00:00 lots of ppl playing at once, dont want any reason for lag to creep in 00:01 <[Demo][srn]> yeah and if other ppl wanted to do what i was doing it would be very bad 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] tonksy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 466 points, T:2001, killed by a coyote, while fainted from lack of food 00:01 yup 00:02 <[Demo][srn]> with ur like 8 threads or whatever that would get bad quickly 00:02 you should run that on a local build you'd prob get the results you want to see a lot faster 00:02 <[Demo][srn]> I did run it on a local build and it wasnt an issue for me but i never looked at cpu usage 00:02 ah 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> and i didnt feel it heat up 00:03 memory usage was fine fyi 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> cause my local build is on a remote server 00:03 aws? 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> yeah if it had mmeory usage issues i would know 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> nope, basement lol 00:03 heh 00:03 thats not remote lol 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> remote from upstair 00:03 hahah 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> cant feel the heat from there 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> or hear fans 00:04 true 00:04 <[Demo][srn]> this game has been killed twice now by the way 00:04 <[Demo][srn]> at first it was gonna exploit the like 96d12 dmg forcebolt can do 00:04 good lord 00:04 <[Demo][srn]> but then it turned out forcebolt cant hit anything in dnh with less than -8 AC 00:04 96d12 lol 00:04 <[Demo][srn]> so that is basically useless 00:05 ugh 00:05 <[Demo][srn]> and then it was gonna try to break time but then that turned out to be very bad 00:05 <[Demo][srn]> so now itll probably find a new purpose 00:05 ok... i have to get up in 5 hrs 00:05 <[Demo][srn]> yikes 00:05 gnite ;) 00:05 <[Demo][srn]> ow 00:05 <[Demo][srn]> good night 00:05 is there a way to change the in game meta key? 00:06 33 00:06 3 00:06 excuse me cleaning keyboard 00:08 <[Demo][srn]> dirty 3 key! 00:08 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 00:09 better than dirty 6 anyway 00:11 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:31 -!- Xzight has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:13 <[Demo][srn]> what are you supposed to do if you get ascension needed items embedded outside the walls of sokoban again? 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:4200 01:22 poly into a xorn 01:30 <@lapis/ootc> How would you get ascension items buried in the soko walls 01:42 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6250 01:47 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has joined #hardfought 01:59 !tell jonadab reminder, because bugfixes in fourk seem to be very slow (:P): the library in fourk spawns humans, which are @-class monsters that give a murder penalty when killed even if they spawn hostile. Please fix if you haven't already. :P 01:59 Will do, AmyBSOD\srn! 02:00 !tell aosdict\ito if you consider anything that can randomly kill you to be unbalanced, what are you going to do about the problem that a random lieutenant can have a random wand of death and end your game? I've lost at least three games this Junethack to random wands of death, and I didn't play all that many games. This shit just happens way too often. 02:00 Will do, AmyBSOD\srn! 02:05 !tell aosdict\ito also, did you move your YANI/YASI archive somewhere else? I haven't seen an update to the one on nethackwiki in a long time! 02:05 Will do, AmyBSOD\srn! 02:08 !tell aosdict\ito you said "vanilla doesn't care if you die. grunthack wants you dead." I'd rather say "vanilla doesn't care if you die; grunthack wants you to watch in horror as it breaks all your toys, executes your family members and throws your favorite comic books out the window, and then it kills you." :P 02:08 Will do, AmyBSOD\srn! 02:14 Vanilla likes you to watch as it kills your pet. 02:14 via falling rock trap? :D 02:15 Mainly. 02:17 Also, I think Grunt's reputation for evilness is greatly exaggerated. 02:18 grunt is officially the evil variant, the only other variant that can compete with it in terms of evilness is slex if you enable the evilvariant mode ;) 02:18 -!- zjmc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:18 That's just bullshit. 02:19 basically, the evilvariant mode in slex takes the most player-hostile ideas of grunt and certain other variants and implements them to screw the player over :P 02:21 !who 02:21 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-us] MiseryMyra [nh4] hypnotist [nh361] 02:21 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-eu] No current players 02:21 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-au] No current players 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh4] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Mal Law), 75959 points, T:18046, killed by a winged gargoyle 02:33 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 02:34 [hdf-us] [fh] Hoppet (hoppet) (Tou Gno Fem Neu), 6444 points, T:123, quit 02:36 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:36 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 02:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a black naga, on T:7995 02:48 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 02:51 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:56 just read about Tariru's fourk crash. Why, oh WHY did the developer make it so that spacebar selects some random garbage option on the "save game is corrupted" prompt 02:57 the prompt comes up entirely out of the blue, so why anyone would make it so that it can be dismissed with a single keypress is beyond me 03:33 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 03:36 -!- MisteryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:57 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:57 lol I'm just reading the changelog of ais523's original evil variant... it really makes it so that life saving also prevents ascensions, leaving you stranded on astral :P 04:08 [Demo][srn]: it would be much more efficient if you installed a local version of junethack and tested it locally with various faked xlogfile entries 04:09 [Demo][srn]: there's even a convenience function to import a local xlogfile for a given server: e.g. rake test:import[xlogfile,hdf_dnh] 04:10 [Demo][srn]: I also would be very surprised if anything around 2^31 or 2^32 would be problematic. we're living in the 64 bit era now. 04:11 and lo and behold, _viewing_ a game with more than 2^64 points makes the page crash. because I extended the wrong class for formatting purposes :-) 04:45 -!- ahriman has joined #hardfought 04:52 -!- ahriman is now known as RexDaemonia 04:53 -!- RexDaemonia has left #hardfought 05:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:41 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:58 !lastgame 05:58 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hoppet/fiqhack/dumplog/2018-06-25%2006%3A34%3A24%2C%20Hoppet-Tou-Gno-Fem-Neu%2C%20quit.txt 05:58 Grasshopper: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nh361/dumplog/1529916546.nh361.txt 05:58 Grasshopper: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grasshopper/nh361/dumplog/1529897457.nh361.txt 06:06 -!- Tangles_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:06 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 06:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 06:18 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 06:57 is it just me or does reddit look differently now? 06:59 http://old.reddit.com/ 06:59 You failed to decline the beta 06:59 it's in your prefs somewhere to put it back 07:04 ah, found it! thanks :) 07:13 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 07:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 07:48 AmyBSOD\srn: I _do_ consider the Foo With The Out Of Depth Attack Wand to be unbalanced. The archive isn't moved, and I recently did a big update with stuff from RGRN. The actual pace of incoming ideas has slowed significantly so I'm not updating it as often. 07:48 aosdict\ito: Message from AmyBSOD\srn at 2018-06-25 02:00 EDT: if you consider anything that can randomly kill you to be unbalanced, what are you going to do about the problem that a random lieutenant can have a random wand of death and end your game? I've lost at least three games this Junethack to random wands of death, and I didn't play all that many games. This shit just happens way too often. 07:48 aosdict\ito: Message from AmyBSOD\srn at 2018-06-25 02:05 EDT: also, did you move your YANI/YASI archive somewhere else? I haven't seen an update to the one on nethackwiki in a long time! 07:48 aosdict\ito: Message from AmyBSOD\srn at 2018-06-25 02:08 EDT: you said "vanilla doesn't care if you die. grunthack wants you dead." I'd rather say "vanilla doesn't care if you die; grunthack wants you to watch in horror as it breaks all your toys, executes your family members and throws your favorite comic books out the window, and then it kills you." :P 07:48 hahahaha @ that beholder message cutoff 07:48 :D 07:48 you're right Beholder, it does. 07:50 aosdict\ito: but what can be done about the OOD wand of death? one way would be to make it able to generate only after a depth where you're reasonably certain to have either reflection or MR, but that also means you won't find a random wand of death either, except maybe in a container, because one on the ground can be picked up by monsters 07:51 I grow more and more convinced that the answer is to remove random (or even all) wands of death, because every time this debate pops up it seems like anything that can instantly kill the player is unfair 07:52 removing them entirely?! that will make Rodney and the riders much tougher 07:53 who wand of deaths the riders 07:53 Just replace wands of death with wands of disintegration. Problem solved, right? 07:53 jonadab: Message from AmyBSOD\srn at 2018-06-25 01:59 EDT: reminder, because bugfixes in fourk seem to be very slow (:P): the library in fourk spawns humans, which are @-class monsters that give a murder penalty when killed even if they spawn hostile. Please fix if you haven't already. :P 07:53 could always just give one as a reward for something, rather than orcus having one that he empties 07:53 'anything that can instantly kill is unfair', there will not be much of nethack left 07:54 bhaak: I mean, instant killing with no regard for HP and whatnot. 07:54 I actually think Rodney is a stronger argument for getting rid of wands of death, though. 07:54 aosdict\ito: His point stands. 07:54 Get rid of D1 through D40 07:54 my problem is not that the wand of death can instakill me, my problem is that it *happens all the damn time*, out of maybe two dozen promising runs fully three of mine got ruined because some bastard randomly had that stupid wand 07:55 if 1 in 8 games randomly ends because the soko prize was the bag and someone had a wand before any means of reflection/MR turns up, there's something wrong :P 07:55 aosdict\ito: there are monsters that will rip you apart if you are not prepared for them. even a wand of death is not a certain instakill. there's always the chance of the beam missing you. 07:55 bhaak: They don't teleport next to you and attack before you have a chance to deal with them on d3 though 07:55 elbereth, not-going-deep-enough-to-see-leocrotta, having good AC, having good Hp, etc all exist 07:55 you could change the effect of the wand to affect maxhp, similar to what certain variants do with with the poison instakill 07:56 that's a weird effect for a wand 07:56 zid: but a gnome with a wand of death doesn't teleport to you, either :-) 07:56 maybe make it wand of draining 07:56 when I was new to the game, I thought poison instadeaths were unfair and too common, but they can mostly be avoided; I find myself constantly praying that the RNG please provide reflection/MR before I get randomly wand of deathed though, lately 07:56 bhaak: yes, it does. 07:56 He's 8 squares away, you die 07:56 that's literally what a beam does 07:57 and it's totally invisible too 07:57 then make the aim harder, the further the beam has to the less likely it will hit. 07:57 AmyBSOD\srn: Optimal strategy for avoiding poison instadeath is to hang out on the earliest level where a monster that provides resistance can generate and prayer-farm until you get it. Optimal, but very boring. 07:57 that shifts the problem around but doesn't do anything to resolve it 07:57 Patch notes: You are now 8% less liely to die to a wand of death when it is zapped at you 07:57 woo? that's like a slap in the face 07:57 balancing is always shifting problems around unless you eliminate it completely 07:57 "We hear your complaint, but we don't care" 07:57 aosdict\ito: yes, and optimal strategy also includes searching 20 times before taking each step because there could be a dart trap; thankfully, being instakilled by those is really rare though ;) 07:58 this is nothign to do with balance 07:58 this is about the game randomly deciding to call exit() on a random number call 07:58 sure it is. "wand of death is OP" is valid complaint. 07:58 "oh, monster gen rolled a 1/800, exiting" 07:58 either balance it somehow, or remove it 07:58 Yeah what I am against is "you die. Your game is over, and there is nothing you can do. No matter how much you prepared, because the gear you needed to survive this didn't generate." 07:58 it's nothing to do with balance 07:58 aosdict\ito: ^^ 07:58 my beef exactly :P 07:58 There's nothing on the other side of the scale 07:59 It's "The scales randomly explode 1 in 800 times you use them" 07:59 there are maybe 3-4 items that provide protection from death rays and they're all rather rare; 50% of all games are autowin mode thanks to sokoban and the remaining ones often force me to brave the castle and pray that no soldier has a wand of death 08:00 it has literally become an existential problem in my nethacking: do I find items that let me survive a wand of death? if yes, ascension is almost guaranteed; if not, the game can end anytime completely at random (poison res is usually acquired early) 08:01 anyway, I don't mind the wand of draining idea 08:01 steal d4 maxhp, deal 2d8 damage and heal it or something 08:01 AmyBSOD\srn: so, instead quitting at the castle, you could quit at sokoban with an amulet of reflection? 08:01 bhaak: yes, everything past that is just "going through the motions because the clan needs those trophies" :( 08:02 in vanilla, that is 08:02 I mean, I guess a chameleon can randomly polymorph into an arch-lich and end me despite reflection. But that's very rare. 08:03 it'd have to move and poly and attack all in one base-round 08:03 It could also cast summon nasties and pull a couple minotaurs. 08:03 That is avoidable through resource expenditure though, which is perfect 08:04 that's exactly what you want, some monsters are dangerous, but you can deal with it if you use correct tactics (digging, tele, etc) 08:05 yes, as long as you do have those resources at hand 08:05 by the time you're seeing arch liches you should 08:05 when playing a variant with the wand destruction patch, you'll most probably not have those wands out in the open for fear of them being destroyed, and the turn to get them out of the bag may already take too long 08:05 or at least, chameleons often enough for that to be remotely likely 08:06 tele comes in scrolls and they are plentiful thankfully 08:06 my general solution is to blessed genocide L, but that requires me to obtain scrolls first 08:06 FR: be able to handle an offensive wand in a bag, destroying said bag while doing so 08:06 ah, that's where the hatred for un's genocide is coming from 08:08 bhaak: did you invent that devilish genocide nerf? :P 08:08 at least it's a bit better than the spork genocide nerf, but not by much (spork mocks you by always picking the two least worthwile genocide targets when using a blessed one) 08:08 AmyBSOD\srn: AFAIR, yes. I found spork's solution stupid and I think no other variant has changed genocide 08:09 (in spork, blessed genoing h probably gets hobbits and dwarves :P) 08:09 hahahahahahaha that's a joke, right? unless you don't consider slex a variant :D 08:09 genocide should be multiple choice 08:09 no, I mean, back then, no other variant had done it besides spork 08:09 ah I see 08:09 What would you like to genocide ['ax]? 08:10 What would you like to genocide [til]? 08:10 "crap" 08:10 the slex method is basically a modified version of the biodiversity genocide nerf: each species targetted by a blessed genocide has a resistance roll 08:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:21480 08:23 jonadab: btw I ported fourk's macho weapon names to xnh yesterday :D 08:30 @d?shrieker 08:30 shrieker (F) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 1 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 7 | Attacks: none | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, vegan 08:33 Junethack: New user vysar registered! https://junethack.net/user/vysar 08:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "+2 blessed fixed shield of the resolute heart", on T:21523 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:224 08:46 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 08:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:56 [hdf-us] [spl] Tmasher (Car Elf Mal Cha), 1339 points, T:2810, killed by a dwarf mummy 09:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:23400 09:21 -!- Xzight has joined #hardfought 09:23 hi AmyBSOD\srn I have a question about playing slex on PuTTY if you have a second 09:23 ah, hi Xzight! I've sent you a message but it was to the other account, one moment ;) 09:23 the message was: "I've tested a bit with the alt key, and apparently Alt-a opens a menu that lets you choose a variety of actions including loot and force." 09:24 getting the alt key to actually work like an alt key was impossible for me too, sadly 09:24 there's an option named "altkeyhandler" but I have no idea how to use that 09:24 Okay does alt work normally from a linux console? 09:24 not sure, I'm on windows 09:25 okay so u recommend atl-a for things like looting etc 09:25 I play in a linux konsole and alt does absolutely nothing 09:27 raisse\splat how do you access your M-commands 09:27 things like #loot? like that <- 09:28 Xzight: well did you try Alt-a yet? that gives a helpful little menu from which you can access the loot command 09:28 ah i didnt know u can just type it in. thats nice 09:28 or at least for me it does (using putty on windows) 09:29 Yeah alt-a is great :) was just wondering what others players 09:29 personally I use #loot, #force etc. 09:29 thanks for making this game by the way AmyBSOD it has so much stuff! 09:30 haha, thanks Xzight! I've just updated the repository today, too - there's version 2.25 now, and once the junethack tournament ends I'll hopefully be able to make another official release that is then put on the server :) 09:30 !who 09:30 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [slex] Xzight [nh361] 09:30 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-eu] Mandevil [dyn] Graznop [nh361] 09:30 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-au] V38M2Y69T [slex] Raisse [nh343] Tangles [dnh] 09:30 oh, Xzight = V38M2Y69T ? 09:30 Oh, the guy who accidentally typed his password into the username box :P 09:31 hi amy wtf is happening to me? 09:31 hothraxxa: yaaaaay you're also playing slex ♥ apparently you triggered the interface screw trap; go team nastytrap! 09:31 what do you mean V38M2Y69T? thats not me 09:31 ok i thought it was something like that. how long does this last? 09:31 Xzight: oh, I just assumed you were currently playing but apparently that's someone else then 09:32 hothraxxa: duration is random but the average depends on level difficulty, at your depth I'd expect it to end in a couple hundred turns 09:32 hm 09:32 at least if it was indeed a trap 09:32 of course, if you actually have an item that causes it, it'll last until you remove the item 09:33 also, if it is a trap, be aware that the trap will still be there once it times out and you might trigger it again 09:33 also, press Ctrl-R to update the screen 09:33 basically, what this trap does is that the screen doesn't reflect what happened unless you press Ctrl-R 09:34 ah 09:35 Mandevil\splat would probably say that it looks like the program was malfunctioning ;) 09:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 961 points, T:2434, killed by a little dog 09:39 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 09:44 I'll have to leave in a few minutes though, but may be back later 09:47 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:50 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 09:52 Junethack: Fek ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.1 on nethack.alt.org! 09:53 is "tiny" to fit a halfling? 09:55 tiny to fit a soldier ant, according to the ones in the law quest. 09:55 <[Demo][srn]> to fit MZ_TINY 09:56 but apparently shield sizes can be worn by anyone, I still get reflection, and the spellcasting penalty is less. 09:56 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Mah Red Fem Cha), 128 points, T:317, killed by a monster (arrow turret) 09:56 You do lose a point of AC for each size down, and gain for oversized shields 09:56 [Demo][srn]: yeah, but the soldier ants dropping tiny armor and helms was just hilarious. 09:57 If you didn't need the reflection, a 'gigantic elven shield' is under the casting weight cap iirc and gets +4/5 AC from size 09:58 Because elven gear is hilariously light 09:58 good to know (but in this case I do need the reflection) 09:58 What weaponry are you going to use? 09:59 elven and high-elven gear can still go to +7? 09:59 Or are using, I suppose 09:59 Yes 09:59 I have a +7 lightsaber and an assault rifle atm. 10:00 <[Demo][srn]> nah gigantic elven shield still messes with casting 10:01 Buckler is weight 30, elven shield is weight 3 10:01 <[Demo][srn]> so gigantic elven weighs 18 10:02 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 10:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 10:02 Tangles: which saber form are you using? 10:02 oh hey do the powerpacks work for blessed charging? (and do they need to be blessed?) 10:03 <[Demo][srn]> wait why the hell are you using a shield as an anachrononaut 10:03 the first one (I'm wearing CPM so can't really use the others) 10:03 <[Demo][srn]> they can get expert in twoweaponing... 10:04 <[Demo][srn]> and have access to the best offhand weapon 10:04 Gotta agree with Demo here: wishing for some DSM would have been better than a shield imo 10:04 CPM got nerfed fairly heavily recently 10:05 ah well shoulda woulda, etc. 10:06 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:06 Maybe next wish :P 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1177 points, T:3897, killed by a homunculus, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:08 <[Demo][srn]> its actually impressive how stealthable ana quest is 10:08 so... the powerpacks - do they work the same as scrolls of charging (i.e. need to be blessed)? 10:08 <[Demo][srn]> yes 10:09 ok.. will have to go back to the stash for more holy water. Thanks. 10:10 <[Demo][srn]> whered the wand shop shk go? 10:10 -!- Xzight has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:21 [Demo][srn]: He didn't leave a corpse. *shrug* 10:23 <[Demo][srn]> wand shks in dnh can have premium charging service which you can use to overcharge wands of wishing to 4 charges 10:25 again, stuff you don't know unless you know :/ Thanks. I'll remember for next time. 10:25 <[Demo][srn]> yeah thats a lot of what dnh is 10:26 <[Demo][srn]> its just a do you know this check 10:26 <[Demo][srn]> and if you do then its probably gonna be brokenly easy 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 807 points, T:2225, killed by a bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:26 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:27 yeah... it's a fun variant, but I don't play it enough to know the tricks. Maybe by next June I'll know more :) 10:30 <[Demo][srn]> fortunately to win you only need to know a few of the right tricks 10:30 <[Demo][srn]> it's like bingo 10:42 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 626 points, T:2638, killed by a pony 10:50 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:50 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:53 <[Demo][srn]> A - a platinum double lightsaber neato 10:59 @d?Amm Kamerel witness 10:59 No such monster. 11:00 <[Demo][srn]> whoa is that an artifact tower 11:02 <[Demo][srn]> I know so little about the new neutral quest changes 11:15 <[Demo][srn]> weird, a rilmani town 11:22 [Demo][srn]: are you watching now? THere's a section in the middle of this maze I can't get into. Is that the artifact tower? 11:22 <[Demo][srn]> oh thats funny 11:22 <[Demo][srn]> are you on outlands 6? 11:23 <[Demo][srn]> cause its funny cause im running through outlands in wiz mode a bunch seeing what generates and that part is broken if its outlands 6 11:23 <[Demo][srn]> that used to not be a thing 11:23 <[Demo][srn]> that was just maze there in the middle 11:23 [hdf-us] [slex] hothraxxa (Gla Rod Mal Cha), 57480 points, T:4202, killed by a monster (hallucinogen-distorted skeleton sentai) 11:23 <[Demo][srn]> now it is solid rock and monsters get generated inside of it 11:23 well that REALLY sucked 11:25 yeah it was outlands 6. 11:26 <[Demo][srn]> wow, a run through outlands 1-5 with 0 new structures 11:26 I went to oultands 7. It got intense. The little squiggly bastards nearly wrecked me. 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh13d] winny (Val Fem), 6293 points, T:4782, dead orc 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] Xzight (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2533 11:28 Technically, the monsters are getting generated in a forest, 11:28 and then a giant stone tower appears on top of them. 11:29 <[Demo][srn]> oh cool found a minor spire 11:29 I need to sweep that map after it finishes generating and rloc any monsters that are stuck in walls >_< 11:29 <[Demo][srn]> why are neutral quest structures so rare/ 11:30 To create game-to-game variability. 11:30 anyhow... time to call it a night! Thanks for the help demo. 11:30 <[Demo][srn]> a lot of games just have nothing 11:31 <[Demo][srn]> maybe a barrack or a few tool sheds 11:31 Junethack: Achievement "Walk In The Park" unlocked by hothraxxa! 11:31 There's more stuff that's just not implemented. 11:31 <[Demo][srn]> at least something mildly interesting should be guaranteed? 11:31 <[Demo][srn]> ah 11:31 <[Demo][srn]> I see 11:32 <[Demo][srn]> oh shit, i see something really cool looking 11:32 <[Demo][srn]> a quarter of the screen is shallow water 11:32 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:33 Another town design, a unique monster lair, and a larger fortress design at least. 11:34 <[Demo][srn]> ok so the only one with artifacts is the massive kameral mirror tower zone? 11:34 I did write a (semi?) reasonable wiki article on the possible neutral quest inclusions: 11:34 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Map_inclusion_(dNethack) 11:35 [Demo][srn]: The minor spire has an artifact too, of lesser quality than the massive tower. 11:35 <[Demo][srn]> right meant the good artifacts not soulmirror/mirrorbrand 11:35 Or a chance at an artifact, actually, I think? 11:35 Then yeah, only the kamerel towers inclusion. 11:36 There would be something for rilmani too, but nothing suggests itself :/ 11:36 <[Demo][srn]> an kamerel tower is only the one type of thing with all the mirrors and the water? 11:36 <[Demo][srn]> or is kamerel tower a generic term 11:37 It's only the one thing, at least for now. 11:37 Technically it is a generic term (a tower built by kamerel). 11:38 <[Demo][srn]> ok so i have now seen everything but the fishing village in wizmode testing 11:38 There is technically also a deep-water kamerel towers variant, 11:39 because fishing villages are allowed to generate on the same map as towers, 11:39 which turns the water around the towers deep. 11:39 <[Demo][srn]> do rivers do the same? 11:39 That's like a 1-in-800 chance, though. 11:41 Uh, 11:41 <@rikersan\srn> I've seen the fishing village I think 11:41 <@rikersan\srn> tha'ts the deep water + a bunh of little houses right 11:41 No 11:41 Er 11:41 <@rikersan\srn> and some shallow water ofc 11:42 @rikersan: Yeah, that's the fishing village 11:42 <@rikersan\srn> lol 11:42 <@rikersan\srn> do you have a list of maps 11:42 <@rikersan\srn> that might be good to add to the etherpad 11:42 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has joined #hardfought 11:42 <[Demo][srn]> hmm I might try to do something similar 11:42 [Demo][srn]: No, the rivers only affect trees and room squares. 11:42 <[Demo][srn]> some amalgamation of xnh gehennom and dnh creature flavor towns 11:42 So you will either end up with a river flowing into the sea, or a river next to a sea, 11:43 <[Demo][srn]> and replace the windy tower with the salamander villages 11:43 or a river that is technically present but you can't see because it generated underneath the towers and made no changes to the map XD 11:44 @rikersan: I created a map inclusion page on the wiki, which lists all the types and gives example maps. 11:46 [Demo][srn]: I plan to implement object properties and put vaults with items with said properties into gehennom. 11:46 (as inclusions in random maze levels) 11:47 (and probably as treasure rooms inside the fixed levels) 11:48 <[Demo][srn]> object properties is done poorly in every variant that has it 11:48 <[Demo][srn]> they are just flavorless artifacts 11:52 Oh, 11:53 and in terms of unimplemented inclusions: Sum-of-All should have rooms set into the rock walls, guaranteed. 11:58 hothraxxa: how did your slex game go? the only thing I see in the backscroll is that you died and said "well that really sucked"; how so? (curious :D) 11:59 somehow i had perma hallu. nothing was really killing me but your hallucination is severe, i had no idea what i had in invemtory, so i just stripped, dropped everything, and waited until i got killed 12:00 i think it was the fucking ring i picked up in soko 12:00 !lastgame hothraxxa 12:00 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/slex/dumplog/1529885970.slex.txt 12:00 "an above ring" I guess that was a ring of hallucination 12:00 stupid me, i thought if it was in soko on a square marked elbereth, it was probably safe to put on 12:00 not in slex 12:01 i prayed several times 12:01 if it was cursed, it counted as a minor trouble, so it's not guaranteed to become uncursed 12:01 god was pleased as punch, but that was all 12:01 minor trouble, yeah right 12:02 * AmyBSOD\srn also starts playing slex again :) 12:02 !whereis AmyBSOD 12:02 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-us] AmyBSOD is not currently playing on this server. 12:02 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex]: (Kni Orc Mal Neu) T:34921 The Dungeons of Doom level: 35 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:22425 12:19 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:80822 12:20 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 12:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] pincushion (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 14244 points, T:14561, quit 12:23 [hdf-us] [fh] hothraxxa (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 32332 points, T:2372, killed by a giant rat 12:30 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:81050 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "the blessed greased master key of thievery", on T:23097 12:33 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 12:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:24050 12:49 <[Demo][srn]> hmm going out of town for the last few days of jnh 12:49 <[Demo][srn]> Wonder if I'll play 13:00 I'll also be unable to play on the next two days, probably :( 13:00 maybe a little on wednesday, but tomorrow there's no chance 13:00 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:04 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:82056 13:10 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 29796 points, T:1798, killed by a Keystone Kop 13:13 <@rikersan\srn> Chris_ANG: the altar in the inverted ziggurats, who is it to? unaligned to void? dread fracture? other? 13:14 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 13:15 <@rikersan\srn> also, what's "Grants +1d5 to-hit and 2x damage +2d6" mean? (the staff of 12 mirrors from the wiki) 13:15 <[Demo][srn]> A_NONE 13:15 <[Demo][srn]> so unaligned 13:15 <@rikersan\srn> is that 2x damage, which is +2d6? 13:15 <[Demo][srn]> not sure if it gets special name 13:15 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 22651 points, T:1101, killed by a hobbit 13:15 <@rikersan\srn> demo: well, it has one 13:15 <@rikersan\srn> I mean, have you never checked the unaligned nkai altars 13:15 <@rikersan\srn> they are like to the black goat and stuff 13:15 <[Demo][srn]> yes 13:15 <[Demo][srn]> ndnh does the same thing 13:15 <[Demo][srn]> with some void shit i think 13:15 <@rikersan\srn> lol 13:16 <[Demo][srn]> const char *DreadFracture = "the Dread Fracture"; in pray.c so that is probably used for renaming that altar's god 13:16 It's to the Dread Fracture. 13:16 Yup 13:16 <@rikersan\srn> kk cool 13:16 <[Demo][srn]> im inside one of those right now actually but its the iron chest kind 13:16 <@rikersan\srn> also, are all of the random loot things evenly divided? 13:16 <@rikersan\srn> like, 1/4 chance of each of the options for each inclusion? 13:17 <@rikersan\srn> like 1/4 mirror brand 1/4 soulmiror 1/4 silver wand 1/4 khak 13:17 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law), 824827 points, T:82268, crushed to death by a collapsing drawbridge 13:17 <[Demo][srn]> what does smoky violet faceless robe do? 13:17 <[Demo][srn]> jesus christ rip 13:18 And role.c has the minion substitutions, btw. 13:19 <@rikersan\srn> actually yeah, what are faceless robes? 13:19 <@rikersan\srn> I"ve only ever seen white on the cultists 13:19 Dread fracture gets freezing spheres, shades, fallen angels, ancients of ice, shayateen, and ancients of death. 13:19 <@rikersan\srn> do they just give normal robe bonuses? 13:19 <@rikersan\srn> holy fuck 13:19 Reduced robe bonuses. 13:19 <@rikersan\srn> tha'ts overpowered as shit 13:19 <@rikersan\srn> you still haven't fixed ancients of death tho last I checked 13:19 <[Demo][srn]> I know a couple of them give cold resistance 13:19 <[Demo][srn]> not sure of the details 13:20 Minion lists check difficulty level, and won't go more than 5 levels out-of-depth. 13:20 <@rikersan\srn> so it should never give AoD 13:20 <@rikersan\srn> ever. 13:20 White robes are fairly boring, 13:21 <[Demo][srn]> black and smoky give cold res 13:21 <@rikersan\srn> have you fixed ancients of death tho seriously 13:21 Probably it is impossible, unless maybe you come back on the asc run at level 30 or something. 13:21 I can't replicate the bug. 13:21 white robes give a slight bonus to spellcasting, 13:21 black give that plus cold res, 13:22 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 27449 points, T:1599, killed by a giant ant 13:22 violet give that plus their enchantment bonus to Cha and Con. 13:22 <@rikersan\srn> it's not a 'bug' they're just overpowered as shit 13:22 <@rikersan\srn> harder to kill than demon lords 13:22 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 13:24 <@rikersan\srn> nvm, just tested, you fixed them at some point I think? 13:24 sure? 13:24 <@rikersan\srn> looks like it 13:24 <@rikersan\srn> I can now hit them 13:24 There have been a couple of balance passes. 13:24 Oh that. 13:24 Yeah 13:24 <@rikersan\srn> and it only has 50 hp instead of 200 13:24 <[Demo][srn]> why do amm kameral attack shopkeepers? 13:24 <@rikersan\srn> they're undead 13:25 Yes 13:25 <@rikersan\srn> witnesses are in general iirc 13:25 <@rikersan\srn> also, chris_ang: suggestino for beast mastery 13:25 <@rikersan\srn> each skill level increases the level cap for pets fighting by +5 13:25 <@rikersan\srn> i.e. they'll now attack htings that are higher level than them 13:26 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Client Quit] 13:26 Hm. Maybe not by +5 13:26 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 13:27 <@rikersan\srn> well, then decrease the techincal levels of demon lords 13:27 <@rikersan\srn> I couldn't get my pets to attack them the other day 13:27 <[Demo][srn]> yey a fishing village 13:27 <@rikersan\srn> they'd hit if they were adjacent, but not spells or anything 13:27 <@rikersan\srn> !whereis Demo 13:27 @rikersan\srn: [hdf-us] Demo is not currently playing on this server. 13:27 <@rikersan\srn> is this ndnh? 13:27 <[Demo][srn]> local 13:27 <[Demo][srn]> wizmode 13:27 <@rikersan\srn> nice 13:28 <@rikersan\srn> also, chris: can you use the kam vajra if there's a ara kameral on the level? 13:28 <@rikersan\srn> *kamerel 13:28 Yes 13:28 <@rikersan\srn> hostile or only pet? 13:28 <@rikersan\srn> and how do they "incarnate" 13:28 Any 13:28 <@rikersan\srn> hm ok 13:29 They generate like regular monsters, 13:29 <@rikersan\srn> last thing: what is infinity's mirrored arc? a double lightsaber, so quarterstaff skill? 13:29 <@rikersan\srn> holy crap that sounds overpowered but I have to try an inc wiz with that 13:29 <[Demo][srn]> you cant find it 13:29 <@rikersan\srn> what do you mean? it spawns with a chance, right 13:29 <[Demo][srn]> wanna know the number of wiz incs you would need on average to find it? 13:29 You can't *count* on it. 13:29 <@rikersan\srn> probably 200 13:29 <@rikersan\srn> er, 256 13:30 TROPHY GET! 13:30 <[Demo][srn]> !rn2(40) for a kameral tower 13:30 <@rikersan\srn> yay 13:30 <@rikersan\srn> yeah, and then a 1/4 chance of that rigt 13:30 <[Demo][srn]> so 5 levels of that 13:30 <@rikersan\srn> oh, 1/3 13:30 1/3rd. 13:30 <@rikersan\srn> kk 13:30 <@rikersan\srn> I was close chris ;P 13:30 <@rikersan\srn> btw chris, I really like all that you're doing 13:30 :P 13:30 <@rikersan\srn> 10/10 you do some cool shit man 13:30 <[Demo][srn]> why are there no fish in the fishing village 13:31 <@rikersan\srn> I appreciate you making good interesting additions 13:31 Should be "salted fish" or "dried fish" 13:31 And fish people, don't forget ;) 13:31 <[Demo][srn]> no fish in the sea 13:31 <@rikersan\srn> should spawn with random ; 13:31 <@rikersan\srn> did for me 13:31 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 32380 points, T:2501, killed by a pony 13:31 They are very efficient fish men fishermen? 13:32 <[Demo][srn]> mine has none 13:32 <[Demo][srn]> why is my math wrong 13:32 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 13:32 @rikersan: A double lightsaber, so quarterstaff if in double-blade mode or if that is highest, 13:32 <[Demo][srn]> im getting each game has a 1/24 chance of IMA, thats not right 13:32 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 13:32 a broadsword (I think?) if in single blade mode and that is higher. 13:33 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Client Quit] 13:33 <@rikersan\srn> huh cool 13:33 <@rikersan\srn> demo: that sounds about right 13:33 <@rikersan\srn> tbh 13:33 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 13:33 Is it 5 outlands levels? 13:33 <[Demo][srn]> yes 13:33 <@rikersan\srn> wait no it's only 4 demo 13:33 <[Demo][srn]> wait it might only be 4 13:33 <@rikersan\srn> 5 is the special level, with the maze 13:33 <[Demo][srn]> cause the first one is stores 13:33 4 then 13:34