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01:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 17134 points, T:8616, killed by a dingo
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03:31 <rld> <@Fiddy> I have a question about bones files: I have a bones file with 4 water demons in it (for simplicity, let's say it's my only bones file). If I encounter that bones level and kill 2 of the demons before dying, what will my bones file(s) be like afterwards?
03:35 <Muad> Fiddy, it will be exactly like it is at your second death, except with one more ghost.
03:35 <Muad> So, 2 remaining demons, and your second character's stuff and ghost.
03:38 <rld> <@Fiddy> Cool, thanks for the info
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03:54 <Muad> Fiddy, you did know about the low likelihood of generating bones files?
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04:25 <ProzacElf> hey Mandevil
04:26 * winny pops some irc-prozac
04:28 <Mandevil> ProzacElf: Hello
04:30 <ProzacElf> how goes?
04:38 <Mandevil> Nothing special here.
04:40 <ProzacElf> i see your clan finished 3rd?
04:41 <Mandevil> Yeah.
04:41 <Mandevil> Got three wins myself, so I am quite content.
04:41 <Mandevil> What about your clan? ;-)
04:42 <Mandevil> Oh, SRN.
04:42 <Mandevil> The whining Amy clan.
04:44 <winny> i'm glad i avoided whatever drama went over recently :)
04:59 <Announcy> Junethack: Junethack 2018 has ended! Thanks for playing!
05:00 <winny> well that's a bit late
05:01 <elenmirie> Announcy is a bit slow on the uptake :)
05:01 <Announcy> I'm announcing Junethack events. Ask bhaak or #junethack for more info.
05:07 <ProzacElf> haha
05:07 <ProzacElf> what was she whining about?
05:07 <ProzacElf> i contributed basically nothing to the win
05:08 <ProzacElf> er
05:08 <ProzacElf> the second place
05:12 <bhaak> I forgot to set the timer for the automatic ending message ^_^
05:12 <bhaak> next time I should integrate that in the db setup as we have now a "release news at $later_date" feature
05:14 <winny> ProzacElf: no clue, i think k2 has deets
05:18 <ProzacElf> ah
05:29 <Mandevil> ProzacElf: She whined about everything that did not go her way.
05:29 <ProzacElf> lol
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06:01 <bhaak> aosdict: SlexyRobberNymphets	21.16, teamsplat	21.00, Luxidream	15.51, orderofthecockatrice	7.09
06:07 <elenmirie> I'm still trying to wrap my head around what it takes to ascend 38 times in 30 days... :D
06:08 <bhaak> time :-)
06:09 <elenmirie> and relentless dedication :)
06:09 <bhaak> for all we know luxidream could be an AI collective
06:09 <elenmirie> ah, today junethack, tomorrow all of humanity!
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06:23 <bhaak> aosdict: ah, you wanted both clan Tariru and Luxidream:  Luxidream 15.51 rank 3, Tariru 3.54 rank 6
06:25 <bhaak> Tariru has less variance in the role/race combinations, much less medusa kills, only the 13 games he played
06:33 <Mandevil> elenmirie: 5 ascensions in 4 days for the whole month.
06:34 <elenmirie> yeah
06:34 <elenmirie> I can ascend in a day sometimes, if I really apply myself and have good luck
06:39 <Mandevil> I think it's a record.
06:39 <Mandevil> Not even Tariru has more.
06:41 <zid> I picked up a 1st on the player scoreboard, and was the only person two get 2 of the trophies, and got my clan some points, I'm happy enough
06:42 <bhaak> Adeon's old streak of 29 ascensions was over a period of several months. of course luxidream didn't have to play carefully enough for a streak
06:43 <bhaak> looks like NetHack is a solved game, let's call it a day and everybody delete from their harddisks :-]
06:44 <Muad> the only winning move?
06:44 <bhaak> yes, you can't die if you don't play. so you can have an eternal ascension streak of 0.
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07:11 <aosdict> bhaak: I guess I expected Tariru to do better with having more trophies, but I guess Luxidream was ascending more than just dyna so caught up a little bit there
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07:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law), 42366 points, T:2379, killed by a killer bee
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08:25 <K2> bhaak: can we get a breakdown of how many games were played on each server?
08:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:41297
08:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:41604
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08:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 19 points, T:47, killed by a boiling potion
08:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] arnibald (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:41915
09:01 <bhaak> K2: https://pastebin.com/raw/ywpwwfbx
09:02 <K2> NAO still gets more games lol
09:03 <K2> kinda surprised to see hdf-eu edge out hdf-us
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09:03 <Muad> what else would EU play on?
09:03 <K2> but... thats over 5000 games played here
09:04 <K2> Muad ascension.run is in germany
09:04 <Muad> K2, looks like they don't have 3.6.1 though
09:05 <K2> nope they dont
09:05 <K2> hmm odd
09:05 <Muad> yes
09:05 <K2> ah well, kerio has his reasons
09:05 <Muad> any stats on games per variant?
09:05 <K2> yeah
09:06 <K2> https://junethack.net/activity
09:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 365 points, T:1406, killed by a bat, while sleeping
09:06 <K2> 3.6.1 dominated
09:06 <K2> then dnethack
09:06 <K2> but, to win certain trophies, using dnethack to scum for them was the best variant to use
09:07 <K2> hah less than 100 sporkhack games played... shame
09:08 <K2> xnethack and splicehack had decent showing for first time in tourney imo
09:08 <aosdict> quantify please
09:08 <K2> 361 total xnethack games
09:09 <K2> that beat out other variants that have been around awhile
09:09 <Muad> table does not list 1.3d
09:09 <K2> ooh it doesnt
09:09 <K2> ^ bhaak
09:10 <Mandevil> K2: xnethack/splicehack had more games than fiq.
09:11 <K2> bhaak: the activity page should show games per server breakdown too
09:11 <K2> that would be neat-o
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09:29 <aosdict> hah xnethack had exactly 361 games. awesome
09:29 <aosdict> poor sporkhack
09:30 <aosdict> Mandevil: I feel like that is a consequence of mtf not playing at all
09:36 <bhaak> the games-per-server query that I have right now is not very efficient and can't therefore be put on /activity in that state.
09:37 <bhaak> I'll have to see if that can be optimized
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10:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an elf-lord, on T:8345
10:11 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> aosdict:  Yeah that could be a fun list.  There seemed to be a number of interesting/fun 36x changes that almost no one would ever notice during normal gameplay
10:18 <aosdict> oh right I can never find what I'm looking for in splicehack git log
10:23 <aosdict> ok, YANI for will-o-the-wisps that more or less is what I am considering for xnethack: they are gray y-class monsters that spawn individually and leave no corpse. They have no active attacks but have a passive blindness attack. They emit light in a radius of 0 (so that you can see them but only them, no surrounding squares, across a dark area).
10:24 <aosdict> Probably not infravisible. May have teleportitis to duplicate the effect of them suddenly vanishing. They have a special AI that will cause them to orbit around treasure (unlikely) or hazards such as traps or monsters (much more likely).
10:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9833
10:29 <aosdict> Oh, and spawns rarely in swamp rooms, of course.
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10:30 <AntiGulp> beholder do I have messages?
10:30 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from aosdict\ito at 2018-06-29 16:15 EDT: wands of wonder appear to not be able to replicate enlightenment - it uses switch (rn2(3)) and enlightenment is in a case 3
10:30 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2018-06-29 20:49 EDT: splicehack segfault - http://termbin.com/b3ix - version 0.3.1
10:30 <bug_sniper> how did tariru lose a game to panic?
10:30 <aosdict> AntiGulp: ^ is in the zapnodir specifically, they appear to be able to replicate enlightenment otherwise
10:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 17098 points, T:9966, killed by a Green-elf
10:31 <AntiGulp> Gotcha, thank you aosdict! I’m about to drop 4.0, so I’ll update that first.
10:31 <aosdict> ...I have lost the version update race
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10:32 <AntiGulp> You might not have, I still have no clue how to solve hothraxxa’s segfault
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10:32 <aosdict> xnethack is still on 0.2.0 with no plans for a savebreaking update soon :P
10:33 <AntiGulp> :P
10:35 <bug_sniper> looks like the king trophy didn't require a 1.3 win
10:36 <[Demo][srn]1> yikes
10:36 <[Demo][srn]1> Wonder if dnh 3.16.2 soon?
10:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Arc Red Fem Cha), 3506 points, T:1278, drowned in a pool of water by an eel-lizard
10:41 <AntiGulp> This segfault is stumping me really badly. rndmonst() is hitting an impossible case, and I never modified its code. Hmmmm
10:42 <aosdict> probably the code of something that calls rndmonst(). amalgamations?
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10:44 <AntiGulp> It’s definitely amalgamations, but I can’t figure out why it would cause that case to be hit. Might switch functions
10:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 812 points, T:661, orc
10:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 50 points, T:4, gnome
10:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 128 points, T:178, orc
10:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 505 points, T:643, acid blob
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10:56 <nooodle> so like... how did luxidream manage to ascend 30 times in 10 minutes
10:56 <aosdict> K2: was there really such a thing as a "chicken chunks" MRE
10:56 <aosdict> nooodle: ascension parking
10:56 <K2> AntiGulp when do you expect 0.4.0 ?
10:57 <K2> aosdict probably
10:57 <nooodle> but they were all on the same server and all for just two variants, so how is it possible to have that many games about to ascend
10:57 <aosdict> I finally went on a MRE site to find the grossest-sounding ones
10:57 <AntiGulp> K2: 0.4.0 is essentially ready right now, I’m just trying to find a hotfix for hothraxxa’s segfault, which is proving very hard to fix.
10:58 <K2> ok
10:59 <AntiGulp> I have one fix, but it makes amalgamations much more powerful than they were before.
10:59 <K2> i was going to put 0.3.2 on the servers today but if 0.4.0 is imminent i'll wait
11:00 <K2> nooodle: dynahack and nh4 based games allow multiple saves. you have have x number of games going at once
11:00 <nooodle> ohh, ok, that explains. thank you
11:01 <K2> alternate explanation is that luxidream is a cyborg from the future
11:01 <K2> i like that one better
11:01 <nooodle> i mean it's definitely an impressive display of delayed gratifiation
11:02 <K2> 'nethack edging'
11:02 <K2> omg.... lol
11:02 <K2> forget i typed that
11:02 <nooodle> so celestial disgrace would be a ruined ascension
11:02 <K2> yuk
11:02 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> geez K2 😄
11:03 <K2> yeah
11:03 <K2> i'm horrible
11:03 <aosdict> nethack edging?
11:03 <K2> just dont
11:03 <K2> i'm not doing sex ed in here
11:04 <K2> lol
11:05 <nooodle> so is that also the longest streak in hardfought history?
11:05 <nooodle> !streak luxidream
11:05 <Beholder> nooodle: [hdf-us] luxidream Max[nh343]: 1 (2017-06-25 - 2017-06-28). Current[nh361]: 1 (since 2018-06-13).
11:05 <Beholder> nooodle: [hdf-eu] No streaks for luxidream on this server.
11:05 <Beholder> nooodle: [hdf-au] No streaks for luxidream on this server.
11:06 <aosdict> nooodle: nh4 streaks are different I think
11:06 <nooodle> *nods*
11:06 <aosdict> you can't have any deaths in overlapping games
11:06 <aosdict> luxidream definitely had deaths
11:06 <nooodle> that makes sense, good on the devs for catching that case
11:07 <aosdict> I keep saying nh4. it's not nh4
11:07 <aosdict> nitrohack based. whatever
11:08 <AntiGulp> K2: SpliceHack 0.4.0 should actually be ready right now. To say it breaks saves is somewhat of an understatement, as it actually modifies save and restore code in addition to all the other save-breaking changes. Changelog for the version is in the game’s base directory on github, if anyone is interested.
11:11 <aosdict> oh for some reason I thought you meant 4.0.0
11:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 premium heart", on T:11271
11:20 <K2> AntiGulp ok
11:20 <K2> gonna pull it here in just a few min
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11:23 <rld> <@escargott'em> damn watchmen.. why are floating eyes so plentiful only when you don't need them? :p
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11:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Barbara (Silver2195) (Bar Dwa Fem Law) defeated Croesus, on T:33378
11:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:24999
11:47 <K2> !tell AntiGulp in version 0.4.0 are doors supposed to be light grey on purpose? they're same color as the walls now
11:47 <Beholder> Will do, K2!
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11:56 <mulligan> anyone know where I can find a copy of the slash'em source code that isn't on sourceforge?
11:59 <zid> https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended
11:59 * zid typed git slashem into google
11:59 <zid> oh that's slex
11:59 <zid> I hereby declare: There isn't one
11:59 <mulligan> Hm, fiq has a slashem repository
12:12 <bug_sniper> I think it got removed from github
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12:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Barbara (Silver2195) (Bar Dwa Fem Law) defeated Medusa, on T:35478
12:31 <K2> SpliceHack updated (all servers)
12:31 <K2> ^ version 0.4.0
12:32 <stenno> nice
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12:33 <aosdict> that was a weird irssi thing
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12:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:29347
12:42 <K2> !players
12:42 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] monstergrin [dnh] hypnotist [nh361] Silver2195 [4k] 
12:42 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh361] 
12:42 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-au] No current players
12:44 <rld> <@luxidream> why is there angel pirate in spice
12:44 <rld> <@luxidream> but no infernal pirate
13:07 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> @d?damned pirate
13:07 <Beholder> damned pirate (&) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire sleep poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d6 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: breathless, mindless, demon
13:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Barbara (Silver2195) (Bar Dwa Fem Law), 25956 points, T:38203, killed by a blood pudding
13:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed spellbook of identify", on T:14997
13:28 <rld> <@luxidream> @4k? blood pudding
13:28 <Beholder> blood pudding (P) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 0 | Spd: 16 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification drain | Confers: cold shock poison | MR: 75 | Generates: special | AC: -10 | Attacks: 3d8 bite level drain, 0d0 passive level drain | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, regenerates, nopoly, undead
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13:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:10344
13:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 6007 points, T:10416, killed by a bolt of cold
13:49 <rld> <@lapis> Demo: has chris said anything about an update? or do we not know when it's coming
13:49 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> which one
13:50 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> I just built devel 3.16.1 and that's reasonably active
13:50 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> well, 2 weeks ago
13:52 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> @lapis that one looks like it has the nice things like steed weights and make the Arch QA non-silver
13:53 <rld> <@lapis> ah, so it exists but isn't online yet
13:53 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> well it's not on hdf yes
13:54 <rld> <@lapis> i have had issues with making local dnh versions in the past so i haven't tried it in a while
13:56 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> what OS?
13:56 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> you may need to change the menucolors bit
14:02 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> !tell Chris_ANG on macOS, dnethack is looking for the .nethackrc file instead of the .dnethackrc file? what gives?
14:02 <Beholder> Will do, @rikersan\srn!
14:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:15993
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14:13 <PavelB> Who's celebrating Canada Day :D
14:13 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> is that a thing
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14:14 <PavelB> It totally is a thing
14:14 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> great
14:14 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> since google's first result is
14:14 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> "Donald Trump crashes the Canada Day party"
14:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3397
14:15 <PavelB> :]
14:23 <rld> <@IceBox> 3.6.1 aklys really are amazing, just a PSA
14:23 <stenno> how come
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14:24 <rld> <@lapis> riker, just to check, devel-3.16.1 is the right version?
14:24 <rld> <@IceBox> they return to your hand, when weilded
14:24 <rld> <@IceBox> the amount of times this has saved me in general, and saved me in soko (attacking monster stuck behind boulder) is amazing
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14:25 <stenno> oh wow thats in vanilla?
14:25 <rld> <@IceBox> yeah, crazy right?
14:25 <rld> <@IceBox> floating eyes, blue jellies, acid blobs
14:26 <rld> <@IceBox> makes so many things easier/faster to kill
14:27 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> yes @lapis
14:30 <stenno> isn't that actually from dnethack?
14:30 <stenno> or was it from un
14:30 <stenno> maybe from un
14:30 <rld> <@IceBox> like the aklys throwing feature?
14:30 <stenno> yeah
14:30 <rld> <@IceBox> dunno where it came from but i'm psyched it's in vanilla
14:30 <rld> <@IceBox> i think it originated in one of those two though
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14:30 <rld> <@IceBox> also why doesn't this petrify
14:30 <rld> <IceBox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/463048874311942144/unknown.png
14:31 <rld> <@IceBox> blind and walked over a cockatrice corpse
14:31 <stenno> gloves?
14:31 <Pinkbeast> Icebox: gloves.
14:31 <rld> <@IceBox> ah shit yeah i happen to have some, didn't realize cuz i usually dont by this time in the game
14:31 <stenno> yesterday there was a guy in here who claimed that you cannot wish for magic whistles in the 3.6.2 windows builds
14:32 <rld> <@IceBox> if i wasn't wearing gloves would i have just gotten petrified?
14:32 <stenno> does anyone have a windows to test this?
14:32 <Pinkbeast> Icebox: yes
14:32 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> aklys are great in 361
14:32 <Pinkbeast> stenno: I do but they're still in the source and they were being kind of an arse about it so I didn't
14:32 <rld> <@IceBox> gross, that's scary
14:32 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> I used one a lot with my recent caveman ascension
14:32 <rld> <@IceBox> i would've never known if not for your stream tone
14:32 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> enchanted it and was using it to kill mind flayers and whatnot
14:33 <Pinkbeast> IceBox: Oddly, you can sit on one without stoning, the basis of the famous pants question
14:33 <stenno> yeah i looked into the source too and i did see the nwis bit (not) set correctly
14:33 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> it has a chance to not return to your hand (like Mjolnir) so it's not 100% reliable
14:33 <stenno> so i couldn't see why this wouldn't work
14:33 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> I imagine it would be great against the riders too
14:33 <rld> <@IceBox> do +0 gloves of dexterity basically not do anything?
14:33 <stenno> maybe they fooled around with readobjnam
14:33 <Pinkbeast> IceBox: Point of AC.
14:33 <rld> <@IceBox> right, other than that*
14:34 <stenno> protects from touching c corpses :P
14:34 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Their just gloves with potential 😄
14:34 <rld> <@IceBox> good to know, so if they're special but dont cause fumbling that's probably what i have, right?
14:34 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> They're*
14:34 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> do you know what leather gloves look like?
14:34 <stenno> special meaning 50zm?
14:34 <Pinkbeast> stenno: I certainly don't believe it was intentional (of all the overly good stuff to wish for, why take out magic whistles). I expect the user was probably confused.
14:34 <Pinkbeast> IceBox: I think so but check the object ID spoiler.
14:35 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> stenno:  What was the whistle thing?  I can check
14:35 <Pinkbeast> Tone: Can you wish for a magic whistle in the Windows 3.6.2 beta?
14:35 <stenno> @Tone\ootc try to wish for a magic whistle in wizmode in the 3.6.2 windows build
14:35 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> ah 362
14:35 <rld> <@IceBox> ah for some reason i thought leather gloves already had that appearance
14:35 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> I need to download that, one sec
14:36 <rld> <@IceBox> so after price ID it'll be known
14:36 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> yep
14:36 <stenno> @IceBox yep
14:36 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> A lot of classes know leather gloves' appearance to start
14:36 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> but not all
14:36 <stenno> all humans, right?
14:36 <rld> <@IceBox> barbs?
14:36 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Same with helmets
14:36 <Pinkbeast> IceBox: Just look in \
14:36 <stenno> hrm maybe not
14:37 <rld> <@IceBox> good point, they're in there 😃
14:37 <stenno> so its GoD
14:37 <Pinkbeast> stenno: I don't think there's any "human racial gear" that humans know
14:37 <rld> <@IceBox> i dont check in there enough 😃
14:37 <stenno> yeah fair enough
14:38 <rld> <@IceBox> so does this line mean that it's safe to wear a visored helm (for the raven blinding protection, for example)
14:38 <rld> <IceBox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/463050707713523732/unknown.png
14:38 <rld> <@IceBox> or might it still be opp align?
14:38 <Pinkbeast> IceBox: Please read the spoiler.
14:39 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> It will just appear as a helmet if you know that's what it is already
14:39 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> It's like knowing a puce potion is booze or whatever
14:39 <rld> <@IceBox> yeah i just wasn't super clear on it because i've never seen "visored helmet" appear as "helmet"
14:40 <Pinkbeast> IceBox: Yeah as in "I have read it"?
14:40 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Every time you've seen a helmet it was actually an etched helmet, visored helmet, etc
14:40 <rld> <@IceBox> correct, i've at least glanced at the wiki for every question i ask 😃
14:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed the Nightmare, on T:16793
14:41 <Pinkbeast> IceBox: I didn't recommend you glance at the wiki; I recommend you read the Object Identification Spoiler.
14:41 <Pinkbeast> Because then you won't have to ask (so many of) these questions it answers.
14:41 <stenno> shameless self plug? :P
14:41 <Pinkbeast> stenno: False modesty aside it's a pretty damn good spoiler and it is the right spoiler for this problem :-)
14:42 <stenno> do you have updated 3.6.1 spoilers?
14:42 <stenno> yeah fair enough
14:42 <stenno> i read your stuff a lot 
14:42 <rld> <@IceBox> Pinkbeast: a ctrl+F for "helmet" on the Object Identification page reveals one and only one result under "Scroll Identification"
14:42 <Pinkbeast> stenno: I don't - my other one hasn't changed, and Object ID has only changed a bit. It does need updated. I was hoping someone who _plays_ 3.6.1 would do it. :-(
14:42 <rld> <@IceBox> i'm going to take that as a sign that my question was well placed in this channel 😃
14:43 <stenno> thanks to the quick-ish release of 3.6.1 unfortunately the wiki is out of date for a lot of things
14:43 <stenno> Pinkbeast: i wrote a spoiler about monster spawns but somehow never finished it so that i was satisfied with it
14:43 <Pinkbeast> IceBox: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Identification has a link at the bottom (to a page with a link to the current version)
14:43 <stenno> so its currently abandoned
14:44 <stenno> maybe i should just finish it, host it on github
14:44 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> heh, Windows Defender doesn't like the name NetHack
14:45 <stenno> m(
14:45 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> I wished for a wand of wishing
14:45 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> then used that to wish for a magic whistle
14:45 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> and I got a magic whistle
14:46 <Pinkbeast> IceBox: and http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~eva/nethack/spoilerlist.html is a list of all the pre-wiki spoilers, many of which are still much better.
14:46 <stenno> @Tone\ootc feel like replying to this reddit question then? https://www.reddit.com/comments/8vbw81
14:46 <stenno> (thanks for testing btw)
14:47 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> heh
14:48 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Variant paranoia in 3.6.2 😄
14:48 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Yeah I'll post a reply
14:48 <stenno> seems like it..
14:48 <PavelB> Is 3.6.2 just fixes or is there content
14:48 <stenno> if nethack used semver, it'd only be bugfixes
14:48 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> I think there were a handful of windows issues that were addressed
14:49 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> haven't really kept up with it though
14:49 <stenno> wonder if the devteam will skip nethack 4.x.x
14:49 <Pinkbeast> Wonder if the devteam will _get_ to 4.x.x
14:49 <stenno> like they skipped 3.5
14:49 <stenno> haha
14:49 <stenno> i am optimistic tbh given the changes in the last years
14:50 <Pinkbeast> Ha ha only serious - I think in their versioning 4.0.0 would be a massive change (even going to a branching dungeon didn't merit a major version bump). "NetHack 4" is 3.x.x in Devteam world, I think.
14:52 <stenno> hmm
14:52 <Pinkbeast> I am also optimistic about further development.
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14:57 <stenno> errr
14:58 <stenno> how can i fill an oil lamp with oil in sporkhack
14:58 <Pinkbeast> #dip
14:58 <stenno> that greased my lamp
14:58 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> lmao
14:58 <Pinkbeast> stenno: Worked for me
14:58 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> That sounds dangerous
14:58 <rld> <@IceBox> Never seen that link before Pinkbeast, thanks for pointing it out 😃
14:58 <rld> <@IceBox> for object identification
14:58 <stenno> ah worked the second time o_O
14:59 <stenno> wonder how i typo'd there
14:59 <stenno> maybe applied
14:59 <stenno> not that would light it
14:59 <stenno> wow that was really dumb
14:59 <Pinkbeast> stenno: A cursed potion of oil makes you Glib
15:00 <stenno> was identified as uncursed
15:00 <Pinkbeast> If the base type is "greasy", it makes things greasy if they're not.
15:00 <Pinkbeast> So you can only fill a greasy lamp - keep that one.
15:00 <stenno> aah gotcha
15:00 <stenno> that was it then
15:01 <stenno> well i am dead anyway so :P
15:01 <aosdict> Pinkbeast: one extremely marginal 3.6 change to identification is that wands of cold will vanish burned engravings
15:02 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: Hm. But you wrote with your fingers before engrave-IDing a wand anyway, right?
15:02 <Pinkbeast> aosdict: Let me put that in my file of notes just in case.
15:03 <aosdict> I could see it being used e.g. at the end of Sokoban when you've collected some wands and find a burned Elbereth.
15:04 <Pinkbeast> Not so much being used as "catching you out", yes?
15:05 <rld> <@lapis> yeah having tried it again for a bit, i'm pretty sure me compiling anything on windows 8 won't work lol
15:05 <aosdict> Experimenting, the only wands that will destroy a fire engraving are fire, lightning (overwrite), digging (overwrite and turn into just engraved), the regular vanish wands, and cold.
15:06 <aosdict> but non-directional wands will still consume a charge.
15:06 <Pinkbeast> I mean, since cold will unambiguously ID itself if you aren't on a burned engraving, and confuses itself with vanishers if you are, this is a gotcha, not an extra technique. (Which is not to say it's not worth mentioning - gotchas are important)
15:07 <Pinkbeast> I have notes back to 2006 so perhaps I should get off my arse and do a NHID 1.4.5 and 1.6.0
15:07 <aosdict> Actually, cold gives the ice cubes message even when it removes the burned engraving
15:07 <aosdict> but can still be confusing
15:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:41517
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15:58 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> YANI: hallu potions cure stoning (as they're "acid")
15:58 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> possibly evil bit: cursed potions of hallu make you "stoned" :P
15:58 <raisse> that matches my YANI, hallucinating protects against petrification because "you are already stoned"
15:59 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> yeah I checked on asodict's page I thouhgt somebody else mentioned it
15:59 <raisse> that must have been me then
15:59 <[Demo][srn]1> has anyone ever made a nethack assistant?
15:59 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> define assistange
15:59 <stenno> whatsitcalled
15:59 <stenno> interhack
15:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 254 points, T:536, orc
15:59 <Pinkbeast> Didn't TAEB start as an assistance overlay?
15:59 <aosdict> raisse: technically that idea should be removed since it's already fully realized in Fourk, but eh it's a fantastic one
15:59 <[Demo][srn]1> thanks stenno
16:00 <[Demo][srn]1> you know so much lore it's great
16:00 <[Demo][srn]1> will look into it
16:00 <aosdict> It is written in the Book of Stenno:
16:00 <rld> <@rikersan> yeah I think blessed potions of hallu should cure stoning
16:00 <Beholder> @rikersan: Message from AmyBSOD\srn at 2018-05-31 06:26 EDT: you were playing the angel race; the downside of that is that if your alignment is negative, you literally cannot have any resistance or positive in/extrinsic until you fix it. That's probably what happened.
16:00 <Beholder> @rikersan: Message from [Demo][srn] at 2018-05-31 16:39 EDT: im sorry you played acu in the state it is
16:00 <rld> <@rikersan> oh huh lel
16:00 <stenno> [Demo][srn]1: http://taeb.github.io/interhack/ 
16:01 <aosdict> by the way, I looked into changing that game intro text per role, and there is NO way to do it cleanly. The quest text system is so convoluted.
16:01 <rld> <@rikersan> it's horrifying
16:01 <rld> <@rikersan> I briefly attempted to make a role for dnh and stopped when I realized how weird it was
16:01 <aosdict> I mean more on the code side of things
16:02 <[Demo][srn]1> hey stenno, node question
16:02 <stenno> Pinkbeast: gseems like it
16:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 496 points, T:447, orc
16:02 <stenno> [Demo][srn]1: best asking those in #nodejs :P
16:02 <[Demo][srn]1> is there any way for node to take input from the terminal during execution?
16:02 <stenno> but shoot, i guess
16:02 <aosdict> rikersan: the logical way to do it would be to define another piece of per-role text
16:02 <stenno> idk i never wrote a terminal program in node :P
16:02 <rld> <@rikersan> readline demo?
16:03 <Pinkbeast> I had a discussion with Pat Rankin in 2006/2009 about changing the quest message system which came to something, it might be worth mentioning it to him
16:03 <stenno> but this is a basic thing so i'd guess so
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16:03 <rld> <@rikersan> use require(readline)
16:03 <stenno> and given that js/node has non-blocking IO so that shouldn't be a problem
16:03 <[Demo][srn]1> Ok thanks also yeah looks like yes thanks  rikersan
16:03 <stenno> ah there we are
16:03 <[Demo][srn]1> gonna go back to tourism
16:03 <aosdict> but it doesn't work like that because it works by seeking nhdat to a certain position to read the message
16:03 <rld> <@rikersan> just reads 1 line from the input, stops on \n iirc
16:03 <rld> <@rikersan> and EOF?
16:04 <aosdict> which prevents you from using two in the same message window
16:04 * aosdict adds questpgr rewrite to the list of things I would do seriously if there were any devteam interest
16:04 <rld> <@rikersan> aosdict: btw, I like your 'astral projection' yani from your page
16:05 <aosdict> heh
16:05 <aosdict> definitely one of the most SMOPy
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16:06 <rld> <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG copied from his page: If you fall asleep while having astral vision, you get astral projection. This consists of you spawning as some sort of incorporeal monster which can phase next to your body. Your body can't move. Your projection can use your items like normal (consumables and charges are used up). If your projection dies, you return to your body and sleep out the remaining duration. If you wake u
16:06 <Beholder> Will do, @rikersan!
16:06 <aosdict> @rikersan if you said anything I didn't see it, rld just bounced
16:06 <rld> return to your body normally; however, combat will not awaken you. If something else kills your body while you're projected, you die and the game ends.
16:06 <Beholder> rld: Message from zid at 2018-06-11 14:06 EDT: Stop using yellow for people's names
16:06 <rld> <@rikersan> I'm sorry if IRCbot doesn' tlike large msgs like that
16:06 <rld> <@rikersan> !ping
16:06 <Beholder> @rikersan: Pong! 
16:06 <rld> <@rikersan> oh shoot it only did one of those
16:06 <rld> <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG copied from his page: If you fall asleep while having astral vision, you get astral projection. This consists of you spawning as some sort of incorporeal monster which can phase next to your body. Your body can't move. Your projection can use your items like normal (consumables and charges are used up). If your projection dies, you return to your body and sleep out the remaining duration. If you wake
16:06 <Beholder> Will do, @rikersan!
16:06 <rld> up, your projection is destroyed and you return to your body normally; however, combat will not awaken you. If something else kills your body while you're projected, you die and the game ends.
16:07 <aosdict> @rikersan the message is overflowing freenode limits
16:07 <stenno> isn't message length more like a ^
16:07 <stenno> that
16:07 <aosdict> just tell him to ctrl-f "astral projection"
16:12 <rld> <@rikersan> oh is it ok
16:12 <aosdict> he will get an incomplete chunk of that wall of text
16:12 <rld> <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG I'm soryr for msg dupes but apparently IRC has message limits, ctrl-f for astral projection here: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Phol_ende_wodan/YANI
16:12 <Beholder> Will do, @rikersan!
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16:13 <aosdict> !tell Chris_ANG For the record, I consider ^ to be a huge SMOP.
16:13 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
16:13 <rld> <@rikersan> aosdict: continuoing your magic fountain bit, should magic fountains dip the first item dipped in them?
16:14 <rld> <@rikersan> or uncurse
16:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:17324
16:14 <rld> <@rikersan> *bless or uncurse whichever applies
16:14 <aosdict> ...dip... the first item dipped?
16:14 <rld> <@rikersan> er, bless the first item dipped
16:14 <stenno> sounds op tbh
16:15 <aosdict> maybe but it would either have to immediately unmagicify the fountain or the level flags would have to be used more intelligently than they are now
16:15 <rld> <@rikersan> well, it's a magic fountain and that would presumeably make them unmagic
16:15 <aosdict> sorry is this an existing YANI
16:15 <rld> <@rikersan> you suggested
16:15 <rld> <@rikersan> > Add as rare possible fountain effects erodeproofing and blessing a dipped object. (Possibly only in magic fountains.)
16:15 <aosdict> fountains have 3 free bits in the level flags
16:16 <stenno> oh i read that as 'guaranteed to bless/curse on the first dip'
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16:18 <[Demo][srn]1> Wait it has a bitfield?
16:18 <aosdict> that idea was my response to antigulp/statuesurfer's dungeon features which had at least secondary purposes of erodeproofing or blessing dipped stuff.
16:18 <aosdict> just add the effects to fountains
16:18 <aosdict> but yes I can see it as an extension to that YANI that if you do get a bless, the fountain might become unmagic
16:19 <aosdict> then again, if it's a rare effect, and the fountain's going to dry up eventually anyway...
16:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 582 points, T:1160, killed by a gnome
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16:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:900
16:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 1131 points, T:973, orc
16:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1574 points, T:3176, killed by a soldier ant
16:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 711 points, T:1108, imp
16:54 <rld> <@luxidream> I forgot magic fountains existed
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17:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll called 100 STRC on an altar, on T:3278
17:04 <aosdict> heh samiam is an appropriate name for a sam game
17:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3360
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17:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:17677
17:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Garland, on T:17838
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17:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:17852
17:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8399
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17:43 <rld> <@IceBox> if 2 scrolls of earth had not yet been BUC ID'ed but they stacked in my inventory does that mean they were of the same BUC?
17:48 <elenmirie> Icebox: in vanille, yes
17:48 <elenmirie> I think in most variants too
17:48 <rld> <@IceBox> shoot, 2 cursed scrolls of earth then when i really need a boulder fort haha
17:48 <rld> <@IceBox> and yeah 361
17:53 <elenmirie> how do you know they are cursed?
17:53 <elenmirie> they will stack if they match... NH4 variants will combine ID knowledge, but others will not
17:54 <elenmirie> including 3.6.1.. so if they stack but are not BUC'd, the only info you have is that they are both the same BUC status.  
17:54 <elenmirie> the most likely thing is uncursed, but this may not be true...
17:55 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Sounds like he read one
17:56 <rld> <@IceBox> yeah sorry
17:56 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Yeah NH4 is really nice about that
17:56 <rld> <@IceBox> i ready one
17:56 <rld> <@IceBox> read*
17:57 <rld> <@IceBox> they were the 2 scrolls from soko and i was really proud of myself for being patient enough to finally think to use them in a situation where i needed them
17:57 <elenmirie> oh, yes, if they were stacked, you read one and it was cursed, then yes, the other one aslos will be
17:57 <elenmirie> gah!
17:57 <elenmirie> how frustrating!
17:57 <rld> <@IceBox> yep so YOLO tele scroll'd away and it worked
17:57 <rld> <@IceBox> but man, the odds of them being generated cursed in soko has to be somewhat low
17:58 <rld> <@IceBox> worked for now. I'm carefully working my way through an unwanted visit to mine's end after a level tele trap
17:58 <elenmirie> indeed, that usually does not happen, but often one is.  So I guess, not so far-fetched for both to be
17:58 <elenmirie> good luck!
17:59 <elenmirie> grab that luckstone... :D
17:59 <rld> <@IceBox> haha yep that's the one good thing that will come of this
17:59 <rld> <@IceBox> trying to decide if taking some armor off is a good idea for the possible poly trap
17:59 <elenmirie> if the soko scrolls of earth stack, I usually assume that they are both uncursed... but of course that is not guaranteed
17:59 <rld> <@IceBox> i have a +1 cloak and +2 mithril coat
18:00 <rld> <@IceBox> i too assume they are uncursed
18:00 <elenmirie> eep
18:00 <Pinkbeast> Replacement mithril coats are readily available
18:00 <elenmirie> sometimes...
18:00 <rld> <@IceBox> but the +2!!!!! the +2 Pink!!
18:00 <Pinkbeast> ... especially if you have a stethoscope (or pet, but I guess not since you didn't test the scrolls)
18:00 <elenmirie> +2 mithril, early game...
18:01 <elenmirie> you can search a lot before moving, if you have enough food
18:01 <elenmirie> That might be safer than removing armour
18:01 <Pinkbeast> 1/8 scrolls are blessed, 1/8 cursed; 3/4 uncursed.
18:02 <elenmirie> that's why we all assume if we get two that BUC stack, that they are U...
18:02 <elenmirie> But that can be untrue
18:03 <elenmirie> what's the cloak?  Anything good beyond +1?
18:03 <elenmirie> like MR?
18:03 <Pinkbeast> Mmm. Hence a pair of scrolls is 9/16 (== 36/64) both U, 1/64 both C, 1/64 both U. So the odds of both C are only 1/38.
18:04 <rld> <@IceBox> nah just dwarven cloak
18:04 <rld> <@IceBox> the mitrhil coat is what i wanna save
18:05 <Pinkbeast> Murder a few dwarves & get one that isn't +2, use that for now
18:05 <rld> <@IceBox> now THAT is a good idea, haha
18:05 <rld> <@IceBox> so obvious
18:05 <elenmirie> ok, take off the mithril, keep on the dwofcloak, and explore.  But bearing in mind that you might regret everything.
18:05 <elenmirie> ha, yes!
18:05 <elenmirie> murder.
18:06 <rld> <@IceBox> i'm human so no shortage of dwarves attacking me anyways
18:06 <Pinkbeast> Not ofc in the game mechanical sense of murder
18:06 <elenmirie> actually it isn't murder in nethack, on account of its racism and hu-man bias
18:06 <Pinkbeast> Yes, that's what I said
18:06 <elenmirie> :)
18:06 <elenmirie> yes, we know you know
18:07 <rld> <@IceBox> i know that you both know and i also know myself
18:07 <rld> <@IceBox> hey guys a murdered a dwarf with a mithril coat, wanna know what it was?
18:07 <Pinkbeast> +"
18:07 <rld> <@IceBox> a +2 mithril coat
18:07 <elenmirie> brilliant!
18:08 <elenmirie> :)
18:08 <rld> <@IceBox> #whatAreTheOdds
18:08 <elenmirie> spare coat
18:08 <elenmirie> you are blessed
18:08 <rld> <@IceBox> well i would like to think of it as karma for the cursed earth scrolls
18:08 <elenmirie> lol
18:08 <elenmirie> no.
18:08 <elenmirie> the RNG's gonna get you
18:08 <elenmirie> for that
18:08 <rld> <@IceBox> like it's the LEAST the game could do for me, amirite?
18:09 <elenmirie> suuure, you just go on thinking that! :D
18:09 <elenmirie> the RNG snickers up its sleeve
18:09 <rld> <@IceBox> and a coaligned altar in minetown!!!?? I'm trying to channel my inner tariru lately and make every game work for me and this is really showing how worth it is
18:11 <elenmirie> wanna be better at nethack? Prostate yourself in the direction of the demigod bar and mumble "wannabe Tariru or Luxidream"
18:11 <elenmirie> don't know what direction the demigod bar is?  Then you don't belong here. :D ;)
18:12 <Pinkbeast> Read spoilers, iron discipline, that's 90% of it
18:12 <rld> <@IceBox> haha i know of it as a concept and that it's full if ice chests and booze
18:12 <elenmirie> memorise the wiki
18:12 <Pinkbeast> Eh, the wiki's sort of OK
18:12 <elenmirie> then it's all pretty much easy
18:13 <rld> <@IceBox> the discipline is for sure what i lack, and i think i would've continued hating nethack if i didn't dive into the wiki/spoilers
18:14 <elenmirie> it is theoretically possible to get good at nethack without spoilers, but it is questionable whether anyone has actually done it.  There are some plausible stories
18:14 <elenmirie> but they are impossible to prove
18:14 <Pinkbeast> I think ais has some very credible reasons to suppose it's been done.
18:14 <rld> <@IceBox> i've got no interest/pride invested in that myself
18:15 <rld> <@IceBox> i think nethack has enough going on that, even if you know everything, there's still a lot of fun and skill in just making the right decisions
18:15 <Pinkbeast> Also I'm 25 years too late to try 
18:18 <rld> <@IceBox> do creatures not enter certain temples?
18:18 <elenmirie> lol, I was not too late, but never did it!... I do remember wandering around some 2.x version with the Mitre of Holiness and the Silver Bell without having a clue what to do next
18:19 <elenmirie> IceBox: coaligned temples are sanctuary and they will not
18:19 <Pinkbeast> I played Hack 1.0.3 unspoiled but it was so flaky I doubt anyone got very far with it
18:19 <elenmirie> and if they are in them they will be frightened and ran away
18:19 <jilles> Pinkbeast, I won the hack that came with FreeBSD once; it didn't crash
18:19 <elenmirie> Hack, yes, me too. Never won, was it even possible to win?
18:20 <elenmirie> jilles: brilliant.  
18:20 <rld> <@IceBox> darn ok coaligned temple in minetown isn't THAT great then
18:20 <jilles> it's harder than current versions, and even less friendly than NetHack 1.3d
18:21 <Pinkbeast> jilles: Odd, it seemed to dungeon-collapse so frequently for me that one could hardly get anywhere
18:21 <Pinkbeast> Icebox: You kidding? Minetown temple coaligned is a gift.
18:22 <rld> <@IceBox> what am i missing about it then? easy holy water will be nice of course
18:22 <Pinkbeast> What do you think is _wrong_ with it?
18:22 <rld> <@IceBox> when i thought it was awesome before it was for the copious #offering i wanted to do
18:22 <jilles> IceBox: if the walls are intact, you can lock the door and create monsters inside
18:22 <jilles> otherwise, pick up corpses and carry them in
18:23 <elenmirie> or, just wait outside for them to appear and drag them in
18:23 <elenmirie> when they are dead
18:23 <Pinkbeast> Right, you can't offer some things with very heavy corpses. There are not many of those and if it was crossaligned you couldn't sacrifice them _anyway_
18:23 <Pinkbeast> ... until you can take an aligned priest
18:23 <elenmirie> but have a nice retreat if things get rough
18:23 <rld> <@IceBox> yeah i wanted to offer this fatty mumak but it wasn't meant to be
18:23 <elenmirie> eat it
18:23 <elenmirie> then hang out and wait for something else to turn up
18:23 <jilles> or if the walls are not intact, move out at one side and let monsters enter at the other side
18:23 <rld> <@IceBox> i did, but i need my cleaver!
18:24 <elenmirie> be patient
18:24 <rld> <@IceBox> walls are intact. They'd be repaired eventually too right?
18:24 <elenmirie> you will get it 
18:24 <elenmirie> no, temple walls will not
18:24 <elenmirie> only shop walls
18:24 <Pinkbeast> And yes, as elenmirie says, the heavy corpses are excellent for extending your sacrifest as food. Also, shop walls are repaired, the rest, not so much. Do stash the watch somewhere, though, ISTR digging can anger them (not sure)
18:24 <elenmirie> so if you have an industrious dwarf... nope
18:25 <Pinkbeast> ... or let a peaceful - oh, way ahead of me.
18:25 <Pinkbeast> I got orctown in this Spork splat and just dug the whole thing out for sacrifesting
18:25 <elenmirie> but the sanctuary effect stays even if the walls are gone
18:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:18164
18:31 <elenmirie> right, off up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire... have fun, everyone!
18:34 <K2> o/
18:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:3863
18:49 <aosdict> "off up the wooden hill" sounds so british
18:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:6811
19:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 8262 points, T:8013, killed by a bolt of cold
19:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5382
19:10 <hothraxxa> it's 33°C out there right now
19:10 <hothraxxa> oops, wrong channel
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19:14 <Pinkbeast> Yeah, it's 28 degrees out there in this channel
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19:18 <aosdict> let's see what Beholder thinks of temperature
19:18 <aosdict> !booze Beholder
19:18 * Beholder passes Beholder a fifth of suds, decanted by Announcy at 82 degrees Celsius.
19:28 <PavelB> That's pretty hot
19:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:19478
19:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:13468
19:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7201
19:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:11285
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19:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 365 points, T:606, dog
19:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 626 points, T:606, homunculus
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20:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:431
20:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 12307 points, T:1721, visit to hell
20:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2475 points, T:2393, killed by a dingo
20:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:20303
20:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:9543
20:39 <PavelB> !who
20:39 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [nh4] k2 [gh] monstergrin [dnh] IceBox [nh361] knavery [nh361] 
20:39 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-eu] No current players
20:39 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-au] No current players
20:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:14804
20:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:15760
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21:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 24530 points, T:11035, shot himself with a death ray
21:13 <[Demo][srn]1> rip
21:13 <K2> no upstairs generated in mines
21:13 <K2> stuck
21:13 <K2> :(
21:13 <K2> was promising game too
21:14 <K2> !tell Chris_ANG lapis crash he kept getting, think it was when he'd do a ctrl+P, but you'll need to ask for sure - http://termbin.com/k186
21:14 <Beholder> Will do, K2!
21:16 <PavelB> K2: How is it possible there's no upstairs?
21:16 <PavelB> (And how did you get in?)
21:19 <aosdict> PavelB: grunt changes to the mines can do that sometimes
21:19 <PavelB> But why?
21:19 <[Demo][srn]1> grunt is broken and unfinished
21:19 <PavelB> But why *that specific change*
21:19 <aosdict> K2: there should have still _been_ a ustairs.x and ustairs.y somewhere on the level that didn't render as <, but I assume that you didn't want to hunt for it.
21:19 <[Demo][srn]1> water
21:19 <[Demo][srn]1> I assume water spawned over it
21:20 <K2> perhaps
21:20 <aosdict> yeah it's not like sgrunt said "hey let's make levels randonly not generate stairs" <-- EPI
21:20 <K2> i did search before killing myself off
21:20 <[Demo][srn]1> slex would do that
21:21 <K2> !tell Chris_ANG another dnh segfault - http://termbin.com/0zcb
21:21 <Beholder> Will do, K2!
21:21 <K2> fwiw grunthack is much more stable than it was over a year ago
21:23 <Chris_ANG> Well, that second one makes sense at least :/
21:23 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Message from @Tone\ootc at 2018-06-29 22:18 EDT: You can't use hypospray on a monster that has you engulfed.  Seems unintended.
21:23 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan\srn at 2018-07-01 14:02 EDT: on macOS, dnethack is looking for the .nethackrc file instead of the .dnethackrc file? what gives?
21:23 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-07-01 16:06 EDT: copied from his page: If you fall asleep while having astral vision, you get astral projection. This consists of you spawning as some sort of incorporeal monster which can phase next to your body. Your body can't move. Your projection can use your items like normal (consumables and charges are used up). If your projection dies, you return to your body and sleep out the remaining duration. If you wake u
21:23 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-07-01 16:06 EDT: copied from his page: If you fall asleep while having astral vision, you get astral projection. This consists of you spawning as some sort of incorporeal monster which can phase next to your body. Your body can't move. Your projection can use your items like normal (consumables and charges are used up). If your projection dies, you return to your body and sleep out the remaining duration. If you wake
21:23 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-07-01 16:12 EDT: I'm soryr for msg dupes but apparently IRC has message limits, ctrl-f for astral projection here: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Phol_ende_wodan/YANI
21:23 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Message from aosdict at 2018-07-01 16:13 EDT: For the record, I consider ^ to be a huge SMOP.
21:23 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Message from K2 at 2018-07-01 21:14 EDT: lapis crash he kept getting, think it was when he'd do a ctrl+P, but you'll need to ask for sure - http://termbin.com/k186
21:23 <Beholder> Chris_ANG: Message from K2 at 2018-07-01 21:21 EDT: another dnh segfault - http://termbin.com/0zcb
21:23 <Chris_ANG> Oh, wow.
21:24 <K2> hah
21:24 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> 😄
21:24 <K2> we gotta do something about that
21:24 <K2> i'll ask Tangles if we can address the multiple msg thing
21:25 <Chris_ANG> lol, yeah, I read that like 4 times just now bc I thought I kept losing my place :D
21:25 <Chris_ANG> But yeah, SMOP.
21:25 <PavelB> SMOP?
21:25 <Chris_ANG> Small Matter Of Programming.
21:26 <Chris_ANG> In this case "I'd either have to re-code almost everything about how the player is handled, or do some sort of nasty hack"
21:26 <K2> rebase dnh on 3.6.1
21:27 <K2> :D
21:27 <aosdict> all "rebase X variant on Y" things are SMOPs unless you're talking about uh splicehack and xnethack I guess.
21:28 <Chris_ANG> I would have, but some *vandal* changed vanilla's formatting style.
21:28 <Chris_ANG> Line-break-formatting?
21:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:41712
21:29 <PavelB> Isn't xnh on 3.6.2 beta by now already?
21:29 <aosdict> technically yes. just minor bug fixes and windows performance fixes, so I don't really consider it different from 3.6.1 at this point
21:29 <K2> it and splicehack, yeah
21:30 <Chris_ANG> Anyway, thanks for the crash logs.
21:30 <K2> no prob
21:30 <K2> you werent the only one ;)
21:30 <Chris_ANG> The Ctrl-P one is still opaque to me, but the crash-on-save one is clear.
21:31 <Chris_ANG> I'm trying to print an error message, but in a way that acccidently references the vision array, which apparently stops existing during the save game process.
21:32 <rld> <@IceBox> how do you "ready" an alternate weapon in 361?
21:32 <Pinkbeast> Same as in 3.4.3, x then w?
21:33 <rld> <@IceBox> yep that was it. I was used to FIQ where there was a separate menu for it (though x then w probably worked there too)
21:33 <rld> <@IceBox> thanks!
21:33 <rld> <@IceBox> stormbringer is a danger to society
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21:40 <rld> <@escargott'em> Should I be wearing amulet of life saving or ESP regularly?
21:41 <PavelB> Isn't ESP kinda useless? Just eat a floating eye corpse
21:41 <aosdict> ESP gives you telepathy while not blind.
21:41 <Pinkbeast> If you don't know which you want, you want life saving.
21:41 <aosdict> Which can be quite good, better than warning, for seeing if something nasty is ahead.
21:43 <rld> <@escargott'em> How about between speed boots and jump boots
21:43 <rld> <@IceBox> speed boots provide more constant usefulness
21:43 <rld> <@IceBox> but jump boots + quaffing potions of speed when you need speed (like on astral) is pretty phenomenal
21:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 573 points, T:648, killed by a gnomish lord
21:50 <K2> stair generated just fine there
21:50 <K2> must have been a fluke
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21:57 <rld> <@luxidream> Chris_ANG: if you use sensor pack detect monsters with no monsters, it vanishes from your inventory
22:00 <Chris_ANG> Thanks.  That's now fixed on dev, but I trapped my dev branch under a pile of gemstone spearpoints.
22:01 <aosdict> You hear [Demo][srn]1 snicker.
22:01 <Chris_ANG> lol
22:04 <rld> <@luxidream> demo, the YANI gremlin
22:12 <PavelB> YANI: Invisible monsters marked with *I* dissapear after a short period of time so that when I'm just walking a corridor a hundred or so turns after I brushed up against my cat while blinded I don't attack thin air for no reason.
22:14 <[Demo][srn]1> oops
22:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:22548
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22:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:43429
22:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43431
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22:57 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> extrinsic telepathy is pretty sweet
22:57 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> intrinsic doesn't compare
22:58 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> jumping boots are better escape tools generally but speed boots will give you more damage output and more non-movement actions
22:59 <rld> <@IceBox> so does extrinsic and intrinsic speed stack in vanilla? I didn't see anything on the wiki other than extrinsic = very fast and intrinsic = fast (without any extrinsic)
22:59 <rld> <@IceBox> "very fast" seemed to be the max
22:59 <rld> <@luxidream> if you have any doubts, opt for speed boots, you don’t have to remember to use them
23:00 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> extrinsic speed sets your speed to very fast whether or not you have intrinsic speed
23:00 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> they don't stack
23:00 <rld> <@IceBox> and "very fast" is the max then
23:01 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> yeah you are either normal, fast, or very fast
23:01 <rld> <@IceBox> k that's what i thought. Didn't you say something about them stackin @luxidream? Maybe that was in a variant?
23:02 <rld> <@luxidream> there are variants in which they stack, but I think I misunderstood the vanilla speed system at the time
23:02 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> if you were watching my game this weekend you may have heard me saying that I wanted intrinsic speed still because I was swapping speed and levitation boots a lot, especially on the planes
23:03 <rld> <@IceBox> ah, and yeah i could be misremembering one of the 8,000 pieces of advice you guys gave me over the past month 😃
23:04 <rld> <@IceBox> also go @escargott'em, go! How's that Orb of Weight treating you? Your first time getting it?
23:06 <rld> <@luxidream> Just be thankful it isn’t the Iron Ball of “”Liberation””
23:07 <rld> <@IceBox> haha what a funny item, had to look it up
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23:08 <rld> <@escargott'em> I have it in another game, but pretty close to the first time.. warning is great
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23:10 <rld> <@luxidream> that’s not the best part haha
23:13 <rld> <@IceBox> just get yourself come tele control and smash your face into some minotaurs now!
23:14 <rld> <@escargott'em> This is the first time I have both the orb and ctele
23:14 <rld> <@escargott'em> And it's pretty convenient
23:15 <rld> <@escargott'em> what's the difference between 'branchporting' and levelporting?
23:15 <rld> <@IceBox> excellent, through castle already?
23:15 <rld> <@IceBox> when in a branch i think you can only tele deeper into the branch or out of it
23:15 <rld> <@IceBox> so you cant tele from gnomish mines to castle
23:15 <rld> <@escargott'em> I haven't done castle in this game
23:16 <rld> <@escargott'em> or any game, I guess
23:17 <rld> <@luxidream> Branchporting takes you to the deepest level you’ve reached of any branch you’ve visited
23:17 <rld> <@escargott'em> Basically, I wanted to do quest first, I found some potions of gain level for it
23:17 <rld> <@luxidream> You can’t specify the level you want to go to
23:17 <rld> <@escargott'em> I have no mr, but I genocided L
23:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20187
23:17 <rld> <@IceBox> you should be good for castle then
23:17 <rld> <@IceBox> well good enough
23:18 <rld> <@escargott'em> With my pet olog-hai and my pet dragon with a cold
23:18 <rld> <@escargott'em> I think a gremlin cancelled him, so he's coughing all the time, it's hilarious
23:20 <rld> <@IceBox> haha yep should getcha. Will the dragon uncancel eventually?
23:20 <rld> <@escargott'em> I doubt it
23:20 <rld> <@luxidream> nah he’s screwed
23:20 <rld> <@escargott'em> He's pretty strong, has tons of hps
23:20 <rld> <@escargott'em> flies over traps and stuff
23:21 <rld> <@luxidream> I assume he’s killed every shopkeeper in the game already?
23:21 <rld> <@escargott'em> But at this point I wouldn't be super upset if he died
23:21 <rld> <@escargott'em> The shopkeepers and priests
23:21 <rld> <@escargott'em> except for like two general shopkeepers I've managed to keep him away from
23:21 <rld> <@escargott'em> despite the pet troll having a damn lockpick and always opening my doors
23:22 <rld> <@escargott'em> nobody tells you about the dangers of a pet with a lockpick, ruins tons of different methods of pet management
23:24 <rld> <@luxidream> Yeah, that’s something you learn on your own
23:24 <rld> <@luxidream> Olog-hai eat though, so you can ditch him for a bit
23:25 <rld> <@escargott'em> I had two incubus pets, they eventually went peaceful while I was nurse dancing and whatever other stuff like that
23:25 <rld> <@escargott'em> But their stealing ability is actually really useful.. saved a lot of tele scrolls and wands from being used by monsters
23:26 <rld> <@escargott'em> and geared up they can tank a bit.. their damage output is pretty awful though
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23:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helping hand", on T:23564
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23:47 <rld> <@luxidream> @IceBox you should use your magic lamp
23:48 <rld> <@luxidream> it would be a shame if you were a victim to instant death
23:48 <rld> <@IceBox> ah like wand of death
23:48 <rld> <@IceBox> true i dont have reflection either
23:48 <rld> <@IceBox> i've gotten it the last like 5 times from soko so i think i assume i have it
23:49 <rld> <@luxidream> You’re crowned. MR will work for now
23:49 <rld> <@IceBox> i have the polycontrol ring so i was covered for the dreaded poly trap
23:49 <rld> <@IceBox> time to read what crowning actually does other than the huge timeout, haha
23:50 <rld> <@IceBox> but you did just help me understand why i probably have shock resistance!
23:51 <rld> <@IceBox> holy cow i thought the crowning intrinsics were random or something, that's a solid set
23:51 <rld> <@luxidream> everything except disint res
23:51 <rld> <@IceBox> how does crowning help me for the possible wand of death? or that just a smaller concern?
23:51 <rld> <@IceBox> or what other instadeath scenarios are you talking about
23:52 <rld> <@luxidream> Crowning + MR is pretty safe
23:52 <rld> <@IceBox> just because of the number of resistances?
23:53 <aosdict> what variant is this in?
23:53 <rld> <@luxidream> vanilla
23:54 <rld> <@luxidream> You just have to scout for black dragons
23:54 <aosdict> hmm. I wonder how many people would actively pursue crowning if one were to remove all the good things that it confers, but as a replacement drop in intrinsic reflection.
23:54 <Muad> i would
23:55 <rld> <@luxidream> You mean, death resistance?
23:55 <rld> <@luxidream> Because that’s the only thing it doesn’t protect against, aside from disint which is rate
23:55 <aosdict> !tell stenno xnethack is about to get *even more improved* tin openers (by making them object material valid) :D
23:55 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
23:55 <rld> <@luxidream> rare*
23:56 <rld> <@luxidream> ooh, silver tin openers
23:56 <rld> <@luxidream> the real vladbane
23:57 <aosdict> or you could go for maximum bling with a gold tin opener
23:57 <rld> <@IceBox> hmm i was thinking of SDSM this game on account of the 2-handed weapon and possible two-weaponing
23:58 <rld> <@luxidream> also a consideration. I see you have polycont
23:58 <rld> <@IceBox> yeah that was my thinking
23:58 <rld> <@luxidream> do you have a ring of polymorph
23:58 <rld> <@IceBox> not that i know of
23:58 <rld> <@luxidream> that’s a way of getting dsm
23:58 <rld> <@IceBox> my plan for this barb was SDMS plus cloak of MR
23:59 <rld> <@IceBox> poly + eggs?
23:59 <rld> <@IceBox> i have a wand of poly
23:59 <rld> <@IceBox> so that shit'll work
23:59 <rld> <@luxidream> are you female
23:59 <rld> <@IceBox> haha hilarious
23:59 <rld> <@IceBox> no
23:59 <rld> <@luxidream> if not don’t waste your charges