00:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:48411
00:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:48412
00:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:48529
00:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of free action", on T:48531
00:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:48534
00:21 <ProzacElf> oh
00:22 <ProzacElf> getting polyed into something big destroys cloaks too =(
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00:38 <ProzacElf> ah yes
00:39 <ProzacElf> this jackal that i had summoned that turned neutral got offended by me throwing tripe at it
00:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:48680
00:39 <ProzacElf> i really should play more often in order to remember that sort of thing
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00:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Syl (Silver2195) (Wiz Syl Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:4389
00:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:28445
01:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:28925
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01:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:29450
01:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] hoppet (Che Arg Fem Law), 1758 points, T:1426, killed by a hunter bee
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01:53 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> Okay, quaffed some booze and got a wish djinni
01:53 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> Anyone else playing ana have an opinion on a first wish?
01:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:29745
01:57 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> Leaning towards whisperfeet, or maybe stormhelm
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02:13 <AmyBSOD\srn> !tell AntiGulp it's really annoying that your little birds give aggravate monster when eaten, no one would expect that (just like no one would expect them to be domestic in the first place, unless the player is spoiled about them :P)
02:13 <Beholder> Will do, AmyBSOD\srn!
02:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Hoppet (hoppet) (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 27880 points, T:2259, killed by a rock piercer
02:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:31696
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03:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] FalseLobster (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1897 points, T:3704, killed by a wolf
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04:17 <AmyBSOD\srn> hmm a thought has just crossed my mind... if you can perform stone to flesh farming, you can also perform turn undead farming, right? I guess I should find a way to make that nonprofitable in slex :P
04:18 <AmyBSOD\srn> maybe by making turn undead and stone to flesh have a 10% risk that the statue/corpse you're targetting is simply destroyed instead of coming to life
04:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] FalseLobster (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1386 points, T:2057, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food
04:23 <Mandevil\splat> Hm, parad0xx got a win, but isn't participating in Junethack.
04:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] FalseLobster (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 623 points, T:1120, killed by a werejackal
04:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] FalseLobster (Kni Hum Fem Law), 700 points, T:1851, killed by a dagger
04:54 <oh6> !tell antigulp killing hostile merfolk counts as murder apparently
04:54 <Beholder> Will do, oh6!
05:00 <AmyBSOD\srn> ah, the annoying "killing any @ that doesn't have M2_HOSTILE always counts as murder" thing that plagues every variant which adds new @-class monsters!
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05:00 <AmyBSOD\srn> slex and dnhslex show how that can be fixed without breaking things, variant developers just need to pull my fix ;)
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05:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] FalseLobster (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 1111 points, T:1966, killed by an invisible dwarf
05:09 <Mandevil\splat> Maybe it would be enough if variant authors actually tested their code.
05:11 <bhaak> preposterous
05:11 <bhaak> what do we have players for?
05:13 <raisse\splat> !pom
05:13 <Beholder> raisse\splat: The moon is full for 4 more days.
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05:26 <rld> <@escargott'em> What are your favorite poly control uses?
05:27 <rld> <@escargott'em> The wiki says to lay eggs as a dragon or purple worm for pets.. What's the best color dragon pet?
05:30 <raisse\splat> grey
05:31 <raisse\splat> it's magic resistant so will resist poly traps
05:31 <raisse\splat> my pet grey dragon lasted well into Gehennom
05:35 <rld> <@escargott'em> Cool I'll try that.. Is it worth trying to farm resistances by training baby dragon pets up and killing them with conflict? Sounds like a long process :p
05:39 <Mandevil\splat> They still eat, so can get polymorphed by that.
05:48 <raisse\splat> yes, that's what mine died of
05:48 <raisse\splat> ate a shapechanger and turned into a freezing sphere
05:48 <raisse\splat> those don't last long
05:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 5772 points, T:5197, killed by an ape
05:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31289
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06:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Val Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:12893
07:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 7449 points, T:9696, killed by a white unicorn
07:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:49064
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08:15 <aosdict\ito> Does FIQHack have the grunt polypile nerfs that blank scrolls/books and potions of water don't turn into anything else?
08:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Hildi (aosdictj) (Val Dwa Fem Law) became the Hand of Elbereth, on T:32744
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09:37 <aosdict\ito> There is a student of stones stuck in a corner behind a boulder. Ironic.
09:43 <raisse\splat> obviously got a lot to learn
10:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Syl (Silver2195) (Wiz Syl Fem Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:8743
10:53 <FIQ> !who
10:53 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] Eleven [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] 
10:53 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players
10:53 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 
11:11 <nooodle> this gecko just death-dropped a figurine of a gecko. Very suspicious. >_>
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11:13 <raisse\splat> I love it when a foo death-drops a tin of foo meat
11:13 <raisse\splat> even happened with a cockatrice once!
11:13 <raisse\splat> (AND a corpse)
11:14 <raisse\splat> used to be that you could toss tins of c meat at rust monsters and they'd eat them and turn to stone, but afaik not any more
11:14 <AntiGulp> Nethack: Monsters now tin themselves for your convenience
11:14 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from AmyBSOD\srn at 2018-06-27 02:13 EDT: it's really annoying that your little birds give aggravate monster when eaten, no one would expect that (just like no one would expect them to be domestic in the first place, unless the player is spoiled about them :P)
11:14 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from oh6 at 2018-06-27 04:54 EDT: killing hostile merfolk counts as murder apparently
11:14 <nooodle> yeah, like, what are you doing there lil' buddy
11:15 <AntiGulp> AmyBSOD\srn: Fixed merfolk murder. Little birds are a domestic pet so I like to keep them with aggravate.
11:19 <Chris_ANG> I think the deli shopkeeper in dNethack's minetown still sells ice chests full of Gnome corpses.
11:19 <raisse\splat> if there's an ice box in a deli, and you're strong enough/it's empty enough to pick it up, will they sell it to you?
11:19 <AntiGulp> lol
11:20 <raisse\splat> that's not a joke, I really want to know
11:20 <Chris_ANG> In nethack? Yes, and its cost will be adjusted to cover the chest and all contents.
11:21 <Chris_ANG> In real life?  I think the deli owner would be annoyed with you. 
11:21 <Chris_ANG> However, I guess if you offered enough money a lot of them would go for it.
11:22 <raisse\splat> in nethack I mean
11:22 <AntiGulp> (I was lol-ing about the deli owner selling gnome corpses, the ice box question is legit)
11:22 <raisse\splat> we did have a store going bust in town and they sold All The Things, I got a nifty magazine rack (for the church) out of it for 15 euros
11:27 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Can you start with a little bird pet in splicehack?
11:28 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Also is aggravate monster different in splice?
11:29 <AntiGulp> You can start with a pet little bird, and aggravate monster functions the same way
11:30 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Seems pretty reasonable to me, for whatever that's worth
11:31 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Not sure how you learn about domestic animals and aggravate monster in vanilla
11:32 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Oracle consultations or rumors, like anything else I guess
11:32 <AntiGulp> Yeah, I think it’s reasonable personally. As a compromise, I added some code to monster looking which indicates if something is domestic.
11:32 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> That's a nice QoL improvement
11:33 <aosdict\ito> AntiGulp: If you weren't aware that giant falcons were domestic and also weren't aware that they existed and then encountered and killed one, you would assume it was OK to eat though.
11:33 <rld> <@escargott'em> I decided to do it.. Birth a baby black dragon, train him up into an adult, get him killed, then eat his corpse for a resistance that I don't think is even that important
11:34 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Ah, little birds grow up to be giant falcons? Yeah I probably wouldn't expect that either
11:34 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Although I also wouldn't expect anything I haven't seen before to be safe to eat 😄
11:35 <aosdict\ito> with dogs and cats it's more straightforward since both have been domesticated for millennia
11:36 <AntiGulp> True. Hmm. I wonder if I changed their name to something more indicative.
11:36 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> @escargott'em that's the circle of life 😄
11:38 <AntiGulp> aaaaand it moves us aaaalll
11:40 <Muad> <cats> with humans it's more straightforward since they have been domesticated for millennia
11:40 <hothraxxa> AntiGulp: The magma elemental is killed!  The magma elemental's body dissolves into a pool of lava.
11:40 <hothraxxa> there is no lava pool though
11:40 <hothraxxa> what are the odds?
11:41 <AntiGulp> How wacky… probably an improper room type check
11:41 <hothraxxa> i killed one in a bad place in sokoban and it left a pool. it was really awkward
11:41 <AntiGulp> Did you kill it on the stairs or a ladder?
11:42 <hothraxxa> nope it was an essential square for the normal solution
11:42 <hothraxxa> i figured out how to solve it by pushing three boulders into the lava, which i don't know if that's bad for luck or not
11:43 <hothraxxa> anyway then i could make a path to solve it, and it happened to be a level with enough extra boulders
11:44 <hothraxxa> can they leave a pool on stairs or a ladder?
11:44 <aosdict\ito> @Tone\ootc circle of life < wheel of time :D
11:45 <aosdict\ito> hothraxxa: they should _probably_ not be able to leave a pool on stairs or a ladder. Technically the square would still work for moving between levels, but it wouldn't look like it.
11:46 <AntiGulp> hothraxxa: They cannot leave lava on stairs or ladders, I specifically disallowed that to prevent really nasty situations.
11:46 <hothraxxa> that'd be bad for a down staricase
11:46 <aosdict\ito> that happened in uhh grunthack to me once
11:47 <aosdict\ito> the real usable stairs were in a completely different spot on the level on a random . square
11:47 <hothraxxa> i guess you can always dig down
11:47 <aosdict\ito> whereas the actual STAIRS terrain was... nothing
11:47 <rld> <@escargott'em> @Tone\ootc it worked, I got my disintegration resistance :D
11:47 <rld> <@escargott'em> Using a really scummy method
11:47 <AntiGulp> You walk up the stairs… you burn to a crisp!
11:47 <hothraxxa> oh never thought of that
11:48 <[Demo][srn]> oh wait no
11:48 <[Demo][srn]> wait so yikes
11:48 <[Demo][srn]> i made that possible in bones
11:48 <[Demo][srn]> wait thats possible in splicehack too
11:48 <[Demo][srn]> with the maga elementals
11:48 <AntiGulp> No I specifically made it impossible in splice
11:49 <[Demo][srn]> oh good
11:49 <AntiGulp> I’m not 100% evil
11:49 <rld> <@IceBox> Make america great again elementals?
11:49 <[Demo][srn]> magma
11:49 <[Demo][srn]> freudian slip
11:51 <hothraxxa> i think they do wear red baseball caps
11:51 <AntiGulp> How much stronger is vlad in 3.6.1?
11:51 <rld> <@IceBox> I think it's cannon now. Update your variants gents
11:51 <[Demo][srn]> what all dont magma elementals magma on?
11:52 <AntiGulp> [Demo][srn]:Stairs and ladders
11:52 <[Demo][srn]> so you can take out a high altar?
11:52 <hothraxxa> AntiGulp: he has more hp and teleports to the stairs down when you hurt him
11:53 <hothraxxa> harder to kill and he might lead you on a chase
11:53 <[Demo][srn]> it is annoying
11:53 <[Demo][srn]> and i hate it
11:53 <AntiGulp> Oof, that does sound annoying
11:53 <rld> <@IceBox> Paralysis work?
11:53 <[Demo][srn]> yes
11:53 <hothraxxa> i've used it
11:53 <[Demo][srn]> covetous warping is annoying
11:53 <rld> <@IceBox> Probably worth my last one?
11:53 <[Demo][srn]> no
11:53 <rld> <@IceBox> Don't want a dungeon chase
11:54 <hothraxxa> it's always worth your last one. what are you saving it for?
11:54 <[Demo][srn]> ascension after party?
11:54 <rld> <@IceBox> Does it work on yendor?
11:54 <hothraxxa> i'm a great believer in using a resource that solves a problem if you have it
11:54 <rld> <@IceBox> Maybe earth of so
11:54 <rld> <@IceBox> If*
11:54 <[Demo][srn]> use it if you think youll need it
11:54 <hothraxxa> hoarding it for a future threat that might never happen has never worked out for me
11:55 <[Demo][srn]> do remember that he is M?_STALK
11:55 <[Demo][srn]> or wait maybe the same effect
11:55 <[Demo][srn]> from being covetous
11:55 <hothraxxa> the rng has many potions of paralysis. it will give you more if you have patience
11:55 <[Demo][srn]> so when he does flee down if you wait and let him heal and come he will follow you back up the stairs
11:55 <[Demo][srn]> so you can easily avoid a dungeon chase
11:55 <hothraxxa> a flask crashes on your head! something seems to be holding you
11:56 <[Demo][srn]> ive found myself using free action a lot more
11:56 <hothraxxa> demo, are you sure he will come?
11:57 <hothraxxa> not sure why he would
11:57 <[Demo][srn]> worked for me in splicehack
11:57 <[Demo][srn]> he followed me back upstairs
11:57 <hothraxxa> of course he follows you back up, but will he come to you if you wait is what i was trying to ask
11:57 <[Demo][srn]> what do you mean?
11:57 <[Demo][srn]> wait where?
11:58 <[Demo][srn]> on the upstairs after he follows you back up? yes
11:58 <hothraxxa> no i meant the down stairs
11:59 <[Demo][srn]> hell warp to you when he is healthy to fight you
11:59 <hothraxxa> ok that's what i meant
11:59 <AntiGulp> I should go, gotta get work done today.
12:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:53566
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12:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:53574
12:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) genocided class V, on T:53576
12:03 <raisse\splat> "You are not permitted to genocide Vlad the Impaler."
12:04 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> it's not like that would really make a difference in difficulty or anything
12:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:53710
12:12 <raisse\splat> no but it's a funny message :-)
12:12 <[Demo][srn]> vlad should have a life draining explosion attack like a flaming sphere
12:12 <[Demo][srn]> that would probably be more effective
12:12 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> "shadow sphere"?
12:13 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> that's not a bad idea for a monster spell or smth
12:13 <[Demo][srn]> that was a joke dont actually think into it
12:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a T-shirt, on T:5467
12:21 <nooodle> It reads:  "=^.^=".
12:22 <aosdict\ito> nooodle: it's worth reading the whole list of shirts in read.c, there's some pretty funny stuff
12:25 <Pavel\ito> !whereis hypnotist
12:25 <Beholder> Pavel\ito: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361]: (Bar Hum Fem Neu) T:5710 The Dungeons of Doom level: 3
12:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:54245
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12:42 <rld> <@escargott'em> Should I be eating tengu for teleport control? Or should I wait until I find the ring first or something
12:42 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> generally yes try it
12:42 <[Demo][srn]> i tin em
12:42 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> however you can also tin and wait, or wait til you have tele control
12:42 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> the downside woudl be getting teleportitis without tele control, and having to deal with that
12:43 <rld> <@escargott'em> Yeah, that sounds not great
12:45 <jonadab> Eat tengu, yes.
12:45 <jonadab> Though, you may want to wait until you are experience level 12.  Teleportation is more valuable as an escape item if you can Ctrl-T.
12:45 <jonadab> Or at least until you identify wands of teleportation.
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12:47 <[Demo][srn]> tengus taste gross
12:47 <rld> <@escargott'em> You can't invoke tele before level 12?
12:47 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> iirc it's lvl 11 for non-wiz and 9 for wiz
12:47 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> I think
12:47 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> but maybe 12 yea
12:48 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> oh yep it's 12 / 8
12:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Bin Red Fem Cha), 15750 points, T:3584, quit
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13:09 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> teleportitis without tele control is annoying enough for me not to bother
13:10 <[Demo][srn]> same
13:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Bin Red Fem Cha), 8103 points, T:2065, quit
13:16 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> why are they quitting?
13:16 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> !lastgame
13:16 <Beholder> @rikersan\srn: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/ttc1401/slex/dumplog/1530118255.slex.txt
13:16 <Beholder> @rikersan\srn: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nethack4/dumplog/2018-06-27%2010%3A30%3A56%2C%20Flaenia%20the%20Unfeathered-Cav-Gno-Fem-Neu%2C%20died.txt
13:16 <Beholder> @rikersan\srn: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/V/V38M2Y69T/slex/dumplog/1529979663.slex.txt
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13:17 <[Demo][srn]> cause slex makes u want it to end
13:19 <ProzacElf> heh, it's plenty easy to die in slex though
13:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Law), 476104 points, T:31005, killed by Master Kaen
13:20 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Yorks
13:20 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> lol thanks autocorrect
13:20 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> !lastgame
13:20 <Beholder> @Tone\ootc: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dgoddard/nh343/dumplog/1529378295.nh343.txt
13:20 <Beholder> @Tone\ootc: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nethack4/dumplog/2018-06-27%2010%3A30%3A56%2C%20Flaenia%20the%20Unfeathered-Cav-Gno-Fem-Neu%2C%20died.txt
13:20 <Beholder> @Tone\ootc: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/V/V38M2Y69T/slex/dumplog/1529979663.slex.txt
13:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Arc Red Fem Cha), 1079 points, T:399, killed by a lucern hammer
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13:30 <rld> <@IceBox> you can invoke/trigger teleport on demand?
13:30 <rld> <@IceBox> like without a wand/spell?
13:32 <Chris_ANG> Yes
13:32 <Chris_ANG> I don't recall the full requirements though.
13:33 <Chris_ANG> Teleportitis, teleport control, and level 8 wizard/level 12 other, I think?
13:33 <[Demo][srn]> yeah thats what was just said
13:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:16445
13:34 <[Demo][srn]> L is best genocide in splice
13:34 <Chris_ANG> I think I should just give Pirates a grappling hook AND a pickaxe, instead of one randomly.
13:34 <hothraxxa> well demo, that depends
13:35 <[Demo][srn]> yeah its not like anyone has ever used the grappling hook
13:35 <[Demo][srn]> and yes it does depend
13:35 <[Demo][srn]> but L is extra annoying in splice cause theres more of them
13:35 <hothraxxa> i know, but my last splicehack game ended because i didn't genocide h when i could have
13:36 <[Demo][srn]> ow
13:36 <[Demo][srn]> a healthy sense of vengeance
13:36 <hothraxxa> a bit
13:37 <hothraxxa> i am much more likely to meet mind flayers than L at this stage of my game
13:37 <[Demo][srn]> yeah but they are vulnerable to ranged weapons and splice makes valk more of a ranged warrior sort of
13:37 <[Demo][srn]> cause gugnir
13:37 <hothraxxa> yes. mine is rusty :(
13:37 <[Demo][srn]> but yeah no ur right turn 16k yeah no Ls in sight
13:38 <[Demo][srn]> im just jealous :P
13:38 <[Demo][srn]> my splice game i had no geno
13:38 <[Demo][srn]> and i really wanted to geno L
13:38 <hothraxxa> not to worry i don't expect to get much farther
13:39 <[Demo][srn]> good plans
13:39 <[Demo][srn]> that was my dyna run
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13:59 <rld> <@escargott'em> Three tengu, not one corpse :(
14:00 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> I've watched someone blow 5 or 6 cursed geno scrolls trying to get intrinsic tele control from tengu
14:02 <rld> <@escargott'em> With infinite levelporting artifact I almost feel like intrinsic control might be worth cursed geno :p
14:03 <rld> <@IceBox> Sorry for popping in and out on my question, but you can invoke tele regardless of class when you're lvl12?
14:03 <rld> <@escargott'em> If you have intrinsic teleport I think
14:03 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Yes
14:03 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> You can do it with the ring too
14:04 <rld> <@IceBox> Imma put those rings on and try that sounds awesome
14:04 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> Could also poly and eat the ring if it’s the right kind and you have poly control
14:04 <rld> <@escargott'em> Costs like 20 power
14:04 <rld> <@escargott'em> Eating jewelry is like 1/3rd chance at best
14:05 <rld> <@IceBox> Work after you grab the amulet too? I don't remember the tele restrictions then
14:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] cxxr (Val Hum Fem Law), 111880 points, T:25975, killed by a death ray
14:07 <[Demo][srn]> ow
14:07 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> !lastgame
14:07 <Beholder> @Tone\ootc: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/cxxr/un531/dumplog/1529966964.un531.txt.html
14:07 <Beholder> @Tone\ootc: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nethack4/dumplog/2018-06-27%2010%3A30%3A56%2C%20Flaenia%20the%20Unfeathered-Cav-Gno-Fem-Neu%2C%20died.txt
14:07 <Beholder> @Tone\ootc: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/V/V38M2Y69T/slex/dumplog/1529979663.slex.txt
14:10 <rld> <@IceBox> Ouchies indeed
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14:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Arc Red Fem Cha), 25767 points, T:3592, killed by an elven arrow
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14:37 <Tariru> FIQ: Did you make any progress looking at that dynahack save?
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14:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:56418
14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Geryon, on T:56424
14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:56588
14:58 <K2> hi
14:58 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
15:00 <Tariru> Hi K2
15:00 <winny> i did a stupid
15:01 <K2> hi Tariru
15:01 <K2> so explain to me what happened with your fourk game
15:01 <winny> i got impatient so i dug down through half of gehennom forgetting i need to find vlad's tower before i should bother rodney
15:01 * K2 hasnt had a chnce to look at it yet
15:01 <winny> game isn't lost but lol i made a mess
15:01 <Tariru> It crashed on entering astral, and I skipped past the message asking if you want to try and restore/leave it etc.
15:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:58138
15:02 <K2> winny :)
15:02 <Tariru> When I go to the 4k file loading menu it shows a save from level 42 in gehennom, no idea whether it was from the asc run or not.
15:02 <K2> hmm
15:02 <K2> lets have a look
15:02 <Tariru> I was hoping it might have left something behind when it crashed that you can still run recovery on.
15:04 <K2> with nh4 based games, there's not a recovery program like what vanilla and nh3 based variants have
15:04 <K2> everything is recorded in the save file
15:05 <K2> now, manipulating that save is fairly easy
15:05 <Tariru> The game probably loads fine, though I haven't tried yet.l
15:05 <K2> but, if all it saved was when you were on dlvl 42, i cant fast forward you to astral. if the data isnt there, its isnt there
15:05 <K2> i dont see anything odd at the tag end of the file
15:06 <Tariru> Damn, guess I have to go all the way back there then.
15:06 <K2> lemme back it up real quick
15:06 <K2> ok i backed it up. go ahead and load it
15:07 <K2> and i feel your pain, my sporkhack game I had to redo most of gehennom and the asc run
15:07 <K2> ah hah
15:07 <Tariru> Huh, it was on astral.
15:07 <Tariru> But the same damn error.
15:07 <K2> whats the error
15:07 <aosdict\ito> possible bug with the menu saying it was on level 42?
15:08 <Tariru> invalid object order (104 > 98)
15:08 <Tariru> In objnam.c:2971
15:08 <AmyBSOD\srn> Tariru: I had that error too, and just used the ignore option.
15:08 <K2> jonadab ^^
15:08 <Tariru> You mean attempt to continue?
15:08 <AmyBSOD\srn> Yeah.
15:08 <K2> sure why not
15:08 <AmyBSOD\srn> Apparently it happens because barbarian player monsters' starting inventory is bugged, but the game will just give them a plate mail or whatever the default is.
15:09 <aosdict\ito> (YANI: some h2g2 references on dungeon level 42)
15:09 <AmyBSOD\srn> In nh3-based variants, the game would behave correctly, by giving an impossible instead of crashing, because the nh3 system is just far better than the nh4 one in every way (cue holy war) :P
15:09 <aosdict\ito> AmyBSOD\srn: I'm looking at the relevant fourk code; this _is_ an impossible.
15:10 <AmyBSOD\srn> and most importantly, nh3-based variants don't suddenly pop up a menu without warning that makes your game need recovery if you accidentally skip past it!!! Jeez!
15:10 <aosdict\ito> I guess it can abort the game on impossibles though?
15:10 <AmyBSOD\srn> aosdict\ito: Yes, but the nh4 devs decided to give that error message on an impossible() call, which is just so very wrong on so many levels IMHO.
15:10 <Tariru> God, why is my ISP so shit.
15:10 <AmyBSOD\srn> Case in point, Tariru's current game was on hold for two entire days because of it. We're missing out on ascensions and trophies because of such errors!
15:11 <K2> pffft
15:11 <K2> no you werent
15:11 <Tariru> Every evening and weekend, it's dropping packets everywhere.
15:11 <AmyBSOD\srn> In vanilla he'd just have pressed space to dismiss the "program in disorder" message and ascended :D
15:11 <K2> Tariru your nh4 issue just happened to coincide with one of the busiest work weekends i've ever had
15:12 <K2> i am home now though ;)
15:12 <K2> (ever had IT wise that is)
15:12 <aosdict\ito> anyway, this particular error is if it's trying to give a random item in a range of otyps, and the range is specified backwards
15:12 <aosdict\ito> and it has a sane failure case: just give the first item in that range
15:13 <aosdict\ito> which is probably what AmyBSOD\srn is seeing with barbs and plate mail
15:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12359
15:14 <K2> Tariru are you able to continue your game?
15:14 <Tariru> Yeah, it seems to be working fine.
15:14 <Tariru> It's just my internet connection is too shitty to play it at the moment.
15:14 <K2> i see
15:14 <K2> :/
15:14 <Tariru> Thanks for the help though!
15:14 <K2> i am glad you'll be able to finish it though
15:15 <K2> anytime! sorry took so long
15:15 <K2> this is part of what I had to work on this past weekend - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2490
15:16 <Tariru> That's a lot of cables.
15:17 <K2> that was just tip of iceburg ;)
15:17 <Tariru> I wouldn't fancy having to untangle that mess.
15:17 <K2> after - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2491
15:17 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Nice
15:17 <AmyBSOD\srn> K2: urrrrrrgh I'd go crazy if I had to untangle that mess; nice job!
15:17 <K2> i had help
15:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 59199 points, T:21652, killed by a spotted jelly
15:18 <K2> but yeah took us 25 hours to rip all that out, re-ptach everything to patch panels, and then go port by port through the entire building labelling everything
15:18 <AmyBSOD\srn> aosdict\ito: whaaaaat you're saying that grunthack makes it impossible to polypile scrolls, potions and spellbooks? WTF
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15:18 <AmyBSOD\srn> I mean, I knew that grunt was evil, but...
15:19 <K2> amy no
15:19 <Xzight> where can i see my high scores for 3.6.1 on hardfought?
15:19 <Tariru> I think it's just that you can't blank them first.
15:19 <K2> blank scrolls wont poly
15:19 <AmyBSOD\srn> ah, the other way around
15:19 <K2> Xzight one sec
15:19 <K2> !sb
15:19 <Beholder> K2: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/scoreboard (HDF) or https://scoreboard.xd.cm (ALL)
15:19 <AmyBSOD\srn> so you can't use blank scrolls as polyfodder, I see
15:19 <Tariru> Presumably water and blank spellbooks won't work either.
15:19 <Xzight> ty
15:19 <K2> the hdf scoreboard is us server only for now
15:19 <Tariru> Not being able to blank them just means you can't bless them all easily first, really.
15:20 <AmyBSOD\srn> usually I just bless any polypile result scrolls that are actually good ;)
15:20 <K2> me contemplating what to drink next - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2492
15:20 <K2> it looks like i'm thinking about server room stuff. but I am really thinking about alcohol
15:21 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> haha
15:21 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> What was the final decision?
15:21 <AmyBSOD\srn> K2: how do you manage to look so handsome? I mean, I'm a lesbian, I'm usually not into guys, but you look great ♥
15:22 <K2> lol
15:22 <K2> @Tone\ootc mojito
15:22 <K2> because i was in delray
15:23 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Ah, good choice
15:23 <K2> AmyBSOD\srn if you think i'm handsome then you're not 100% lesbian. bisexual for the win
15:23 <K2> \o/
15:23 <AmyBSOD\srn> heh, I do admit that I kissed boys during my school years... but back then I didn't know yet that I was lesbian
15:25 <K2> i never kissed a guy until adulthood. never play gay chicken with an infantry soldier
15:25 <K2> win at all costs
15:25 <K2> i dont like scratchy beard face on my face... yuk
15:26 <K2> but i dont like to shave either... no wonder my wife complains
15:26 <K2> hmm
15:26 <K2> that was probably... way too much info
15:27 <elenmirie\splat> only a little too much...
15:27 <K2> ;)
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15:28 <K2> so
15:29 <K2> (awkward silence)
15:29 <K2> how's junethack going for everyone?
15:29 <raisse\splat> meh.
15:29 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Trying to wrap up a 343 game that doesn't want me to win
15:30 <AmyBSOD\srn> not much time left, I should get back into my slex game
15:30 <winny> i didn't play as much as i wanted to this month
15:30 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Did you know if you have a one line display with curses that sometimes it skips lines?
15:30 <winny> was too busy doing summer university & work i guess
15:30 <raisse\splat> I played a lot but with very little success/
15:30 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> And wands of cancelation end up looking like no message wands?
15:31 <AmyBSOD\srn> K2: on the off chance that my slex game is still alive when the tournament is a few hours from ending, I'll have to commit suicide. Would it be possible in that case to make a backup of the save that can be restored once the tournament is over, or do I have to die for real?
15:31 <K2> i havent been able to play nearly as much as i would have liked. damn work
15:31 <K2> hey congrats Tariru
15:31 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> 'grats Tariru
15:31 <K2> i did at least get a sporkhack asc this year. vindicated myself a bit
15:32 <Tariru> Thanks everyone. 
15:32 <Tariru> Just that buggy dynahack game to try and finish off now.
15:33 <K2> save often
15:33 <K2> dynahack is play at your own risk
15:33 <AmyBSOD\srn> woohoo congrats Tariru!
15:35 <hothraxxa> this streak is more impressive to me than the 61 games
15:39 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> k2:9/10 you need more facial hair
15:39 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> also what even is that transcript
15:40 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> TMI from both amy and k2 :p
15:40 <K2> lol
15:41 <Announcy> Junethack: Tariru ascended a game of NetHack Fourk on eu.hardfought.org!
15:41 <AmyBSOD\srn> rikersan\srn: büschelbüschelbüschel! ♥
15:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> what the shit does that even mean amy
15:41 <K2> i can never grow out a beard like i want. have to shave every month for drill
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15:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> wait, drill?
15:41 <AmyBSOD\srn> it's "bundlebundlebundle" in english
15:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> you're nat guard right
15:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> you're not allowed to have beards?
15:41 <K2> army national guard training. drill
15:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> screw that guys with beards are sexy
15:41 <K2> hell no its the army
15:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> TIL
15:41 <K2> only specops guys on mission get to rock a beard
15:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> actually didn't konw that before
15:42 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> lol, since they can't shave?
15:42 <K2> hahah
15:43 <K2> besides my beard is half grey
15:43 <K2> you dont wanna see that
15:43 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> /xivdb shrug
15:43 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> er
15:43 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
15:44 <K2> heh
15:44 <FIQ> K2: you need to rollback @ahrimen 's FIQHack save 2 turns
15:44 <K2> FIQ ok
15:44 <K2> which server
15:44 <FIQ> ask him/her I suppose
15:44 <FIQ> @ahrimen ^
15:44 <rld> <@ahrimen> hardfought
15:45 <rld> <@ahrimen> us
15:45 <FIQ> yeah but region
15:45 <rld> <@ahrimen> us
15:45 <FIQ> usus huh
15:45 <raisse\splat> that's plain hardfought.org, not something.hardfought.org
15:45 <FIQ> :P
15:45 <FIQ> hdf-us
15:45 <rld> <@ahrimen> that's the one. didn't know it was there did you? 😛
15:45 <FIQ> !who
15:45 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] hothraxxa [spl] Raisse [nh343] hypnotist [nh361] Eleven [nh361] 
15:45 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh4] AmyBSOD [slex] 
15:45 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-au] No current players
15:45 <FIQ> 3 possible regions
15:46 <FIQ> K2: to clarify
15:46 <FIQ> at the bottom of @ahrimen 's save
15:46 <FIQ> remove lines up until the last line is something starting with a ~
15:46 <FIQ> to remove a turn
15:46 <FIQ> so you do this twice
15:46 <FIQ> to rollback 2 turns
15:46 <K2> k
15:47 <FIQ> and @ahrimen
15:47 <FIQ> consider your choices more carefully this time :)
15:47 <FIQ> ahrimen decided to stash timed objects inside a magic chest
15:48 <FIQ> this doesn't work properly atm, I need to fix this
15:48 <raisse\splat> what are timed objects? corpses which rot away?
15:49 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> and cursed figs, and eggs with timers
15:49 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> apparently also candles and lit lamps
15:50 <rld> <@IceBox> what were the actual objects that triggered the crash @ahrimen/ @FIQ?
15:51 <FIQ> raisse\splat: that is an example, ye s
15:51 <FIQ> *yes
15:51 <K2> @ahrimen ok try your fh game now
15:51 <FIQ> @IceBox who knows
15:51 <FIQ> @ahrimen knows
15:51 <FIQ> I don't
15:51 <FIQ> but the *potential* objects is a short list
15:51 <rld> <@ahrimen> it was a food item for sure. But i guess it was an egg
15:51 <rld> <@IceBox> neat-o i'll have to keep it in mind for my future games
15:51 <rld> <@IceBox> i'd for sure do the same
15:51 <FIQ> candles
15:51 <FIQ> lamps
15:51 <FIQ> (lit ones @both)
15:51 <rld> <@ahrimen> it wasn't an egg
15:51 <FIQ> corpses
15:52 <FIQ> cursed figurines
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15:52 <rld> <@ahrimen> I don't have any of those. So maybe a melon or a pancake?
15:52 <FIQ> or an egg
15:52 <FIQ> @ahrimen hmmmm
15:52 <FIQ> then it is supposed to be fine...
15:52 <K2> game good?
15:52 <rld> <@ahrimen> yes, thank you!
15:52 <FIQ> you have a yellow mold corpse
15:52 <FIQ> you probably stashed that
15:52 <rld> <@ahrimen> ahh the corpse
15:53 <FIQ> w - a yellow mold corpse {50}
15:53 <FIQ> hooray for enhanced watchmode
15:53 <K2> damn yellow molds
15:53 <rld> <@ahrimen> lol
15:53 <rld> <@ahrimen> i don't see mold as corpses, up untill now they have just been "food items". Now I know better
15:54 <FIQ> lichens are the only ones that never rot
15:54 <FIQ> only F that is
15:54 <FIQ> lichen and lizard
15:58 <AmyBSOD\srn> oh I just noticed something funny: junethack lasts longer than the world cup lasted for Germany :D
15:58 <hothraxxa> low blow
15:59 <hothraxxa> does anyone know whether a thrown grungnir can blow up your stuff like mjollnir?
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16:02 <aosdict\ito> hothraxxa: looks like it follows the same code path and calls artifact_hit on you
16:02 <aosdict\ito> and it's also a shock attack right?
16:02 <hothraxxa> yes
16:02 <hothraxxa> i suspected as much
16:02 <aosdict\ito> so then yes it could blow up your stuff
16:02 <hothraxxa> thanks for looking
16:03 <AmyBSOD\srn> vanilla item destruction is insane, one tiny little elemental hit and most of your stuff (well, the vulnerable stuff) goes boom
16:03 <hothraxxa> i know it's a really low chance, but shit, it's not zero
16:03 <aosdict\ito> dunno why gungnir has a shock attack. it's odin's weapon, odin has nothing to do with lightning
16:03 <hothraxxa> because code existed for mjollnir?
16:04 <aosdict\ito> my idea for gungnir was a fairly ordinary spear with a decent damage bonus and +20 to hit
16:04 <aosdict\ito> because there is in fact actual mythology about the spear of Odin never missing
16:05 <raisse\splat> lol +20 to hit, that would indeed hardly ever miss
16:05 <hothraxxa> in my first splicehack fame, gungnir was silver so i assumed it was in this game and threw it at a rust monster
16:05 <Grasshopper> great for low level chars
16:05 <hothraxxa> it wasn't silver :(
16:05 <raisse\splat> did it eat it?
16:05 <hothraxxa> i found it on dlvl 1
16:06 <Grasshopper> cool
16:06 <hothraxxa> no it returns to your hand
16:06 <raisse\splat> I never remember not to throw +2 darts at rock moles because they *will* eat them.
16:06 <Grasshopper> don't even need skill for that
16:06 <hothraxxa> no problem early on because no wands or rings
16:06 <aosdict\ito> raisse\splat: Don't the rock moles, like other monsters, only eat objects on squares they step onto?
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16:07 <aosdict\ito> (and move+eat is stupid, for the record)
16:07 <hothraxxa> i hate crunching sounds
16:07 <hothraxxa> and slurping. really hate the slurping
16:07 <Grasshopper> especially in sokoban
16:08 <Grasshopper> as you know it is probably a ring or wand that might be wishing for all you know
16:08 * aosdict\ito eats a whole bag of pretzels right next to hothraxxa
16:08 <hothraxxa> and slurps mountain dew?
16:08 * Grasshopper slurps a slurpee
16:08 <AmyBSOD\srn> but slurping noises are sexy!
16:08 * AmyBSOD\srn just slurped 4 balls of ice cream a little ago ♥
16:08 <AmyBSOD\srn> chlllllllllllp!
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16:09 <Xzight> is there a time limit to finish the quest or can i leave and come back and do it later
16:09 <hothraxxa> you can and i have
16:10 <Grasshopper> despite anything your quest leader might say about urgency
16:10 <Grasshopper> they are just fibbing
16:10 <hothraxxa> I NEED TO PEE!
16:10 <Xzight> okay cool thanks
16:10 <AmyBSOD\srn> just don't do things like jumping next the quest leader
16:10 <AmyBSOD\srn> if you anger him before you have the bell, the game is unwinnable
16:10 <Grasshopper> why?
16:11 <AmyBSOD\srn> well, he doesn't like it if the player bumps into him
16:11 <Grasshopper> oh, jumping into quest leaders
16:11 <AmyBSOD\srn> which reminds me, I should use my knight's jumping ability more often
16:11 <Grasshopper> right, definitely a BAD IDEA
16:11 <aosdict\ito> AmyBSOD\srn: it's the thing we all constantly need a reminder for
16:11 <Grasshopper> AmyBSOD\srn, definitely a GOOD IDEA
16:12 <raisse\splat> aosdict\ito: yes, they do, but if there's more than one and/or there are other monsters in between they do move on to squares with +2 darts
16:20 <Chris_ANG> Oh, huh. Are there known bugs in vanilla wrt how grappling hooks work?
16:21 <Chris_ANG> Bc the 3.4.3 code looks like it'll do some odd stuff.
16:21 <aosdict\ito> Chris_ANG: I remember one bug where grappling hook hurtling over water drowned you
16:21 <[Demo][srn]> yes there are
16:21 <[Demo][srn]> I've reported one
16:21 <[Demo][srn]> it's also in 3.6.0
16:22 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Some involved with grappling items in shops I think
16:23 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Although I think that was more related to the shops than the grappling hooks
16:23 <[Demo][srn]> yep
16:23 <[Demo][srn]> my telekinesis triggered it too
16:24 <Chris_ANG> The one I see is that being pulled towards a large or strong monster re-directs the hook to the floor.
16:24 <Chris_ANG> So that you can't pull yourself to monsters while underwater or on the Plane of Air.
16:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:61980
16:25 <Chris_ANG> What's the one you reported, [Demo][srn]?
16:25 <[Demo][srn]> the shop one
16:26 <[Demo][srn]> found no evidence of it anywhere but like an ignored rgrn post from 2004
16:26 <Chris_ANG> I'm guessing this means no one uses hooks XD
16:26 <[Demo][srn]> yep
16:26 <[Demo][srn]> I only used it cause I had an idea to because telekinesis
16:27 <Chris_ANG> I'm basing shepherd's crooks on hooks.
16:27 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> i think one exists in my game
16:27 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> i was debating using it to snag the magic lamp from the sunless sea
16:27 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> but... that may also drown me
16:27 <aosdict\ito> Chris_ANG: I attempted to make them a little better by giving Arcs one in their starting inventory
16:27 <aosdict\ito> but so far have heard nothing
16:27 <[Demo][srn]> it's good decoration
16:27 <Chris_ANG> Ditto pirates XD
16:29 <Chris_ANG> lapis: If you are skilled or better in flail, you should get a menu for what you want to do.
16:31 <Chris_ANG> Or not.
16:31 <Chris_ANG> Why did that yank me in?
16:31 <[Demo][srn]> read the code
16:31 <[Demo][srn]> its annoying and weird
16:31 <[Demo][srn]> i recall i made an artifact that always yanked monsters or something
16:31 <[Demo][srn]> for marionette
16:31 <Chris_ANG> I *am* reading the code :P
16:32 <[Demo][srn]> theres some weird shit it does that doesnt seem reasonable iirc
16:32 <[Demo][srn]> idk havent looked there in months
16:33 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> i'm not gonna get skilled with flail just to grab the magic lamp lol
16:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:35500
16:34 <Chris_ANG> Oh flarg
16:34 <Chris_ANG> && rn2(P_SKILL(typ) > P_SKILLED ? 20 : 2))
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16:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 1033 points, T:789, killed by a dagger
16:34 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> !lastgame
16:34 <Beholder> @rikersan\srn: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikerw/dnethack/dumplog/1530131504.dnh.txt
16:34 <Beholder> @rikersan\srn: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tariru/nhfourk/dumps/2018-06-27%2019%3A31%3A01%2C%20Tariru-Bar-Dwa-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt
16:34 <Beholder> @rikersan\srn: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/V/V38M2Y69T/slex/dumplog/1529979663.slex.txt
16:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Hlf Fem Cha), 858 points, T:1777, killed by Mr. Jose, the shopkeeper
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16:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:36090
16:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:36094
16:43 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> just found a second damn iron hook lol
16:43 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> talk more about wands of wishing
16:46 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> iron hook = grappling hook, right?
16:46 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> Yeah
16:47 * raisse\splat had Magicbane bestowed on her by Anhur on T:5418
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16:57 <hothraxxa> so fuddles my pet fusion elemental can pick up piles of coins
16:57 <hothraxxa> hm
16:58 <hothraxxa> of course i can't take him shopping anyway. he swallows shopkeepers and puts them on fire and stuff
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17:03 <Xzight> is it a good idea to pick up all gems
17:03 <Xzight> with auto pickup
17:04 <Pavel\ito> If you mean all *, no, because you could get a loadstone
17:04 <Pavel\ito> Which is super bad
17:04 <Xzight> well i have * with AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION=">gray stone"
17:04 <Xzight> but do i need gems for anything? they take up a lot of slots in my inventory
17:05 <Pavel\ito> I'd still say no, because they're mostly worthless glass, you can only sell them if you formally ID them, and I generally have more meaningful things to use my ID scrolls on.
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17:05 <Xzight> ok thx
17:05 <Chris_ANG> It is somewhat dependent on variant.
17:05 <aosdict\ito> Xzight: also beware, if you find a loadstone and call it "load", for example
17:05 <aosdict\ito> then they will be "a stone called load"
17:06 <aosdict\ito> which won't hit that exception
17:06 <Pavel\ito> I have autopickup exceptions to pick up known gemstones but generally leave *
17:06 <aosdict\ito> also if you're a Priest, "cursed gray stone" won't hit ">gray stone" either, you need ">.*gray stone.*"
17:07 <Xzight> okay I will add that if I add * back to my autopickup for now i think I'm going to remove *
17:07 <Xzight> takes up too much space and i dont know if i need them for anything
17:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Hlf Fem Cha), 2572 points, T:3387, killed by Mr. Lugnaquillia, the shopkeeper
17:07 <Pavel\ito> They don't *do* much
17:08 <Pavel\ito> You can sell them for a lot if you ID them, and throw them at unicorns to get luck
17:09 <Pavel\ito> I don't ever find myself particularly needing cash, generally.
17:09 <Pavel\ito> I can just get my doggo to rob a shopkeeper blind and then sell his stuff back to him if I need money.
17:10 <Xzight> i had almost 10k gold earlier and no good shops lol
17:11 <Pavel\ito> You can find a priest and buy protection from him
17:11 <Pavel\ito> One (almost) always spawns in minetown
17:12 <Pavel\ito> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Protection_racket
17:17 <Pavel\ito> Oh hey, just found on that in NH 3.6.2 DYWYPI no longer excercises wisdom
17:17 <Chris_ANG> [Demo][srn]: Bug was phantom unpayed items?
17:18 <hothraxxa> Xzight: in the early game i write with with gems and keep the ones that engrave. i name them $gem valuable and throw them at aligned unicorns
17:19 <[Demo][srn]> yes
17:19 <[Demo][srn]> hey if you have a fix im 100% willing to steal it
17:19 <hothraxxa> +2 luck for a named valuable gem
17:19 <[Demo][srn]> unless its a bad fix
17:19 <Xzight> so you can tell if they are valuable by writing with them?
17:20 <hothraxxa> any gem that engraves instead of writing in the dust is a hard gem and therefore valuable
17:20 <Xzight> oh okay thanks
17:20 <hothraxxa> they are rare before mine's end
17:21 <jonadab> Glass isn't hard?
17:21 <aosdict\ito> EPI: implement worthless minerals that are >= 7 on mohs scale
17:21 <Chris_ANG> That bug also affects the shops on the Ana quest home.
17:21 <aosdict\ito> er, > 7?
17:21 <Chris_ANG> Not sure what the solution should be :/
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17:21 <[Demo][srn]> how does it affect it?
17:21 <hothraxxa> glass makes scratches on my unblessed touchstone so yes it's hard
17:21 <[Demo][srn]> how do you grab stuff from there?
17:21 <jonadab> aosdict\ito: quartz?
17:22 <[Demo][srn]> the devteam might have fixed it in 3.6.1
17:22 <[Demo][srn]> i have no idea
17:22 <[Demo][srn]> if not it might be fixed in 3.6.2 dev
17:22 <aosdict\ito> jonadab: HARDGEM is >= 8 apparently.
17:22 <Chris_ANG> If you set something down at the edge of the shop, it stays on your bill.
17:22 <[Demo][srn]> it was present in 3.6.1 when i reported
17:22 <[Demo][srn]> but that was 3.6.1 dev
17:22 <Chris_ANG> So you can accidently "steal" stuff by setting it down one space too far and walking out.
17:22 <aosdict\ito> jonadab: and I know quartz/glass is 7.
17:22 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> usually when i'm getting ready to burn a bunch of ID scrolls i grab any gems i can find just to see if they're valuable
17:23 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> and some monsters have a much higher tendency to carry valuable gems (looking at you, migo workers)
17:23 <jonadab> I do that at low priority if I've got spare inventory slots.
17:23 <jonadab> But the first time, I often have enough actually worth-identifying things for all my slots.
17:25 <Chris_ANG> [Demo][srn]: Ew, or did the bug result in a permanently bugged unpaid item?
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17:30 <[Demo][srn]> yes
17:30 <[Demo][srn]> very bad in nh4 based stuff
17:30 <[Demo][srn]> cause it gives you the submenu instead of an annoying impossible
17:31 <hothraxxa> Fuggup hits itself.  Fuggup is heating up!  The fire doesn't seem to burn Fuggup!  Fuggup hits itself.  Fuggup hits itself.
17:31 <[Demo][srn]> its such an irrelevant bug
17:31 <[Demo][srn]> i wish id found something cool but no i have this lame thing
17:32 <aosdict\ito> jonadab: a Tedious Patch Idea would be to implement Mohs comparisons for #rubbing gems on one another - scratch marks are only produced if you rub a harder gem on a softer gem. Would allow much better gem identification but would ultimately be very boring.
17:33 <hothraxxa> You swap places with Fuggup.  Fuggup jumps near you from the ceiling.
17:33 <hothraxxa> no idea what's going on here
17:33 <Chris_ANG> ...slex?
17:33 <aosdict\ito> !who
17:33 <Beholder> aosdict\ito: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] hothraxxa [spl] Xzight [nh361] Eleven [nh361] 
17:33 <Beholder> aosdict\ito: [hdf-eu] Tariru [dyn] jt [dyn] oh6 [spl] Graznop [nh361] 
17:33 <Beholder> aosdict\ito: [hdf-au] No current players
17:33 <hothraxxa> fuggup is still a fusion elemental
17:33 <hothraxxa> splice
17:34 <hothraxxa> tail of a tame fusion elemental called Fuggup, leashed to you
17:34 <hothraxxa> oy
17:35 <Chris_ANG> I'm guessing it's not supposed to be a lurker- or a worm-type enemy, then.
17:37 <Xzight> so can you use Elbereth unlimited times?
17:38 <aosdict\ito> yes
17:38 <hothraxxa> Chris_ANG: pretty sure it's a bug
17:38 <aosdict\ito> if you burn it in the floor with wands of fire or lightning, that is limited by the charges in the wand of course
17:42 <[Demo][srn]> anybody with mystery flags on their new monsters needs to really look through their monsters and look into that :P
17:42 <[Demo][srn]> jesus christ i need to audit all my spirits
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17:45 <Chris_ANG> [Demo][srn]: So far I've come to the conclusion that remote_burglary
17:45 <Chris_ANG> and associated code
17:45 <Chris_ANG> are not handling things properly.
17:46 <[Demo][srn]> i think i convinced myself to avoid that at all costs and have the DT fix it and steal their patch
17:46 <[Demo][srn]> but i dont remember so i dont have to hold myself to it
17:48 <[Demo][srn]> i have no idea what im gonna do when i leave tomorrow for the rest of june. not sure if ill play any nh or work on ndnh or just be busy finding dumb shit to do
17:48 <[Demo][srn]> wait june has 31 days?
17:55 <Chris_ANG> This is a subtle one.
17:55 <Chris_ANG> The devteam left comments in the code indicating that they believed they were handling grappling hooks.
17:56 <Chris_ANG> Empirically, whatever they were trying to do didn't work :(
17:57 <[Demo][srn]> ah cool
17:57 <[Demo][srn]> theres a funny comment in dnh i keep laughing at
17:58 <[Demo][srn]> https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/blob/compat-3.16.0/src/dothrow.c#L1662
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18:01 <Chris_ANG> Yes, I saw your comment on that comment the other day :P
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18:02 <[Demo][srn]> ok yeah couldnt recall
18:02 <Chris_ANG> However, it is technically true, if missing an implict "*If* GoP were required"
18:03 <[Demo][srn]> hey fun tip and idea and warning
18:03 <[Demo][srn]> if you ever decide you wanna allow any item thrown to return you are gonna run into a lot of complications
18:03 <[Demo][srn]> my tip is dont
18:04 <Chris_ANG> I'm assuming since the item may have ceased existing?
18:04 <Chris_ANG> or been added to a monster's inventory.
18:05 <[Demo][srn]> actually that's usually fine
18:05 <[Demo][srn]> I have a list of issues somewhere
18:05 <[Demo][srn]> artilight weapons go out and stay out
18:06 <Chris_ANG> Yup, this is a really subtle one :(
18:06 <[Demo][srn]> potions don't break
18:06 <[Demo][srn]> spitting acid returns and doesn't splat
18:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1641 points, T:3519, killed by a dwarf king
18:06 <Chris_ANG> So far that sounds like all one issue, actually.
18:07 <[Demo][srn]> I think everything thrown gets put back in you uwep
18:07 <[Demo][srn]> what's that one issue?
18:07 <Chris_ANG> splatting acid and breaking potions at least are handled together,
18:07 <[Demo][srn]> I think maybe they do splat
18:07 <Chris_ANG> I think in the function that places an object on the floor.
18:07 <[Demo][srn]> I can't recall
18:08 <[Demo][srn]> when it misses it returns
18:08 <Chris_ANG> Yep
18:08 <[Demo][srn]> which isn't a problem for potions
18:08 <[Demo][srn]> well unless you hit a wall
18:08 <[Demo][srn]> there are probably a lot of issues I don't know about
18:08 <Chris_ANG> Artifact lights are probably extinguished when thrown and re-lit when they hit the floor, so that would be connected too.
18:09 <[Demo][srn]> you just get a broken sunsword
18:09 <[Demo][srn]> until you drop and rewield
18:09 <[Demo][srn]> like the light is just off
18:10 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, 'cause lights are these weird things.
18:10 <[Demo][srn]> most likely other stuff breaks that I don't know of
18:11 <Chris_ANG> I wanted to have an arrow that lit up the terrain as it traveled.
18:11 <Chris_ANG> But thrown objects aren't lit >_<
18:11 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> chris 2wepping lightsaber isn't supposed to work, irght?
18:11 <Chris_ANG> No, it's supposed to work.
18:12 <[Demo][srn]> why do you think the annulus is one handed? :P
18:12 <[Demo][srn]> ana needs a cool light source
18:12 <[Demo][srn]> thats all i know
18:13 <Tarmunora_> What skill does 2-bladed annulus use?
18:13 <Tarmunora_> Staff or sabre?
18:13 <[Demo][srn]> saber
18:13 <[Demo][srn]> either saber or nothing
18:13 <[Demo][srn]> cause it sure as hell doesnt train anything else
18:13 <Tarmunora_> Huh. What reason is there to not light the second blade?
18:14 <[Demo][srn]> there isnt
18:14 <[Demo][srn]> what the hell
18:14 <[Demo][srn]> how have you all been playing ana? :P
18:14 <Tarmunora_> I always assumed that it y'know, became a 2hander staff-sabre
18:14 <Tarmunora_> So I used the BFG
18:14 <Tarmunora_> BFG is life
18:14 <[Demo][srn]> no its a nice friendly 1 handed saber
18:15 <[Demo][srn]> pretty sure it tells u that on the wiki?
18:15 <Tarmunora_> I know Nero did an ana run 2wep BFG and heavy machine gun
18:15 <[Demo][srn]> lightsaber
18:15 <[Demo][srn]> Can ignite two blades, is still one-handed.
18:15 * Tarmunora_ may have never read the wiki entry for the annulus
18:16 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> BFG form is still good though
18:17 <[Demo][srn]> oh yeah
18:17 <[Demo][srn]> but wayyy more work
18:18 <[Demo][srn]> bfg/ heavy mg two wep sounds fun
18:18 <[Demo][srn]> but wayyyyy too much work
18:18 <[Demo][srn]> making sure you always have ammo and carrying it and stuff
18:19 <[Demo][srn]> enchanting ammo?
18:19 <Tarmunora_> waiting for the firing animation
18:19 <Tarmunora_> As you shoot off >20 bullets per attack
18:20 <[Demo][srn]> oh yeah a pain too
18:21 <[Demo][srn]> i think its time to kill my ndnh wizard mode save for testing overloading
18:21 <Chris_ANG> Technically I think the second blade is an extra -3 to hit, but that isn't important in most circumstances.
18:22 <[Demo][srn]> why is double lightsaber -6 tohit?
18:23 <Chris_ANG> Because I have a very low opinion of double-ended weapons, that somehow doesn't hit the Annulus :D
18:23 <[Demo][srn]> why
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18:23 <Chris_ANG> Probably the Annulus should get the full to-hit penalty of a double lightsaber with both blades lit, 
18:24 <Chris_ANG> which might make the effect of the second blade at least somewhat noticeable.
18:24 <Tarmunora_> The Annulus' second blade is just parallel to the first one, like the Pen of the Void
18:25 <Tarmunora_> Considering it's still one-handed and apparently using saber skill
18:25 <Chris_ANG> Well, maybe.  I'd have to change the (r)ead description of the Annulus, though.
18:25 <Chris_ANG> The Annulus in lightsaber form is a hollow metal pipe.
18:26 <Chris_ANG> The blades come out opposite ends of the pipe.
18:26 <[Demo][srn]> so?
18:27 <[Demo][srn]> ur a time traveller
18:27 <[Demo][srn]> why cant a metal pipe have two ends that are the same end
18:27 <[Demo][srn]> somehow
18:27 <Tarmunora_> The blade curve at an angle and you wield it like an energy sword from halo
18:27 <Chris_ANG> I'd just need to describe it as a *bent* metal pipe.
18:28 <[Demo][srn]> im gonna do that because i can
18:29 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> Chris_ANG any ETA on when the 2wep lihgtsabers is going to be added?
18:30 <Chris_ANG> It's already in, however, there might be a bit of a bug currently?
18:30 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> hm ok
18:30 <Chris_ANG> What is it doing to you at the moment?
18:30 <[Demo][srn]> wep lightsabers?
18:30 <[Demo][srn]> 2wep
18:30 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> you can't keep the other saber lit
18:30 <[Demo][srn]> what do you mean?
18:30 <[Demo][srn]> yes you can?
18:30 <Chris_ANG> I was running into some trouble with this the other day.
18:31 <Chris_ANG> I think it unexpectedly un-twoweapons you when you light the first lightsaber.
18:31 <Chris_ANG> Just light it and then #twoweapon.
18:31 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> I'm an idiot
18:31 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> I always tried ot light them both before 2weping
18:31 <Chris_ANG> Once you're twoweaponing you can light your offhand saber w/out it needing to be in your main.
18:31 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> yep
18:31 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> I see
18:32 <[Demo][srn]> yeah
18:32 <[Demo][srn]> why do lightsabers have tohit reductions?
18:32 <Chris_ANG> It is Starwars canon that lightsabers are difficult for non-jedi to use.
18:33 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> if you have active telepathy you do'nt have it rigt
18:33 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> I know you get full BAB with either active intrinsic or extrinsic
18:33 <Chris_ANG> If you have telepathy you get full BAB with them.
18:33 <Chris_ANG> You always have the penalty.
18:33 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> cool ok
18:36 <[Demo][srn]> i think i might start trying to implement some sort of demo of new bodies for clockworks
18:37 <Chris_ANG> Yeah, might steal.
18:37 <[Demo][srn]> probably wont want to if i end up getting anything working it will be very very bad
18:37 <[Demo][srn]> but the ideas maybe will be ok
18:38 <[Demo][srn]> oh i recall what i was gonna do before that
18:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Ana Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:880
18:38 <[Demo][srn]> my preliminary for that is gonna be bronze law soldiers
18:38 <Chris_ANG> Blarg.  Well, I made it so the impossible message only prints once -_-
18:38 <[Demo][srn]> good fix :P
18:39 <[Demo][srn]> have you tested 3.6.1?
18:39 <Chris_ANG> Don't steal from shops with crooks, y'all.
18:39 <[Demo][srn]> cause i havent tested since 3.6.1-dev
18:39 <Chris_ANG> No
18:39 <[Demo][srn]> and i reported formally + talked to ais
18:39 <[Demo][srn]> so theres a chance its fixed
18:40 <Chris_ANG> I'll have to look.
18:40 <Chris_ANG> So, currently, shepherd's crooks are quarterstaff-skill weapon-tools that:
18:40 <[Demo][srn]> hmm im gonna steal the way rilmani barracks are done
18:40 <Chris_ANG> 1) cause pets to follow you as if you had a treat
18:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> alright cha ana wish what do I do
18:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> tie-dye?
18:41 <Chris_ANG> 2) give a +1 square bonus to the range at which pets follow between levels
18:41 <[Demo][srn]> always
18:41 <[Demo][srn]> the carry cap balance id very bad for ana
18:41 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> kk figured
18:41 <[Demo][srn]> where you gotta carry the orbs
18:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Ana Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 greased tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:1151
18:42 <Chris_ANG> 3) can be applied for a grappling hook-type menu that lets you a) hit a targeted monster b) hook a targeted monster c) hook a targeted item.
18:43 <Chris_ANG> It never does the wrong thing, and peaceful/tame monsters will always be hooked if targeted.
18:43 <Chris_ANG> Hostile monsters might be hooked or attacked if you  try to hook them.
18:43 <[Demo][srn]> first things first, rebranding clockwork soldier to clockwork fighter
18:43 <Chris_ANG> If you hook a large monster, you will pull yourself to the monster instead of the monster to you.
18:44 <[Demo][srn]> oh man i should have commit my previous change first
18:44 <[Demo][srn]> oh well
18:45 <[Demo][srn]> why are clockwork soldiers all juggernauty?
18:47 <Chris_ANG> You just sorta wind them up and let them go.
18:47 <Chris_ANG> Juggernauts are at least able to sense you, and chase you down.
18:48 <[Demo][srn]> ah
18:48 <[Demo][srn]> ok
18:48 <[Demo][srn]> yeah i see
18:48 <[Demo][srn]> why are clockwork gnomes different?
18:48 <[Demo][srn]> hmm would be neat to use mfaction for material types of clockwork soldiers
18:49 <Chris_ANG> Tinker gnomes?
18:49 <[Demo][srn]> are clockwork gnomes not a thing?
18:49 <[Demo][srn]> oh hmm
18:49 <Chris_ANG> Ah, yeah, not a thing.
18:49 <Chris_ANG> You're probably thinking of tinker gnomes.
18:49 <[Demo][srn]> no must be something else
18:50 <[Demo][srn]> actually i must think the fighters are gnomes
18:50 <[Demo][srn]> that makes sense
18:50 <[Demo][srn]> err soldiers
18:50 <[Demo][srn]> sorry im changing them all to fighters so this is confusing
18:51 <[Demo][srn]> would mfaction work for storing a material type?
18:51 <Chris_ANG> Sure.  Consistently applying a material type might be a huge pain, though.
18:51 <[Demo][srn]> what do you mean?
18:51 <Chris_ANG> And
18:51 <Chris_ANG> I would introduce a separate variable.
18:51 <[Demo][srn]> ahahha good one
18:51 <[Demo][srn]> it sort of is an mfaction
18:52 <Chris_ANG> Since "Faction" really isn't supposed to be used for that.
18:52 <[Demo][srn]> like the iron clockwork faction
18:52 <[Demo][srn]> versus the bronze clockwork faction
18:52 <[Demo][srn]> do u not know ur clockwork politics?
18:52 <Chris_ANG> Well, depends on how you want to use it, I guess.
18:52 <Chris_ANG> If that's really what you want it for, then yeah it's a faction.
18:52 <[Demo][srn]> VEGGY grudges GOLD
18:53 <Chris_ANG> Afk for a bit.
18:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Hlf Fem Cha), 112 points, T:319, killed by a black pudding
18:55 <[Demo][srn]> clockwork army is gonna be cool
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18:57 <Xzight> what kind of items can and cant pets pick up? i cant get it to pick up a ruby ring or a pick axe
18:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Ana Hum Mal Cha), 16712 points, T:2216, killed by a mind flayer
18:59 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> damnit I should have run
18:59 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> oh well I can do that later
18:59 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> *that again
19:01 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> how did you die to a mind flayer on 2216?
19:01 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> quest spawn
19:01 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> also, did you take your helmet off?
19:02 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> it walked through the potral
19:02 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> nope it wasn't brainlessness just a lightsaber
19:02 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> ahh
19:03 <[Demo][srn]> platinum doubles on those masters
19:03 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> ikr
19:03 <[Demo][srn]> platinum clockwork faction
19:03 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> I really should have run and then tried to arm blaster him but oh well
19:07 <Xzight> on the wiki it says i cant put a bunch of items in a bag and my cat can steal it but its not working
19:07 <Pavel\ito> Pretty sure that was only true in old NHs
19:09 <[Demo][srn]> watch out for clockwork troopers
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19:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:69063
19:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:69063
19:13 <jilles> Xzight, kittens and housecats (and their dog counterparts) can't carry that much
19:13 <Xzight> ah okay
19:15 <[Demo][srn]> arent dogs a better starting pet than cats?
19:15 <[Demo][srn]> cause dog weight  > housecat weight so they can pick up larger stuff
19:17 <jilles> yes, but when they're large it doesn't matter anymore
19:18 <[Demo][srn]> but until then dogs have the edge
19:20 <[Demo][srn]> hmm it seems to me clockwork army will be a lot stronger than its yendorian counterpart
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19:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1750
19:29 <[Demo][srn]> welp G is overloaded
19:31 <Tarmunora_> Maybe use a new symbol for automatons
19:31 <Pinkbeast> You can however steal the most valuable object in the shop repeatedly and buy everything else.
19:32 <[Demo][srn]> what symbol?
19:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:5303
19:40 <hothraxxa> jilles: dogs always have the edge. it's really significant when they get large. a cat can only carry 172 but a dog can carry 551
19:40 <hothraxxa> gnome healers have to know this stuff
19:41 <[Demo][srn]> haha
19:42 <[Demo][srn]> arent large ones M?_STRONG?
19:42 <[Demo][srn]> so they have the same weight cap as you?
19:43 <hothraxxa> not as far as the wiki is concerned, confirmed by my own experiments
19:43 <hothraxxa> more than once i've fine-tuned a bag in a shop
19:43 <hothraxxa> if you play a variant that shows weight, this is easy to see
19:43 <[Demo][srn]> gnomish healers earn mad respect
19:44 <hothraxxa> i like them
19:44 <[Demo][srn]> that shits difficultish
19:44 <hothraxxa> you learn the tricks
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19:45 <hothraxxa> i have the first gnome healer ascension in 5 variants, i think it is
19:47 <hothraxxa> hm. i seem to have lost one
19:48 <[Demo][srn]> im sure it gives u a unique perspective and a good edge in niche situations
19:50 <hothraxxa> you learn how to get to mine town at xl1 or 2
19:50 <[Demo][srn]> yeah i hate me a protection run
19:51 <hothraxxa> you can do that with other squishy roles but only tourist starts rich enough 
19:52 <[Demo][srn]> get a pickaxe and loot vaults
19:52 <hothraxxa> anyway it's important to have a strong pet as an accomplice in robbery
19:53 <hothraxxa> lock in dog in your rc, done
19:53 <hothraxxa> pony is way stronger but they always starve 
19:54 <hothraxxa> usually at the worst time
19:55 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> pony is fine when you can ride it
19:55 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> they'll eat rations if they're starving
19:56 <[Demo][srn]> pomies weigh like what, 800?
20:01 <Xzight> in the _ menu is there a way to cycle through the different stairs if theres more than one
20:01 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> You can press the stair symbol multiple times I think?
20:01 <rld> <@Tone\ootc> Not 100% sure which menu you mean
20:07 <Pinkbeast> Tone is right (and there's no menu)
20:13 <Xzight> ugh i have such a good run going right now but i cant find the gnomish mine stairs lol
20:13 <Pinkbeast> Xzight: Not sure why that's cause for laughter but there aren't really many places they can be
20:15 <Xzight> ive checked floors 2-4 but theres no stairs to be found and boulders in the way of a couple passages
20:21 <Xzight> found it
20:22 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> can be on floor 1 too right?
20:22 <Xzight> not sure i found it on f4
20:22 <Pinkbeast> lapis: No.
20:30 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> the downstairs to the mines are always on 2-4, the first mines level is on 3-5
20:30 <rld> <@rikersan\srn> *is number 3-5
20:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Hoppet (hoppet) (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 31444 points, T:2518, killed by a giant mimic
20:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:10500
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21:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8461 points, T:11833, petrified by a chickatrice
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21:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Syl (Silver2195) (Wiz Syl Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:12813
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21:18 <Beholder> Grasshopper: Pong! 
21:20 <Announcy> Junethack: rebatela ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.1 on nethack.alt.org!
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22:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4549
22:04 <Chris_ANG> [Demo][srn]: You still have fast-leveling ancients in ndnh.
22:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4682
22:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1630 points, T:4721, killed by Mr. Hebiwerie; the shopkeeper
22:05 <Chris_ANG> You should consider removing the call to grow_up in their breath code.
22:13 <[Demo][srn]> ok
22:13 <[Demo][srn]> good plan
22:13 <[Demo][srn]> tried to leave myself a note to do that
22:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 232 points, T:1500, killed by a wand
22:16 <aosdict\ito> those dang sentient wands
22:16 <aosdict\ito> I would suggest "Wands don't kill people - people kill people!" as a T-shirt message but there's already a similar one
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22:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2747 points, T:2350, killed by a dart
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22:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1346 points, T:1520, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze
22:32 <[Demo][srn]> i want that one
22:32 <[Demo][srn]> add it to slex
22:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:70970
22:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:70971
22:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5716 points, T:3363, killed by a white unicorn
22:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:5367
22:47 <rld> <@escargott'em> Not that I'll actually get a wish.. but what is priority after dragon scale? I'd like speed boots but I already have jump so feels like a waste.. I heard gauntlets of power are usually easy to find
22:48 <rld> <@escargott'em> I have reflection, boh, a weapon
22:49 <[Demo][srn]> comr?
22:50 <rld> <@escargott'em> amulet of life saving.. poly wand for polypiling..
22:50 <rld> <@escargott'em> mr would be a nice upgrade from displacement
22:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:71152
23:04 <rld> <@IceBox> You have marker drac?
23:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 8245 points, T:4063, killed by a soldier ant, while sleeping
23:08 <rld> <@escargott'em> yeah
23:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:71589
23:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:71590
23:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6998
23:22 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> more magic markers
23:22 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> if you don't have an MR source that's probably top priority
23:23 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> i would say MR>Poly wand>extra magic markers
23:24 <rld> <@lapis/ootc> if you don't already have a marker or a good stock of magic tools, it can take precedence over a poly wand
23:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:9054
23:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism by offering an orc-captain corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:8344
23:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:8736
23:43 <K2> Quetzalcoatl, that's supposed to be Grayswandir
23:43 <K2> get it right
23:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 12653 points, T:12230, petrified by a chickatrice
23:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 48550 points, T:6391, killed by Cerberus