> hmm platinum dragon tower clockworks should be made of platinum 13:36 You hear the roaring of a confused bear! 13:37 <[Demo][srn]1> oh man this is gonna be weird 13:42 <@rikersan> is chris here 13:43 yes 13:43 <@rikersan> kk thanks 13:43 <@rikersan> Chris_ANG: on save/restore (and lvl enter I think) you get bad xwep restore errors sometimes 13:43 <@rikersan> for example, the shattered zig cultists on gatetown 13:43 <@rikersan> something somehting bad weapon restore save and reload something something 13:44 Yeah, not sure what causes it, but haven't taken a dedicated shot at finding the problem either. 13:45 <@rikersan> ok cool 13:45 <@rikersan> what did you think of hte astral idea? 13:45 SMOP 13:45 <@rikersan> hm ok 13:45 It'd either take a really nasty hack or a complete rewrite of most of the game. 13:46 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya why exactly did you propose to mandevil? aren't you gay anyway 13:46 Will do, @rikersan! 13:46 <@rikersan> chris_ang hm true I guess 13:46 I forget if FIQ is able to do that or not. 13:47 I believe it was one of his goals. 13:47 <@rikersan> complete rewrite? 13:47 He has extensively rewritten things, yeah. 13:48 I believe his goal was for the player character to be just another monster, that happens to get its input from the player rather than an AI script. 13:48 <@rikersan> k2: your reddit username makes me flash back to my parents telling me "never put your real name/age/SSN online" , lol 13:50 I know he's 46-47 years old. NOW I KNOW ALL HIS SECRETS 13:51 my sporkhack game just crashed 13:51 <@rikersan> aosdict: he's said that before I thought 13:51 and it was destroyed 13:51 @rikersan just going off k2_1971 13:51 <@rikersan> well yeah 13:51 at the castle 13:51 note to self 13:51 don't use acid against iron bars 13:51 it destroys your game 13:51 <@rikersan> why not? 13:51 good to know 13:51 <@rikersan> oh dang 13:51 enough sporkhack then 13:52 <@rikersan> !race dnh 13:52 nice waste of time 13:52